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| 01:01.19 | adamfyre | hi, I'm having an issue with kde and lmde |
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| 01:02.23 | adamfyre | kde logs me out when I lock my screen |
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| 01:06.33 | RingtailedFox | adamfyre: that sounds odd.... |
| 01:06.40 | RingtailedFox | i have no idea what could cause that |
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| 01:06.58 | adamfyre | ok |
| 01:07.05 | RingtailedFox | it could also be a distro problem |
| 01:07.39 | adamfyre | there's a bit more to it, I'm on my phone right now, I'll log in with my laptop in a few minutes |
| 01:07.58 | adamfyre | I have 2 accounts, one does it and one doesn't |
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| 01:44.48 | pumafyre | hello |
| 01:45.29 | pumafyre | I'm having an issue with KDE and Linux Mint Debian where I get logged out of my session when my computer suspends. |
| 01:50.58 | pumafyre | anyone ever heard of that? |
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| 01:54.03 | Jucato | pumafyre: as in you are thrown back to the login screen or you are just prompted for your password? |
| 01:54.07 | Jucato | hasn't had that |
| 01:54.39 | pumafyre | back to the login screen |
| 01:54.43 | pumafyre | ok |
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| 01:55.01 | pumafyre | I'm going to create a new user account and configure one thing at a time and see if I can get it to do it too |
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| 01:58.33 | pumafyre | I"m running Debian Mint |
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| 02:04.46 | pumafyre | well heck |
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| 02:30.12 | The_Journey | hi, for some reason the Pager Widget does not work on my KDE 4.7.2 Workspace, I try to add it to my Panel but the Pager widget never appears |
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| 05:55.51 | TpyoQueen | :( |
| 05:55.59 | TpyoQueen | I want it to update every 60 min, not every 1 min. |
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| 06:35.44 | benonsoftware | Hi |
| 06:36.21 | benonsoftware | I am just wondering what ways can I help contribe with a lttle Python knowledge and a lot of HTML? |
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| 07:01.31 | Verge | "Not leaving the channel after fifteen minutes" would have been a viable answer to benonsoft |
| 07:01.51 | dax | they have a short attention span in general :< |
| 07:05.32 | Verge | Contributing without communication doesn't sound like a winner |
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| 08:10.01 | h31 | Hi all. Where I can find source of KDE 4.3? |
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| 08:52.09 | qop | yup only KDE does not recognize these two mouse buttons |
| 08:52.48 | qop | funny though they switch focus when I press them so they are not totally ignored |
| 08:53.07 | qop | KDE just seems to be clueless on what to do with them |
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| 08:53.37 | qop | or more exactly maybe, what they are |
| 08:53.39 | Verge | Qt doesn't fully support additional buttons |
| 08:53.42 | Verge | Only the three main buttons |
| 08:53.58 | Verge | I don't know what kind of hacks Plasma uses, because it supports more buttons |
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| 08:54.11 | qop | the two extra buttons in my deathadder are recognized |
| 08:54.21 | Verge | Where |
| 08:54.22 | Verge | ? |
| 08:54.28 | qop | everywhere |
| 08:54.35 | Verge | no |
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| 08:54.55 | qop | I can bind them normally to shortcuts yes |
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| 08:55.27 | Verge | And I asked where? |
| 08:55.37 | Verge | Apps don't allow binding mouse buttons |
| 08:55.37 | qop | though these are detected as button 4,5 not 8,9 like this one |
| 08:55.58 | qop | EVerywhere means everywhere... |
| 08:56.02 | Verge | no |
| 08:56.10 | Verge | I just said KDE apps do not allow you to bind to mouse buttons |
| 08:56.15 | qop | global shortcuts, non X ttys, applications |
| 08:56.31 | qop | they do |
| 08:56.32 | Verge | So the answer is not "everywhere" |
| 08:56.47 | qop | I have these two buttons bound to navigate okular |
| 08:56.57 | qop | are you confussed man? |
| 08:57.15 | Verge | You are |
| 08:57.32 | Verge | I've told you a number of times there is no way to bind mouse buttons to KDE apps using their native dialogs |
| 08:57.44 | Verge | They only allow configuring keyboards |
| 08:58.03 | Verge | You can however bind a mouse button to a keyboard shortcut |
| 08:58.07 | Verge | But that is different |
| 08:58.09 | qop | death adder buttons are recognized as 4,5 and work every where and I mean EVERY where. this other mouse however have the buttons detected as 8,9 and are KDE have no clue how to interpret them |
| 08:58.22 | Verge | Sure |
| 08:58.22 | qop | Verge: there IS |
| 08:58.29 | Verge | Well I can't find any |
| 08:58.31 | Verge | Screenshot? |
| 08:59.06 | qop | you know what I am here to ask for information no to argue or validate myself with some opinionated useless troll so welcome to my ignore |
| 08:59.19 | Verge | blaa blaa |
| 08:59.22 | Verge | So there is no way |
| 08:59.25 | Verge | Glad to make this clear |
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| 09:11.23 | qop | got it! just needed to enable emulation and set vlues for mapping |
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| 09:13.23 | Verge | Yeah, I told you fifteeh minutes ago |
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| 09:47.02 | qop | oh now that I recall... I'd like to be able to use ascii alt codes in kde.. any reason why they have never been implemented? |
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| 09:47.21 | qop | you know like alt+123 |
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| 09:55.29 | mystica555 | qop: sure its kde and not X entirely? |
| 09:57.20 | qop | mystica555: the alt codes? |
| 09:57.35 | mystica555 | qop: and fwiw, buttons 4/5 are 99% of the time mapped to the 'scroll wheel' thus programs recognise 5 buttons. (to summarize what i think of your argument with the other guy) |
| 09:57.48 | mystica555 | yes the alt codes; afaik the input method in X never supported that like windows does |
| 09:57.59 | mystica555 | but there are other ways; the compose key and third -level shift |
| 09:58.49 | qop | mystica555: this is a tracker no scroll |
| 09:59.29 | mystica555 | well if it has no scroll then yes, buttons that map to other things will still show up as 4/5 |
| 09:59.42 | mystica555 | just saying that a normal '3 button' scroll mouse has buttons 4/5 mapped to 'scroll' |
| 09:59.52 | qop | they are working under kde now as we speak follwing simple xorg mods: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Logitech_Marble_Mouse |
| 09:59.53 | mystica555 | whereas a 5 button mouse without scroll gets 5 buttons |
| 10:00.02 | qop | ah that yes |
| 10:00.40 | qop | mystica555: about those alt codes... I thought the wm handled that |
| 10:00.53 | qop | pity |
| 10:01.03 | mystica555 | im pretty sure its a shared X input method |
| 10:01.06 | mystica555 | i could be wrong.. |
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| 10:01.23 | mystica555 | just i know ive never gotten it working (and really never cared) but i do love the compose key.. |
| 10:02.12 | mystica555 | compose-a-e = æ |
| 10:02.23 | mystica555 | compose ~ N Ñ |
| 10:02.29 | mystica555 | etc |
| 10:04.47 | qop | mystica555: oh that is right, dbus xim and the family |
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| 10:31.50 | pconfig | hello, when i suspend my laptop and wake it up again i can't seem to unlock it anymore. Nothing responds (from KDE) but i can still move the mouse pointer. Is there anything useful i can add to my bugreport? |
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| 10:54.39 | qop | pconfig: you can not unlock means you can not type in the the password prompt? |
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| 10:55.08 | qop | pconfig: or that the desktop returns but keyboard input is not detected |
| 10:55.54 | qop | does ctrl+alt+Fx work? |
| 10:56.07 | qop | using gdm or kdm? |
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| 10:57.56 | qop | ~/.xesssion-errors though would be a good thing to inspect or add to the report |
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| 11:07.07 | pconfig | qop: ctrl + alt +fX works, i use lightdm (ubuntu) but kdm has the same problem |
| 11:08.34 | pconfig | qop: i'll take a look in xsession-errors when it happens again |
| 11:08.35 | pconfig | thanks |
| 11:09.07 | qop | pconfig: just a wild test, try o replace kdm with icewm and see of the problem continues |
| 11:09.32 | qop | so just to know if kdm is the problem or else |
| 11:09.44 | pconfig | when i use gnome it doesn't seem to happen |
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| 11:10.13 | qop | yes but gnome uses another wm |
| 11:10.25 | pconfig | ah, you mean to see if kwin is the problem? |
| 11:10.37 | qop | duh I meant kwin yes |
| 11:10.40 | qop | sorry |
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| 11:10.48 | qop | not kdm |
| 11:11.13 | pconfig | ok, i'll try that in a few minutes going to grab some lunch first, thanks for the advice |
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| 11:15.43 | pinotree | root: don't irc as root! |
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| 11:18.16 | murphi | hi, i'm looking for a tutorial on writing plugins apart from http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Services/Plugins |
| 11:18.33 | murphi | is there any other tutorial on this topic? |
| 11:20.22 | Torch | murphi: try #kde-devel for development questions |
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| 11:21.04 | murphi | thx |
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| 11:25.39 | vsrao | Hey. Where can I find the source code of the comic-viewer widget? |
| 11:25.55 | pinotree | kdeplasma-addons module |
| 11:26.20 | pinotree | vsrao: ↑ |
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| 11:26.43 | vsrao | pinotree: Thanks. |
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| 11:46.36 | dongie | hi |
| 11:46.42 | dongie | i'm having trouble with kded4 |
| 11:46.48 | dongie | it crashes at every startup |
| 11:47.47 | dongie | i got the "KDE Daemon crashed... Exe : kdeinit4 PID : 1669 Signal : Aborted (6)" |
| 11:48.40 | dongie | the only thing i could find as log was this in ~/.xsession-errors : |
| 11:48.54 | dongie | KCrash: Attempting to start /usr/bin/kded4 from kdeinit // KCrash: Application 'kded4' crashing... // KCrash: Attempting to start /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi from kdeinit |
| 11:49.13 | dongie | any idea would be appreciated |
| 11:49.27 | dongie | i found lots of bug reports on this one with no solution.. |
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| 11:52.04 | dongie | anyone ? |
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| 11:56.50 | dongie | halp! |
| 11:56.51 | dongie | glubglub |
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| 12:06.58 | mystica555 | in settings > workspace behavior > screen edges, there is a very short list of actions which I would like to add to if possible. |
| 12:07.28 | mystica555 | i simply want to turn my screen off via DPMS; i don't have a screensaver set, nor do i have it auto lock. however, 'lock screen' does not DPMS-off the monitor, but of course does lock. |
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| 12:10.24 | mystica555 | ideally, adding an action of 'xset dpms force off' would be the easiest way to accomplish what i'm after |
| 12:10.36 | mystica555 | that i know of ofcourse ;) |
| 12:10.37 | dongie | anyone for little bit of help on kded4 crashing on kde startup ? |
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| 12:24.36 | dongie | still nobody for my kded4/kdeinit problem on startup ? |
| 12:25.37 | cb400f | sounds like you should talk to your distro or try a new fresh user |
| 12:25.49 | dongie | <- ? |
| 12:26.52 | dongie | i don't think so, i'm on arch, i found ppl having the very same problem on gentoo, fedora, debian, ... |
| 12:27.11 | dongie | and noone posting a solution ;/ |
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| 12:28.06 | cb400f | well.. try a new user to see if the problem is systemwide |
| 12:28.17 | cb400f | if it is systemwide.. figure out why your installation is broken |
| 12:28.41 | dongie | : D |
| 12:28.48 | dongie | that was helpful :D |
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| 12:42.52 | dongie | so it IS systemwide |
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| 12:43.12 | dongie | i haven't done anything related to kde recently |
| 12:43.19 | dongie | got no clue here .. :X |
| 12:44.36 | Moult | dongie: is it just kded4 or is it any xorg? |
| 12:44.59 | Moult | dongie: my bad, didn't read the full |
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| 13:03.25 | kamilnadeem | Hi |
| 13:03.32 | maazu | lo |
| 13:03.48 | kamilnadeem | I am running the default air theme , the pannel below is looking wierd as it should be transperent . check here: http://i.imgur.com/75q4b.jpg ? |
| 13:03.49 | kamilnadeem | Note I am running Kubuntu 11.10 with KDE 4.7.3 |
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| 13:04.35 | kamilnadeem | guys this happened after the KDE crashed while shutting down previously |
| 13:06.36 | maazu | i'm still with Fedora 12 |
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| 14:38.47 | szal | hmm.. where do I find the address details for POP3 servers again in the KMail (1) config? |
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| 14:45.15 | ompaul | szal: under settings - kmail config - accounts |
| 14:45.55 | szal | ompaul: doesn't help here; I have KMail 2 and that doesn't start up |
| 14:46.29 | szal | ompaul: so I'm setting up Thunderbird & need the POP3 address for one of my accounts from my KMail 1 setup |
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| 16:34.36 | desti_T2 | has kde-4.7.3 a c&p bug? when i copy a passphrase from a file opened with kate and paste it into chromium, the password will be rejected as wrong, when i type the passphrase with the keyboard, it is accepted. had done this for long time and never problems, just started some days ago after updating a lot of stuff |
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| 16:39.56 | bigbrovar | Hi guys, am having an issue with kwallet on kubuntu 11.04. mainly it doesnt seem too allow applications to connect to it to retrive password details. I would have go to kwallet configuration and delete all application access and then restart before it works (and then stops working on next restart) |
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| 16:44.16 | Torch | bigbrovar: hard to tell, but it would be interesting to have a look at $KDEHOME/share/config/kwalletrc when it's not working |
| 16:44.38 | bigbrovar | Torch: thanks I will do that |
| 16:45.00 | Torch | bigbrovar: that should be a short file that among other things lists all apps that are automatically allowed or denied access |
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| 16:49.37 | bigbrovar | Torch: the problem is when I start applications that rely on kwallet, for some reason kwallet doesn't start properly (the passwd database is empty when I start kwallet manager) and I would have to go to the config and delete all previously approved application restart before it start to work again |
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| 16:53.32 | bigbrovar | the issues am having is similar to that in this bug report https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283965 |
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| 16:56.56 | Urchin | why is Ctrl+s suspending output in konsole? |
| 16:57.45 | Torch | Urchin: it's always been that way in terminals. you can, however, disable the feature in konsole's settings iirc. |
| 16:58.18 | Gentle | ctrl-s stops output so you can read what is currently on screen, ctrl-q resumes output, that's how any terminal worked for the last 40 or so years |
| 16:58.36 | pinotree | that's called flow control |
| 16:59.29 | Urchin | I haven't encoutnered it in older versions of konsole |
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| 16:59.37 | Urchin | it clashes with jed shortcuts |
| 16:59.40 | bigbrovar | so killing kwalletd seems to fix my problem and I did not have to restart. This seems to be a bug with kwallet :/ |
| 16:59.48 | Torch | Urchin: just turn it off in the konsole settings then |
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| 17:00.03 | Torch | Urchin: no sane terminal app would use ctrl+q and ctrl+s as a short cut, i think ;-) |
| 17:00.43 | Urchin | it's emacs based |
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| 17:00.52 | Urchin | or at least the shortcuts are |
| 17:01.40 | Urchin | I just switched to kde4 |
| 17:04.53 | Urchin | I can't find any option to do that |
| 17:05.03 | MaximLevitsky | Urchin: welcome to true freedom |
| 17:05.35 | MaximLevitsky | folks, is there a way to rearrange tabs when using kwin's tab feature? |
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| 17:07.17 | MaximLevitsky | found it, middle button drag |
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| 17:35.44 | yates | under kde 4.6, ctrl+alt+L invokes the screensaver. how do i remove this shortcut? |
| 17:35.57 | yates | i've looked in the custom, standard, and global shortcuts and i don't see this one |
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| 17:36.23 | yates | locks the screen |
| 17:37.05 | Torch | yates: it's in the global shortcuts |
| 17:37.12 | Torch | yates: under the "run command interface" |
| 17:37.14 | zemo | after install latest kde from git konqueror isnt loading anymore websites like gmail, but if i create a new user it loads fine, so what can be the cause? |
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| 17:39.26 | yates | Torch: got it - thank you. |
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| 17:47.32 | hagabaka | why does ark have to use its built in previewer and not just allow me to open files with one of their associated applications? |
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| 17:50.32 | RingtailedFox | hagabaka: the files are compressed and extracted into a temporary directory |
| 17:50.43 | hagabaka | I know |
| 17:50.45 | RingtailedFox | the normal viewers would probably get confused and think the files are corrupt |
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| 17:51.04 | hagabaka | why? it's extracted into a temporary directory |
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| 17:52.58 | Torch | hagabaka: that's a valid question. probably because ark isn't really very well maintained. or at least that's my impression over the last couple of years. |
| 17:53.01 | hagabaka | also since dolphin can open zip files with zip:/path/to/file.zip, I wish you could just associate it to open zip files |
| 17:53.32 | hagabaka | but when you try to open a zip file with dolphin, it opens it with ark instead |
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| 17:55.07 | hagabaka | Torch, yeah, and I haven't found an alternative KDE archive utility, but I think dolphin should really just handle it |
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| 17:57.06 | hagabaka | it doesn't need to be able to compress files or add files into archives, but I think most people don't use those features much and ark can still do those |
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| 18:30.36 | jza | hi |
| 18:30.52 | jza | whats the name of the app in kde to see the disk utilities |
| 18:30.58 | jza | is a gui for du |
| 18:31.24 | cb400f | maybe you mean filelight |
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| 18:31.35 | cb400f | don't think it's directly using du though |
| 18:34.41 | jza | cb400f: it was a kde system utility |
| 18:35.05 | jza | cb400f: well I want to analyze which folder in my system is using most of the space |
| 18:35.15 | Torch | kdiskfree |
| 18:35.17 | cb400f | yes.. filelight |
| 18:35.23 | Torch | i'm not sure it's still part of KDE though |
| 18:35.25 | jza | Torch: I think that was it |
| 18:35.29 | Torch | it was unmaintained for a while |
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| 18:35.39 | cb400f | filelight is part of kde sc since 4.4 or 4.5 or so |
| 18:35.49 | jza | cb400f: ok will check it out |
| 18:35.50 | cb400f | there's also some konq extension.. don't remember the name |
| 18:35.52 | Torch | cb400f: i'm of course talking about kdiskfree |
| 18:36.46 | BarkingFish | guys, got a possible bug, only i'm not sure it is. |
| 18:36.47 | jza | cb400f: seems is not 4.x ready |
| 18:37.07 | BarkingFish | Has the global shortcut ALT+F2 to bring up krunner been nailed in 4.7.3? |
| 18:37.30 | Torch | BarkingFish: still works for me as it always has |
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| 18:37.50 | Torch | BarkingFish: check your settings in the global keyboard shortcuts |
| 18:38.03 | BarkingFish | Torch, it's not here. It's funny, I saw someone else a day or two back with same problem, they were having to use run command from the K Menu to get it up |
| 18:38.09 | cb400f | jza: are you saying filelight is not kde4 ready? |
| 18:38.12 | BarkingFish | ok, i'll take a look |
| 18:38.17 | cb400f | .. meh.. another 5 minutes wasted |
| 18:38.22 | jza | cb400f: nm is ok |
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| 18:42.49 | BarkingFish | Torch: this is weird. ALT F2 is still set as the global for krunner. but it's not functioning. I'll try setting a custom map up for it and see if it's possibly a busted alt key or something - i did drop my kb yesterday. |
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| 18:43.41 | BarkingFish | yep, my left alt key is busted. I just set krunner to CTRL SHIFT K and it pops up |
| 18:44.20 | BarkingFish | oh well, i wanted a new keyboard anyway :) |
| 18:44.32 | BarkingFish | i have an excuse to buy one now |
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| 18:49.53 | Metaliinuxite | Hello! |
| 18:50.15 | Metaliinuxite | Could someone explain how the change the picture of Favourite? |
| 18:50.20 | Metaliinuxite | I mean, |
| 18:50.58 | Metaliinuxite | When i click on the KDE kickoff application launcher, all my favourites are displayed. |
| 18:51.22 | Metaliinuxite | I would like, for example to change the pic representin firefox... |
| 18:51.29 | Verge | I would like to implement support for KDE's global shortcuts (multimedia keys) in my app |
| 18:51.42 | Verge | What docs should I read to get started? |
| 18:51.53 | Metaliinuxite | ((plPlease and Thanks for answers |
| 18:52.21 | Verge | Metaliinuxite: /usr/share/applications/<your_app>.desktop |
| 18:52.32 | Verge | each app has a .desktop file which defines the icon name |
| 18:52.39 | Metaliinuxite | Thank you Verfe!! |
| 18:52.54 | Metaliinuxite | WTH |
| 18:52.56 | Verge | I suppose the icons are looked for in /usr/share/pixmaps and your theme's directory |
| 18:52.57 | Metaliinuxite | sorry!! |
| 18:53.14 | Metaliinuxite | okay thanks |
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| 19:01.47 | qknight-- | hi. is there a way in kde 4.7.3 to disable the icon hiding in the application bar where usually icons like vlc, volumen control, copy'n'paste and similar things are (not the task bar) |
| 19:02.19 | Verge | Which icon? |
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| 19:03.16 | qknight-- | Verge: right now the 'device notifier' is hidden and i need to click a arrow like icon to display 'hidden' icons |
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| 19:03.46 | Verge | You can set important icons to not be hidden |
| 19:03.58 | Verge | But I don't think you can get rid off of the hidden icons section |
| 19:04.29 | qknight-- | Verge: you know (similar to what there is on windows) http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4sRYJxv-pR0Dg5HBDAbAvcauOC_rSusKFjYoH_JJrYhzNbXLwd7O88A |
| 19:04.33 | qknight-- | sorry didn't find any other link |
| 19:04.52 | Verge | i know |
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| 19:05.45 | qknight-- | Verge: sigh, thanks anyway |
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| 19:15.37 | RandomRoger | Does anyone have any insight into enabling transparency in xchat ? |
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| 19:16.07 | Metaliinuxite | Hey it me again! |
| 19:16.32 | Metaliinuxite | How do I change a .jpe or .jpg file to a .desktop? |
| 19:16.38 | Metaliinuxite | Thanks! |
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| 19:17.11 | cb400f | you want to change an image into a shortcut for running commands... |
| 19:17.27 | Metaliinuxite | Yes |
| 19:17.38 | cb400f | so the command should run whatever is depicted in the image? |
| 19:17.38 | Metaliinuxite | FirefoxThe one of |
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| 19:17.49 | Metaliinuxite | oh no... |
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| 19:18.14 | Metaliinuxite | You know when I click the kickoff launcher, all my favourites are displayed |
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| 21:45.47 | sythe | Hey |
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| 21:46.00 | sythe | How do I move the panel in search & launch view to the bottom? |
| 21:46.10 | sythe | And/or adjust the height |
| 21:47.48 | sythe | Never mind |
| 21:47.50 | sythe | Got it |
| 21:47.54 | sythe | But...not intuitive |
| 21:49.58 | sythe | And...it crashed... |
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| 21:53.02 | sythe | Um |
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| 21:53.23 | sythe | How do I get my minimize button back? |
| 21:53.49 | sythe | And...how can I stop it from hiding the titlebar, when maximized? |
| 21:54.16 | sythe | It kinda annoys me |
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| 22:22.03 | esken | Hi. If you want to help KDE a bit, you might consider to vote for KDE. |
| 22:22.05 | esken | A bank is sponsering associations if they get enough votes. KDE needs some more votes. |
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| 22:22.21 | esken | You can vote here: https://verein.ing-diba.de/sonstiges/10115/kde-ev |
| 22:22.39 | esken | An english explanation can be found on http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2011/10/10/help-kde-e-v-secure-funding-for-a-sprint-with-just-a-few-clicks/ |
| 22:23.27 | esken | Its only 40 hours left until the voting ends. |
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| 22:51.53 | john43_Led | I have a number of programs that start up on the 6 desktops when kde loads, konversation on destop 5, |
| 22:53.26 | john43_Led | dolphin on desktop 2 excetra, unfortunatly this netbook starts them all up on desktop 1, can someone help |
| 22:55.21 | john43_Led | distro is Mageia version 1 kde version 4.6.5 |
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