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00:05.35 | azlev | hi. How can I edit the standard menu (right click on desktop)? |
00:06.19 | Belial` | anyone using debian sid could let me know how to get kopete to work with the message indicator plasma widget? |
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00:28.49 | rdieter | azlev: i don't think you can, short of patching the source code |
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00:46.52 | azlev | rdieter: given the number of times that you nick appear in fedora packages, I believe in you ;-) |
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02:45.29 | killown | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301959 |
02:46.22 | killown | <PROTECTED> |
02:48.25 | killown | dolphin with fixed small icon size is horrible |
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02:52.13 | killown | so kde developers removed the dynamic icons size from dolphin left panel |
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03:28.17 | Ronis_BR | hi all, in kde 4.9, where can I change the default ALT+TAB behavour? |
03:32.45 | Ronis_BR | got it |
03:32.47 | Ronis_BR | thanks |
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03:44.06 | alesan | hey is there a VU meter application for KDE? |
03:44.36 | alesan | also, is it possible to have an extension of some sort to set the volume at more than 100%? |
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04:05.22 | leonel | hi |
04:06.04 | leonel | Greetings, could you tell me where I set the effect of bouncing icons when I run an application in kde 4.9 |
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04:16.57 | Jucato | leonel: sorry I'm not on Linux right now, but from the top of my head, launch System Settings, go to the Notifications group (or something, forgot the exact name) and then Launch Feedback |
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04:23.47 | leonel | 3~3~thanks!!! :D jucato |
04:24.33 | leonel | Thank you so much I found. is right is right there |
04:24.50 | Jucato | you're welcome |
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08:13.13 | GeorgeMason | good morning room! how is everybody doing? I have a problem with KDE 4.8.4 and the Linux forum sent me here. Is this the right place to ask a question? |
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08:22.57 | GeorgeMason | I'll come back later then |
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09:49.51 | scummos | it has gotten rather quiet about plasma active, what happened to it? |
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11:49.15 | BluesKaj | Howdy all |
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12:48.14 | raz0 | when there is an event in KDE (e.g. a notification), KDE plays it with a certain volume; however if I have some other app running (e.g. amarok playing music) at a lower volume, KDE will temporarilly increase the volume of this app as well while playing the sound event |
12:48.22 | raz0 | which causes much discomfort to my ears :) |
12:48.47 | raz0 | any way of disabling this 'feature'? or is it a bug? I am on KDE 4.8.4 |
12:50.12 | JackSummer | raz0: you are using pulseaudio, right? |
12:50.20 | raz0 | right |
12:50.53 | raz0 | it's a PA bug? |
12:53.01 | JackSummer | raz0: i'm not sure, but i think that is a "feature of PA", better ask them about it. i doubt that kde changes the volume like that on it's own |
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12:56.30 | raz0 | JackSummer: kmix is a bit weird in this regard; if I turn up the volume for the playback stream of amarok to max, and then go and turn down the volume of the playback device of my soundcard |
12:56.48 | raz0 | it will modify the volume of amarok, but not 'event sounds' |
12:57.10 | raz0 | in fact, I can't change the slider for 'event sounds' at all; if I drag it, it just jumps right back to max always |
12:57.16 | raz0 | cannot even mute it |
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12:58.10 | JackSummer | get rid of PA and use straigt alsa :) |
12:58.30 | JackSummer | but i guess your distro most likely makes that difficult |
12:59.02 | raz0 | I don't know; it's Debian; should be fine |
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12:59.16 | raz0 | but I don't think it's a good long term solution; except for this issue I kind of like PA :) |
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12:59.36 | qqqqqqqq19 | Hi, is there in easy way to reverse lookup translations? |
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13:01.50 | raz0 | okay, I guess I will just disable notifications for now :) |
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13:39.47 | Zordrak | Clean install on KDE-4.8.5 and all users get two konquerors on the task bar instead of a konqueror and a dolphin. Is this a known issue? |
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13:41.59 | scummos | that seems like a highly distribution-specific issue to me |
13:43.50 | Zordrak | i think i may have it already.. usual case of problem can lasst a year.. until i ask a question in the relevant IRC channel and boom the solution appears |
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13:49.47 | scummos | ;P |
13:49.50 | scummos | I know that feeling |
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14:15.32 | alesan | hi is there a vu-meter application for KDE? and a mean to set the volume higher than 100%? |
14:16.49 | Zordrak | What is the default file browser in a pure kde release? |
14:18.58 | dvratil | Zordrak, should be Dolphin |
14:19.15 | Zordrak | hmmm, I thought that. I will discuss with the distro |
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14:20.53 | scummos | still wonders what happened to plasma active |
14:21.25 | kde__pepo | scummos, the software? |
14:21.52 | scummos | yes |
14:21.59 | scummos | and the tablet, too |
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14:22.34 | kde__pepo | don't know about the tablet, but the software is still in the repos |
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14:23.49 | scummos | sure it is, but there's not much news about it recently |
14:24.13 | scummos | aaron used to write a lot of blog posts ;p |
14:27.16 | kde__pepo | summer gap ... there isn't much news everywhere (except in the courts) |
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14:40.06 | drhouse123 | hi! how i can make translate packages to http://l10n.kde.org ? I already subcribed to mailing list |
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14:41.29 | Mamarok | drhouse123: that depends on the language, you should subscribe to the language mailing list you will translate into |
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14:41.58 | Mamarok | there is a link to the translation teams on top of that page |
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14:42.06 | Ronis_BR | hi all |
14:42.16 | Ronis_BR | is there anyway to integrate dolphin with dropbox? |
14:42.45 | Ronis_BR | I mean, to have something like I have in Nautilus? |
14:45.19 | cb400f | yes |
14:45.45 | cb400f | well.. I don't know what nautilus has and I don't use dropbox.. but I remember seing some dolphin integration howtos |
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14:49.47 | Ronis_BR | cb400f: thanks |
14:50.01 | drhouse123 | Mamarok: thanks, I understood now :) |
14:50.20 | Mamarok | drhouse123: you are welcome :) |
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14:51.41 | markko | How do i add global keyboard short cuts for clementine, There is option for amarok but not for clementine |
14:52.07 | cb400f | clementine is not a kde application |
14:52.24 | cb400f | so it won't be configurable from systemsettings |
14:52.26 | markko | its based on amarok |
14:52.44 | Mamarok | markko: vaguely based on 1.4.x, yes, but it doesn't use kdelibs |
14:52.55 | markko | so theres nothing i can do |
14:53.03 | Mamarok | no |
14:53.16 | cb400f | look in the clementine settings or talk to the clementine developers |
14:53.39 | Mamarok | but not for global shortcuts |
14:54.34 | markko | damn |
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15:16.56 | Zordrak | Help my sanity. |
15:17.06 | Zordrak | It no longer appears possible to set the KDE panel clock to 24h |
15:17.12 | Zordrak | Am I wrong? |
15:17.20 | Mamarok | yes :) |
15:17.26 | Zordrak | phew |
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15:17.32 | Mamarok | did you change your locale? |
15:17.49 | Zordrak | Yes |
15:18.08 | Mamarok | tat might be the reason, then |
15:18.11 | Zordrak | dont tell me it's a locale setting >.< |
15:18.16 | safinaskar | Zordrak: right-click on clock and select "digital clock settings" |
15:18.48 | safinaskar | Zordrak: of course, it is locale setting :) US uses 12 hours and russian uses 24 hours |
15:18.52 | Mamarok | safinaskar: you can't change the 12/24 hour setting there, that is in the system settings -> Locale |
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15:19.26 | Zordrak | It's not a locale specific thing... it's a preference. Unless you're ill-educated and simply don't know what a 24h clock is |
15:19.39 | Zordrak | anyway, solution identified, thanks |
15:20.10 | safinaskar | Zordrak: maybe. but it is tradition that russia never uses AM and PM terms |
15:20.22 | safinaskar | Zordrak: so, it is really depends on locale |
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15:21.19 | Zordrak | hmm |
15:21.39 | Zordrak | not seeing it in locale settings :/ theres "AM" identifier and "PM", but not a toggle for 24h clock |
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15:24.31 | Zordrak | my bad |
15:24.48 | Zordrak | my locale DOES provide 24h, think its just pending taking effect |
15:24.58 | safinaskar | Zordrak: try to change locale in /etc/default/locale and then reboot |
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15:25.24 | safinaskar | Zordrak: add LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8 to it (of course, this locale should be installed) |
15:25.52 | safinaskar | Zordrak: this doesn't change your lang, but does change your time settings only |
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15:51.06 | lineinthesand | Not that I really need this, but out of curiosity: is it possible in kde to include the menu bar in the title bar like it's done in in W7? |
15:51.48 | scummos | I think I've once read something about kwin supporting something like that |
15:52.00 | scummos | but I'm not sure |
15:53.12 | Sho_ | yeah, there is a windeco for it |
15:54.14 | lineinthesand | Sho_, is it part of standard kde? |
15:57.13 | Sho_ | lineinthesand: no |
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16:36.08 | modulistic | hello there pals and gals, what is the official kwin end-user documentation? I can't find kwin listed under http://docs.kde.org/ |
16:36.27 | modulistic | s/what/where/ |
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16:46.32 | markko | Im trying to put new music to my sweex audio player. Its a simple one to which you just have to move music to it. I deleted previous folders on it and moved new ones but when i play it, it still plays the old ones. |
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16:50.58 | markko | And when i move the new folder there it just instantly moves it without notifying anything even though its supposed to take like 15 minutes |
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17:00.55 | markko | nvm got it |
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17:09.00 | Jucato | modulistic: http://userbase.kde.org/KWin and some in http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kde-workspace/ (under the system settings modules group) |
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17:11.59 | modulistic | thank you Jucato |
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17:31.24 | killown | here is my conf http://bpaste.net/show/ZJkw3HXwnIM83GlQqD9s/ and kde still persist to emulate mouse 3 buttons |
17:32.01 | killown | I really wish kde had this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-xconfig/+bug/250358 |
17:32.10 | killown | I don't consider this a bug anyway |
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17:38.24 | killown | please someone? |
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17:39.52 | killown | this channel is dead? |
17:40.37 | killown | I am asking it by a few weeks and I hadn't answers |
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17:48.21 | scummos | killown: IRC is a slow thing... |
17:48.37 | scummos | killown: I'd consider receiving an answer within half an hour "fast" |
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17:51.32 | scummos | killown: does this happen with a new user account, too? if no, then something is simply not configured correctly; otherwise, something is wrong with the system |
17:51.38 | killown | Option "Emulate3Buttons" "boolean" |
17:51.38 | killown | Enable/disable the emulation of the third (middle) mouse button for mice which only have two physical buttons. The third button is emulated by pressing both buttons simultaneously. Default: off |
17:51.52 | killown | means if I remove this option kde shouldn't emulate 3 buttons |
17:51.57 | killown | but still emulates it |
17:52.02 | killown | I am on kde 4.9 |
17:52.15 | killown | scummos, yes, happens with new accounts |
17:52.25 | erc | default IS off for the past few years |
17:52.53 | erc | but nvidia works in misterious ways |
17:52.58 | erc | ask them |
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17:53.19 | killown | erc, what about gnome-shell and unity doesn't have any problem with this? |
17:53.34 | killown | only kde persists to emulate the buttons |
17:54.01 | erc | session manager in kde "remembers" bogus settings forever |
17:54.14 | erc | rewritten in 4.9 |
17:54.27 | killown | how to remove this bogus settings? |
17:55.02 | erc | mv .kde or try another user |
17:55.20 | killown | erc, first thing I did before my first ask |
17:55.34 | killown | this is a built-in problem |
17:55.43 | erc | drilling down to the right binary settings file is exercise left to user :) |
17:56.33 | killown | if I started kde with a new user and the problem still persists so this is a bug |
17:57.47 | erc | looks more legit |
18:01.06 | scummos | killown: can you describe the problem again, I'm not sure I understand it correctly |
18:02.27 | erc | hard to see why or how Emulate3Buttons can be so harmful |
18:02.57 | erc | maybe he mouses with mittens :) |
18:03.10 | scummos | yes, I'm wondering too |
18:03.19 | scummos | in which case you press left and right mouse button simultaneously? |
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18:03.34 | erc | you want to paste imho |
18:03.51 | scummos | yes |
18:04.06 | scummos | well, my notebook does have a middle mouse button, so I use that for pasting |
18:04.08 | scummos | but yes |
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18:05.51 | scummos | killown: check in xev what kind of event is registered |
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18:06.36 | killown | scummos, xev says Emulate3ButtonsEmulate3ButtonsEmulate3Buttons |
18:07.01 | scummos | hmm |
18:07.36 | scummos | sorry, I'm not sure how this stuff works |
18:08.20 | killown | http://bpaste.net/show/ePAa6dSvdZhPCIEsnD6e/ |
18:08.56 | scummos | I guess that button2 is the middle button |
18:09.08 | killown | yes |
18:09.12 | scummos | hm |
18:09.17 | killown | I was pressing button 1 and 3 |
18:09.20 | killown | at the same time |
18:09.27 | killown | then it get button2 |
18:09.41 | killown | where kde is get this mouse emulation |
18:09.47 | killown | getting* |
18:09.59 | scummos | did you try something like twm, which doesn't change anything about that for sure |
18:10.04 | scummos | like, launch twm, and then xev in twm |
18:10.10 | scummos | and see if it's still there |
18:10.19 | killown | scummos, unity and gnome-shell doesn't emulate it |
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18:10.50 | scummos | that doesn't really say that much, because they might do something to explicitly disable it |
18:11.01 | killown | ok |
18:11.10 | scummos | I'd check with something that doesn't change it for sure |
18:11.13 | scummos | like twm or so |
18:11.38 | killown | I am installing twm |
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18:17.31 | killown | scummos, you right, this problem also happens with twm |
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18:17.49 | scummos | ok |
18:17.55 | scummos | then the problem is in the X configuration, not in KDE |
18:18.07 | scummos | and gnome probably does something to disable it, no idea how that works |
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18:20.30 | Aknot | How do i delete channel in quassel? |
18:20.59 | erc | killown: Leave -- > switch user --> New session |
18:21.17 | erc | vt8 rules :) |
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18:21.33 | killown | http://who-t.blogspot.com.br/2011/04/gnome-30-middle-mouse-button-emulation.html |
18:22.02 | scummos | that looks like it ;p |
18:22.50 | killown | happens that kde ignore xorg option |
18:23.04 | killown | ignores* |
18:23.24 | erc | nvidia is not xorg |
18:23.47 | killown | why are you still persisting on nvidia? |
18:23.55 | killown | xorg deal with mouse input |
18:24.11 | killown | nvidia has nothing to do with it |
18:24.57 | erc | nvidia fork and break everything, then its all xorg's fault |
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18:26.13 | killown | so you are suggesting kde developers should ignore the nvidia break and doesn't adapt and fix anything |
18:26.33 | killown | you don't even know if it has something related to nvidia driver |
18:27.00 | erc | kde or xorg cannot debug nvidia |
18:27.05 | killown | gnome developers knows something that kde developers doesn't know, this is because they removed emulate3buttons by default |
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18:28.47 | scummos | fact is that the mistake happens in X11 |
18:28.47 | thiago | emulate3buttons is not a KDE or GNOME option |
18:28.50 | thiago | it's an X option |
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18:29.31 | killown | thiago, YES, I know, but kde doesn't take the xorg.conf option |
18:29.38 | thiago | killown: run xev |
18:29.43 | killown | I did |
18:29.44 | thiago | press both keys |
18:29.51 | killown | still emulates middle button |
18:29.55 | killown | did it with scummos |
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18:30.56 | scummos | killown: we have seen that it's not KDEs fault, it's wrong in twm too |
18:31.03 | scummos | search the problem in your X configuration |
18:31.05 | Aknot | Problem: When i start up computer this comes up: Personal contacts: Directory /home/user/.local/share/contacts/ does not exist |
18:31.06 | thiago | do you get a ButtonPress, with button 2? |
18:31.32 | killown | thiago, yes |
18:31.34 | killown | I get |
18:31.36 | erc | xorg "removed emulate3buttons by default" years ago |
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18:32.26 | killown | scummos, the thing is gnome has a option to enable and disable it in gnome-settings kde doesn't |
18:32.35 | thiago | killown: but in KDE applications, the applications don't get an MMB ? |
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18:32.51 | thiago | KDE doesn't need the setting |
18:32.53 | thiago | X has the setting |
18:32.56 | killown | thiago, on konsole it get middle mouse button |
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18:33.42 | thiago | how are you testing the apps? |
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18:34.35 | killown | thiago, pressing the two buttons at same time on any app |
18:35.01 | scummos | is driver "mouse" even correct |
18:35.13 | killown | this option is useless nowdays, was useful long time ago, why not kde removes it by default too |
18:35.37 | thiago | killown: because it's still useful today |
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18:35.40 | scummos | ... you can aswell go ask the twm guys why they don't oO |
18:36.10 | scummos | killown: try using driver "evdev" instead of mouse, just to see what happens |
18:36.10 | thiago | that's how I paste with my touchpad |
18:36.10 | thiago | killown: anyway, how are you testing? |
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18:37.30 | killown | thiago, I am not understanding your question, test how? |
18:37.53 | thiago | killown: are you saying that the LMB+RMB press is not producing MMB? |
18:38.00 | killown | pressing two mouse buttons should only take the button 3 on desktop |
18:38.15 | killown | thiago, I am saying its producing |
18:38.26 | thiago | then it's working perfectly |
18:38.51 | killown | NO this is annoying and useless I have the middle button why it emulates when I press LMB_RMB |
18:39.17 | thiago | configure X not to emulate then |
18:39.19 | thiago | it's an X setting |
18:39.30 | thiago | I need the emulation |
18:39.40 | killown | x is configured to do this but kde doesn't take the conf |
18:39.49 | killown | gnome takes |
18:39.50 | scummos | killown: god, no, you're wrong |
18:39.59 | scummos | killown: we had this a couple of times now |
18:40.03 | thiago | killown: you've just proven that X is configured to *enable* Emulate3Buttons |
18:40.04 | scummos | killown: the mistake is on the X side |
18:40.13 | thiago | and that KDE applications are working perfectly by accepting the emulations |
18:40.20 | scummos | yes |
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18:40.27 | thiago | so everything is working exactly as expected |
18:40.27 | scummos | killown: go change the driver to evdev, maybe it helps ;P |
18:40.32 | killown | thiago, are you fucking kidding me? my question was simple |
18:40.36 | thiago | killown: I'm not |
18:40.41 | scummos | thiago: well actually not, since he has disabled it explicitly in xorg.conf |
18:40.42 | thiago | killown: I do not understand what your issue is |
18:40.43 | scummos | and X still does it |
18:40.45 | killown | how to remove emulate 3 buttons from kde? |
18:40.45 | scummos | but it's an X problem |
18:40.51 | thiago | killown: configure X to disable it |
18:40.59 | scummos | killown: it has nothing to do with KDE. search the problem in the X stack. |
18:41.04 | scummos | killown: change the driver |
18:41.07 | scummos | to evdev |
18:41.10 | scummos | from mouse |
18:41.14 | scummos | maybe it helpf |
18:41.16 | scummos | *helps |
18:41.53 | killown | man you are just drop the fault to xorg and let the user look for where is the problem |
18:41.54 | thiago | killown: I had misunderstood you |
18:42.07 | thiago | killown: if all you want is to change the setting, then do it. |
18:42.08 | thiago | killown: in xorg.conf |
18:42.10 | killown | if its or not a xorg fault |
18:42.12 | scummos | killown: you did test it in twm, didn't you? it was wrong there too, wasn't it? |
18:42.26 | killown | KDE should handle this and able to enable and disable it |
18:42.28 | scummos | so why do you insist it must be configurable in KDE, it must not |
18:42.31 | killown | gnome already do this |
18:42.42 | scummos | I honestly don't care what gnome does :) |
18:42.44 | thiago | we haven't felt the need to add the option to KDE system settings |
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18:42.47 | thiago | maybe we should |
18:42.54 | scummos | yes, maybe |
18:42.55 | thiago | but currently there is no such option |
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18:43.03 | killown | you honestly don't know to fix the problem and is taking my time, please... |
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18:43.16 | thiago | killown: there used to be an option in xorg.conf |
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18:43.22 | thiago | killown: I haven't messed with it in years |
18:43.29 | thiago | killown: if it doesn't work, then I'm sorry, but we can't help you |
18:43.37 | thiago | killown: it's an X problem. Maybe #X or #xorg can help you. |
18:43.41 | scummos | killown: PLEASE CHANGE THE DRIVER TO EVDEV |
18:43.48 | killown | scummos, please ignore me |
18:43.48 | scummos | (sorry for caps lock, but I said it like 4 times now) |
18:43.49 | thiago | scummos: he's probably already using evdev |
18:43.57 | thiago | scummos: I'm using evdev and emulation is enabled |
18:44.01 | scummos | thiago: no, he uses mouse, that's what is written in xorg.conf |
18:44.17 | thiago | scummos: xorg.conf ignores the settings unless you add a specific option |
18:44.25 | scummos | hm, what settings? |
18:44.26 | thiago | so it might look like that, but not be enabled |
18:44.44 | thiago | I don't remember the name, it's something weird |
18:44.54 | thiago | xorg will get the info from udev and will use that by default |
18:45.00 | thiago | you need to tell it to stop using udev first |
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18:45.50 | scummos | ah, you mean xorg ignores the xorg.conf file and autodetects everything |
18:46.09 | thiago | it will autodetect. Which means it will use what it detected first, over what has been configured. |
18:46.23 | ChemBro | xorg.conf is deprecated, so it should? |
18:46.28 | scummos | a typical X feature |
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18:46.41 | scummos | every sane application would look for the config file and use it if present |
18:47.20 | killown | ChemBro, it still can handle Option "foo" "bar" |
18:47.33 | ChemBro | the conf-files are in xorg.conf.d now |
18:48.30 | erc | not meant to be user editable |
18:48.45 | erc | still xorg.conf for that |
18:48.58 | erc | as last resort |
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18:51.47 | scummos | killown: I'd really recommend to ask #xorg or so, they might know how to configure this correctly |
18:55.59 | erc | mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.bogus |
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20:45.57 | Aknot | How do i make magnet links to work on deluge, im using opera |
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20:54.40 | Mogger | Aknot: have you tried googling? http://my.opera.com/metrallik/blog/2012/03/12/configure-magnet-links-with-opera |
20:55.01 | Mogger | btw, neither deluge or opera are kde applications ;) |
20:55.03 | Aknot | I was just on that site :D |
20:55.31 | Aknot | i know, but im unable to use any other browser than opera, its too good compared to others |
20:56.02 | Aknot | btw i need to set deluge as the default application for magnets so where can i find it |
20:56.07 | Aknot | i mean which folders |
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20:57.34 | Mogger | Aknot: just thought it was strange that you ask in #kde when the applications aren't kde-related :P |
20:57.56 | Aknot | i thought deluge was :P |
20:58.02 | Mogger | not sure what you mean by the last question - usually you set the default applications in system setting |
20:58.19 | Mogger | but I don't think you need to do that if you follow the information on that page, do you? |
20:58.22 | Aknot | in opera im setting the default application for magnet links |
20:58.39 | Aknot | it says this on that site |
20:58.49 | Aknot | so are the program in /bin or??? |
20:59.02 | Mogger | ah |
20:59.08 | Mogger | depends on you distro |
20:59.12 | Mogger | usually /usr/bin |
21:01.17 | Aknot | wohoo it works |
21:01.54 | Mogger | :) |
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21:02.08 | Mogger | if you want a kde torrent client, I can recommen ktorrent |
21:02.15 | Mogger | +d |
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21:33.11 | ponyofde1th | anyone can help me wit these errors? http://bpaste.net/show/V3ssQvfcI280wUOhiZIX/ having usses with windows not redrwaing after keyboard inputs and such. |
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21:43.18 | lac | I need a favour from somebody who is a knowledgable kde and debian user who also uses network manager. |
21:43.55 | lac | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#NetworkManager |
21:44.54 | lac | is out of date. It refers to an old version of kde and knetworkmanager which hasn't been in debian testing or unstable for years now. |
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21:45.39 | lac | I do not know what kde users should be doing to get network manager working for them. |
21:45.58 | kde__pepo | there is the network management plasmoid today |
21:46.09 | lac | as I am not a kde user. But I run a site where we host network games. |
21:46.49 | lac | I would really like it if somebody who knows what this page should say would edit the wiki and make it say that. |
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21:47.12 | kde__pepo | as long as you ship the latest version of it (0.9 branch), it should "just work", lamarque has put a lot of work into it. |
21:47.45 | lac | ok, it is not working for lots of people who show up here -- they have wicd not network manager installed. |
21:48.04 | lac | and, for I cannot tell why, wicd is not working. |
21:48.24 | kde__pepo | well, the plasmoid doesn't handle wicd, as far as I know |
21:48.44 | lac | network manager works, I can get things to work for debian users who run gnome or openbox or lxde |
21:49.07 | kde__pepo | might be perhaps better to post on forum.kde.org, a lot more people will read that |
21:49.08 | lac | but I cannot get the kde ones to work, if they are running debian. |
21:49.49 | lac | ok. thank you. sorry to be a pain. |
21:50.09 | kde__pepo | you aren't, its just a bit late here in europe :) |
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21:52.01 | lac | I live in Sweden, but we run these network events in the evening--night. :-) |
21:52.26 | lac | So after the carnage, people generally go home at about 23:00 here. |
21:56.49 | lac | hmmm there are a lot of sub forums for http://forum.kde.org/ |
21:57.16 | lac | you think this is a 'system program or utility' question? |
21:57.27 | kde__pepo | I guess "Internet & Network" fits better? |
21:58.00 | lac | that was my choice #2, I will try that instead. thank you. |
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22:01.47 | Mogger | lac: why doesn't wicd work? can't it connect to the network, or are there problems with the games? |
22:04.10 | lac | I don't know why wicd didn't work. But I only tried to make it work for nm, on the grounds that I use that one and not wicd |
22:04.46 | lac | it coudn't connect to the network. |
22:04.58 | lac | though we gave it the correct password. |
22:05.15 | Mogger | what kind of network is it? |
22:05.37 | Mogger | I've had problems with wicd and eduroam, otherwise it works fine here |
22:06.47 | lac | local wifi wpa/wpa2 psk |
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22:10.01 | lac | I think the problem with the debian kde users is that they could not find a nm applet -- or a wicd one if there are such things, and this should work. |
22:10.39 | Mogger | hm, the wicd issue seems to be a bug |
22:10.58 | Mogger | maybe you would tell them to try something like this: http://stealthlizard.blogspot.se/2008/10/wicd-for-wpa2-psk.html |
22:11.28 | Mogger | there's wicd-client which is gtk-based, and a wicd plasmoid on kde-apps.org |
22:13.24 | lac | aha. this looks very much like it could be my problem. My larger problem is that every night I want people to come to the site and play the game, and not need my help, or much of my help to get up and running. |
22:13.37 | lac | so I will bookmark this. |
22:14.02 | lac | but is there a *how to get wifi to work on plasmoid* page somewhere? |
22:14.50 | lac | I have people coming here who are 12 years old and never have made a wifi connection at all. |
22:15.21 | Mogger | well, if it's a bug in wicd, using a wicd frontend won't help |
22:15.36 | Mogger | I don't use networkmanager so I don't now about that one |
22:16.30 | lac | Since I didn |
22:16.33 | lac | 't |
22:17.36 | lac | know anything about wicd, when I could not get it to work, I gave up quickly and instead concentrated on getting nm to work for the people whose wifi wasn't happening automatically. |
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22:18.03 | lac | and this worked fine except for the people on kde and debian. |
22:18.20 | Mogger | hm, doesn't gnome's nm applet work in kde as well? |
22:18.43 | lac | Maybe kde and other places would also not have worked, biut around here it is ubuntu and denbian mostly. |
22:19.31 | lac | Mogger: I could be wrong, but there used to be a different kde nm applet |
22:19.50 | Mogger | yes, there's a plasmoid as well |
22:20.01 | Mogger | only used it briefly in kubuntu |
22:20.19 | lac | aha. then this is the piece of information that is missing from |
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22:20.40 | lac | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#NetworkManager |
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22:21.39 | lac | I would like to get this updated with the correct information. |
22:22.16 | Mogger | in Arch it's called kdeplasma-applets-networkmangement if the Arch wiki is correct |
22:22.27 | lac | if it talks of knetworkmnager then it is at least 2 years out of date for debian. |
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22:23.42 | Mogger | maybe this? http://packages.debian.org/sid/plasma-widget-networkmanagement |
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22:25.23 | lac | http://packages.debian.org/testing/kde/plasma-widget-networkmanagement |
22:25.35 | lac | aha, you find this as do I. |
22:26.37 | lac | Okay, tomorrow, early, I will get to the site and see if this works. |
22:27.13 | lac | if it does, I will come back here and see if you approve of the wording of the patch I prpose to make toi the debian wiki |
22:27.14 | Mogger | hope it works :) |
22:27.55 | Mogger | probably better to ask in #debian or something like that, as I don't know about debian and its community etc. |
22:27.56 | lac | because I am not a kde user, so I might botchthe language, not to mention that it is english which i am more comfortable speaking than writing formally |
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22:28.35 | lac | and then if you think I have done an ok job, I wil lsend this to the debian people and see if we can get this into the wiki so everybody benefits. |
22:29.19 | erc | #debian-kde@OFTC |
22:29.29 | lac | The debian people are really good at telling you how to get a patch to where it belongs. |
22:29.50 | lac | they are not so hot at telling you if this wording makes sense to a kde user. |
22:30.13 | Mogger | pretty sure you can just edit it, since it's a wiki (can't swear on it though as I don't know the guidelines for it) |
22:30.36 | Mogger | but sure, if I'm here tomorrow I can take a quick look at the wording if you want |
22:31.15 | lac | all the more reason to make sure that I make kde sense. Since I am a hetetical openbox user, and might not get the subtleties. |
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22:35.21 | lac | at any rate, thank you all and especially Mogger and kde__pepo |
22:35.33 | Mogger | np |
22:38.49 | newbie999 | Hi. Please, tell me, where I can read about values in plasma* files (what means "zvalue", for example?) ? |
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