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02:08.40hagabakaI uploaded a plugin to kde-files, and it's listed on the website, but I can't see it in the KDE application's "get new ..." dialog. Does it use some kind of API?
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02:18.01Daskreechhagabaka: Try searching for it
02:20.44hagabakanow it showed up, I just needed to wait about 30 minutes
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02:23.42DaskreechYeah a search would probably do it instantly
02:24.36hagabakaoh
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03:46.30AndroidLoverInSFi upgraded to kde 4.8, and now the alt-tab app switcher has big ugly hard to use thumbnails for the apps. how to fix that
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04:00.57DaskreechAndroidLoverInSF: alt+F2 -> switcher
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04:03.19mosnois there a way to make kwallet unlock on X session login, like gnome-keyring does?
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04:11.28AndroidLoverInSFDaskreech, thanks, dont know why it changed and didnt keep old settings
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04:11.45Daskreechmosno: Hmm?
04:13.23dchiltonCan KDEPIM 4.8's addressbook's contacts be set/changed in bulk to a given "DisplayName" format?  e.g., select a bunch, or all, contacts, and switch them all to "Reverse with Comma", or other?  One at a time works, but with 1000's of contacts ...
04:13.41mosnoDaskreech: i seem to recall that i never had to manually unlock gnome keyring. i want an encrypted kwallet but i don't want it prompting me for password. can't it be integrated with kdm/pam so that when i login it is unlocked or something?
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04:14.36DaskreechI ... would suppose so
04:14.52DaskreechI've never looked but that's a reasonable assumption that it can be
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04:29.19SecrisLoving the new KDE 4.8
04:30.51dchiltonSecris: Do you use 4.8's KDEPIM?
04:31.41SecrisI am testing it out using the Kubuntu-backports ppa
04:31.51Secrissorry that's all I really know
04:32.33dchiltonSecris: np.  just curious if autocompletion is working for you.  seems to be busted, atm.  at least for me, and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259949#c44
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04:33.46SecrisAh I see... I have not went through and set everything up yet so I don't know
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04:35.50SecrisI can't help but wonder if I would be better off with KDE on some other distro
04:36.24dchiltonSecris: define "better", i suppose ...
04:36.49bretzelHey guys, Icons Theme `KFaenza` must be absolutely integrated to official KDE Icons !! It is a Wonderful icons theme.
04:38.13SecrisWell I have heard and seen that some DEs are just not as good (losses in performance, bugs that only appear in ubuntu) when using Ubuntu as a base
04:39.34dchiltonSecris: in my experience, there's certainly enuf bugs to go around all of 'em, and upstream as well.  that said, I use openSUSE.  as the distro's (arguably) primary DE, it gets as solid support as can be mustered. ymmv.
04:41.47bretzelme it's  ArhcLinux
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04:42.59SecrisI never had much luck with openSuse.. The first few times I tried to use it I had horrible errors... I thought about trying it out on Arch but a recent update disappeared my wireless drivers
04:43.08mosnois rocking a Sid install, fwiw
04:43.38dchiltonSecris: different strokes.  opensuse 12.1 with KDE 48 is, at last, a different creature.
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04:44.40Secrisdchilton: I don't think it would kill me to give openSuse another try. It has been a couple years since I last tried it
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04:45.08dchiltonSecris: couple of years?  worth at least a LiveCD test drive if that's the case.
04:45.16mosnops. if you're going to bother capitalising, it's "openSUSE" :)
04:46.02o_aAkonadi server is not starting over here, because, for some reason, akonadi_control won't start. Log: http://pastebin.com/SaJLjJi4
04:46.12Secrismosno: Oh sorry thanks for the correction
04:46.19dchiltonmosno: p.p.s i'm not intentionally, and don't particularly care ;-)
04:46.36mosnoat least you didn't write openSuSE :P
04:46.51o_aWhat should I do? I haven't found anything helpful about that in techbase.
04:46.57o_a*userbase
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04:47.20SecrisI try to get in the habit of writing the name properly but it happens
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04:48.30dchiltonSecris: just fyi -> OpeNsusE @ http://software.opensuse.org/121/en
04:48.35gColossusi am using KDE 4.8 and I don't see the speaker icon on the taskbar for adjusting volume anymore
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04:48.45gColossusdoes it belong to kde-meta-utils package group?
04:50.36Secrisdchilton: are you using the standard release I read something about Tumbleweed the other day and was thinking it might be the excuse I was looking for to try openSUSE again
04:51.26gColossusnvm, it's KMIX
04:51.38dchiltonSecris: heh, drop in at #opensuse, and ask about Tumbleweed.  NOT a huge fan club.  personally, I advise against it.
04:52.43dchiltonIt's frequently coined "Troubleweed".  again, ymmv.
04:53.41mosnodchilton: lol
04:53.50mosnodchilton: re. capitalisation
04:54.05mosnoOpAnS00Z
04:54.32Secrisdchilton: Ah well I have asked around about it and gotten a lot of comments about it doesn't work so I guess that isn't surprising
04:54.55dchiltonz's instead of s's, s's instead of z's. mosno must be a 'ferner' .... ;-)
04:55.48dchiltonSecris: 'release' 12.1 with "KR48" repos (for stable KDE 4.8) and additional repos if/as you need them is a good place to start these days.
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04:57.40Secrisdchilton: most of the guys I "work" with say the only good KDE is on Archlinux so I am curious to see how openSUSE fairs
04:58.50dchiltonSecris: again, define "good".  distro choice is just a personal choice. that said, there are many choices in suse-land -> http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories#Upstream_release_aka._KR48_.28KDE_SC_4.8.29
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05:02.59Secrisdchilton: fair enough good really is a matter of perspective the guys I deal with maintain a fork of Fedora modified for netbooks so that may be a highly biased opinion
05:05.49SecrisI keep getting this window popping up about a file already exists while using rekonq
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05:07.04SecrisIt says it's trying to overwrite the default fav-icon with the page version
05:07.04pspaceWould love if someone can help me out. I've been struggling with Kmail2 manual mail checks. After the first manual mail check, subsequent checks do nothing.
05:07.28dchiltonSecris: heh. perhaps ... ;-)  i simply prefer the pacakging and pkg mgmt technologies of suse-land.  BuildService (https://build.opensuse.org/), SuseStudio (http://susestudio.com/), Zypper (http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Zypper), YaST (http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:YaST), WebYast (http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:WebYaST).
05:07.48dchiltonThey're an acquired taste, and simply life for managing what needs to be managed most ...
05:08.11macozypper's nice
05:08.34macomuch better than having to do yast's "click one thing and wait while it reloads everything" stuff
05:08.44macoalso, more easily scriptable
05:09.21dchiltonmaco: yast does not require one-click ... and as it's the front end for zypper, much is shared 'tween them
05:09.40SecrisI was reading about YaST today the site said it was the best package management system
05:09.41macodchilton: last time i used yast, zypper didnt exist yet
05:09.48dchiltonotoh, PackageKit I can, and do, do without ...
05:09.49macoso it wasnt a frontend for zypper
05:10.16dchiltonmaco: was that right before or after the asteroid killed off the dinosaurs ?
05:10.32macosuse 10.x or so :P
05:10.47dchiltonright after, then ...
05:11.18Secrisdchilton: are you using one of the KDE browsers?
05:11.30macoi just remember a system with no repositories, and it reloaded the entire package list after every repository i added, instead of letting me batch add them THEN reload... took ages
05:11.33dchiltonSecris for every Yast bigot, there's an apt-get fanboy ...
05:11.41dchiltonSecris: nope.  Firefox.
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05:12.33dchiltonmaco: heh.  take a look at BuildService.  no shortage of repos -- for opensuse, OR other distros ...
05:12.43macooh yeah, i know about build service
05:12.53macoi just mean the system wasnt configured with any when i got my hands on it
05:13.00macoso then adding a bunch of repos was slooooow
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05:13.27maco(i'm still not sure i believe that system's owner that it was a fresh install. there was too much weird.)
05:14.53dchiltonmaco the current 12.1 installer does a very nice job of dropping you into a fully configured/working system. with KDE &/or GNOME if you so choose.  xfce too, i believe.
05:15.10Secrisdchilton: I have been trying rekonq and I believe it has potential but I have been having trouble with it
05:15.37macodchilton: this was a kde system with compiz installed, but the fglrx driver was installed despite it not supporting the ati card that was installed! my fooling around with repos was to get the open source ati driver
05:15.54macoyast is impossible to use at 2 frames per second, btw
05:16.09macomostly because the gui just plain doesn't work at that framerate. can't open a menu or anything
05:16.38dchiltonmaco: Commodore64's were popular "back then".  time to let it go, and move on.  ;-)
05:16.52macoc64s were not popular in 2007 :P
05:17.06maco(well, except among the crowd that STILL thinks they're popular!)
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05:17.39maco(though the early days of compiz does seem like forever ago now)
05:17.53Secrismaco: not true they have a new version with all new hardware that runs a highly tweaked version of Ubuntu
05:18.26SecrisIt's very blue
05:18.27macoi heard about that, but is it still called a 64?
05:18.34Secrisyup
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05:18.46macoyou'd think they'd rev the version number after 20 years :P
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05:19.50Secrisyou can buy the computer which is designed to look like an original and comes pre-installed with the version of Ubuntu or you can get it from distrowatch
05:20.20macoim gonna go back to trying to remember that database class i took 4 years ago and havent needed to use
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05:20.44macoand also wishing mysql workbench wasn't a crashy bugger
05:20.59Secrislol I took mine a year ago
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05:22.39macoSecris: are you in uni?
05:22.51macoby the time you finish, you'll be all rusty at the first and second year stuff
05:24.27Secristech school but yea... I have been trying to come up with any side projects to keep my skills up but I am having more trouble coming up with ideas than I did learning the material
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05:29.07SecrisThe only project I have really came up with is my mom has some cookbooks that are from her grandmother and they are falling apart so she wants me to turn them into a web site or something
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05:33.14mosnodchilton: what's a ferner?
05:33.37dchiltontexan for 'foreigner'!
05:34.09dchiltonof course, depends on one's geo-perspective ...
05:34.35Secrislol how many guns do you own?
05:34.51dchiltonSecris: none.  I'm not from Texas ...
05:35.30Secrislol
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05:40.45Secrisdchilton: I thought everyone in Texas owned a gun
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05:41.01dchiltonSecris: visit!  ask around!
05:42.23SecrisGotta find a job so I can afford to visit
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06:04.00mosnodoes KDE integrate with Google Documents at all?
06:04.07mosnoi'm on 4.6.5
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06:07.38DaZ4.6 is pretty retro :x
06:07.54mosnoDaZ: well, for any 4.x?
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06:08.39joshwinesmosno: you view Google Docs in a browser (unless we are talking about different things) so any Desktop Environment with a modern browser will let you use Google Docs
06:08.49mosnojoshwines: yeah, i'm already doing that
06:08.51DaZi don't really know much about this google docs thing
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06:09.01mosnojoshwines: i was hoping for KIO or something
06:09.12mosnoor even dropbox...
06:09.39DaZlibreoffice has some googledocs extension :x
06:10.20DaZand there's this http://code.google.com/p/google-docs-fs/
06:10.33mosnohmm, that might work
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06:13.41djxit's possible to change the mime default apps by command-line?
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06:56.19dahliahi, anyone know offhand how to get it so alt-left click gets passed to the application instead of moving the window? blender uses alt-clicks and I cant get it to recognize them
06:56.29dahliaIm using kubuntu
06:57.00dahliaI tried all the system settings I could find but nothing worked
06:57.39cb400fthat's an X feature
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06:58.04cb400fnot a kde feature... you can probably disable it via x configuration somehow
06:58.15dahliahmmm...
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06:58.41dahliaI thought I remember disabling it in a menu somewhere when I used to use gnome ubuntu
06:58.53dahliawill look...
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07:03.41dahliahttp://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro/Operating_System_specific_notes
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07:06.07dahliathat worked, I did an application specific window behavior thing
07:08.52cb400fah
07:08.56Torchdahlia: system settings -> window behaviour -> window behaviour -> window actions -> modifier key
07:09.17dahliaty :)
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07:09.56boombatowercurious why the extra 0 in the about dialog? http://i.imgur.com/Gr5IC.png
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07:11.31boombatower4.8.00
07:11.45boombatowerand no closing )...is that a distro packaging issue?
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07:43.00DaZi have 00 as well :x
07:43.28DaZoh, filtering part messages isn't always good.
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07:45.18mosnoDaZ: my "retro" KDE has normal numbering... http://imgur.com/BgTkt :P
07:45.50DaZsomeone made a typo
07:45.51DaZhappens <:
07:46.09mosnoalthough my 3D stopped for some reason and won't turn back on :(
07:46.33DaZalthough upgrade wouldn't hurt you, through 4.7 and 4.8 i've noticed increase in performance :x
07:46.48mosnoDaZ: i'm just running whatever is in my repos
07:46.52mosnoDaZ: will upgrade when the repos upgrade
07:46.54DaZeven with the shift alt f12? :x
07:47.03mosnowhat's that do?
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07:47.14DaZit's a shortcut to turn them on
07:47.19mosnoit does nothing for me
07:47.30DaZati, nvidia? :x
07:47.35mosnoradeon driver
07:47.37mosnothe foss one
07:47.41mosnoon a mobility X1400
07:47.50mosnoon debian sid i386
07:47.56DaZi can't help you much then :x
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07:48.06mosnoDaZ: np -- i can live without it
07:48.10DaZyou can't
07:48.15mosno:P
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07:48.26DaZand it's probably something driver related :x
07:48.29mosnoi have no time to delve into my graphics stack
07:48.40mosnoit's on the TODO tho
07:48.42mosnolow-pri
07:48.45DaZ:x
07:48.53DaZlife without wobbly windows is meaningless.
07:49.01mosnoone day i'll learn how to "linux" ;)
07:49.05mosnololz
07:49.34mosnothere's one reason i'm glad it died -- i hated the animation when i pressed the Application Launcher
07:49.37mosnothat stupid 3 second slide
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07:49.52mosnoi'm all for animations, but when they take time out of my workflow, they gots to go
07:50.07DaZgood thing is you can configure it
07:50.07mosnookay, maybe 1.5 second, but it felt like 3
07:50.12mosnoi couldn't see how easily
07:50.15mosnobut that's good to know
07:50.23DaZbad thing, a lot of those irritating things is turned on by default :f
07:50.32mosnomaybe when i de-bork my system i'll fix it ;)
07:51.06mosnoyeah, kde is much more fun when you realise that you're going to spend quite some time tweaking to your liking
07:51.17mosnocontrast with gnome which has much better defaults imho
07:51.29mosnohowever, the tweak factor of gnome is obviously greatly diminished
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07:51.37DaZcontrast with gnome, where all you can do is changing wallpapers :f
07:51.43mosnolike i said :)
07:52.02mosnoi've got two laptops in front of me -- one with kde 4.6 and one with gnome 3.2
07:52.11mosnotyping to you from the kde one :D
07:52.31DaZhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/1072330/derpderp7776.png :x
07:52.51mosnohmm, cool
07:53.09mosnoby the time i get around to fixing it, the stack will probably have de-borked itself after a few apt upgrades :)
07:53.10DaZor just switch animations to fast.
07:53.18mosnoand i'll probably have a newer kde by then
07:53.20mosnoheh
07:53.26DaZdunnolol
07:53.38mosnosadface -> wait -> aptitude full-update -> happyface
07:53.46DaZati and debian are beyond my comprehension.
07:53.50mosnoheh
07:53.58mosnoyeah debian is a big monster
07:54.08mosnobut at the same time it's pretty cooll
07:54.38DaZ"hey, it's printing warnings! lets's delete the code that's doing it!"
07:54.46mosnoyeah, that was dumb
07:55.04DaZmaybe a bit :f
07:55.10mosnothey shouldn't do patches they don't understand
07:55.16mosnothey should wait for upstream
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07:55.23mosnoi'm not saying debian is perfect
07:55.27mosnoit's really not
07:55.49DaZnever thought you are
07:55.54mosnooh good :D
07:56.01DaZi'm just pointing out why i don't really want to touch it :f
07:56.04mosnoheh
07:56.17mosnothat bug never directly affected me, but it was a big disappointment
07:56.22mosnoat the time i wasn't running debian afaik
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07:56.40mosnoi've been running it on and off for over a decade tho, along with fedora and others
07:56.43mosnoopensuse... gentoo...
07:56.58mosnored hat... mandrake (yes, mandrake)
07:57.03mosnolots, really
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07:58.00DaZeveryone sooner or later starts journey like that :x
07:58.21mosnooh, and arch back about 7 years ago
07:58.49mosnowhat do you run DaZ?
07:58.57DaZwhat's up with that (yes, mandrake)? :f
07:59.01DaZit's a good distro :f
07:59.05mosnoDaZ: as in, not Mandriva
07:59.07DaZarch.
07:59.09DaZuhm
07:59.30DaZhating on it is pretty popular, so i thought.. :x
07:59.39mosnodunno, i used to like it
07:59.48mosnoalthough i could never get urpmi to work properly
07:59.57mosnothe icons were a little dorky :
07:59.59mosno:)
08:00.09mosnobesides that it was just a friendlier redhat
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08:24.24edge226Hey guys, I have a question in regards to configuration of kdm, I want to be able to add a custom script to load a custom set of WM and other tools. similar to how .xinitrc works, is this possible?
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08:27.49cb400f~/.kde/Autostart/ is not good enough for this?
08:27.50aptcb400f: okay
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08:29.09edge226cb400f: will that autostart when KDE is run and replace the WM or would that not run any kde tools at all and only run what I wanted?
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08:29.45cb400fit'll run whatever executable scripts are located there on kde startup
08:30.03cb400fyou can't just select your WM in systemsettings?
08:32.35edge226cb400f: I am not looking to replace my WM over KDE as I see no point, if I am running KDE then kwin will do. Really just playing around with some stuff and wondered if anyone knew what I wanted, but it appears you have misinterpreted what I had wanted.
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08:37.27DaZimho it is, you need to make one of those session scripts though
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10:22.10alnrhi. on a remote desktop via xrdp, widgets on the title bar do not display. ie i have a solid title bar. they still seem to work, they just do not display. any ideas whats going on?
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10:34.17younishdhi, i have a problem with veromix plasmoid (arch linux x64 + kde 4.8) when i add it to the tray, i get the following err : script initialization failed. maybe a problem with python ?
10:35.58younishdcoz in arch, python refers to v3 and not v2. where do i find the script so i can change #!/usr/bin/env python to python2 ??
10:36.12younishdmaybe it would fix it
10:36.14younishdany idea ?
10:40.08brotyounishd: the arch people would now that. and yep, that sounds like a 3vs2 problem :)
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10:48.15younishdbrot: k (: i'll ask on #archlinux
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10:58.23TomTomhi there. since the upgrade to 4.8 i have many windows no longer in my task bar. i can only switch to these processes by "alt-tab"... any idea to see them again in the taskbar?
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11:28.17TomTomfound the solution, the taskbar showed only windows of one activity. i have no clue why some windows are in other activities. but never mind, this activity is nobody using i guess ;)=
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11:50.29PelleTutI'm using latest git version of phonon-gstreamer, but still I'm not getting gapless playback in e.g amarok. What could I be missing?
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11:51.24JackWinteranyone know why my kalarm stopped working when upgrading to 4.8?  they seem to still be in share/apps/kalarm/calender.ics ?
11:51.47JackWintercould it be because i have removed kontakt?
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11:56.07cb400fprobably not.. more likely the migration to akonadi failed partially
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13:25.54robertzaccourIf I use Banshee in KDE will it use up a lot more ram?
13:26.10DaZnot really
13:26.27DaZbut it might look pretty bad :x
13:27.33robertzaccouroh I figured out how to organize playlists in Amarok never mind :) thanks anyways
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13:28.43robertzaccourand wasn't sure about chromium web browser, but I wasn't about to stick with rekonq haha
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13:36.10JackWintercb400f: oh no, does that use akonadi too now?  i'm so tired of that piece of software :)  just had enough of it when it made kmail2 impossible to use for me
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13:37.46zlozlzhello, is there a tool that allows to send screenshots directly to imgur?
13:38.00JackWinterso check that akonadi is working ok, and then setup all my alarms again?
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13:42.50robertzaccoursomething weird here.
13:42.59robertzaccourI put in a cd, and no music to be found
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13:43.25ironfroggyi have a fun problem: my system tray is enormous.
13:43.44ironfroggyit is so large, it now is only empty space and pushes all the icons out of the panel entirely
13:43.51ironfroggyit pushes most of the other widgets on the panel out too
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13:53.32JackWinteranother issue i have is that my task manager is full of tiny instances, seem like most of the time it doesn't group them, so i really don't know what is what anymore?
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14:11.12ashwin_is there a screen vidoe capture for kde ?
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14:13.02PelleTutashwin_: like recordmydesktop?
14:14.03ashwin_PelleTut: yes
14:14.40PelleTutwell it should work well in kde as well, there's a qt-frontend available too
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14:39.05ironfroggyafter my update to 11.10 i no longer get notifications from gtk applications properly, they come up as plain X dialogs instead, and i can't find a way to even turn them off. what might have broken in the update that i could look into?
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14:40.46cuppsyAnyone have issues connecting to Yahoo! via Kopete in 4.8?
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15:08.56ironfroggypinotree: are you saying i am asking in the wrong channel?
15:09.02pinotreeyes
15:09.38ironfroggyi don't see how.
15:09.55pinotreethis is #kde, neither #kubuntu nor #gnome
15:10.07ironfroggyi'm asking about KDE's handling of notifications
15:10.19Torchironfroggy: just do yourself a favour and ask on #kubuntu ;-)
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15:11.22ironfroggyi will, tho i also want to understand the logical distinctions. it is often not easy to know where to ask a question when it crosses fine lines between projects.
15:11.25|ntz|hello
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15:15.03Torchironfroggy: if in doubt ask on your distro channel
15:15.17Torchironfroggy: in case they can't tell you, they'll tell you where to go
15:15.17pinotreeironfroggy: kde doesn't make any distinction between "kde", "gtk", etc applications when handling notifications
15:15.38pinotreeif gtk applications don't correctly send notifications, that's their problem
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15:21.07PelleTutisn't it handled by libnotify?
15:22.04pinotreekde does not use libnotify
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15:50.09DaZseems to work, i think :x
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15:52.28dchiltonCan KDEPIM 4.8's addressbook's contacts be set/changed in bulk to a given "DisplayName" format?  e.g., select a bunch, or all, contacts, and switch them all to "Reverse with Comma", or other?  One at a time works, but with 1000's of contacts ...
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16:04.21jdhfrhow to change wallpaper o_O?
16:04.44Torchjdhfr: right click on the desktop and pick desktop settings
16:05.09jdhfri tried but desktop has no rightclick menu
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16:05.43jdhfri have 4.8.0
16:05.57cb400fjdhfr: your system sounds fscked up.. but you can just drag an image from e.g. dolphin and drop on the desktop
16:06.11cb400f.. provided widgets are unlocked of course
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16:07.54jdhfri cannot drop file to desktop
16:08.56Torchjdhfr: you sure you're running kde? ;-)
16:09.14jdhfras i said kde 4.8.0
16:09.15DaZunlock widgets
16:09.26jdhfrhow?
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16:09.46DaZrmb on desktop, unlock widgets
16:09.46annmajdhfr: what happens?
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16:10.11jdhfrrightclisk does nothing
16:10.12annmawhen you drop a file on your desktop
16:10.16JLPjdhfr: you can use that icon somewhere in the upper right corner of screen, also has Desktop Settings available there
16:10.18BluesKajjdhfr,  have updated/upgraded/dist-upgrade , since installing 4.8,? also you can report this behaviour in #ubuntu-testing or #kubuntu-devel
16:10.32jdhfrannma: it shows stopsign over the file icon
16:10.48JLPor you can try Alt+F, L to unlovk widgets and Alt+D, Alt+S for settings
16:10.50jdhfrthat is what i have in my distro
16:11.11BluesKajif you run kubuntu that is jdhfr :)
16:11.16jdhfrbut is there a control panel icon for that?
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16:40.10daedaluzI've been toying with Haiku a bit nowadays, and it would be really neat if KDE could achieve one of its merits
16:40.20daedaluznamely,  no scroll bars ever in native applications, instead if resolution is adequate they scale exactly so that they are no required
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16:40.51Torchdaedaluz: how does that work for konsole, konqueror or kate?
16:41.04Torchdaedaluz: or konversation, for that matter?
16:41.17daedaluzTorch: what do you mean?
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16:41.39Torchdaedaluz: do you see scroll bars in your irc client?
16:41.47daedaluzI was talking about when a window opens
16:42.03Torchdaedaluz: where did you say that?
16:43.35daedaluzdisregarding that, wouldn't that be cool and especially more fluid for general user experience?
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16:44.23Torchit's probably in the style guide, would have to look it up.
16:44.37Torchi can only speak for my own apps and these do indeed try to adjust initial content so that there are no scroll bars
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16:45.44daedaluzcould it be possible to implement it on toolkit level so it would be automated for devs unless they excplicitly state otherwise?
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16:45.47Torchbut a lot more important than that is that apps save their layout on shutdown and restore it on next startup. and KDE apps generally do that because it's easy to do with KDE.
16:46.02daedaluzagreed on that
16:47.04wb_so it looks like it is the Plasma Desktop Shell that crashes every time I logout
16:47.04TorchQt already helps devs with that, but the app itself has the explicit knowledge which steps to take to size elements correctly in the end
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16:48.32wb_http://pastebin.com/39X3kJXM
16:49.24Torchwb_: this would be a lot more useful if you had debug symbols installed
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16:49.56wb_installing debug symbols fails with "no debug packages for"  .../libQtCore.so4
16:50.03wb_.../libQtGui.so.4
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16:50.10wb_and libplasma.so.3
16:50.13Torchwb_: ask on your distro channel how to install them
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16:50.24wb_ok
16:50.33Torchwb_: do you have any downloaded plasmoids installed?
16:50.47wb_yes
16:50.52wb_are they the problem you think?
16:51.01Torchwb_: _some_ plasmoid using python, it seems
16:51.17wb_ok, I'll clean them up and see if situation improves, thanks
16:51.22Torchwb_: might be worth a shot
16:51.32Torchwb_: one by one of course ;-)
16:51.54wb_:)
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17:06.51dchiltonre: howto bulk change KAddressBook contact "Display Names", anyone ?
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17:34.56Filippohi all
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17:35.18DaskreechHi
17:35.30Filippoam i wrong or dolphin column view is missing in kde 4.8?
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17:36.48ChemBroFilippo: is it this, where you cut the view in half?
17:37.02ChemBrofor 2 different directories?
17:37.29Filippono, the i mean the view that simulate osx finder behaviour
17:38.00ChemBrowell, don't know what osx finder behaviour is, never used osx
17:38.38TorchFilippo: looks like you're correct. dolphin's views have been rewritten for 4.8 so that might explain that
17:39.14Filippoi'm interested in knowing why isn't there anymore
17:39.27Filippobecause i'm playing with qml recently
17:39.41Filippoand i tried to implement something like the old column view
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17:40.03Filipposo a view for a tree structure and i failed
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17:40.54Filipposo i would like to speak to dolphin developers about it
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17:41.30TorchFilippo: the dolphin about box has the mail addresses
17:42.10dchiltonFilippo: omg, they've killed column view?
17:42.11DaskreechFilippo: Ctrl+3 Doesn't work?
17:42.38TorchDaskreech: does it for you in 4.8?
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17:42.52DaskreechI doubt they killed it. They rewrote all the view logic for 4.8 Most likely they are just getting around to putting them back to being visible once the bugs are gone
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17:43.35Filippoguys i mean the view that mimic the osx finder behaviour! not the side by side view
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17:43.54TorchFilippo: i know what you are talking about.
17:43.57DaskreechIt's known that all the features of the old view model are not there but they will all come back probably by KDE 4.8.3 since they are there just not usable (bug!)
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17:44.55dchiltonFilippo: well, in any case, I don't see column view :-/  Daskreech right after all the features from KDEPIM 3.5 get added back? ;-)
17:46.05Daskreechdchilton: I don't know that all the features from KDE 3 PIM will be added back. No one ever said they would be
17:46.22DaskreechThuogh if you need something that can't be done otherwise I would file a bug
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17:47.32dchiltonDaskreech: sure, understood.  lots of bugs already filed.  most ignored.  nbd.  not my job to change minds.  my alternative was to change my daily driver.
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17:47.55DaskreechDriver?
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17:49.01dchiltonthe pim app i use daily ...
17:49.23dchiltonnot driver as in low-level/kernel ...
17:49.28Daskreechah :) what was the feature that you were missing?
17:49.46DaskreechI read it as a Chauffeur  :-)
17:50.38Filippodchilton: i find kmail and kontact too crowded
17:51.14dchiltonDaskreech: the list is long.  but "top 3 personal favorites" ? (1) akonadi that doesn't require restart every hour, (2) ability to merge contacts, and general bulk editing capibility, and (3) mobile sync
17:51.17Filippoi hope too see a simpler calendar and mail app
17:51.28dchiltonDaskreech: I AM a chauffeur.  ask my wife ;-)
17:51.46dchiltonFilippo: I use Tbird/Lightning, personally.
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17:52.09DaskreechFar as I recall there is a mobile sync plugin
17:52.21Daskreechwhy does akonadi need to be restarted every hour?
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17:54.38dchiltonDaskreech:   who knows why? mail stops getting retrieved, kmail2 goes nonresponsive.  the only thing that cures it is 'akonadictl restart'.  happened so often, I set up a "akonadictl restart" hotkey!  Drove me nuts.  I moved on.
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17:55.25dchiltonDaskreech: 'mobile sync plugin'?  one that works and is widely supported?  news to me ...
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17:57.20dchiltonbut, hey!  at least in 4.8 you can turn off QR code display :-)
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18:00.04Daskreechdchilton: ick that happened with one release of KDE for me but was fixed in the next point release
18:00.21Daskreechwidely supported. No :-) but that's the way of FOSS
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18:01.27dchiltonYes, cuz supporting contact/calendar sync with iPhone & Android is an "edge" case ;-p
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18:03.13Daskreechdchilton: ha ha :) Well there is the googledata-sync if you want to do that
18:03.37Daskreechbut no I meant that someone does something that works for them and puts it out then more people test it till it works for them
18:04.03Daskreechthat cycle goes on till it's widely supported. But you don't get things released and suddenly widely supported.
18:04.09dchiltonDaskreech: yes there is, and no i don't.  I use TBird/Lightning and Card/CalDAV sync.
18:04.17DaskreechThe two times I've ever seen that happen was Joomla and Libreoffice
18:05.04DaskreechWell use what works for you :)
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18:07.07bellicjrWill it be a KDE 4.9 ? Is it confirmed ?
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18:08.18DaskreechA kde 4.9?
18:08.32bellicjrDaskreech: I mean, what's after KDE 4.8 ?
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18:10.53DaskreechKDE 4.9 ?
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18:14.33dchiltonDaskreech: math wiz?
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18:19.48Daskreechdchilton: I think it's fears of KDE 5
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18:20.38dchiltonDaskreech: hehe!  nothing to fear.  all feature will be disabled until some future date when they're re-added ;-)
18:21.08DaskreechStarting first with KDM's ability to login
18:21.50dchilton\o/
18:21.51DaskreechThough now  that I think about it none of your missing features from KDE 3.5 were in 3.5 ;-/
18:22.33dchiltonDaskreech: contact merge was.  there was no akonadi to futz with.  mobilesync plugin -- back then -- worked fine.
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18:23.24DaskreechFor android?
18:23.28Daskreech=-o
18:23.38dchiltonsyncml worked.
18:23.44Daskreechit doesn't anymore?
18:24.09DaskreechI know opensync went into a spiral at one point but I thought they sorted that out a year ago
18:24.23DaskreechOpenChange is what I'm waiting on currently
18:24.53dchiltonDaskreech: if they sorted it, i lost track ... it's not like a working solution is obvious from inside the app.
18:25.21DaskreechHmm well I'll go ask
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18:25.40DaskreechMight be getting an android soon may make sense to start testing that
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18:28.32dchiltonDaskreech: the Funambol syncml clients work nicely on ios & android.  as do the zimbra clients.  community funambol server is effectively abandoned by corporate, tho -- languishes.  zimbra's an option if you want to take that direction.  personally, i've got android card/cal-dav clients + owncloud as a solution.  tbird/lightning's caldav works.  alas, tbird's carddav is ... challenged, atm.
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18:28.59Daskreechchallenged?
18:29.04Daskreechhow so?
18:29.10Daskreechno work done on it?
18:30.03dchiltonnon-functional.  work is rumored to be being done on it.  but, darned if i can find any details, or anyone really in the know to talk abt it.  must be in "stealth mode" ;-)
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18:31.26DaskreechI guess irc://irc.mozilla.org/#thunderbird isn't of any help
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18:34.51andermetalshhello, does konqueror have a "hints mode" in order to follow the links with keypresses as the Vimperator extension for Firefox and other minimal webkit browser  do?
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18:35.05dchiltonDaskreech: nothin' but crickets chirping on the topic ... at least when i've asked.
18:36.54DaskreechI presume the code is open? Where is the repository? sometimes it's just easier to follow the commits
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18:37.30Daskreechandermetalsh: not sure if this is what you want but if you tap ctrl it will assign keyshortcuts to all the links and you can just press a key to follow the links
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18:38.18ironfroggyubuntu upgrades seem to *always* break kubuntu. is there a better distro that defaults to KDE?
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18:39.15BluesKaj!purekde
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18:39.40scullderhello #kde !
18:39.49DaskreechHi
18:40.00scullderI would like to report a new bug
18:40.01Daskreechhey BluesKaj :) Guess where you are ;-)
18:40.23Daskreechscullder: http://bugs.kde.org if it really is new
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18:40.35sculldermaybe Daskreech
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18:40.56BluesKajironfroggy, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
18:40.58scullderCan someone confirm this UI bug for the battery monitor ? http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1328121628.png
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18:42.12sculldernobody ?
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18:43.28rindolfscullder: can you restate your problem?
18:44.04BluesKajDaskreech,  we were discussing stuff earlier in #kubuntu
18:44.31scullderrindolf: I have a UI problem with the battery monitor : http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1328121628.png
18:45.23scullderthe first time I click on the battery monitor applet, I have the problem
18:45.26scullderthen, it's correct
18:45.30scullderbut not very good
18:45.34Daskreechdoesn't have a battery
18:45.42scullderand I can't resize the pop-up
18:45.47rindolfscullder: I see.
18:45.53rindolfscullder: are you using the most up-to-date KDE ?
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18:46.01scullderkde 4.8 under archlinux ;)
18:46.24scullderI've updated from kde 4.7.4 so it may be my "old" profile
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18:48.06scullderI've other problems with kde 4.8 ;) I could open a bunch of small bug reports ^^
18:48.57scullderI have some default calendars in korganizer which I can't delete
18:49.07scullderthe kwallet pop-up windows asking for a password is not centered anymore
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18:49.47scullderI receive a loooot of mails, and I use kmail and filters, and I have regularly someunmovable greyed mails
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18:50.52Daskreechscullder: #kontact for the mail issues
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18:51.08DaskreechUmm. #kwin for the pop up not being centered?
18:51.35scullderI've translated icon task manager plasmoid in French (it was integrated in the source tarball on kde apps), and the French translation is not integrated anymore, it has been replaced by an uncomplete one
18:52.00scullderand I'm just a regular use, I don't have enough time :/
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18:54.32skppo_how can i disable konqueror's pop up blocker?
18:54.59skppo_the checkbox in settings -> configure -> adblock filters  doesn't help obviously
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18:57.10andermetalshDaskreech: thanks :)
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19:36.37dchiltonDaskreech: Torch fwiw, looks like Column view in Dolphin is gone -- and not coming back: http://bit.ly/wnyzVn.  not entirely if that's  "official" ... but sounds like it might be.
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19:38.10dchiltonentirely sure*
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19:38.57Daskreechah maintainence
19:39.39DaskreechI guess if someone can maintain that view it will be added. Course the better path would be to have support for the view abstracted in Qt then it would be easy to maintain
19:40.29dchiltoni've never checked (doing so now ...), is there a 3rd-party KDE/FIleManager project that's decent  and has column view?
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19:45.18BluesKajdchilton,  krusader
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19:46.00dchiltonBluesKaj: looky there!  krusader's still around ... thx.  DL'ing to give it a spin
19:46.32BluesKajdchilton,  it's working well here , i prefer it to that nepomuk thing
19:46.56BluesKajfor search
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19:47.17dchiltonBluesKaj: worth a look.  one less nepomuk thing is one more good thing 4 me.
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19:47.37BluesKajdchilton,  :)_
19:50.32peaceBluesKaj: :) i did i did it ! ffmpeg service menu with profiles
19:51.08dchiltonBluesKaj: krusader's quite nice -- but i'm missing the obvious, apparently. multicolumn view is ... where?
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19:53.53BluesKajdchilton,  sorry , can't find it either :(
19:54.17dchiltonthx.  sigh ...
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19:56.46BluesKajpeace, ffmpeg gui ?
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19:58.53chronosscHello. I REMOVED all my panels and than plasma process died and plasma-desktop don't start nothing... how I can recover my plasma-desktop environ to re-add panels?
19:59.40cb400falt+f2 -> 'plasma-desktop'
19:59.48cb400f.. if it won't start, (re)move the config files
20:02.24chronosscwhere is this config files?
20:02.55cb400f~/.kde/share/config/plasm*  ... with all the other kde config filez
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20:13.38chronosscok, ahn
20:13.54chronosscthe systray is huge, getting 80% of panel, how I put systray to ~15%?
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21:09.47daedaluzhow come when disk activity is high, KDE goes to total halt?
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21:21.19Torchdaedaluz: because it's being starved by the kernel due to the IO. nothing KDE can do about that.
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21:35.47daedaluzTorch: okay, so it's a kernel side problem. well I was wondering why openSUSE does this but PCBSD is buttery
21:36.05daedaluzexplains a lot
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21:52.30ErkiDerLoonyYay! You can finally disable all the semantic crap in 4.8! My netbook is very glad virtuoso-t is no longer hoggging it’s poor cpu. :)
21:52.39ErkiDerLoony(this is not meant ironically) :)
21:53.36pinotreeyou could disable that since... ever (at least, i could do that in kde 4.2)
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21:54.58ErkiDerLoonyWell I did. But it still kept indexing my mail or sth.
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21:55.17ErkiDerLoonyAnd I also love the new rendering engine of Dolphin.
21:55.20ErkiDerLoonyGreat job!
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22:03.15Arno[Slack]ok I have an issue that I never encountered...
22:03.56Arno[Slack]I have a KDESC 4.6 on OpenSUSE 11.4
22:04.24Arno[Slack]and my laptop crashed while connected to an external monitor
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22:05.13Arno[Slack]now my issue is : I can access to applications (I see them in the exposé but they seems to be in a space I can't reach)
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22:06.15Arno[Slack]and I can't see my panel (default panel with kmenu, task list, etc.)
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22:06.59Arno[Slack]any suggestion to get everything back in their place ? (I mean within the bounds of my screen)
22:07.11wyattgUsually you can change the resolution via systemsettings and this will get fixed. You can ALT+click systemsettings if it loads off screen (assuming you can get your mouse offscreen).
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22:09.21Arno[Slack]wyattg: already tried that
22:09.40Arno[Slack]not working and that's why I ask => I can't get my mouse of the screen
22:10.42Arno[Slack]looks like my desktop still evolve in the virtual space of the 2 screens (even if the second one is not plugged anymore and I even rebooted)
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22:11.00Arno[Slack]but I can't access it
22:11.23Arno[Slack]and I can still get the focus on applications
22:11.36pinotreetry alt+f2, plasma-desktop
22:14.46dysocoIs there any way to do like an "Amarok + Grooveshark" thing ?
22:14.46MaxHRHello, anyone know how can I get Plasma Active installed on kubuntu?
22:15.15pinotreeMaxHR: #kubuntu
22:15.23Arno[Slack]pinotree: plamsa-desktop is already launched
22:15.44Arno[Slack]pinotree: nothing changed after the test
22:15.50pinotreek
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22:17.57Arno[Slack]is it possible to remove panels with a command line ?
22:18.25Arno[Slack]dumb question... I'll look at dbus
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22:23.28Arno[Slack]aaah dammit I forgot I could access the applications...
22:27.13JackWinteranyone run into flash sound not working after upgrading to 4.8?
22:28.33dysocoJackWinter: Nope in my Fedora Laptop
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22:31.33JackWinterdysoco: on my desktop it works, atleast with aloop and jack, didn't try straight alsa yet.  on my old celeron laptop it doesn't.  i'll go check what backend it uses
22:32.12dysocoJackWinter: Wich distro ?
22:32.53Arno[Slack]pinotree: do you know if it could be that I have 2 plugin=desktop in my plasmaappletrc ?
22:33.32pinotreenever had a multiscreen setup, so i have no idea what's normal and what not in that file
22:34.42Arno[Slack]well... I'll backup my conf and run some test :)
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22:38.43Arno[Slack]I solved my issue...
22:38.59Arno[Slack]rm .kde4/share/config/plasma*
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22:39.11Arno[Slack]that was easy...
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22:41.37o_aOkay, so, I managed to properly configure KMail 2 with my GMail account, but now KMail is freezing anytime I try to do... anything. What am I supposed to do to even figure out what's happening?
22:41.38dysocoI installed "oxygen-gtk2", but GTK apps keep looking "gnomish", do I need to do anything else ? Restart Xs maybe ?
22:42.18o_adysoco: You need to configure the GTK theme
22:42.19alienBOBdysoco: you have to install a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file from the package
22:42.32o_aWhat distro are you using?
22:42.36dysocoFedora
22:42.41dysocoI installed it from the Package Manager
22:43.38dysocoo_a: Where ?
22:45.19o_adysoco: I installed a GTK theme config KCM, but I'm using Arch and I don't know if there's anything similar in Fedora
22:45.34o_adysoco: Open systemsettings
22:46.01dysocoo_a: You mean de GTK menu ? I know that it's in my Arch Box, but not here :S
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23:59.57zyltoidhow do i change the kde theme for kde apps running in a non-kde desktop environment?

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