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| 00:23.24 | shevy | In KDE3 I could use dcop to rename a konsole tab. How can I rename a konsole tab in KDE4? |
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| 00:44.18 | leo_rockway | shevy: if you used dcop before, you could check if you can do it in qdbus now. |
| 00:49.32 | shevy | yeah, with dcop it worked |
| 00:49.48 | shevy | qdbus I dont know, it seems to not like me |
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| 00:51.39 | shevy | qdbus API is so convoluted compared to dcop :( |
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| 00:56.06 | shevy | Ok, seems not possible in KDE4. Thanks. |
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| 05:01.17 | Quorteth | Question. I have my KDE settings set so KDE colors do not propogate to non-KDE applications, but somehow, firefox is picking them up. How can I get firefox to not do this? |
| 05:06.46 | Quorteth | solved. sorry. |
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| 05:30.21 | crocket | I've encountered a virtual desktop bug. |
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| 05:31.02 | crocket | Desktop cube animation doesn't use pager layout but 2x2 layout by default. |
| 05:31.10 | crocket | The pager layout is 1x4. |
| 05:31.19 | Verge | It's because the virtual desktops are broken by default in KDE |
| 05:31.25 | Verge | You have to have the pager plasmoid |
| 05:31.41 | crocket | I have the pager plasmoid |
| 05:31.58 | crocket | at the bottom left cornor of my screen. |
| 05:31.59 | Verge | Have you set it to follow pager layout t hen? |
| 05:32.04 | crocket | yeah |
| 05:32.32 | crocket | It used to work fine, but after upgrading from 4.6.5 to 4.7.1 and downgrading again to 4.6.5, the bug started to exist. |
| 05:32.58 | Verge | Maybe you didn't downgrade all packages |
| 05:33.10 | Verge | But anyways that's not a real bug IMO |
| 05:33.15 | Verge | Just something you caused on yourself |
| 05:33.21 | crocket | hmm.... |
| 05:33.24 | Verge | You should reset settings |
| 05:33.24 | crocket | maybe configuration problem. |
| 05:33.34 | crocket | I removed ~/.kde to no effect. |
| 05:33.53 | Verge | Then I would suggest you haven't downgraded all packages |
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| 05:37.13 | crocket | Verge, A new account doesn't have the bug. |
| 05:37.23 | crocket | I think it's configuration. |
| 05:37.37 | Verge | Everything is under .kde or .kde4 |
| 05:37.45 | crocket | how about .local or .config? |
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| 05:38.58 | Verge | KDE apps store settings under .kde |
| 05:39.07 | crocket | akonadi stores its settings under .local |
| 05:39.16 | crocket | too |
| 05:39.55 | Verge | .config actually |
| 05:40.07 | crocket | .local, too |
| 05:40.09 | Verge | .local is meant for user data |
| 05:40.50 | crocket | I think I shall remove .kde, .local, and .config at once |
| 05:40.57 | Verge | I wouldn't |
| 05:41.03 | Verge | There is no stuff under .config that would affect |
| 05:41.09 | crocket | Just removing .kde only ressurects the bug later. |
| 05:41.18 | crocket | And a new account doesn't have the bug. |
| 05:41.32 | crocket | It suggests that it's not in .kde |
| 05:41.37 | Verge | And you are sure there is no .kde4? |
| 05:41.39 | crocket | no |
| 05:41.47 | Verge | Then be |
| 05:41.56 | crocket | then be? |
| 05:41.59 | Verge | sure |
| 05:42.11 | crocket | I don't understand "then be". |
| 05:42.19 | Verge | then be sure |
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| 05:42.55 | crocket | Verge, http://pastebin.com/mCyZFEKW |
| 05:43.11 | crocket | There is no .kde4 |
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| 05:44.49 | Verge | Did you remove .kde while you were logged in? |
| 05:45.01 | Verge | Then just log out and back in? |
| 05:45.08 | Verge | Because the settings are saved when you log out |
| 05:45.50 | crocket | Verge, I removed .kde when I was logged out. |
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| 05:48.53 | crocket | Verge, Maybe I should enter init level 3. |
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| 05:54.24 | Verge | "init 3" is just not running Xorg |
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| 06:21.33 | crocket | Verge, That means no KDE. |
| 06:21.40 | Verge | yes |
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| 06:38.27 | crocket | Verge, After removing .config, .local, and .kde, the bug has gone. |
| 06:38.36 | crocket | just as I expected. |
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| 06:40.15 | Verge | I'm gonna stick with the opinion that everything resides in .kde and something happened the first time you tried to delete it |
| 06:41.05 | Verge | It's not up to the app to decide where the settings are saved, so there will be no misunderstandings regarding that |
| 06:41.36 | crocket | Verge, Something in .local or .config was wrong. |
| 06:41.48 | crocket | The situation looks that way. |
| 06:42.55 | Verge | There is no stuff affecting KDE under those dirs |
| 06:43.59 | crocket | Verge, Give me a more plausible explanation. |
| 06:44.11 | Verge | That's the best |
| 06:44.30 | crocket | maybe it was an indirect influence. |
| 06:44.55 | Verge | I don't even have an idea what you're trying to say |
| 06:45.23 | Verge | Running an app from another DE like Gedit or Xchat doesn't affect how the KDE subsystem works |
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| 06:46.51 | crocket | Verge, Do you believe that removing .local and .config in addition to .kde solved the problem? |
| 06:46.57 | Verge | no |
| 06:47.08 | crocket | I'm here to solve problems but not to lie. |
| 06:47.24 | crocket | Lying is only a waste of time in this case. |
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| 06:47.45 | crocket | Verge, I removed only .kde at least several times, and the bug didn't go. |
| 06:47.51 | Verge | ok |
| 06:48.43 | crocket | Facts defeat theories. |
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| 06:49.45 | Verge | The fact is KDE saves nothing under those two dirs |
| 06:49.53 | Verge | Therefore there is nothing that would be read from those directories |
| 06:50.01 | cb400f | akonadi would |
| 06:50.20 | crocket | Verge, And the fact is that removing .local and .config solved the problem. |
| 06:50.21 | Verge | Akonadi isn't a KDE app in that sense |
| 06:50.32 | Verge | What I read it is intended to be available to any DE |
| 06:50.41 | Verge | More of a generic solution then |
| 06:51.00 | Verge | crocket: no it's not |
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| 06:51.25 | Verge | It's a fact when you can point to the exact configuration key that caused the bug |
| 06:51.37 | crocket | Verge, Then a miracle happened. |
| 06:52.15 | crocket | Amen |
| 06:53.06 | Verge | It's not a miracle that a bug doesn't trigger in each and every use-case |
| 06:53.18 | cb400f | regardless akonadi affects quite a few kde apps |
| 06:53.19 | crocket | Verge, You're basically saying that if removing .kde 4 times didn't work, removing it for the fifth time worked. |
| 06:53.26 | cb400f | has no idea what the initial problem was |
| 06:54.05 | crocket | You're making a contradiction |
| 06:54.11 | cb400f | also I think the geniuses at "freedesktop.org" decided akonadi was too kool to be a fdo standard |
| 06:54.19 | Verge | No I'm not |
| 06:54.44 | Verge | Maybe you did something differently when re-configuring the desktop after the reset |
| 06:55.20 | crocket | Verge, I followed the same steps |
| 06:55.43 | crocket | I can repeat the same steps over and over. |
| 06:55.54 | Verge | The computer performs thousands and thousands of tasks in between each of your keystrokes |
| 06:56.24 | crocket | Now you're resorting to a mystic element. |
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| 07:33.55 | Mook | assuming I'm logged in on the console (i.e. vt 7), can I, over ssh, somehow trigger a (removable) device to mount? |
| 07:35.06 | Verge | You could just mount it as usual |
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| 07:35.43 | Mook | hmm. true. (though that requires sudo, but I think I can manage that) |
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| 07:43.23 | dandellion_yello | this makes the kmail2 fail on checking the [Gmail] folder |
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| 07:49.09 | RingtailedFox | heya, guys... i'm running mandriva... and i can't seem to download any window decorations |
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| 07:49.15 | RingtailedFox | or configure htem |
| 07:49.26 | annma | RingtailedFox: new install? |
| 07:49.29 | RingtailedFox | yes |
| 07:49.35 | RingtailedFox | plasma workspace will also not activate, either |
| 07:49.47 | bsm | Hi, is there a plasmoid or some other nice mechanism to run bash scripts "on click"? I'm tired of opening a shell and typing my commands. |
| 07:49.49 | RingtailedFox | my system looks like an odd version of windows 95... |
| 07:50.03 | RingtailedFox | i'd like to have those plasma widgets in my control panel... |
| 07:50.07 | RingtailedFox | *taskbar |
| 07:59.18 | annma | RingtailedFox: new user? or did you have previous KDE settings in your home? |
| 07:59.36 | sredna | bsm: you could run them from krunner, if you do not care about the output. Or add them to your menu if you use one. or use a launcher type plasmoid and put them there. |
| 07:59.37 | RingtailedFox | i had previous kde settings, which i saved on an external drive and copied them back |
| 07:59.46 | RingtailedFox | i had dekorator installed, but... now i can't seem to re-install dekorator and its decorations |
| 08:00.36 | bsm | sredna: ah good idea, I think I'll use a folderview. or are there any nicer launchers? |
| 08:01.30 | john192 | mm i asked this in Kopete but it seems a bit dead |
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| 08:01.52 | john192 | from my understanding if you add a facebook account with a XMPP contact you can't tell kopete to just put all your facebook contacts in one group |
| 08:02.05 | john192 | it seems to want to put them in the root of the contact list |
| 08:02.06 | sredna | bsm: i think there are some, "quicklauncher" is one afaik (not using any) |
| 08:02.21 | bsm | thanks sredna |
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| 08:12.58 | RingtailedFox | ok, annma i managed to install dekorator after a struggle |
| 08:13.13 | RingtailedFox | however, dolphin does not have a "sort by" option (like sort files by type, size, and so on) |
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| 08:28.12 | RingtailedFox | why is there no "sort by" ability in Dolphin? |
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| 08:30.42 | Verge | RingtailedFox: There is in the View menu but not it's not available through context menu |
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| 08:38.30 | RingtailedFox | i see |
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| 08:49.12 | kbroulik | why cant they just they justr send it with DHL? they put it in their PackStation if I am not at home, I can fetch it there (10 minutes walk there) and everyone's happy. UPS comes once (typically at a time where everyone else is working â¦), they come a second time and then send it back after the third time |
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| 09:33.09 | yecril71pl | Which software group in KPackageKit contains databases? |
| 09:33.55 | PasNox | hm |
| 09:34.40 | PasNox | i'm using kontact / kdepim 4.7 since many month but today i have a problem, it can't send mails ?? they stay in the local/send folder and don't try to be sent :/ |
| 09:34.43 | PasNox | any hint ? |
| 09:35.12 | annma | did you update something? change settings yesterday? |
| 09:35.15 | yecril71pl | Databases are in Administrative Tools, would you believe that? |
| 09:36.33 | yecril71pl | PasNox: can you send mail from the command line? |
| 09:36.34 | PasNox | annma: no i did not, i did not sent any emails using kontact theses weeks so maybe it come from an update |
| 09:36.51 | PasNox | yecril71pl: dunno i never try and don't know how to do xD |
| 09:36.54 | thiago | yecril71pl: KPackageKit only lists the groups and packages from your system. It doesn't define which ones exist and how they're grouped. |
| 09:37.03 | PasNox | i'm using kmail 2 / kdepim 4.7 and kds sc 4.7.x |
| 09:37.07 | thiago | yecril71pl: you need to ask your distribution for information on how things are ordered. |
| 09:37.31 | annma | PasNox: did you check your settings? |
| 09:37.39 | PasNox | yes i did - seem working fine |
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| 09:37.45 | PasNox | i'm using a gmail account |
| 09:37.55 | annma | did it ever work? |
| 09:38.39 | PasNox | yes it was in the past i use it many times |
| 09:38.42 | PasNox | but not recently |
| 09:39.20 | annma | in the past with the same user settings? |
| 09:39.26 | PasNox | yes |
| 09:39.45 | annma | not changed country? |
| 09:39.59 | PasNox | nop |
| 09:40.19 | annma | do you have debug packages installed? |
| 09:40.21 | PasNox | i tried to change the smtp settigns clicking the button to discover features, it changed SSL / 465 to TLS / 25 |
| 09:40.35 | PasNox | i tried to sent a new mail and it still stay in the to send folder :/ |
| 09:40.47 | PasNox | hm i don't know i installed some |
| 09:40.47 | annma | do you have debug packages installed? |
| 09:40.51 | thiago | PasNox: does it say what happened in a pink box on the email? |
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| 09:41.06 | annma | install them, enable debug areas in kdebugdialog and run kmail from terminal |
| 09:41.38 | PasNox | thiago: nothing once i validate the email, it goes in the local 'to sent' fodler. and stay there, no activity in kontact :/ |
| 09:41.49 | PasNox | annma: ok, i will try |
| 09:41.51 | yecril71pl | <URL: file:///usr/share/doc/packages/mailx/manual.ps.gz > |
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| 09:42.05 | thiago | PasNox: when you click on it, does it say anything? |
| 09:42.38 | PasNox | thiago: nop |
| 09:43.36 | PasNox | i restarted kontact from konsole |
| 09:43.45 | PasNox | and in the waring produced i can see: |
| 09:43.47 | PasNox | pasnox@pasnox-desktop:/var/lib/mldonkey$ kontact(7383)/libakonadi Akonadi::MessageStatus::setStatusFromFlags: Unknown flag: "$MDNSent" |
| 09:43.51 | yecril71pl | PasNox: try using submission instead of smtp |
| 09:44.18 | PasNox | yecril71pl: what's that ? |
| 09:44.23 | thiago | PasNox: I don't think it's related |
| 09:44.31 | PasNox | ok |
| 09:44.46 | yecril71pl | Mail server administrators close SMTP ports nowadays in a lame attempt to prevent spam |
| 09:45.04 | yecril71pl | They expect mail to go througn submission process instead |
| 09:45.21 | yecril71pl | The result is you cannot send mail unless you talk submission |
| 09:45.36 | thiago | ah |
| 09:45.44 | thiago | PasNox: open a shell and telnet to your SMTP server, port 25 |
| 09:45.48 | thiago | does it open? |
| 09:46.12 | PasNox | yecril71pl: gmail does not close smtp server :/ |
| 09:46.15 | PasNox | let me check |
| 09:46.24 | thiago | PasNox: it's not gmail, it's your network |
| 09:46.57 | PasNox | telnet works fine |
| 09:46.59 | PasNox | Connected to googlemail-smtp.l.google.com. |
| 09:47.04 | PasNox | i think it's a problem in akonadi / kmail |
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| 09:47.19 | PasNox | as once i validate the email kontact / kmail does not produce task widget |
| 09:47.20 | thiago | yeah, I think so too |
| 09:47.23 | PasNox | it seem i does nothing |
| 09:47.50 | PasNox | normally once there is activity we can see a progress bar in bottom right |
| 09:47.59 | PasNox | it does not produce these kind of thing now :/ |
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| 09:48.26 | PasNox | ok so i will live with that until it's fixed :) |
| 09:48.36 | PasNox | thank you for help guyz. |
| 09:50.06 | PasNox | yecril71pl: anyway it's my personnal machine and i did not close smtp port, nor known anythin about submission so i think it's not related to my problem |
| 09:50.19 | PasNox | let try to restart akonadi |
| 09:54.02 | PasNox | stopped kontact, stopped akonadi, restarted akonadi, restarted kontact. |
| 09:54.17 | PasNox | the emails to be sent are no longer there :/ dunno if they have been sent or lost xD |
| 09:54.26 | annma | PasNox: you brought me bad luck, I don't receive any mails now |
| 09:54.41 | PasNox | annma:xD |
| 09:55.40 | PasNox | i tried to sent another one, still fails. let forgot this thing and do something better :) |
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| 10:11.59 | RingtailedFox | ok.. i seem to have a small issue with Konqueror now... when i try to visit youtube.com, it says i need version 10 or higher of Flash... that's fine, because installed the most-recent version of flash (11 RC3, x86_64), but it lists flash twice... |
| 10:12.13 | RingtailedFox | flash 11 (libflashplayer.so) and flash 7 (libklashpart.so) |
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| 10:14.54 | RingtailedFox | even if i move libklashpart.so, it still shows up in about:plugins (in k onqueror) |
| 10:15.19 | thiago | scan again |
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| 10:42.55 | lineinthesand | I try to use the networkmanagement plasmoid, but I get the error: could not find requested component: org.kde.networkmanagement. Can anyone give me a hint what I can do to solve this? |
| 10:43.44 | aseigo | lineinthesand: how are you using it? adding it to your panel, or? that message means that it can't load the assoicated plasmoid library .. so a broken install |
| 10:44.14 | lineinthesand | aseigo, I tried adding it to the panel and to the desktop. |
| 10:44.24 | aseigo | how did you install it? |
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| 10:45.41 | lineinthesand | It's strange because I reinstalled the package. The problem is: I had it working already, but then I tried the networkmanagement for the systray section (which crashed when I tried to use it). Now I reinstalled the plasmoid, but it won't work anymore. |
| 10:46.09 | lineinthesand | I installed everything from rpms (opensuse 11.4) |
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| 10:47.22 | sredna | lineinthesand: make sure networkmanager is selected as the "engine for handling network in systemsettings -> hardware -> information sources |
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| 10:48.07 | RingtailedFox | god damnit... nspluginviewer keeps segfaulting when i try to play a youtube clip in konqueror.. |
| 10:48.10 | RingtailedFox | how do i fix that? |
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| 10:48.58 | thiago | keep trying other versions of flash |
| 10:49.12 | RingtailedFox | there's only one 64-bit version of flash out |
| 10:49.16 | thiago | since we don't have the sources and since flash is so buggy, luck is your only weapon |
| 10:49.20 | RingtailedFox | *nods* |
| 10:49.22 | RingtailedFox | and it wasn't doing this earlier... |
| 10:49.29 | thiago | use the 32-bit version |
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| 10:49.36 | RingtailedFox | in a 64-bit browser? would that work? |
| 10:49.37 | thiago | the 64-bit version just plainly doesn't work |
| 10:49.44 | thiago | yes, via nspluginwrapper |
| 10:49.52 | RingtailedFox | why is adobe dragging its feet with 64-bit flash? |
| 10:50.01 | RingtailedFox | do they *want* to be left behind? :P |
| 10:50.21 | thiago | by whom? |
| 10:50.26 | thiago | who's their competition? |
| 10:50.28 | RingtailedFox | by customers |
| 10:50.33 | aseigo | thiago: html5, obviously :) |
| 10:50.36 | RingtailedFox | yes |
| 10:50.43 | RingtailedFox | HTML 5, GIFs, javascript... |
| 10:50.49 | thiago | GIFs? are you kidding? |
| 10:50.57 | aseigo | yeah, i chuckled there too :) |
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| 10:50.59 | thiago | HTML5 is a tide they can't stop. No one can. |
| 10:51.37 | RingtailedFox | i meant for sites that actually use flash for menus |
| 10:51.48 | aseigo | indeed; i do wonder how far that tide will go and which beaches it will cover. to .. you know .. completely take that metaphore too far. |
| 10:51.51 | RingtailedFox | but yes, HTML5 will render flash obsolete |
| 10:52.15 | thiago | HTML5 will also cure cancer |
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| 10:52.50 | RingtailedFox | nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 10:52.52 | RingtailedFox | hmmm |
| 10:52.59 | aseigo | thiago: woah. i don't have cancer .. so it's already working! |
| 10:53.11 | thiago | aseigo: woot! |
| 10:53.29 | yecril71pl | You must not call 64-bit player via wrapper |
| 10:53.42 | thiago | remove the 64-bit player, install the 32-bit one, wrap it |
| 10:54.17 | RingtailedFox | doing so now |
| 10:54.36 | lineinthesand | Ah, got the networkmanagement plasmoid working now. It seems I had installed it from some repo which wasn't compatible. |
| 10:55.54 | RingtailedFox | well, that works |
| 10:56.13 | RingtailedFox | why is the 64-bit version of flash so horribly broken when the 32-bit version works fine? |
| 10:56.45 | thiago | the 32-bit version is also horribly broken |
| 10:56.49 | RingtailedFox | how so? |
| 10:56.52 | thiago | but we've had more time to work around its bugs and kinks |
| 10:56.55 | RingtailedFox | *nods* |
| 10:57.10 | RingtailedFox | so, how do we "fix" flash? just let it die once HTML 5 is finalized? |
| 10:57.15 | thiago | for example, the plugin host can tell the plugin what event loop is used |
| 10:57.21 | thiago | no matter what we tell flash, flash uses glib |
| 10:57.51 | thiago | you wish. HTML 5 finalised will take a long time. And even after that there will be a lot of incompatible implementations. |
| 10:58.59 | RingtailedFox | i'm not so sure about that... yes, it'll be a while, but microsoft seems to want to give at least token support for standards these days |
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| 10:59.16 | thiago | too many companies giving HTML 5 attention |
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| 10:59.29 | thiago | too many with diverging and competing interests pulling in different directions |
| 10:59.42 | RingtailedFox | so, why doesn't the W3C just say "uh, too many cooks are spoiling this soup! let us do our job and we'll say what goes in..." |
| 10:59.58 | thiago | decision by committee? |
| 11:00.25 | RingtailedFox | yes... and it must be unanimous, so dissenters don't end up deciding to support or not support something anyway |
| 11:01.24 | scummos | yes, having something like WebGL work will take ages |
| 11:01.34 | scummos | but maybe we can at least screw flash for playing videos soon |
| 11:01.35 | RingtailedFox | we had VRML since 1995... |
| 11:01.59 | RingtailedFox | couldn't we adapt that for animation? |
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| 11:04.30 | RingtailedFox | hmmm.... are there any open-source skype clients? the normal skype client doesn't load up on my system... and i've tried both static and dynamic versions |
| 11:04.41 | thiago | there aren't any |
| 11:04.45 | RingtailedFox | hmm |
| 11:04.45 | thiago | skype isn't an open protocol |
| 11:04.49 | RingtailedFox | oh, lame |
| 11:05.09 | thiago | I have it running on my new 64-bit system, but it looks ugly |
| 11:05.09 | RingtailedFox | my prediction: within 3 years, skype is discontinued as an independent product, and its features and services are rolled into windows live messenger |
| 11:05.15 | thiago | 32-bit binary but a 64-bit oxygen |
| 11:05.26 | thiago | RingtailedFox: you may be right |
| 11:05.28 | RingtailedFox | sometimes it decides to run, sometimes i tjust sits there, even in konsole, with "skype" on screen |
| 11:05.40 | thiago | RingtailedFox: but then again, why would MS stop receiving the income from other types of devices? |
| 11:05.42 | RingtailedFox | might be? tha's what they've done since 1996 with other web companies |
| 11:06.00 | thiago | pays skypeout for use on Linux and on his N900 |
| 11:06.01 | RingtailedFox | they'd support those devices, but re-brand it as Windows Live 15 or whatever |
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| 11:06.30 | RingtailedFox | i do expect linux support to gradually end, though... microsoft doesn't seem to have a whole lot of love for tux |
| 11:06.46 | thiago | they do seem to have a lot of love for money though |
| 11:06.54 | Zeldas7777 | did you see what the recent news was |
| 11:07.07 | thiago | so it's a business case: how much money to put into developing and maintaining the client vs how much they gain from it |
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| 11:07.32 | RingtailedFox | not every business decision is a logical one... look at commodore... they loved money, but loved screwing their customers even more :P |
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| 11:07.48 | thiago | that's stupid |
| 11:07.50 | RingtailedFox | or a more recent example: every decision by sony since 2005 |
| 11:07.56 | thiago | no company will intentionally destroy itself |
| 11:08.01 | Zeldas7777 | microsoft to form os key signing in order to boot up |
| 11:08.10 | RingtailedFox | zeldas: hm? |
| 11:08.19 | thiago | "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and "don't attribute to malice what can be best explained by ignorance" |
| 11:08.29 | thiago | Zeldas7777: the UEFI secure boot thing |
| 11:08.31 | Zeldas7777 | just a sec getting link |
| 11:08.34 | thiago | MS has denied that they were doing that |
| 11:08.39 | Zeldas7777 | yea thats it |
| 11:08.45 | thiago | and I've heard from people who say that it isn't news |
| 11:08.53 | RingtailedFox | let me guess: no dual-booting allowed? |
| 11:08.54 | thiago | BIOS developers have had that ability for 20 years but never exercised it |
| 11:08.58 | ompaul | thiago: it wasn't intentional, it was just easier for them ... |
| 11:09.31 | thiago | OEMs don't want to lock themselves into MS-only any more than you or I |
| 11:09.32 | Zeldas7777 | no dual boot that i read about |
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| 11:09.43 | thiago | the story was faulty and misleading |
| 11:09.46 | thiago | don't trust everything you read |
| 11:09.54 | RingtailedFox | i don't see boot locking as *ever* happening |
| 11:10.05 | RingtailedFox | microsoft would catch hell for it from customers and probably the department of justice as well... |
| 11:10.12 | RingtailedFox | manufacturers would catch hell for supporting it.. |
| 11:10.26 | Zeldas7777 | and the federal trade commission |
| 11:10.34 | thiago | besides, there are also ways of supporting secure boot *and* Linux |
| 11:10.40 | RingtailedFox | yes, and the SEC, as they'd want to know why microsoft is doing it |
| 11:10.47 | RingtailedFox | yah |
| 11:10.54 | thiago | RingtailedFox: that would be the FTC, not the SEC |
| 11:11.02 | RingtailedFox | *nods* sorry |
| 11:12.27 | Zeldas7777 | i am working on getting rid of m$ at my house |
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| 11:15.09 | Zeldas7777 | i think if someone could advertise linux, linux would get really popular |
| 11:15.24 | thiago | why would end users care? |
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| 11:15.32 | thiago | and what would you advertise? |
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| 11:16.07 | thiago | every system administrator knows about Linux. Linux has over 50% of the market of servers, including web servers. |
| 11:16.21 | thiago | that's one reason why locking the boot sequence would never work |
| 11:16.26 | Zeldas7777 | well lets see linux office vs m$ office save at least 500 bucks per computer |
| 11:16.51 | thiago | Linux is running in close to 50% of the smartphones sold, albeit under the guise of Android |
| 11:17.34 | thiago | Linux use in other electronics is also very common, especially high-end systems |
| 11:17.59 | thiago | smart TVs, set-top-boxes, routers, refrigerators |
| 11:18.15 | Zeldas7777 | printers |
| 11:18.25 | Zeldas7777 | scanners |
| 11:18.25 | thiago | there's little competition from MS except in a few segments (like in-vehicle infotainment or in-flight entertainment systems) |
| 11:19.04 | Zeldas7777 | notice MS get in on the non stable part of the market |
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| 11:19.50 | Zeldas7777 | majority of web servers run by linux |
| 11:20.12 | thiago | the competition on electronics is by specialised OSes, like QNX or Integrity |
| 11:21.20 | Zeldas7777 | u know ms copies linux ideas all the time |
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| 11:23.08 | Zeldas7777 | i think their should be a gpl license that forbid the source code porting to other type of os's |
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| 11:24.04 | thiago | the GPL would never forbid that |
| 11:24.09 | thiago | it goes against what the GPL stands for |
| 11:24.33 | Zeldas7777 | darn sure be nice thou |
| 11:24.43 | ChemBro | why? |
| 11:24.56 | thiago | it is also against what KDE stands for |
| 11:24.59 | thiago | KDE stands for freedom |
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| 11:25.27 | thiago | information freedom, for example, is a reason to have some KDE apps on Windows, so people can use free and open standards and free and open tools |
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| 11:25.55 | Zeldas7777 | that is what it is all about bottom line. but billy boy is greedy |
| 11:26.42 | thiago | we are not about the bottom line |
| 11:26.51 | thiago | so we're not competing by the same rules |
| 11:26.59 | Zeldas7777 | total freedom |
| 11:27.43 | Zeldas7777 | total freedom is the bottom line, the right to choose |
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| 11:28.27 | Zeldas7777 | i guess no figure of speech in here, sorry |
| 11:28.56 | thiago | when you say "bottom line", you usually refer to the bottom line of an Income Statement |
| 11:29.03 | thiago | that is, the Profit/Loss line |
| 11:29.42 | Zeldas7777 | oops wasn't thinking about that |
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| 11:34.31 | Zeldas7777 | well i gotta go configure my desktop everyone have a good day / night / morning |
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| 11:35.48 | yecril71pl | RingtailedFox: if you wish to fix Flash, you may want to contact the Gnash maintainer |
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| 11:36.11 | RingtailedFox | i may |
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| 12:10.09 | radiocalf | Can anyone tell me if anonsvnkde is working. When I try to checkout the following I get a connection reset by peer error: svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/kfingerprint/KFingerManager/ |
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| 12:12.50 | annma | works her, the server you connect to must be overloaded |
| 12:12.54 | annma | here |
| 12:14.17 | radiocalf | I've tried it a couple of times over the past week. Other non kde svn checkouts work so I didn't think it was a firewall issue. Maybe it will work in another week :) |
| 12:16.42 | annma | there's a ay to connect to another server but I don't know how |
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| 12:37.01 | yecril71pl | Selecting a collapsed thread in KMail selects only the first message |
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| 12:37.25 | yecril71pl | That means you cannot do things to the whole thread |
| 12:37.53 | Sho_ | pinotree: do you still have your kde-commits subscription? |
| 12:38.04 | pinotree | why? |
| 12:38.17 | Sho_ | pinotree: did you get a mail for 836b8ecf? |
| 12:38.38 | pinotree | kdev-python? |
| 12:38.42 | Sho_ | yep |
| 12:38.48 | pinotree | gmane shows it |
| 12:38.52 | Sho_ | ah |
| 12:39.00 | Sho_ | lists.k.o is down, so i couldn't check there |
| 12:39.09 | Sho_ | CIA didn't report the commit, was concerned about a hooks problem |
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| 12:41.27 | Sho_ | pinotree: http://cia.vc/stats/project/kde/kdev-python is missing it too |
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| 13:34.55 | Gantrus | does anyone in here farm cocks? |
| 13:37.05 | Sho_ | Gantrus: might be the wrong channel to ask |
| 13:37.28 | Gantrus | as in is anyone in here a cock farmer? |
| 13:37.46 | Sho_ | what's that got to do with KDE? ;) |
| 13:38.37 | mefistofeles | how to farm cocks with KDE |
| 13:40.22 | Gantrus | why are you a cock farmer? |
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| 14:22.50 | apus | hi, i am using kde 4.7.1 and always after login (2-5min after) there is a notification that nepomuk indexing is deactivated and then that it's unavailable ... what could be wrong? |
| 14:23.59 | Gantrus | fuck cocker |
| 14:24.05 | Gantrus | cock fucker |
| 14:24.16 | Gantrus | cunt licker |
| 14:24.28 | Gantrus | arse touger |
| 14:24.34 | Gantrus | tounger |
| 14:24.46 | apus | Gantrus: don't you have homework to do? |
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| 14:27.22 | sredna | apus: could be a problem with virtuoso (do not use 6.1.3), or could be strigi choking. |
| 14:27.58 | apus | sredna: yeah i am running 6.1.3 ... downgrade to 6.1.2? |
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| 14:30.30 | sredna | apus: there is a chance that that may fix it :) |
| 14:30.38 | apus | i'll try thanks ! |
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| 14:38.43 | edgy | Hi, I have two folder called "Local Folders" in kmail, why? |
| 14:38.47 | edgy | and why http://lists.kde.org is not working? |
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| 14:42.59 | Trashi | my goodness. i installed kde 1 hour ago and its so mutch better then gnome2/3/unity ... i cant even remember why i did change to gnome2 one or two years ago ... the functionality of kde is great! the only thing i dislike, is that kde needs more resources... even so! Long live KDE! |
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| 14:46.12 | Mogger | Trashi: that's nice to hear, welcome back to KDE ;) |
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| 14:46.42 | RalfJ | how can I prevent kmix from cotnrolling the sound via pulseaido as soom as that is installed? KDE uses the gstreamer backend, which directly uses ALSA. PA is just installed to make osspd work, I dont want anything else to use it - but KMix insists in doing exactly that, breaking sound control. |
| 14:46.52 | RalfJ | (Im on KDE 4.6) |
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| 14:47.33 | Mogger | Trashi: since it's a new install Strigi might be indexing all your files, which might cause some slugginess |
| 14:49.19 | Trashi | Mogger: thanks ... i noticed strigi right now in my taskbar ... is it indexing all my files automaticly or should i set any special settings to work correctly? |
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| 14:50.15 | Trashi | Mogger: and yes .. its a new install .. so maybe strigi is working in background |
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| 14:51.01 | Mogger | Trashi: it indexes your home directory by default, skipping some files such as *.part. You can customize the options by right clicking -> Configure File Indexing, but personally I find the default options to be good |
| 14:51.18 | Trashi | Mogger: ok thanks! |
| 14:51.27 | Mogger | Trashi: the first indexing will take some time, afterwards it'll mostly index changed files |
| 14:52.33 | Mogger | RalfJ: unfortunately no idea, but here's a wild guess: does it work if you change to the VLC backend? |
| 14:53.02 | RalfJ | Mogger: dont have that installed (anymore), but I could try... it seems thoughh that KMix just ignores the selected backend |
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| 14:54.47 | RalfJ | oops amarok does not like changing the phonon backend while playing, lol^^ |
| 14:55.28 | RalfJ | Mogger: no, does not help |
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| 14:55.41 | Mogger | RalfJ: I'm not very knowledgable about sound in Linux, but AFAIK PulseAudio is inserted "between" ALSA and the audio output device |
| 14:55.55 | RalfJ | PA can be insetrted in various places |
| 14:56.01 | RalfJ | Id prefer it to not be inserted at all ;-) |
| 14:56.22 | Mogger | hm, can't you just make sure that PA is not running? |
| 14:56.42 | RalfJ | it auto-starts all the time :-/ |
| 14:56.47 | RalfJ | only way I found is to uninstall it |
| 14:56.56 | RalfJ | spo each time I need osspd I need to reinstall it... |
| 14:57.50 | Mogger | not sure what causes it to autostart, but have you checked the usual locations? |
| 14:58.03 | RalfJ | its not the init.d thingy |
| 14:58.13 | RalfJ | I think its that dbus auto-start feature, but I dont know |
| 14:58.17 | RalfJ | its startd with my user, not as root |
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| 14:58.58 | RalfJ | oh great https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/286966 |
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| 15:00.03 | Mogger | seems to be fixed though? |
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| 15:00.23 | Mogger | "autostarted via /etc/xdg/autostart/ |
| 15:00.26 | Mogger | " |
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| 15:01.56 | RalfJ | setup seems to be different on debian though |
| 15:01.59 | RalfJ | (Im using debian testing) |
| 15:03.23 | Mogger | in the worst case, can't you just make a script that stops the daemon on login? |
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| 15:03.37 | Mogger | hackish, but should work, no? |
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| 15:04.36 | RalfJ | its not just started on login^^ if I kill it it comes back immediately... |
| 15:04.55 | RalfJ | (usually that classifies as virus for me, but well...) |
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| 15:07.22 | scummos_ | it's fun that 90% of the discussion about pulseaudio seems to be about how to kill it *grin* |
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| 15:07.38 | Mogger | wow, I'm glad I don't have to deal with that stuff... |
| 15:07.51 | RalfJ | scummos_: yeah, I really dont get why some distros even choose it as default |
| 15:08.09 | RalfJ | I mean, all sound problems I experienced in the last year (admittedly, that was just one machine) were solved by uninstalling PA |
| 15:08.25 | RalfJ | the main issue then was to make gnome work without PA :-( (I couldnt make her switch to KDE^^) |
| 15:09.02 | scummos_ | heh |
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| 15:11.11 | Mogger | RalfJ: does this work? pulseaudio --kill |
| 15:11.31 | RalfJ | Mogger: well, its killed. and restarted immediateky. |
| 15:12.13 | RalfJ | yay |
| 15:12.21 | RalfJ | ~/.pulse/clients.conf, add line "autospawn = no" |
| 15:12.25 | RalfJ | than it doesnt respawn |
| 15:12.27 | RalfJ | phew :P |
| 15:13.21 | RalfJ | now I just need to find out how to properly start and stop it manually |
| 15:13.51 | scummos_ | pkill -9 pulseaudio |
| 15:14.06 | scummos_ | xD |
| 15:14.10 | Mogger | RalfJ: just found another thing - do you have /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio-kde.desktop? |
| 15:14.25 | RalfJ | Mogger: yeah... I guess I will remvpoe those, two |
| 15:14.30 | RalfJ | (theres one without -kde as well) |
| 15:14.45 | Mogger | the -kde one seems to be for kde integration |
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| 15:15.09 | Mogger | http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/KDE |
| 15:16.53 | RalfJ | yay, seems like PA works for osspd and KMix uses alsa. :) |
| 15:17.08 | RalfJ | now I just need to script the startup next to the osspd stuff |
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| 15:25.17 | jen22 | hi, I use kde under kubuntu, which is the best way to open with konsole the ssh:// links showed in firefox? |
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| 15:25.55 | RalfJ | Mogger: okay, got it working, thanks a lot! |
| 15:26.13 | Mogger | RalfJ: sweet, np :) |
| 15:28.55 | Mogger | jen22: you can get some inspiration here: http://ernstfamily.ch/jonathan/2008/10/ssh-and-telnet-protocol-handler-for-firefox/ |
| 15:29.53 | Mogger | here's a bash script: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/enable-ssh-host-links-in-firefox-581936/#post2880182 |
| 15:30.30 | Mogger | (obviously you want to replace gnome-terminal with konsole) |
| 15:31.23 | Mogger | btw, as the poster in the last link, I don't understand the security risk with this, so I take no responsibility etc. ;) |
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| 15:33.21 | jen22 | Mogger: yeah, I'm kinda stuck on it actually :) how do you open a new tab, keeping it up ? konsole --new-tab --hold -e "ssh ..." is not the same as open manually the tab, it's not interactive (eg. try con -e "date" and you can't do anything else) |
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| 15:34.52 | next_ghost | hi, I have a problem with KOrganizer. When I set a recurring TODO, the actual start time of the todo as displayed in system tray calendar and used for reminders is set to the due time instead |
| 15:35.24 | next_ghost | this doesn't happen without for non-recurring TODOs |
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| 15:39.46 | praxgen | kde bottom panel takes almost 2 to 3 minutes to show its existence after boot |
| 15:39.53 | praxgen | what could be problem? |
| 15:40.37 | praxgen | everything except bottom panel seems to be working |
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| 15:41.18 | sredna | next_ghost: that sounds like a bug to me :) |
| 15:41.59 | next_ghost | sure does |
| 15:42.14 | sredna | next_ghost: better report it at bugs.kde.org |
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| 15:43.04 | Mogger | jen22: unfortunately I don't know a solution to that |
| 15:43.11 | next_ghost | yeah, except there's a gazillion bugreports for korganizer/kalarm which might already contain the description of this bug |
| 15:43.13 | jen22 | Mogger: ok :( |
| 15:43.16 | Trashi | hi. could someone help me, i try to set another icon for a shortcut in a panel. but i cant find the "choose new icon" dialog?! |
| 15:43.35 | Mogger | jen22: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9488131&postcount=3 sounds like it should work, but it didn't for me |
| 15:43.40 | Mogger | anyway, you can play around with it |
| 15:44.24 | Mogger | if you execute bash it gives you an interative terminal, but I don't know how also run a command/script in it |
| 15:44.24 | jen22 | ok, thanks |
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| 15:44.55 | jen22 | mm...maybe /bin/bash -ci "command" |
| 15:46.39 | Mogger | Trashi: what kind of icon is it? |
| 15:46.59 | Mogger | if it's from the application menu, you probably don't have permission to change the icon |
| 15:47.36 | Mogger | praxgen: that sounds weird. do you get the same problem if you restart plasma-desktop? |
| 15:47.49 | Mogger | praxgen: kquitapp plasma-desktop |
| 15:47.59 | Mogger | praxgen: followed by the command: plasma-desktop |
| 15:48.04 | Trashi | Mogger: well .. its a link to a windows application .. so to an .exe file ... |
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| 15:48.32 | Mogger | Trashi: you can create a desktop file for the application and drag it to the panel |
| 15:48.54 | Mogger | right click in Dolphin -> Create New -> Link to Application... |
| 15:49.07 | praxgen | not getting same symptoms after restarting plasma-desktop |
| 15:49.08 | Trashi | Mogger: i did try! but i cant set an icon for that link also |
| 15:49.13 | Trashi | Mogger: or dont know how |
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| 15:49.35 | Trashi | Mogger: forget it |
| 15:49.44 | Trashi | Mogger: setting a icon for the symlink works |
| 15:49.48 | Trashi | Mogger: thanks for help |
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| 15:50.14 | Mogger | Trashi: np. actually, it's quite confusing as you can't set the icon when you create the link... |
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| 15:50.35 | Mogger | (just noticed that) you can afterwards if you right click -> Properties though |
| 15:51.06 | Trashi | Mogger: jep .. but i got it .. works nice ;) |
| 15:51.12 | Mogger | I would classify this as a bug |
| 15:51.27 | Mogger | would be nice if you could report it if it hasn't been reported already ;) |
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| 15:56.29 | Trashi | Mogger: sure, i will google for an existing bug report. if there isnt one i'll report |
| 15:56.46 | Mogger | Trashi: great, thanks! |
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| 16:26.46 | kbroulik | how can I hide a file? and NOT renaming it (i.e. putting a dot infront of the name) |
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| 16:30.15 | Mogger | kbroulik: afaik you can't |
| 16:30.38 | kbroulik | :( |
| 16:30.44 | RalfJ | kbroulik: you can't. On UNIX, there is no "hidden" property of a file. a file is hidden if and only if it starts with a dot. |
| 16:30.47 | kbroulik | gnome has this .hidden file or so that contains files to be hidden |
| 16:31.02 | RalfJ | that still does not make that file hidden |
| 16:31.22 | RalfJ | maybe nautilus doesnt show it anymore, but thats about it. not to mentuon it breaks UNIX conventions. |
| 16:31.26 | Mogger | kbroulik: what do you want to achieve? |
| 16:31.39 | kbroulik | I want to hide a folder |
| 16:31.41 | kbroulik | on my desktop |
| 16:31.49 | Mogger | oh, that's possible |
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| 16:31.58 | RalfJ | why do you even habe it there if you dont want to see it? |
| 16:32.05 | Mogger | i.e., hide it from Folder View (as RalfJ pointed out, it's not really hidden) |
| 16:32.07 | kbroulik | I have a game (on wine) that saves its savegame to a folder in the $HOME directory and I dont want that directory to be shown all the time |
| 16:32.10 | RalfJ | just move it somewhere else and adjust the links/paths to it |
| 16:32.19 | RalfJ | kbroulik: oh, thats easir actually |
| 16:32.24 | RalfJ | wine has a user profile folder |
| 16:32.31 | RalfJ | its just linked to yourn desktop, home etc. per default |
| 16:32.41 | kbroulik | ah, so it is stored in a different directory then? |
| 16:32.46 | RalfJ | you can remove that link, createing a normal folder there, so its hidden in the wine prefix |
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| 16:32.52 | kbroulik | ah, right :D |
| 16:32.55 | kbroulik | thanks :) |
| 16:32.59 | RalfJ | I would advise you to to use a different wine prefix for each game anyway |
| 16:33.15 | RalfJ | the folder should be ~/.wine/drive_c/users/<username>/Desktop |
| 16:33.32 | RalfJ | just remove the link there, and then cretae an empty folder, and move the game thingy in there |
| 16:33.43 | RalfJ | note though that this menas that wine desktop and Linux desktop are unlinked then |
| 16:33.44 | kbroulik | okay :) or move it to Documents or so, just not the home itself :) |
| 16:33.53 | RalfJ | you can configure that witin the game? |
| 16:34.05 | Mogger | ^ sounds like a better solution, but if you want to hide a file/folder from your desktop (won't affect e.g. Dolphin etc.): right click -> Folder View Settings -> Filter -> Hide Files Matching -> File name pattern |
| 16:34.22 | RalfJ | then why not just move it somewhere else? |
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| 16:35.09 | Mogger | RalfJ: referring to what I wrote? sometimes it's nice to only list e.g. PDF files in your download folder :) |
| 16:35.41 | RalfJ | no, referring to what kbroulik wrote^^ |
| 16:35.49 | kbroulik | Mogger: that is not possible in my use case |
| 16:36.19 | kbroulik | I alrteady configured a filter that it only shows Folders, so I have my Documents, Music, Pictures etc right on the desktop but not all the other stuff in $HOME, and so it is set to "Only show following items" and folders is checked |
| 16:36.29 | kbroulik | or well I could use "Hide following items", reverse selection and enter that pattern |
| 16:36.30 | kbroulik | or so :D |
| 16:37.12 | Mogger | yeah, reverse should work |
| 16:37.37 | Mogger | but as said, moving the folder seems like a better solution |
| 16:37.43 | kbroulik | sad that there is no advanced filtering where you could add various filters at the same time |
| 16:37.45 | Trashi | i noticed kde uses by default a widget called "taskmanager" in a panel. but that widget shows all opened applications. i use 2 monitors and some applications are not on the monitor where the panel is. so the taskmanager shouldnt show them. instead i wish to create a panel on monitor2, which show the open application. is there a way to do that? |
| 16:38.36 | Trashi | sorry |
| 16:38.50 | Trashi | i found the setting in the "taskmanager" settings *hehe* |
| 16:38.59 | Trashi | sometimes its to easy :D |
| 16:40.10 | Mogger | Trashi: there are other task managers on kde-apps.org that you can try if you want more features |
| 16:40.18 | Mogger | personally I use smooth tasks |
| 16:40.59 | Trashi | Mogger: ok .. but there is another question. i didnt try it out, but what happens with the panel on monitor2, if it isnt plugged in and i only use my notebook display? |
| 16:41.18 | Mogger | kbroulik: I find that the filter dialog works for me most of the time. in your case: hide all matching, enter names of folder you want to hide, deselect all file types, select folders |
| 16:41.59 | Mogger | Trashi: haven't tried that |
| 16:42.15 | kbroulik | Trashi: normally it should stay on the laptop display |
| 16:42.25 | kbroulik | but you should make sure the Primary Display is set correctly (i. e. "LVDS1" or so) |
| 16:42.28 | Mogger | I only have one panel, and on my netbook the panel goes to the main display if I plug in another monitor |
| 16:43.07 | kbroulik | make sure to check the Primary Display, then it will stay on your notebook display |
| 16:43.29 | Trashi | hm ok, and do you know a way to avoid that? to hide the panel if the external monitor isnt plugged in |
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| 16:45.57 | Trashi | wow ... kde does that automaticly ... love it ... that was a reeeeaaaaaaaly big issue in gnome ... thanks kde :D |
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| 16:49.59 | ads | After upgrading KDE I have an empty line in konsole on the bottom - how can I get rid of it? |
| 16:50.20 | Mogger | ads: screenshot please? |
| 16:50.27 | Trashi | ads: an empty line? |
| 16:51.15 | ads | Wait ... |
| 16:52.23 | ads | http://base.wars-nicht.de/kde_2011-10-01_01.png |
| 16:52.48 | ads | The empty space on the bottom is new |
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| 16:54.00 | Mogger | have to leave for a while, sorry can't help you ads :/ |
| 16:54.13 | Mogger | you can see if it's the same for a new user |
| 16:54.48 | ads | heck, this profile is in place since kde3 something - I don't want to start over again ;-) |
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| 16:55.54 | khindenburg | ads: what version? |
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| 16:56.28 | ads | Hmm, Ubuntu 11.4 - let me check |
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| 16:56.57 | ads | 4.6.2 it seems |
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| 16:58.14 | khindenburg | ads: if you resize the window, is it still there? could be font related |
| 16:58.33 | ads | yes |
| 17:01.05 | khindenburg | sorry nothing else comes to mind except try another font |
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| 17:04.37 | ads | bbl |
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| 17:48.17 | user_ | . |
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| 17:49.13 | user_ | is not being able to adjust screen brightness in linux a bios issue? |
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| 17:50.01 | Verge | I don't think so |
| 17:50.16 | Verge | Brightness is managed both in kernel level and in desktop environment level |
| 17:50.39 | Verge | usually the problem is one adjust causing a two-step change because of that |
| 17:50.57 | Verge | And I have it too |
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| 18:05.22 | user_ | Verge: any idea what are the necessary configurations on the kernel level for brightness adjustment to work? |
| 18:06.06 | Verge | no |
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| 18:06.20 | Verge | There's some /proc file |
| 18:06.23 | annma | user_: it does nto work with your Fn keys? |
| 18:06.57 | user_ | i thought we now use /sys file? |
| 18:07.18 | user_ | annma: no Fn keys does not work...nor does using the battery applet |
| 18:07.30 | Verge | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.18 | user_ | i tried writing stuff to video0 and video1 but there is no effect |
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| 18:10.58 | PasNox | I just restarted my computer as i was off some hours, and now emails fors fine ... xD |
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| 19:04.21 | delt0r_ | if the task bar at the bottom stops coming up (aka not unhiding) can i fix this without a xorg restart? |
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| 19:06.24 | RalfJ | delt0r_: did you try restarting plasma-desktop? |
| 19:06.59 | delt0r_ | RalfJ: how? sorry... not really a kde expert |
| 19:07.14 | RalfJ | well you need a konsole window fo that, or the krunner (alt+f2 in default config) |
| 19:07.58 | delt0r_ | alt-f2 works |
| 19:08.06 | RalfJ | then type konsole |
| 19:08.10 | RalfJ | to get a console ;-) |
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| 19:08.18 | RalfJ | in the konsole, type something like "killall plasma-desktop && kdeinit4 plasma-desktop &" |
| 19:08.36 | delt0r_ | now i do know my shells and that stuff |
| 19:08.52 | RalfJ | then you can run "exit" in the console windows (dont use the X at the top right, it will close the background process as well) |
| 19:08.52 | RalfJ | :D |
| 19:09.15 | delt0r_ | yea i follow |
| 19:09.20 | delt0r_ | tries it |
| 19:09.57 | delt0r_ | perfect |
| 19:10.08 | delt0r_ | Thanks RalfJ works 100% |
| 19:10.12 | RalfJ | delt0r_: great :) |
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| 19:10.47 | delt0r_ | what is kdeinit4 doing? |
| 19:11.05 | delt0r_ | rather than say just starting plasma-desktop without it? |
| 19:11.17 | thiago | it's kdeinit4_wrapper |
| 19:11.39 | RalfJ | thiago: I always used it that way, dont know where I) read that originally |
| 19:11.44 | delt0r_ | k |
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| 19:11.57 | delt0r_ | thx again |
| 19:11.58 | RalfJ | you can also leave it away, I think |
| 19:12.03 | RalfJ | np :D |
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| 20:08.21 | swerve | i can't get gtk2 apps to use cleanlooks style - it keeps using qtcurve widgets |
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| 20:10.08 | scummos | the only way to get a consistent look between gtk and qt is using a gtk theme and qt-gtk |
| 20:10.16 | scummos | gtk never displays qt styles correctly |
| 20:10.30 | scummos | but qt does a very good job in emulating the gtk ones |
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| 20:12.29 | Sho_ | scummos: you're a bit outdated there :) |
| 20:12.52 | Sho_ | scummos: we release a native GTK+ port of Oxygen these days, which is essentially a pixel-perfect match to the original Qt version |
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| 20:19.12 | scummos | Sho_: I know about oxygen-gtk, but I didn't find it pixel-perfect... maybe that has improved since I last used it, tough |
| 20:19.24 | scummos | to begin with, the size of the buttons is all wrong and all the animations are missing |
| 20:19.34 | scummos | and the menus look very different |
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| 20:21.31 | Sho_ | scummos: It's possible you tried something very different with a similar name that was pixmap-based |
| 20:22.02 | Sho_ | scummos: Make sure you get our actual oxygen-gtk engine :) I assure you the menus look exactly like the Qt ones and al lthe animations are there |
| 20:22.38 | Cast3r | this one? https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/artwork/oxygen-gtk |
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| 20:29.49 | Cast3r | hmm not bad |
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| 20:31.16 | Cast3r | bye bye nimbus |
| 20:32.33 | ads | Ok, is it possible to fetch the current DOM (or the current uris) from konqueror using dbus? |
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| 20:36.23 | scummos | Sho_: oh, okay, maybe. I'll try it out when I get hand on it. |
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| 20:45.29 | Sho_ | Cast3r: yep |
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| 21:34.35 | Hodes | is kde 4,7 optimal for netbooks? |
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| 21:36.29 | shevy | Hodes since when is KDE4 optimal for anything ... ;) |
| 21:38.41 | Hodes | shevy: kk i search a distro/dfe |
| 21:38.43 | Hodes | desl |
| 21:38.55 | Hodes | desktop which is good for my netbook |
| 21:39.05 | shevy | is it a fast netbook? |
| 21:39.15 | shevy | mine is on win 7 ... I hate it :/ |
| 21:41.05 | Hodes | shevy: win 7 starter. it is a samsung nc10 plus jp05 |
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| 21:41.45 | Mogger | Hodes: I use Plasma Desktop on my nc10, works fine for me |
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| 21:42.50 | Hodes | Mogger: k do you use any 3d effects? |
| 21:43.17 | Mogger | Hodes: nope, but I do use desktop effects |
| 21:43.39 | Mogger | present windows, desktop grid, slide etc. |
| 21:43.48 | Hodes | Mogger: what is the difference? |
| 21:44.15 | Mogger | Hodes: I guess those are just 2D, no? not too sure about these things |
| 21:44.50 | Hodes | Mogger: i think it is the same |
| 21:45.38 | Hodes | Mogger: and you have no problems? |
| 21:46.14 | Mogger | Hodes: nope! |
| 21:46.26 | Mogger | even blur works |
| 21:46.40 | Mogger | (which doesn't work on my desktop computer..) |
| 21:47.31 | Hodes | Mogger: yes yes, i read that this is the problem, but it doesn't work very nice, kde i think. |
| 21:47.40 | Mogger | Hodes: ah right. I had a problem with present windows once and had to blacklist my card in a kwin config, but I don't know if you still need to do that |
| 21:49.54 | Mogger | Hodes: btw, I use Arch, which probably is considered pretty lightweight (and optimized for i686) |
| 21:53.07 | Hodes | Mogger: ok thx, i will change somethings and look |
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| 22:24.42 | chetnick | Hello, I can't seem to fix these two problems I'm having on KDE 4.7. http://imgur.com/a/eHZZh |
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| 22:25.18 | chetnick | first one is nopomuk keep throwing these errors, even though it's disabled. It looks like it's still trying to start. |
| 22:25.28 | chetnick | And second one is the calendar font is overlapping. |
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| 22:26.50 | momox | why does the order of the widgets in my panel does not persist when I reboot? |
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| 22:31.04 | sredna | chetnick: the font size can be changed by changing your font settings, but i'm not sure which font is used, could be menu font or general font |
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| 22:32.02 | sredna | chetnick: the nepomuk warnings comes from other applications that use nepomuk, I beieve. You could consider running nepomuk but disable indexing if that causes problems. |
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