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09:06.43 | thechef | With kwin in compositing mode I have the feeling that the frames are not as "recent" as without compositing, but I have the feeling it's not because of the additional buffer, because I can see on Ubuntu 10.04 with Gnome 2 and compositing enabled that if I move the a window with the mouse that the distance between the mouse and the location where I initially grabbed the window is lower. Are there syncing issues with kwin, or are client |
09:06.44 | thechef | applications not asked to render at an appropriate moment (such as: the next scan will be then, please make sure you only render shortly before that time, so your frame is fresh enough) |
09:07.04 | thechef | maybe that syncing doesn't work right anymore? |
09:07.13 | thechef | What kind of syncing is that by the way? |
09:07.59 | thechef | there is vertical sync - which doesn't make sure the frame is as fresh as possible.. |
09:10.13 | Sho_ | thechef: you probably want to try and catch mgraesslin in #kwin some time |
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09:15.11 | oneforall2 | how can I refresh kde to connect to the server with out exit and startx? |
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09:43.09 | thechef | Sho_: thanks, will do that (or file a bug report) |
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09:51.24 | mmh_ | hello,i am trying to open libkface(a cmake kde project) in qt-creator in my gentoo kde system but its not asking for any build directory but only cmakelists.txt file is getting open,what am i missing,how to open?i have kdepimlibs,qt-core and cmake installed in my system |
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10:39.43 | aditsu | hi, what's the best way to use kde on a (convertible) tablet? |
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10:40.26 | aditsu | any tablet interface? |
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10:45.17 | Mirrakor | aditsu: There is a netbook interface afaik |
10:46.10 | Mirrakor | aditsu: looks something like this: http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.5/screenshots/plasma-netbook-sal.png |
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10:49.00 | Sho_ | aditsu: Plasma Active |
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10:51.34 | aditsu | Mirrakor: I've seen that, but I'm not sure if it's made with touch screens in mind |
10:51.46 | aditsu | Sho_: is that a package that I can install or more like a separate distro? |
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10:53.05 | Sho_ | aditsu: It's KDE's project to develop a Plasma workspace for tablets; it's packaged by several distros I guess but due to the high demands on integration the team, uniquely in KDE, also produces OS images |
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10:58.33 | Mirrakor | aditsu: I don't think it was designed with a touchscreen in mind (but rather with fewer, bigger symbols), but the project sho mentioned seems promising :-) |
10:58.50 | MrSassyPants | I'm trying to make chrome my standard browser. I think xchat opens urls with "kfmclient exec" however what does get opened in the browser then is a file in /var/tmp/kdecache |
10:59.34 | MrSassyPants | if anyone knows exactly what's wrong with xchat, feel free to elaborate, otherwise I'd like to know why kfmclient exec (or whatever is being run precisely) fails to open urls in place |
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11:01.24 | Sho_ | Mirrakor, aditsu: Actually Plasma Netbook was designed to be touchscreen-compatible, but for Netbooks with touchscreens |
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11:05.31 | aditsu | I have a convertible notebook with touchscreen |
11:06.27 | aditsu | bigger, higher res and more powerful than a netbook |
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13:15.42 | Kalidarn | where is the config file that stores the pinned items in the kickoff menu? |
13:15.58 | Kalidarn | i assumed it was in .kde/share/config somewhere |
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13:18.47 | Kalidarn | oh looks like it is in kickoffrc |
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13:23.17 | Khas | Heya, can anyone recommend a good dock for kde? AWN and Docky seem to want half of gnome to run :-( |
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13:26.47 | Kalidarn | Khas: besides docky is unstable :P |
13:26.58 | Khas | Ah, that's good to know XD |
13:27.10 | Kalidarn | one of the things i actually like about kicker is that it doesn't crash all the time |
13:27.30 | Kalidarn | personally i gave away using third party docks, because they used to crash |
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13:28.11 | Kalidarn | and to be honest docks really are not a good feature copied from MacoSX. |
13:28.30 | Kalidarn | they take up a lot of room, and don't really do all that much |
13:28.51 | Khas | I just want rid of the taskbar. |
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13:29.16 | Khas | I used to replace it on windows with independent docks for various things in various corners |
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13:56.14 | BluesKaj | Hey all |
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13:58.06 | Kalidarn | hmm, if i wanted to make kde's desktop effects disabled on startup, what config would I need to look at |
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13:58.25 | mbnoimi | Why most linux distros prefer Gnome over KDE? |
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13:58.41 | tsimpson | Kalidarn: system settings -> desktop effects |
13:58.42 | Kalidarn | specifcally "Enable desktop effects at startup" is what im looking for |
13:58.46 | Kalidarn | where that is stored |
13:58.54 | Kalidarn | mbnoimi: i wouldn't say most do |
13:59.05 | Kalidarn | the redhat ones basically use gnome because they own it |
13:59.07 | Khas | Kalidarn: desktop effects -> "Enable desktop effects at startup" |
13:59.17 | Khas | tsimpson: damn, beat me to it XD |
13:59.20 | Kalidarn | and ubuntu now is moving away from gnome (unity, is going to not have any gnome deps) |
13:59.24 | mbnoimi | Kalidarn: but ubuntu left it forever |
13:59.42 | tsimpson | unity uses gnome |
13:59.48 | Kalidarn | yes but it won't soon |
13:59.56 | Kalidarn | they are removing their dependency on it |
13:59.57 | tsimpson | references? |
14:00.07 | Kalidarn | i was reading about it on phoronix, in future releases they plan to |
14:00.14 | Kalidarn | because some parts of it use gnome 2 dependencies. |
14:00.32 | mbnoimi | tsimpson: exactly for that I'm woindering why most of them don't prefer KDE although most of them planned to leave Gnome?! |
14:00.36 | tsimpson | I can see them removing gnome2 stuff, but not gnome |
14:00.47 | Kalidarn | gnome 3 is too unstable to be useful, seems to be the general consensus. |
14:00.59 | tsimpson | so was KDE 4.0 |
14:01.03 | Kalidarn | i also have found gnome/unity to be lacking in configuration, I can never have things just how i like them |
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14:01.14 | Kalidarn | tsimpson: that's very true, but that was a long time ago |
14:01.22 | Kalidarn | i think at that point i was using xfce |
14:01.33 | tsimpson | no that long, and it took KDE a few releases to become stable |
14:01.48 | Kalidarn | about 4.5+ is when KDE got actually good |
14:02.02 | Kalidarn | and now it's pretty rock solid, i haven't had something crash on me in a very long time |
14:02.52 | Kalidarn | Khas: tsimpson yes i know where the option is, i want to know where the value is stored, ie what config it's likely to be in |
14:02.57 | BluesKaj | Kalidarn, if you disable desktop effects , they will stay disabled as long as you use the default settings in session management in startup and shutdown |
14:03.05 | Khas | Kalidarn: oh you mean config -file-. |
14:03.09 | Kalidarn | yes |
14:03.34 | tsimpson | ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc |
14:03.38 | Kalidarn | ah :D |
14:03.43 | tsimpson | under [Compositing |
14:03.49 | Kalidarn | so i was right |
14:03.50 | tsimpson | Enabled=true/false |
14:03.57 | Kalidarn | yep :D |
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14:04.43 | Kalidarn | i'd grepped my kde dir and found that update_info variable ;) |
14:05.13 | Kalidarn | i actually like how KDE keeps things in human readable form |
14:05.34 | tsimpson | well, it's just INI format |
14:05.49 | Kalidarn | yeah. |
14:06.21 | Kalidarn | but it could be like gnome where you have to use gconf-editor |
14:06.24 | tsimpson | it's not entirely human-readable though |
14:06.27 | Kalidarn | which would be annoying ;) |
14:06.34 | Kalidarn | yeah the state is base64 by the looks of it |
14:06.38 | Kalidarn | state in dolphinrc |
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14:07.07 | tsimpson | have a look at krunnerrc too |
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14:07.27 | Kalidarn | but i already found that the state in that base64 encoded value stores what panels are open |
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14:09.20 | Kalidarn | one thing i didn't see in dolphinrc is a value for the "view" and whether hidden files are visible. |
14:09.59 | Kalidarn | ah that's in kdeglobals |
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14:17.09 | Kalidarn | mbnoimi although one thing i have noticed the majority of "gnome" distributions still use GNOME 2 |
14:17.22 | Kalidarn | i think fedora is basically the only thing on GNOME 3 at the moment. |
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14:19.06 | AL13N | does anyone what programs/libs i need for a device notifier and if something needs to be running |
14:19.45 | AL13N | i have knotify running if that's what i need |
14:24.56 | cb400f | udisks? kded4? |
14:25.16 | cb400f | but really.. you need to talk to your distro if basic stuff is not in place and working |
14:26.38 | cb400f | and of course you need to have the device notifier widget in the panel, desktop or systray ;-) |
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14:34.28 | mbnoimi | Kalidarn: indeed this is another issue but why they don't use KDE itself?! KDE has tons of feature make it better than Gnome specially for Desktop usage |
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14:36.39 | AL13N | cb400f: i'm using the development side of the distro, and i didn't install full kde, just only what i need |
14:36.54 | AL13N | cb400f: i'm trying to get a device notifier applet, but i have no idea how to get one |
14:37.10 | AL13N | cb400f: udisks is installed, does it need to have some kind of service running? |
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14:40.04 | cb400f | AL13N: yeah, there's a deamon thingy |
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14:42.16 | AL13N | cb400f: any idea what it's called |
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14:42.58 | cb400f | on my system it's udisks-daemon .. but I'm not on udisks2 yet, so.. |
14:43.22 | cb400f | and I'm sure RH changed the name, if nothing else just for the sake of changing something |
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14:44.05 | AL13N | i have udisks2 |
14:44.06 | cb400f | hmm.. or maybe I am.. I have both udisks and udisks2 installed actually |
14:44.13 | AL13N | hmm, both? |
14:44.36 | cb400f | they should be parallel installable.. cuz of course udisks2 is not backwards compatible |
14:45.12 | AL13N | ic |
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14:46.28 | cb400f | at least RH showed the good will of making them parallel instalable so there wouldn't be total breakage everywhere |
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14:47.00 | cb400f | when they decided udisks needed to be completely rewritten from scratch after what 1-2 years of existence? |
14:47.23 | cb400f | I guess they didn't learn enough from hal and devicekit to get the design right the third time either |
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14:47.31 | cb400f | stops trolling |
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14:59.57 | Aknot | I donwloaded the caledonia colours thing. Where do i have to put it? |
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15:09.05 | cb400f | Aknot: what is it? .. a kde colour scheme (*.colors file)? |
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15:13.01 | Aknot | yes |
15:13.54 | cb400f | just use systemsettings -> application appearance -> colors to import it |
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15:18.12 | Aknot | can i delete the file afterwards? |
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15:25.50 | AL13N | udisks2 doesn't have any kind of daemon thing |
15:26.16 | AL13N | does udisks-daemon get started from kde login? |
15:26.22 | AL13N | or is it something systemwise |
15:26.23 | cb400f | Aknot: I should think so.. think "import" means it's copied to somewhere in ~/.kde/ ... but you can just try moving it first |
15:26.52 | cb400f | AL13N: I think it's tied to udev |
15:27.49 | AL13N | systemd seems to have started something udisks2 related |
15:28.01 | AL13N | so maybe i just need the systray thingie now |
15:29.10 | AL13N | kdebase4-workspace seems to have devicenotifier stuff |
15:29.16 | AL13N | maybe i need to somehow start it |
15:29.19 | cb400f | for starters just try dragging the device notifier widget to the desktop |
15:29.19 | AL13N | when i log in? |
15:29.28 | shumski | AL13N: and what is your issue? |
15:29.46 | AL13N | i don't have a device notifier systray icon |
15:30.18 | cb400f | is it available in the systray settinsg under "entries"? |
15:33.02 | shumski | AL13N: unless -DWITH_SOLID_UDISKS2=TRUE is passed to kdelibs, KDE is using udisks, not udisks2 |
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15:34.07 | AL13N | ic |
15:34.23 | AL13N | systray settings, that's another thing i can check |
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15:41.25 | AL13N | ok, it seems i had to enable device notifier there, and that made it work |
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15:41.43 | AL13N | too bad the autostart patch didn't work |
15:42.14 | AL13N | but that's another matter entirely |
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15:57.45 | fede | Hi, I cannot set the clock automatically. What can be the problem? |
15:58.52 | cb400f | some kind of ntp related problem.. just set up ntp using another tool than the clock widget |
15:59.09 | fede | how can I do that? |
15:59.17 | cb400f | depends on your distro |
15:59.21 | fede | I'm using arch |
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15:59.44 | cb400f | then search the web 'arch ntp daemon' or similar |
15:59.52 | fede | ok, thanks |
16:00.08 | tsimpson | the ntp stuff usually requires root access |
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16:00.34 | cb400f | yeah, prolly some policykit mess or similar |
16:00.48 | cb400f | people constantly report probs setting up ntp via the kde clock widget |
16:01.42 | tsimpson | well setting the system clock is a privileged action |
16:01.56 | fede | I had that problem in opensuse also |
16:02.25 | cb400f | sure, but opensuse has a nice yast module for ntp, so why would you use a plasma widget for it anyway ;-) |
16:02.40 | fede | I did have access to set up the timezone and hour, but every time I loged in the time restarted |
16:04.20 | tsimpson | I have a cron job for ntp, took it with me for years |
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16:06.33 | fede | I didn't have any problems before, with other distributions |
16:06.49 | fede | Even with arch, on a previous kde version |
16:08.18 | fede | well... I installed ntp |
16:08.40 | fede | now I can see the option on the gui, but it cannot connect to ntp server |
16:11.23 | fede | bueno, parece que lo resolví agregando el timezone al rc.conf |
16:11.30 | fede | sorry |
16:11.34 | fede | english |
16:11.53 | fede | I solved it adding timezone to rc.conf |
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16:12.11 | fede | I hope it's ok when I restart the machine |
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16:25.16 | Aknot | can i set application launcher to right mouse click? |
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16:40.57 | fede | another problem I'm having is the audio. When I'm reproducing something from clementine, or from the web, vlc can't access the sound |
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16:41.54 | fede | It's like the system can't handle two audio tasks at the same time |
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16:42.10 | fede | I'm missing some libraries? |
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16:42.41 | fede | It happens even if one of the media is paused |
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16:43.31 | Inkane | fede: are you using pulseaudio? |
16:44.02 | fede | yes, I think so |
16:44.47 | Inkane | fede: do you have veromix installed? |
16:45.21 | fede | no, it's a plasma applet right? |
16:46.12 | Inkane | fede: yes, it is |
16:46.34 | fede | let me install ir |
16:46.51 | Inkane | it is not really needed, but it handes pulseaudio better than kmix (prior to 4.10 at least) and might show some information |
16:46.51 | fede | that should solve the problem? |
16:47.00 | fede | ah, ok |
16:47.20 | remus | Aknot: yes, right click desktop (if you haven't altered that settings) choose default desktop settings or similar and mouse actions |
16:47.26 | fede | I'm using kmix 4.2 |
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16:52.06 | fede | inkane, no it didn't solve the problem |
16:52.30 | fede | Another strange thing, when I change the volume on vlc the system volume change instead |
16:52.44 | Inkane | fede: if you click on veromix, does it show seperate sliders? |
16:52.57 | Inkane | about vlc: I think that is intended by vlc |
16:53.07 | Inkane | at least it has done this here since some versions |
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16:53.16 | Inkane | and no, I don't think that this is intuitive |
16:54.07 | fede | yes, but the audio isn't workin on vlc |
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16:55.00 | Inkane | fede: which version of pulseaudio and which phonon backend are you using? |
16:55.18 | fede | pulse 3.0, backend vlc |
16:56.04 | Inkane | fede: I'm not really sure what is going wrong an your side, but could you try if it works with phonon-gstreamer? |
16:56.56 | fede | ok, let me try |
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16:58.51 | fede | no, still not working |
16:59.43 | Inkane | fede: sorry, no idea what else could affect it then |
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17:01.32 | fede | When I start sound configuration I get the error message of default alsa eliminated |
17:01.57 | fede | Do you wish kde forget this devices? |
17:02.03 | fede | this is the question |
17:02.19 | fede | or something like that, I'm using spanish version |
17:03.15 | fede | also, if I'm using dragon player for exmple, and try to play music on clementine or amarok, I get a message that the program can't access the device beacuse some other program is using it |
17:03.35 | Inkane | fede: you might want to check the multimedia settings in systemsettings |
17:03.46 | fede | It's strange, never happened to me before, I guess I'm missing something in the installation |
17:03.58 | Inkane | and there, under the Phonon tab, check the device order |
17:05.23 | fede | I only have one |
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17:05.27 | fede | internal analog device |
17:06.55 | Inkane | fede: that sounds wrong when using pulse. There should be pulseaudio server as a device afaik |
17:07.49 | fede | mmm |
17:07.54 | fede | should I install something? |
17:07.59 | fede | no idea what |
17:08.20 | Inkane | fede: neither have I. Maybe ask in your distribution channel/forum? |
17:08.59 | fede | yes, I'm doing that |
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17:09.40 | fede | when I run pulseaudio on the terminal I get this |
17:09.41 | fede | <PROTECTED> |
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17:14.32 | fede | well, I think I solved it installing alsa-pulseaudio plugins |
17:15.30 | fede | now I can play both at the same time |
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17:16.35 | fede | And now vlc doesn't control the system volume |
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17:18.47 | fede | thanks for your help inkane |
17:18.55 | Inkane | your welcome |
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17:25.17 | peaceblaster | Running KDE on Slackware 14.0, and iwconfig recognizes my wifi card, but KDE's network manager does not. I've installed wicd, and set system settings > information sources to wicd, but it is still not recognized |
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17:34.53 | Aristide | Hi ! |
17:35.11 | Aristide | I have a small question : How change « right click » action on desktop ? |
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17:40.16 | Inkane | Aristide: right click on the desktop, choose settings from the menu, and set it in mouse actions |
17:41.00 | peaceblaster | Running KDE on Slackware 14.0, and iwconfig recognizes my wifi card, but KDE's network manager does not. I've installed wicd, and set system settings > information sources to wicd, but it is still not recognized |
17:42.06 | Aristide | Inkane: Sorry but I don't find setting |
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17:42.44 | React0S | hi! |
17:42.54 | Aristide | Hi React0S :) |
17:42.55 | React0S | http://rekonq.kde.org/ is it portable to windows? |
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17:43.03 | Inkane | Aristide: the actual name will differ from language to language, but it should be the last entry of the menu |
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17:43.45 | Inkane | Aristide: if you have standard keybindings, pressing alt+d, then alt+s might work also |
17:43.47 | Aristide | Inkane: Is not last entry on menu :( |
17:44.01 | Inkane | Aristide: what is your last entry? |
17:44.24 | Aristide | Inkane: « Aide » (help) |
17:44.40 | Aristide | Alt+S call krunner and ALT+D do nothing :( |
17:45.06 | Inkane | Aristide: have you pressed alt+d before alt+s? |
17:45.11 | Inkane | that is necessary |
17:45.22 | Inkane | also, desktop must have focus |
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17:45.36 | Aristide | Yeah |
17:45.41 | Aristide | Thank you :) |
17:46.01 | React0S | Aristide: http://rekonq.kde.org/ is it portable to windows? |
17:46.26 | Aristide | React0S: I don't know I don't use/like Windows |
17:46.53 | React0S | where can i ask about? |
17:47.01 | React0S | who knows? |
17:47.46 | Inkane | React0S: it is probably possible; e.g.: http://lpapp.blogspot.de/2012/09/randa-rekonq-installer-for-windows.html |
17:47.58 | Inkane | React0S: I think there is kde-windows |
17:48.26 | React0S | wohooooo! |
17:48.29 | React0S | thanks |
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17:49.55 | Zero_Angel | I wonder if it would be themable to windows. The 'KDE for Windows' suite comes with ksystemsettings which lets you change your KDE (and perhaps QT) apps to use a theme that integrates well with windows |
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17:50.32 | Zero_Angel | http://zeroangel.overminddl1.com/misc_images/kate-win.png -- Kate on Windows 7 <3 |
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17:53.55 | Zero_Angel | was happy to find out that Kate worked on Win7. The other 'killer' KDE app in my opinion would be K3B but I imagine that one would have problems since it needs to interface with the windows kernel and drivers |
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18:21.42 | alusion | Hey guys for some reason |
18:21.46 | alusion | my panel won't autohide.. |
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18:32.34 | ompaul | alusion: what did you try to make it happen |
18:32.40 | ompaul | alusion: and what version of kde |
18:33.09 | alusion | Hmm the latest I believe |
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18:33.31 | alusion | It was autohiding before |
18:33.34 | alusion | then it just stopped |
18:33.47 | ompaul | click on help and choose about kde |
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18:34.22 | alusion | 4.9.5 |
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18:35.37 | ompaul | and you right clicked on the panel and chose -> panel options -> panel settings -> more settings |
18:35.44 | alusion | yeaa |
18:35.59 | ompaul | have you logged out and back in since happened? |
18:36.05 | alusion | yes |
18:36.10 | ompaul | in case it was something stupid in the session |
18:36.13 | alusion | it's persistent |
18:36.42 | alusion | I can log out and back in now to be safe |
18:36.43 | alusion | brb |
18:37.09 | ompaul | set up a new user see if it happens for them - if it does then you have an issue with your own personal settings |
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18:41.27 | alusion | fixed.. |
18:41.28 | alusion | o_o |
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18:47.19 | Zero_Angel | relogging fixed the issue? |
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18:51.06 | The_ManU_212 | hi |
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18:51.46 | The_ManU_212 | i got the message that trash got its maximum size but the folder is empty, how to correct this? working as normal user |
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19:13.16 | Aknot | oh nvm i got it from country settings |
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19:20.39 | JZA | hi whats the name of the KDE control center executable? |
19:20.41 | JZA | kconfig? |
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19:22.25 | JZA | I am having issues understanding how to use the KDE screen dimensions of the activities |
19:22.58 | JZA | anyone knows |
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19:26.35 | JZA | anyone knows the name of the kde control center binary? |
19:26.43 | JZA | I need to execute it from the command line |
19:27.03 | JZA | or the binary to the KDE screen calibrator |
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19:35.47 | Mamarok | JZA: systemsettings? |
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19:42.44 | thiago | junkDawgie: kcontrol |
19:42.46 | thiago | oops |
19:42.49 | thiago | JZA: kcontrol |
19:42.58 | thiago | JZA: but it doesn't exist in KDE 4. It's just systemsettings in KDE 4. |
19:43.23 | JZA | actually systemsettings |
19:43.43 | JZA | worked |
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20:11.25 | toString | hi |
20:11.40 | toString | do you know if there's a be::shell irc channel? |
20:11.45 | toString | i googled with no lucj |
20:11.47 | toString | luck |
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21:13.11 | Aknot | HOw can i reinstall pulseaudio? |
21:14.14 | cb400f | talk to your distro about package management and such |
21:14.36 | cb400f | but generally reinstalling stuff on linux doesn't change anything... it's a ms windows hackish way of fixing things |
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21:15.52 | Aknot | but the wonderful popup which said " you are not using these pulseaudio output things do you want to delete them" i chose yes and now i dont have sound on vlc so i need to reinstall either pulseaudio or linux |
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21:24.35 | Zero_Angel | sorry i was afk |
21:24.46 | Zero_Angel | yeah it is renamed systemsettings, it would seem |
21:24.53 | Zero_Angel | it used to be kcontrol or ksystemsettings |
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21:47.46 | VaterGarp | Is it possible to find out the size of several marked emails in KMail? |
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21:50.23 | VaterGarp | I just saved them all as an mbox file and looked at the size, but is there any compression being done before saving? |
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22:19.07 | Kardos | just wanted to say, i love ksnapshot ;) i saved my first snapshot as "file1.png", then went to take a second, and it suggested "file2.png" -- kudos for being proactive :D |
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23:01.36 | FLHerne | Kardos: I love the builtin Imgur uploading :D |
23:01.53 | Kardos | oooh it has that too? :D |
23:02.41 | Kardos | ah not on my version |
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23:09.42 | FLHerne | Kardos: The version I have does, but I can't remember what that is :P |
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23:11.07 | alusion | I restarted my session |
23:11.09 | alusion | got a new panel |
23:11.13 | alusion | and it still has autohide issues |
23:11.15 | alusion | o_o |
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23:38.07 | gabriel9 | how to show newlines and tabs in kate? |
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23:48.37 | ovidiu-florin | hello world, which is the recommended application for kde to use for scanning? |
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