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00:02.57 | foobarz | I'm having trouble with System Monitor panel widget. It won't display the sensors for temperatures correctly |
00:03.52 | foobarz | it will only display like 4 of them, and when I go into the settings and checkmark more temp sensors to show, it then is unable to show them or any temp sensors |
00:04.06 | foobarz | the pop up is just black |
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00:44.15 | aditsu | hi, I set the shortcut meta+e for dolphin, but it's not working (nothing happens when I press it) |
00:44.26 | aditsu | how can I fix it? |
00:44.38 | aditsu | kde 4.8.5 on ubuntu |
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01:21.47 | flapz | kde 4.8.5 How do I change logout picture? |
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01:32.54 | o_a|kde4 | flapz: I guess you don't, unless you create a new plasma theme |
01:33.13 | o_a|kde4 | That is, if you're talking about that moon |
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01:37.18 | flapz | o_a|kde4: yeah that moon is gay. |
01:37.30 | flapz | is there a way to edit the moon picture? |
01:37.36 | o_a|kde4 | No |
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02:14.09 | blackmatrix_ny | yo yo yo...just switched to kde after gnome and xfce...i gotta say...its fucking AMAZINGGGGG |
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02:56.47 | desti | has kmail somewhere a log? |
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03:05.17 | blackmatrix_ny | desti: /home/<id>/log |
03:05.37 | blackmatrix_ny | desti: i think...just started using kde :-) |
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03:06.02 | desti | ah, doesn't matter...figured out it was a server side problem :-) |
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06:44.22 | Phog | hi |
06:44.32 | Phog | what's the windows branch channel name? |
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06:45.33 | tsimpson | Phog: #kde-windows |
06:45.43 | Phog | thanks |
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06:47.25 | danieltree | is there a way to move the activity toolbox from the up right corner? |
06:48.52 | danieltree | in some screenshots it looks like a 1/4 circle ..mine it's a rectangle with a text saying "Desktop" |
06:49.32 | Jucato | danieltree: just drag it. when it's in a corner, it's a circle |
06:50.03 | danieltree | Jucato: aha ...got it ... |
06:50.04 | danieltree | thanks |
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06:50.42 | Jucato | no prob |
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07:07.25 | foobarz | im back... system monitor widget, temperature display doesn't work right for me... anyone else have problems wit hit? |
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07:21.44 | konqui | foobarz: does lmsensors work? |
07:22.43 | foobarz | konqui: "sensors" command shows my sensors |
07:23.46 | konqui | foobarz: What KDE version do you use? |
07:24.48 | foobarz | konqui: 4.8.5 |
07:25.21 | konqui | foobarz: Its working here on KDE 4.9.1 (Kubuntu). I have an Intel 945 Express chipset |
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07:30.05 | pingufan | Hello. Since literally weeks I try to find a way to add/delete meetings and todos to my deaktop's korganizer from an external application. Whenever I modify the file (content is correct!) korganizer crashes and I have to restart it. How can I do that correctly and without a crash? |
07:30.32 | pingufan | Currently I try to modify the .vcf file. |
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07:33.47 | foobarz | konqui: I configure it (check the temp sensors in the config), but it does keep the settings... only 4 temp sensors in the list will stay checked |
07:34.21 | foobarz | konqui: it doesn't keep all the temp sensors checked |
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07:34.53 | konqui | foobarz: No idea maybe the senors no longer exist or don't work |
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07:35.53 | foobarz | konqui: the design of this system monitor widget is confusing... when I first add it, it shows a line of icons on the panel, then I click one of them and it shrinks into a ksysguard icon after that |
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07:37.08 | foobarz | konqui: in ksysguard (the full system monitor application), I can look at all my sensors |
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07:38.48 | konqui | No idea then, I only have 3 sensors on this machine (and 2 point to the same thing CPU1, CPU2) and all work |
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07:39.30 | pingufan | noone here who goes into the depths of korganizer? |
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07:47.53 | hateball | So I've got maximum transparency set for inactive windows, so they all fade away when not focused. Which is nice. But I would like to disable this for windows that are set to "always on top", is that possible? |
07:48.22 | hateball | I can set custom window rules based on title and all that jazz, but I don't see a way to apply rules to windows that are set to "always on top" |
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07:50.25 | konqui | hateball: I don't think there is a way |
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07:59.19 | hateball | konqui: That's most unfortunate for my workflow |
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07:59.47 | hateball | I like having everything inactive hidden away, but sometimes you need to have two windows side by side for stuff |
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08:02.10 | konqui | hateball: Maybe plasma-netbook with its window switcher would be better? |
08:02.45 | shtrb | should stuff in playground/pim be able to build with only the kde libs ? (syncml fail to build due to missing deps ) |
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08:02.59 | hateball | I don't find plasma-netbook to be nice to play with on my desktop |
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08:17.04 | yopher | hateball: I think you can use a kwin script for that. |
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08:18.19 | foobarz | the biggest problem with kde is probably how things in kde are named... like what the heck does nepomuk or akonadi or whatever mean? |
08:19.12 | foobarz | and "semantic desktop"... sorry, but sounds like someone just took over kde as their research project or something |
08:19.22 | muep | I do not think either of those names would ideally be presented to the user |
08:19.23 | foobarz | okay, I finished my rant |
08:19.46 | muep | they are both back-end stuff for implementing useful features |
08:20.52 | foobarz | i'd prefer very straight forward names, and not try to hide the backend stuff really |
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08:25.58 | foobarz | i disable the desktop search feature because I don't understand it, and never liked file indexing type of stuff... am I turning off a good feature? what is the use of it? |
08:27.03 | foobarz | i like kde, since a long time, but now some things seem strange with it |
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08:29.32 | konqui | foobarz: Its great for searches, finding emails, etc |
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08:33.53 | hateball | foobarz: once you get the hang of it, doing anything outside krunner is just a huge pain |
08:34.05 | hateball | that is, just type to find whatever you want to do |
08:34.28 | Palee3 | with Kmail and Kgpg can i make a keychain? to encrypt messages with multiple public keys at once, and not separately. |
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08:37.37 | foobarz | what does akonadi do? i once tried to disable it or remove it... then my calender didn't have any holidays info anymore |
08:37.49 | shtrb | anyone aobut building from playground ? |
08:38.36 | hateball | foobarz: it's the DB for all the KDEpim stuff.... |
08:38.36 | shtrb | foobarz, akonadi is the low level solution that allow kde apps to interact with PIM related services |
08:38.52 | hateball | a good thing to do is to read what things do *before* you remove them |
08:39.35 | foobarz | my calander isn't displaying correctly |
08:40.09 | foobarz | i click on the clock and mouseover a holiday date, but the info is displayed on the right side and off the screen |
08:40.21 | foobarz | or is jammed up against the right of the screen |
08:40.36 | shtrb | foobarz, that sound as an acutall bug in the plasmoid / kontact |
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08:43.48 | ezakimak | hateball, except that krunner crashes frequently while attempting to type in it.... |
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08:45.13 | hateball | ezakimak: Well that sounds like a bug. It's supposed to work, and it does so for me at least |
08:45.20 | ezakimak | it used to work for me |
08:45.27 | ezakimak | hasn't been reliable in over a year for me |
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08:45.38 | shtrb | ezakimak , are you on debian AMD64 ? |
08:45.42 | ezakimak | nope |
08:45.46 | ezakimak | gentoo amd64 |
08:46.00 | hateball | tried purging the nepomuk db etc? |
08:46.11 | ezakimak | i have all that turned off |
08:46.13 | shtrb | perhaps the same bug that was in debian (KDE 4.7 and 4.8) |
08:46.21 | ezakimak | i'm on 4.9.1 now |
08:46.24 | hateball | I don't really know what stuff to try, its only "just worked" for me |
08:46.33 | ezakimak | it used to "just work" for me |
08:46.35 | shtrb | oh , that ain't the sigsegv in krunner then |
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08:46.40 | ezakimak | but since 4.6 or so it's become unreliable |
08:46.55 | ezakimak | randomly crash on me |
08:47.16 | ezakimak | oh, and sometimes it plain doesn't work, eg "firefox -new-instance<ret>" and it does nothing--won't launch it. |
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08:47.29 | shtrb | ezakimak, what about installing dbg symbols , setting ulimit and sending the info on a crash ? |
08:47.51 | ezakimak | one of these days when i have time, maybe |
08:48.38 | shtrb | here is my backtrace that had been fixed in 4.8.4 (http://pastebin.com/DaBaEnqK) |
08:48.54 | ezakimak | it's is surely inconvenient, but it takes time to reinstall the app w/dbg, and i'd hate having to logout |
08:48.56 | foobarz | i have to move my clock so it is not close to the right side of the screen |
08:48.57 | shtrb | sorry wrong paste (that is without debug symbols) |
08:49.30 | shtrb | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301089 |
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08:51.32 | foobarz | oh man, even after I moved the clock, it still doesn't show the calender correct |
08:52.20 | foobarz | are these plasmoid things a failure? i think it has been many years now and they have problems |
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08:54.06 | muep | they have bugs, so you think they should be declared a failure? |
08:54.24 | ezakimak | i never use plasmoid thingys, or widgets or any of that stuff--i never even see the "desktop" (imo that paradigm is broken) |
08:54.34 | foobarz | kind of yes... because of the length of time now that they remain buggy |
08:54.53 | muep | the KDE panel has mostly worked just fine for me |
08:55.19 | ezakimak | i wish there were a decent task switcher though--neither sort options are adequate |
08:55.49 | foobarz | this length of time demonstrates that the problems are deep and likely to remain, so maybe best to abondon it |
08:55.57 | muep | imo, most of the important functionality in plasma works just fine |
08:56.04 | muep | but it could be a bit better polished |
08:57.12 | ezakimak | imo, and i dunno if kde devs are already doing this, kde needs to stop adding features and spend a few long cycles just bug fixing, fixing memory usage, and cleaning up the ux |
08:57.32 | ezakimak | making "activities" completely optional would be grand. (I have no use for it) |
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08:57.42 | muep | I have fewer issues with the gnome-shell panel, but OTOH it does not try to cover nearly all the features of plasma |
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08:57.57 | ezakimak | atm, my console-kit-daemon uses 4GB of ram... crazy. |
08:58.03 | shtrb | ezakimak, +1 for the less fetures more stable with less memory and cpu footprint |
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08:58.21 | ezakimak | i've never been able to enable the fancy desktop effects |
08:58.29 | muep | aren't activities practically invisible if you just remove the switcher from panel? |
08:58.37 | ezakimak | not sure if it's kdm or nvidia that can't handle it, but it eventually breaks if i try |
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08:58.58 | ezakimak | there's that "new activity" button in the top-right of the desktop always now, and lots of menu items about it |
08:59.15 | ezakimak | i wish i could compile it completely away |
08:59.19 | shtrb | muep, nope they still take memory and get cpu time |
08:59.33 | ezakimak | i will *never* use it |
09:00.05 | ezakimak | maybe some people like a 2nd, kinda-somewhat-orthogonal concept to virtual desktops? |
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09:00.23 | ezakimak | seems to seriously violate the kiss principle though |
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09:01.11 | muep | shtrb: in some amount you can measure? |
09:01.27 | ezakimak | already hard enough to recall *which* window has a specific tab, now some ppl have to also remember in which activity the window was in? |
09:01.39 | shtrb | yes, I did that with BFS kernel |
09:01.42 | ezakimak | (and which virtual desktop) |
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09:02.44 | ezakimak | fck. krunner just crashed on me again. |
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09:03.04 | ezakimak | and... now it won't "go" |
09:03.15 | ezakimak | there it went. |
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09:04.46 | shtrb | ezakimak (kwin if that was for me) |
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09:06.29 | ezakimak | i'm glad they recently announced they're gonna redo the whole dynamic monitor stuff to finally make it work |
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09:07.18 | shtrb | ezakimak, please tell |
09:07.22 | ezakimak | sucks when i connect a projector to my laptop, and it always move my taskbar to the projector--where it doesn't actually show up because it's a smaller vertical res... |
09:07.55 | shtrb | oh thank you |
09:08.04 | ezakimak | so, i'm glad they're working on fixing all that |
09:08.53 | ezakimak | i don't recall their release target for it though, 4.10 maybe? |
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09:09.46 | shtrb | I just hope their next change will not drasticly change low level stuff that did work , I'm still stuck with less usabuility then in 3.5.9 |
09:09.55 | shtrb | in the PIM libs that is |
09:10.04 | ezakimak | pim has been a disaster imo |
09:10.06 | foobarz | well, this is weird... 4.5.5 worked better than this 4.8.5... I feel confused now |
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09:10.25 | ezakimak | i actually could not start kmail between 4.6 and 4.8--4.9 was the first time it would start for me |
09:10.29 | shtrb | ezakimak, in 3.5.9 or in the 4 branch ? |
09:10.53 | MarcoPau | hi, I wanted to ask you if it's possible not to show the hidden files and folders in the dolphin windows when selecting attachments/opening files from various apps. Thanks a lot |
09:11.01 | ezakimak | because i had some old accounts that couldn't connect--and it wouldn't let me start up enough to delete them--justs crashed first |
09:11.10 | shtrb | the saddast part when stuff get broken your abuility to recover is .... allmost none |
09:11.36 | ezakimak | amazingly, it didn't seem to lose any emails in all that |
09:11.42 | shtrb | rzakimak , I had a simmilar issue so I copied mannually the data |
09:12.34 | ezakimak | the whole move to akonadi seemed far reaching, and possibly, arguably, overkill |
09:12.42 | ezakimak | cause before, pim worked great (afaict) |
09:12.52 | ezakimak | i still don't have a working address book |
09:12.58 | shtrb | only if that overkill would actually work better ... |
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09:13.11 | ezakimak | it's more complicated, == more room for bugs |
09:13.15 | ezakimak | and less user-friendly |
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09:13.48 | ezakimak | imo, the defaults should have gotten more love--it should have "just worked" like it did before w/o extra configuration to maintain the prior behavior |
09:14.01 | ezakimak | i still haven't figured out kab |
09:14.02 | shtrb | btw did you continue to use the PIM of kontact or you moved to something else (addressbook,kmobile etc) |
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09:14.10 | shtrb | ? |
09:14.15 | ezakimak | i just quit using it--now i just use gmail |
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09:14.29 | ezakimak | i used to love kmail |
09:14.41 | ezakimak | but it's been so long, i kinda forgot it |
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09:15.00 | shtrb | well , they killed kmobiletools they killed kaddreesbook and kmail is not usable |
09:15.26 | ezakimak | also, i'm kinda addicted to gmail's threading style now, so kmail would need to add that |
09:15.36 | ezakimak | er "conversations" |
09:15.45 | shtrb | yesterday I was importing contacts and the damn thing got stuck in a loop and imported 10 times every single contact |
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09:15.51 | ezakimak | ouch |
09:16.08 | shtrb | btw kmail used had that option |
09:16.18 | ezakimak | it did? |
09:16.19 | shtrb | yes , still using gmail to fix the dups |
09:16.39 | ezakimak | i think sync is still a big problem that noone has solved well yet |
09:16.42 | shtrb | you had the whole directory style view for messages |
09:16.45 | ezakimak | not even apple has it down |
09:17.09 | foobarz | i used kmail 10 years ago and it worked for the most part, but i do little email anymore for a very long time... you guys say kmail after 10 more years is broken now? |
09:17.17 | ezakimak | in general, lots of people are afraid of sync, because it's not clear what it's about to do--duplicate their data? delete their data? both happens |
09:17.34 | ezakimak | yep. kmail, kdepim is in a poor state still |
09:17.53 | ezakimak | they did a massive reworking starting back in early 4.x, and still haven't gotten in back to where it was in 3.5 |
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09:17.59 | shtrb | kdepim , become in poor state in the 4 branch it was very usable before |
09:18.21 | ezakimak | i used it from 2.0 through 3.5.9, was very pleased |
09:18.40 | ezakimak | it's now been over a year since i could use it |
09:19.11 | ezakimak | last i tried it looked promising though, so we'll see |
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09:22.40 | ezakimak | looks like 4.9.2 hit portage |
09:23.01 | foobarz | wow, this calender on my clock is severely screwed up... in fact, there is a column of dates on the left with dates in the month like 40,41,42 etc! what a joke! |
09:23.05 | shtrb | ezakimak, check if you have Thread list in message headers in kmail config it might be what you are looking for |
09:23.46 | shtrb | foobarz , looner months ? |
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09:23.58 | shtrb | *lunar |
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09:24.24 | ezakimak | shtrb, where? |
09:24.33 | shtrb | foobarz, there are calendars that provide more then 30 days |
09:24.45 | ezakimak | under appearance, "message list" tab there is "default aggregation", that it? |
09:24.48 | shtrb | ezakimak, kontact settings |
09:24.53 | foobarz | oh, so those are week numbers |
09:24.54 | ezakimak | kontact or kmail? |
09:25.17 | charlie_007 | hi......... Respected sir..i want a junior job in kde to start... i have a little knowledge of c , c++,python |
09:25.23 | shtrb | ezakimak , kmail is a subclass of kmail (both would work) |
09:25.28 | ezakimak | right |
09:25.34 | shtrb | and yes I think that is the option |
09:26.36 | ezakimak | hrm. they should have one that simply says "gmail style" |
09:26.46 | ezakimak | cause i have no idea which one is the same |
09:26.57 | shtrb | that option was in other systems before gmail existed |
09:27.05 | ezakimak | usability fail--the advanced configuration is the only configuration... |
09:27.33 | ezakimak | yes, but now people know gmail, so relabling it as a quick choice makes sense |
09:27.49 | shtrb | ezakimak , that why I say the system is worse |
09:27.53 | ezakimak | i agree |
09:28.01 | ezakimak | it's not for novice users, really |
09:28.21 | ezakimak | i like that it has so much configurability, but they need to expose it better |
09:28.44 | ezakimak | takes a good IA and UX design team to do that though |
09:28.57 | shtrb | I'm not an new user of KDE nor of computer systems (more then 22 years of usage) yet I find that not design well for me |
09:29.12 | ezakimak | as it stands, they just expose everything they have, *plop* there ya go! style |
09:29.52 | ezakimak | *good* UI design, however, is *extremely difficult* |
09:30.11 | shtrb | it would be much great if they will allow the style of Cups, the config is regular config file and the gui represent a subset of it |
09:30.17 | shtrb | *in my opnion |
09:30.20 | ezakimak | where it's coded by devs for devs, it tends to be feature rich and UI-poor |
09:30.40 | ezakimak | so, how it got to where it is, is perfectly explainable |
09:31.08 | ezakimak | but now that it has tons of features, the next set of "features" imo, ought to be UI design |
09:31.34 | foobarz | well hell, I removed and readded the digital clock and it display okay now |
09:31.39 | ezakimak | grandma will go dear-in-headlights trying to change anything |
09:31.48 | ezakimak | *deer |
09:32.13 | shtrb | what does that phrase mean ? (sorry first time I hear it) |
09:32.26 | ezakimak | deer-in-headlights? |
09:32.29 | shtrb | yep |
09:32.57 | ezakimak | common expression: when you shine headlights on a deer at night, they freeze, dumbfounded |
09:33.12 | ezakimak | they don't know what to do |
09:34.06 | shtrb | Oh , we don't have dears but we have other crazy reaction from animals to headlights : some boars and rabbits will run within the headlight and will not pass the light beam for miles |
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09:34.11 | ezakimak | for people, it generally means the information/situation exceeds their capacity for comprehension, so they are incapable of doing anything |
09:34.29 | shtrb | now I understand that , thank you |
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09:34.31 | ezakimak | shtrb, where are you? |
09:34.37 | shtrb | ezakimak, ME |
09:34.51 | ezakimak | maine? |
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09:35.48 | Taoki | Hi. Does KDE allow me to see my current system uptime (how long I haven't restarted for)? |
09:35.55 | foobarz | if you see bright lights, run away! |
09:36.11 | ezakimak | nah, run to the side--not directly away... :) |
09:36.43 | ezakimak | Taoki, you can run uptime from within a konsole |
09:36.56 | ezakimak | there may also be a desktop widget that will display it |
09:37.26 | Taoki | Thankjs. A widget I was hoping for too |
09:37.32 | Taoki | but i don't know one included with KDE |
09:37.53 | shtrb | if only the rabbits and boars would act like that , if one gets in the middle of highway you are stuck with them (if you heat a boar your car could crash) |
09:38.39 | ezakimak | Taoki, gkrell might have something |
09:38.55 | ezakimak | or search the widgets stuff |
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09:40.39 | Taoki | Also: Can anyone please explain me how to disable akonadi_launcher permanently? |
09:40.48 | Taoki | I get dozens of processes with that name spamming my system |
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09:41.30 | Taoki | akonadi_agent_launcher. Need to disable whatever spawns that |
09:41.43 | ezakimak | in system settings you disable the desktop search |
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09:44.01 | Taoki | ezakimak: Apparently, shutting down the Akonadi server fixed it. Not to just disable it from startup |
09:44.44 | Taoki | Ah... but Korganizer needs it, and I use that |
09:44.52 | ezakimak | ok. i turned it off a long time ago i think |
09:44.59 | ezakimak | or maybe just let it finish running the first time |
09:45.03 | ezakimak | i can't remember |
09:46.40 | Taoki | ezakimak: What setting should I exactly disable from it? It has a lot of things like calendar, contacts, etc |
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09:48.51 | shtrb | Takoi , in akonadi console start with disabling all then enabling one by one |
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09:50.31 | Taoki | Actually, I have a lot of duplicate "personal calendar" entries and more. Could that be why? |
09:50.43 | Taoki | I have like 10 "Personal Calendar" menu entries all with "no file selected" |
09:51.39 | Taoki | BBL |
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09:58.54 | shtrb | Takoi, yes it may |
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10:04.42 | charlie_007 | <Taoki>hello sir ,i am starting in open source so i need a small job in kde,sir plz give me any suggestion to start nad i know c++ and c. |
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10:09.48 | GillesM | hi I use Kde with ATI driver and I don't see echo on form input text in chromium ,and on Rekonq some button are inactive .. idea ? |
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10:29.08 | fournine2 | KDE made a 'release', but there isn't any documented way to install it, is there? |
10:29.59 | fournine2 | Can you perhaps change the concept of a release to what it was before? (An easy to install piece of software which doesn't require any thinking. ) |
10:30.38 | fournine2 | It seems that all large software projects have these problems, except for Linux. |
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10:32.31 | fournine2 | A linear sequence of xz files has been released, but it doesn't say that if you install it in that order that it will work. |
10:33.12 | fournine2 | Basically, you are asking people to solve a dependency problem instead of allowing them to just run a script to install KDE. |
10:33.21 | fournine2 | I don't get why you would do such a thing. |
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10:40.56 | danharibo | Hi |
10:41.05 | danharibo | Is KDE's wallpaper rotation meant to be awful |
10:41.11 | danharibo | I get the same few over and over |
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10:48.49 | andip | anyone able to tell me how i can disable the hibernation-thing that happens if i drop the lid on my laptop? |
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11:02.04 | foobarz | okay... now I see the widgets work fine when added onto the desktop, but just sometimes do not show good when they are used as popups |
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11:36.25 | asteroid | hi |
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11:36.49 | asteroid | I'm in reflexion about upgrading kde. The only one reason make me upgrade is a kmail feature : with the last kde, can we forward html formated message "as this" inline message, without loosing formating ? |
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11:37.48 | DaZ | andip: systemsettings -> power management |
11:37.54 | DaZ | dunno if anybody answered that :v |
11:41.04 | shtrb | asteroid from what version to what version ? |
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11:51.08 | asteroid | shtrb, don't care I think (I cannot look it now). I just would like to know if the last version of kmail does it or no |
11:52.16 | shtrb | asteroid, some version upgrade (4.2 to 4.8 for example) crippled the akonadi db for me and all email had to be re fetched |
11:52.34 | asteroid | that is not a matter |
11:52.58 | asteroid | to make the upgrade, I will read doc, forum, ... as usual |
11:53.12 | asteroid | I just need to know if this feature exists now or no |
11:53.27 | shtrb | Oh , then I have 4.8 where is that feture should hide ? |
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11:54.26 | asteroid | well |
11:54.38 | asteroid | take an html formatted message you receive |
11:54.42 | asteroid | and try to forward it |
11:54.47 | asteroid | (inline forward) |
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11:55.08 | asteroid | if the html become simple text, so the feature is not enable OR it does not exists |
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11:57.39 | asteroid | where can I see an online changelog, or webgit for kmail ? |
11:59.06 | dvratil | asteroid, http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=kdepim.git&a=summary |
11:59.21 | asteroid | ho thx dvratil |
11:59.32 | dvratil | it's not just kmail but all kdepim apps...you can clone it and run git log kdepim/kmail |
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12:21.55 | ponto | Hi, after upgrading to KDE 4.9 from opensuse the web shortcuts no longer work in the Alt+F2 menu. Does anyone know how to get it back? |
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12:35.34 | DaZ | ponto: is the plugin enabled |
12:35.41 | ponto | DaZ: yes. |
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12:41.11 | asteroid | there is lot of occurences related to 'htmlreplies'. |
12:42.12 | asteroid | is there a chanel where I can talk with "Torgny Nyblom <nyblom@kde.org>" ? somebody know him ? |
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12:45.06 | shtrb | asteroid , try #kontact |
12:45.39 | asteroid | yep, thx shtrb |
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12:52.42 | ponto | DaZ: found it. Somehow with kde 4.9 only preferred web shortcuts work. and I do not have any preferred ones. |
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12:53.24 | DaZ | huh |
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13:05.18 | ponto | DaZ: I guess the setting is new and it comes with some default shortcuts. However as always there are problems migrating from earlier kde versions. |
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13:11.57 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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14:18.21 | lordievader | Good afternoon |
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14:19.15 | silver_hook | Not fun — KMail not loading: "/usr/bin/kmail(12052)" Soprano: "Timeout (5)": "Command timed out." |
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15:36.39 | graense | Does anyone know how to have KDE automatically switch to a newly-launched application on a different desktop? |
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15:38.29 | rdieter | graense: you can use: kstart --desktop <x> --activate <app_of_choice> |
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15:39.44 | rdieter | I think you can also define custom kwin rules to do it too |
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15:42.18 | rdieter | though I can't find any kwin rule for that, maybe not. |
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15:44.53 | graense | Hmm, I thought there was a setting somewhere to automatically switch to a window that was demanding attention. Though that may have been tied to Daisy... |
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15:54.03 | rdieter | graense: that's the effect if you set "focus stealing prevention level" to none |
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15:54.19 | rdieter | mine had a setting of "low", which I think is the default |
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15:54.55 | rdieter | systemsettings->window behavior->window behavior section->focus tab |
15:56.53 | graense | Hmm, interesting. Thanks, rdieter! |
15:57.36 | Khas | Heya, is there a guide anywhere for how to access remote widgets and stuff on another machine? I'm trying to access a System Monitor widget and have it on my desktop so I can monitor that computer remotely. |
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16:12.46 | benkevan | Thank you #kde team for the great release of KDE 4.9.2 |
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17:10.48 | kbroulik | how can I uninstall a specific KIPI plugin? I have so many of them and they make the "Open with" menu in ksnapshot take forever to open, when just want to open it in Kolourpaint |
17:11.01 | kbroulik | and I dont need e.g. facebook, flickr, etc export. I tried removing their desktop files but when there is a KDE update theyre back |
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17:15.31 | vLassi | kbroulik: like this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=287663 ? |
17:15.53 | kbroulik | oh, okay |
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17:22.37 | utopik | Am I the only one to think that porting kde to windows is a bad idea ? |
17:22.56 | tsimpson | why is it a bad idea? |
17:23.12 | dyrvere | utopik: Yes, have you've seen Windows 8? :D |
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17:24.56 | utopik | I have just seen windows 8 videos, and I can say that it's the worst UI I have ever seen |
17:25.12 | vLassi | well, wait until you try |
17:25.18 | vLassi | it only gets much worse |
17:25.35 | FLHerne | utopik: The Windows port t doesn't work very well :P |
17:25.48 | utopik | It doesn't seems to be intuitive at all on a PC, maybe on tablet it is |
17:26.37 | utopik | FLHerne: It's why I think it would be better to focus on the native platform for wich KDE is made |
17:26.54 | FLHerne | There can't be that many people who've actually tried KDE on Windows, it's completely pointless :P |
17:27.08 | FLHerne | I put up with it for a week to see what happened :-) |
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17:28.06 | ChemBro | dolphin is better than any filemanager, so at least that replacement works :P |
17:28.10 | utopik | If windows users like KDE, then they have to change their OS that's it :) |
17:28.42 | tsimpson | the goal is not to replace the Windows desktop with the KDE desktop, but to make KDE applications work on Windows |
17:29.29 | utopik | I have tested amarok on W7 a day, It's not bug free, but it's running quite well ! :) |
17:29.29 | FLHerne | They don't anyway :P |
17:29.46 | fournine2 | ChemBro: Windows file manager has less bugs than Dolphin probably. |
17:30.30 | fournine2 | ChemBro: just looks at the huge list of open bugs in Dolphin and the part where it is unmaintained. |
17:31.54 | fournine2 | FLHerne: one advantage is that it verifies that the architecture works. |
17:32.12 | fournine2 | FLHerne: but other than that I don't really see the point either. |
17:32.16 | utopik | I'm just a computing student, but I will see in next weeks if I can improve KDE in any way |
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17:33.00 | fournine2 | utopik: start compiling then. |
17:33.05 | fournine2 | ;) |
17:33.26 | fournine2 | C++ is really fast........ except not if you have to compile it. |
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17:34.52 | utopik | fournine2: Are you a dev ? |
17:34.55 | FLHerne | spent over four days compiling KDE a few months ago :P |
17:35.12 | FLHerne | I should get a faster computer :-( |
17:36.00 | utopik | FLHerne: As kde is very modular, I guess you can compile only some parts of KDE |
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17:36.43 | fournine2 | FLHerne: what CPU is that? |
17:37.02 | fournine2 | FLHerne: it must be really old for it to take 4 days. |
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17:37.56 | utopik | What I would like is a better menu for kde |
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17:38.42 | fournine2 | utopik: do you mean in the default distribution? |
17:39.14 | fournine2 | utopik: there are already a lot of ways to have different menu widgets. |
17:39.35 | FLHerne | fournine2: PD :P |
17:39.45 | utopik | fournine2: I talk about the kickoff menu |
17:39.55 | fournine2 | FLHerne: Pentium D? |
17:39.58 | FLHerne | Fine for running KDE, but no good for compiling it :P |
17:40.01 | FLHerne | Yeah |
17:41.01 | fournine2 | FLHerne: amazingly CPU became a lot faster then. |
17:41.05 | fournine2 | CPUs |
17:41.26 | fournine2 | utopik: I imagine that most users never use the menu. |
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17:41.49 | fournine2 | utopik: if you want to contribute something, fix bugs. |
17:41.51 | cb400f | utopik: you have at least 3 to choose from currently.. and 4.10 might include a new one |
17:42.02 | fournine2 | utopik: if you are looking to stroke your ego, go ahead anyway. |
17:42.50 | ezakimak | i only use the menu when krunner crashes on me |
17:43.10 | fournine2 | ezakimak: I also use it to drag starters for debugging. |
17:43.16 | fournine2 | ezakimak: but that would be it :) |
17:43.28 | utopik | cb400f: Really ? A new menu in kde 4.10 ?! |
17:43.49 | fournine2 | A menu is just a bad user interface. |
17:44.05 | fournine2 | It's fine for small lists. |
17:44.19 | utopik | then what is better than a menu for common users ? |
17:44.21 | fournine2 | But if you have 100+ programs installed. |
17:44.39 | tsimpson | this is what grouping is for |
17:44.41 | fournine2 | utopik: for common users a menu can work, but you have to disable lots of menu entries. |
17:44.43 | ezakimak | avg users don't use 100 programs... they use what, 4? |
17:45.06 | ezakimak | browser, file manager, email, office, media player, im, ok, 6 |
17:45.42 | utopik | ezakimak: Then these apps should be easily and quickly launched from the menue |
17:45.58 | utopik | It's what I think |
17:46.03 | ezakimak | i agree |
17:46.03 | fournine2 | utopik: for average users, I think just putting links ont he desktop also works. |
17:46.19 | fournine2 | Which is essentially what phones do. |
17:46.29 | fournine2 | I think Plasma Netbook also does something like that. |
17:46.41 | fournine2 | I'd absolutely hate it, but for 90% of users, that's great. |
17:46.57 | fournine2 | 94% of statistics is made up on the spot. |
17:47.24 | utopik | Yesterday, I have think about a really great think from my point of view : A help about all what the plasma desktop can do ! |
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17:48.08 | fournine2 | I'd like to see voice control. |
17:48.17 | fournine2 | Or better: mind control :) |
17:48.27 | utopik | I explain: When the user start kde for th efirst time, there would be some plasma widget that appear explaining how to use widgets, activities, adding panel etc... |
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17:48.40 | tsimpson | no no, the computer should do something _before_ you know you want it to do it |
17:48.44 | fournine2 | You have those gaming sets which you can put on your head to steer an airplane, etc. |
17:49.05 | fournine2 | tsimpson: yeah, it should just clone my brain and then hook it up. |
17:49.06 | utopik | It would be like the android widget that explain briefly how to launch app, create shorcuts etc... |
17:49.14 | fournine2 | tsimpson: then I can go and sit at the beach. |
17:49.23 | fournine2 | tsimpson: when are you releasing that? |
17:49.29 | utopik | what do you think about this idea ? |
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17:49.52 | tsimpson | fournine2: my computer realized it for me, before I knew what the question was |
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17:50.08 | tsimpson | so I expect packages, yesterday... |
17:50.30 | fournine2 | tsimpson: you know, such computers are actually possible to make. |
17:50.53 | fournine2 | tsimpson: it's just that they are currently used for nuclear weapons testing instead of the introduction of the Star Trek Age. |
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17:51.28 | tsimpson | at least there's some intelligence behind the nukes |
17:51.35 | fournine2 | Then again, unemployment would skyrocket. |
17:52.32 | fournine2 | tsimpson: I don't think so. |
17:52.35 | utopik | Then nobody approve my idea ? |
17:52.47 | fournine2 | tsimpson: it's just evaluting differential equations. |
17:52.47 | fournine2 | evaluating* |
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17:53.23 | tsimpson | utopik: we used to have that, people 1) take no notice, 2) instantly disable it |
17:53.24 | fournine2 | utopik: that's not really how it works, I guess. |
17:53.58 | fournine2 | utopik: I think a tutorial style introduction to Plasma/KDE is not a bad idea. |
17:54.12 | fournine2 | utopik: e.g. the same as the first level in a RTS-game. |
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17:54.30 | fournine2 | utopik: but it's better to just fix all the bugs in the user-interface first. |
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17:54.54 | fournine2 | utopik: after that's done, then you can think about how to make the UI better, and finally you can get the really fancy features. |
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17:55.30 | fournine2 | utopik: making a high-def video about KDE4.9.2 wouldn't be a bad thing. |
17:55.59 | fournine2 | utopik: but such things have more value if the developer does it. |
17:56.06 | utopik | Okay, then I will see what I can do in the next weeks ! :) |
17:56.21 | utopik | I have to lunch, by ! |
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21:30.37 | Khas | Heya, is there a guide anywhere for how to access remote widgets and stuff on another machine? I'm trying to access a System Monitor widget and have it on my desktop so I can monitor that computer remotely. |
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21:34.22 | graft | Khas: cool idea, but i doubt it's supported |
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21:35.10 | Khas | graft: well it does say in the options for the widgets 'share this widget on the network' |
21:35.37 | Khas | I can't find anything about what that does though, or how to use it. |
21:35.43 | Khas | It might not be what I imagine it to be |
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21:58.32 | MuJ | Sometime ago someone on the planetkde was writing a note taking program that works like quake console (or yakuake.) Anyone happen to know where I'd find that? I've forgotten the name of the author and the name of the program too -_- |
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22:12.02 | gatuus | MuJ: http://yakuake.kde.org/ -- hein@kde.org - Eike Hein, Maintainer, Lead Dev. |
22:12.38 | MuJ | gatuus: no, not yakuake. yakuake like note taking application |
22:13.22 | gatuus | is confused |
22:13.25 | kde__pepo | notably? |
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22:14.00 | MuJ | notably sounds familiar |
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22:14.59 | MuJ | yea that's it, thanks kde__pepo |
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22:17.05 | Aelingil | Does anyone know a way to set a .html page to the desktop background? |
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