00:01.16 | paultreselli | hi running Linux Mint 10 , just installed KDE 4.x don't know exactly which except dpkg -l *kde* outputs 5:63Ubuntu7.2. Anyway, I was editing an 'activity' and at some point resized the kde app launcher really large and the connection froze. Now I cannot get back into KDE even after reboots |
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00:01.32 | paultreselli | what to do? |
00:04.20 | Juan | paultreselli, how about recreating the ~/.kde4 folder |
00:05.10 | paultreselli | ok...well does it not say ----^ don't delete that ? |
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00:05.38 | Juan | Just rename it to something else and see if you can login to the desktop. |
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00:07.38 | paultreselli | I'll try that thanks |
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00:15.54 | seeqwell | I don't have a "show desktop" icon in my panel. It never installed. What is it called so I can download it please? I think it's a widget. |
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00:17.39 | Phr33d0m | seeqwell it's just called 'Show Desktop' by Petri Damsten |
00:18.09 | seeqwell | thanks |
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00:26.56 | seeqwell | I found it in kdeplasma-addons |
00:26.57 | seeqwell | thanks |
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00:53.54 | JoeSomebody | can someone help me with a drive problem? its ntfs, in dolphin i see no folders, but i see them with ls -l |
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00:54.27 | JoeSomebody | i rebooted into windows to check, folders were not there |
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00:54.58 | JoeSomebody | some sort of mount problem caused it |
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02:01.46 | xixor | hi everyone, the menu bar (File, Edit, Settings, etc) has disappeared on all KDE applications. I'm in kubuntu 12.10 with KDE 4.9.2. I've been playing around in the settings, but nothing seems to fix it, any suggestions? |
02:03.15 | xixor | ooh, I got it. I somehow added it to a panel |
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05:14.17 | Izinucs | I'm having issues with help popups in Libreoffice and other programs being a black rectangle. Help popups being those things that open when you hover the mouse over a menu or menu function. Any solution? It seems to be gtk oriented but I'm really not sure. |
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05:33.24 | kde__pepo | Izinucs, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279226 |
05:34.03 | Izinucs | thanks kde__pepo |
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10:04.41 | Teyras | Hi, when I suspend my machine with pm-suspend (in a terminal, KDE is running), everything is OK. But when I suspend it from KDE, it wakes up right after going to sleep. I use KDE 4.9.2 on Arch |
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10:10.31 | mah454 | Hello |
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10:33.30 | AMDAthlon | whats difference bewteen kate and Kwrite? |
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10:34.41 | Sho_ | AMDAthlon: KWrite is meant to be a simple text editor for common needs, and Kate is an advanced text editor for programming and other technical tasks (and has additional features and plugins geared toward that, as well as session management, etc.) |
10:35.05 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
10:35.36 | AMDAthlon | oh i see |
10:35.40 | AMDAthlon | like notepad vs Wordpad? |
10:36.02 | Sho_ | AMDAthlon: No not really, Notepad is a plain text editor and Wordpad is a rich text editor (i.e. formatting like italic and bold) |
10:36.02 | Rasi | in fact kwrite uses a simplified version of kate |
10:36.08 | Rasi | using kparts |
10:36.15 | Sho_ | AMDAthlon: KWrite and Kate are both plain text editors |
10:36.31 | Sho_ | Rasi: Both use the same technology under the hood called KTextEditor, yep |
10:38.14 | AMDAthlon | oh is there an editor that can like make bold text in kde? |
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10:39.29 | Teyras | AMDAthlon: Calligra words for example |
10:40.40 | Sho_ | Yeah, Calligra Words is our word processor |
10:40.57 | Sho_ | However if you just want simple notes-like stuff, our note taking app KJots can do rich text too |
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10:47.15 | BluesKaj | for home users , kate works for most needs |
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10:49.37 | MadAGu | hey gus..... i have the following problem: when i run kbuildsyscoca4 from the terminal, i get this: parseLayoutNode: The menu spec file contains a Layout or DefaultLayout tag without the mandatory Merge tag inside. Please fix your file. |
10:49.40 | MadAGu | any ideas? |
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10:59.09 | mah454 | Hello |
10:59.19 | mah454 | Please view this picture : http://imagebin.org/233610 |
10:59.24 | mah454 | How can fix this problem ? |
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10:59.34 | mah454 | "Folder View Layout problem" |
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11:00.25 | ompaul | right click on the desktop and choose something else |
11:00.38 | mah454 | ompaul: other layouts is true |
11:00.47 | mah454 | my problem is this layout |
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11:02.44 | ompaul | mah454: our of curiosity what version of kde are you running and on what o/s |
11:02.54 | ompaul | s/our/out |
11:03.00 | mah454 | ompaul: Kubuntu 12.04 |
11:03.03 | mah454 | KDE 4.8.5 |
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11:04.45 | ompaul | mah454: I had that in debian on wheezy 4.8.4 |
11:05.15 | ompaul | I don't have it on SID but then I have SID on intel cards |
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11:59.51 | JoeSomebody | kde doesnt work right anymore i have tried 3 different distros lately, with newer kde, and they are all unstable |
11:59.55 | JoeSomebody | agreed? |
12:00.11 | JoeSomebody | xfce looking real good |
12:00.35 | JoeSomebody | even power management is stoned or retarded |
12:02.13 | JoeSomebody | plasma desktop crashes frequently |
12:02.36 | JoeSomebody | hard drives put to sleep when they should not be |
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12:03.14 | JoeSomebody | looking like kde devs are also sleeeping when they shoudl not be |
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12:03.44 | JoeSomebody | and when i need help no one is here |
12:03.54 | JoeSomebody | YES xfce looking real good |
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12:06.15 | BluesKaj | JoeSomebody, I disagree , kde is fine here on kubuntu 12.10 |
12:07.10 | BluesKaj | JoeSomebody, y7ou have oddball hardqare perhaps? |
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12:07.21 | BluesKaj | err hardware |
12:09.30 | JoeSomebody | no i do not |
12:10.06 | JoeSomebody | if i must give up on kde, so will my area here in nowheresville canada |
12:10.45 | ozzzy | why |
12:11.06 | BluesKaj | there is a power management issue here with blank screen after 1 min or so of inactivity |
12:11.28 | freeedrich| | ozzzy: easy - canada's population / km² is very low :p |
12:11.29 | JoeSomebody | i am prepared to tell them all that i had to give up on the one that is similar to windows, and put them on a stable xfce distro |
12:11.37 | ozzzy | is in Canada |
12:11.41 | ozzzy | and KDE works fine |
12:11.43 | JoeSomebody | 1 friend lost toasted his drive |
12:11.58 | JoeSomebody | due to power mgmt bug |
12:11.58 | BluesKaj | JoeSomebody, I'm in the Canadian boonies too , but what that got to do with KDE ? |
12:12.09 | ozzzy | BluesKaj: nothing I'd say |
12:12.20 | freeedrich| | JoeSomebody: so, probably is'a about you. Better stop touching computers then. |
12:12.30 | BluesKaj | yeah ozzzy , exactly:) |
12:12.51 | JoeSomebody | yeah whatever kde is fine and all the distros lately are too its just me LMAO |
12:13.03 | JoeSomebody | as if that even is possible |
12:13.06 | ozzzy | well.. it works here on my hardware [shrug] |
12:13.08 | JoeSomebody | eyah right |
12:13.36 | cb400f | well.. it's quite easy to break your kde experience |
12:13.44 | ozzzy | what exactly are the problems you're having |
12:13.51 | cb400f | it's also quite easy to have a good experience, if activating brain |
12:13.53 | JoeSomebody | i have asked for help here on these issues, why have you all not answered |
12:14.11 | JoeSomebody | and google says it IS kde, not me |
12:14.12 | ozzzy | what issues |
12:14.20 | BluesKaj | maybe we weren't here |
12:15.15 | JoeSomebody | since i stared this a few minutes ago, my screen blanked 5 times |
12:15.33 | JoeSomebody | disk sleep causes reboots |
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12:15.45 | JoeSomebody | plasma desktop crashes |
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12:16.01 | ozzzy | laptop? |
12:16.11 | JoeSomebody | nope |
12:16.33 | ozzzy | what video chipset |
12:16.39 | cb400f | does the default plasma desktop crash? .. no it doesn't... what makes it crash is your particular setup and selection of widgets |
12:16.39 | stephan_arch | hey guys, I switched a laterger screen on my laptop, now I want to turn the screen on my laptop of, in xfce it works but I dont know how to do it in kde |
12:16.42 | JoeSomebody | core 1 duo tower asus mobo, built myself, good ram, etc |
12:16.52 | cb400f | disk sleep does not sound kde related to me |
12:16.54 | BluesKaj | JoeSomebody, what graphics ? |
12:17.00 | JoeSomebody | geforce 210 video card |
12:17.08 | ozzzy | are you using the nvidia drivers |
12:17.26 | ozzzy | or what ships with the distro |
12:17.44 | JoeSomebody | was using pclinuxos kde on it for 3 years without ANY trouble until major kde / kernel updates |
12:17.46 | BluesKaj | that would be the nouveau then |
12:18.09 | JoeSomebody | now on fedora 17 kde to have a team with a chance of fixing things |
12:18.17 | ozzzy | and disk sleep is probably kernel |
12:18.37 | BluesKaj | JoeSomebody, sudo apt-get install nvidia-current , then reboot |
12:18.38 | cb400f | stephan_arch: depends on your graphics driver |
12:18.47 | stephan_arch | intel |
12:18.48 | JoeSomebody | mageia and 2 others were discarded as flaky before fedora |
12:18.52 | ozzzy | and turn off disk sleep... it's a desktop |
12:18.58 | henryks | JoeSomebody: I had serious issues with the nouveau drivers just after installing Ubuntu, it seems to me it just doesn't work well with some cards. Nvidia's binary drivers solve most of the problems with graphics for me. |
12:19.02 | ozzzy | yeah... mageia is funky |
12:19.09 | cb400f | stephan_arch: then systemsettings -> monitor should be all you need |
12:19.10 | JoeSomebody | ozzy, how? |
12:19.24 | stephan_arch | cb400f, there is no "turn second screen off" option that I found |
12:19.30 | JoeSomebody | i been looking for that disk sleep |
12:19.51 | JoeSomebody | i want to beat it in the face |
12:20.26 | cb400f | stephan_arch: you'll see a number of screen connections.. one of them will be your laptop monitor (prolly lvds).. in the "Size" combobox there's an option "disabled" |
12:20.31 | BluesKaj | JoeSomebody, are you going to try our suggestions or ? |
12:20.50 | ozzzy | your power options are in systemsettings->advanced |
12:21.06 | ozzzy | what do you call 'disk sleep'.... shutting down the hdd? |
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12:22.58 | stephan_arch | cb400f, thx, found it :) |
12:23.08 | cb400f | good :-) |
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12:23.17 | alittlec_ | hi, folks |
12:24.06 | alittlec_ | may i ask, how i can add another language to kde without installing kde-i18n ? |
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12:25.16 | JoeSomebody | in my systems settings there is nothing called advanced |
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12:26.51 | cb400f | the advanced tab was dropped ages ago.. 4.4 or something like that |
12:27.09 | ozzzy | still has an advanced tab LOL |
12:27.16 | cb400f | what kde version? |
12:27.19 | JoeSomebody | sleep is also not found |
12:27.22 | ozzzy | 4.4.something |
12:27.37 | JoeSomebody | fedora 17 kde |
12:27.52 | JoeSomebody | 4.9.2 |
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12:28.00 | cb400f | that was prolly using hal too and whatnot... not the latest RH/FDO experiment: upower |
12:28.10 | JoeSomebody | welcome to the bleeding edge JoeSomebody |
12:29.13 | JoeSomebody | in my systems settings there is nothing called advanced |
12:29.42 | JoeSomebody | my monitor did not shut down before i ran vlc for the first time |
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12:29.57 | JoeSomebody | vlc has broken kde power mgmt |
12:30.05 | stephan_arch | cb400f, is it normal that the kde panel crashes if you tweak to much on it? |
12:30.34 | cb400f | well.. the more you fiddle with things the higher the risk |
12:30.58 | cb400f | alternative desktops don't have anything to fiddle with at all, so also lower risk of something going wrong |
12:31.06 | JoeSomebody | when i asked fedora about video drivers they said i'm fine with the default nouveau, whatever that is |
12:31.25 | cb400f | well.. that depends on your needs |
12:31.26 | JoeSomebody | they said DO NOT install nvidia antthing |
12:31.39 | cb400f | all graphics drivers have problems |
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12:32.08 | cb400f | ignoring ethical considerations, the nvidia blob is probably better overall |
12:32.19 | JoeSomebody | the flaky things happen in other distros, so wtf? |
12:32.32 | cb400f | but it will have some problems nouveau won't have and vice versa.. so try both and pick your poison |
12:32.35 | JoeSomebody | kernel or kde, no way it is not one of those |
12:33.08 | JoeSomebody | no way, and i know i am an idiot compared to you guys, but no freaking way am i wrong there |
12:33.19 | JoeSomebody | no freaking way |
12:33.26 | cb400f | the driver has nothing to do with the crashes though... just performance |
12:33.32 | JoeSomebody | so which distro to burn off next arrggggg |
12:33.37 | cb400f | .. unless X is actually crashing, and not just plasma |
12:34.29 | cb400f | if you have X crashes, it's very likely to be caused by the gfx driver |
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12:35.25 | cb400f | distro hopping rarely helps, better to understand the problems and learn to fix/avoid them |
12:35.30 | alittlec_ | can anybode tell me, how to add ONLY ONE language to kde, based on gentoo ? |
12:36.06 | cb400f | you mean translations? |
12:36.20 | cb400f | ask gentoo about their packaging |
12:36.58 | cb400f | however it seems very un-gentoo'esque to bundle all translations in one single package |
12:37.03 | alittlec_ | i already know, what to emerge, but i want not to emerge all languages, only one more. |
12:37.08 | cb400f | so I doubt they've done that |
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12:37.35 | alittlec_ | the package seems to be called kde-i18n. and i suppose, it contains everything |
12:37.43 | rdieter | kde-l10n |
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12:38.02 | rdieter | (kde-i18n are kde3 translations) |
12:38.03 | cb400f | maybe you need to adjust your useflags then or something |
12:38.32 | alittlec_ | that could be an apporach |
12:38.42 | alittlec_ | i will ask them again, thx so far |
12:38.45 | cb400f | but it's a distro specific question about package managment and packaging.. so you'd get much better help in a gentoo channel |
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12:40.07 | henryks | JoeSomebody: cb400f probably's right it's better to understand the problems and so on, but if you are going to try other distro trying Linux Mint may be a good idea (was for me) |
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12:40.29 | henryks | JoeSomebody: recently I installed KDE version and it works flawlessly. |
12:40.56 | cb400f | that would be based on 12.04 still I guess? |
12:41.03 | henryks | JoeSomebody: (in contrary to ubuntu which started to get crashes after 1204 and arch linux which sometimes need a lot of trickery during updates) |
12:41.08 | cb400f | they don't have a flavour based on 12.10 yet, with 4.9 right? |
12:41.16 | henryks | cb400f: I think so, nevertheless i didn't get any troubles with it. |
12:41.40 | JoeSomebody | if i hop back in time i will be fine, just no updates |
12:41.48 | cb400f | still on 4.8 myselfish here.. on openSUSE |
12:41.52 | JoeSomebody | <PROTECTED> |
12:42.09 | JoeSomebody | but usually i get no help and hit a brickwall |
12:42.33 | cb400f | nuking your plasma configuration would be a good start |
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12:43.05 | cb400f | and then don't modify a million things at once.. and avoid 3rd party c++ plasmoids |
12:43.36 | JoeSomebody | no 3rd party |
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12:44.07 | JoeSomebody | dont know much about kde, didnt think i had to, LOL |
12:44.22 | JoeSomebody | a few years ago i was fine with little knowlwdge |
12:44.30 | JoeSomebody | things worked right then |
12:44.33 | cb400f | some people just have a special ability of breaking things, and you seem to be one |
12:44.50 | JoeSomebody | today so much bleeding ege stuff all at once |
12:45.00 | JoeSomebody | no im not |
12:45.33 | cb400f | of course using a distro that ships major kde upgrades with regressions and changed behaviour all the time prolly doesn't help either |
12:45.48 | BluesKaj | yeah , the " wonder what this button does" syndrome ? |
12:45.52 | JoeSomebody | i have install notes, they were flawless until kde or kernel changes |
12:45.53 | henryks | JoeSomebody: I had this yesterday after I upgraded Arch Linux (after long time not doing it), and after reboot I was welcomed by a freeze with error message that my root fs can't be mounted ;] |
12:45.54 | BluesKaj | :) |
12:46.09 | henryks | JoeSomebody: if you want stability over everything go with debian stable. |
12:46.17 | JoeSomebody | i dont break things and i set them according to tried and true notes |
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12:47.58 | JoeSomebody | there are no courses really |
12:48.07 | JoeSomebody | google is not a freaking course |
12:48.35 | JoeSomebody | how are we to enter into this kde world? |
12:48.51 | JoeSomebody | i try to learn but it SO discouraging |
12:49.09 | cb400f | hang out a bit on irc.. visit the forum now and then.. read planetkde.org |
12:49.19 | cb400f | if you're interested |
12:49.24 | JoeSomebody | the docs are only ok ar best |
12:49.27 | JoeSomebody | the docs are only ok at best |
12:49.33 | cb400f | or just don't fiddle around too much, and you won't need to know much |
12:49.44 | JoeSomebody | not much for examples to help one understand, adn i try |
12:50.06 | JoeSomebody | i dont fiddle,well until things dont work |
12:50.21 | JoeSomebody | this power issue |
12:50.27 | JoeSomebody | this is ridiculous |
12:50.30 | cb400f | the disk sleep is not kde |
12:50.46 | cb400f | and power management on linux is a bit sucky.. nothing new about that |
12:50.55 | JoeSomebody | no one on earth knows how to make kde respect monitor power settings? |
12:50.58 | cb400f | also I think it might be fedora specific |
12:51.09 | BluesKaj | JoeSomebody, boo-hoo , stick with one distro, one desktop for a few weeks at least and try to configure it to be as stable as you can ...rtahter than switching distros every few days looking for the perfect OS , ther no such animal |
12:51.41 | cb400f | cuz SUSE had some disk sleep weirdness some time back, cuz of insane RH/FDO defaults in some power management stuff |
12:51.45 | lordievader | cb400f: In Kubuntu the power settings are also ignored. |
12:51.46 | JoeSomebody | i was on pclinusos kde from 2009 until last month |
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12:52.11 | cb400f | lordievader: different issue.. there are no settings for disk sleep in powerdevil anyway afaik |
12:52.34 | JoeSomebody | BluesKaj, have been TRYING to do exactly that |
12:52.37 | lordievader | cb400f: No I think there isn't. |
12:53.04 | JoeSomebody | with little to no help i might add, so of course i am failing |
12:53.34 | cb400f | its impossible to help someone complaining about 50 problems with 4 different distros, in partially wrong places |
12:53.35 | JoeSomebody | i have asked in this channel and in fedora-kde about the problems |
12:53.42 | JoeSomebody | no fixes yet |
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12:54.21 | cb400f | have you tried nuking your plasma config and returning to defaults, and see if it crashes every 5 minutes in default config, I'm pretty confident it does not. |
12:54.33 | JoeSomebody | and now i have it on more machines than one, power problems every machine |
12:54.40 | cb400f | so you're ignoring the help you _are_ getting |
12:54.43 | JoeSomebody | monitor thing at least is on all |
12:55.03 | JoeSomebody | not sure about dekstop crashes yet |
12:55.24 | JoeSomebody | so far the others are behaving except on monitors |
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12:56.06 | JoeSomebody | disk sleep is found to be going on when i crash |
12:56.25 | JoeSomebody | and no reason i can think of for sleep |
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12:57.03 | JoeSomebody | last week i reburned fedora 17, reverified, reinstalled |
12:57.17 | cb400f | another waste of time |
12:57.19 | JoeSomebody | same problems exist on this machine |
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12:57.37 | JoeSomebody | well it was suggested by fedora |
12:58.24 | ozzzy | if you have disk spin-down in your BIOS (can't imagine why on a desktop) turn it off.... I don't |
12:58.35 | JoeSomebody | hmm, they have some serious bugs in their installer, maybe fedora was a bad choice too |
12:58.41 | JoeSomebody | in my bios? |
12:59.14 | JoeSomebody | older hardware, doubt it |
12:59.40 | cb400f | fedora is known for innovation and bleeding edge... reliability is not their strong point |
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12:59.56 | JoeSomebody | asus p5e vm hmdi board |
13:00.22 | JoeSomebody | my settings in bios have not changed in years |
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13:00.51 | JoeSomebody | AGAIN only thing that DID change is new kde , new kernels |
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13:01.35 | JoeSomebody | if pclinuxos had not lost their main dev i'd still be there |
13:01.57 | JoeSomebody | i upgraded to newer kde kernel and BOOM |
13:02.03 | JoeSomebody | now i know why he quit |
13:02.44 | ozzzy | so install something mature |
13:02.48 | cb400f | maybe there's a lesson to be learned about semi-rolling release distros here ;-) |
13:03.18 | JoeSomebody | i could use a good recommendation |
13:03.20 | cb400f | try a distro that won't upgrade your kde and kernel or other core stuff for your productivity |
13:03.28 | JoeSomebody | im like a blindfolded man |
13:03.39 | cb400f | kubunt, opensuse, mint... or possibly debian if all else fails ;-) |
13:03.54 | JoeSomebody | will he put the tail on the donkey ever? |
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13:04.09 | cb400f | or maybe even ROSA Marathon ... 5 year support with kde 4.8 |
13:04.11 | JoeSomebody | kubuntu was before pclinuxos |
13:04.17 | JoeSomebody | wasnt too bad |
13:04.29 | cb400f | rosa is mandriva based too.. which should be familiar to a pclos user I guess |
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13:06.34 | cb400f | pc-bsd might be an option too.. though I think power management is even worse in *bsd than on linux :-) |
13:06.41 | JoeSomebody | i do not mind learning something new |
13:06.52 | JoeSomebody | but if the new is flaky wow |
13:07.14 | JoeSomebody | fedora is a really big team |
13:07.25 | JoeSomebody | but too bleeding edge maybe |
13:07.29 | JoeSomebody | i cant decide |
13:07.42 | cb400f | and high-risk update policy |
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13:08.29 | cb400f | why would you want to risk a kernel update, if you already have a working kernel that supports your hardware |
13:08.39 | cb400f | update -> upgrade |
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13:10.17 | JoeSomebody | becasue i help people in my area with getting into linux |
13:10.35 | JoeSomebody | not just my pc is in chaos |
13:10.55 | JoeSomebody | they are all on pclinuxos, non updateable, except for a few testers |
13:11.17 | JoeSomebody | they are fine and will not get updates until i see fit |
13:11.43 | JoeSomebody | a few i have on fedora have same problems |
13:12.39 | JoeSomebody | can you at least tell me how to keep this screen on? |
13:12.54 | JoeSomebody | can ANYBODY PLEASE at least tell me how to keep this screen on? |
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13:14.23 | JoeSomebody | and to answer an earlier question i like the bleeding edge in windowsland and i do fine there, i thought i coudl handle it here too, ummm nope |
13:15.22 | JoeSomebody | but i also thought you guys would be more helpful, and i am thinking it cant be that i am nasty , because sometimes i am fine :) |
13:15.32 | cb400f | fwiw I've been unable to disable screen standby with kde 4.8 too |
13:16.00 | cb400f | however I assume nothing changed in powerdevil, and someone at RH/FDO played around with the upower api or similar |
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13:18.00 | BluesKaj | JoeSomebody, install nvidia-current ..stop complaining and follow some suggestions that you've been receiving now for over an hrs |
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13:18.21 | JoeSomebody | yes |
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13:25.05 | JoeSomebody | yum install nvidia-current ... No package nvidia-current available |
13:25.30 | cb400f | JoeSomebody: while I can't disable screen standby, it does seem that the time interval I set is respected, so maybe setting the standby to occur after a long time is better than trying to turn it off |
13:25.48 | cb400f | .. or maybe your problem is not standby at all.. but rather the screensaver |
13:26.28 | JoeSomebody | screensaver / power management set to stay on |
13:26.44 | JoeSomebody | yet monitor blanks in a minute or two |
13:26.53 | JoeSomebody | i have kmod and xorg |
13:27.10 | JoeSomebody | when i search for nvidia in the pkg mgmt gui |
13:27.31 | cb400f | the nvidia blob is not in official fedora repos of course.. do you have the rpm fusion repo? |
13:27.35 | JoeSomebody | <PROTECTED> |
13:27.50 | JoeSomebody | cb400f, yes |
13:28.03 | cb400f | then google for 'fedora nvidia' |
13:28.24 | lordievader | Just throwing some thoughts out there, isn't it a good idea to start with one of JoeSomebody's problems and one only? Also it is usefull if you address someone with their nick, JoeSomebody. |
13:28.36 | BluesKaj | JoeSomebody, maybe fedora calls nvidia-current by another name , the most recent drivers are 304.43 and 304.51 |
13:28.49 | JoeSomebody | ok but you realize that i asked fedora guys and they said the default nouveau driver is fine |
13:29.01 | JoeSomebody | they said i do not need nvidia driver |
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13:29.13 | JoeSomebody | i was accustomed to using one |
13:29.24 | BluesKaj | !who | JoeSomebody |
13:29.30 | JoeSomebody | im all for using one |
13:29.49 | BluesKaj | hmm , no who factoid |
13:29.51 | JoeSomebody | but there are about a hundred choices |
13:30.12 | BluesKaj | whoare you talking to JoeSomebody ? |
13:30.13 | JoeSomebody | i am in eastern canada off halifax eastlink isp |
13:30.44 | BluesKaj | eastlink has nothing to do with the OS or desktop |
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13:34.22 | JoeSomebody | i have asked #fedora which nvidia driver to try for my geforce 210 |
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13:36.21 | JoeSomebody | i still have my pclinuxos install on this box, (and xp and win7) i believe in trying new things and making them work, but maybe bit off more than i can chew in linuxland |
13:36.59 | JoeSomebody | maybe i should reboot into pclinuxos and say oh well it was worth a shot |
13:37.20 | JoeSomebody | but then i would be a bigger loser than i already am |
13:38.17 | JoeSomebody | the fact that I CAN reboot into 3 OTHER more or less stable OSes on this box says something for the box |
13:38.23 | JoeSomebody | right? |
13:39.22 | JoeSomebody | changes nick to JoeFrustrated |
13:39.38 | lordievader | JoeSomebody: No it does not, it only says something about the specific combination of OS/distro and your hardware. |
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14:57.35 | Wizard | Hi. |
14:57.45 | Wizard | Where can I configure "snap maximalization" |
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15:05.18 | safridzal | <PROTECTED> |
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15:23.10 | Phr33d0m | safridzal well that's some strange question you have there... if you want a HUGE consumption of RAM for NO reason, install winbug 7/8 |
15:23.35 | Wizard | :D |
15:23.45 | safridzal | Phr33d0m: yea, know it.. |
15:23.54 | Wizard | Or run some Java IDE. |
15:24.18 | safridzal | but i still feels that my RAM is useless.. whats the point of buying it if my system not using it?? |
15:25.24 | abveritas | safridzal: tried compiling something like libreoffice? |
15:25.32 | vootey | safridzal: if youre using kde you can give nepomuk more memory. :P |
15:25.52 | vHanda | :| |
15:26.19 | vootey | or tell okular to load everything into ram. |
15:26.28 | safridzal | abveritas: mm.. use debian binary is fine with me :D |
15:26.58 | abveritas | safridzal: :) just giving you an idea when your system will actually use all RAM |
15:27.13 | safridzal | haha.. kay |
15:27.28 | vootey | my "normal" ram-usage is 5.2 GB. :D |
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15:28.02 | safridzal | vootey: ah, thats my other question.. ( im disabling nepomuk since this sistem installed) |
15:28.14 | safridzal | will nepomuk consume cpu power? |
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15:28.39 | safridzal | i'd like to enable it if its low on cpu but high-ram usage.. :D |
15:29.17 | vootey | i dont think nepomuk itself will use much. |
15:29.29 | vootey | rather the file indexing stuff. |
15:29.51 | vootey | for initial indexing e.g. |
15:29.54 | safridzal | next stop > system settings.. |
15:31.01 | Wizard | Hmm, seems Debian saves people from Akonadi hell. |
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15:31.39 | vootey | I think the devs would tell you now that nepumok is not the same as akonadi. :P |
15:31.42 | Wizard | Wheezy has 4.8.4, but Kontakt is 4.4.x |
15:31.59 | Wizard | I know they aren't. |
15:32.13 | Wizard | I'm just happy I don't have to deal with Akonadi. |
15:32.17 | vootey | yeah that's the old kmail. |
15:32.44 | Wizard | And Nepomuk has "opt-out" option. |
15:33.05 | vootey | i use 4.9 and don't have much troubles with it nowadays. |
15:34.02 | vootey | and since i have 8 gig ram I don't care about ram usage. that's propably the main reason to stay away from it. (Actually I don't know about real numbers.) |
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15:37.25 | Wizard | Dunno, I migrated back to Debian and I'm really lazy, so I use what it has in repo. |
15:37.48 | Wizard | In general, Debian's definition of "stable" fits my own :P |
15:37.57 | Wizard | BBL |
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15:38.54 | vootey | the worst part is that the kde-login takes approximately hours. but i try to avoid that. :P |
15:38.56 | vootey | hehe |
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15:41.20 | JoeSomebody | kde, to me, is the best thing between the user and a computer, to me it beats all the other DEs and windows too, i hope when culprit is found it is not kde, truly i do |
15:41.33 | kalib | Hello people. What should I do when kmixer only recognizes my card as a generic one? Alsamixer recognizes it just fine as HDA Intel, and I can control tmy volume with alsamixer.. but not with kmixer. Any tip? |
15:41.51 | kalib | "internal audio... " |
15:42.03 | Wizard | Ah, BTW, Debian has icon-only-task-manager in repo and even installs it by default with kde-desktop task. |
15:42.11 | Wizard | Kubuntu should learn a lesson ;P |
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15:43.05 | Wizard | Icon only task manager is a killer feature ;P |
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15:44.49 | cb400f | icon only tasks is part of KDE SC since 4.8 |
15:45.09 | cb400f | so any distro will have it |
15:45.22 | BluesKaj | kalib, run sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , the reboot , kmix should see the module when it loads at bootup |
15:45.31 | cb400f | any distro with fairly recent KDE SC that is |
15:45.37 | Wizard | cb400f: Glad to hear it! |
15:45.42 | BluesKaj | then reboot, kalib |
15:45.46 | safridzal | what is SC ? |
15:46.00 | Wizard | Software Compilation. |
15:46.03 | cb400f | software compilation.. the stuff that gets released every 6 months |
15:46.06 | kalib | bluesceada, thanks, I'll check it right now. |
15:46.08 | safridzal | owh.. kay |
15:46.11 | safridzal | thanks |
15:46.26 | Wizard | KDE's official name ;) |
15:46.33 | cb400f | no |
15:46.37 | cb400f | a subset of KDE |
15:46.44 | Wizard | Ah, than sorry. |
15:47.14 | cb400f | all the extragear, calligra, and even stuff developed outside kde infrastructure is also KDE |
15:47.27 | Wizard | For me - it doesn't matter. KDE is just a desktop for me. |
15:47.32 | kalib | bluesceada, but, if I modprobe and then reboot, the module will be unloaded after reboot, or not? |
15:47.38 | kalib | BluesKaj, |
15:47.39 | Wizard | Ah, Calligra is not officially in KDE SC? |
15:47.44 | kalib | bluesceada, sorry. |
15:47.49 | cb400f | plasma workspace is a desktop :-) .. KDE is much, much more |
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15:48.19 | Wizard | I agree, sorry, I can't be to precise at Sunday. |
15:48.24 | Wizard | :P |
15:48.29 | BluesKaj | <PROTECTED> |
15:48.44 | Wizard | For example, for my wife KDE is a movie launcher and firefox launcher. |
15:48.45 | Wizard | :P |
15:49.09 | Wizard | Matter of point of view. |
15:49.26 | kalib | BluesKaj, let me try.. |
15:49.32 | Wizard | Hi, BluesKaj. |
15:49.55 | BluesKaj | hi Wizard |
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15:52.43 | safridzal | is there a way to speed up KDE startup? i've disable some service on startup, but still, it load after ~20sec.. well, cant be compared to gnome or xfce if talk about startup speed.. |
15:53.05 | kalib | BluesKaj, after rebooting I'm now complete mute. no sound. o.O hahaha |
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15:53.20 | BluesKaj | unmute |
15:54.27 | Wizard | DaZ: :* |
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15:54.52 | kalib | BluesKaj, but they're not mute.. neither on kmix or alsamixer. |
15:55.12 | kalib | any tip or suggestion? |
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15:55.25 | DaZ | ~~*: |
15:57.10 | BluesKaj | kalib, can you take a screenshot of your alsamixer and kmix panel , and paste it in imagebin.org please. |
15:57.32 | kalib | just a second.. |
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16:00.22 | kalib | BluesKaj, http://gilfran.net/repositorio/SS/alsamixer.png |
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16:01.29 | kalib | and http://gilfran.net/repositorio/SS/kmix.png |
16:02.23 | BluesKaj | kalib, automute is enabled in alsamixer , use the arrow key to disable it |
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16:03.19 | kalib | how? |
16:03.24 | kalib | which arrow? |
16:03.30 | kalib | oh..alsamixer..let me check |
16:03.53 | BluesKaj | up/down arrow |
16:04.16 | BluesKaj | <-> keys to navigate |
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16:04.47 | kalib | let me try |
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16:05.57 | BluesKaj | <- and -> arrow keys to move back and forth to be more precise |
16:07.02 | kalib | Yeah, got it.. I did it.. |
16:08.10 | kalib | ok, now it's strange. |
16:08.23 | kalib | for example.. on my browser, on youtbe, I can hear video's sound. |
16:08.24 | BluesKaj | kmix should now show that't'sunmuted , kalib |
16:08.31 | kalib | but on audacious, for example, I can't . |
16:09.26 | BluesKaj | what can't you hear on audacious ? |
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16:10.17 | kalib | yeah |
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16:11.37 | BluesKaj | kalib, what can't you hear , youtube or music on your hard drive? |
16:11.48 | BluesKaj | with audacious |
16:12.06 | kalib | I can go to youtube using firefox and hear music/videos.. |
16:12.18 | kalib | but when trying to listen a musci with audacious, I can't listen my musics. |
16:12.25 | kalib | let me try to listen a mp3 file with mpg123 |
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16:13.10 | kalib | ok.. with mpg123 the sound is ok |
16:13.26 | BluesKaj | yeah , audacious may not be setup correctly |
16:13.56 | BluesKaj | clementine is a nice music player |
16:14.21 | BluesKaj | prefer it to amarok |
16:14.31 | kalib | but, that's not the only problem.. |
16:14.40 | kalib | I mean, when I'm playing a music with mpg123.. |
16:14.45 | kalib | or even watching a video on youtbe. |
16:14.52 | kalib | my volume controls on kmix are not responding.. |
16:15.06 | kalib | If I need to up or down the volume, I have to use alsamixer. |
16:15.34 | BluesKaj | do you have vol ctrls on the keyboard? |
16:17.02 | kalib | yes.. |
16:17.23 | kalib | but they're not working. |
16:17.33 | kalib | I can use them and see the volume bar going to zero. |
16:17.43 | kalib | but the sound still playing.. I can still hear the same volume. |
16:17.55 | kalib | the only way I can control my volume is by alsamixer |
16:18.26 | kalib | strange right!? any tip? |
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16:18.48 | kalib | http://gilfran.net/repositorio/SS/kmix1.png |
16:19.04 | kalib | http://gilfran.net/repositorio/SS/kmix2.png |
16:19.14 | kalib | http://gilfran.net/repositorio/SS/kmix3.png |
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16:19.20 | kalib | any other suggestion? |
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16:21.01 | BluesKaj | kalib, nope , I seem to have the same problem , my KB ctrls used to work til I upgraded my OS a few days ago :) |
16:22.44 | kalib | what's your OS? |
16:22.56 | BluesKaj | and kmix vol doesn't work here either .. I have to use the vol ctrl on the amplifier remote |
16:24.05 | kalib | what's you OS? |
16:24.22 | BluesKaj | I'm testing kubuntu 13.04 atm , it's in it's early development phase right now so ican't expect much :) |
16:24.35 | BluesKaj | what OS are you on kalib ? |
16:24.51 | kalib | Archlinux |
16:25.27 | kalib | that's strange.. I don't have the option Configure Channels on my Settings of kmix |
16:25.29 | BluesKaj | which kde kalib ? |
16:29.23 | kalib | last one |
16:29.42 | kalib | 4.9.2 |
16:30.30 | BluesKaj | same here , think it's a bug in kde 4.9.2 |
16:35.12 | kalib | strange |
16:37.50 | cb400f | do you both use pulseaudio? |
16:38.16 | cb400f | kmix has quite different options and look depending on whether PA is used or not |
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16:41.05 | BluesKaj | cb400f, yeah i need pulse for my pci soundcard since alsa no longer links to flash-audio on websites like youtube |
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16:44.47 | BluesKaj | cb400f, otherwise I could live without pulseaudio , alsa works fine on audio from the HDD , but not from the web |
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16:51.59 | Q-collective | hey all |
16:52.54 | Q-collective | When I try to scan something via skanlite, it only takes my laptop camera, not my scanner. And I'm not sure how to switch to the scanner or check if the scanner is seen at all? |
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17:04.02 | BluesKaj | bbl...stuff to do |
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17:26.57 | Gaming4JC | the data is available at http://onearth.jpl.nasa.gov/OnEarth.xml |
17:27.05 | Gaming4JC | trying to see the hurricane without installing Google Earth :P |
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17:39.16 | Sho_ | Kardos: That you enabled silence monitoring for the tab named Shell and there was no change in that session for a few seconds |
17:39.49 | Kardos | ah |
17:39.56 | Wizard | What a cool feature :) |
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17:40.00 | Kardos | interesting i didn't deliberately do that |
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17:40.18 | Kardos | found it in the config to turn off, thanks |
17:40.43 | Kardos | so you'd want that feature if you're running a remote top and the session dies? for ex.. |
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17:58.04 | koshie | Hey |
17:58.11 | koshie | How to modify the trash size limit ? |
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18:07.14 | cb400f | koshie: add the trash widget -> right click -> settings |
18:07.29 | cb400f | .. though there must be another way to do it |
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18:08.36 | cb400f | koshie: right, you can also do it from dolphin settings |
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18:11.45 | koshie | I've found but I've nothing in dolphin :p |
18:11.51 | koshie | thanks |
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18:18.33 | cb400f | koshie: in dolphin.. click on wrench in top right corner -> configure dolphin -> trash |
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18:46.39 | fritzophrenic | I'm trying to use the Muon Software Center in Ubuntu, and "search" always turns up zero results, even when I search by an exact name like 7zip. I found a report about a bug where the SC didn't update the search index, but the Package Manager did, so I loaded the package manager, waited for the search index to rebuild, and went back to the SC. Still zero results. What else can I try? |
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18:47.06 | fritzophrenic | The normal Ubuntu SW center works, but I'm on a KDE desktop so I'm not too happy with going through there. |
18:47.12 | fritzophrenic | SW sources look correct. |
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18:51.59 | fritzophrenic | looks like the package manager cannot search either |
18:54.57 | escape2 | is here android fans? |
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22:45.26 | Husar | hi |
22:46.02 | Husar | how can i set automatic icon size on dolphin in Places module? |
22:46.54 | Psi|4ward | Husar: which kwin version? |
22:46.59 | Psi|4ward | dolphin version |
22:47.39 | Husar | this just disappeared after last update |
22:48.00 | Husar | 2.1 4.9.2 |
22:48.05 | Psi|4ward | some version there was a fixed size |
22:48.20 | Psi|4ward | with 4.9.2 you can set the size in dolphinrc |
22:48.23 | Psi|4ward | [PlacesPanel] |
22:48.25 | Psi|4ward | IconSize=40 |
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22:50.48 | Husar | Psi|4ward: thanks, is working |
22:51.08 | Psi|4ward | Of course, it stressed me much too |
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