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00:00.04Justicewell if it is i cannot find it
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00:00.41n9nucan you look at your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
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00:07.25n9nujustice you there
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03:02.05The_BallIn earlier versions of kde/knote you could right click the knotes icon in the systray and the popup menu would include all the note names, so you could easily find you old notes, this seems to be gone in the later versions, anybody else notice? Any way to restore this behavior?
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03:07.22The_BallLooks like there is a "known" issue https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=230902
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04:15.36Alpha-Omegawhen you press get new themes and install theme, it doesn't show up under themes for the login, what am I doing wrong?
04:17.01pepeethis channel is almost dead
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04:20.23Alpha-Omegapepee, yep, idk why
04:20.28Alpha-Omeganever get any help here
04:20.39Alpha-Omegaif you use kde you're basically on your own lol
04:20.45pepeeyeah
04:21.09pepeeI stopped using kde since kde 4.4 IIRC
04:21.34pepeereally, looks like kde is getting worse
04:21.47pepeeright now I'm using lxde :P
04:22.35Alpha-Omegai love kde, just started using it a month ago or so
04:22.42Alpha-Omegait's just that support sucks
04:22.59Alpha-OmegaI'm trying to find out why after pressing get new themes, it does't show up
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04:23.15pepeeno idea, sorry
04:23.30Alpha-Omegapepee, :/
04:23.32Alpha-Omeganp
04:23.48Alpha-Omegai hate this damn themes they supply lol
04:24.48Alpha-Omegai mean it shows up installed, but nothing hmm
04:26.42Alpha-Omegawow
04:27.00Alpha-Omegait seems like this is a 2 year old bug almost and still hasn't been fixed, I knew it, it's a permission issue
04:27.10pepeelol
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04:27.35pepeewhat distro?
04:29.41Alpha-Omegapepee, arch and from what I'm reading Kubuntu as well
04:30.00Alpha-Omegahmm what is the name of the login manager window, if only I can run it as sudo
04:30.46pepeekdm?
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04:31.00pepeedon't run it as root
04:31.35pepeegive me some link to the problem, I'll see if I can help you Alpha-Omega
04:31.53JuanAnyone using bluedevil 1.2.3? It's not sending files to paired devices, but it reports that it did successfully. Had to downgrade to 1.2.2 which works as expected, wonder if anyone else experienced the same.
04:32.32Alpha-Omegapepee, I just ran it as root and it worked, kind of stupid though
04:32.39Alpha-Omegapepee, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=252201
04:33.07Alpha-Omegathat's the bug, I ended up doing: kdesu kcmshell4 kdm  and it worked
04:33.53pepeeahh k
04:34.24Alpha-Omegapepee, thanks anyway, but this has existed since like version 4.2 or something, wow
04:34.41pepeeyeah
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04:35.57Alpha-Omegapepee, idk why you switched, but KDE has everything, Gnome became a joke and I got tired of editing everything by hand all the time with a window manager, so KDE was a breath of fresh air
04:36.11Alpha-Omegaeverything's customizable
04:36.21pepeeyeah that's a great think
04:37.01pepeebut it uses lots of resources without asking you, and IIRC it has some nasty bugs
04:37.29pepeesome bugs look really stupid, like the one you just found
04:38.02pepeealso, lots of good old apps were abandoned
04:41.25Alpha-Omegapepee, one of my favorite things is Dolphin, I haven't found a single file manager anywhere near as powerful and feature-filled as it
04:41.43Alpha-Omegawidgets are nice too and since Compiz isn't developed anymore, I love kwin
04:42.12Alpha-Omegaif I had to switch from KDE i'd probably move on over to Cinnamon
04:42.51Alpha-OmegaGnome 3.x is just retarded, they basically did what Windows 8 will do, become a tablet OS
04:44.21pepeeI understand that everyone wants to fill that niche, but I don't get why the f they don't jusk make some other thing
04:44.41pepeealso, the idea that something new is always better is just retarded
04:45.27pepeeand forcing people to use the new thing is stupid
04:46.12Alpha-Omegayep
04:46.19Alpha-Omegajust make a tablet version
04:46.30pepeeyeah
04:46.44Alpha-Omegaespecially since it's linux they can just make a tablet distro with a table DE
04:46.53Alpha-Omegathey're retarded
04:47.08Alpha-Omegagnome basically locked everything down with their new DE
04:48.27Alpha-OmegaKDE just comes with everything I want - widgets, krunner, dolphin, what's bad about it, yeah, no documentation and some bugs
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04:49.13Alpha-Omegaalso wish I could get rid of the recently used tab
04:49.24Alpha-Omegain kickoff
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05:14.32eranHi. Anyone using kate? I wonder if there's a way to show a .cpp file's methods somehow so i can just to it by just clicking on it
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05:15.33pepeeea
05:15.51pepeeeran, I suppose there are config files somewhere, but I have no idea
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05:17.51eranok thanks
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07:10.45CruX|hello what is alias for kicker in kde4 ?
07:11.26CruX|ah plasma-desktop
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07:40.06SholyHello
07:40.15SholyKDE without plasma, is it possible?
07:41.04SholyI really like KDE but sometimes plasma is the thing I want to skip, exhchange.
07:42.50B-ZaRwhy not. just start kwin and use kde software?
07:42.58avoninI turned my computer on after a normal healthy shutdown and now plasma-desktop crashes on login. I created a guest account and can log in fine with that, but my account takes me to the black screen with just KRunner and my windows. I know deleting .kde will fix it, but I'm trying to isolate the problem file to save myself the hassle of recustomizing KDE. Here is the output of plasma-desktop along with the Krash Report at the bo
07:42.58avoninttom http://pastebin.com/wXKeYczk
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07:45.33avoninWhat's strange is I have and always have it set to start a fresh session when logging in, yet it keeps trying to open files from RecentDocuments on load.
07:46.11avoninIncluding a song file that I haven't touched in over a month...
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07:49.58GoodByeMegatonhello
07:50.01GoodByeMegatoni have never resolved what to use in addition to strigi/nepomuk ? in kde3 there was a great beagle front-end to these indexing services with lot of plugins and so but in kde4 it's just resource eating services and no real search interface
07:50.40avoninBefore I turned off the computer, I was playing around with Conky and making a script to set up WakeonLAN with ethtool. When it was off, I switched my two monitors' plugs.  I have since changed my Xorg.conf to reflect that though and I disabled both Conky and my WOL script.
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07:51.55leo_rockwayGoodByeMegaton: krunner has a plugin included (which isn't working for me on 4.9b) and I think Dolphing can also be used.
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07:56.27GoodByeMegatonleo_rockway: but it works in my opinion very trashy
07:56.30GoodByeMegatonprevious beagle grouped the results in several categories (mails, file content, whatever) and he re is nothing
07:56.33GoodByeMegatonleo_rockway: but it works in my opinion very trashy
07:56.41GoodByeMegatoni'm the mostly interested about context searching in emails + calandar
07:57.31leo_rockwayGoodByeMegaton: yeah... search isn't even working for me in KMail, and from what I gather from bugs.kde.org I'm not alone.
07:57.46GoodByeMegatonalso in beagle search settings pane there were a lot of plugins and you could enable/disable them
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07:58.37GoodByeMegatonleo_rockway: no problem .. we can do nothing if it is not there
07:58.50leo_rockwaythere might be something, but I'm not aware of it.
07:59.34GoodByeMegatonthere's nothing .. it's poor compared to kde3 indexing services (with the beagle as a front end)
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08:03.55avoninIf anyone cares, I found the solution to my problem. I removed $HOME/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc and all is well.
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10:14.54fiaskoAny developers around?
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10:21.22fiaskoIs there a coding convetion that should be used in KDE project? Like Qt coding convetion for example?
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10:24.28icwienerfiasko: http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Kdelibs_Coding_Style ... But other projects inside KDE can choose their own ... or ignore it altogether.
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10:30.21robotdevilIf I have more than one panel and there is more than one kmenu application launcher, is editing the menu the same configuration for menu or are they independent.
10:34.42robotdevilicwiener: watch how much your tip your chair at a cryogenics lab. Nice nick
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11:04.12fiaskoiserantes, It seems that the "ignore it altogether" option is quite popular. I made one small feature to Konsole and the changes touched few files and few functions. I saw at least 3 different coding convention styles. I was just wondering, should I try to fix them to something or, should I leave them as is.
11:04.51fiaskoThat last options just begs the question, do I need to adapt my coding convention to follow the style of each function.
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11:06.49fiaskoI've not used to any of thouse styles and it makes the developing the code even more anoying when there are so many of them.
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11:13.27iserantesfiasko:sorry?
11:14.24iserantesI'm not a Konsole developer
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11:24.22Adapteefiasko: In general, konsole follows the kdelibs coding style with some exceptions. If in doubt, use the most common style within konsole code.
11:25.05Adapteefiasko: And what is that small feature? Post it onto reviewbaord.
11:27.00dzaI'm @ school w/ a Xerox Workcentre 7346 on DOMAIN: "SKOLE", the computername is "skole172", the printer name is "OuP027-P1" I tried adding it in the "Printer Configuration" dialog from KDE Control Module via SAMBA. I tried with smb://SKOLE/skole172/OuP-027-P1 and smb://skole172/OuP-027-P1 - I tried with my SKOLE/username in username/password dialogs, I also tried just username/password. I have SAMBA service and
11:27.01dzaCUPS service running, it fails and says "Printer is not accessible", I have installed the foomatic drivers from my repository as well (includes Xerox WorkCentre 7345) . "This print share is not accessible" is all I get. What is the proper way to add a Windows printer on domain ?
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11:43.21fiaskoiserantes, That wasn't ment to for you personally. Just a general reply to your message :)
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11:44.15fiaskoAdaptee, how do I do that? And what it actually means if I do that?
11:46.06fiaskoI added an optional feature to open urls with single mouse click. That's a feature I like to have when using irssi.
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11:48.29Adapteefiasko: go to https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/ . I mean if you want that feature to be included in konsole.
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11:51.30fiaskoOk. I'll check it out. I think other users might like this as well, so I'll give it a shot.
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11:53.33iserantesfiasko:my message? what message?
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12:05.31Peace-who develops kdelibs ?
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12:45.18BluesKajHiyas all
12:45.38mac^^^just upgraded to kde 4.8  and now I cant seem to have my virtual desktop names appear in the virtual desktop "boxes" on the panel
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12:49.35Peace-mac^^^: kde 4.8 ? is old
12:50.21mac^^^Peace-: look, its what comes with fedora 17 (which is new), I cant help it, I'd rather use kde than gnome because I dont like how gnome does virtual desktops
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12:55.25mac^^^Peace-:  I just went to kde.org web site and 4.8 doesnt seem to be old
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13:05.09MrSassyPantsI would like to prevent KDE from using powersaving as long as a particular app is using (in this case vmware, I think mplayer does this by default)
13:05.37MrSassyPantsHow can I convince KDE not to powersave when vmware is running a guest OS?
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13:08.58fiaskoiserantes, whoops. Sorry. I mixed you with the icwiener...
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14:15.58robotdevilI see they work in the kmenu
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15:10.50Brian_His there anyway to have independent views in kmail, so for mailing lists its shown in thread, and inbox linear
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15:18.17einar77_workBrian_H: possible, right click on the folder w/the ML and there's a "view" tab you can use to customize
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15:18.36einar77_workright click -> folder properties
15:18.38einar77_workthat is
15:18.52Brian_Hsweet :D thanks!
15:19.08Brian_HI'm freshly migrated to Kontact from TB so I'm still learning the ropes
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16:23.13arooni-mobile__hi folks;  kalarm crashes on ubunu 12.04 64bit edition with: ProcessControl: Application 'akonadiserver' returned with exit code 255 (Unknown error) ... any ideas on how to fix?
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16:26.20MinasMazaror it takes 100% cpu usage
16:26.20MinasMazari think something wrong with templates
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16:51.07emper0rhi... i develop a python app with qt4 but i want to import marble object , but this marble is a project from kde4... what suggets?... transport all my code qt4 to pykde4? because I just make pyuic4 to generate my UI files.. and with marble have a little problem because have to do in same code pykdeuic4 to can generate same code and have conflict :| any idea?
16:52.02cb400fask in #kde-devel or figure out where marbleheads hang out
16:52.03emper0rall this is because, i want to change googlemaps by marble globe 3d https://github.com/emper0r/IVAO-status/blob/master/screenshots/screenshot-ivaos8.png
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16:52.07emper0rthanxs
16:52.38cb400fmaybe #kdeedu .. or maybe there's a marble specific dev channel
16:53.06emper0ri stay at marble channel but for now is silent.. just try to cut time to continue developing
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16:59.58emper0rthx for all
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18:04.43wilharthello, hi. Cani use compiz with kde
18:04.56wilharti just disable effects and run compiz?
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18:20.36craigevilwilhart, what can you do with compiz that desktop effects can't do?
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18:22.08liznevadai prefer Kwin over Compiz
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18:26.04mgraesslinwilhart: please be aware that the Compiz development stalled, that is it gets removed from most distributions except Ubuntu
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19:27.03fastaWhat's the exact command that get's executed when 'open terminal here' is pressed?
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19:27.44Sho_fasta: Where?
19:27.56fastaSho_: in Dolphin
19:28.12Sho_fasta: the helper menu?
19:28.38fastaSho_: right-click -> action ->
19:28.42Sho_ok
19:28.43Sho_fasta: konsole --workdir %f
19:29.39fastaSho_: I have a command, not /bin/bash, which gets run.
19:29.55fastaSho_: I expect that the %f is lost then.
19:30.19Sho_Yeah, probably
19:30.20fastaSho_: are you really, really sure it's konsole and not the standard terminal application?
19:30.25Sho_Yes, I am
19:30.30Sho_because I just looked at the code
19:30.40fastaSho_: shouldn't that change then?
19:30.56fastaSho_: I would expect it to run the standard terminal.
19:30.57Sho_Yes, but it's actually not that easy
19:31.20Sho_Because this is a helper menu, it's not a C++ plugin
19:31.27Sho_Helper menus are .desktop files with Exec= lines
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19:31.41Sho_In other words, you need a system command for "invoke standard terminal"
19:31.46Sho_and I don't think we have one
19:31.54Sho_we have C++ API, but no executaböe
19:32.00fastaSho_: ok, in which directory can I find that desktop file?
19:32.08fastaSho_: and what's its name?
19:32.16Sho_fasta: locate konsolehere.desktop
19:32.24Sho_install paths differs by distro
19:32.29fastaI think these things should be more apparent in the GUI; they are a fundamental part of user interaction.
19:32.49Sho_I'm not sure what you mean by "these things should be more apparent in the GUI"
19:32.59Sho_Specifically what "these things" is
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19:33.18fastaSho_: I mean: 'if you press this button, then action specified in <path.desktop> is executed'
19:33.30fastaSho_: it could say that when I hover over it for a few seconds.
19:33.39Sho_Right
19:33.40fastaSho_: discoverability of the GUI.
19:34.09Sho_I'm not sure if that wouldn't be considered too geeky and scary, but technically it would be doable
19:35.13Brian_Hin Kmail it used to give me the option to decrypt an email, now it just pops up with the password dialog, I'd like to have the option to decrypt or move on, does anyone know the setting for this?
19:36.32fastaSho_: it's opaque now.
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19:40.32Sho_fasta: My suggestion would be to expose it in the Services config in the config dialog somehow
19:40.44Sho_fasta: Or even give the option of editing it there
19:41.14fastaSho_: I also think that in the end an actual search engine for configurations needs to implemented.
19:41.29fastaSho_: it's quite overwhelming as it currently.
19:41.44Sho_fasta: Although I know that it's far more difficult than it sounds, especially due to the integration with GHNS there; if you edit items tracked by GHNS outside of it you're in for all sorts of conflicts especially because the GHNS API sucks, so it's kind of a pandora's box
19:41.52fastaSho_: i.e., normal users are not likely to every make a change.
19:42.00fastaever*
19:42.21fastadefine GHNS API
19:42.55Sho_fasta: There once was a pretty nice proof of concept demo that added a search field in the "Help" menu that would search menu actions and config dialog pages and show the search results as actions in the menu
19:43.44fastaOr for example pressing F1 when I have the entry selected.
19:43.45Sho_fasta: GHNS is "Get Hot New Stuff", the fd.o standard and KDE library implementation thereof that powers things like "Download New <something>" in KDE apps, where <Something> in this context is new service menus
19:44.02Sho_Also seen for wallpapers, color schemes and icons in System Settings, maps in Marble, all over the place
19:44.28fastaSho_: can plasmoids contain trojans?
19:44.45fastaSho_: i.e. anything from kde-looks.org for example?
19:45.01fastaI think that should also be communicated more clearly.
19:45.25Sho_fasta: I'm not an expert on that, so I have to frame my answer as "I don't see any reason why not" with the disclaimer of "I may not have all the information"
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21:19.51elepageAnyone know how to add an LDAP address book? I don't have the LDAP entry in "Add address book" (ubuntu)
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21:24.14robwerksI just did a fresh install using gentoo sources 3.2.12 kernel with kde 4.8.3
21:24.36robwerksand I am getting an error with consolekit not starting
21:27.18robwerks<PROTECTED>
21:27.39robwerksanyone familiar?
21:27.55elepagerobwerks: ask on #gentoo, it have nothing to do with KDE
21:28.04robwerksok thanks
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21:42.12sacredchaoI am running KDE 4.7.4 on Debian, and my .xsessions_errors file just balooned up to 40+ gigabytes
21:42.22sacredchaoAnd now my /home partition is completely full
21:42.41sacredchaoI ran rm command on the file and now it is gone, but the space is still being used up!
21:42.56sacredchaoSomeone told me this has to do with running KDE in debugging mode... is this true?
21:42.59sacredchaoHow can I disable this?
21:43.13sacredchaoAnd how can I get the OS to recognise the space as free after I rm the file?
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21:54.26elepageKDE have nothing to do about the space. The first thing I would look at is if you simply moved the file to the trash. And yes, you can use the command "kdebugdialog" to turn off abusing debug message
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22:59.33mxttiesacredchao: the file still takes space because another process still uses it. try truncating the file instead
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23:11.37Aluminis it possible to make the KDE desktop transparent?
23:12.12kdepepono
23:12.40Alumindrat
23:12.57Sho_Alumin: why do you want it to be?
23:13.25Aluminso I can use tools that draw on the root window
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23:15.16Sho_Alumin: it may be possible to write a wallpaper provider plugin that does a  fill with qt::transparent
23:16.06Aluminis that a task that could be accomplished by a non-programmer?
23:16.07kdepepoSho_, the code in plasma would have to be changed, too
23:16.20Sho_Alumin: no
23:16.31AluminI mean, other than the implied answer of "yes, first become a programmer" :P
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23:17.59AluminOK cool...not to sabotage my own feature request, but it sounds like more trouble than it's worth
23:18.14AluminI just thought it'd be cool to be able to play movies in the root window with MPlayer like I used to do back in the day
23:18.50Sho_the right way  to do that would be to write a wallpaper provider plugin
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23:20.45Aluminwell...wouldn't it be "more correct" to simply make the wallpaper transparent so that arbitrary commands that write to the root window could work without having to be re-implemented as wallpaper provider plugins?
23:20.58Aluminagain, if it were worth taking the time to do in the first place
23:21.02Gentoochildhello fellow users. My Konsole has a quite poor refresh performance. I'm running on Nvidia blob and am using the Terminus bitmap font.
23:21.19Gentoochildwhen I scroll in less, I get about 7 lines per second scroll speed on a 1400x1050 Konsole window
23:21.28Gentoochildany idea how I can improve on this?
23:21.33Sho_Alumin: no, that wouldn't be more correct because that way you couldn't get proper blending to work
23:21.46Sho_(at least not easily)
23:22.09kdepepoGentoochild, which nvidia driver version? I thought they have fixed that bitmap font issue.
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23:22.25Gentoochildkdepepo: 295.49 ATM
23:22.37AluminSho_: ah
23:22.43GentoochildI haven't tested with nouveau, though
23:23.00kdepepowhy not
23:23.09Gentoochildit's always a bit of a hassle switching around
23:23.20Gentoochildwith modules (un)loading and switching xorg.conf etc
23:25.53Gentoochildso you are saying this is a know NVidia issue?
23:25.57Gentoochild(in earlier version)
23:25.59Gentoochild+s
23:26.41kdepepoThat issue has been discussed two years ago. I don't know if nvidia fixed it.
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23:29.28Gentoochildxfce terminal is much faster, although the "framerate" is not stable, either (scrolling through mplayer manpage as a test)
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23:30.39Gentoochildno idea :-p
23:30.54Gentoochildjust sayin' *duckandhide*
23:31.29Sho_Gentoochild: are you using anti-aliasing? (yes, i know you're using a bitmap font)
23:31.51Gentoochildyes. disabling...
23:32.16Sho_Gentoochild: actually ironically it used to be _enabling_ AA that would work around the broken codepath in the nvidia drivers
23:32.27Gentoochildhm.. no apparent change
23:32.30Sho_anyway, in their non-legacy drivers it was fixed long ago
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23:35.13Gentoochildhm... I disabled and re-enabled AA, and now it's worse *g*
23:35.46Gentoochildperhaps the other windows I still have open procude additional CPU load b/c there is constant load on the X process now, according to htop
23:36.09kdepepoterminus is a bitmap font, so AA won't matter.
23:36.22Aluminok, I'm out...thanks for the answers Sho_ / kdepepo (even if it wasn't the answer I wanted :P)
23:36.38Gentoochildyeah, I know. Hence I didn't bother unsetting it
23:37.24Sho_kdepepo: It used to :)
23:37.29Gentoochildhm... I can't restart X right now, there's a badblocks run going on in one of the terms ^^
23:37.41Gentoochildforgot to use screen in the hurry
23:37.54Sho_kdepepo: Back when the nVidia driver had the bug, enabling AA would exercise different glyph caching codepaths in their XRender implementation, fixing the performance for bitmap fonts, ironically
23:38.39Sho_Gentoochild: Is badblocks running in bash?
23:38.57Gentoochilduhm, yes. in a Yakuake shell
23:39.05Sho_Gentoochild: Then you can use disown
23:39.10Sho_(and yay! I make yakuake)
23:39.17Gentoochild:)
23:39.19Aluminorly
23:39.21Gentoochildhave been using it since KDE3
23:39.27Aluminyakuake is indispensible!
23:39.29Gentoochildcan't live without it
23:39.41Sho_:)
23:40.09Gentoochildhm.. no manpage for disown
23:40.21AluminGentoochild: it's a BASH builtin
23:40.22Sho_http://www.faqs.org/docs/bashman/bashref_79.html
23:40.24Gentoochild(though I can imagine how it works, I know jobs, bg, fg and such)
23:40.26Gentoochildaha
23:40.38Sho_there's also https://github.com/nelhage/reptyr
23:40.45Aluminhaha I was just about to say that
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23:42.14Gentoochildso, if I disown it, the only way I can reach the process then is through kill/htop etc?
23:42.40Sho_yeah
23:42.45Gentoochildwell, that's not a problem
23:43.21Gentoochildthat thing must run on anyway, should be done soon (been running for almost 7h now on a 75GB disk on a lame USB2)
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23:46.15GentoochildI'll have a quick try with nouveau then
23:46.17Gentoochild...
23:46.51Gentoochilduhm wait, if I disown a job that's in the bg, will it reactivate upon disowning?
23:47.27Gentoochildso badblocks running, I press Ctrl+Z, then the process gets suspended of course
23:47.44Gentoochildah, I'm stupid -> bg
23:50.07Faither*fg
23:51.57Gentoochildbrb
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23:55.43GentoochildI switched to nouveau, Konsole scrolling is fast and smooth now.
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23:56.02GentoochildUnfortunately, 3D effects produce a garbled image. Never had that before
23:56.59Gentoochildit worked at first after login. I switched around a bit with the desktop cube. And then -- all of a sudden, the cube animation halted in between.
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