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00:02.57foobarzI'm having trouble with System Monitor panel widget.  It won't display the sensors for temperatures correctly
00:03.52foobarzit will only display like 4 of them, and when I go into the settings and checkmark more temp sensors to show, it then is unable to show them or any temp sensors
00:04.06foobarzthe pop up is just black
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00:44.15aditsuhi, I set the shortcut meta+e for dolphin, but it's not working (nothing happens when I press it)
00:44.26aditsuhow can I fix it?
00:44.38aditsukde 4.8.5 on ubuntu
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01:21.47flapzkde 4.8.5 How do I change logout picture?
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01:32.54o_a|kde4flapz: I guess you don't, unless you create a new plasma theme
01:33.13o_a|kde4That is, if you're talking about that moon
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01:37.18flapzo_a|kde4: yeah that moon is gay.
01:37.30flapzis there a way to edit the moon picture?
01:37.36o_a|kde4No
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02:14.09blackmatrix_nyyo yo yo...just switched to kde after gnome and xfce...i gotta say...its fucking AMAZINGGGGG
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02:56.47destihas kmail somewhere a log?
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03:05.17blackmatrix_nydesti: /home/<id>/log
03:05.37blackmatrix_nydesti: i think...just started using kde :-)
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03:06.02destiah, doesn't matter...figured out it was a server side problem :-)
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06:44.22Phoghi
06:44.32Phogwhat's the windows branch channel name?
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06:45.33tsimpsonPhog: #kde-windows
06:45.43Phogthanks
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06:47.25danieltreeis there a way to move the activity toolbox from the up right corner?
06:48.52danieltreein some screenshots it looks like a 1/4 circle ..mine it's a rectangle with a text saying "Desktop"
06:49.32Jucatodanieltree: just drag it. when it's in a corner, it's a circle
06:50.03danieltreeJucato: aha ...got it ...
06:50.04danieltreethanks
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06:50.42Jucatono prob
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07:07.25foobarzim back... system monitor widget, temperature display doesn't work right for me... anyone else have problems wit hit?
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07:21.44konquifoobarz: does lmsensors work?
07:22.43foobarzkonqui: "sensors" command shows my sensors
07:23.46konquifoobarz: What KDE version do you use?
07:24.48foobarzkonqui: 4.8.5
07:25.21konquifoobarz: Its working here on KDE 4.9.1 (Kubuntu). I have an Intel 945 Express chipset
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07:30.05pingufanHello. Since literally weeks I try to find a way to add/delete meetings and todos to my deaktop's korganizer from an external application. Whenever I modify the file (content is correct!) korganizer crashes and I have to restart it. How can I do that correctly and without a crash?
07:30.32pingufanCurrently I try to modify the .vcf file.
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07:33.47foobarzkonqui: I configure it (check the temp sensors in the config), but it does keep the settings... only 4 temp sensors in the list will stay checked
07:34.21foobarzkonqui: it doesn't keep all the temp sensors checked
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07:34.53konquifoobarz: No idea maybe the senors no longer exist or don't work
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07:35.53foobarzkonqui: the design of this system monitor widget is confusing... when I first add it, it shows a line of icons on the panel, then I click one of them and it shrinks into a ksysguard icon after that
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07:37.08foobarzkonqui: in ksysguard (the full system monitor application), I can look at all my sensors
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07:38.48konquiNo idea then, I only have 3 sensors on this machine (and 2 point to the same thing CPU1, CPU2) and all work
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07:39.30pingufannoone here who goes into the depths of korganizer?
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07:47.53hateballSo I've got maximum transparency set for inactive windows, so they all fade away when not focused. Which is nice. But I would like to disable this for windows that are set to "always on top", is that possible?
07:48.22hateballI can set custom window rules based on title and all that jazz, but I don't see a way to apply rules to windows that are set to "always on top"
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07:50.25konquihateball: I don't think there is a way
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07:59.19hateballkonqui: That's most unfortunate for my workflow
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07:59.47hateballI like having everything inactive hidden away, but sometimes you need to have two windows side by side for stuff
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08:02.10konquihateball: Maybe plasma-netbook with its window switcher would be better?
08:02.45shtrbshould stuff in playground/pim be able to build with only the kde libs ? (syncml fail to build due to missing deps )
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08:02.59hateballI don't find plasma-netbook to be nice to play with on my desktop
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08:17.04yopherhateball: I think you can use a kwin script for that.
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08:18.19foobarzthe biggest problem with kde is probably how things in kde are named... like what the heck does nepomuk or akonadi or whatever mean?
08:19.12foobarzand "semantic desktop"... sorry, but sounds like someone just took over kde as their research project or something
08:19.22muepI do not think either of those names would ideally be presented to the user
08:19.23foobarzokay, I finished my rant
08:19.46muepthey are both back-end stuff for implementing useful features
08:20.52foobarzi'd prefer very straight forward names, and not try to hide the backend stuff really
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08:25.58foobarzi disable the desktop search feature because I don't understand it, and never liked file indexing type of stuff... am I turning off a good feature? what is the use of it?
08:27.03foobarzi like kde, since a long time, but now some things seem strange with it
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08:29.32konquifoobarz: Its great for searches, finding emails, etc
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08:33.53hateballfoobarz: once you get the hang of it, doing anything outside krunner is just a huge pain
08:34.05hateballthat is, just type to find whatever you want to do
08:34.28Palee3with Kmail and Kgpg can i make a keychain? to encrypt messages with multiple public keys at once, and not separately.
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08:37.37foobarzwhat does akonadi do? i once tried to disable it or remove it... then my calender didn't have any holidays info anymore
08:37.49shtrbanyone aobut building from playground ?
08:38.36hateballfoobarz: it's the DB for all the KDEpim stuff....
08:38.36shtrbfoobarz, akonadi is the low level solution that allow kde apps to interact with PIM related services
08:38.52hateballa good thing to do is to read what things do *before* you remove them
08:39.35foobarzmy calander isn't displaying correctly
08:40.09foobarzi click on the clock and mouseover a holiday date, but the info is displayed on the right side and off the screen
08:40.21foobarzor is jammed up against the right of the screen
08:40.36shtrbfoobarz, that sound as an acutall bug in the plasmoid / kontact
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08:43.48ezakimakhateball, except that krunner crashes frequently while attempting to type in it....
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08:45.13hateballezakimak: Well that sounds like a bug. It's supposed to work, and it does so for me at least
08:45.20ezakimakit used to work for me
08:45.27ezakimakhasn't been reliable in over a year for me
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08:45.38shtrbezakimak , are you on debian AMD64 ?
08:45.42ezakimaknope
08:45.46ezakimakgentoo amd64
08:46.00hateballtried purging the nepomuk db etc?
08:46.11ezakimaki have all that turned off
08:46.13shtrbperhaps the same bug that was in debian (KDE 4.7 and 4.8)
08:46.21ezakimaki'm on 4.9.1 now
08:46.24hateballI don't really know what stuff to try, its only "just worked" for me
08:46.33ezakimakit used to "just work" for me
08:46.35shtrboh , that ain't the sigsegv in krunner then
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08:46.40ezakimakbut since 4.6 or so it's become unreliable
08:46.55ezakimakrandomly crash on me
08:47.16ezakimakoh, and sometimes it plain doesn't work, eg "firefox -new-instance<ret>" and it does nothing--won't launch it.
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08:47.29shtrbezakimak, what about installing dbg symbols , setting ulimit and sending the info on a crash ?
08:47.51ezakimakone of these days when i have time, maybe
08:48.38shtrbhere is my backtrace that had been fixed in 4.8.4 (http://pastebin.com/DaBaEnqK)
08:48.54ezakimakit's is surely inconvenient, but it takes time to reinstall the app w/dbg, and i'd hate having to logout
08:48.56foobarzi have to move my clock so it is not close to the right side of the screen
08:48.57shtrbsorry wrong paste (that is without debug symbols)
08:49.30shtrbhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301089
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08:51.32foobarzoh man, even after I moved the clock, it still doesn't show the calender correct
08:52.20foobarzare these plasmoid things a failure? i think it has been many years now and they have problems
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08:54.06muepthey have bugs, so you think they should be declared a failure?
08:54.24ezakimaki never use plasmoid thingys, or widgets or any of that stuff--i never even see the "desktop" (imo that paradigm is broken)
08:54.34foobarzkind of yes... because of the length of time now that they remain buggy
08:54.53muepthe KDE panel has mostly worked just fine for me
08:55.19ezakimaki wish there were a decent task switcher though--neither sort options are adequate
08:55.49foobarzthis length of time demonstrates that the problems are deep and likely to remain, so maybe best to abondon it
08:55.57muepimo, most of the important functionality in plasma works just fine
08:56.04muepbut it could be a bit better polished
08:57.12ezakimakimo, and i dunno if kde devs are already doing this, kde needs to stop adding features and spend a few long cycles just bug fixing, fixing memory usage, and cleaning up the ux
08:57.32ezakimakmaking "activities" completely optional would be grand. (I have no use for it)
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08:57.42muepI have fewer issues with the gnome-shell panel, but OTOH it does not try to cover nearly all the features of plasma
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08:57.57ezakimakatm, my console-kit-daemon uses 4GB of ram... crazy.
08:58.03shtrbezakimak, +1 for the less fetures more stable with less memory and cpu footprint
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08:58.21ezakimaki've never been able to enable the fancy desktop effects
08:58.29mueparen't activities practically invisible if you just remove the switcher from panel?
08:58.37ezakimaknot sure if it's kdm or nvidia that can't handle it, but it eventually breaks if i try
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08:58.58ezakimakthere's that "new activity" button in the top-right of the desktop always now, and lots of menu items about it
08:59.15ezakimaki wish i could compile it completely away
08:59.19shtrbmuep, nope they still take memory and get cpu time
08:59.33ezakimaki will *never* use it
09:00.05ezakimakmaybe some people like a 2nd, kinda-somewhat-orthogonal concept to virtual desktops?
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09:00.23ezakimakseems to seriously violate the kiss principle though
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09:01.11muepshtrb: in some amount you can measure?
09:01.27ezakimakalready hard enough to recall *which* window has a specific tab, now some ppl have to also remember in which activity the window was in?
09:01.39shtrbyes, I did that with BFS kernel
09:01.42ezakimak(and which virtual desktop)
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09:02.44ezakimakfck. krunner just crashed on me again.
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09:03.04ezakimakand... now it won't "go"
09:03.15ezakimakthere it went.
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09:04.46shtrbezakimak (kwin if that was for me)
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09:06.29ezakimaki'm glad they recently announced they're gonna redo the whole dynamic monitor stuff to finally make it work
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09:07.18shtrbezakimak, please tell
09:07.22ezakimaksucks when i connect a projector to my laptop, and it always move my taskbar to the projector--where it doesn't actually show up because it's a smaller vertical res...
09:07.55shtrboh thank you
09:08.04ezakimakso, i'm glad they're working on fixing all that
09:08.53ezakimaki don't recall their release target for it though, 4.10 maybe?
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09:09.46shtrbI just hope their next change will not drasticly change low level stuff that did work , I'm still stuck with less usabuility then in 3.5.9
09:09.55shtrbin the PIM libs that is
09:10.04ezakimakpim has been a disaster imo
09:10.06foobarzwell, this is weird... 4.5.5 worked better than this 4.8.5... I feel confused now
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09:10.25ezakimaki actually could not start kmail between 4.6 and 4.8--4.9 was the first time it would start for me
09:10.29shtrbezakimak, in 3.5.9 or in the 4 branch ?
09:10.53MarcoPauhi, I wanted to ask you if it's possible not to show the hidden files and folders in the dolphin windows when selecting attachments/opening files from various apps. Thanks a lot
09:11.01ezakimakbecause i had some old accounts that couldn't connect--and it wouldn't let me start up enough to delete them--justs crashed first
09:11.10shtrbthe saddast part when stuff get broken your abuility to recover is .... allmost none
09:11.36ezakimakamazingly, it didn't seem to lose any emails in all that
09:11.42shtrbrzakimak , I had a simmilar issue so I copied mannually the data
09:12.34ezakimakthe whole move to akonadi seemed far reaching, and possibly, arguably, overkill
09:12.42ezakimakcause before, pim worked great (afaict)
09:12.52ezakimaki still don't have a working address book
09:12.58shtrbonly if that overkill would actually work better ...
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09:13.11ezakimakit's more complicated, == more room for bugs
09:13.15ezakimakand less user-friendly
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09:13.48ezakimakimo, the defaults should have gotten more love--it should have "just worked" like it did before w/o extra configuration to maintain the prior behavior
09:14.01ezakimaki still haven't figured out kab
09:14.02shtrbbtw did you continue to use the PIM of kontact or you moved to something else (addressbook,kmobile etc)
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09:14.10shtrb?
09:14.15ezakimaki just quit using it--now i just use gmail
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09:14.29ezakimaki used to love kmail
09:14.41ezakimakbut it's been so long, i kinda forgot it
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09:15.00shtrbwell , they killed kmobiletools they killed kaddreesbook and kmail is not usable
09:15.26ezakimakalso, i'm kinda addicted to gmail's threading style now, so kmail would need to add that
09:15.36ezakimaker "conversations"
09:15.45shtrbyesterday I was importing contacts and the damn thing got stuck in a loop and imported 10 times every single contact
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09:15.51ezakimakouch
09:16.08shtrbbtw kmail used had that option
09:16.18ezakimakit did?
09:16.19shtrbyes , still using gmail to fix the dups
09:16.39ezakimaki think sync is still a big problem that noone has solved well yet
09:16.42shtrbyou had the whole directory style view for messages
09:16.45ezakimaknot even apple has it down
09:17.09foobarzi used kmail 10 years ago and it worked for the most part, but i do little email anymore for a very long time... you guys say kmail after 10 more years is broken now?
09:17.17ezakimakin general, lots of people are afraid of sync, because it's not clear what it's about to do--duplicate their data? delete their data? both happens
09:17.34ezakimakyep. kmail, kdepim is in a poor state still
09:17.53ezakimakthey did a massive reworking starting back in early 4.x, and still haven't gotten in back to where it was in 3.5
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09:17.59shtrbkdepim , become in poor state in the 4 branch it was very usable before
09:18.21ezakimaki used it from 2.0 through 3.5.9, was very pleased
09:18.40ezakimakit's now been over a year since i could use it
09:19.11ezakimaklast i tried it looked promising though, so we'll see
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09:22.40ezakimaklooks like 4.9.2 hit portage
09:23.01foobarzwow, this calender on my clock is severely screwed up... in fact, there is a column of dates on the left with dates in the month like 40,41,42 etc! what a joke!
09:23.05shtrbezakimak, check if you have  Thread list in message headers in kmail config it might be what you are looking for
09:23.46shtrbfoobarz , looner  months ?
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09:23.58shtrb*lunar
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09:24.24ezakimakshtrb, where?
09:24.33shtrbfoobarz, there are calendars that provide more then 30 days
09:24.45ezakimakunder appearance, "message list" tab there is "default aggregation", that it?
09:24.48shtrbezakimak, kontact settings
09:24.53foobarzoh, so those are week numbers
09:24.54ezakimakkontact or kmail?
09:25.17charlie_007hi......... Respected sir..i want a junior job in kde to start... i have a little knowledge of c , c++,python
09:25.23shtrbezakimak , kmail is a subclass of kmail (both would work)
09:25.28ezakimakright
09:25.34shtrband yes I think that is the option
09:26.36ezakimakhrm. they should have one that simply says "gmail style"
09:26.46ezakimakcause i have no idea which one is the same
09:26.57shtrbthat option was in other systems before gmail existed
09:27.05ezakimakusability fail--the advanced configuration is the only configuration...
09:27.33ezakimakyes, but now people know gmail, so relabling it as a quick choice makes sense
09:27.49shtrbezakimak , that why I say the system is worse
09:27.53ezakimaki agree
09:28.01ezakimakit's not for novice users, really
09:28.21ezakimaki like that it has so much configurability, but they need to expose it better
09:28.44ezakimaktakes a good IA and UX design team to do that though
09:28.57shtrbI'm not an new user of KDE nor of computer systems (more then 22 years of usage) yet I find that not design well for me
09:29.12ezakimakas it stands, they just expose everything they have, *plop* there ya go! style
09:29.52ezakimak*good* UI design, however, is *extremely difficult*
09:30.11shtrbit would be much great if they will allow the style of Cups, the config is regular config file and the gui represent a subset of it
09:30.17shtrb*in my opnion
09:30.20ezakimakwhere it's coded by devs for devs, it tends to be feature rich and UI-poor
09:30.40ezakimakso, how it got to where it is, is perfectly explainable
09:31.08ezakimakbut now that it has tons of features, the next set of "features" imo, ought to be UI design
09:31.34foobarzwell hell, I removed and readded the digital clock and it display okay now
09:31.39ezakimakgrandma will go dear-in-headlights trying to change anything
09:31.48ezakimak*deer
09:32.13shtrbwhat does that phrase mean ? (sorry first time I hear it)
09:32.26ezakimakdeer-in-headlights?
09:32.29shtrbyep
09:32.57ezakimakcommon expression: when you shine headlights on a deer at night, they freeze, dumbfounded
09:33.12ezakimakthey don't know what to do
09:34.06shtrbOh , we don't have dears but we have other crazy reaction from animals to headlights : some boars and rabbits will run within the headlight and will not pass the light beam for miles
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09:34.11ezakimakfor people, it generally means the information/situation exceeds their capacity for comprehension, so they are incapable of doing anything
09:34.29shtrbnow I understand that , thank you
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09:34.31ezakimakshtrb, where are you?
09:34.37shtrbezakimak, ME
09:34.51ezakimakmaine?
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09:35.48TaokiHi. Does KDE allow me to see my current system uptime (how long I haven't restarted for)?
09:35.55foobarzif you see bright lights, run away!
09:36.11ezakimaknah, run to the side--not directly away... :)
09:36.43ezakimakTaoki, you can run uptime from within a konsole
09:36.56ezakimakthere may also be a desktop widget that will display it
09:37.26TaokiThankjs. A widget I was hoping for too
09:37.32Taokibut i don't know one included with KDE
09:37.53shtrbif only the rabbits and boars would act like that , if one gets in the middle of highway you are stuck with them (if you heat a boar your car could crash)
09:38.39ezakimakTaoki, gkrell might have something
09:38.55ezakimakor search the widgets stuff
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09:40.39TaokiAlso: Can anyone please explain me how to disable akonadi_launcher permanently?
09:40.48TaokiI get dozens of processes with that name spamming my system
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09:41.30Taokiakonadi_agent_launcher. Need to disable whatever spawns that
09:41.43ezakimakin system settings you disable the desktop search
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09:44.01Taokiezakimak: Apparently, shutting down the Akonadi server fixed it. Not to just disable it from startup
09:44.44TaokiAh... but Korganizer needs it, and I use that
09:44.52ezakimakok. i turned it off a long time ago i think
09:44.59ezakimakor maybe just let it finish running the first time
09:45.03ezakimaki can't remember
09:46.40Taokiezakimak: What setting should I exactly disable from it? It has a lot of things like calendar, contacts, etc
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09:48.51shtrbTakoi , in akonadi console start with disabling all then enabling one by one
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09:50.31TaokiActually, I have a lot of duplicate "personal calendar" entries and more. Could that be why?
09:50.43TaokiI have like 10 "Personal Calendar" menu entries all with "no file selected"
09:51.39TaokiBBL
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09:58.54shtrbTakoi, yes it may
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10:04.42charlie_007<Taoki>hello sir ,i am starting in open source so i need a small job in kde,sir plz give me any suggestion to start nad i know c++ and c.
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10:09.48GillesMhi I use Kde with ATI driver and I don't see echo on form input text in chromium ,and on Rekonq some button are inactive .. idea ?
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10:29.08fournine2KDE made a 'release', but there isn't any documented way to install it, is there?
10:29.59fournine2Can you perhaps change the concept of a release to what it was before? (An easy to install piece of software which doesn't require any thinking. )
10:30.38fournine2It seems that all large software projects have these problems, except for Linux.
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10:32.31fournine2A linear sequence of xz files has been released, but it doesn't say that if you install it in that order that it will work.
10:33.12fournine2Basically, you are asking people to solve a dependency problem instead of allowing them to just run a script to install KDE.
10:33.21fournine2I don't get why you would do such a thing.
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10:40.56danhariboHi
10:41.05danhariboIs KDE's wallpaper rotation meant to be awful
10:41.11danhariboI get the same few over and over
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11:02.04foobarzokay... now I see the widgets work fine when added onto the desktop, but just sometimes do not show good when they are used as popups
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11:36.25asteroidhi
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11:36.49asteroidI'm in reflexion about upgrading kde. The only one reason make me upgrade is a kmail feature : with the last kde, can we forward html formated message "as this" inline message, without loosing formating ?
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11:37.48DaZandip: systemsettings -> power management
11:37.54DaZdunno if anybody answered that :v
11:41.04shtrbasteroid from what version to what version ?
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11:51.08asteroidshtrb, don't care I think (I cannot look it now). I just would like to know if the last version of kmail does it or no
11:52.16shtrbasteroid, some version upgrade (4.2 to 4.8 for example) crippled the akonadi db for me and all email had to be re fetched
11:52.34asteroidthat is not a matter
11:52.58asteroidto make the upgrade, I will read doc, forum, ... as usual
11:53.12asteroidI just need to know if this feature exists now or no
11:53.27shtrbOh , then I have 4.8 where is that feture should hide ?
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11:54.26asteroidwell
11:54.38asteroidtake an html formatted message you receive
11:54.42asteroidand try to forward it
11:54.47asteroid(inline forward)
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11:55.08asteroidif the html become simple text, so the feature is not enable OR it does not exists
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11:57.39asteroidwhere can I see an online changelog, or webgit for kmail ?
11:59.06dvratilasteroid, http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=kdepim.git&a=summary
11:59.21asteroidho thx dvratil
11:59.32dvratilit's not just kmail but all kdepim apps...you can clone it and run git log kdepim/kmail
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12:21.55pontoHi, after upgrading to KDE 4.9 from opensuse the web shortcuts no longer work in the Alt+F2 menu. Does anyone know how to get it back?
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12:35.34DaZponto: is the plugin enabled
12:35.41pontoDaZ: yes.
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12:41.11asteroidthere is lot of occurences related to 'htmlreplies'.
12:42.12asteroidis there a chanel where I can talk with "Torgny Nyblom <nyblom@kde.org>" ? somebody know him ?
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12:45.06shtrbasteroid , try #kontact
12:45.39asteroidyep, thx shtrb
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12:52.42pontoDaZ: found it. Somehow with kde 4.9 only preferred web shortcuts work. and I do not have any preferred ones.
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13:05.18pontoDaZ: I guess the setting is new and it comes with some default shortcuts.  However as always there are problems migrating from earlier kde versions.
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15:36.39graenseDoes anyone know how to have KDE automatically switch to a newly-launched application on a different desktop?
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15:38.29rdietergraense: you can use:  kstart --desktop <x> --activate  <app_of_choice>
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15:39.44rdieterI think you can also define custom kwin rules to do it too
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15:42.18rdieterthough I can't find any kwin rule for that, maybe not.
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15:44.53graenseHmm, I thought there was a setting somewhere to automatically switch to a window that was demanding attention.  Though that may have been tied to Daisy...
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15:54.03rdietergraense: that's the effect if you set "focus stealing prevention level" to none
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15:54.55rdietersystemsettings->window behavior->window behavior section->focus tab
15:56.53graenseHmm, interesting.  Thanks, rdieter!
15:57.36KhasHeya, is there a guide anywhere for how to access remote widgets and stuff on another machine?  I'm trying to access a System Monitor widget and have it on my desktop so I can monitor that computer remotely.
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17:10.48kbroulikhow can I uninstall a specific KIPI plugin? I have so many of them and they make the "Open with" menu in ksnapshot take forever to open, when  just want to open it in Kolourpaint
17:11.01kbroulikand I dont need e.g. facebook, flickr, etc export. I tried removing their desktop files but when there is a KDE update theyre back
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17:15.31vLassikbroulik: like this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=287663 ?
17:15.53kbroulikoh, okay
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17:22.37utopikAm I the only one to think that porting kde to windows is a bad idea ?
17:22.56tsimpsonwhy is it a bad idea?
17:23.12dyrvereutopik: Yes, have you've seen Windows 8? :D
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17:24.56utopikI have just seen windows 8 videos, and I can say that it's the worst UI I have ever seen
17:25.12vLassiwell, wait until you try
17:25.18vLassiit only gets much worse
17:25.35FLHerneutopik: The Windows port t doesn't work very well :P
17:25.48utopikIt doesn't seems to be intuitive at all on a PC, maybe on tablet it is
17:26.37utopikFLHerne: It's why I think it would be better to focus on the native platform for wich KDE is made
17:26.54FLHerneThere can't be that many people who've actually tried KDE on Windows, it's completely pointless :P
17:27.08FLHerneI put up with it for a week to see what happened :-)
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17:28.06ChemBrodolphin is better than any filemanager, so at least that replacement works :P
17:28.10utopikIf windows users like KDE, then they have to change their OS that's it :)
17:28.42tsimpsonthe goal is not to replace the Windows desktop with the KDE desktop, but to make KDE applications work on Windows
17:29.29utopikI have tested amarok on W7 a day, It's not bug free, but it's running quite well ! :)
17:29.29FLHerneThey don't anyway :P
17:29.46fournine2ChemBro: Windows file manager has less bugs than Dolphin probably.
17:30.30fournine2ChemBro: just looks at the huge list of open bugs in Dolphin and the part where it is unmaintained.
17:31.54fournine2FLHerne: one advantage is that it verifies that the architecture works.
17:32.12fournine2FLHerne: but other than that I don't really see the point either.
17:32.16utopikI'm just a computing student, but I will see in next weeks if I can improve KDE in any way
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17:33.00fournine2utopik: start compiling then.
17:33.05fournine2;)
17:33.26fournine2C++ is really fast........ except not if you have to compile it.
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17:34.52utopikfournine2: Are you a dev ?
17:34.55FLHernespent over four days compiling KDE a few months ago :P
17:35.12FLHerneI should get a faster computer :-(
17:36.00utopikFLHerne: As kde is very modular, I guess you can compile only some parts of KDE
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17:36.43fournine2FLHerne: what CPU is that?
17:37.02fournine2FLHerne: it must be really old for it to take 4 days.
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17:37.56utopikWhat I would like is a better menu for kde
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17:38.42fournine2utopik: do you mean in the default distribution?
17:39.14fournine2utopik: there are already a lot of ways to have different menu widgets.
17:39.35FLHernefournine2: PD :P
17:39.45utopikfournine2: I talk about the kickoff menu
17:39.55fournine2FLHerne: Pentium D?
17:39.58FLHerneFine for running KDE, but no good for compiling it :P
17:40.01FLHerneYeah
17:41.01fournine2FLHerne: amazingly CPU became a lot faster then.
17:41.05fournine2CPUs
17:41.26fournine2utopik: I imagine that most users never use the menu.
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17:41.49fournine2utopik: if you want to contribute something, fix bugs.
17:41.51cb400futopik: you have at least 3 to choose from currently.. and 4.10 might include a new one
17:42.02fournine2utopik: if you are looking to stroke your ego, go ahead anyway.
17:42.50ezakimaki only use the menu when krunner crashes on me
17:43.10fournine2ezakimak: I also use it to drag starters for debugging.
17:43.16fournine2ezakimak: but that would be it :)
17:43.28utopikcb400f: Really ? A new menu in kde 4.10 ?!
17:43.49fournine2A menu is just a bad user interface.
17:44.05fournine2It's fine for small lists.
17:44.19utopikthen what is better than a menu for common users ?
17:44.21fournine2But if you have 100+ programs installed.
17:44.39tsimpsonthis is what grouping is for
17:44.41fournine2utopik: for common users a menu can work, but you have to disable lots of menu entries.
17:44.43ezakimakavg users don't use 100 programs... they use what, 4?
17:45.06ezakimakbrowser, file manager, email, office, media player, im, ok, 6
17:45.42utopikezakimak: Then these apps should be easily and quickly launched from the menue
17:45.58utopikIt's what I think
17:46.03ezakimaki agree
17:46.03fournine2utopik: for average users, I think just putting links ont he desktop also works.
17:46.19fournine2Which is essentially what phones do.
17:46.29fournine2I think Plasma Netbook also does something like that.
17:46.41fournine2I'd absolutely hate it, but for 90% of users, that's great.
17:46.57fournine294% of statistics is made up on the spot.
17:47.24utopikYesterday, I have think about a really great think from my point of view : A help about all what the plasma desktop can do !
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17:48.08fournine2I'd like to see voice control.
17:48.17fournine2Or better: mind control :)
17:48.27utopikI explain: When the user start kde for th efirst time, there would be some plasma widget that appear explaining how to use widgets, activities, adding panel etc...
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17:48.40tsimpsonno no, the computer should do something _before_ you know you want it to do it
17:48.44fournine2You have those gaming sets which you can put on your head to steer an airplane, etc.
17:49.05fournine2tsimpson: yeah, it should just clone my brain and then hook it up.
17:49.06utopikIt would be like the android widget that explain briefly how to launch app, create shorcuts etc...
17:49.14fournine2tsimpson: then I can go and sit at the beach.
17:49.23fournine2tsimpson: when are you releasing that?
17:49.29utopikwhat do you think about this idea ?
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17:49.52tsimpsonfournine2: my computer realized it for me, before I knew what the question was
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17:50.08tsimpsonso I expect packages, yesterday...
17:50.30fournine2tsimpson: you know, such computers are actually possible to make.
17:50.53fournine2tsimpson: it's just that they are currently used for nuclear weapons testing instead of the introduction of the Star Trek Age.
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17:51.28tsimpsonat least there's some intelligence behind the nukes
17:51.35fournine2Then again, unemployment would skyrocket.
17:52.32fournine2tsimpson: I don't think so.
17:52.35utopikThen nobody approve my idea ?
17:52.47fournine2tsimpson: it's just evaluting differential equations.
17:52.47fournine2evaluating*
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17:53.23tsimpsonutopik: we used to have that, people 1) take no notice, 2) instantly disable it
17:53.24fournine2utopik: that's not really how it works, I guess.
17:53.58fournine2utopik: I think a tutorial style introduction to Plasma/KDE is not a bad idea.
17:54.12fournine2utopik: e.g. the same as the first level in a RTS-game.
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17:54.30fournine2utopik: but it's better to just fix all the bugs in the user-interface first.
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17:54.54fournine2utopik: after that's done, then you can think about how to make the UI better, and finally you can get the really fancy features.
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17:55.30fournine2utopik: making a high-def video about KDE4.9.2 wouldn't be a bad thing.
17:55.59fournine2utopik: but such things have more value if the developer does it.
17:56.06utopikOkay, then I will see what I can do in the next weeks ! :)
17:56.21utopikI have to lunch, by !
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21:30.37KhasHeya, is there a guide anywhere for how to access remote widgets and stuff on another machine?  I'm trying to access a System Monitor widget and have it on my desktop so I can monitor that computer remotely.
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21:34.22graftKhas: cool idea, but i doubt it's supported
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21:35.10Khasgraft: well it does say in the options for the widgets 'share this widget on the network'
21:35.37KhasI can't find anything about what that does though, or how to use it.
21:35.43KhasIt might not be what I imagine it to be
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21:58.32MuJSometime ago someone on the planetkde was writing a note taking program that works like quake console (or yakuake.) Anyone happen to know where I'd find that? I've forgotten the name of the author and the name of the program too -_-
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22:12.02gatuusMuJ: http://yakuake.kde.org/   --   hein@kde.org  - Eike Hein, Maintainer, Lead Dev.
22:12.38MuJgatuus: no, not yakuake. yakuake like note taking application
22:13.22gatuusis confused
22:13.25kde__peponotably?
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22:14.00MuJnotably sounds familiar
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22:14.59MuJyea that's it, thanks kde__pepo
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22:17.05AelingilDoes anyone know a way to set a .html page to the desktop background?
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