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02:08.40 | hagabaka | I uploaded a plugin to kde-files, and it's listed on the website, but I can't see it in the KDE application's "get new ..." dialog. Does it use some kind of API? |
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02:18.01 | Daskreech | hagabaka: Try searching for it |
02:20.44 | hagabaka | now it showed up, I just needed to wait about 30 minutes |
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02:23.42 | Daskreech | Yeah a search would probably do it instantly |
02:24.36 | hagabaka | oh |
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03:46.30 | AndroidLoverInSF | i upgraded to kde 4.8, and now the alt-tab app switcher has big ugly hard to use thumbnails for the apps. how to fix that |
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04:00.57 | Daskreech | AndroidLoverInSF: alt+F2 -> switcher |
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04:03.19 | mosno | is there a way to make kwallet unlock on X session login, like gnome-keyring does? |
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04:11.28 | AndroidLoverInSF | Daskreech, thanks, dont know why it changed and didnt keep old settings |
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04:11.45 | Daskreech | mosno: Hmm? |
04:13.23 | dchilton | Can KDEPIM 4.8's addressbook's contacts be set/changed in bulk to a given "DisplayName" format? e.g., select a bunch, or all, contacts, and switch them all to "Reverse with Comma", or other? One at a time works, but with 1000's of contacts ... |
04:13.41 | mosno | Daskreech: i seem to recall that i never had to manually unlock gnome keyring. i want an encrypted kwallet but i don't want it prompting me for password. can't it be integrated with kdm/pam so that when i login it is unlocked or something? |
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04:14.36 | Daskreech | I ... would suppose so |
04:14.52 | Daskreech | I've never looked but that's a reasonable assumption that it can be |
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04:29.19 | Secris | Loving the new KDE 4.8 |
04:30.51 | dchilton | Secris: Do you use 4.8's KDEPIM? |
04:31.41 | Secris | I am testing it out using the Kubuntu-backports ppa |
04:31.51 | Secris | sorry that's all I really know |
04:32.33 | dchilton | Secris: np. just curious if autocompletion is working for you. seems to be busted, atm. at least for me, and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259949#c44 |
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04:33.46 | Secris | Ah I see... I have not went through and set everything up yet so I don't know |
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04:35.50 | Secris | I can't help but wonder if I would be better off with KDE on some other distro |
04:36.24 | dchilton | Secris: define "better", i suppose ... |
04:36.49 | bretzel | Hey guys, Icons Theme `KFaenza` must be absolutely integrated to official KDE Icons !! It is a Wonderful icons theme. |
04:38.13 | Secris | Well I have heard and seen that some DEs are just not as good (losses in performance, bugs that only appear in ubuntu) when using Ubuntu as a base |
04:39.34 | dchilton | Secris: in my experience, there's certainly enuf bugs to go around all of 'em, and upstream as well. that said, I use openSUSE. as the distro's (arguably) primary DE, it gets as solid support as can be mustered. ymmv. |
04:41.47 | bretzel | me it's ArhcLinux |
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04:42.59 | Secris | I never had much luck with openSuse.. The first few times I tried to use it I had horrible errors... I thought about trying it out on Arch but a recent update disappeared my wireless drivers |
04:43.08 | mosno | is rocking a Sid install, fwiw |
04:43.38 | dchilton | Secris: different strokes. opensuse 12.1 with KDE 48 is, at last, a different creature. |
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04:44.40 | Secris | dchilton: I don't think it would kill me to give openSuse another try. It has been a couple years since I last tried it |
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04:45.08 | dchilton | Secris: couple of years? worth at least a LiveCD test drive if that's the case. |
04:45.16 | mosno | ps. if you're going to bother capitalising, it's "openSUSE" :) |
04:46.02 | o_a | Akonadi server is not starting over here, because, for some reason, akonadi_control won't start. Log: http://pastebin.com/SaJLjJi4 |
04:46.12 | Secris | mosno: Oh sorry thanks for the correction |
04:46.19 | dchilton | mosno: p.p.s i'm not intentionally, and don't particularly care ;-) |
04:46.36 | mosno | at least you didn't write openSuSE :P |
04:46.51 | o_a | What should I do? I haven't found anything helpful about that in techbase. |
04:46.57 | o_a | *userbase |
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04:47.20 | Secris | I try to get in the habit of writing the name properly but it happens |
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04:48.30 | dchilton | Secris: just fyi -> OpeNsusE @ http://software.opensuse.org/121/en |
04:48.35 | gColossus | i am using KDE 4.8 and I don't see the speaker icon on the taskbar for adjusting volume anymore |
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04:48.45 | gColossus | does it belong to kde-meta-utils package group? |
04:50.36 | Secris | dchilton: are you using the standard release I read something about Tumbleweed the other day and was thinking it might be the excuse I was looking for to try openSUSE again |
04:51.26 | gColossus | nvm, it's KMIX |
04:51.38 | dchilton | Secris: heh, drop in at #opensuse, and ask about Tumbleweed. NOT a huge fan club. personally, I advise against it. |
04:52.43 | dchilton | It's frequently coined "Troubleweed". again, ymmv. |
04:53.41 | mosno | dchilton: lol |
04:53.50 | mosno | dchilton: re. capitalisation |
04:54.05 | mosno | OpAnS00Z |
04:54.32 | Secris | dchilton: Ah well I have asked around about it and gotten a lot of comments about it doesn't work so I guess that isn't surprising |
04:54.55 | dchilton | z's instead of s's, s's instead of z's. mosno must be a 'ferner' .... ;-) |
04:55.48 | dchilton | Secris: 'release' 12.1 with "KR48" repos (for stable KDE 4.8) and additional repos if/as you need them is a good place to start these days. |
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04:57.40 | Secris | dchilton: most of the guys I "work" with say the only good KDE is on Archlinux so I am curious to see how openSUSE fairs |
04:58.50 | dchilton | Secris: again, define "good". distro choice is just a personal choice. that said, there are many choices in suse-land -> http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories#Upstream_release_aka._KR48_.28KDE_SC_4.8.29 |
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05:02.59 | Secris | dchilton: fair enough good really is a matter of perspective the guys I deal with maintain a fork of Fedora modified for netbooks so that may be a highly biased opinion |
05:05.49 | Secris | I keep getting this window popping up about a file already exists while using rekonq |
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05:07.04 | Secris | It says it's trying to overwrite the default fav-icon with the page version |
05:07.04 | pspace | Would love if someone can help me out. I've been struggling with Kmail2 manual mail checks. After the first manual mail check, subsequent checks do nothing. |
05:07.28 | dchilton | Secris: heh. perhaps ... ;-) i simply prefer the pacakging and pkg mgmt technologies of suse-land. BuildService (https://build.opensuse.org/), SuseStudio (http://susestudio.com/), Zypper (http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Zypper), YaST (http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:YaST), WebYast (http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:WebYaST). |
05:07.48 | dchilton | They're an acquired taste, and simply life for managing what needs to be managed most ... |
05:08.11 | maco | zypper's nice |
05:08.34 | maco | much better than having to do yast's "click one thing and wait while it reloads everything" stuff |
05:08.44 | maco | also, more easily scriptable |
05:09.21 | dchilton | maco: yast does not require one-click ... and as it's the front end for zypper, much is shared 'tween them |
05:09.40 | Secris | I was reading about YaST today the site said it was the best package management system |
05:09.41 | maco | dchilton: last time i used yast, zypper didnt exist yet |
05:09.48 | dchilton | otoh, PackageKit I can, and do, do without ... |
05:09.49 | maco | so it wasnt a frontend for zypper |
05:10.16 | dchilton | maco: was that right before or after the asteroid killed off the dinosaurs ? |
05:10.32 | maco | suse 10.x or so :P |
05:10.47 | dchilton | right after, then ... |
05:11.18 | Secris | dchilton: are you using one of the KDE browsers? |
05:11.30 | maco | i just remember a system with no repositories, and it reloaded the entire package list after every repository i added, instead of letting me batch add them THEN reload... took ages |
05:11.33 | dchilton | Secris for every Yast bigot, there's an apt-get fanboy ... |
05:11.41 | dchilton | Secris: nope. Firefox. |
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05:12.33 | dchilton | maco: heh. take a look at BuildService. no shortage of repos -- for opensuse, OR other distros ... |
05:12.43 | maco | oh yeah, i know about build service |
05:12.53 | maco | i just mean the system wasnt configured with any when i got my hands on it |
05:13.00 | maco | so then adding a bunch of repos was slooooow |
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05:13.27 | maco | (i'm still not sure i believe that system's owner that it was a fresh install. there was too much weird.) |
05:14.53 | dchilton | maco the current 12.1 installer does a very nice job of dropping you into a fully configured/working system. with KDE &/or GNOME if you so choose. xfce too, i believe. |
05:15.10 | Secris | dchilton: I have been trying rekonq and I believe it has potential but I have been having trouble with it |
05:15.37 | maco | dchilton: this was a kde system with compiz installed, but the fglrx driver was installed despite it not supporting the ati card that was installed! my fooling around with repos was to get the open source ati driver |
05:15.54 | maco | yast is impossible to use at 2 frames per second, btw |
05:16.09 | maco | mostly because the gui just plain doesn't work at that framerate. can't open a menu or anything |
05:16.38 | dchilton | maco: Commodore64's were popular "back then". time to let it go, and move on. ;-) |
05:16.52 | maco | c64s were not popular in 2007 :P |
05:17.06 | maco | (well, except among the crowd that STILL thinks they're popular!) |
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05:17.39 | maco | (though the early days of compiz does seem like forever ago now) |
05:17.53 | Secris | maco: not true they have a new version with all new hardware that runs a highly tweaked version of Ubuntu |
05:18.26 | Secris | It's very blue |
05:18.27 | maco | i heard about that, but is it still called a 64? |
05:18.34 | Secris | yup |
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05:18.46 | maco | you'd think they'd rev the version number after 20 years :P |
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05:19.50 | Secris | you can buy the computer which is designed to look like an original and comes pre-installed with the version of Ubuntu or you can get it from distrowatch |
05:20.20 | maco | im gonna go back to trying to remember that database class i took 4 years ago and havent needed to use |
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05:20.44 | maco | and also wishing mysql workbench wasn't a crashy bugger |
05:20.59 | Secris | lol I took mine a year ago |
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05:22.39 | maco | Secris: are you in uni? |
05:22.51 | maco | by the time you finish, you'll be all rusty at the first and second year stuff |
05:24.27 | Secris | tech school but yea... I have been trying to come up with any side projects to keep my skills up but I am having more trouble coming up with ideas than I did learning the material |
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05:29.07 | Secris | The only project I have really came up with is my mom has some cookbooks that are from her grandmother and they are falling apart so she wants me to turn them into a web site or something |
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05:33.14 | mosno | dchilton: what's a ferner? |
05:33.37 | dchilton | texan for 'foreigner'! |
05:34.09 | dchilton | of course, depends on one's geo-perspective ... |
05:34.35 | Secris | lol how many guns do you own? |
05:34.51 | dchilton | Secris: none. I'm not from Texas ... |
05:35.30 | Secris | lol |
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05:40.45 | Secris | dchilton: I thought everyone in Texas owned a gun |
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05:41.01 | dchilton | Secris: visit! ask around! |
05:42.23 | Secris | Gotta find a job so I can afford to visit |
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06:04.00 | mosno | does KDE integrate with Google Documents at all? |
06:04.07 | mosno | i'm on 4.6.5 |
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06:07.38 | DaZ | 4.6 is pretty retro :x |
06:07.54 | mosno | DaZ: well, for any 4.x? |
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06:08.39 | joshwines | mosno: you view Google Docs in a browser (unless we are talking about different things) so any Desktop Environment with a modern browser will let you use Google Docs |
06:08.49 | mosno | joshwines: yeah, i'm already doing that |
06:08.51 | DaZ | i don't really know much about this google docs thing |
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06:09.01 | mosno | joshwines: i was hoping for KIO or something |
06:09.12 | mosno | or even dropbox... |
06:09.39 | DaZ | libreoffice has some googledocs extension :x |
06:10.20 | DaZ | and there's this http://code.google.com/p/google-docs-fs/ |
06:10.33 | mosno | hmm, that might work |
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06:13.41 | djx | it's possible to change the mime default apps by command-line? |
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06:56.19 | dahlia | hi, anyone know offhand how to get it so alt-left click gets passed to the application instead of moving the window? blender uses alt-clicks and I cant get it to recognize them |
06:56.29 | dahlia | Im using kubuntu |
06:57.00 | dahlia | I tried all the system settings I could find but nothing worked |
06:57.39 | cb400f | that's an X feature |
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06:58.04 | cb400f | not a kde feature... you can probably disable it via x configuration somehow |
06:58.15 | dahlia | hmmm... |
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06:58.41 | dahlia | I thought I remember disabling it in a menu somewhere when I used to use gnome ubuntu |
06:58.53 | dahlia | will look... |
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07:03.41 | dahlia | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro/Operating_System_specific_notes |
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07:06.07 | dahlia | that worked, I did an application specific window behavior thing |
07:08.52 | cb400f | ah |
07:08.56 | Torch | dahlia: system settings -> window behaviour -> window behaviour -> window actions -> modifier key |
07:09.17 | dahlia | ty :) |
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07:09.56 | boombatower | curious why the extra 0 in the about dialog? http://i.imgur.com/Gr5IC.png |
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07:11.31 | boombatower | 4.8.00 |
07:11.45 | boombatower | and no closing )...is that a distro packaging issue? |
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07:43.00 | DaZ | i have 00 as well :x |
07:43.28 | DaZ | oh, filtering part messages isn't always good. |
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07:45.18 | mosno | DaZ: my "retro" KDE has normal numbering... http://imgur.com/BgTkt :P |
07:45.50 | DaZ | someone made a typo |
07:45.51 | DaZ | happens <: |
07:46.09 | mosno | although my 3D stopped for some reason and won't turn back on :( |
07:46.33 | DaZ | although upgrade wouldn't hurt you, through 4.7 and 4.8 i've noticed increase in performance :x |
07:46.48 | mosno | DaZ: i'm just running whatever is in my repos |
07:46.52 | mosno | DaZ: will upgrade when the repos upgrade |
07:46.54 | DaZ | even with the shift alt f12? :x |
07:47.03 | mosno | what's that do? |
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07:47.14 | DaZ | it's a shortcut to turn them on |
07:47.19 | mosno | it does nothing for me |
07:47.30 | DaZ | ati, nvidia? :x |
07:47.35 | mosno | radeon driver |
07:47.37 | mosno | the foss one |
07:47.41 | mosno | on a mobility X1400 |
07:47.50 | mosno | on debian sid i386 |
07:47.56 | DaZ | i can't help you much then :x |
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07:48.06 | mosno | DaZ: np -- i can live without it |
07:48.10 | DaZ | you can't |
07:48.15 | mosno | :P |
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07:48.26 | DaZ | and it's probably something driver related :x |
07:48.29 | mosno | i have no time to delve into my graphics stack |
07:48.40 | mosno | it's on the TODO tho |
07:48.42 | mosno | low-pri |
07:48.45 | DaZ | :x |
07:48.53 | DaZ | life without wobbly windows is meaningless. |
07:49.01 | mosno | one day i'll learn how to "linux" ;) |
07:49.05 | mosno | lolz |
07:49.34 | mosno | there's one reason i'm glad it died -- i hated the animation when i pressed the Application Launcher |
07:49.37 | mosno | that stupid 3 second slide |
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07:49.52 | mosno | i'm all for animations, but when they take time out of my workflow, they gots to go |
07:50.07 | DaZ | good thing is you can configure it |
07:50.07 | mosno | okay, maybe 1.5 second, but it felt like 3 |
07:50.12 | mosno | i couldn't see how easily |
07:50.15 | mosno | but that's good to know |
07:50.23 | DaZ | bad thing, a lot of those irritating things is turned on by default :f |
07:50.32 | mosno | maybe when i de-bork my system i'll fix it ;) |
07:51.06 | mosno | yeah, kde is much more fun when you realise that you're going to spend quite some time tweaking to your liking |
07:51.17 | mosno | contrast with gnome which has much better defaults imho |
07:51.29 | mosno | however, the tweak factor of gnome is obviously greatly diminished |
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07:51.37 | DaZ | contrast with gnome, where all you can do is changing wallpapers :f |
07:51.43 | mosno | like i said :) |
07:52.02 | mosno | i've got two laptops in front of me -- one with kde 4.6 and one with gnome 3.2 |
07:52.11 | mosno | typing to you from the kde one :D |
07:52.31 | DaZ | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1072330/derpderp7776.png :x |
07:52.51 | mosno | hmm, cool |
07:53.09 | mosno | by the time i get around to fixing it, the stack will probably have de-borked itself after a few apt upgrades :) |
07:53.10 | DaZ | or just switch animations to fast. |
07:53.18 | mosno | and i'll probably have a newer kde by then |
07:53.20 | mosno | heh |
07:53.26 | DaZ | dunnolol |
07:53.38 | mosno | sadface -> wait -> aptitude full-update -> happyface |
07:53.46 | DaZ | ati and debian are beyond my comprehension. |
07:53.50 | mosno | heh |
07:53.58 | mosno | yeah debian is a big monster |
07:54.08 | mosno | but at the same time it's pretty cooll |
07:54.38 | DaZ | "hey, it's printing warnings! lets's delete the code that's doing it!" |
07:54.46 | mosno | yeah, that was dumb |
07:55.04 | DaZ | maybe a bit :f |
07:55.10 | mosno | they shouldn't do patches they don't understand |
07:55.16 | mosno | they should wait for upstream |
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07:55.23 | mosno | i'm not saying debian is perfect |
07:55.27 | mosno | it's really not |
07:55.49 | DaZ | never thought you are |
07:55.54 | mosno | oh good :D |
07:56.01 | DaZ | i'm just pointing out why i don't really want to touch it :f |
07:56.04 | mosno | heh |
07:56.17 | mosno | that bug never directly affected me, but it was a big disappointment |
07:56.22 | mosno | at the time i wasn't running debian afaik |
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07:56.40 | mosno | i've been running it on and off for over a decade tho, along with fedora and others |
07:56.43 | mosno | opensuse... gentoo... |
07:56.58 | mosno | red hat... mandrake (yes, mandrake) |
07:57.03 | mosno | lots, really |
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07:58.00 | DaZ | everyone sooner or later starts journey like that :x |
07:58.21 | mosno | oh, and arch back about 7 years ago |
07:58.49 | mosno | what do you run DaZ? |
07:58.57 | DaZ | what's up with that (yes, mandrake)? :f |
07:59.01 | DaZ | it's a good distro :f |
07:59.05 | mosno | DaZ: as in, not Mandriva |
07:59.07 | DaZ | arch. |
07:59.09 | DaZ | uhm |
07:59.30 | DaZ | hating on it is pretty popular, so i thought.. :x |
07:59.39 | mosno | dunno, i used to like it |
07:59.48 | mosno | although i could never get urpmi to work properly |
07:59.57 | mosno | the icons were a little dorky : |
07:59.59 | mosno | :) |
08:00.09 | mosno | besides that it was just a friendlier redhat |
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08:24.24 | edge226 | Hey guys, I have a question in regards to configuration of kdm, I want to be able to add a custom script to load a custom set of WM and other tools. similar to how .xinitrc works, is this possible? |
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08:27.49 | cb400f | ~/.kde/Autostart/ is not good enough for this? |
08:27.50 | apt | cb400f: okay |
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08:29.09 | edge226 | cb400f: will that autostart when KDE is run and replace the WM or would that not run any kde tools at all and only run what I wanted? |
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08:29.45 | cb400f | it'll run whatever executable scripts are located there on kde startup |
08:30.03 | cb400f | you can't just select your WM in systemsettings? |
08:32.35 | edge226 | cb400f: I am not looking to replace my WM over KDE as I see no point, if I am running KDE then kwin will do. Really just playing around with some stuff and wondered if anyone knew what I wanted, but it appears you have misinterpreted what I had wanted. |
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08:37.27 | DaZ | imho it is, you need to make one of those session scripts though |
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10:22.10 | alnr | hi. on a remote desktop via xrdp, widgets on the title bar do not display. ie i have a solid title bar. they still seem to work, they just do not display. any ideas whats going on? |
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10:34.17 | younishd | hi, i have a problem with veromix plasmoid (arch linux x64 + kde 4.8) when i add it to the tray, i get the following err : script initialization failed. maybe a problem with python ? |
10:35.58 | younishd | coz in arch, python refers to v3 and not v2. where do i find the script so i can change #!/usr/bin/env python to python2 ?? |
10:36.12 | younishd | maybe it would fix it |
10:36.14 | younishd | any idea ? |
10:40.08 | brot | younishd: the arch people would now that. and yep, that sounds like a 3vs2 problem :) |
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10:48.15 | younishd | brot: k (: i'll ask on #archlinux |
10:48.18 | younishd | tx |
10:48.24 | brot | yw |
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10:58.23 | TomTom | hi there. since the upgrade to 4.8 i have many windows no longer in my task bar. i can only switch to these processes by "alt-tab"... any idea to see them again in the taskbar? |
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11:28.17 | TomTom | found the solution, the taskbar showed only windows of one activity. i have no clue why some windows are in other activities. but never mind, this activity is nobody using i guess ;)= |
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11:50.29 | PelleTut | I'm using latest git version of phonon-gstreamer, but still I'm not getting gapless playback in e.g amarok. What could I be missing? |
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11:51.24 | JackWinter | anyone know why my kalarm stopped working when upgrading to 4.8? they seem to still be in share/apps/kalarm/calender.ics ? |
11:51.47 | JackWinter | could it be because i have removed kontakt? |
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11:56.07 | cb400f | probably not.. more likely the migration to akonadi failed partially |
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11:58.53 | PelleTut | is there any way to get tiling working with two monitors? |
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12:09.15 | proman_ | kde sucks |
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12:10.16 | pinotree | yawn |
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13:25.54 | robertzaccour | If I use Banshee in KDE will it use up a lot more ram? |
13:26.10 | DaZ | not really |
13:26.27 | DaZ | but it might look pretty bad :x |
13:27.33 | robertzaccour | oh I figured out how to organize playlists in Amarok never mind :) thanks anyways |
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13:27.54 | DaZ | check clementine |
13:28.43 | robertzaccour | and wasn't sure about chromium web browser, but I wasn't about to stick with rekonq haha |
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13:36.10 | JackWinter | cb400f: oh no, does that use akonadi too now? i'm so tired of that piece of software :) just had enough of it when it made kmail2 impossible to use for me |
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13:37.46 | zlozlz | hello, is there a tool that allows to send screenshots directly to imgur? |
13:38.00 | JackWinter | so check that akonadi is working ok, and then setup all my alarms again? |
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13:42.50 | robertzaccour | something weird here. |
13:42.59 | robertzaccour | I put in a cd, and no music to be found |
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13:43.25 | ironfroggy | i have a fun problem: my system tray is enormous. |
13:43.44 | ironfroggy | it is so large, it now is only empty space and pushes all the icons out of the panel entirely |
13:43.51 | ironfroggy | it pushes most of the other widgets on the panel out too |
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13:53.32 | JackWinter | another issue i have is that my task manager is full of tiny instances, seem like most of the time it doesn't group them, so i really don't know what is what anymore? |
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14:11.12 | ashwin_ | is there a screen vidoe capture for kde ? |
14:11.28 | ashwin_ | *video |
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14:13.02 | PelleTut | ashwin_: like recordmydesktop? |
14:14.03 | ashwin_ | PelleTut: yes |
14:14.40 | PelleTut | well it should work well in kde as well, there's a qt-frontend available too |
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14:20.17 | BluesKaj | hi all |
14:21.59 | rindolf | blueshi. |
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14:39.05 | ironfroggy | after my update to 11.10 i no longer get notifications from gtk applications properly, they come up as plain X dialogs instead, and i can't find a way to even turn them off. what might have broken in the update that i could look into? |
14:39.44 | pinotree | wrong channel |
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14:40.46 | cuppsy | Anyone have issues connecting to Yahoo! via Kopete in 4.8? |
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14:52.15 | ashwin_ | hi |
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15:08.56 | ironfroggy | pinotree: are you saying i am asking in the wrong channel? |
15:09.02 | pinotree | yes |
15:09.38 | ironfroggy | i don't see how. |
15:09.55 | pinotree | this is #kde, neither #kubuntu nor #gnome |
15:10.07 | ironfroggy | i'm asking about KDE's handling of notifications |
15:10.19 | Torch | ironfroggy: just do yourself a favour and ask on #kubuntu ;-) |
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15:11.22 | ironfroggy | i will, tho i also want to understand the logical distinctions. it is often not easy to know where to ask a question when it crosses fine lines between projects. |
15:11.25 | |ntz| | hello |
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15:15.03 | Torch | ironfroggy: if in doubt ask on your distro channel |
15:15.17 | Torch | ironfroggy: in case they can't tell you, they'll tell you where to go |
15:15.17 | pinotree | ironfroggy: kde doesn't make any distinction between "kde", "gtk", etc applications when handling notifications |
15:15.38 | pinotree | if gtk applications don't correctly send notifications, that's their problem |
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15:21.07 | PelleTut | isn't it handled by libnotify? |
15:22.04 | pinotree | kde does not use libnotify |
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15:35.21 | cuppsy | Fresh KDE 4.8 install in Arch and I can't connect to Yahoo in Kopete. It just hangs on "Connecting"... any ideas? The account works in Pidgin and imo.im, and my other accounts work in Kopete. |
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15:38.50 | DaZ | creates yahoo account |
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15:50.09 | DaZ | seems to work, i think :x |
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15:52.28 | dchilton | Can KDEPIM 4.8's addressbook's contacts be set/changed in bulk to a given "DisplayName" format? e.g., select a bunch, or all, contacts, and switch them all to "Reverse with Comma", or other? One at a time works, but with 1000's of contacts ... |
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16:04.21 | jdhfr | how to change wallpaper o_O? |
16:04.44 | Torch | jdhfr: right click on the desktop and pick desktop settings |
16:05.09 | jdhfr | i tried but desktop has no rightclick menu |
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16:05.43 | jdhfr | i have 4.8.0 |
16:05.57 | cb400f | jdhfr: your system sounds fscked up.. but you can just drag an image from e.g. dolphin and drop on the desktop |
16:06.11 | cb400f | .. provided widgets are unlocked of course |
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16:07.54 | jdhfr | i cannot drop file to desktop |
16:08.56 | Torch | jdhfr: you sure you're running kde? ;-) |
16:09.14 | jdhfr | as i said kde 4.8.0 |
16:09.15 | DaZ | unlock widgets |
16:09.26 | jdhfr | how? |
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16:09.46 | DaZ | rmb on desktop, unlock widgets |
16:09.46 | annma | jdhfr: what happens? |
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16:10.11 | jdhfr | rightclisk does nothing |
16:10.12 | annma | when you drop a file on your desktop |
16:10.16 | JLP | jdhfr: you can use that icon somewhere in the upper right corner of screen, also has Desktop Settings available there |
16:10.18 | BluesKaj | jdhfr, have updated/upgraded/dist-upgrade , since installing 4.8,? also you can report this behaviour in #ubuntu-testing or #kubuntu-devel |
16:10.32 | jdhfr | annma: it shows stopsign over the file icon |
16:10.48 | JLP | or you can try Alt+F, L to unlovk widgets and Alt+D, Alt+S for settings |
16:10.50 | jdhfr | that is what i have in my distro |
16:11.11 | BluesKaj | if you run kubuntu that is jdhfr :) |
16:11.16 | jdhfr | but is there a control panel icon for that? |
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16:40.10 | daedaluz | I've been toying with Haiku a bit nowadays, and it would be really neat if KDE could achieve one of its merits |
16:40.20 | daedaluz | namely, no scroll bars ever in native applications, instead if resolution is adequate they scale exactly so that they are no required |
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16:40.51 | Torch | daedaluz: how does that work for konsole, konqueror or kate? |
16:41.04 | Torch | daedaluz: or konversation, for that matter? |
16:41.17 | daedaluz | Torch: what do you mean? |
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16:41.39 | Torch | daedaluz: do you see scroll bars in your irc client? |
16:41.47 | daedaluz | I was talking about when a window opens |
16:42.03 | Torch | daedaluz: where did you say that? |
16:43.35 | daedaluz | disregarding that, wouldn't that be cool and especially more fluid for general user experience? |
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16:44.23 | Torch | it's probably in the style guide, would have to look it up. |
16:44.37 | Torch | i can only speak for my own apps and these do indeed try to adjust initial content so that there are no scroll bars |
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16:45.44 | daedaluz | could it be possible to implement it on toolkit level so it would be automated for devs unless they excplicitly state otherwise? |
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16:45.47 | Torch | but a lot more important than that is that apps save their layout on shutdown and restore it on next startup. and KDE apps generally do that because it's easy to do with KDE. |
16:46.02 | daedaluz | agreed on that |
16:47.04 | wb_ | so it looks like it is the Plasma Desktop Shell that crashes every time I logout |
16:47.04 | Torch | Qt already helps devs with that, but the app itself has the explicit knowledge which steps to take to size elements correctly in the end |
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16:48.32 | wb_ | http://pastebin.com/39X3kJXM |
16:49.24 | Torch | wb_: this would be a lot more useful if you had debug symbols installed |
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16:49.56 | wb_ | installing debug symbols fails with "no debug packages for" .../libQtCore.so4 |
16:50.03 | wb_ | .../libQtGui.so.4 |
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16:50.10 | wb_ | and libplasma.so.3 |
16:50.13 | Torch | wb_: ask on your distro channel how to install them |
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16:50.24 | wb_ | ok |
16:50.33 | Torch | wb_: do you have any downloaded plasmoids installed? |
16:50.47 | wb_ | yes |
16:50.52 | wb_ | are they the problem you think? |
16:51.01 | Torch | wb_: _some_ plasmoid using python, it seems |
16:51.17 | wb_ | ok, I'll clean them up and see if situation improves, thanks |
16:51.22 | Torch | wb_: might be worth a shot |
16:51.32 | Torch | wb_: one by one of course ;-) |
16:51.54 | wb_ | :) |
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17:06.51 | dchilton | re: howto bulk change KAddressBook contact "Display Names", anyone ? |
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17:34.56 | Filippo | hi all |
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17:35.18 | Daskreech | Hi |
17:35.30 | Filippo | am i wrong or dolphin column view is missing in kde 4.8? |
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17:36.48 | ChemBro | Filippo: is it this, where you cut the view in half? |
17:37.02 | ChemBro | for 2 different directories? |
17:37.29 | Filippo | no, the i mean the view that simulate osx finder behaviour |
17:38.00 | ChemBro | well, don't know what osx finder behaviour is, never used osx |
17:38.38 | Torch | Filippo: looks like you're correct. dolphin's views have been rewritten for 4.8 so that might explain that |
17:39.14 | Filippo | i'm interested in knowing why isn't there anymore |
17:39.27 | Filippo | because i'm playing with qml recently |
17:39.41 | Filippo | and i tried to implement something like the old column view |
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17:40.03 | Filippo | so a view for a tree structure and i failed |
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17:40.54 | Filippo | so i would like to speak to dolphin developers about it |
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17:41.30 | Torch | Filippo: the dolphin about box has the mail addresses |
17:42.10 | dchilton | Filippo: omg, they've killed column view? |
17:42.11 | Daskreech | Filippo: Ctrl+3 Doesn't work? |
17:42.38 | Torch | Daskreech: does it for you in 4.8? |
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17:42.52 | Daskreech | I doubt they killed it. They rewrote all the view logic for 4.8 Most likely they are just getting around to putting them back to being visible once the bugs are gone |
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17:43.35 | Filippo | guys i mean the view that mimic the osx finder behaviour! not the side by side view |
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17:43.54 | Torch | Filippo: i know what you are talking about. |
17:43.57 | Daskreech | It's known that all the features of the old view model are not there but they will all come back probably by KDE 4.8.3 since they are there just not usable (bug!) |
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17:44.55 | dchilton | Filippo: well, in any case, I don't see column view :-/ Daskreech right after all the features from KDEPIM 3.5 get added back? ;-) |
17:46.05 | Daskreech | dchilton: I don't know that all the features from KDE 3 PIM will be added back. No one ever said they would be |
17:46.22 | Daskreech | Thuogh if you need something that can't be done otherwise I would file a bug |
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17:47.32 | dchilton | Daskreech: sure, understood. lots of bugs already filed. most ignored. nbd. not my job to change minds. my alternative was to change my daily driver. |
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17:47.55 | Daskreech | Driver? |
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17:49.01 | dchilton | the pim app i use daily ... |
17:49.23 | dchilton | not driver as in low-level/kernel ... |
17:49.28 | Daskreech | ah :) what was the feature that you were missing? |
17:49.46 | Daskreech | I read it as a Chauffeur :-) |
17:50.38 | Filippo | dchilton: i find kmail and kontact too crowded |
17:51.14 | dchilton | Daskreech: the list is long. but "top 3 personal favorites" ? (1) akonadi that doesn't require restart every hour, (2) ability to merge contacts, and general bulk editing capibility, and (3) mobile sync |
17:51.17 | Filippo | i hope too see a simpler calendar and mail app |
17:51.28 | dchilton | Daskreech: I AM a chauffeur. ask my wife ;-) |
17:51.46 | dchilton | Filippo: I use Tbird/Lightning, personally. |
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17:52.09 | Daskreech | Far as I recall there is a mobile sync plugin |
17:52.21 | Daskreech | why does akonadi need to be restarted every hour? |
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17:54.38 | dchilton | Daskreech: who knows why? mail stops getting retrieved, kmail2 goes nonresponsive. the only thing that cures it is 'akonadictl restart'. happened so often, I set up a "akonadictl restart" hotkey! Drove me nuts. I moved on. |
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17:55.25 | dchilton | Daskreech: 'mobile sync plugin'? one that works and is widely supported? news to me ... |
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17:57.20 | dchilton | but, hey! at least in 4.8 you can turn off QR code display :-) |
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18:00.04 | Daskreech | dchilton: ick that happened with one release of KDE for me but was fixed in the next point release |
18:00.21 | Daskreech | widely supported. No :-) but that's the way of FOSS |
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18:01.27 | dchilton | Yes, cuz supporting contact/calendar sync with iPhone & Android is an "edge" case ;-p |
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18:03.13 | Daskreech | dchilton: ha ha :) Well there is the googledata-sync if you want to do that |
18:03.37 | Daskreech | but no I meant that someone does something that works for them and puts it out then more people test it till it works for them |
18:04.03 | Daskreech | that cycle goes on till it's widely supported. But you don't get things released and suddenly widely supported. |
18:04.09 | dchilton | Daskreech: yes there is, and no i don't. I use TBird/Lightning and Card/CalDAV sync. |
18:04.17 | Daskreech | The two times I've ever seen that happen was Joomla and Libreoffice |
18:05.04 | Daskreech | Well use what works for you :) |
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18:07.07 | bellicjr | Will it be a KDE 4.9 ? Is it confirmed ? |
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18:08.18 | Daskreech | A kde 4.9? |
18:08.32 | bellicjr | Daskreech: I mean, what's after KDE 4.8 ? |
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18:10.53 | Daskreech | KDE 4.9 ? |
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18:14.33 | dchilton | Daskreech: math wiz? |
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18:19.48 | Daskreech | dchilton: I think it's fears of KDE 5 |
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18:20.38 | dchilton | Daskreech: hehe! nothing to fear. all feature will be disabled until some future date when they're re-added ;-) |
18:21.08 | Daskreech | Starting first with KDM's ability to login |
18:21.50 | dchilton | \o/ |
18:21.51 | Daskreech | Though now that I think about it none of your missing features from KDE 3.5 were in 3.5 ;-/ |
18:22.33 | dchilton | Daskreech: contact merge was. there was no akonadi to futz with. mobilesync plugin -- back then -- worked fine. |
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18:23.24 | Daskreech | For android? |
18:23.28 | Daskreech | =-o |
18:23.38 | dchilton | syncml worked. |
18:23.44 | Daskreech | it doesn't anymore? |
18:24.09 | Daskreech | I know opensync went into a spiral at one point but I thought they sorted that out a year ago |
18:24.23 | Daskreech | OpenChange is what I'm waiting on currently |
18:24.53 | dchilton | Daskreech: if they sorted it, i lost track ... it's not like a working solution is obvious from inside the app. |
18:25.21 | Daskreech | Hmm well I'll go ask |
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18:25.40 | Daskreech | Might be getting an android soon may make sense to start testing that |
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18:28.32 | dchilton | Daskreech: the Funambol syncml clients work nicely on ios & android. as do the zimbra clients. community funambol server is effectively abandoned by corporate, tho -- languishes. zimbra's an option if you want to take that direction. personally, i've got android card/cal-dav clients + owncloud as a solution. tbird/lightning's caldav works. alas, tbird's carddav is ... challenged, atm. |
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18:28.59 | Daskreech | challenged? |
18:29.04 | Daskreech | how so? |
18:29.10 | Daskreech | no work done on it? |
18:30.03 | dchilton | non-functional. work is rumored to be being done on it. but, darned if i can find any details, or anyone really in the know to talk abt it. must be in "stealth mode" ;-) |
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18:31.26 | Daskreech | I guess irc://irc.mozilla.org/#thunderbird isn't of any help |
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18:34.51 | andermetalsh | hello, does konqueror have a "hints mode" in order to follow the links with keypresses as the Vimperator extension for Firefox and other minimal webkit browser do? |
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18:35.05 | dchilton | Daskreech: nothin' but crickets chirping on the topic ... at least when i've asked. |
18:36.54 | Daskreech | I presume the code is open? Where is the repository? sometimes it's just easier to follow the commits |
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18:37.30 | Daskreech | andermetalsh: not sure if this is what you want but if you tap ctrl it will assign keyshortcuts to all the links and you can just press a key to follow the links |
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18:38.18 | ironfroggy | ubuntu upgrades seem to *always* break kubuntu. is there a better distro that defaults to KDE? |
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18:39.15 | BluesKaj | !purekde |
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18:39.40 | scullder | hello #kde ! |
18:39.49 | Daskreech | Hi |
18:40.00 | scullder | I would like to report a new bug |
18:40.01 | Daskreech | hey BluesKaj :) Guess where you are ;-) |
18:40.23 | Daskreech | scullder: http://bugs.kde.org if it really is new |
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18:40.35 | scullder | maybe Daskreech |
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18:40.56 | BluesKaj | ironfroggy, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde |
18:40.58 | scullder | Can someone confirm this UI bug for the battery monitor ? http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1328121628.png |
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18:42.12 | scullder | nobody ? |
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18:43.28 | rindolf | scullder: can you restate your problem? |
18:44.04 | BluesKaj | Daskreech, we were discussing stuff earlier in #kubuntu |
18:44.31 | scullder | rindolf: I have a UI problem with the battery monitor : http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1328121628.png |
18:45.23 | scullder | the first time I click on the battery monitor applet, I have the problem |
18:45.26 | scullder | then, it's correct |
18:45.30 | scullder | but not very good |
18:45.34 | Daskreech | doesn't have a battery |
18:45.42 | scullder | and I can't resize the pop-up |
18:45.47 | rindolf | scullder: I see. |
18:45.53 | rindolf | scullder: are you using the most up-to-date KDE ? |
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18:46.01 | scullder | kde 4.8 under archlinux ;) |
18:46.24 | scullder | I've updated from kde 4.7.4 so it may be my "old" profile |
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18:48.06 | scullder | I've other problems with kde 4.8 ;) I could open a bunch of small bug reports ^^ |
18:48.57 | scullder | I have some default calendars in korganizer which I can't delete |
18:49.07 | scullder | the kwallet pop-up windows asking for a password is not centered anymore |
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18:49.47 | scullder | I receive a loooot of mails, and I use kmail and filters, and I have regularly someunmovable greyed mails |
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18:50.52 | Daskreech | scullder: #kontact for the mail issues |
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18:51.08 | Daskreech | Umm. #kwin for the pop up not being centered? |
18:51.35 | scullder | I've translated icon task manager plasmoid in French (it was integrated in the source tarball on kde apps), and the French translation is not integrated anymore, it has been replaced by an uncomplete one |
18:52.00 | scullder | and I'm just a regular use, I don't have enough time :/ |
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18:54.32 | skppo_ | how can i disable konqueror's pop up blocker? |
18:54.59 | skppo_ | the checkbox in settings -> configure -> adblock filters doesn't help obviously |
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18:57.10 | andermetalsh | Daskreech: thanks :) |
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19:36.37 | dchilton | Daskreech: Torch fwiw, looks like Column view in Dolphin is gone -- and not coming back: http://bit.ly/wnyzVn. not entirely if that's "official" ... but sounds like it might be. |
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19:38.10 | dchilton | entirely sure* |
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19:38.57 | Daskreech | ah maintainence |
19:39.39 | Daskreech | I guess if someone can maintain that view it will be added. Course the better path would be to have support for the view abstracted in Qt then it would be easy to maintain |
19:40.29 | dchilton | i've never checked (doing so now ...), is there a 3rd-party KDE/FIleManager project that's decent and has column view? |
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19:45.18 | BluesKaj | dchilton, krusader |
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19:46.00 | dchilton | BluesKaj: looky there! krusader's still around ... thx. DL'ing to give it a spin |
19:46.32 | BluesKaj | dchilton, it's working well here , i prefer it to that nepomuk thing |
19:46.56 | BluesKaj | for search |
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19:47.17 | dchilton | BluesKaj: worth a look. one less nepomuk thing is one more good thing 4 me. |
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19:47.37 | BluesKaj | dchilton, :)_ |
19:50.32 | peace | BluesKaj: :) i did i did it ! ffmpeg service menu with profiles |
19:51.08 | dchilton | BluesKaj: krusader's quite nice -- but i'm missing the obvious, apparently. multicolumn view is ... where? |
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19:53.53 | BluesKaj | dchilton, sorry , can't find it either :( |
19:54.17 | dchilton | thx. sigh ... |
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19:56.46 | BluesKaj | peace, ffmpeg gui ? |
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19:58.53 | chronossc | Hello. I REMOVED all my panels and than plasma process died and plasma-desktop don't start nothing... how I can recover my plasma-desktop environ to re-add panels? |
19:59.40 | cb400f | alt+f2 -> 'plasma-desktop' |
19:59.48 | cb400f | .. if it won't start, (re)move the config files |
20:02.24 | chronossc | where is this config files? |
20:02.55 | cb400f | ~/.kde/share/config/plasm* ... with all the other kde config filez |
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20:13.38 | chronossc | ok, ahn |
20:13.54 | chronossc | the systray is huge, getting 80% of panel, how I put systray to ~15%? |
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20:43.44 | ercxxx___ | hi, anybody using awesomewm with kde? |
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21:09.47 | daedaluz | how come when disk activity is high, KDE goes to total halt? |
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21:21.19 | Torch | daedaluz: because it's being starved by the kernel due to the IO. nothing KDE can do about that. |
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21:35.47 | daedaluz | Torch: okay, so it's a kernel side problem. well I was wondering why openSUSE does this but PCBSD is buttery |
21:36.05 | daedaluz | explains a lot |
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21:52.30 | ErkiDerLoony | Yay! You can finally disable all the semantic crap in 4.8! My netbook is very glad virtuoso-t is no longer hoggging it’s poor cpu. :) |
21:52.39 | ErkiDerLoony | (this is not meant ironically) :) |
21:53.36 | pinotree | you could disable that since... ever (at least, i could do that in kde 4.2) |
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21:54.58 | ErkiDerLoony | Well I did. But it still kept indexing my mail or sth. |
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21:55.17 | ErkiDerLoony | And I also love the new rendering engine of Dolphin. |
21:55.20 | ErkiDerLoony | Great job! |
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22:03.15 | Arno[Slack] | ok I have an issue that I never encountered... |
22:03.56 | Arno[Slack] | I have a KDESC 4.6 on OpenSUSE 11.4 |
22:04.24 | Arno[Slack] | and my laptop crashed while connected to an external monitor |
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22:05.13 | Arno[Slack] | now my issue is : I can access to applications (I see them in the exposé but they seems to be in a space I can't reach) |
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22:06.15 | Arno[Slack] | and I can't see my panel (default panel with kmenu, task list, etc.) |
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22:06.59 | Arno[Slack] | any suggestion to get everything back in their place ? (I mean within the bounds of my screen) |
22:07.11 | wyattg | Usually you can change the resolution via systemsettings and this will get fixed. You can ALT+click systemsettings if it loads off screen (assuming you can get your mouse offscreen). |
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22:09.21 | Arno[Slack] | wyattg: already tried that |
22:09.40 | Arno[Slack] | not working and that's why I ask => I can't get my mouse of the screen |
22:10.42 | Arno[Slack] | looks like my desktop still evolve in the virtual space of the 2 screens (even if the second one is not plugged anymore and I even rebooted) |
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22:11.00 | Arno[Slack] | but I can't access it |
22:11.23 | Arno[Slack] | and I can still get the focus on applications |
22:11.36 | pinotree | try alt+f2, plasma-desktop |
22:14.46 | dysoco | Is there any way to do like an "Amarok + Grooveshark" thing ? |
22:14.46 | MaxHR | Hello, anyone know how can I get Plasma Active installed on kubuntu? |
22:15.15 | pinotree | MaxHR: #kubuntu |
22:15.23 | Arno[Slack] | pinotree: plamsa-desktop is already launched |
22:15.44 | Arno[Slack] | pinotree: nothing changed after the test |
22:15.50 | pinotree | k |
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22:17.57 | Arno[Slack] | is it possible to remove panels with a command line ? |
22:18.25 | Arno[Slack] | dumb question... I'll look at dbus |
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22:23.28 | Arno[Slack] | aaah dammit I forgot I could access the applications... |
22:27.13 | JackWinter | anyone run into flash sound not working after upgrading to 4.8? |
22:28.33 | dysoco | JackWinter: Nope in my Fedora Laptop |
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22:30.53 | RingtailedFox | be on the lookout for invite-flooder/scriptkiddie "incog" |
22:31.33 | JackWinter | dysoco: on my desktop it works, atleast with aloop and jack, didn't try straight alsa yet. on my old celeron laptop it doesn't. i'll go check what backend it uses |
22:32.12 | dysoco | JackWinter: Wich distro ? |
22:32.53 | Arno[Slack] | pinotree: do you know if it could be that I have 2 plugin=desktop in my plasmaappletrc ? |
22:33.32 | pinotree | never had a multiscreen setup, so i have no idea what's normal and what not in that file |
22:34.42 | Arno[Slack] | well... I'll backup my conf and run some test :) |
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22:38.43 | Arno[Slack] | I solved my issue... |
22:38.59 | Arno[Slack] | rm .kde4/share/config/plasma* |
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22:39.11 | Arno[Slack] | that was easy... |
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22:41.37 | o_a | Okay, so, I managed to properly configure KMail 2 with my GMail account, but now KMail is freezing anytime I try to do... anything. What am I supposed to do to even figure out what's happening? |
22:41.38 | dysoco | I installed "oxygen-gtk2", but GTK apps keep looking "gnomish", do I need to do anything else ? Restart Xs maybe ? |
22:42.18 | o_a | dysoco: You need to configure the GTK theme |
22:42.19 | alienBOB | dysoco: you have to install a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file from the package |
22:42.32 | o_a | What distro are you using? |
22:42.36 | dysoco | Fedora |
22:42.41 | dysoco | I installed it from the Package Manager |
22:43.38 | dysoco | o_a: Where ? |
22:45.19 | o_a | dysoco: I installed a GTK theme config KCM, but I'm using Arch and I don't know if there's anything similar in Fedora |
22:45.34 | o_a | dysoco: Open systemsettings |
22:46.01 | dysoco | o_a: You mean de GTK menu ? I know that it's in my Arch Box, but not here :S |
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23:59.57 | zyltoid | how do i change the kde theme for kde apps running in a non-kde desktop environment? |