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00:21.31Griz64Is this the place to get help with font sizing for KDM?
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00:27.42GentoochildGriz64: well, what is your problem?
00:28.35GentoochildI'm a mere user, but you never know...
00:29.05Griz64Gentoochild, well, i'm starting to wonder if https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177323 isn't what i'm running into. ANYhow, no matter what font size we have specified in the Kontrol Panel, Log-in Manger, the font remains the same and much too small to see.
00:30.34Gentoochildhm... I use the classic design (i.e. no themes) and I can't remember ever having problems with font size
00:31.23Gentoochildare you using a theme? or the classic design?
00:32.09GentoochildI would check 1) whether the font size you set in system settings is reflected in /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc
00:32.23Gentoochildand 2) what the font size is when you start a KDE application as root.
00:32.47Gentoochild(for the font size of menus)
00:33.02Griz64no theme other than default for Gentoo and yes, the changes ARE being saved.
00:33.30Gentoochildanother thing might be the DPI setting.
00:33.46Gentoochildperhaps your user account uses a different DPI setting than what root uses
00:34.00Gentoochildso the same font size (in pt) looks different
00:35.16Griz64negative. same settings for user & root.
00:36.36Gentoochildhm, to get a better picture... what fonts are too small? just dropdown menus? or everythingß
00:36.38Gentoochild?
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00:40.57Griz64Gentoochild, everything.
00:41.08Griz64all the changes we've tried to affect do naught.
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00:41.29Gentoochildhm...
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00:41.57Gentoochildbut font family etc. changes, right? and if you change the size, it does change, only it's too small
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00:42.41Griz64Gentoochild, i HONESTLY can't address that as it is SO very small, i 'may' have changed, but without a magnifying glass...(shrug)
00:44.13Gentoochildand if you set a really big value, like 30 times what would be normal?
00:45.27GentoochildI looked at my own settings; my user account has forced DPI set to 120, the root user doesn't enforce anything, thus GUI fonts are quite bigger. But the font preview on the KDM settings page shows the same size for both my user's systemsettings and for root's systemsettings
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00:47.00GentoochildOTOH, I enforce 120 DPI in my xorg.conf's graphics driver section
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00:47.28Gentoochildthat's strange
00:49.16Griz64;-)
00:49.17Gentoochildah crap, I'm starting to babble nonsense. It's just a different font that appears smaller, because it's much thinner than the default sans serif
00:50.05Gentoochildwell what I also try if I encounter something I can't explain is to create a new test user and log into that account.
00:50.10Gentoochildand see what KDE makes of it
00:50.12Griz64from here --> http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/425886-how-change-kdm-font-size-opensuse-11-2-a.html  they talk of changing the DPI 'can' help, but it doesn't see that Gentoo has the same file or area to set said change.
00:50.33Griz64DISPLAYMANAGER_KDM_LOCALARGS=
00:51.58Gentoochilddo you set anything regarding screen size or DPI in xorg.conf? (do you use an xorg.conf at all?)
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00:52.26Griz64since we're running nVidia, yes there IS an xorg.conf. let me look, concerning the DPI
00:52.29GentoochildI set both my monitor geometry and, as mentioned, DPI to 120. The actual DPI I calculated from physical properties is ~117
00:52.42GentoochildI too use nvidia
00:53.21Griz64negative, but i'm willing to pastebin it if you would like to look.
00:53.40GentoochildI've never heard of /etc/sysconfig either
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00:54.03Griz64yeah, i finger it's one of those Suse things.
00:54.05Griz64;-)
00:54.25Gentoochildcan you first try and move your xorg.conf away? perhaps X starts without it (as it claims to do nowadays)
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00:55.01Griz64oh it would, just fine, but w/o 3D accel and w/o the other two monitors, so..."Naw, I don't think so."
00:55.03Griz64^_^
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00:55.21Gentoochildit's just to see about the font size
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02:24.18mailsoni'm working on a improvement for Okular but i need some feedback from the users. i'm thinking about asking some questions in the kde forum but i'm not sure in which section i should ask (i'm new to the forum)
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02:32.48mailsoni'll post on 'office & productivity' ^
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02:52.27AquilasHey guys quick question. I just want to use the konqueror application, but I some radio options are not showing up
02:52.41AquilasI'm looking around for whatever extra I need to install but I can't find it
02:52.47AquilasAny ideas? this is linux by the way
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02:53.40factorI keep loosing my audio on stable debian kde 4
02:54.06factorI have to click amarok to get it back , no other action is needed except to focus and click on amarok
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03:11.19AquilasHey guys i didn't completely install the kde desktop environment because I just want to use konqueror, but the display of konqueror is not completely correct
03:11.24AquilasI'm installed it on linux
03:11.27AquilasAny way to fix this?
03:12.53smileafmay want to elaborate on what about the display isn't completely correct.
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03:15.44AquilasSure when I got to the local home folder the background is completely white, but the folder icons and names appear with grey boxes around them
03:15.54AquilasAnd when I try to connect to network file system
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03:15.59Aquilasthe radio options are blank
03:16.13AquilasI feel like i'm missing some kde package
03:16.20AquilasBut konqueror installed fine
03:16.41AquilasBut also I installed some random KDE stuff before just for Kate. I'm not sure if that effects this
03:17.00AquilasShould I just do a fresh install of everything? If so how do I uninstall these things
03:17.52smileafnot sure about the radio options, yet to do a network system since the 3.5 series. gray outlines just sounds like thats your colour scheme.
03:18.31AquilasHmm I think I should uninstall...
03:19.31smileafpersonal settings would stay the same no matter if you uninstalled or not. likewise with packages brought in would be the same packages.
03:20.27Aquilasfrustrating
03:21.12smileafwhich radio options are you refering to/needing?
03:22.47AquilasIt's ok I'm going to use a different solution for ftp editing
03:22.51AquilasThanks though!
03:23.16smileafthe side panel is hidden by default I do believe (hit F9)
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06:59.54falxx(don't do it, btw, it will draw red lines and arrows)
07:00.12falxxquestion is, how do I remove it without restarting kde?
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12:02.41BluesKajHey all
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13:27.52RichiHwhen i click on accept in an invitation email in kmail1, it complains that it can't find any writeable calendars
13:28.09RichiHi can't find anything in kalendar on how to actually start/create a calendar
13:28.15RichiHneither does google help
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13:28.52RichiHthiago: btw, to link nick to face: i was the guy after your talk at OSD after last weekend
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13:32.51dpI'm trying to set up a printer; I ran systemsettings from console, and got the following: http://pastebin.com/5MnkdBFZ -- what am I missing?
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13:40.08Peace-dp: kde version kubuntu version
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14:15.02abeis there now any easy way in KDE to configure the behavior of multi-button mouse (back foward in dolphin etc.)?
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14:55.57marisnany ideas why after upgrade to 4.8.1, task manager, KMenu and the rest of plasma-desktop has stopped to work on time? It might take up to 5 min to open KMenu etc.
14:58.09BluesKajmarisn,  did you run an update/upgrade or dist-upgrade since ?
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14:58.56dpPeace-: sorry, got called in to a meeting; I'm actually on arch. and if you can tell me where I find the KDE version, I'll be happy to tell you
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14:59.54Peace-dp: sorry i don't help guys with arch
15:00.02Peace-for me that distro is a mess
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15:00.54daimoniondp: I'm using Arch, how can I help you?
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15:02.22marisnBluesKaj: IMHO I have latest versions provided by my distro. Issue sometimes is triggered by switching between desktops, as at some moments KDE unfreezes and KMenu seems to work. Still there are no open windows displayed in task manager.
15:04.06marisnthe worst thing - all desktop elements (KMenu, clock applet, system tray, nepomuk file indexer configuration dialog etc.) are receiving events and executing them at some point later.
15:04.32marisnIt's annoying to click on KMenu, nothing -> do something else and then suddenly KMenu comes up...
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15:05.26marisnor worse - only half transparent shadow is hanging abowe all applications for some minutes before KMenu, clock, etc. comes up.
15:07.31BluesKajmarisn,  try disabling desktop effects , rebooting and re-eabling ,and if you still have problems , file a bug
15:07.38marisnit's good that alt+tab; ctrl+fn switching is working as it's possible to continue to work just navigating with keyboard.
15:08.26rdietermarisn: something like this?  http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2012/03/desktop-freezes-in-48x.html
15:08.28marisnBluesKaj: how can I disable desktop effects on startup? I can't reach system settings.
15:08.47rdietermarisn: kde (failsafe) session type disables effect
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15:11.19marisnrdieter: that description seems similar.
15:12.44rdieterin short, blog recommends updating the plasma networkmanagement code to use it's 0.9.0 release (as it now uses asynchronous dbus calls)
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15:14.21marisnrdieter: thanks for ideas. Still I use wicd to manage my networks.
15:14.34rdieterok, that's not it then
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15:15.51marisnstill I will try to attach to plasma-desktop process with gdb
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15:19.48marisnOK. Could this be the guilty one? KActivities::Consumer::currentActivity
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15:23.59marisnhow can I disable this KActivities thing?
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15:29.27marisnStill no windows in task manager, still I can click on KMenu and other desktop items :)
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15:31.22marisnOK. Can somebody explain how to permanently disable kactivitymanagerd?
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15:37.42krayonHi there.  I'm looking to run KDE 4 (4.8.0) on a laptop with Intel GMA 4500M.  Does KDE 4 (with all the plasma etc stuff) run OK on these chips or do you need nVidia/ATI chips?
15:39.04jachinThat features are not related directly with KDE. And Intel Graphic Core is more suitable for Linux system. So, You don't need more any GPUs.
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15:40.14krayonjachin: OK so it should work OK then?  I ran KDE 4.8.0 on a system with a GeForce 6000 GT and it was very pretty but I wasn't sure if it'd run OK on the Intel chip.
15:41.09krayonjachin: Thanks for the info :)
15:41.27marisnkrayon: yes, it will. "Prettines" and "speed" depend on GPU speed, the rest of functionality - not.
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15:41.35Worfintel graphics are usually quite painless in linux. really painful (if working at all) are hybrid graphic solutions. and for the effects a intel should actually do i think. don't have such one tough. my netbooks intel graphic is 3 year old and a bit too weak tough
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15:43.32jachinYou're welcome. :)
15:44.17krayonWorf: My concern is not the Intel graphics within Linux themselves but KDE's use of the GPU.  As you say, my concern is that it will be too "weak".
15:45.56krayonI haven't looked into how much "GPU power" KDE needs in order to function correctly.  I guess I'll just have to test and see :/
15:46.32krayonIt's my girlfriend's machine and she wants KDE so I hope it'll work :P
15:46.35Worftry to differ between KDE and kwin
15:47.18Worfalso not all effects are equally costy - blur is on the costy side, the rest is relatively cheap
15:47.19krayonAh, so kwin is using composite accelerated rendering or something?  Like compiz/beryl etc?
15:47.49Worfyes - wasn't that what you actually were talking about?
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15:48.16krayonWorf: I'm not sure, I haven't tested out KDE since before Redhat 5 :/
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15:49.16krayonWorf: I just installed it and tested it recently on an nVidia chip and it appears to be more "graphical" than in the past.  I'm not sure however, which components specifically are involved.
15:49.33Worfwell, except for a few 3D screensavers and things like that i don't see what apps could put the GPU to use
15:50.20krayonYeah, OK good.  So if it's just kwin, does it have the ablility to disable the hardware acceleration or is there a replacement (such as older kwin) that does not require higher end hardware?
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15:52.54Worfhum ... i don't know in that detail. maybe the plasma framework also makes use of some opengl features, don't know. and yes, things work without hardware acceleration. you might need to live without some effects then tough
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16:03.42krayonWorf: OK, I guess I'll have to just try it out and hope for the best.  If the plasma related components are also accelerated and they cannot run, she'll just have to do without them :P  Thank you too for the info :D
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16:05.47cb400fkrayon: kwin works with or without compositing
16:06.03cb400fthere's no need for an inferior fallback or other weirdness
16:06.34cb400fif you don't have 3d.. you have all the features of kwin.. except the "desktop effects"
16:06.42krayoncb400f: Yeah I was hoping that was the case.
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16:07.27krayoncb400f: I guess worst case if the GMA can't handle it then she misses out on "wobbly windows" and the plasma widget thingies?
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16:08.05cb400fI don't think plasma needs compositing for anything other than transparency
16:08.25cb400fso she gets all the plasma features too.. except transparency
16:08.52cb400fbut actually intel gfxcards should be quite kde friendly
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16:09.08cb400fonly the log-out effect sucks ass with my old intel945 gfx
16:10.21cb400fso you may want to turn that one off it the same suckage applies for you :-)
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16:21.32krayoncb400f: Great, thanks for your input.  Hopefully all will go well :)
16:21.52cb400fnever hurts to try a livecd before you install
16:22.05krayonhmm, actually yeah that's a good point.
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16:22.24krayonDo you happen to know of one that's fairly true to stock KDE?
16:22.46krayonI'll be giving her Arch since I'll have to support her and most Arch stuff is stock.
16:23.11krayonNot that it matters I guess, just for a test, but just thought if you knew of one.
16:23.42cb400fI think the only ones heavily customizing/patching kde these days are mandriva and pclinuxos
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16:43.48abekrayon: current generations of intel card should be adquate for those kde eye-candy. I still have an old Centrino with 855Gm and it runs KDE4 alright
16:45.08abenot the smoothest effects of cos... but acceptable given the hardware is quite outdated already
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18:34.04lwadeehey all, does anyone know how to reset all icons to default in KDE 4.8?  Icons in system settings isn't working at all.
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18:39.29Peace-lwade: distro ?
18:39.32JackBauer24Is anyone experiencing low Dolphin's performance in KDE 4.8? Since the update, Dolphin takes about 2-3 seconds to open and sometimes it just freezes for up to 30 seconds.
18:39.37lwadeOpenSUSE 12.1
18:40.02Peace-lwade: ~/.kde4/share/config/kdeglobals something like taht
18:40.12Peace-lwade: on that there is Theme
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18:40.36Peace-lwade:  i am not sure cuz i use kubuntu
18:40.39lwadegot it
18:40.44lwadeyup there is something there
18:41.04lwadeif I remove that entry, do you know if it will default back?
18:41.23lwadeit's got my correct Theme specified, it's just it doesn't apply properly to anything in Dolphin
18:41.45lwademuh
18:41.52lwadeJust opened a new Dolphin window and it works now?!
18:42.32lwadewow I'm confused, I'll have to dig deeper
18:42.34lwadethanks btw Peace-
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18:43.40Peace-lwade: i dunno
18:43.47Peace-lwade: here is working properly
18:44.06lwadeit seems some of the icons were getting locked with some old custom ones I had specified
18:44.16lwadethe only changes I'd made were to not remember my session upon logging back in
18:44.24lwadeeither way, my icons are now restored :S
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18:45.50Peace-lwade: i am using kfaenza http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/13/plasma-desktopcM6406.png
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18:47.18elijahWhat is the feature called that allows you to move a window to the edge or corner and the window resizes to the region specified?
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19:00.08cb400felijah: in kde it's called "quick tiling"
19:00.35cb400fon other systems it's called other things :-)
19:00.47elijahcb400f: Much appreciated!
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19:41.37EvilMachinehello. how do i change the plasma dashboard into a grid layout? i can do it with the desktop, but on the dashboard, the settings menu does nothing. (4.8.1)
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20:10.38suboptMy workstation runs a really old RHEL and KDE. When i set the keyboard shortcut for 'Walk Through Windows' it correctly shows that i've pressed Alt+Tab, but somehow kde isn't grabbing that key-combo before emacs can get to it.
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20:12.10m_tadeuhi...I'm trying to create a personal scratch repository, following this http://community.kde.org/Sysadmin/GitKdeOrgManual#Personal_repositories
20:13.01m_tadeubut when I use  git push --all git@git.kde.org:scratch/my_id/my_new_project, I get an error "fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mount parent )"
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20:13.29m_tadeuwhat's the proper way to create a scratch repo?
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20:23.26gdeburem_tadeu: just connected, so I only read your last two lines
20:23.37gdeburem_tadeu: http://community.kde.org/Sysadmin/GitKdeOrgManual
20:24.14m_tadeugdebure: the first line was exacly saying that I'm following that doc :)
20:24.25gdeburem_tadeu: ah sorry :)
20:24.46gdeburedid you ask in #kde-devel also ?
20:24.51m_tadeugdebure: it's fine :) know anything about that problem?
20:25.06m_tadeunot really...gonna do that just now
20:25.32gdebureswitches to kde-devel
20:26.24m_tadeugdebure: thanx...
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21:59.09TheSimkini am sick of kde maximizing windows on me
21:59.18TheSimkinanyone know what features to disable to get rid of this
21:59.30TheSimkini move a window
21:59.37TheSimkinVERTICALLY MAXIMIZED THAT FOR YOU
21:59.48TheSimkincertainly not what i want
21:59.55TheSimkini've disabled snapping and the corner maximize stuff
21:59.58TheSimkinbt it still does it
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22:10.28tran4I'm a senior CS undergrad. I applied to a company for co-op and intern positions: http://pastebin.com/LdAH6eaZ  Are they good? no reply from company yet but got a call from a recruiter for the same position. shuold i talk to him if I want the position? his ad has $14/hr listed. I live with my parents and they want me to get some work experience this summer. I havent had many replies for my applications so far.
22:10.30fdovingTheSimkin: system settings -> workspace behavior -> screen edges
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22:11.27TheSimkinyes, that's all disabled
22:11.32TheSimkindouble checking to be sure though
22:12.20TheSimkinyes, disabled
22:14.03fdovingTheSimkin: hum.. then i don't know. it works for me on kubuntu. maybe enable it, apply, and then disable again?
22:14.30TheSimkinit's not th edges..
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22:14.38TheSimkinit's hard to explain. it has something to do with two screens
22:14.45TheSimkinand placing the video in "certain spots" on the two screens
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22:17.16TheSimkinnobody seems to know fdoving :(
22:17.19fdovingTheSimkin: the only vertical maximize option i know of , is the 'right-click-on-maximize-button' haven't played much with multiple screens recent years.
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22:18.12TheSimkinfdoving: ok, i figured it out.... what's causing it mean
22:18.23fdovingTheSimkin: good :)
22:18.25TheSimkinif i move a window and the mouse crosses between the two screens, then it vertically maximizes
22:18.31TheSimkinbut i can't disable it still
22:19.54TheSimkinok, i used the advanced rules to fix it
22:20.03TheSimkinforce -> verticle maximize -> NO
22:20.12TheSimkinclose enough i suppose :(
22:20.32fdovingyeah, i can't do better :|
22:20.43TheSimkinbut now i can't maximize konsole
22:20.48TheSimkinbut i rarely doo. so i'll live
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22:38.23daniel3I installed virtualbox, and the kde network manager, and neither icons are showing in the launcher.  Any reason why?
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22:42.18szaldaniel3: distro question, ask your distro folks first
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22:43.31daniel3Okay.
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22:57.07bjackmandoes anyone know what the bingbongbing sysytem sound means? I hear it about once an hour but i have never been able to identify the source
23:00.40daimonionbjackman: Try this: http://www.thingy-ma-jig.co.uk/comment/7073
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23:03.53bjackmandaimonion: you think it's an error message from gpg?
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23:04.30daimonionProbably.
23:05.46marcusHi there! I remember being able to use dcop a few years back and do stuff with kde applications. It seems that dcop is not used anymore, and I can't figure out if dbus is the replacement for it.
23:06.06marcus(Basically I would like to change window settings via command line)
23:06.45marcusI remember running dcop, which would list all the running programs. Is there anything similar that can be done with kde 4 ?
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23:10.25fdovingmarcus1234: qdbus is the new command. not sure about the settings though.
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23:11.31marcus1234fdoving: oh sweet! Thanks. Been trying qtdbus... which didn't work. Thanks, that's the info I needed!
23:11.32daimonionmarcus1234: just run qdbus
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23:13.06marcus1234OK my aim is to have a script to move all my windows onto one screen on my dual screen setup  (the second screen isn't always in use). I will figure out by myself how to do that, unless someone tells me here that it's impossible to do.
23:14.47daimonionGood luck. :)
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23:16.31TheSimkinnot impossible
23:16.34TheSimkini think dbus is the key
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23:23.32hacostamarcus1234: in my case, when i turn off the external monitor usring xrandr --output MONITOR --off, all the windows come to my other monitor
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23:25.08marcus1234hacosta: right, that might be easier!
23:25.23gorudonudoes opengl es support work with nvidia driver?
23:25.42hacosta:D
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23:41.52lornerHello, can someone help me with kde
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23:42.02lornerthis is how it looks like for me: http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8387/20120314014018.png
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23:59.05tetris4lorner: that link doesnt work
23:59.23lornerwait

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