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| 00:49.09 | mac^^^ | I'm running kde 4.8 and would like to know how to get my virtual desktop names to appear on the boxes in the panel (I have 10 virtual desktops) |
| 00:49.52 | mac^^^ | I didnt have a problem with kde 4.7 |
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| 00:56.12 | almoxarife | mac^^^, you want to re-name the workspaces? |
| 00:56.38 | mac^^^ | almoxarife: I've given them names but they dont appear in the boxes on the panel |
| 00:57.14 | Sho_ | I assume you've gone into the pager settigns and set the text display to desktop name? |
| 00:57.49 | mac^^^ | sho yes |
| 00:57.51 | almoxarife | Sho_, no i did not |
| 00:58.10 | Sho_ | almoxarife: Why would you assume I'm asking you? |
| 00:58.56 | almoxarife | Sho_, well it was an open question, one could assume, :) |
| 00:59.08 | Sho_ | mac^^^: It seems the names are not painted when the panel is too small |
| 00:59.24 | mac^^^ | Sho_: let me expand the panel and see |
| 00:59.29 | almoxarife | mac^^^, can you actually read the text within the boxes on the panel? |
| 01:00.18 | Sho_ | he's not getting the text and you're asking him if he can read it.. |
| 01:00.31 | Sho_ | if he can read invisible text that would be quite the feat |
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| 01:00.50 | mac^^^ | almoxarife: expanding the panel didnt work and BTW, on 4.7 (in fedora 16) I can see the virtual desktop names in the boxes on the panel |
| 01:01.05 | almoxarife | Sho_, yes, i was wondering if it 'feasible' in the first place, thnks |
| 01:01.09 | Sho_ | mac^^^: expanding it enough works here (4.8.3 on fedora 17) |
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| 01:02.34 | rottingdead | What does KDE use to switch desktops every 10 seconds? I use a screens.sh in FluxBox, and in KDE, you 10 seconds is quickest, I have mine in FluxBox for 7 seconds, can I add to my screens.sh in KDE ? |
| 01:02.59 | rottingdead | Err, what can I add to screens.sh for KDE** |
| 01:03.09 | mac^^^ | Sho_: I thought in "Pager Settings" (where it allows us to name desktops), there was a box to check to cause it to display names in the box on the panel |
| 01:03.30 | Sho_ | rottingdead: KDE's window manager is netwm compliant, so you can use any netwm client tool to switch virtual desktops |
| 01:03.32 | Sho_ | e.g. wmctrl |
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| 01:03.47 | Sho_ | that should basically work in any DE today |
| 01:03.48 | rottingdead | Sho_: Heh, sorry, let me rephrase what I mean |
| 01:03.52 | rottingdead | I meant Background Images. |
| 01:04.08 | Sho_ | mac^^^: the name changing and the pager settings are not the same |
| 01:04.14 | Sho_ | mac^^^: right click the pager and click pager settings |
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| 01:05.12 | rottingdead | Sho_: Here's what I've gotten for FluxBox -> http://pastebin.com/63TnuJUE Can I add something to that for KDE as well ? |
| 01:05.45 | mac^^^ | Sho_: thanks, thats it! but it would be easier if I could have done that in the same dialog where I give names to desktops |
| 01:06.07 | rottingdead | mac^^^: You got me on that one, I didn't think you could rename Virtual Desktops. |
| 01:06.23 | Sho_ | rottingdead: yeah, but it's more complicated than that and i'm not sure i have the energy to explain it atm |
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| 01:06.37 | Sho_ | mac^^^: yes, but this allows you to have multiple pagers with different settings |
| 01:06.55 | rottingdead | Sho_: There isn't something like Esetroot? =(. |
| 01:07.22 | Sho_ | rottingdead: no, we're not a 1980 desktop |
| 01:07.23 | rottingdead | Sho_: Guess I'll have to deal with 10 seconds then.. |
| 01:07.45 | mac^^^ | rottingdead: its easy to rename desktops, right click any virtual desktop box in the panel, left click pager settings, left click Virtual Desktops |
| 01:08.40 | rottingdead | Sho_: Not too too familiar with KDE, I mainly stick to FluxBox, I'm currently using Gentoo, and honestly, not really as stable as I thought it was going to be.. Currently downloadig BackTrack5. |
| 01:08.53 | mac^^^ | Sho_: looks like it was the "right click" that I needed |
| 01:09.01 | rottingdead | Sho_: KDE runs really bad in Gentoo, =(. |
| 01:09.14 | rottingdead | Even with optimizations. |
| 01:09.29 | Sho_ | rottingdead: I left Gentoo after seven years in 2009, but I still know quite a few KDEers using Gentoo and they seem to be happy |
| 01:09.51 | rottingdead | Sho_: Yeah, I'm not sure where I'm going wrong, or what I'm doing wrong. |
| 01:10.24 | rottingdead | Probably due to the fact I'm using amd64, and KDE is using more RAM ? |
| 01:10.44 | Sho_ | I don't see how using amd64 would affect it (most users today do) |
| 01:10.56 | almoxarife | mint-kde is absolutely stable, makes its ubuntu sister seem weak |
| 01:10.59 | rottingdead | I've learned more about the command line in Gentoo, than I was anywhere else. |
| 01:11.04 | Sho_ | on the flip side, if you're on gentoo it would be fairly easy to throw a patch in there that changes the minimum slideshow interval |
| 01:11.37 | rottingdead | Sho_: It's okay, no sense in fussing about it.. I know very little Development, and I think it'd be a headache. |
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| 01:12.41 | almoxarife | rottingdead, bt5-kde is also stable |
| 01:13.00 | Sho_ | what's bt5-kde? |
| 01:13.05 | rottingdead | almoxarife: Yeah, I'm currently using cdrecord from Konsole to burn BT5 to DVD. |
| 01:13.11 | almoxarife | very nice job the bt5-kde'ers did |
| 01:13.36 | rottingdead | I'm more of a CLI person, more than a GUI, don't get me wrong, GUI is nice. |
| 01:14.09 | mac^^^ | rottingdead: cli is king (I'm a linux sys admin) |
| 01:14.13 | rottingdead | I have a slow dual core CPU, and takes ages to get anything in Gentoo on this. |
| 01:14.16 | almoxarife | i believe the baby jesus gave us gui for a reason |
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| 01:14.44 | Sho_ | used Gentoo on a 800 Mhz P3 when he started |
| 01:14.52 | rottingdead | This is off-topic, but what is (fifo 100) ? It's jumping around. |
| 01:15.05 | rottingdead | It's what's displayed in cdrecord. |
| 01:15.37 | almoxarife | used punch cards on a univac, he did not share the printer with the ascii art class though |
| 01:15.40 | Sho_ | fifo means first in,first out |
| 01:15.45 | Sho_ | so it's talking about a fifo buffer |
| 01:15.53 | rottingdead | Sho_: AAaah, yeahp. |
| 01:16.16 | Sho_ | wonders why you want to use a penetration testing distro when you don't know what a fifo is |
| 01:16.51 | rottingdead | Sho_: Actually, I'm a lot better than what most people would have you believe.. |
| 01:16.55 | almoxarife | Sho_, you have quite the ego sir, gigo for you |
| 01:17.24 | Sho_ | i wasn't making a statement about myself, so i fail to see how it speaks to my ego |
| 01:17.43 | rottingdead | Sho_: Didn't even use genkernel, I configured menuconfig gentoo-sources on my own. |
| 01:17.52 | almoxarife | rottingdead, the right answer is "cause it is there, an i want it!" :) |
| 01:17.57 | Sho_ | rottingdead: i used to use vanilla-sources back then |
| 01:18.08 | Sho_ | almoxarife: indeed, that's a totally fine answer |
| 01:18.11 | rottingdead | Sho_: What's the differences ? |
| 01:18.38 | rottingdead | I hear a lot of talk about vanilla in #gentoo-chat, even this day, people are still using. |
| 01:18.43 | Sho_ | rottingdead: vanilla-sources is the unpatched kernel from kernel.org, without gentoo's patchset (which back then mostly amounted to adding bootsplash stuff and other things i didn't need anyway) |
| 01:19.50 | rottingdead | Sho_: Aaaaah, Sounds to me like I would need to know a lot more about Kernel than what gentoo-sources comes with already configured ? |
| 01:20.10 | Sho_ | rottingdead: and consequently vanilla-sources takes less time to prepare, so they'd bump the ebuild fairly quickly after a new release, which was convenient because i was usually switching to the next kernel after rc2 and thus upgraded roughly weekly with the new rcs |
| 01:20.41 | rottingdead | My vmlinuz symlink is only 3.5 MiB's. |
| 01:21.15 | Sho_ | rottingdead: dunno, configuring the kernel for me means going through all of menuconfig once and then using make oldconfig subsequently ... i don't think gentoo-sources would have changed that approach |
| 01:21.21 | almoxarife | since this is the 'smart-head hour' so i managed to install and get 'prelink' to run without errors (a feat in itself) , running now, cron job daily keeps it all nice and updated, so here is the question, how do i bench-test it? and no i am not going to 'un-link' |
| 01:21.42 | Sho_ | it's possible that gentoo-source's default config differs some from kernel.org's, but i can't say (especially since i'm no longer using gentoo for almost three years now) |
| 01:22.08 | rottingdead | Sho_: Yeahp, I'm sure it's a lot different now, compared to then. |
| 01:22.44 | Sho_ | yeah, back then most people were still using portage, too, i guess by now paludis & co have taken off more |
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| 01:24.36 | rottingdead | Hua, wow, VirtualBox -> FATAL: No bootable medium found! Syste halted. I just burnt BT5, I hope it's not a bad burn.. |
| 01:24.50 | Sho_ | prefers KVM |
| 01:26.05 | rottingdead | It's fine, VB being crazy. |
| 01:26.16 | rottingdead | Isn't VB better than KVM though? |
| 01:26.51 | Sho_ | almoxarife: remember to set KDE_IS_PRELINKED=1 somewhere if you're using prelink for kde |
| 01:27.21 | almoxarife | Sho_, did, and it is running |
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| 01:27.49 | Sho_ | rottingdead: Depends. KVM tends to beat VirtualBox in most benchmarks when it comes to CPU and I/O, but as far as I know it doesn't have anything similar to VirtualBox' OpenGL virtualization |
| 01:27.54 | Sho_ | rottingdead: So it depends on your use cases |
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| 01:33.17 | rottingdead | Ewwwwww, BT5 doesn't allow you to encrypt your home folder in custom ? |
| 01:34.26 | Sho_ | I guess that's not really what it focussed on |
| 01:34.32 | Sho_ | *focusses |
| 01:37.11 | rottingdead | Sho_: Perhaps.. |
| 01:37.41 | Sho_ | At least from looking at their website (and considering that I never heard of it before 20 mins ago) |
| 01:38.25 | rottingdead | Gentoo I guess uses ecryptfs. I do know that in OpenSUSE, there's an option. |
| 01:38.53 | Sho_ | I've never really looked into the encryption stuff myself |
| 01:39.23 | Sho_ | I think the Fedora installer offers it though |
| 01:39.42 | rottingdead | Sho_: Yeah, it probably wouldn't work because I didn't add any Cryptography, but I think that's mainly for Wireless networking. |
| 01:39.59 | Sho_ | http://www.linuxbsdos.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/FedoraCrypt4-600x468.png |
| 01:40.01 | Sho_ | checkbox down there |
| 01:40.37 | rottingdead | Aaaaaah, OpenSUSE does it just for your /home partition. |
| 01:41.28 | Sho_ | Fedora does full-disk |
| 01:42.42 | rottingdead | Sho_: Sweet, I also password protect my /home partition too, OpenSUSE doesn't get through entire kernel till I input the password. |
| 01:43.19 | Sho_ | I don't really have a reason to encrypt my stuff |
| 01:43.57 | rottingdead | Sho_: I hear ya, I'm just trying to stay secure, last time I tried installing this BT5, I tried it in VB, it took FOREVER to install. |
| 01:44.29 | rottingdead | Sho_: Backtrack5 is a hacking system, hopefully I can learn something from it, perhaps make my system even more secure. |
| 01:44.57 | Sho_ | learning is always good |
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| 01:45.23 | rottingdead | Never ends. |
| 01:45.48 | rottingdead | Just like compiling in Gentoo, seems as if it never ends. |
| 01:46.42 | Sho_ | heh |
| 01:47.03 | Sho_ | rottingdead: Back when I started using Gentoo, compiling KDE would take me about 18 hours or so |
| 01:48.02 | rottingdead | Sho_: Ewwww, I know, I know, =(. |
| 01:48.17 | rottingdead | ecryptfs on Gentoo looks pretty straight-forward. |
| 01:48.25 | rottingdead | http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Encrypt_home_directory_with_ecryptfs |
| 01:48.27 | Sho_ | I agree with your sentiment however, Gentoo made me learn a lot back then |
| 01:48.39 | Sho_ | I likely wouldn't have become a KDE developer without it |
| 01:48.51 | rottingdead | Sho_: Oh, it has me, I've learned more about CLI in Gentoo, than I ever would have in Arch Linux, or (K)Ubuntu. |
| 01:52.04 | rottingdead | Sho_: Perhaps you can guide me here, I'm froze on this part http://pastebin.com/Q7X9xxtK The parts that hass [...] is that required? Haha, only a moron like me would ask such, so it's why they don't say if it's needed or not, =P. |
| 01:53.00 | Sho_ | rottingdead: [...] is commonly a placeholder that means "in the real thing there is more stuff here" |
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| 01:54.33 | Sho_ | rottingdead: that's quoted from, http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Ecryptfs#Prepare_PAM right? the instructions there are to place those new lines below and above certain other lines in the file, so they only reproduced the relevant lines and show the rest just as [...] |
| 01:55.26 | rottingdead | Sweet, BT5 has the shutdown command, OpenSUSE doesn't, ugh !! |
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| 02:03.17 | rottingdead | Why couldn't Windows ever be this good? =P. |
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| 02:11.18 | DaZ | isn't shutdown alias to halt, or something? :f |
| 02:11.44 | rottingdead | DaZ: shutdown -r now (-r = Reboot) ; shutdown -h now (-h = halt). |
| 02:12.01 | rottingdead | DaZ: Must be root though. |
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| 02:12.46 | rottingdead | Can't remember where I read, but it said I should use shutdown rather than reboot in a TTY Console. |
| 02:13.15 | DaZ | init 0, init 6 ;f |
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| 02:13.34 | rottingdead | Yeahp, init 0 or init 6 works as well. |
| 02:14.03 | rottingdead | Which does KDM use? init, or shutdown ? |
| 02:16.08 | Sho_ | init 0 and init 6 are deprecated crap on modern init systems |
| 02:16.23 | rottingdead | Sho_: So, what does KDM use then ? |
| 02:16.55 | Sho_ | probably poweroff and shutdown -r |
| 02:17.15 | rottingdead | Sho_: Aaaah, didn't realize there was a poweroff command. |
| 02:17.47 | Sho_ | which on a fedora or recent opensuse system is just a symlink to systemctl |
| 02:17.51 | rottingdead | Yeahp, BT5 is garbage, sadly to say. |
| 02:17.53 | Sho_ | same for shutdown |
| 02:20.33 | rottingdead | What kpackagekit effs up on, konsole can get around it, =P. |
| 02:23.02 | Sho_ | or yakuake |
| 02:23.08 | Sho_ | *shameless plug* |
| 02:24.27 | rottingdead | Sho_: Yeahp, never did like kpackagekit, I normaally use CLI, but since this is BT5(Rip-Off) of Ubuntu, figured I'd use it. |
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| 02:39.57 | DouglasK | Can Kopete connect to AOL / AIM chat rooms? |
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| 02:42.25 | DouglasK | if it helps any, this is the url format that launches a chat room in AIM and Pidgin: aim:GoChat?RoomName=baenbarchat&Exchange=5 |
| 02:45.01 | rottingdead | DouglasK: Sorry, can't ya, I use Pidgin. |
| 02:45.47 | DouglasK | rottingdead, no worries, thanks for the reply. I know it works on Pidgin in Windows, I'm just trying to see if I can do this with pure KDE. |
| 02:46.00 | rottingdead | Anybody ever realizee how powerful kdevelop is? Heh, it can literally play Movies !! |
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| 02:46.14 | DaZ | wat |
| 02:46.33 | rottingdead | DaZ: Yeah !! I accidentally opened the wrong file, accidentally clicked on a moviee, kdevelop can play it ! Haha. |
| 02:48.08 | Sho_ | that's just a consequence of the KParts system |
| 02:48.19 | rottingdead | Backtrack looks pretty intriguing, I may install this to my hard drive instead, I do have to figure out how to get my nvidia drivers installed, and find a way to blacklist nouveau. |
| 02:48.26 | liznevada | speaker channel on Kmix is always muted on login... |
| 02:49.19 | rottingdead | Ewwww, never mind, it's installing old versions of stuff, yuck !! Blender the older version gets installed, I'd rather have the latest. |
| 02:50.41 | leo_rockway | DouglasK: you might want to check empathy too... |
| 02:50.56 | leo_rockway | erm... telepathy |
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| 02:57.56 | rottingdead | Anybody else ever try out this Backtrack 5 ? |
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| 03:03.47 | DouglasK | leo_rockway, thanks... will do. |
| 03:05.01 | leo_rockway | rottingdead: backtrack is not for everyday usage, IIRC. It's more of a security distro. |
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| 03:09.55 | rottingdead | Where's this systemctl file located ? |
| 03:10.54 | Sho_ | on backtrack? nowhere |
| 03:11.06 | rottingdead | Sho_: No, was thinking of Gentoo here. |
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| 03:14.39 | rottingdead | Just better off running Kubuntu 11.04 or whatever. |
| 03:14.54 | Sho_ | I can recommend Fedora |
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| 03:30.00 | rottingdead | Sho_: Want to see what I've got so far on my Program I'm writing in Qt ? |
| 03:30.12 | Sho_ | sure |
| 03:30.32 | rottingdead | http://ompldr.org/vZTJlcQ/TextEditor.tar.bz2 Do you have Qt installed? It might need a recompile if you're on x86. |
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| 03:31.04 | Sho_ | I'm in KDE, therefore I have Qt installed ;) |
| 03:31.24 | rottingdead | Aaaah, if you're on x86, just cd into TextEditor, and type makee. |
| 03:32.34 | Sho_ | some sort of IDE I take it |
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| 03:32.47 | rottingdead | Nothing is really functional, just doing the design stuff for now. |
| 03:33.03 | rottingdead | Haven't really worked on it in a few days. |
| 03:34.44 | Sho_ | What's split about the Split View? |
| 03:35.17 | rottingdead | It'll have both a graphical area and the coding area. |
| 03:35.27 | rottingdead | Something like you'll find in DreamWeaver. |
| 03:35.44 | Sho_ | So it's meant to be a web editor in the end? |
| 03:36.11 | rottingdead | If it goes well, in splitview, it should auto-update in real time to what the code is inside the code view.. |
| 03:36.25 | rottingdead | Sho_: Nope, no browser, just a HTML Editor. |
| 03:36.41 | Sho_ | That's what I meant more or less |
| 03:36.50 | Sho_ | Maybe you should look into contributing to Quanta+ |
| 03:37.36 | rottingdead | Hua, no can do, what you see is about all I know. |
| 03:38.03 | rottingdead | For right now, I'm still learning Qt. |
| 03:38.08 | Sho_ | You should avoid all these resize() and setGeometry() calls with hardcoded values |
| 03:39.01 | rottingdead | Yeah, was just trying to keep Windows all the same size and in same area. |
| 03:42.00 | rottingdead | Me myself, especially with GTK Apps, like Pidgin, that has Windows decide to go wherever FluxBox decides to put 'em, I've always liked them in the center of the screen. |
| 03:42.11 | rottingdead | Err, Window Manager* |
| 03:42.29 | rottingdead | Err, times two, heh. |
| 03:42.44 | rottingdead | You get what I mean. |
| 03:42.55 | Sho_ | yeah, but obviously the center at the screen is not at 380, 250 for everyone |
| 03:42.59 | Sho_ | *of the |
| 03:44.25 | Sho_ | Ironically, I just finished a bout of Qt programming myself that involved a lot of manual sizing and positioning of widgets (out of necessity) |
| 03:46.41 | rottingdead | Sho_: Yeahp, haven't quite figured out how to make it in mathematical terms using the / 2 functions to work on all monitors. |
| 03:47.02 | Sho_ | well you should leave window placement up to the window manager |
| 03:48.14 | rottingdead | Yeaah, guess I should remove the geometry, and just add a resize() event. |
| 03:50.08 | rottingdead | Or just remove the resize() Geomety() stuff altogether, and just drag to resize. |
| 03:50.16 | Sho_ | I just finished a redesign/rewrite of Konversation's topic dialog, which involves manually sizing and placing that conditionally appearing warning widget relative to the size and position of the text field and keeping it in sync across resizes and moves: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-je1183 (and actually also a third widget below the warning and text field to fill in the gap next to the qframe's viewport with the viewport's background brush, nasty hoop to jump |
| 03:50.17 | Sho_ | through) |
| 03:50.43 | Sho_ | but i think the result was worth it |
| 04:04.59 | rottingdead | Hua, noticed some class types that were invalid as well. |
| 04:07.14 | rottingdead | Anyway to make KDE show 24-H Clock, rather than 12-H ? |
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| 04:11.03 | Sho_ | rottingdead: In the locale settings in System Settings |
| 04:12.16 | rottingdead | Regional Settings? |
| 04:12.41 | Sho_ | yeah |
| 04:14.18 | rottingdead | By adding my chosen languages ? |
| 04:14.25 | Sho_ | no |
| 04:14.41 | Sho_ | the Date & Time tab |
| 04:14.54 | rottingdead | Still going to add German to the list though.. |
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| 04:15.33 | Sho_ | I'm German too, but I usually use English on computers |
| 04:16.51 | rottingdead | Sho_: Heh, I'm American, but still prefer my German stuff. |
| 04:17.21 | rottingdead | Aaaaw, it didn't do anything. |
| 04:20.01 | rottingdead | Messing around with Kubuntu in VirtualBox. |
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| 04:21.00 | rottingdead | The date on the panel is still displaying 12-H clock. |
| 04:21.51 | Sho_ | rottingdead: You may have t orestart Plasma, changing the format in reatime was only fixed in recent versions |
| 04:21.56 | Sho_ | (or remove and readd the clock) |
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| 07:07.06 | simpsonetti_W | hi, how do i turn off asking for server authentification ? |
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| 07:25.35 | robotdevil | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/29677/ |
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| 07:32.59 | robotdevil | instead my workaround is putting /usr/bin/firefox -display :0.0 which is kinda silly |
| 07:33.13 | robotdevil | in the kmenu editor |
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| 08:05.24 | user_9659595 | krunner is crashing on my system some info http://pastebin.com/SqgfAJSi |
| 08:05.49 | user_9659595 | running on debian |
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| 08:51.28 | leo_rockway | does anybody else on KDE 4.9b with Intel graphics notices that effects like looking glass or cover switch are shaky? |
| 08:51.51 | leo_rockway | because it definitely looks like my screen is having some sort of sizeure... :S |
| 08:51.58 | leo_rockway | unfortunately I can't record it |
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| 08:59.29 | sankey | gtk has smooth scrolling, and gnome uses it in almost all their programs now |
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| 09:00.10 | sankey | pixel-perfect smooth scrolling, not that fake stuff (like in firefox) |
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| 09:15.26 | jpjacobs | Hi! What's the prefered application on a typical KDE system to sync a palm with (this oldschool, no phone calendar-and-note things) |
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| 09:17.47 | danboid | jpjacobs: Kpilot I think but I've never used it |
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| 10:57.52 | yuer | If I want to experience kde with QT5, which packages should I download? QT5, kdelibs-frameworks and ...? |
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| 11:09.30 | rindolf | yuer: what is your distribution? |
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| 11:11.39 | cb400f | yuer: what else do you want to experience? breathing under water? |
| 11:11.56 | rindolf | yuer: see http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=99284 |
| 11:12.16 | rindolf | cb400f: no need to be rude. |
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| 11:13.42 | yuer | rindolf: LFS. Thanks. |
| 11:15.04 | rindolf | yuer: Linux from scratch? |
| 11:15.49 | yuer | rindolf: yes |
| 11:16.13 | rindolf | yuer: ah. |
| 11:16.27 | rindolf | yuer: I don't have a lot of experience with it. |
| 11:20.10 | yuer | rindolf: :) I have used it for several years. |
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| 11:22.42 | Sho_ | yuer: There is no KDE using Qt 5 |
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| 11:24.38 | yuer | Sho_: oh. |
| 11:25.26 | Sho_ | yuer: You're on the right track with frameworks, except frameworks has not been ported to Qt 5 yet, and there is no workspace or app using frameworks yet |
| 11:25.34 | Sho_ | yuer: iow, check back later |
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| 11:27.50 | yuer | Sho_: i always visit projects.kde.org to see the progress of kde. Thanks any way. |
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| 11:35.53 | shlomif-rsip | Hi all. How can I enable the OpenGL desktop effects backend for KDE-4.8.3 on Kubuntu? I noticed my OpenGL Vendor ID is "VMware Inc." - is this OK? I am using the video-radeon driver. |
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| 11:40.24 | yuer | shlomif-rsip: you kunbuntu is running in a virtual machine? |
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| 11:42.57 | shlomif-rsip | yuer: no, it's not. |
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| 11:45.08 | yuer | shlomif-rsip: maybe you can paste your Xorg.log~~ |
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| 11:46.55 | shlomif-rsip | yuer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1024892/ |
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| 11:50.21 | yuer | shlomif-rsip: X server said: [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported, GPU only supported with KMS, using vesa instead." |
| 11:50.57 | yuer | yuer: Opensource ATI driver can only run with modesetting enabled. |
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| 11:56.03 | shlomif-rsip | Hi all. |
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| 11:56.23 | shlomif-rsip | yuer: OK, now I have modesetting enabled and it is working. |
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| 12:00.09 | CMoH | hey. how can i set KMail2 to prefer plain-text when creating new messages? |
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| 12:08.55 | yuer | CMoH: My Kmail2 will remember the setting after changing the Option->Formatting (HTML) |
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| 12:15.52 | CMoH | yuer, thanks |
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| 12:23.52 | rindolf | yuer: just for your information - I am also "shlomif-rsip" - just logged in there from a different machine. |
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| 12:29.00 | yuer | rindolf: :) |
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| 13:19.24 | BluesKaj | hi all |
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| 13:21.18 | rindolf | BluesKaj: hi. |
| 13:21.32 | BluesKaj | hi rindolf |
| 13:22.43 | BluesKaj | trying out a new kubuntu based OS called Netrunner , altho it contains plenty of gtk aps and libs, mostly media stuff |
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| 13:29.46 | craigevil | its the *buntu part that makes it suck :) |
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| 13:41.17 | BluesKaj | craigevil, oh , which wonderous OS are you running ? :) |
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| 13:41.48 | craigevil | runs Debian Sid |
| 13:42.28 | craigevil | which was installed on my desktop back in Feb 2004, and on this ancient Thinkpad in Feb 2010 |
| 13:44.31 | BluesKaj | well, not exactly up to date , with great support :) |
| 13:45.35 | craigevil | i run daily apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade so yeah it is up to date |
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| 13:45.41 | craigevil | running kde 4.8.3 |
| 13:45.43 | BluesKaj | debian's ok ..glad you don't believe in hair shirt OSs like gentoo |
| 13:46.25 | craigevil | over eight yrs without having to reinstall on my desktop |
| 13:47.07 | BluesKaj | really ? that must be a record ! |
| 13:47.52 | craigevil | debian or slackware are both good about not having to reinstall |
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| 13:48.56 | BluesKaj | I've been a constant linux user for 7 yrs , 6 of those with kubuntu |
| 13:49.55 | craigevil | kanotix>xandros>sidux>Debian |
| 13:50.22 | Phr33d0m | BluesKaj 6 of those you've been a windows user |
| 13:50.59 | BluesKaj | oh , I tried those other "hat" OSs and a debian of course , but kubuntu suits me just fine |
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| 13:52.55 | BluesKaj | Phr33d0m, yeah right .. |
| 13:54.01 | Phr33d0m | Ubuntu is an African word meaning, "Slackware is too hard." |
| 13:54.28 | craigevil | or "Can't configure Debian" :) |
| 13:55.18 | BluesKaj | I'm not out to prove that I'm geekier or nerdier than the next guy , i just prefer the safety and open source advantages of a linux system |
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| 13:56.04 | BluesKaj | Phr33d0m, I've run slackware ..it's ok , just not my cuppa tea |
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| 13:57.41 | BluesKaj | and debian as well .. anyway a pissing contest about OSs is dumb |
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| 13:59.59 | craigevil | hasn't really bothered with other distros in years |
| 14:00.12 | craigevil | i used to play around with new distros in virtualbox |
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| 14:03.21 | BluesKaj | I've always had a couple of test HDDs to run alpha and beta releases on , with the main drive running the stable or LTS |
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| 15:11.54 | eran | anyone's working with kate? is it possible to have two tabs of terminal? |
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| 15:16.56 | BluesKaj | eran, yes for terminal tabs, click settings , configure current profile, tabs, click the "show new tabs" |
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| 15:18.32 | eran | I tried that, but no buttons will appear |
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| 15:20.16 | BluesKaj | on the bottom left ? |
| 15:20.42 | eran | nope |
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| 15:26.53 | eran | no other ideas? I just want two terminals there |
| 15:27.37 | BluesKaj | why not just open 2 then |
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| 15:28.14 | eran | 2 kates? |
| 15:28.25 | eran | im working with 13"..thats too much windows for me :-) |
| 15:29.56 | BluesKaj | ithought you wanted 2 terminals |
| 15:30.18 | eran | yeah, those ones builtin inside kate |
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| 15:34.09 | BluesKaj | yeah , I've used only one , usually I open a terminal in dolphin , not much reason to open them in kate |
| 15:34.49 | eran | Yeah i guess there's no choice, but its very nice and handy |
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| 16:05.56 | davids86 | ciao |
| 16:05.58 | davids86 | !list |
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| 16:06.25 | weox | hello .. is it possible to change widget style ?? (system setting -> style -> widget style ) |
| 16:06.48 | cb400f | of course it is |
| 16:06.49 | DaZ | why not? |
| 16:07.08 | weox | cb400f: so where can i download new style for it ?? |
| 16:07.28 | cb400f | install them with your package manager.. talk to your distro |
| 16:07.43 | weox | cb400f : thanks |
| 16:07.53 | cb400f | wonders what distro only installs a single widget style by default |
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| 16:14.37 | subopt | I'm running a pretty old version of RedHat and KDE at work. How do i find out what my KDE version is? |
| 16:15.00 | cb400f | Help -> About KDE .. in a random kde app |
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| 16:16.06 | leo_rockway | eran: if you cannot run another terminal, you can always use screen. |
| 16:16.16 | subopt | cb400f: thankx |
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| 16:20.21 | subopt | I'm running kde v3.5.4. The sound apps aren't all installed, and i don't have root on this box. I want gaim to play a tone when i get an incoming IM. Can i tell it to use kde's sound facilities to play the wav file? |
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| 16:22.03 | cb400f | hehe.. talk about a blast from the past :-) |
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| 16:22.22 | cb400f | how many years ago did gaim switch name to pidgin? :-) |
| 16:23.24 | cb400f | seem to remember it could use alsa directly to play sounds |
| 16:23.53 | cb400f | but not sure.. maybe you should try asking in #pidgin (assuming it exists) .. or just use kopete ;-) |
| 16:24.13 | subopt | cb400f: thx |
| 16:25.10 | craigevil | good lord what distro has kde 3.5.4? |
| 16:25.30 | cb400f | I'm guessing RHEL5 |
| 16:25.36 | DaZ | isn't gaim pretty retro aswell? :f |
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| 16:27.36 | craigevil | whichever distro it is put it out of its misery |
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| 16:28.23 | n9nu | actually, AOL did |
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| 16:28.58 | craigevil | even debian stable has kde 4.4 |
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| 17:19.17 | weox | hello .. which compression software should i use ( i want extract here sub menu) , i already installed file roller but i dont have "Exract here" sub menu for my zip or rar file?? |
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| 17:21.23 | ezakimak | how come you can ctrl+mouse-up to scale an image larger, but you can't ctrl+mouse-down to make it smaller? |
| 17:21.27 | ezakimak | (in konqueror) |
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| 17:28.28 | Phr33d0m | weox you don't need gnome's archive utility, kde's one is "ark" |
| 17:29.01 | Phr33d0m | weox also, you need to install other utilites such as rar/unrar (if you want to decompress rar archives), p7zip (for 7z and others), etc... |
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| 17:31.28 | leo_rockway | and for the system menu... weox, I think you get it when you install ark. |
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| 17:39.22 | weox | Phr33d0m : thanks .. it worked wonderfully |
| 17:39.32 | Phr33d0m | you're welcome |
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| 17:43.26 | craigevil | right click extract |
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| 17:43.51 | craigevil | behold the awesomeness of ark |
| 17:45.11 | cb400f | wonder if Ark is also responsible for Dolphin being able to browse archives like folders |
| 17:45.32 | cb400f | I just love that |
| 17:45.50 | Phr33d0m | yes |
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| 18:08.36 | weox | i have issue with my sound card . in multimedia (sytem setting ) ,in device prefrences . when i click test. sound is ok .but in audio hardware tab nothing play ... |
| 18:10.14 | tgary | Hi! I just upgraded to KDE 4.8, and the window switcher doesn't show up _all_ windows during alt+tab. How can I configure it to display all the open windows compactly? |
| 18:13.53 | Phr33d0m | tgary it should do it out-of-the-box |
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| 18:18.53 | tgary | Phr33d0m: No, the "window preview" displayed during alt+tab became larger, and only a few fits in the window. To see the others I must scroll it. |
| 18:19.29 | tgary | Phr33d0m: A few window preview fits in the window switcher. |
| 18:20.41 | Phr33d0m | box / cover or flip switch is that? |
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| 18:20.54 | CruX| | hello |
| 18:21.16 | CruX| | if I change keyboard layout from qwertz to qwerty (slovak to english keyb layout) |
| 18:21.25 | CruX| | ctrl-z is ctrl-y |
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| 18:21.36 | CruX| | is it kde problem ? |
| 18:23.30 | tgary | Phr33d0m: It is box switcher (I think). |
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| 18:25.23 | Phr33d0m | tgary it's how it works now |
| 18:25.24 | tgary | Phr33d0m: It displays the thumbnails of the windows, but if I have many open windows (~6) I must scroll this to see the 6th. |
| 18:25.27 | Phr33d0m | you can't change it |
| 18:25.49 | tgary | Phr33d0m: So it is a development of 4.8? |
| 18:26.08 | Phr33d0m | yes iirc, I don't remember it that way back in 4.7.4 |
| 18:27.02 | tgary | Phr33d0m: I think the old behavior was more handy, as I saw all the windows, and could choose one with a mouse click. That I don't want to see, I put them to another desktop. |
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| 18:27.40 | tgary | Phr33d0m: Anyway, thanks the help. I'll try the compact mode, or switch off desktop effects, if it helps. |
| 18:27.45 | tgary | Phr33d0m: Thanks the help! |
| 18:27.51 | Phr33d0m | np |
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| 18:53.20 | daviddoria | when typing in Konsole, about half of the time when my text needs to wrap it does not do so properly. It is a very tough problem to explain, so I thought I'd throw it out there and see if anyone has a clue what I'm talking about and knows if it is a known issue or if there is something that can be done to fix it? |
| 18:53.59 | cb400f | maybe provide a screenshot.. and state your kde version and distro |
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| 19:12.22 | weox | hello .. i dont have any alsaconf command , i already installed alsa and alsa-oss ,, but my sound in kde dosnt work . what is my problem? |
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| 19:18.34 | AL13N | weox: you have sound outside of KDE? |
| 19:18.56 | shal3r | Is it possible to define a part of screen which will not be covered by maximazed windows? For example, a always visible sidebar for widgets. |
| 19:18.57 | AL13N | so, you're likely talking about phonon settings then? |
| 19:19.49 | weox | AL13N : yes ... i had sound in gnome today before i change my desktop to KDE , and another thing in kde , in multimedia , first tab i have sound . but i dont have sound in any other app |
| 19:20.33 | weox | this error is what mplayer gave to me ; [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 19:21.41 | AL13N | weox: why would mplayer use oss? |
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| 19:22.03 | AL13N | mplayer has iinm native alsa support, pulseaudio, etc... |
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| 19:22.23 | AL13N | in any case /dev/dsp has nothing to do with mplayer |
| 19:22.37 | AL13N | if mplayer is not using phonon, it has nothing to dow ith KDE either |
| 19:22.44 | AL13N | better go get help in #alsa |
| 19:23.11 | weox | AL13N : it is not about mplayer. it is about KDE , when some warrning message come from program (like error) their sound dosnt play |
| 19:23.12 | cb400f | start with asking your distro |
| 19:23.45 | AL13N | it sounds like phonon isn't setup correctly |
| 19:23.57 | AL13N | but who knows, maybe your pulseaudio crashed |
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| 19:33.16 | leo_rockway | weox: I get pulseaudio errors on some apps too, because pulseaudio can't be initialized (I don't have it), but then it fallbacks to alsa and it works just fine. |
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| 20:39.16 | sergiomb | hi Im trying use ktp (kde telepathy) and when try plug web cam I got org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Error.NotAvailable: Handler no longer available in F17 , any idea ? but empathy (gnome telepathy) works well |
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| 21:04.08 | shal3r | Is it possible to define a part of screen which will not be covered by maximazed windows? For example, a always visible sidebar for widgets. |
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| 21:07.14 | br0cc0li | shal3r: i don't know if it's possible to define a certain area by hand but you could put your widgets into a panel, that is placed on the side |
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| 21:11.31 | shal3r | br0cc0li, yeah, i did that. widgets in vertical panel are buggy and looking bad |
| 21:12.50 | br0cc0li | shal3r: hmm, unfortunately i don't have another solution, i'm sorry |
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| 21:13.32 | shal3r | custom background for specific panel also is not possible, right? |
| 21:13.58 | WillPittenger | What are activities in KDE4? |
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| 21:14.51 | br0cc0li | shal3r, afaik no, that's not possible |
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| 21:18.47 | br0cc0li | WillPittenger: i'm not sure, but i thought activities are "sets" of virtual desktops, plasmoids and applications |
| 21:19.12 | WillPittenger | doesn't use virtual desktops. 1 is enough. |
| 21:19.34 | br0cc0li | screencast that shows the use of activities: https://blip.tv/chanis-kde-screencasts/activities-in-kde-sc-4-5beta1-3685388 |
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| 21:20.49 | WillPittenger | Also, I've imported my Windows fonts into several distros. Each time, KDE3 or KDE4 thinks that Courier New is a proportional font when it is actually fixed width. |
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| 21:23.49 | leo_rockway | I use 8 virtual desktops, no activities. |
| 21:26.34 | sankey | is there a single checkbox somewhere to disable panel translucency? |
| 21:27.50 | sankey | i suppose there's "air for netbooks" but doesn't that have more side-effects? |
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| 21:40.45 | Decagon | Dist: Sabayon / Kde: 4.8.3 - Anyone know what might be causing bluedevil-monolithic to stop working a few seconds after logging in. (It works in a fluxbox session) |
| 21:41.22 | Phr33d0m | /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart ? |
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| 21:41.49 | Phr33d0m | and define "stop working" ? |
| 21:42.34 | Decagon | the icon is visable and opens up the usual menu. then after a few seconds the icon dissapears and running bluedevil-monolithic just hangs |
| 21:44.03 | Decagon | restart does not work, and manually killing and restarting bluedevil results in the same hang. |
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| 21:44.45 | Phr33d0m | anything interesting in dmesg? |
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| 21:46.00 | Decagon | not that i can tell, ill pastebin it if you want. |
| 21:46.54 | Phr33d0m | most probably I won't be able to help you... sorry |
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| 21:50.35 | Decagon | i tried enabling kdebugdialog for bluedevil but it didt seem to add anything. |
| 21:52.00 | Decagon | is there another channel where i should be asking this question |
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| 21:57.27 | WillPittenger | So none of you has any knowledge why KDE thinks Courier New is a proportional font? |
| 21:58.31 | kde_pepo | WillPittenger, what does QFont::fixedPitch() return for the font? |
| 21:59.02 | WillPittenger | How would I know? I'm looking at KDE's own windows. |
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| 22:05.21 | WillPittenger | kde_pepo: In the KDE configuration panels, Courier New is listed as a proportional font. I'm not coding. |
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| 22:47.17 | fasta | It appears that the whole plasma shell is dead, but I still have my applications running. How can I get it in a correct state again? |
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| 22:47.49 | sacredchao | My run dialogue box stopped working (what is it called, krunner?) |
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| 22:47.59 | Phr33d0m | fasta $ pkill -KILL plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop & |
| 22:48.06 | Phr33d0m | sacredchao yes |
| 22:48.14 | sacredchao | I just reboot and now it won't show up with the configured hotkey |
| 22:48.21 | fasta | Phr33d0m: is that not going to kill all my applications? |
| 22:48.34 | Phr33d0m | fasta no, only the plasma environment |
| 22:49.43 | fasta | Phr33d0m: well, I cannot say it improved a lot :/ |
| 22:49.57 | Phr33d0m | :-\ |
| 22:50.00 | fasta | Phr33d0m: lots of BadDrawable errors. |
| 22:50.03 | craigevil | take it outside and shoot it with a shotgun that will teach it |
| 22:50.37 | Phr33d0m | fasta ignore the output - is your menu, rightclick and stuff running well now? |
| 22:51.00 | fasta | Phr33d0m: no. If I move my mouse over icontasks, nothing happens. |
| 22:51.19 | fasta | Phr33d0m: I also see the wonderful 'Available Devices' popup. |
| 22:51.32 | fasta | Phr33d0m: and it will just not go away. |
| 22:51.51 | Phr33d0m | you crashed it hardly, somehow :P |
| 22:52.06 | fasta | Phr33d0m: anyway, I can kill that window? |
| 22:52.26 | fasta | Phr33d0m: er: how can I kill that available devices window? |
| 22:52.33 | fasta | It trespasses on my terminal. |
| 22:52.41 | fasta | A capital offence from where I come from. |
| 22:52.53 | Phr33d0m | fasta distro? |
| 22:53.07 | fasta | Phr33d0m: ubuntu |
| 22:53.18 | Phr33d0m | huh... no idea |
| 22:53.29 | Phr33d0m | I got similar problem with an nvidia gpu |
| 22:53.48 | Phr33d0m | a flash video in firefox was traspassing all my windows :-\ |
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| 23:38.14 | sacredchao | paste of krunner crashing http://pastebin.ca/2158609 |
| 23:39.44 | Phr33d0m | debug it then... |
| 23:40.02 | Phr33d0m | send a meaningful backtrace to bugs.kde.org and keep them busy :) |
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