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00:05.35azlevhi. How can I edit the standard menu (right click on desktop)?
00:06.19Belial`anyone using debian sid could let me know how to get kopete to work with the message indicator plasma widget?
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00:28.49rdieterazlev: i don't think you can, short of patching the source code
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00:46.52azlevrdieter: given the number of times that you nick appear in fedora packages, I believe in you ;-)
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02:45.29killownhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301959
02:46.22killown<PROTECTED>
02:48.25killowndolphin with fixed small icon size is horrible
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02:52.13killownso kde developers removed the dynamic icons size from dolphin left panel
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03:28.17Ronis_BRhi all, in kde 4.9, where can I change the default ALT+TAB behavour?
03:32.45Ronis_BRgot it
03:32.47Ronis_BRthanks
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03:44.06alesanhey is there a VU meter application for KDE?
03:44.36alesanalso, is it possible to have an extension of some sort to set the volume at more than 100%?
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04:05.22leonelhi
04:06.04leonelGreetings, could you tell me where I set the effect of bouncing icons when I run an application in kde 4.9
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04:16.57Jucatoleonel: sorry I'm not on Linux right now, but from the top of my head, launch System Settings, go to the Notifications group (or something, forgot the exact name) and then Launch Feedback
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04:23.47leonel3~3~thanks!!! :D jucato
04:24.33leonelThank you so much I found. is right is right there
04:24.50Jucatoyou're welcome
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08:13.13GeorgeMasongood morning room! how is everybody doing? I have a problem with KDE 4.8.4 and the Linux forum sent me here. Is this the right place to ask a question?
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08:22.57GeorgeMasonI'll come back later then
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12:48.14raz0when there is an event in KDE (e.g. a notification), KDE plays it with a certain volume; however if I have some other app running (e.g. amarok playing music) at a lower volume, KDE will temporarilly increase the volume of this app as well while playing the sound event
12:48.22raz0which causes much discomfort to my ears :)
12:48.47raz0any way of disabling this 'feature'? or is it a bug? I am on KDE 4.8.4
12:50.12JackSummerraz0: you are using pulseaudio, right?
12:50.20raz0right
12:50.53raz0it's a PA bug?
12:53.01JackSummerraz0: i'm not sure, but i think that is a "feature of PA", better ask them about it.  i doubt that kde changes the volume like that on it's own
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12:56.30raz0JackSummer: kmix is a bit weird in this regard; if I turn up the volume for the playback stream of amarok to max, and then go and turn down the volume of the playback device of my soundcard
12:56.48raz0it will modify the volume of amarok, but not 'event sounds'
12:57.10raz0in fact, I can't change the slider for 'event sounds' at all; if I drag it, it just jumps right back to max always
12:57.16raz0cannot even mute it
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12:58.10JackSummerget rid of PA and use straigt alsa :)
12:58.30JackSummerbut i guess your distro most likely makes that difficult
12:59.02raz0I don't know; it's Debian; should be fine
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12:59.16raz0but I don't think it's a good long term solution; except for this issue I kind of like PA :)
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12:59.36qqqqqqqq19Hi, is there in easy way to reverse lookup translations?
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13:01.50raz0okay, I guess I will just disable notifications for now :)
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13:39.47ZordrakClean install on KDE-4.8.5 and all users get two konquerors on the task bar instead of a konqueror and a dolphin. Is this a known issue?
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13:41.59scummosthat seems like a highly distribution-specific issue to me
13:43.50Zordraki think i may have it already.. usual case of problem can lasst a year.. until i ask a question in the relevant IRC channel and boom the solution appears
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13:49.47scummos;P
13:49.50scummosI know that feeling
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14:15.32alesanhi is there a vu-meter application for KDE? and a mean to set the volume higher than 100%?
14:16.49ZordrakWhat is the default file browser in a pure kde release?
14:18.58dvratilZordrak, should be Dolphin
14:19.15Zordrakhmmm, I thought that. I will discuss with the distro
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14:20.53scummosstill wonders what happened to plasma active
14:21.25kde__peposcummos, the software?
14:21.52scummosyes
14:21.59scummosand the tablet, too
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14:22.34kde__pepodon't know about the tablet, but the software is still in the repos
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14:23.49scummossure it is, but there's not much news about it recently
14:24.13scummosaaron used to write a lot of blog posts ;p
14:27.16kde__peposummer gap ... there isn't much news everywhere (except in the courts)
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14:40.06drhouse123hi! how i can make translate packages to http://l10n.kde.org ? I already subcribed to mailing list
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14:41.29Mamarokdrhouse123: that depends on the language, you should subscribe to the language mailing list you will translate into
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14:41.58Mamarokthere is a link to the translation teams on top of that page
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14:42.06Ronis_BRhi all
14:42.16Ronis_BRis there anyway to integrate dolphin with dropbox?
14:42.45Ronis_BRI mean, to have something like I have in Nautilus?
14:45.19cb400fyes
14:45.45cb400fwell.. I don't know what nautilus has and I don't use dropbox.. but I remember seing some dolphin integration howtos
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14:49.47Ronis_BRcb400f: thanks
14:50.01drhouse123Mamarok: thanks, I understood now :)
14:50.20Mamarokdrhouse123: you are welcome :)
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14:51.41markkoHow do i add global keyboard short cuts for clementine, There is option for amarok but not for clementine
14:52.07cb400fclementine is not a kde application
14:52.24cb400fso it won't be configurable from systemsettings
14:52.26markkoits based on amarok
14:52.44Mamarokmarkko: vaguely based on 1.4.x, yes, but it doesn't use kdelibs
14:52.55markkoso theres nothing i can do
14:53.03Mamarokno
14:53.16cb400flook in the clementine settings or talk to the clementine developers
14:53.39Mamarokbut not for global shortcuts
14:54.34markkodamn
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15:16.56ZordrakHelp my sanity.
15:17.06ZordrakIt no longer appears possible to set the KDE panel clock to 24h
15:17.12ZordrakAm I wrong?
15:17.20Mamarokyes :)
15:17.26Zordrakphew
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15:17.32Mamarokdid you change your locale?
15:17.49ZordrakYes
15:18.08Mamaroktat might be the reason, then
15:18.11Zordrakdont tell me it's a locale setting >.<
15:18.16safinaskarZordrak: right-click on clock and select "digital clock settings"
15:18.48safinaskarZordrak: of course, it is locale setting :) US uses 12 hours and russian uses 24 hours
15:18.52Mamaroksafinaskar: you can't change the 12/24 hour setting there, that is in the system settings -> Locale
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15:19.26ZordrakIt's not a locale specific thing... it's a preference. Unless you're ill-educated and simply don't know what a 24h clock is
15:19.39Zordrakanyway, solution identified, thanks
15:20.10safinaskarZordrak: maybe. but it is tradition that russia never uses AM and PM terms
15:20.22safinaskarZordrak: so, it is really depends on locale
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15:21.19Zordrakhmm
15:21.39Zordraknot seeing it in locale settings :/ theres "AM" identifier and "PM", but not a toggle for 24h clock
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15:24.31Zordrakmy bad
15:24.48Zordrakmy locale DOES provide 24h, think its just pending taking effect
15:24.58safinaskarZordrak: try to change locale in /etc/default/locale and then reboot
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15:25.24safinaskarZordrak: add LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8 to it (of course, this locale should be installed)
15:25.52safinaskarZordrak: this doesn't change your lang, but does change your time settings only
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15:51.06lineinthesandNot that I really need this, but out of curiosity: is it possible in kde to include the menu bar in the title bar like it's done in in W7?
15:51.48scummosI think I've once read something about kwin supporting something like that
15:52.00scummosbut I'm not sure
15:53.12Sho_yeah, there is a windeco for it
15:54.14lineinthesandSho_, is it part of standard kde?
15:57.13Sho_lineinthesand: no
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16:36.08modulistichello there pals and gals, what is the official kwin end-user documentation? I can't find kwin listed under http://docs.kde.org/
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16:46.32markkoIm trying to put new music to my sweex audio player. Its a simple one to which you just have to move music to it. I deleted previous folders on it and moved new ones but when i play it, it still plays the old ones.
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16:50.58markkoAnd when i move the new folder there it just instantly moves it without notifying anything even though its supposed to take like 15 minutes
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17:00.55markkonvm got it
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17:09.00Jucatomodulistic: http://userbase.kde.org/KWin and some in http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kde-workspace/ (under the system settings modules group)
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17:11.59modulisticthank you Jucato
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17:31.24killownhere is my conf http://bpaste.net/show/ZJkw3HXwnIM83GlQqD9s/ and kde still persist to emulate mouse 3 buttons
17:32.01killownI really wish kde had this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-xconfig/+bug/250358
17:32.10killownI don't consider this a bug anyway
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17:38.24killownplease someone?
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17:39.52killownthis channel is dead?
17:40.37killownI am asking it by a few weeks and I hadn't answers
17:41.16BluesKajKDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/kate' ..with root permission it won't open in dolphin using the krunner ...any ideas ?
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17:48.21scummoskillown: IRC is a slow thing...
17:48.37scummoskillown: I'd consider receiving an answer within half an hour "fast"
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17:51.32scummoskillown: does this happen with a new user account, too? if no, then something is simply not configured correctly; otherwise, something is wrong with the system
17:51.38killownOption "Emulate3Buttons" "boolean"
17:51.38killownEnable/disable the emulation of the third (middle) mouse button for mice which only have two physical buttons. The third button is emulated by pressing both buttons simultaneously. Default: off
17:51.52killownmeans if I remove this option kde shouldn't emulate 3 buttons
17:51.57killownbut still emulates it
17:52.02killownI am on kde 4.9
17:52.15killownscummos, yes, happens with new accounts
17:52.25ercdefault IS off for the past few years
17:52.53ercbut nvidia works in misterious ways
17:52.58ercask them
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17:53.19killownerc, what about gnome-shell and unity doesn't have any problem with this?
17:53.34killownonly kde persists to emulate the buttons
17:54.01ercsession manager in kde "remembers" bogus settings forever
17:54.14ercrewritten in 4.9
17:54.27killownhow to remove this bogus settings?
17:55.02ercmv .kde or try another user
17:55.20killownerc, first thing I did before my first ask
17:55.34killownthis is a built-in problem
17:55.43ercdrilling down to the right binary settings file is exercise left to user :)
17:56.33killownif I started kde with a new user and the problem still persists so this is a bug
17:57.47erclooks more legit
18:01.06scummoskillown: can you describe the problem again, I'm not sure I understand it correctly
18:02.27erchard to see why or how Emulate3Buttons can be so harmful
18:02.57ercmaybe he mouses with mittens :)
18:03.10scummosyes, I'm wondering too
18:03.19scummosin which case you press left and right mouse button simultaneously?
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18:03.34ercyou want to paste imho
18:03.51scummosyes
18:04.06scummoswell, my notebook does have a middle mouse button, so I use that for pasting
18:04.08scummosbut yes
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18:05.51scummoskillown: check in xev what kind of event is registered
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18:06.36killownscummos, xev says Emulate3ButtonsEmulate3ButtonsEmulate3Buttons
18:07.01scummoshmm
18:07.36scummossorry, I'm not sure how this stuff works
18:08.20killownhttp://bpaste.net/show/ePAa6dSvdZhPCIEsnD6e/
18:08.56scummosI guess that button2 is the middle button
18:09.08killownyes
18:09.12scummoshm
18:09.17killownI was pressing button 1 and 3
18:09.20killownat the same time
18:09.27killownthen it get button2
18:09.41killownwhere kde is get this mouse emulation
18:09.47killowngetting*
18:09.59scummosdid you try something like twm, which doesn't change anything about that for sure
18:10.04scummoslike, launch twm, and then xev in twm
18:10.10scummosand see if it's still there
18:10.19killownscummos, unity and gnome-shell doesn't emulate it
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18:10.50scummosthat doesn't really say that much, because they might do something to explicitly disable it
18:11.01killownok
18:11.10scummosI'd check with something that doesn't change it for sure
18:11.13scummoslike twm or so
18:11.38killownI am installing twm
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18:17.31killownscummos, you right, this problem also happens with twm
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18:17.49scummosok
18:17.55scummosthen the problem is in the X configuration, not in KDE
18:18.07scummosand gnome probably does something to disable it, no idea how that works
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18:20.30AknotHow do i delete channel in quassel?
18:20.59erckillown: Leave -- > switch user --> New session
18:21.17ercvt8 rules :)
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18:21.33killownhttp://who-t.blogspot.com.br/2011/04/gnome-30-middle-mouse-button-emulation.html
18:22.02scummosthat looks like it ;p
18:22.50killownhappens that kde ignore xorg option
18:23.04killownignores*
18:23.24ercnvidia is not xorg
18:23.47killownwhy are you still persisting on nvidia?
18:23.55killownxorg deal with mouse input
18:24.11killownnvidia has nothing to do with it
18:24.57ercnvidia fork and break everything, then its all xorg's fault
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18:26.13killownso you are suggesting kde developers should ignore the nvidia break and doesn't adapt and fix anything
18:26.33killownyou don't even know if it has something related to nvidia driver
18:27.00erckde or xorg cannot debug nvidia
18:27.05killowngnome developers knows something that kde developers doesn't know, this is because they removed emulate3buttons by default
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18:28.47scummosfact is that the mistake happens in X11
18:28.47thiagoemulate3buttons is not a KDE or GNOME option
18:28.50thiagoit's an X option
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18:29.31killownthiago, YES, I know, but kde doesn't take the xorg.conf option
18:29.38thiagokillown: run xev
18:29.43killownI did
18:29.44thiagopress both keys
18:29.51killownstill emulates middle button
18:29.55killowndid it with scummos
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18:30.56scummoskillown: we have seen that it's not KDEs fault, it's wrong in twm too
18:31.03scummossearch the problem in your X configuration
18:31.05AknotProblem: When i start up computer this comes up: Personal contacts: Directory /home/user/.local/share/contacts/ does not exist
18:31.06thiagodo you get a ButtonPress, with button 2?
18:31.32killownthiago, yes
18:31.34killownI get
18:31.36ercxorg "removed emulate3buttons by default" years ago
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18:32.26killownscummos, the thing is gnome has a option to enable and disable it in gnome-settings kde doesn't
18:32.35thiagokillown: but in KDE applications, the applications don't get an MMB ?
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18:32.51thiagoKDE doesn't need the setting
18:32.53thiagoX has the setting
18:32.56killownthiago, on konsole it get middle mouse button
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18:33.42thiagohow are you testing the apps?
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18:34.35killownthiago, pressing the two buttons at same time on any app
18:35.01scummosis driver "mouse" even correct
18:35.13killownthis option is useless nowdays, was useful long time ago, why not kde removes it by default too
18:35.37thiagokillown: because it's still useful today
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18:35.40scummos... you can aswell go ask the twm guys why they don't oO
18:36.10scummoskillown: try using driver "evdev" instead of mouse, just to see what happens
18:36.10thiagothat's how I paste with my touchpad
18:36.10thiagokillown: anyway, how are you testing?
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18:37.30killownthiago, I am not understanding your question, test how?
18:37.53thiagokillown: are you saying that the LMB+RMB press is not producing MMB?
18:38.00killownpressing two mouse buttons should only take the button 3 on desktop
18:38.15killownthiago, I am saying its producing
18:38.26thiagothen it's working perfectly
18:38.51killownNO this is annoying and useless I have the middle button why it emulates when I press LMB_RMB
18:39.17thiagoconfigure X not to emulate then
18:39.19thiagoit's an X setting
18:39.30thiagoI need the emulation
18:39.40killownx is configured to do this but kde doesn't take the conf
18:39.49killowngnome takes
18:39.50scummoskillown: god, no, you're wrong
18:39.59scummoskillown: we had this a couple of times now
18:40.03thiagokillown: you've just proven that X is configured to *enable* Emulate3Buttons
18:40.04scummoskillown: the mistake is on the X side
18:40.13thiagoand that KDE applications are working perfectly by accepting the emulations
18:40.20scummosyes
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18:40.27thiagoso everything is working exactly as expected
18:40.27scummoskillown: go change the driver to evdev, maybe it helps ;P
18:40.32killownthiago, are you fucking kidding me? my question was simple
18:40.36thiagokillown: I'm not
18:40.41scummosthiago: well actually not, since he has disabled it explicitly in xorg.conf
18:40.42thiagokillown: I do not understand what your issue is
18:40.43scummosand X still does it
18:40.45killownhow to remove emulate 3 buttons from kde?
18:40.45scummosbut it's an X problem
18:40.51thiagokillown: configure X to disable it
18:40.59scummoskillown: it has nothing to do with KDE. search the problem in the X stack.
18:41.04scummoskillown: change the driver
18:41.07scummosto evdev
18:41.10scummosfrom mouse
18:41.14scummosmaybe it helpf
18:41.16scummos*helps
18:41.53killownman you are just drop the fault to xorg and let the user look for where is the problem
18:41.54thiagokillown: I had misunderstood you
18:42.07thiagokillown: if all you want is to change the setting, then do it.
18:42.08thiagokillown: in xorg.conf
18:42.10killownif its or not a xorg fault
18:42.12scummoskillown: you did test it in twm, didn't you? it was wrong there too, wasn't it?
18:42.26killownKDE should handle this and able to enable and disable it
18:42.28scummosso why do you insist it must be configurable in KDE, it must not
18:42.31killowngnome already do this
18:42.42scummosI honestly don't care what gnome does :)
18:42.44thiagowe haven't felt the need to add the option to KDE system settings
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18:42.47thiagomaybe we should
18:42.54scummosyes, maybe
18:42.55thiagobut currently there is no such option
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18:43.03killownyou honestly don't know to fix the problem and is taking my time, please...
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18:43.16thiagokillown: there used to be an option in xorg.conf
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18:43.22thiagokillown: I haven't messed with it in years
18:43.29thiagokillown: if it doesn't work, then I'm sorry, but we can't help you
18:43.37thiagokillown: it's an X problem. Maybe #X or #xorg can help you.
18:43.41scummoskillown: PLEASE CHANGE THE DRIVER TO EVDEV
18:43.48killownscummos, please ignore me
18:43.48scummos(sorry for caps lock, but I said it like 4 times now)
18:43.49thiagoscummos: he's probably already using evdev
18:43.57thiagoscummos: I'm using evdev and emulation is enabled
18:44.01scummosthiago: no, he uses mouse, that's what is written in xorg.conf
18:44.17thiagoscummos: xorg.conf ignores the settings unless you add a specific option
18:44.25scummoshm, what settings?
18:44.26thiagoso it might look like that, but not be enabled
18:44.44thiagoI don't remember the name, it's something weird
18:44.54thiagoxorg will get the info from udev and will use that by default
18:45.00thiagoyou need to tell it to stop using udev first
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18:45.50scummosah, you mean xorg ignores the xorg.conf file and autodetects everything
18:46.09thiagoit will autodetect. Which means it will use what it detected first, over what has been configured.
18:46.23ChemBroxorg.conf is deprecated, so it should?
18:46.28scummosa typical X feature
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18:46.41scummosevery sane application would look for the config file and use it if present
18:47.20killownChemBro, it still can handle  Option "foo" "bar"
18:47.33ChemBrothe conf-files are in xorg.conf.d now
18:48.30ercnot meant to be user editable
18:48.45ercstill xorg.conf for that
18:48.58ercas last resort
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18:51.47scummoskillown: I'd really recommend to ask #xorg or so, they might know how to configure this correctly
18:55.59ercmv xorg.conf xorg.conf.bogus
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20:45.57AknotHow do i make magnet links to work on deluge, im using opera
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20:54.40MoggerAknot: have you tried googling? http://my.opera.com/metrallik/blog/2012/03/12/configure-magnet-links-with-opera
20:55.01Moggerbtw, neither deluge or opera are kde applications ;)
20:55.03AknotI was just on that site :D
20:55.31Aknoti know, but im unable to use any other browser than opera, its too good compared to others
20:56.02Aknotbtw i need to set deluge as the default application for magnets so where can i find it
20:56.07Aknoti mean which folders
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20:57.34MoggerAknot: just thought it was strange that you ask in #kde when the applications aren't kde-related :P
20:57.56Aknoti thought deluge was :P
20:58.02Moggernot sure what you mean by the last question - usually you set the default applications in system setting
20:58.19Moggerbut I don't think you need to do that if you follow the information on that page, do you?
20:58.22Aknotin opera im setting the default application for magnet links
20:58.39Aknotit says this on that site
20:58.49Aknotso are the program in /bin or???
20:59.02Moggerah
20:59.08Moggerdepends on you distro
20:59.12Moggerusually /usr/bin
21:01.17Aknotwohoo it works
21:01.54Mogger:)
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21:02.08Moggerif you want a kde torrent client, I can recommen ktorrent
21:02.15Mogger+d
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21:33.11ponyofde1thanyone can help me wit these errors? http://bpaste.net/show/V3ssQvfcI280wUOhiZIX/ having usses with windows not redrwaing after keyboard inputs and such.
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21:43.18lacI need a favour from somebody who is a knowledgable kde and debian user who also uses network manager.
21:43.55lachttp://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#NetworkManager
21:44.54lacis out of date.  It refers to an old version of kde and knetworkmanager which hasn't been in debian testing or unstable for years now.
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21:45.39lacI do not know what kde users should be doing to get network manager working for them.
21:45.58kde__pepothere is the network management plasmoid today
21:46.09lacas I am not a kde user.   But I run a site where we host network games.
21:46.49lacI would really like it if somebody who knows what this page should say would edit the wiki and make it say that.
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21:47.12kde__pepoas long as you ship the latest version of it (0.9 branch), it should "just work", lamarque has put a lot of work into it.
21:47.45lacok, it is not working for lots of people who show up here -- they have wicd not network manager installed.
21:48.04lacand, for I cannot tell why, wicd is not working.
21:48.24kde__pepowell, the plasmoid doesn't handle wicd, as far as I know
21:48.44lacnetwork manager works, I can get things to work for debian users who run gnome or openbox or lxde
21:49.07kde__pepomight be perhaps better to post on forum.kde.org, a lot more people will read that
21:49.08lacbut I cannot get the kde ones to work, if they are running debian.
21:49.49lacok.  thank you.  sorry to be a pain.
21:50.09kde__pepoyou aren't, its just a bit late here in europe :)
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21:52.01lacI live in Sweden, but we run these network events in the evening--night. :-)
21:52.26lacSo after the carnage, people generally go home at about 23:00 here.
21:56.49lachmmm there are a lot of sub forums for http://forum.kde.org/
21:57.16lacyou think this is a 'system program or utility' question?
21:57.27kde__pepoI guess "Internet & Network" fits better?
21:58.00lacthat was my choice #2, I will try that instead. thank you.
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22:01.47Moggerlac: why doesn't wicd work? can't it connect to the network, or are there problems with the games?
22:04.10lacI don't know why wicd didn't work.  But I only tried to make it work for nm, on the grounds that I use that one and not wicd
22:04.46lacit coudn't connect to the network.
22:04.58lacthough we gave it the correct password.
22:05.15Moggerwhat kind of network is it?
22:05.37MoggerI've had problems with wicd and eduroam, otherwise it works fine here
22:06.47laclocal wifi wpa/wpa2 psk
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22:10.01lacI think the problem with the debian kde users is that they could not find a nm applet -- or a wicd one if there are such things, and this should work.
22:10.39Moggerhm, the wicd issue seems to be a bug
22:10.58Moggermaybe you would tell them to try something like this: http://stealthlizard.blogspot.se/2008/10/wicd-for-wpa2-psk.html
22:11.28Moggerthere's wicd-client which is gtk-based, and a wicd plasmoid on kde-apps.org
22:13.24lacaha.  this looks very much like it could be my problem.  My larger problem is that every night I want people to come to the site and play the game, and not need my help, or much of my help to get up and running.
22:13.37lacso I will bookmark this.
22:14.02lacbut is there a *how to get wifi to work on plasmoid* page somewhere?
22:14.50lacI have people coming here who are 12 years old and never have made a wifi connection at all.
22:15.21Moggerwell, if it's a bug in wicd, using a wicd frontend won't help
22:15.36MoggerI don't use networkmanager so I don't now about that one
22:16.30lacSince I didn
22:16.33lac't
22:17.36lacknow anything about wicd, when I could not get it to work, I gave up quickly and instead concentrated on getting nm to work for the people whose wifi wasn't happening automatically.
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22:18.03lacand this worked fine except for the people on kde and debian.
22:18.20Moggerhm, doesn't gnome's nm applet work in kde as well?
22:18.43lacMaybe kde and other places would also not have worked, biut around here it is ubuntu and denbian mostly.
22:19.31lacMogger: I could be wrong, but there used to be a different kde nm applet
22:19.50Moggeryes, there's a plasmoid as well
22:20.01Moggeronly used it briefly in kubuntu
22:20.19lacaha.  then this is the piece of information that is missing from
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22:20.40lachttp://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#NetworkManager
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22:21.39lacI would like to get this updated with the correct information.
22:22.16Moggerin Arch it's called kdeplasma-applets-networkmangement if the Arch wiki is correct
22:22.27lacif it talks of knetworkmnager then it is at least 2 years out of date for debian.
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22:23.42Moggermaybe this? http://packages.debian.org/sid/plasma-widget-networkmanagement
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22:25.23lachttp://packages.debian.org/testing/kde/plasma-widget-networkmanagement
22:25.35lacaha, you find this as do I.
22:26.37lacOkay, tomorrow, early, I will get to the site and see if this works.
22:27.13lacif it does, I will come back here and see if you approve of the wording of the patch I prpose to make toi the debian wiki
22:27.14Moggerhope it works :)
22:27.55Moggerprobably better to ask in #debian or something like that, as I don't know about debian and its community etc.
22:27.56lacbecause I am not a kde user, so I might botchthe language, not to mention that it is english which i am more comfortable speaking than writing formally
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22:28.35lacand then if you think I have done an ok job, I wil lsend this to the debian people and see if we can get this into the wiki so everybody benefits.
22:29.19erc#debian-kde@OFTC
22:29.29lacThe debian people are really good at telling you how to get a patch to where it belongs.
22:29.50lacthey are not so hot at telling you if this wording makes sense to a kde user.
22:30.13Moggerpretty sure you can just edit it, since it's a wiki (can't swear on it though as I don't know the guidelines for it)
22:30.36Moggerbut sure, if I'm here tomorrow I can take a quick look at the wording if you want
22:31.15lacall the more reason to make sure that I make kde sense.  Since I am a hetetical openbox user, and might not get the subtleties.
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22:35.21lacat any rate, thank you all and especially Mogger and kde__pepo
22:35.33Moggernp
22:38.49newbie999Hi. Please, tell me, where I can read about values in plasma* files (what means "zvalue", for example?) ?
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