IRC log for #kde on 20120501

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00:00.30nolimitsoyalapid like an application launcher item that simply runs ssh -YC myhost myapp. how do i create one? do i write a .desktop file, what is that and where does it go?
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00:03.18juanmabclocate .desktop; pick one copy to your home; edit; the Exec is pretty clear; text format;
00:04.40nolimitsoyalapbut where do i put it to have it show up in my k menu?
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00:07.27khonkhortisanthat's different
00:07.58khonkhortisanright click the menu, click Edit Applications...
00:08.22khonkhortisango to the submenu you want it in, click New Item, and put in the Name and Command
00:08.56khonkhortisan.desktop is for actually on the desktop
00:10.27nolimitsoyalapah, cheer!
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00:24.45Belial`what's the shortcut to switch workspaces?
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00:33.15simplewi would to know what are the mouse values set in systemsettings so that i could put them in xorg.conf so that when leaving X the mouse doesnt go fast like crazy, anyone knows?
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01:09.07khonkhortisanBelial`: I always set it to Ctrl-Shift-Arrow, but that's not the default
01:10.29Belial`khonkhortisan: i actually found it about 5 minutes ago and set it to the same thing as you.
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01:13.41NJLanybody know how to get thunderbird working with the message-indicator widget?
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01:19.19khonkhortisanokay, I just found it again
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01:19.25khonkhortisantook me a while
01:19.40juanmabchow does gestures work?
01:19.51juanmabcit's click gesture click
01:19.58khonkhortisanoops I mean Alt-Shift-Arrow
01:20.07juanmabcbut click what? left, not, right, not, alt, not ???
01:20.08khonkhortisanmy hand knows what it is but I don't
01:20.34khonkhortisangestures in what?
01:20.39juanmabckonqueror for instance
01:20.46juanmabcsystem settings haves a gestures module
01:20.48juanmabcmouse ones
01:21.09juanmabclike click up click, open a tab
01:21.17juanmabcno idea what to click
01:21.26juanmabcnothing does
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01:22.35khonkhortisanalt+leftarrow worksforme, but I don't know how to do the gestures
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01:23.00khonkhortisanI can do gestures with a firefox addon, but not with konqueror
01:23.36juanmabcthey have to be enabled first
01:23.46juanmabcthen ... know how to fire them
01:25.05khonkhortisanI like the "hello" shortcut example
01:25.35khonkhortisanso it doesn't look like there's any settings in konqueror itself to enable gestures
01:26.38juanmabcnope, system settings
01:27.14juanmabcCommon Appearance and Behaviour: "Shortcuts & Gestures"
01:27.22khonkhortisanyes I'm there
01:27.42juanmabchere i have "Konqueror Gestures"
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01:30.46khonkhortisandid you click settings and the gestures checkbox?
01:31.23khonkhortisanI got it to work, with either middle or right
01:32.00juanmabcthey are checked
01:32.24juanmabcwait, it says: mouse button: 2
01:32.26juanmabc...
01:32.27juanmabc:p
01:32.31khonkhortisan3 is right
01:33.22juanmabcyep, now does work
01:33.42khonkhortisannow, do you know how to get the extra mouse buttons to go back/forward like in firefox?
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01:38.57juanmabci could guess shortcuts, but does not play mouse
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04:06.16Dan39is there any reason someone in KDE would remove files from my user home directory when /home partition reaches 100%?
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04:06.20Dan39something*
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04:27.32Dan39nevermind
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05:08.57gutzmekneed assistance with kde :/
05:09.11gutzmekdesktop env
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05:24.39divyamHi all, Can someone please tell me how can I get to code for Seasone of KDE?
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07:08.29vyrgozunqkguys good morning
07:09.21vyrgozunqkdo you have any idea why  kmail is not downloading all my emails but instead only the ones from the last 3 days...
07:10.11vyrgozunqktha last time i reinstalled it download 362 mails from all my 10 000 and now its downloading only from the last 3 days... this is ba :/
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07:59.31geekbackhello ppl
07:59.52geekbacki have a question.. which o.s has the best implementation of kde?
08:00.03geekbackits definitely not kubuntu
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09:04.06AElfwinehello
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09:04.54AElfwineis there a way to set the workgroup to bowse samba shares in kde? in system settings/share we can only set user and passwd
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09:16.08sigandersonI have a problem, often the applications bar is not loaded as a transparent bar... I don't know why, what could I do?
09:17.17cb400fthe panel? ... happens to me sometimes too... 2x alt+shift+f12 fixes it
09:17.53sigandersoncb400f, yes I noticed that works for me too
09:18.40cb400fintel gfx?
09:19.13sigandersoncb400f, no, ati radeon 5670... and this happens also with an nvdia gt 220
09:19.37cb400fhm
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10:32.44Z_Godis it a known problem that KDE4 KIO cannot connect to link local addresses?
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10:33.43Z_Godfish://[fe80::21e:ecff:fe5d:679e%eth0]/ works in konqueror from trinity but in dolphin in kde4 I get "Invalid Protocol"
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10:33.54Z_GodI can connect to non-link local addresses
10:36.19yadinhelp
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10:40.14thiagoZ_God: that address is not representable, unfortunately
10:40.23thiagoZ_God: the % character is not permitted in that position
10:40.46Z_Godthiago: why not? it's the standard notation for link local addresses
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10:41.38thiagoZ_God: I know, but unfortunately the standard notation conflicts with the definition of URLs
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10:41.57thiagothe % character must always be followed by two hex characters
10:42.12Z_Godthiago: so is there an alternative notation to access link local addresses on KDE4?
10:42.22thiagoand even if you had written %25 there, the definition doesn't allow for the scope ID anywhere
10:42.25thiagosorry, no
10:42.42thiagothe link-local notation is impossible under URL rules
10:43.15Z_Godbut then I would suggest using an alternative notation?
10:43.22thiagothere isn't one
10:43.23thiagosorry
10:43.34Z_Godaccessing local systems is kind of an important feature I think :)
10:43.39thiagoindeed
10:43.47thiagobut you can't change the basic rules of the internet for that
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10:44.23Z_Godbut do you think I could report a bug with KDE somewhere also on this?
10:44.37Z_Godit worked fine in KDE3, so I would expect it to stay working
10:44.50thiagono
10:44.53thiagoit won't do any good
10:44.57thiagoin KDE 4, it's *impossible*
10:44.58Z_Godwhere should this be reported?
10:45.04thiagonowhere
10:45.17thiagoyou could file a suggestion for Qt 5, so I may look into this for later
10:45.23thiagoQt 5, KDE 5
10:45.26thiagoit can't be done in 4
10:45.34Z_Godwhere can I do that?
10:45.42thiagobugreports.qt-project.org
10:45.49thiagofile under Qt, Core: I/O
10:45.55Z_Godalright, thanks a lot!
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10:46.51Z_GodI'm instructing someone now who happens to have KDE3 on one system and KDE4 on the other, in this case everything will work out, but it'll be problematic at some point
10:47.06thiagothe URL class in KDE 3 was completely different
10:47.11thiagoand wholly non-conformant
10:47.22thiagoin KDE 4, it's the Qt 4 class: QUrl. It's a lot stricter.
10:47.36Z_GodI see yep, then it will be difficult
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10:47.56thiagoI've rewritten that class in Qt 5
10:48.03Z_Goddo you also happen to know much about submitting patches to plama btw?
10:48.13thiagoI didn't bother with the link-local address, but it might be possible to implement it later
10:48.14Z_GodI have a custom hack here now that I'd like to see upstream
10:48.18thiagono, nothing about it
10:48.53Z_Godok, I guess I should mail about it at some point when I have a clean patch ready
10:48.54AElfwinedoes anyone know if there is a way to configure the default Workgroup for browsing samba share in kde, other than creating /etc/samba/smb.conf ?
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10:49.06AristideHi !
10:49.18AristideIts possible to add custome graphics in Ksysguard ? Exemple : Battery consumption in watts
10:49.28Aristide(I use KDE 4.8.2)
10:49.40thiagoAristide: you can't add a new measurement
10:49.47thiagonot without editing code
10:49.54Aristide:/
10:53.19juanboboanyone else have the bug with the taskbar incorrectly highlighting tasks?
10:53.41juanboboif its a bug
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10:58.42fastaSome CPU monitor KDE applet says my CPU runs at 2100MHz, instead of of at 3+GHz. Does KDE interfere with that?
10:58.46rdieterjuanbobo:  this, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275835 , perhaps?
10:58.50fastaIf so, where?
11:00.09juanbobordieter: yes, thank you, i believe that is the bug, it is pretty irritating, im surprised nobody else seems to be bothered by it
11:00.40rdieterjuanbobo: not exactly nobody, but I've never been able to reproduce it personally
11:00.54juanbobordieter: i see, which distro are you using?
11:00.56juanboboand version?
11:01.04juanboboi am using gentoo, 4.8.1
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11:01.43rdieterjuanbobo: currently using kde-4.8.2 on both fedora 16 and 17
11:01.55juanbobordieter: ok thanks
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11:04.43Z_Godthiago: the issue is here: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-25550
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11:10.40Aristidethiago: Add a feature in ksysguard for allow to add graphics from files or commands (from a number, and configure maximum, minimum, x and y cordinates) can be very usefull ^^
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11:19.52thiagoZ_God: assigned to me
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11:34.04BluesKajHey all
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12:32.31Z_Godthiago: great, thanks :)
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13:31.53PasNoxanyone know how i change the default download directory for kio magnets download ?
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13:35.46BluesKajbowser or http downloads usually default to ~/downloads as do some torrent clients and wget
13:36.07BluesKaj~/Downloads
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13:55.21GuySofthey all, is there a way to open konsole with -e, and not have it terminate when the commend finishes?
13:56.03AdapteeGuySoft: --hold
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13:58.23GuySoftAdaptee, thanks :)
13:59.09GuySoftAdaptee, is there a way to get it to return to bash?
13:59.25GuySoftor any shell..
14:00.48ironfroggyGuySoft: you are assuming it ever started a shell in the first place
14:01.01ironfroggybut -e probably does the command you specify _instead of_ the shell
14:01.17GuySoftironfroggy, ok ill try getting the script change
14:01.21GuySoftchanged
14:01.32ironfroggyor
14:01.48Sho_GuySoft: well so launch a shell and have it run the command
14:01.53Sho_konsole -e "bash -c foo"
14:06.03GuySoftSho_, I was just trying bash -e bash :) so that should do it
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14:13.35GuySoftok, next question . i want to open konsole -e, and then open another tab, using --newtab would only open a tab in the previous konsole
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14:15.20GuySoftkonsole -e bash -c "konsole --newtab -e 'bash -c top'"
14:15.27GuySoftthis does not work
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14:29.13DaZ--new-tab <:
14:31.17GuySoftok, but wouldn't it be better to move to dbus?
14:31.53GuySoftalso, newtab does not help there
14:32.08DaZyup.
14:33.55GuySoftDaz, i can't seem to get dbbus to do anything
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14:34.27GuySoftI tried qdbus org.kde.konsole /Konsole org.kde.konsole.Konsole.newSession
14:34.35GuySoftit just prints a numbe
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14:38.30annmaGuySoft: when I try this in a Konsole tab, it opens a new tab
14:39.15GuySoftannma, ah! just found the missing tabs!
14:39.23GuySoftthey were in a window on a diffrent workspace
14:39.36annmaOK
14:40.10GuySoftbut I am not sure why it opened it on a diffrent window
14:40.14GuySofti mean an existing one
14:41.01GuySoftyes, it opens a tab on the last opened konsole,
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15:01.45fastaWhy does the kdebuild when there is no source update take more than 0.001 second to 'build and install' an old module?
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15:02.58fastaIt should cache what it has built and use that to avoid recomputation. A properly written system would require just reading one byte from the file system.
15:03.02Sho_fasta: Because it's not the only thing the build system needs to check for changes
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15:03.15fastaSho_: like what?
15:03.16Sho_You could have changed the source code yourself, or your system headers could have changed, and so on
15:03.29fastaSho_: ok, fair point.
15:03.52fastaEven then, it could assume that if it is not in git, it doesn't exist.
15:04.07Sho_I don't follow, sorry
15:04.08fastaChecking for changes in git is faster then doing it the way they currently do it.
15:04.15thiagoare you talking about kdesrc-build or about cmake?
15:04.22fastathiago: kdesrc-build
15:04.41thiagokdesrc-build, if there are no changes in git, will simply issue a make install
15:04.53thiagoit doesn't know if you had installed previously. Or if you have removed or changed the installed files.
15:05.02thiagoall of that needs to be checked.
15:05.11thiagoplus, the internal files need to be rechecked again.
15:05.25fastathiago: so, it could use a lot of improvement?
15:05.29thiagono
15:05.33thiagoit's exactly like it should be
15:05.59fastaOk, I see your point.
15:06.00thiagomake doesn't track "exact file"
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15:06.13fastaI probably just want an extra flag.
15:06.15thiagoso there's no way to express that. the only thing it can do is try to install again.
15:06.15Sho_fasta: You're the "rly" guy from a few days ago, right?
15:06.24fastaSho_: who?
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15:07.00Sho_Someone named "rly" was here a few days ago who was also starting out with kdesrc-build and had, let's say, a similar outook on life
15:07.31Sho_so I was curious :-)
15:07.34fastaGreat, the more people who think not everything is perfect, the better.
15:08.32thiagoto make it better, we'd have to get rid of make
15:08.36thiagoand no one wants to do that
15:08.41fastathiago: and get rid of C++?
15:08.46Sho_thiago:  I think the next version of CMake can generate makefiles for http://martine.github.com/ninja/manual.html
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15:09.02thiagofasta: if we didn't have compiled sources, installing would be easier, indeed.
15:09.12thiagofasta: but getting rid of C++ wouldn't make the overall picture better.
15:09.26fastathiago: yes, C++ still has benefits too.
15:09.32fastaLike speeeeed.
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15:09.54fastaAlthough I can imagine that most of the code runs in Qt already.
15:09.59thiagothe most important benefit C++ has for KDE is that KDE is *already* written in C++
15:10.07thiagoto ditch C++, we'd have to start from scratch
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15:10.46fastaAren't you using cmake for everything?
15:11.19fasta(you said 'get rid of make')
15:11.24thiagocmake produces Makefiles
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15:11.44Sho_fasta: cmake generates makefiles, which are then fed as input into make
15:11.47fastathiago: what alternative are you thinking of?
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15:11.57fastaCMake has multiple backendds.
15:12.01thiagofasta: I don't think there are alternatives today
15:12.08fastaI know of one.
15:12.13thiagoSCons used to be such a system, but I don't consider it an alternative
15:12.16fastaIt tracks dependencies a bit better.
15:12.19thiagoqbs isn't an alternative yet. It's unfinished.
15:12.32Sho_I think ninja is potentially interesting as a make replacement
15:12.56muep_in my experience the makefiles produced by cmake track dependencies relatively well
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15:13.10fastaThis is an actual improvement over Make.
15:13.17fastaNot earth shattering.
15:13.20Sho_fasta: And btw, I guess you're looking for the "build-when-unchanged" option in kdesrc-build
15:13.21fastaBut better.
15:13.48fastathiago: do you do Shake? I don't know ninja.
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15:14.01thiagofasta: I've never heard of either.
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15:14.56Sho_AFAIK, ninja was written by the Google Chrome people mostly to speed up the code-compile-test cycle, with the main goal being to reduce the latency until an invocation of make actually starts doing anything
15:15.23Sho_i.e. t's main goal is fast incremental builds
15:15.32Sho_which is incidentally what this discussion was about
15:15.34fastaThen Shake is something different.
15:15.51fastaI can imagine that Shake isn't the best solution for KDE.
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15:16.03Sho_so, once CMake starts producing Makefiles in ninja format, we can use CMake with ninja
15:16.07fastaOne reason would be that it doesn't have a lot of existing users, like cmake had.
15:16.10Sho_and find out if it's really better :-)
15:16.14fastaSho_: it already does that.
15:16.26Sho_yeah, it's possible, I don't know what version it got merged
15:16.41fasta<PROTECTED>
15:16.41Sho_ah, 2.8.8+
15:16.49fastaAh, so I did know about it. :)
15:16.49Sho_"For building Blender, one user reported "Single file rebuild is 0.97 sec, same on makefiles was 3.7sec." "
15:16.54Sho_(Blender uses CMake)
15:17.25Sho_2.8.8 was released April 19th, so pretty recent all in all
15:17.27fastaFrom an architecture point, CMake is quite a good decision.
15:17.51fastaIt slows builds by only a tiny, tiny fraction, but people can port the CMake language.
15:18.23Sho_We evaluated several different build systems at the start of the KDE 4 cycle, and for a moment it almost looked like bksys was going to be it
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15:18.46Sho_But ultimately CMake came together best, had the best people behind it, and there was a very productive relationship with upstream
15:18.51fastaSho_: how did you evaluate it? Did you actually experiment with it or just from documentation?
15:18.59Sho_fasta: We experimented with them
15:19.16Sho_I.e. there were attempts to build kdelibs and other things with the respective buildsystems
15:19.27Sho_I suppose the results are still sitting around in SVN somewhere
15:19.45Sho_and of course all the discussion will be in the kde-buildsystem and kde-core-devel mailinglist archives
15:19.58fastaYeah, I read the aftermath.
15:20.14Sho_hehe, fun historical artifact: http://dot.kde.org/2005/09/11/kde-migrate-bksysscons-build-system
15:20.18fastaI think many people interested in build systems did.
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15:22.13Sho_and also http://lwn.net/Articles/188693/
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15:24.13GuySofthey all, question - when calling konsole with dbus. how can i decide which konsole process to call? I have a few running
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15:24.40Sho_GuySoft: they should register on the bus as org.kde.konsole-<pid>
15:25.13fastaShouldn't dbus also be an integrated system which is always there for every API call?
15:25.28Sho_... huh?
15:25.34fastaI noticed that lots of features are not available via dbus.
15:25.43GuySoftSho_, ok, and if i open one , is there a way to get its pid?
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15:25.53fastaOr perhaps the application uses things which don't have an API call, which is also possible.
15:26.53Sho_GuySoft: well, i guess you could find your way from the pid of the shell to the pid of the parent process ..
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15:27.40GuySoftSho_, yes i guess so, was looking for something more elegant
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15:29.34AdapteeGuySoft: if you are in konsole, you can use `qdbus $KONSOLE_DBUS_SERVICE ....`
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15:31.03Sho_fasta: As a rough overview, KDE applications usually start with an instance of a C++ class called KApplication that is in kdelibs, and which registers itself on D-Bus by default and exposes a bunch of properties and method calls. D-Bus is also the way by which things like, say, the global color scheme changing are transmitted to KDE apps. Then beyond what KApplication does many applications decide to expose further interfaces on their own, for example a media player may
15:31.04Sho_chose to implement the MPRIS2 specification. There are a bunch of ways to do this via Qt's D-Bus support APIs, from simply marking up methods with special keywords in headers to generating adapter classes from XML interface definitions and writing the code backing those interfaces separately.
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15:31.31Sho_Adaptee: right, I forgot about that :)
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15:32.27fastaSho_: yes, but now there are those that are exported and those that are not. It would be nice if every button in a GUI would correspond to something which could be scripted.
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15:33.11Sho_fasta: I'd say things don't really map that directly, a good GUI doesn't make a good D-Bus interface and vice-versa, both require care of their own
15:33.35fastaSho_: one could drag a button and obtain some unique id.
15:33.44Sho_For example the D-Bus interface has to handle enabling introspection of data the user can just *see* in the GUI quite differently
15:34.08fastaSho_: but I can sort of imagine that it would create a backwards compatibility nightmare.
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15:34.47Sho_fasta: You'd like the new Blender GUI :) If you hover UI elements in it you get a tooltip with the corresponding Python scripting API call where appropriate
15:35.03fastaSho_: if it can be turned off, then yes.
15:35.18Sho_Don't know, but it's not really very intrusive
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15:36.36Sho_fasta: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-mj1225
15:37.29fastaSho_: if I were a graphics designer, I wouldn't want to see it by default.
15:37.40fastaSho_: but it's a good development regardless.
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15:40.00Sho_fasta: Depends, the people using this kind of application are often quite technical and scripting is done quite frequently. In the case of Blender it's also related to user interface customization: The UI layer is written in Python and the code backing it can be modified by the user, so if you want to e.g. create your own dockers with your custom arrangement of buttons and associated behavior, you do that via Python, and being exposed to the API hammers using it home in
15:40.01Sho_a way.  I assume that's why they're shown by default, too, to encourage their use.
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16:53.28solifugusCan somebody please tell me how to make Amarok play..  driving me nuts looking for some way to make it actually play the dang music..
16:53.50solifugusIt's not double-clicking and there is no obvious play button..
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16:54.42solifugusoh wait.. never mind.. I don't have any speakers..
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17:05.06graenseSorry for the basic question, but I can't find an answer anywhere on the internet.  Is it possible to rearrange activities, and if so, how?
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17:14.41dyrveregraense: I don't think so, changing the order in ~/.kde4/share/config/activitymanagerrc does not do much.
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17:29.55rindolfHi all.
17:30.10rindolfhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=299186 - wow! We are fast approaching bug No. 300,000.
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17:31.15Phr33d0myeah WOW, and after that there will be 400.000 and woah guess what? :P after that there will be 500.000 and 600.000, it's magic man! :P
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18:18.21dyrveresolifugus: If you use Pulseaudio you don't need speakers on that PC if you got speakers on another computer :D One case I would recommend PA actually. Hehe
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18:27.49liznevadais there a way to get the About KDE4 standalone? without have to open a KDE App?
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18:28.01thiagoliznevada: no
18:28.16liznevadadarn
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18:28.42thiagowhy do you want to see that dialog without running an application?
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19:13.14PasNoxHi
19:13.25PasNoxi'm on kde sc 4.8.2 on kubuntu precise 64bits
19:13.35PasNoxi look for alternative to start menu
19:13.52PasNoxkick off and lancelot are being too bad and buggy
19:13.58PasNoxany other alternative ?
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19:20.13dyrverePasNox: What feature do you need in the start-menu?
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19:20.55dyrvereif needing just a means to start programs, you could switch kickoff to the classical menustyle.
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19:24.14dyrverePasNox: Or this? http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/AppMenu+QML?content=146098
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19:29.14dyrvereAnd who needs a start menu when you've got Icon Tasks? :D
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20:18.24rvallesHi. All of a sudden (not sure what I updated) I get the "run" dialog to popup without intending to again and again. I've realized that if I click the desktop then press any key, I get the "run" dialog. How do I disable this?
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20:19.53juanmabcupdates? relog/reboot?
20:20.38rvallesGentoo. kde at 4.8.2. Did reboot recently.
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20:20.58kdepepowhat do you expect to happen when pressing a key on the desktop
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20:23.01rvallesnothing at all.
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20:39.05dyrverervalles: Not sure what you did man! Run dialog = the krunner or what? Check if a key is stuck first of all.
20:39.32dyrvereSuperkey?
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20:50.28rvallesno keys stuck, no
20:50.52rvallesand the "run dialog" -> what is usually invoked by alt-f2
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20:54.59juanmabckrunner has a tool icon for config so
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21:15.27rvallesjuanmabc: so?
21:16.04juanmabcso seeing the stuff it got, perhaps there is a desktop keys plugin to disable
21:16.13juanmabcif that is really bothering, which is not for me
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21:16.37rvallesno such luck, no
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21:36.56dyrverervalles: I can invoke krunner by superkey+any other key = input that other key into krunner as well. :p
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21:38.02dyrvereunbound letter-key that is.
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21:59.45ZetaRC121Plasma Netbook on Mint12, where the hell is the option to disable tapclick? Input Devices only covers KB, mouse  and game controllers, nothing about touchpads
22:01.19juanmabcthere should be a touchpad section
22:01.26juanmabcif xorg.conf enabled
22:01.54juanmabci just discovered a corner touchpad scroller !
22:02.57thiagoit's in synaptiks
22:02.59ZetaRC121I wanna know who thought tapclick was a good idea, he needs to be punched in the face, allot
22:03.05thiagomake sure you have it installed
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22:03.21thiagotap-to-click?
22:03.32thiagoit's a wonderful idea. That's how I click.
22:03.51thiagotouchpads have been doing that for years
22:04.37juanmabci even had to modify xorg.conf snippet to add it
22:04.52ZetaRC121thiago yeah, but they click or miss click everything
22:04.52juanmabcso it works even on kdm
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22:05.18juanmabcyeah, some understanding is needed
22:05.22juanmabctouchpad course,
22:05.37juanmabcdon't tap to move, it clicks
22:05.51juanmabcmy mother does that too
22:06.23ZetaRC121or as you're typing it randomly clicks things or if you are trying to drag and drop a file it misses
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22:57.43UberPinguinCan Activities be used to store display configuration? For example, at work I have a dualhead setup. When I'm not at work, I use only the laptops LVDS panel. I'd rather not go through the manual display reconfiguration every time I dock.
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22:58.09Phr33d0mUberPinguin I'm not sure but I think it doesn't, you can test it though
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22:59.03UberPinguinI haven't had much luck so far, was hoping it was an option I'd overlooked. Is there another known way to get KDE to toggle display configurations in an automated fashion?
22:59.16UberPinguinI'm on 4.8.2, fwiw
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23:01.08Phr33d0mor post it as a feature request in the kde bug tracker
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23:14.19DorkVaderyo, my kwin has crashed... I have no klicker menu, panel, or desktop, can't right click on the desktop.  Is there a  way I can logout to KDM?
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