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| 01:10.05 | zyltoid | how come i can't drag and drop from ark when the desktop is sset to 'folder view' |
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| 01:19.01 | sreich | zyltoid: bug |
| 01:19.27 | zyltoid | sreich: ah, i see |
| 01:19.29 | zyltoid | thanks |
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| 01:19.32 | sreich | Draggor: (a) get an app that works properly |
| 01:19.36 | zyltoid | bug in folder view or ark? |
| 01:19.48 | sreich | folderview, if it works in e.g. dolphin fine |
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| 01:19.59 | sreich | Draggor: or (b) right click window title, custom window rules and force a rule on it |
| 01:20.25 | sreich | benbloom: not so much #kde as it is #kubuntu or even ##linux |
| 01:20.28 | zyltoid | works if i drag and drop from dolphin to desktop. must be ark then |
| 01:20.36 | sreich | zyltoid: no, i meant from ark to dolphin |
| 01:20.43 | zyltoid | oh, that works |
| 01:20.48 | sreich | right, so folderview |
| 01:21.27 | sreich | yecril71pl: about the cd tracks.. |
| 01:21.33 | sreich | you browsed it through e.g. audiocd:// |
| 01:21.36 | sreich | in dolphin |
| 01:21.39 | Draggor | sreich: entering full screen mode does work. I have the same problem with xterm. |
| 01:21.54 | sreich | since there's a kioslave that handles that well and can encode on the fly in a neat way |
| 01:22.06 | sreich | Draggor: again, that's another app that is not a good example |
| 01:22.16 | sreich | it likely has crappy window manager obeying |
| 01:22.27 | sreich | Draggor: reproduce with konsole |
| 01:22.29 | benbloom | good point sreich. thanks |
| 01:23.02 | yecril71pl | but do I have to actually type it? |
| 01:23.13 | sreich | yecril71pl: it should automatically go to it, theoretically |
| 01:23.18 | Draggor | sreich: huh, konsole works fine. This used to not be an issue, but, that was a couple versions ago. |
| 01:23.21 | sreich | if you click on the link in the Places panel |
| 01:23.36 | sreich | Draggor: hm |
| 01:23.44 | yecril71pl | Dolphin shows audio tracks when no data track is present |
| 01:23.52 | sreich | Draggor: you're positive it used to work with a previous version of kde? |
| 01:24.07 | yecril71pl | If it finds a data track, it mounts the data track and the audio tracks are inaccessible |
| 01:24.22 | sreich | hm, never tinkered with data tracks |
| 01:24.29 | sreich | try k3b and what not i guess |
| 01:25.00 | yecril71pl | But there is no CD-TEXT and CDDB does not know the disc |
| 01:25.13 | sreich | what's wrong with that? |
| 01:25.33 | Draggor | sreich: absolutely. Whichever kubuntu 10.04 was running off of. I have the harddrive with the living install, I can throw it back in the laptop. |
| 01:25.41 | yecril71pl | I need CD-TEXT to extract with K3b |
| 01:25.44 | Draggor | sreich: basically I saw it work yesterday before puttin gthe new HD and OS on |
| 01:25.50 | yecril71pl | so I need to write something |
| 01:25.52 | sreich | Draggor: file a bug then, kwin. detail your issue well... |
| 01:26.03 | Draggor | sreich: screenshots inclusive? |
| 01:26.03 | yecril71pl | so I would like to listen to it first |
| 01:26.05 | sreich | yecril71pl: why? |
| 01:26.07 | sreich | Draggor: would help |
| 01:26.19 | Draggor | sreich: Can do. |
| 01:26.33 | yecril71pl | To know what is in the tracks |
| 01:26.37 | sreich | yecril71pl: just use musicbrainz picard to fill in the metadata and naming, if that's the issue |
| 01:26.42 | sreich | if it can, that is |
| 01:26.52 | sreich | back to code |
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| 06:47.36 | Draggor | sreich: bug report submitted |
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| 06:49.26 | vdv | hi all |
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| 06:53.07 | vdv | have a following problem here: when using kde(4.5.5, pretty old, i know), xserver crashes on session logout, closing games (quake, megaglest), but when i'm on xfce xorg is stable and i couldn't reproduce a crash. any ideas, what the reason for crash can be? maybe i have to disable some xorg function which kde uses? |
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| 06:57.06 | RingtailedFox | could be plasma desktop causing issues? |
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| 07:23.26 | vdv | RingtailedFox, is it possible to disable plasma desktop? |
| 07:24.11 | RingtailedFox | i... don't think so |
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| 07:26.36 | vdv | ok, thanks |
| 07:26.40 | apus | hi, since a few days ago dolphin takes a good minute after being opened to ungray the devices listed on the left side and allow for user interaction ... any idea where it may hang? is there some sort of debug mode? |
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| 08:21.50 | Leoneof | hey |
| 08:22.10 | Leoneof | i have this bug!! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/500205 |
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| 08:22.22 | Leoneof | using Debian 6, KDE 4.4.5 |
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| 08:29.18 | Leoneof | maybe i have to download Dolphin the new version? |
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| 08:42.34 | Leoneof | :`( |
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| 08:55.00 | Leoneof | i guess it is a bug in polkit or dolphin, but any hint about how to fix it? |
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| 08:55.40 | The_Ball | All my konqueror instances hang when I try to quit them, strace shows them trying to open "/home/alex/.kde4/share/apps/konqueror/closeditems_saved.lock" |
| 08:56.15 | The_Ball | Waiting long enough (and not allowing kwin to kill it) fixed the problem |
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| 09:36.33 | ychaouche | hello #kde; kwin seems to ignore keyboard shorcuts that include padlock keys |
| 09:37.17 | ychaouche | anyone managed to set keyboard shortcuts in KDE that include pad keys ? (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0) ? |
| 09:38.14 | ychaouche | sorry not padlock numpads |
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| 10:00.55 | ychaouche | mmm, known bug : http://bit.ly/w5tI3m |
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| 10:06.32 | simon1243 | how to specify non-standard vnc port in krdc url? |
| 10:07.35 | pinotree | vnc://server:port |
| 10:07.40 | pinotree | usual url syntax |
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| 10:10.03 | simon1243 | pinotree: thanks - I was trying that but not carefully enough :( |
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| 10:18.20 | Leoneof | ok, it is possible to compile and upgrade kdebase only? |
| 10:18.28 | pinotree | no |
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| 10:19.11 | Leoneof | pinotree: good, i have Debian 6, KDE 4.4.5, dolphin seems to have bug because polkit doesnt work, what i have to do? |
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| 10:19.34 | pinotree | try to configure polkit? |
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| 10:20.45 | pinotree | (or hal, actually, maybe) |
| 10:20.51 | Leoneof | pinotree: no, it's known that kde v4.4.5 has bug with dolpin, no other solution yet |
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| 10:22.04 | Leoneof | pinotree: hal is depreciated in debian. |
| 10:22.29 | pinotree | thanks, i knew that months ago |
| 10:23.00 | Leoneof | pinotree: any hints? :`( |
| 10:23.20 | pinotree | i did above, you just discarded them a priori |
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| 10:24.43 | Leoneof | configure polkit? |
| 10:24.50 | pinotree | and/or hal |
| 10:25.02 | Leoneof | ok, how to configure polkit? |
| 10:25.12 | pinotree | question for #debian |
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| 12:17.59 | _dinsdale | I'm running kde 4.7.4 on arch (stock kde) and I noticed that more often than not activities don't close. The grey icon to start and stop and activity disappears and the activity stays open. |
| 12:18.09 | _dinsdale | kactivitymanagerd is running in the background. |
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| 12:30.11 | qwertz | Hi, deleted my renamed my Desktop-folder. It was a german name. |
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| 12:30.16 | qwertz | How do Iget it back. |
| 12:30.19 | qwertz | ? |
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| 12:31.03 | qwertz | I tried to recreate it with mkdir, but maybe I did not use the correct name. |
| 12:31.22 | qwertz | Does anybody know, where I can find the correct name. |
| 12:31.25 | qwertz | ? |
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| 12:46.40 | ychaouche | qwertz: why do you need the exact name ? |
| 12:48.51 | qwertz | It had a different name in my Installation. |
| 12:49.05 | qwertz | It was not named Desktop as before. |
| 12:49.38 | ychaouche | qwertz: suppose you rename it to foo, what would that change ? |
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| 12:50.25 | qwertz | well I think the new name should be declared to KDE, else |
| 12:50.39 | qwertz | files on it would not be shown |
| 12:50.57 | spider-mario | ? |
| 12:51.45 | spider-mario | plasma’s folder view lets you choose which folder to show |
| 12:51.51 | ychaouche | +1 |
| 12:52.11 | spider-mario | its name only matters to you |
| 12:52.18 | ychaouche | you can just rename it to whatever and then configure plasma's folder view to display that folder. |
| 12:52.47 | qwertz | spider-mario: how do I access plasma's folder view |
| 12:52.48 | qwertz | ? |
| 12:52.53 | spider-mario | you can decide to have no desktop folder or to have several |
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| 12:53.29 | spider-mario | either you already have one and you just have to configure it |
| 12:53.37 | ychaouche | qwertz: can you upload a screenshot of your desktop to imgur.com ? |
| 12:53.57 | spider-mario | or you can add one from “Add widgets” |
| 12:54.46 | qwertz | Sorry, I guess some things are broken, because I cannot select any widget to add .-( |
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| 12:55.27 | qwertz | Even Applications don't show up in the Menu anymore. |
| 12:55.48 | qwertz | and Update hung, so I killed it. |
| 12:56.23 | qwertz | I will restart now and reconnect later. |
| 12:56.32 | qwertz | thanks and cu |
| 12:56.53 | ychaouche | bye |
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| 13:08.33 | qwertz | There is only "View" and "Mouse actions" |
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| 13:12.21 | Gentoochild | I am talking about for example the animation of the popup that comes up when I click on the power management symbol |
| 13:12.31 | Gentoochild | or the storage device list |
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| 13:13.02 | Gentoochild | I already search system settings up and down twice |
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| 13:21.41 | ychaouche | qwertz: can you upload a screenshot of your desktop to imgur.com ? |
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| 13:28.41 | olesalscheider | Hello. Are there any plans to add settings support to phonon-gstreamer (e. g. scaling method, deinterlacing, ...)? |
| 13:30.10 | rdieter_work | olesalscheider: #kde-multimedia would be a better place to ask |
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| 13:30.29 | olesalscheider | rdieter_work: ok, thanks |
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| 13:33.24 | giowck | how to restore the default window/widget size of the kickoff menu? My brother messed it up.. |
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| 13:51.34 | Gentoochild | giowck: just drag one of its corners |
| 13:51.53 | Gentoochild | if you really want _the_ default size back, I guess you'll have to remove the menu and add a new one |
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| 14:07.18 | wmader | Hello, I have removed and re-added my imap accounts in kmail2 and now mails als only partly synced again |
| 14:07.35 | wmader | some folders als empty and in some only parts of the mails are shown |
| 14:07.48 | wmader | is there a way to force akonadi so re-sync all mails |
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| 15:57.06 | mehrab1131 | KDM won't start on my PC. it stucks on splash screen. it shows no errors |
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| 15:58.14 | gdebure | mehrab1131: try looking if there is anything in /var/log/kdm.log |
| 15:59.46 | mehrab1131 | gdebure : it's empty |
| 16:00.36 | gdebure | mehrab1131: what about ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 16:01.39 | mehrab1131 | gdebure : empty too |
| 16:01.53 | gdebure | mehrab1131: strange... |
| 16:02.16 | gdebure | silly question, but are you sure you have write access to your home ? |
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| 16:02.43 | ychaouche | hello #kde |
| 16:02.51 | ychaouche | what application do you suggest me to use to record audio files ? |
| 16:03.08 | ychaouche | I tried krecord but it seems outdated (depends on KDE3 on my distro) |
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| 16:06.20 | rdieter | ychaouche: if you don't insist on something qt/kde, audacity is nice |
| 16:08.35 | ychaouche | rdieter: ok thank you |
| 16:09.28 | ychaouche | rdieter: krecord complains about the sound card : No such file or directory it says. |
| 16:09.52 | BluesKaj | ychaouche, what kind of source ? |
| 16:10.11 | ychaouche | BluesKaj: headset microphone |
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| 16:11.35 | BluesKaj | ychaouche, aplay -l to se your soundcard |
| 16:11.40 | BluesKaj | see |
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| 16:12.06 | muh2000 | hi |
| 16:12.17 | muh2000 | i have an issue, kmail doesnt send emails anymore. |
| 16:12.33 | muh2000 | akonandi whatever resource crashed during startup |
| 16:12.40 | muh2000 | i have no clue how to hanle that |
| 16:12.46 | ychaouche | BluesKaj: http://paste.kde.org/187862/ |
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| 16:15.07 | ychaouche | I think it can't see the soundcard because it tries to open /dev/dsp |
| 16:15.22 | ychaouche | open("/dev/dsp", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
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| 16:15.37 | BluesKaj | ychaouche, sudo modprobe snd_alc888 |
| 16:15.40 | ychaouche | that's from an strace krecord |
| 16:16.12 | ychaouche | not found |
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| 16:17.26 | BluesKaj | ychaouche, type alsmixer in the terminal , make sure your mic ctrls are turned up to at least 90% |
| 16:17.39 | ychaouche | BluesKaj: I did |
| 16:17.53 | mehrab1131 | gdebure : yes, I think |
| 16:17.55 | rdieter | muh2000: try: akonadictl restart , or maybe : akonadictl start (if it's completely dead) |
| 16:18.10 | muh2000 | rdieter: i tried a reboot. |
| 16:18.24 | BluesKaj | ychaouche, also if you run pulseaudio , the ctrls there may need configuring |
| 16:18.37 | rdieter | muh2000: doing it by hand, will give you feedback on your terminal, maybe give a clue what's going wrong |
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| 16:19.09 | ychaouche | BluesKaj: I am tired of trying my microphone through skype, that's why I looked after an audio recording software |
| 16:19.10 | ychaouche | :) |
| 16:19.24 | ychaouche | BluesKaj: how do I know if I use pulseaudio ? |
| 16:19.48 | muh2000 | rdieter: Error during executing query "INSERT INTO CollectionTable (remoteId, remoteRevision, name, parentId, resourceId, cachePolicyInherit) VALUES (:0, :1, :2, :3, :4, :5)" : "Duplicate entry '4-Sent' for key 'CollectionTable_parentAndNameIndex' QMYSQL3: Unable to execute statement" |
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| 16:20.07 | gdebure | mehrab1131: OK, here's something you may try : rename (do not delete) your ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 to something else and try again |
| 16:20.18 | ychaouche | BluesKaj: oh wait, in alsamixer I also need to set the input source (F6 then tab) |
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| 16:20.56 | dyrvere | ychaouche: by your sound being crappy! xD No but seriously. There is a difference in how kmix and phonon settings look for you depending on if you have alsa or pulse |
| 16:21.08 | rdieter | muh2000: there you go. looks like the database is munged somehow. i've a hunch it's not easily fixable. :( |
| 16:21.52 | BluesKaj | ychaouche, system settings>media>phonon |
| 16:22.32 | muh2000 | rdieter: so you are saying i should switch to thunderbird? |
| 16:22.40 | muh2000 | or evolution |
| 16:23.00 | BluesKaj | dyrvere, it's not a sound quality issue , altho i do agree that pulse in the analog mode craps up the audio |
| 16:23.30 | rdieter | muh2000: i've no suggestion, though exploring your options is probably not a bad idea |
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| 16:24.10 | muh2000 | great |
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| 16:24.56 | rdieter | muh2000: if you're willing to try something a little more drastic, you could try deleting the broken database, and start over from scratch |
| 16:25.34 | muh2000 | rdieter: hmmm and what will happen when the db is wiped? |
| 16:25.38 | rdieter | muh2000: ie, rename/delete ~/.local/share/akonadi/ |
| 16:25.47 | rdieter | muh2000: then, akonadictl start |
| 16:25.48 | ychaouche | Yes, how do you test for recording in phonon ? nothing happens when I click test |
| 16:25.57 | ychaouche | after selecting a sound card |
| 16:26.03 | rdieter | muh2000: it's just a cache (more or less) |
| 16:26.23 | rdieter | muh2000: so, it should rebuild itself from your mail sources |
| 16:26.25 | muh2000 | rdieter: is there a way to use kmail and all that stuff without akonadi? |
| 16:26.30 | rdieter | muh2000: no |
| 16:26.38 | mehrab1131 | gdebure : didn't worked |
| 16:27.00 | ychaouche | rdieter: do you know how to capture streams with audacity ? |
| 16:27.03 | muh2000 | i bet kmail and all other stuff would work as expected without that man in the middle... |
| 16:27.13 | ychaouche | rdieter: like capturing what's playing on your desktop |
| 16:27.32 | dyrvere | BluesKaj: Yeah, there's a few things still using old API's that pulse can't get along with yet. |
| 16:27.44 | gdebure | mehrab1131: then something is probably broken in your kde install |
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| 16:28.02 | gdebure | rename back you .kde .kde4 |
| 16:28.20 | rdieter | ychaouche: sorry, i don't know (never tried that), maybe? :) |
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| 16:28.50 | dyrvere | ychaouche: Not sure how it's named, but you set up your input source to be something like what-u-hear / stereo-mix or whatevs. |
| 16:29.07 | ychaouche | dyrvere: ok thanks |
| 16:29.09 | mehrab1131 | gdebure : I,ve updated packages and it asked to reconfigure X (I think) and stop kdm and I answered yes. then this happened |
| 16:29.51 | gdebure | mehrab1131: did you restart after that ? |
| 16:29.58 | muh2000 | hmmmm it is rebuilding |
| 16:30.00 | BluesKaj | ychaouche, is your soundcard working fine otherwise ? I t just won't record from the mic input ? |
| 16:30.14 | ychaouche | BluesKaj: yes I can hear ok |
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| 16:30.20 | ychaouche | BluesKaj: it's just the recording |
| 16:30.24 | muh2000 | rdieter: but it complained about the outgoing mailfolder and lacking permissions |
| 16:30.31 | mehrab1131 | gdebure : yes |
| 16:30.45 | BluesKaj | ok , good to know , that eliminates some steps |
| 16:31.36 | rdieter | muh2000: k, that's further than it got than before. :-/ |
| 16:33.16 | muh2000 | rdieter: ? |
| 16:33.27 | muh2000 | rdieter: anyway all the identities are messed up. |
| 16:33.51 | muh2000 | when will kde-devs learn that it was a bad idea to store all the data in a db.... |
| 16:33.56 | rdieter | identities should be independent of akonadi, odd |
| 16:34.07 | muh2000 | rdieter: __SHOULD___ |
| 16:34.08 | gdebure | mehrab1131: then I'd suggest asking in your distro's channel, as it might be because of this package update |
| 16:34.18 | BluesKaj | ychaouche, this site might be helpful https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto |
| 16:34.22 | rdieter | muh2000: let me repeat, akonadi is a cache, (primary) data is not stored there |
| 16:34.48 | ychaouche | sigh... never trust jack color codes |
| 16:35.04 | ychaouche | plugged in the wrong place |
| 16:35.11 | rdieter | muh2000: seems like kmail is messed up more than just akonadi :( |
| 16:35.22 | mehrab1131 | gdebure : OK, I'm trying there too. thanks anyway |
| 16:37.27 | muh2000 | rdieter: do you understand now my dislike of akonandi and that new fancy way of messing up every feature and function? |
| 16:37.54 | ychaouche | fixed |
| 16:38.05 | ychaouche | thanks for all your support |
| 16:38.11 | muh2000 | looking at my identities... there are configuration settings from up to 3 different identities, except for the one i am looking at. |
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| 16:39.00 | rdieter | muh2000: I'm not judging, and can understand your frustration. if you dislike it so much, use something else then. life is short |
| 16:39.29 | muh2000 | rdieter: i have time on my hands ^^ |
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| 16:41.11 | muh2000 | KDE team, please make a version without akocrappy. there is still not a convincing argument why akonandi makes things better. |
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| 16:42.11 | muh2000 | strange, i dont have a local folder anymore. |
| 16:42.18 | muh2000 | (local mail folder) |
| 16:42.35 | BluesKaj | muh2000, do you want to disable akonadi then ? if so system settings>startup&shutdown>session management> type akonadi in the exclude from sessions box |
| 16:42.51 | rdieter | muh2000: if you want people to listen, please try not to sound like a troll. |
| 16:43.47 | muh2000 | rdieter: i wish i was trolling, because that way, i would have something to laugh about :( |
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| 16:45.59 | muh2000 | kmail1 worked great. pretty much like a boss. |
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| 16:47.13 | muh2000 | all settings are messed up. |
| 16:47.20 | dyrvere | Heh, for me kmail2 works even better than kmail1 did. Crossing fingers it will keep working as good when 4.8 is installed. :p |
| 16:47.59 | muh2000 | dyrvere: i know, i am the perfect bugtester... |
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| 16:50.07 | muh2000 | when ppl say something works great, it usually doesnt work here. when ppl say something works terrible, it usually works great here.... i dont know how that is possible... |
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| 16:55.14 | BluesKaj | muh2000, stop with the nonsense please :) |
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| 16:55.57 | dyrvere | muh2000: where did those packages come from? :D What brand of Linux are you using? |
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| 17:04.05 | muh2000 | dyrvere: both questions: (k)ubuntu |
| 17:07.42 | muh2000 | well i guess i have to clean the db of akonadi. is there a tool where i can look into that db and remove the entries akonandi is complaining about? |
| 17:08.10 | cb400f | any mysql client |
| 17:08.12 | cb400f | I guess |
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| 17:08.33 | muh2000 | cb400f: can you recommend a tool? |
| 17:08.35 | ealexp | hi |
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| 17:08.50 | cb400f | no.. I think I'd recommend nuking the db and starting over |
| 17:08.58 | cb400f | but what do I know |
| 17:09.33 | muh2000 | starting over seems to be the more complicated task :) |
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| 17:10.56 | ray_ | hallo all,, |
| 17:10.58 | ray_ | Mungkin maksud Anda adalah: where do you come from guys |
| 17:10.59 | ray_ | Ketikkan teks atau alamat situs web atau terjemahkan dokumen. |
| 17:11.01 | ray_ | Batal |
| 17:11.02 | ray_ | Inggris |
| 17:11.04 | ray_ | Bahasa Indonesia |
| 17:11.05 | pinotree | englih please |
| 17:11.05 | ray_ | Arab |
| 17:11.07 | ray_ | I have a question about |
| 17:11.32 | ealexp | I have a problem with gtk programs in KDE |
| 17:11.55 | ealexp | their icon sometimes does not appear in the systray |
| 17:12.14 | ealexp | I mean, they are set to show a systray icon |
| 17:12.15 | rdieter | ealexp: what version of kde? |
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| 17:12.30 | ray_ | hallo all,,I have a question about mysql cluster |
| 17:12.33 | ray_ | anyone can help me..? |
| 17:12.45 | ealexp | but in the systray there isn't any icon, just an empty space of an icon size where the program should be, then other icons |
| 17:12.53 | ealexp | rdieter: I'm using KDE 4.7.4 with ArchLinux |
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| 17:14.52 | ray_ | please...anyone can help me...? |
| 17:14.55 | ealexp | rdieter: do you have any idea why it happens? |
| 17:15.14 | rdieter | ealexp: yes, it's a 4.7.4 regression I believe |
| 17:15.24 | rdieter | is looking for bug/commit references |
| 17:15.30 | ealexp | well this bug sometimes happens and sometimes not |
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| 17:18.39 | dyrvere | ealexp: Example of one of those gtk programs that has this behavior? |
| 17:18.49 | ealexp | nm-applet |
| 17:19.02 | ealexp | it's the NetworkManager applet |
| 17:19.04 | rdieter | ealexp: we reverted this commit in fedora to fix it, https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/88068c757ee70298ed4b6dbe078895b8930f5096 |
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| 17:21.26 | ealexp | hmm rdieter, but does the KDE team know that? |
| 17:21.47 | rdieter | ealexp: yes, it's fixed in 4.8, and there won't be any more 4.7 releases |
| 17:21.54 | ealexp | I mean, I have searched for "gtk" in the bug tracker and I didn't found anything related |
| 17:21.58 | ealexp | oh ok |
| 17:22.37 | dyrvere | heh, what's new with the rss feeds btw? All the KDE themed feeds I had fail to load in Kontact/Akregator :p |
| 17:24.03 | muh2000 | j #nblwfew |
| 17:24.06 | muh2000 | damn |
| 17:24.44 | muh2000 | sry |
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| 17:27.13 | rdieter | dyrvere: do you have a feed in particular? for example, planetkde and dot.kde.org is ok for me. |
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| 17:28.22 | dyrvere | planetkde, kde-news and kde-look.org :p |
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| 17:30.06 | rdieter | dunno, planet is ok here with akregator, strange |
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| 17:30.23 | dyrvere | all three report it can't find the channel-files. |
| 17:31.28 | dyrvere | ok, so re-adding planet and restarting the app fixes it. |
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| 17:59.07 | muh2000 | cb400f: nuking the db and starting over doesnt work. |
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| 18:00.28 | muh2000 | kmail seems to be unable to find the proper outbox folder. mail wont be sent. |
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| 18:04.29 | muh2000 | where does kmail safe the settings for the outbox folder? |
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| 18:06.30 | muh2000 | i will donate 10€ to kde.org when kde related software is capable of working without akonandi :) |
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| 18:06.56 | cb400f | most kde software does not use akonadi |
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| 18:08.41 | dyrvere | http://blogs.kde.org/node/4503 |
| 18:08.49 | Acidcore | I have my screensaver disabled and in Power Management under the profile settings I turned off the display dim and screen energy saving but my screen still goes black after a minute or two if I am not moving the mouse. |
| 18:08.53 | Acidcore | How can I stop that? |
| 18:08.53 | muh2000 | cb400f: i am happy to hear that. now all that is left are those that require it :) |
| 18:09.01 | Acidcore | Fedora 16 x86_64, KDE 4.7.4 |
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| 18:10.39 | muh2000 | dyrvere: i am not complaining about "akonandi supposedly storing data". i am complaining about akonandi rendering kmail useless. at least on this end... :( |
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| 18:13.13 | dyrvere | muh2000: I know, but what makes you so sure it is akonadis fault? :) |
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| 18:15.03 | muh2000 | dyrvere: kmail1 no akonandi: all my stuff works great. kmail2 uses akonandi: nothing works as i am used to. |
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| 18:16.03 | BluesKaj | wishes akonadi and nepomuk were optional and not tied to the whole desktop ..I can live without them just fine |
| 18:16.56 | muh2000 | BluesKaj: and netbooks would be a bit faster.... |
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| 18:17.26 | cb400f | BluesKaj: you can avoid akonadi |
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| 18:18.03 | dyrvere | muh2000: Not really right, all kmail2 things work for me. What mail-server is this about? yahoo, hotmail, gmail etc? |
| 18:18.12 | BluesKaj | I do , but I'd like to remove the whole app , not just disable it at startup |
| 18:18.45 | muh2000 | dyrvere: any mailserver. |
| 18:19.10 | cb400f | migrated to kmail2 about 10 days ago and only has minor papercut type issues so far |
| 18:19.13 | muh2000 | dyrvere: but imap/po was not the issue i addressed here today |
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| 18:19.36 | muh2000 | *pop3 |
| 18:20.25 | dyrvere | Well, are your outgoing set up correctly, the password has not been lost by kmail or something or other? |
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| 18:21.45 | muh2000 | dyrvere: i mailed email just fine yesterday.... |
| 18:21.59 | muh2000 | so yeah that stuff was setup correctly. |
| 18:22.20 | muh2000 | trying full cleanup... |
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| 18:23.59 | dyrvere | hm, ahh wait, I remember something messing up kmail-passwords for me once. Can't quite remember what software that broke kwallet so emails could not be sent.. |
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| 18:25.00 | muh2000 | btw. the notifaction that akonandi has been stopped is way too early. because when i do akonadictl stop a few times after that it will take a while till it says "Akonadi" is not running." |
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| 18:25.49 | fabio | nepomuk is annoyng me. i have disabled and disabled notification |
| 18:25.57 | fabio | but he still popup to say that he is not working |
| 18:25.59 | fabio | bug? |
| 18:26.02 | fabio | kde 4.7.2 |
| 18:26.12 | muh2000 | i think this is the most valid reason why akonadi should be a choce and not a must: "Yes, this is a lot of work and should be avoided as much as possible, but it should be done only in the rare case of real database corruption." |
| 18:27.12 | Verge | muh2000: What are they talking about in that quote? |
| 18:27.14 | BluesKaj | muh2000, you can disable akonadi in startup&shutdown |
| 18:27.15 | Verge | and who |
| 18:27.29 | muh2000 | Verge: http://blogs.kde.org/node/4503 |
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| 18:27.48 | muh2000 | BluesKaj: yes, but i cannot use kmail2 when i do that... |
| 18:28.16 | BluesKaj | do you really need kmail , muh2000 ? |
| 18:29.21 | muh2000 | BluesKaj: until the release of kmail2, it was a mail client that fitted my needs best while NOT looking like some sovjet-times building. |
| 18:30.17 | BluesKaj | uhm okaaaay |
| 18:30.37 | BluesKaj | whatever that means muh2000 :) |
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| 18:31.01 | muh2000 | BluesKaj: thunderbird looks like it was made in russia. |
| 18:31.35 | muh2000 | and i dont want to become depressed by using a mail client :) |
| 18:31.50 | muh2000 | kmail1 was nice for the eye :) |
| 18:32.14 | muh2000 | after reading this: http://blogs.kde.org/node/4503 i come to the conclusion: it is flawed by desin. |
| 18:33.14 | muh2000 | sad but true, i guess there is no way around dropping kmail :( |
| 18:33.25 | muh2000 | that pisses me off :( |
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| 18:35.01 | vdv | have a following problem here: when using kde(4.5.5, pretty old, i know), xserver crashes on session logout, closing games (quake, megaglest), but when i'm on xfce xorg is stable and i couldn't reproduce a crash. any ideas, what the reason for crash can be? maybe i have to disable some xorg function which kde uses? |
| 18:35.23 | vdv | think, i've found the reason for crash |
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| 18:36.52 | vdv | if direct rendering in settings->desktop effects-advanced is disabled, then kde crashed no more |
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| 18:37.01 | Fazer2 | hey, I just started using Umbrello, is it possible to make the work area bigger? |
| 18:37.34 | BluesKaj | muh2000, I use gmail and bell.mail sincew my ISP (Bell) contracted their email servers out to hot mail ... since my email server is basically webmail anyway why bother with kmail / kontact |
| 18:38.57 | muh2000 | i hate webmail. |
| 18:39.19 | vdv | but i still want to have direct rendering enabled, any ideas? |
| 18:40.11 | BluesKaj | vdv which graphics card and driver ? |
| 18:41.11 | vdv | intel |
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| 18:41.55 | dyrvere | vdv: Also, KDE is not made by Microsoft or Apple, it's free to upgrade. Just so you know. :) |
| 18:41.57 | BluesKaj | vdv , do, lspci | grep VGA in the terminal |
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| 18:42.54 | vdv | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) |
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| 18:44.14 | vdv | if i don't run games, only crash is on logout |
| 18:44.39 | vdv | i.e. when video mode is exited |
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| 18:45.25 | GustavR | Anyone know about DD? |
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| 18:47.37 | GustavR | I'm trying to make a image file from my iphone HD through SSH. |
| 18:47.47 | GustavR | I'm using this: |
| 18:47.51 | GustavR | ssh root@IP |
| 18:48.08 | GustavR | Then this: |
| 18:48.09 | GustavR | dd if=/dev/disk0 | ssh username@Computer’sIPaddress ‘dd of=iphone-dump.img’ |
| 18:48.49 | GustavR | But the of is always stored in my iphone drive, instead of my computers drive |
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| 18:49.44 | sreich | ##linux |
| 18:49.48 | sreich | nothing to do with kde |
| 18:50.10 | muh2000 | when akonadi is flawed by design (corruption of the db -> hours of reconfiguring) why is there no "export/import" feature for all the settings & email-accounts? |
| 18:50.12 | GustavR | What? The DD? |
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| 18:55.01 | muh2000 | oh my gosh. digital clock uses akonadi.... |
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| 18:55.45 | ozzzy | akonadi is slowly creeping into everything |
| 18:55.58 | muh2000 | worse than apple's policy... |
| 18:56.31 | muh2000 | the intention of the kde-dev might be nice. but... ugh... |
| 18:56.38 | rdieter | muh2000: for displaying events from korganizer (can be disabled) |
| 18:56.49 | admiral0 | muh2000: i think it's a good thing |
| 18:57.08 | admiral0 | tight integration in all DE is a good thing |
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| 18:57.44 | muh2000 | admiral0: maybe, but i havent seen an advantage over not using it. |
| 18:58.04 | admiral0 | krunner searches also emails |
| 18:58.26 | admiral0 | clock is aware of your next appointments |
| 18:58.52 | muh2000 | admiral0: isnt an organizer usually aware of my next $whatever? |
| 18:59.39 | admiral0 | yes, but instead of having organizer running 100% of the time, you only have the backend |
| 18:59.57 | admiral0 | i agree akonadi and nepomuk are not stable enough for me yet |
| 19:00.11 | admiral0 | (i rolled back to mozilla suite) |
| 19:00.22 | muh2000 | what is the advantage of not having organizer running all the time? (besides that organizer wants to be running always somehow...) |
| 19:00.25 | admiral0 | but i really like where it's going |
| 19:00.40 | admiral0 | Ui clutter |
| 19:00.58 | muh2000 | what ui clutter when it is hidden in the traybar? |
| 19:01.00 | admiral0 | RAM usage |
| 19:01.46 | muh2000 | 15mbyte ram when running kde4 shouldnt be an issue. |
| 19:01.54 | admiral0 | on a desktop |
| 19:01.59 | admiral0 | plasma active? |
| 19:02.17 | admiral0 | on a tablet 15Mb is precious |
| 19:02.30 | admiral0 | but most of all |
| 19:02.41 | muh2000 | admiral0: on a tablet i wouldnt want to use kde anyway.... |
| 19:02.46 | admiral0 | this is the right way to do it (tm) |
| 19:02.57 | muh2000 | since the cpu is to slow for akonandi hoging all the cpu time... |
| 19:03.14 | admiral0 | those are bugs |
| 19:03.14 | muh2000 | *too |
| 19:03.17 | admiral0 | report |
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| 19:03.28 | muh2000 | this is not a 100% hoging... |
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| 19:03.45 | muh2000 | a intel atom 270 with one core is simply too slow for kde4. |
| 19:03.54 | admiral0 | not at all |
| 19:04.01 | admiral0 | disable strigi |
| 19:04.20 | admiral0 | and disable desktop effects you don't use |
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| 19:04.31 | admiral0 | disable oxygen animations |
| 19:04.37 | admiral0 | and decoration animations |
| 19:04.46 | admiral0 | system should feel a lot more snappier |
| 19:05.07 | alienBOB | Strip off yer clothes, that should feel a lot lighter too |
| 19:05.10 | admiral0 | i think these things should be put in the userbase somewhere |
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| 19:05.50 | alienBOB | I run KDE 4.7.4 on a 1GB RAM Atom netbook and am very happy with it. Nothing disabled at all |
| 19:05.50 | muh2000 | with akonadi, strigi, virtuoso and the other stuff, nobody knows how they actually enhance the user experience, and which are somewhat required, kde becomes too slow for a netbook. |
| 19:05.54 | admiral0 | alienBOB: i guess you prefer dying instead of stripping clothes when they don't fit |
| 19:06.35 | admiral0 | muh2000: virtuoso -> strigi |
| 19:06.47 | alienBOB | Of course, I run Slackware. Perhaps your distro is built to different specs - the KDE in Slackware is snappy |
| 19:06.54 | admiral0 | strigi= indexed search |
| 19:07.04 | muh2000 | alienBOB: i had to use my intel atom with 2gbyte ram for 2 months..... never again. |
| 19:07.12 | admiral0 | alienBOB: chakra linux is built for KDE |
| 19:08.47 | muh2000 | admiral0: i dont really know what the advantage is, but looking at my desktop and search a file i can see on the desktop and kde not finding it, i guess the advantage is using more cpu time. well for some that is an advantage... :) |
| 19:09.19 | admiral0 | muh2000: lol, for people who are cold in lonely nights |
| 19:09.30 | muh2000 | word :D |
| 19:09.44 | muh2000 | srsly kde4 is the windows visto of the linux world. |
| 19:09.51 | muh2000 | *vista |
| 19:09.52 | admiral0 | anyway, try to disable the things you don't use |
| 19:10.06 | muh2000 | i have 4 digital clocks on my desktop. |
| 19:10.23 | muh2000 | i cant disable akonadi because it uses it... |
| 19:10.26 | admiral0 | O.O for god's sake, why? |
| 19:10.42 | muh2000 | dont ask me, i am only a stupid user.... |
| 19:10.56 | muh2000 | oh wait the 4 clocks? |
| 19:11.00 | admiral0 | yes |
| 19:11.16 | muh2000 | i like to know what time it is somewhere else. i dont want to calculate |
| 19:11.21 | dvratil | muh2000: in the widget settings -> Calendar uncheck "Display Events" - that's the only part using Akonadi so disabling it should stop starting Akonadi |
| 19:11.32 | admiral0 | dvratil++ |
| 19:11.33 | muh2000 | dvratil: thnx :) |
| 19:11.37 | admiral0 | also |
| 19:12.11 | admiral0 | in your place i'd probably use dashboard with separate objects |
| 19:12.43 | cb400f | muh2000: you don't need multiple clocks.. right click clock -> clock settings -> timezones ... select all the timezones you want |
| 19:13.14 | alienBOB | admiral0: if you have to disable most of KDE in order to un it on Chakra, then Chakra is not really a optimized distro |
| 19:13.15 | cb400f | has about 10 timezones in the tooltip so he can check if people go to bed on time all over the world |
| 19:13.20 | muh2000 | cb400f: i just did that - nothing changed |
| 19:13.44 | cb400f | hover the mouse over the clock to trigger the tooltip |
| 19:13.52 | admiral0 | alienBOB: nope. it's my habit to disable things i don't use |
| 19:14.11 | admiral0 | chakra does one of the best packagings of KDE |
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| 19:15.06 | muh2000 | readability suffers when using timezones. hmmmmmmmmmm² |
| 19:17.55 | muh2000 | the kde4 introduced features are like newsletters. opt in is better than opt out :) |
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| 19:19.39 | muh2000 | is struggling with the though whether to try a full cleanup of akonadi or just moving to thunderbird.... |
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| 19:22.56 | muh2000 | since setting up email accounts is so annyoing with kmail..... |
| 19:23.07 | muh2000 | 3 different places to configure 1 account. |
| 19:23.16 | muh2000 | 1. identity. |
| 19:23.21 | muh2000 | 2. imap/pop |
| 19:23.28 | muh2000 | 3. smtp |
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| 19:30.01 | muh2000 | and all the additional hassle with the settings... |
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| 19:30.49 | muh2000 | why the fudge will the default identity and transport be used when i am on the imap of a different identity/transport? doesnt make sense.... |
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| 19:45.29 | christof | moin |
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| 19:48.19 | christof | so I have a couple of issues runnign kde after upgrading kontact to 4.7. apparently the program calling akonadictl start - probably a session handler - has no knowledge of DBUS. so somehow I have to tell it to export the dbus session variables before that. |
| 19:48.23 | christof | How do I do that? |
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| 19:51.38 | KWhat_Work | Why does kate have such a hard time opening a 400 k file? i have 8 gigs of ram and its struggles to edit 400 K ? |
| 19:52.32 | KWhat_Work | is there some "be more useful" setting idk about? |
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| 19:54.27 | KWhat_Work | its like it loads 10k then when i scroll down it loads another 10k but its not just the io wait thats killing it, its like io wait + dick around for a million cycles |
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| 20:05.18 | Torch | KWhat_Work: it loads the whole file at once, which isn't the best strategy for large files. |
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| 20:09.07 | sreich | yeah.. |
| 20:09.30 | sreich | so a 10MiB file being loaded results in that whole 10 MiB being read and stored in ram |
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| 20:22.27 | christof | also if I start akonadi manually I get this: http://pastebin.com/LpGHZuLj |
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| 20:22.45 | christof | the socket does not exist |
| 20:23.00 | christof | so that explains that |
| 20:23.10 | christof | but where do I go from here? |
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| 20:24.35 | Torch | christof: have you seen http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting ? |
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| 20:25.27 | christof | Torch: yes, seen, read but not found a fix. |
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| 20:30.30 | christof | Torch: I will investigate in database logs |
| 20:30.43 | Torch | christof: sounds reasonable |
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| 20:34.24 | jaXvi_ | hello, is it possible to keep kdewallet closed just after being used by an app? |
| 20:34.57 | jaXvi_ | knetworkmanager does in that way, but qhen I use Kopete or choqok kdewallet keeps open |
| 20:35.50 | jaXvi_ | I configured the related options, and it is closed afteer 1 min when last used, but 'd like it to be closed inmediatly |
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| 20:36.36 | Torch | jaXvi_: kopete and choqok probably just leave it open to be able to reconnect if the connection should drop. |
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| 20:39.48 | jaXvi_ | Torch, yes, I take that point but if kdewallet keeps open you can access a lot of information trough it |
| 20:39.55 | jaXvi_ | don't like it :( |
| 20:41.21 | Torch | jaXvi_: you cannot, each application has to authorize to kwallet on its own |
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| 20:41.50 | Torch | jaXvi_: it's not like kwallet is open and then happily spills all it has to everyone who asks |
| 20:41.59 | sreich | hehe |
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| 20:43.54 | jaXvi_ | Torch, if u go to knetworkmanager while kdewallet is open you can see wifi stored passwords for example |
| 20:44.16 | Torch | jaXvi_: yes, because knetworkmanager is authorized to access those. |
| 20:44.27 | Torch | jaXvi_: because it needs them to do its job. |
| 20:45.34 | jaXvi_ | yes, but if kdewallet were closed (as knetworkmanager lets after using it) I would be promted for kdewallet pass (not only auth to use an _already open_ wallet) |
| 20:45.36 | jaXvi_ | :s |
| 20:46.03 | Torch | jaXvi_: and you'd prefer that? |
| 20:46.53 | jaXvi_ | of course, that's the way I expect it to run |
| 20:47.20 | Torch | jaXvi_: so, imagine being in a public place. bad, bad wlan reception... you'd love to not only have crappy network, but also to retype your password every two minutes? |
| 20:47.38 | jaXvi_ | no :( |
| 20:47.56 | Torch | jaXvi_: neither would i. and i guess the knetworkmanager authors thought we would not. |
| 20:48.27 | jaXvi_ | but I prefer to be asked for a pass rather than mantaining my wallet open! |
| 20:48.31 | Torch | jaXvi_: same with kopete... jabber's notoriously bitchy here. i sure wouldn't want to re-open the wallet each time jabber is gone for a couple minutes. |
| 20:48.54 | Torch | jaXvi_: but the open wallet does not mean anything else except an app that you already authorized to get a password can get it again. |
| 20:49.01 | Torch | jaXvi_: i don't see what's supposedly insecure about that. |
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| 20:49.09 | jaXvi_ | Torch, the fact is tha both kopete and choqok runs well with wallet closed! |
| 20:49.34 | jaXvi_ | Torch, open wallet means you can acces data stored in the wallet |
| 20:49.37 | Torch | jaXvi_: as long as they don't need the passwords, i would guess. |
| 20:49.55 | jaXvi_ | Torch, choqok to refresh TL for example |
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| 20:50.10 | Torch | jaXvi_: but maybe we're not talking about the same thing. also, i don't really care all that much about kwallet, it's not an app i work on. |
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| 20:50.44 | jaXvi_ | do you mean develop or use it? |
| 20:50.52 | Torch | develop. i do use it. |
| 20:50.57 | Torch | but with an empty password ;-) |
| 20:51.01 | jaXvi_ | :O |
| 20:51.03 | jaXvi_ | really? |
| 20:51.04 | jaXvi_ | :S |
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| 20:51.32 | BluesKaj | kwallet is clunky and mostly not needed on home pcs IMO ...works pcs are a different story |
| 20:52.10 | jaXvi_ | I mean: knetworkmanager uses it: query for pass + open + connect wifi + closes it |
| 20:52.31 | jaXvi_ | kopete: query for pass + open + connect + keeps it open |
| 20:52.37 | jaXvi_ | same with choqok |
| 20:52.39 | jaXvi_ | :O |
| 20:53.00 | jaXvi_ | if kdewallet is open, anyone in front your desktop can acces stored data |
| 20:53.26 | jaXvi_ | that data type is: passwords, auth token or any other secret stuff |
| 20:54.05 | jaXvi_ | in fact it is not necessary to maintain kdewallet open to kopete or choqok run well |
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| 21:01.51 | sreich | so don't lock your screen? |
| 21:01.58 | sreich | i mean, do |
| 21:02.16 | sreich | they can also access all of your documents, web browser history/passwords,etc. |
| 21:02.52 | jaXvi_ | sreich, i do of course |
| 21:03.09 | sreich | then i don't see how much of an issue it is |
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| 21:04.18 | jaXvi_ | well, I was thinking in a quite "public" or "shared" pc i have to install for e NGO |
| 21:04.51 | sreich | ah, i see |
| 21:05.07 | jaXvi_ | I would like to store a WIFI pass but not everybody looking it |
| 21:05.09 | jaXvi_ | :s |
| 21:05.28 | jaXvi_ | no more no less |
| 21:05.46 | sreich | isn't that the point of multiple users though? |
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| 21:06.15 | sreich | has to go, bbl |
| 21:06.42 | jaXvi_ | but they are differents users each time, and could be a lot and are kids :P curious kids :P |
| 21:09.14 | Torch | sounds like you have way more problems than just kwallet... |
| 21:09.35 | jaXvi_ | :D |
| 21:10.25 | jaXvi_ | ok |
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| 22:10.53 | christof | jaXvi_: wpa_supplicant can do what you want |
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| 22:27.12 | Leoneof | hello, i want to compile kde desktop and its core, i don't want to compile the rest of programs like kwrite, dolphin...etc, any idea? |
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| 22:35.11 | rdieter | Leoneof: then just do up to kde-workspace, don't do kde-baseapps (includes dolphin) or kate (includes kwrite) |
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| 22:35.58 | Pincopall | hi there, someone told me that Qt Necessitas SDK is now a kde project |
| 22:36.15 | Pincopall | so, can I ask here if I have problems with it? |
| 22:37.20 | Leoneof | rdieter: okay, thanks |
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| 22:53.12 | feindbild | hi ^^ |
| 22:53.35 | feindbild | anyone tried compiling the old akonadi-free kdepim against current kde? |
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| 22:57.53 | Torch | Leoneof: what's keeping you from doing just that? kdebase is split up in several subprojets, so that should be possible. |
| 22:58.09 | Torch | ah, sorry... rdieter already answered that one ;-) |
| 22:58.33 | Leoneof | thanks :) |
| 22:59.24 | Leoneof | Torch: what i have to download? i want to build KDE desktop only (don't know how to say but i don't need applications like dolphin kate and others) |
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| 22:59.46 | Torch | Leoneof: how do you plan to get the sources? git or tarballs? |
| 22:59.56 | Leoneof | i prefer tarballs |
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| 23:00.42 | Torch | hmm, let me have a look... have some trouble with my net connection tonight, though. |
| 23:01.00 | Leoneof | okay :) |
| 23:01.43 | Torch | Leoneof: basically, you want the kdelibs tarball and the kde-workspace and the kde-runtime one |
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| 23:02.08 | Leoneof | so that is three files only |
| 23:02.21 | Torch | Leoneof: yes |
| 23:02.36 | Leoneof | Torch: it contains widgets? |
| 23:03.01 | Leoneof | i mean toolbar+clock+start menu? |
| 23:03.04 | Torch | Leoneof: probably a few, yes. can't tell off the top of my head how those are distributed along the packages. |
| 23:03.16 | Torch | Leoneof: yes, i guess |
| 23:03.37 | Leoneof | ok, if i have KDE 4.4.5, it is possible to upgrade with these three files? |
| 23:03.51 | Torch | Leoneof: where's your kde 4.4.5 from? |
| 23:04.03 | Leoneof | Debian installation |
| 23:04.20 | Torch | Leoneof: well... |
| 23:04.35 | Torch | Leoneof: this _might_ get you somewhere, but it's not worth the trouble, i would say |
| 23:05.00 | Torch | Leoneof: managing something like KDE behind the back of your package management system will cause lots of grief |
| 23:05.18 | Leoneof | ouch! |
| 23:05.34 | Leoneof | so what i have to do :/ |
| 23:06.04 | Torch | Leoneof: re-think your choice of distribution... there _must_ be newer packages for debian than 4.4.... are you on stable? |
| 23:06.21 | Leoneof | i'm on stable, debian 6 |
| 23:06.40 | Torch | Leoneof: i'm no debian expert, but many run debian and have a nearly-up-to-date kde installation from packages |
| 23:06.54 | Torch | Leoneof: there is, i think, something like #debian-kde on freenode... the debian users will know. |
| 23:07.06 | Torch | svuorela: that means you. |
| 23:07.16 | Leoneof | they won't upgrade, someone said :[ |
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| 23:08.43 | Leoneof | or i have to use kdesrc |
| 23:10.42 | Torch | Leoneof: i can't in any way comment on what debian does. but people _are_ running nearly-current kde packages on debian |
| 23:10.57 | yecril71pl | How do I play CD-DA track#2? |
| 23:11.10 | yecril71pl | Kaffeine only plays track#1 |
| 23:11.54 | Torch | yecril71pl: cd-da meaning audio cd? |
| 23:11.56 | Leoneof | Torch: i see, thank you ^_^ |
| 23:12.09 | yecril71pl | Audio CD, yes. |
| 23:12.25 | Torch | Leoneof: yw. sorry i couldn't help more precisely. don't try the source code idea, this will cause you endless troubles. |
| 23:12.39 | Torch | yecril71pl: dolphin should do that |
| 23:12.43 | Torch | yecril71pl: or amarok |
| 23:13.20 | yecril71pl | But the hardware notification manager does not offer Amarok, only Kaffeine |
| 23:13.40 | Leoneof | no problem :D |
| 23:13.44 | Torch | yecril71pl: that's a different story altogether. can't you just _run_ amarok yourself? |
| 23:13.56 | Torch | yecril71pl: you don't have to rely on the notifications in your choice of applications |
| 23:14.54 | yecril71pl | So I have Amarok running |
| 23:15.51 | Torch | ... let me see if i can even _find_ an audio cd ;_) |
| 23:15.57 | svuorela | Torch: erm what ? |
| 23:16.00 | yecril71pl | And it says "0 pieces" |
| 23:16.18 | yecril71pl | Amarok does not see the audio tracks at all |
| 23:16.21 | Torch | svuorela: Leoneof was looking for a current kde on debian. |
| 23:16.34 | svuorela | Torch: it's available in unstable and experimental. |
| 23:16.38 | svuorela | and I think he knows that |
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| 23:16.50 | Torch | svuorela: well, as i said i cannot comment on that |
| 23:17.06 | Torch | yecril71pl: you should see the CD under "local music" in amarok |
| 23:17.12 | Torch | yecril71pl: at least i do see mine. |
| 23:17.20 | yecril71pl | I do see the audio CD |
| 23:17.26 | yecril71pl | but there is nothing to play |
| 23:17.31 | yecril71pl | Amarok says 0 |
| 23:17.32 | Torch | yecril71pl: along with id tags and all. very nice. |
| 23:17.47 | yecril71pl | 0 as in ZERO |
| 23:17.55 | yecril71pl | Nothing to play, according to Amarok |
| 23:17.56 | Torch | yecril71pl: zero as in ... what? zero of what? |
| 23:18.01 | Torch | yecril71pl: maybe the CD is broken then? |
| 23:18.05 | Leoneof | svuorela: it is impossible to install experimental KDE to Debian 6 |
| 23:18.15 | yecril71pl | It plays in a stand-alone player |
| 23:18.35 | Torch | yecril71pl: that doesn't mean much nowadays, does it? |
| 23:18.41 | svuorela | Leoneof: yes. |
| 23:18.45 | yecril71pl | cdda-player can play it too |
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| 23:19.05 | Torch | yecril71pl: ok, looks like KDE's audio cd library can't read it. |
| 23:19.37 | Torch | yecril71pl: try a different CD to check if your installation has a problem. |
| 23:19.49 | yecril71pl | Ehem. It seems I was too optimistic. |
| 23:20.05 | Torch | yecril71pl: how so? |
| 23:20.05 | yecril71pl | cdda-player played some of track#1 and stopped |
| 23:20.16 | Torch | yecril71pl: sounds like crappy DRM to me... |
| 23:20.24 | yecril71pl | so Kaffeine is better because it is able to play track#1 whole |
| 23:20.46 | Torch | yecril71pl: try and rip it with cdparanoia's most conservative settings, that usually works. |
| 23:20.52 | Torch | yecril71pl: or just get a torrent... |
| 23:21.03 | yecril71pl | You will not get a torrent for that |
| 23:21.11 | yecril71pl | It is a documentary |
| 23:21.43 | yecril71pl | I would like to rip it with K3b but I would like to get the track names right first |
| 23:21.55 | yecril71pl | and that means I would like to play it first |
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| 23:22.18 | Leoneof | svuorela: is there a way to install latest version of KDE to Debian 6? |
| 23:23.29 | Torch | yecril71pl: rip it with cdparanoia on a shell. safest way.- |
| 23:23.47 | svuorela | Leoneof: no. you need to switch to debian unstable |
| 23:23.47 | Torch | yecril71pl: take care of the ID tags in amarok later. amarok is wonderful for that. |
| 23:23.57 | pinotree | (or testing) |
| 23:24.11 | svuorela | Leoneof: try ask once more. |
| 23:24.15 | Leoneof | how about building from source code? it is worth? |
| 23:24.20 | yecril71pl | Amarok actually damages Flac files attaching ID3 tags to them |
| 23:24.38 | yecril71pl | so it is definitely doubleplusungood |
| 23:24.45 | Torch | yecril71pl: dunno, never had that issue, been using it for years. |
| 23:24.53 | svuorela | Leoneof: you can try that. |
| 23:24.59 | Torch | yecril71pl: using it just right now with flac and modifying id tags |
| 23:25.31 | yecril71pl | The thing is, OGG files have a different metadata format |
| 23:25.56 | yecril71pl | and Amarok infects them with ID3 |
| 23:26.05 | Torch | yecril71pl: there is, i think, no need to discuss container formats, is there? if amarok does not work, it's a bug, but i'm not aware of it. |
| 23:26.11 | yecril71pl | which means pure OGG tools report them as damaged |
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| 23:26.35 | Leoneof | svuorela: i will try kdesrc-build |
| 23:26.39 | christof | so how do I make akonadi start with the correct dbus session? |
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| 23:27.23 | Torch | Leoneof: did i miss something? how did kdesrc get into the picture now? |
| 23:28.25 | Leoneof | Torch: i don't know, i will just run it in terminal :[ |
| 23:28.35 | Torch | Leoneof: nothing wrong with that. |
| 23:28.44 | Torch | Leoneof: it's just that it's a totally different approach... again ;-) |
| 23:28.59 | Leoneof | x_o |
| 23:29.15 | Torch | Leoneof: try it, see if you like it, i wouldn't want to mess with it for everyday desktop work. |
| 23:30.55 | yecril71pl | OK. cdda-player is playing, it was Kaffeine that was blocking the device |
| 23:31.03 | yecril71pl | I had to kill Kaffeine |
| 23:31.03 | Leoneof | ok, it is not worth to burn laptop in compiling for many hours |
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| 23:33.54 | christof | Torch: the problem is that my home is on nfs and mysql databases do not cope well when stored on nfs |
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| 23:34.32 | christof | Torch: now the only three error messages left are about akonadi not bein attached to dbus |
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| 23:35.03 | Torch | christof: IIRC the problem with mysql has always been that it's using sockets and lockfiles and both should not be on NFS, right? |
| 23:35.41 | Torch | christof: but anyway, it's been a couple years since i ran into that and i take it you got mysql running? |
| 23:36.13 | christof | Torch: right - so I am stopping to try to use the "internal" mysql server but I am using the mysql instance installed on the host locally |
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| 23:41.27 | christof | dammit if I tell it to use the host localhost it still tries to use sockets in the nfs |
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| 23:42.26 | Torch | christof: sounds like you need mysql support, not KDE one ;-) |
| 23:44.27 | christof | Torch: I am not sure of that - I need to tell the akonadi kcmshell somehow to use localhost |
| 23:44.36 | christof | and not guess a socket to use |
| 23:44.57 | Torch | christof: probably wiser to edit akonadi's config directly (i'm assuming it has one) |
| 23:45.37 | Torch | goes look. |
| 23:45.43 | Torch | well, that's not too exhaustive either ;-) |
| 23:46.12 | Torch | christof: in $HOME/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc |
| 23:46.24 | Torch | christof: my guess is this is all the GUI exposes as well |
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| 23:46.54 | christof | true but if I delete something in the gui and save then it does not show up in the file |
| 23:46.56 | christof | lovely |
| 23:47.21 | Torch | christof: could be akonadi writes the file on shutdown only. |
| 23:47.24 | Torch | christof: would make sense |
| 23:47.33 | christof | Torch: well it cannot even start... |
| 23:47.41 | Torch | christof: hmmkay |
| 23:47.43 | christof | but yeah I'll try to edit it directly |
| 23:48.03 | Torch | christof: i'm sure how that Options string works is documented somewhere... |
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| 23:50.42 | yecril71pl | KIO::SlaveBasePrivate::verifyState: get() did not call finished() or error()! Please fix the KIO slave. |
| 23:51.02 | yecril71pl | in kio_audiocd(10727)/kio |
| 23:51.15 | Torch | yecril71pl: the audiocd slave isn't maintainted very well, unfortunately. |
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| 23:51.39 | yecril71pl | So the situation is: |
| 23:51.40 | christof | Torch: the trick is to hit "apply" before trying to hit the "start" above. |
| 23:51.48 | yecril71pl | Amarok does not see the CD |
| 23:51.52 | Torch | christof: wow ;-) exciting news ;-)) |
| 23:52.02 | christof | seems like a flaw in the gui |
| 23:52.11 | Torch | christof: might be, sure. |
| 23:52.16 | yecril71pl | Dolphin sees the CD but it does not see anything inside |
| 23:52.45 | Torch | yecril71pl: i can only repeat myself, either there's something wrong with the CD or your installation |
| 23:52.56 | yecril71pl | An attempt to open a track off the CD using the Open dialog hangs the opening application |
| 23:53.11 | Torch | yecril71pl: that might mean _anything_ |
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| 23:53.26 | Torch | yecril71pl: rip it from the shell. saves you lots of time. |
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