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09:06.43thechefWith kwin in compositing mode  I have the feeling that the frames are not as "recent" as without compositing, but I have the feeling it's not because of the additional buffer, because I can see on Ubuntu 10.04 with Gnome 2 and compositing enabled that if I move the a window with the mouse that the distance between the mouse and the location where I initially grabbed the window is lower. Are there syncing issues with kwin, or are client
09:06.44thechefapplications not asked to render at an appropriate moment (such as: the next scan will be then, please make sure you only render shortly before that time, so your frame is fresh enough)
09:07.04thechefmaybe that syncing doesn't work right anymore?
09:07.13thechefWhat kind of syncing is that by the way?
09:07.59thechefthere is vertical sync - which doesn't make sure the frame is as fresh as possible..
09:10.13Sho_thechef: you probably want to try and catch mgraesslin in #kwin some time
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09:15.11oneforall2how can I refresh kde to connect to the server with out exit and startx?
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09:43.09thechefSho_: thanks, will do that (or file a bug report)
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09:51.24mmh_hello,i am trying to open libkface(a cmake kde project) in qt-creator in my gentoo kde system but its not asking for any build directory but only cmakelists.txt file is getting open,what am i missing,how to open?i have kdepimlibs,qt-core and  cmake installed in my system
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10:39.43aditsuhi, what's the best way to use kde on a (convertible) tablet?
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10:40.26aditsuany tablet interface?
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10:45.17Mirrakoraditsu: There is a netbook interface afaik
10:46.10Mirrakoraditsu: looks something like this: http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.5/screenshots/plasma-netbook-sal.png
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10:49.00Sho_aditsu: Plasma Active
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10:51.34aditsuMirrakor: I've seen that, but I'm not sure if it's made with touch screens in mind
10:51.46aditsuSho_: is that a package that I can install or more like a separate distro?
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10:53.05Sho_aditsu: It's KDE's project to develop a Plasma workspace for tablets; it's packaged by several distros I guess but due to the high demands on integration the team, uniquely in KDE, also produces OS images
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10:58.33Mirrakoraditsu: I don't think it was designed with a touchscreen in mind (but rather with fewer, bigger symbols), but the project sho mentioned seems promising :-)
10:58.50MrSassyPantsI'm trying to make chrome my standard browser. I think xchat opens urls with "kfmclient exec" however what does get opened in the browser then is a file in /var/tmp/kdecache
10:59.34MrSassyPantsif anyone knows exactly what's wrong with xchat, feel free to elaborate, otherwise I'd like to know why kfmclient exec (or whatever is being run precisely) fails to open urls in place
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11:01.24Sho_Mirrakor, aditsu: Actually Plasma Netbook was designed to be touchscreen-compatible, but for Netbooks with touchscreens
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11:05.31aditsuI have a convertible notebook with touchscreen
11:06.27aditsubigger, higher res and more powerful than a netbook
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13:15.42Kalidarnwhere is the config file that stores the pinned items in the kickoff menu?
13:15.58Kalidarni assumed it was in .kde/share/config somewhere
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13:18.47Kalidarnoh looks like it is in kickoffrc
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13:23.17KhasHeya, can anyone recommend a good dock for kde?  AWN and Docky seem to want half of gnome to run :-(
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13:26.47KalidarnKhas: besides docky is unstable :P
13:26.58KhasAh, that's good to know XD
13:27.10Kalidarnone of the things i actually like about kicker is that it doesn't crash all the time
13:27.30Kalidarnpersonally i gave away using third party docks, because they used to crash
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13:28.11Kalidarnand to be honest docks really are not a good feature copied from MacoSX.
13:28.30Kalidarnthey take up a lot of room, and don't really do all that much
13:28.51KhasI just want rid of the taskbar.
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13:29.16KhasI used to replace it on windows with independent docks for various things in various corners
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13:56.14BluesKajHey all
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13:58.06Kalidarnhmm, if i wanted to make kde's desktop effects disabled on startup, what config would I need to look at
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13:58.25mbnoimiWhy most linux distros prefer Gnome over KDE?
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13:58.41tsimpsonKalidarn: system settings -> desktop effects
13:58.42Kalidarnspecifcally "Enable desktop effects at startup" is what im looking for
13:58.46Kalidarnwhere that is stored
13:58.54Kalidarnmbnoimi: i wouldn't say most do
13:59.05Kalidarnthe redhat ones basically use gnome because they own it
13:59.07KhasKalidarn: desktop effects -> "Enable desktop effects at startup"
13:59.17Khastsimpson: damn, beat me to it XD
13:59.20Kalidarnand ubuntu now is moving away from gnome (unity, is going to not have any gnome deps)
13:59.24mbnoimiKalidarn: but ubuntu left it forever
13:59.42tsimpsonunity uses gnome
13:59.48Kalidarnyes but it won't soon
13:59.56Kalidarnthey are removing their dependency on it
13:59.57tsimpsonreferences?
14:00.07Kalidarni was reading about it on phoronix, in future releases they plan to
14:00.14Kalidarnbecause some parts of it use gnome 2 dependencies.
14:00.32mbnoimitsimpson: exactly for that I'm woindering why most of them don't prefer KDE although most of them planned to leave Gnome?!
14:00.36tsimpsonI can see them removing gnome2 stuff, but not gnome
14:00.47Kalidarngnome 3 is too unstable to be useful, seems to be the general consensus.
14:00.59tsimpsonso was KDE 4.0
14:01.03Kalidarni also have found gnome/unity to be lacking in configuration, I can never have things just how i like them
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14:01.14Kalidarntsimpson: that's very true, but that was a long time ago
14:01.22Kalidarni think at that point i was using xfce
14:01.33tsimpsonno that long, and it took KDE a few releases to become stable
14:01.48Kalidarnabout 4.5+ is when KDE got actually good
14:02.02Kalidarnand now it's pretty rock solid, i haven't had something crash on me in a very long time
14:02.52KalidarnKhas: tsimpson yes i know where the option is, i want to know where the value is stored, ie what config it's likely to be in
14:02.57BluesKajKalidarn, if you disable desktop effects , they will stay disabled as long as you use the default settings in session management in startup and shutdown
14:03.05KhasKalidarn: oh you mean config -file-.
14:03.09Kalidarnyes
14:03.34tsimpson~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
14:03.38Kalidarnah :D
14:03.43tsimpsonunder [Compositing
14:03.49Kalidarnso i was right
14:03.50tsimpsonEnabled=true/false
14:03.57Kalidarnyep :D
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14:04.43Kalidarni'd grepped my kde dir and found that update_info variable ;)
14:05.13Kalidarni actually like how KDE keeps things in human readable form
14:05.34tsimpsonwell, it's just INI format
14:05.49Kalidarnyeah.
14:06.21Kalidarnbut it could be like gnome where you have to use gconf-editor
14:06.24tsimpsonit's not entirely human-readable though
14:06.27Kalidarnwhich would be annoying ;)
14:06.34Kalidarnyeah the state is base64 by the looks of it
14:06.38Kalidarnstate in dolphinrc
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14:07.07tsimpsonhave a look at krunnerrc too
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14:07.27Kalidarnbut i already found that the state in that base64 encoded value stores what panels are open
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14:09.20Kalidarnone thing i didn't see in dolphinrc is a value for the "view" and whether hidden files are visible.
14:09.59Kalidarnah that's in kdeglobals
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14:17.09Kalidarnmbnoimi although one thing i have noticed the majority of "gnome" distributions still use GNOME 2
14:17.22Kalidarni think fedora is basically the only thing on GNOME 3 at the moment.
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14:19.06AL13Ndoes anyone what programs/libs i need for a device notifier and if something needs to be running
14:19.45AL13Ni have knotify running if that's what i need
14:24.56cb400fudisks? kded4?
14:25.16cb400fbut really.. you need to talk to your distro if basic stuff is not in place and working
14:26.38cb400fand of course you need to have the device notifier widget in the panel, desktop or systray ;-)
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14:34.28mbnoimiKalidarn: indeed this is another issue but why they don't use KDE itself?! KDE has tons of feature make it better than Gnome specially for Desktop usage
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14:36.39AL13Ncb400f: i'm using the development side of the distro, and i didn't install full kde, just only what i need
14:36.54AL13Ncb400f: i'm trying to get a device notifier applet, but i have no idea how to get one
14:37.10AL13Ncb400f: udisks is installed, does it need to have some kind of service running?
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14:40.04cb400fAL13N: yeah, there's a deamon thingy
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14:42.16AL13Ncb400f: any idea what it's called
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14:42.58cb400fon my system it's udisks-daemon .. but I'm not on udisks2 yet, so..
14:43.22cb400fand I'm sure RH changed the name, if nothing else just for the sake of changing something
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14:44.05AL13Ni have udisks2
14:44.06cb400fhmm.. or maybe I am.. I have both udisks and udisks2 installed actually
14:44.13AL13Nhmm, both?
14:44.36cb400fthey should be parallel installable.. cuz of course udisks2 is not backwards compatible
14:45.12AL13Nic
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14:46.28cb400fat least RH showed the good will of making them parallel instalable so there wouldn't be total breakage everywhere
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14:47.00cb400fwhen they decided udisks needed to be completely rewritten from scratch after what 1-2 years of existence?
14:47.23cb400fI guess they didn't learn enough from hal and devicekit to get the design right the third time either
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14:47.31cb400fstops trolling
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14:59.57AknotI donwloaded the caledonia colours thing. Where do i have to put it?
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15:09.05cb400fAknot: what is it? .. a kde colour scheme (*.colors file)?
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15:13.01Aknotyes
15:13.54cb400fjust use systemsettings -> application appearance -> colors  to import it
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15:18.12Aknotcan i delete the file afterwards?
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15:25.50AL13Nudisks2 doesn't have any kind of daemon thing
15:26.16AL13Ndoes udisks-daemon get started from kde login?
15:26.22AL13Nor is it something systemwise
15:26.23cb400fAknot: I should think so.. think "import" means it's copied to somewhere in ~/.kde/  ... but you can just try moving it first
15:26.52cb400fAL13N: I think it's tied to udev
15:27.49AL13Nsystemd seems to have started something udisks2 related
15:28.01AL13Nso maybe i just need the systray thingie now
15:29.10AL13Nkdebase4-workspace seems to have devicenotifier stuff
15:29.16AL13Nmaybe i need to somehow start it
15:29.19cb400ffor starters just try dragging the device notifier widget to the desktop
15:29.19AL13Nwhen i log in?
15:29.28shumskiAL13N: and what is your issue?
15:29.46AL13Ni don't have a device notifier systray icon
15:30.18cb400fis it available in the systray settinsg under "entries"?
15:33.02shumskiAL13N: unless -DWITH_SOLID_UDISKS2=TRUE is passed to kdelibs, KDE is using udisks, not udisks2
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15:34.07AL13Nic
15:34.23AL13Nsystray settings, that's another thing i can check
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15:41.25AL13Nok, it seems i had to enable device notifier there, and that made it work
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15:41.43AL13Ntoo bad the autostart patch didn't work
15:42.14AL13Nbut that's another matter entirely
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15:57.45fedeHi, I cannot set the clock automatically. What can be the problem?
15:58.52cb400fsome kind of ntp related problem.. just set up ntp using another tool than the clock widget
15:59.09fedehow can I do that?
15:59.17cb400fdepends on your distro
15:59.21fedeI'm using arch
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15:59.44cb400fthen search the web 'arch ntp daemon' or similar
15:59.52fedeok, thanks
16:00.08tsimpsonthe ntp stuff usually requires root access
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16:00.34cb400fyeah, prolly some policykit mess or similar
16:00.48cb400fpeople constantly report probs setting up ntp via the kde clock widget
16:01.42tsimpsonwell setting the system clock is a privileged action
16:01.56fedeI had that problem in opensuse also
16:02.25cb400fsure, but opensuse has a nice yast module for ntp, so why would you use a plasma widget for it anyway ;-)
16:02.40fedeI did have access to set up the timezone and hour, but every time I loged in the time restarted
16:04.20tsimpsonI have a cron job for ntp, took it with me for years
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16:06.33fedeI didn't have any problems before, with other distributions
16:06.49fedeEven with arch, on a previous kde version
16:08.18fedewell... I installed ntp
16:08.40fedenow I can see the option on the gui, but it cannot connect to ntp server
16:11.23fedebueno, parece que lo resolví agregando el timezone al rc.conf
16:11.30fedesorry
16:11.34fedeenglish
16:11.53fedeI solved it adding timezone to rc.conf
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16:12.11fedeI hope it's ok when I restart the machine
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16:25.16Aknotcan i set application launcher to right mouse click?
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16:40.57fedeanother problem I'm having is the audio. When I'm reproducing something from clementine, or from the web, vlc can't access the sound
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16:41.54fedeIt's like the system can't handle two audio tasks at the same time
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16:42.10fedeI'm missing some libraries?
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16:42.41fedeIt happens even if one of the media is paused
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16:43.31Inkanefede: are you using pulseaudio?
16:44.02fedeyes, I think so
16:44.47Inkanefede: do you have veromix installed?
16:45.21fedeno, it's a plasma applet right?
16:46.12Inkanefede: yes, it is
16:46.34fedelet me install ir
16:46.51Inkaneit is not really needed, but it handes pulseaudio better than kmix (prior to 4.10 at least) and might show some information
16:46.51fedethat should solve the problem?
16:47.00fedeah, ok
16:47.20remusAknot: yes, right click desktop (if you haven't altered that settings) choose default desktop settings or similar and mouse actions
16:47.26fedeI'm using kmix 4.2
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16:52.06fedeinkane, no it didn't solve the problem
16:52.30fedeAnother strange thing, when I change the volume on vlc the system volume change instead
16:52.44Inkanefede: if you click on veromix, does it show seperate  sliders?
16:52.57Inkaneabout vlc: I think that is intended by vlc
16:53.07Inkaneat least it has done this here since some versions
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16:53.16Inkaneand no, I don't think that this is intuitive
16:54.07fedeyes, but the audio isn't workin on vlc
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16:55.00Inkanefede: which version of pulseaudio and which phonon backend are you using?
16:55.18fedepulse 3.0, backend vlc
16:56.04Inkanefede: I'm not really sure what is going wrong an your side, but could you try if it works with phonon-gstreamer?
16:56.56fedeok, let me try
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16:58.51fedeno, still not working
16:59.43Inkanefede: sorry, no idea what else could affect it then
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17:01.32fedeWhen I start sound configuration I get the error message of default alsa eliminated
17:01.57fedeDo you wish kde forget this devices?
17:02.03fedethis is the question
17:02.19fedeor something like that, I'm using spanish version
17:03.15fedealso, if I'm using dragon player for exmple, and try to play music on clementine or amarok, I get a message that the program can't access the device beacuse some other program is using it
17:03.35Inkanefede: you might want to check the multimedia settings in systemsettings
17:03.46fedeIt's strange, never happened to me before, I guess I'm missing something in the installation
17:03.58Inkaneand there, under the Phonon tab, check the device order
17:05.23fedeI only have one
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17:05.27fedeinternal analog device
17:06.55Inkanefede: that sounds wrong when using pulse. There should be pulseaudio server as a device afaik
17:07.49fedemmm
17:07.54fedeshould I install something?
17:07.59fedeno idea what
17:08.20Inkanefede: neither have I. Maybe ask in your distribution channel/forum?
17:08.59fedeyes, I'm doing that
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17:09.40fedewhen I run pulseaudio on the terminal I get this
17:09.41fede<PROTECTED>
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17:14.32fedewell, I think I solved it installing alsa-pulseaudio plugins
17:15.30fedenow I can play both at the same time
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17:16.35fedeAnd now vlc doesn't control the system volume
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17:18.47fedethanks for your help inkane
17:18.55Inkaneyour welcome
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17:25.17peaceblasterRunning KDE on Slackware 14.0, and iwconfig recognizes my wifi card, but KDE's network manager does not. I've installed wicd, and set system settings > information sources to wicd, but it is still not recognized
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17:34.53AristideHi !
17:35.11AristideI have a small question : How change « right click » action on desktop ?
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17:40.16InkaneAristide: right click on the desktop, choose settings from the menu, and set it in mouse actions
17:41.00peaceblasterRunning KDE on Slackware 14.0, and iwconfig recognizes my wifi card, but KDE's network manager does not. I've installed wicd, and set system settings > information sources to wicd, but it is still not recognized
17:42.06AristideInkane: Sorry but I don't find setting
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17:42.44React0Shi!
17:42.54AristideHi React0S :)
17:42.55React0Shttp://rekonq.kde.org/ is it portable to windows?
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17:43.03InkaneAristide: the actual name will differ from language to language, but it  should be the last entry of the menu
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17:43.45InkaneAristide:  if you have standard keybindings, pressing alt+d, then alt+s might work also
17:43.47AristideInkane: Is not last entry on menu :(
17:44.01InkaneAristide: what is your last entry?
17:44.24AristideInkane: « Aide » (help)
17:44.40AristideAlt+S call krunner and ALT+D do nothing :(
17:45.06InkaneAristide: have you pressed alt+d before alt+s?
17:45.11Inkanethat is necessary
17:45.22Inkanealso, desktop must have focus
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17:45.36AristideYeah
17:45.41AristideThank you :)
17:46.01React0SAristide: http://rekonq.kde.org/ is it portable to windows?
17:46.26AristideReact0S: I don't know I don't use/like Windows
17:46.53React0Swhere can i ask about?
17:47.01React0Swho knows?
17:47.46InkaneReact0S: it is probably possible; e.g.: http://lpapp.blogspot.de/2012/09/randa-rekonq-installer-for-windows.html
17:47.58InkaneReact0S:  I think there is kde-windows
17:48.26React0Swohooooo!
17:48.29React0Sthanks
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17:49.55Zero_AngelI wonder if it would be themable to windows. The 'KDE for Windows' suite comes with ksystemsettings which lets you change your KDE (and perhaps QT) apps to use a theme that integrates well with windows
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17:50.32Zero_Angelhttp://zeroangel.overminddl1.com/misc_images/kate-win.png -- Kate on Windows 7 <3
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17:53.55Zero_Angelwas happy to find out that Kate worked on Win7. The other 'killer' KDE app in my opinion would be K3B but I imagine that one would have problems since it needs to interface with the windows kernel and drivers
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18:21.42alusionHey guys for some reason
18:21.46alusionmy panel won't autohide..
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18:32.34ompaulalusion: what did you try to make it happen
18:32.40ompaulalusion: and what version of kde
18:33.09alusionHmm the latest I believe
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18:33.31alusionIt was autohiding before
18:33.34alusionthen it just stopped
18:33.47ompaulclick on help and choose about kde
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18:34.22alusion4.9.5
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18:35.37ompauland you right clicked on the panel and chose ->  panel options -> panel settings -> more settings
18:35.44alusionyeaa
18:35.59ompaulhave you logged out and back in since happened?
18:36.05alusionyes
18:36.10ompaulin case it was something stupid in the session
18:36.13alusionit's persistent
18:36.42alusionI can log out and back in now to be safe
18:36.43alusionbrb
18:37.09ompaulset up a new user see if it happens for them - if it does then you have an issue with your own personal settings
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18:41.27alusionfixed..
18:41.28alusiono_o
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18:47.19Zero_Angelrelogging fixed the issue?
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18:51.46The_ManU_212i got the message that trash got its maximum size but the folder is empty, how to correct this? working as normal user
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19:11.11Aknotis there any way to fix the date/time bug? when trying to switch to "set time automatically" it crashes. I live in europe and dont like having 12 hour am/pm clock
19:13.16Aknotoh nvm i got it from country settings
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19:20.39JZAhi whats the name of the KDE control center executable?
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19:22.58JZAanyone knows
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19:26.35JZAanyone knows the name of the kde control center binary?
19:26.43JZAI need to execute it from the command line
19:27.03JZAor the binary to the KDE screen calibrator
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19:35.47MamarokJZA: systemsettings?
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19:42.44thiagojunkDawgie: kcontrol
19:42.46thiagooops
19:42.49thiagoJZA: kcontrol
19:42.58thiagoJZA: but it doesn't exist in KDE 4. It's just systemsettings in KDE 4.
19:43.23JZAactually systemsettings
19:43.43JZAworked
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20:11.25toStringhi
20:11.40toStringdo you know if there's a be::shell irc channel?
20:11.45toStringi googled with no lucj
20:11.47toStringluck
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21:13.11AknotHOw can i reinstall pulseaudio?
21:14.14cb400ftalk to your distro about package management and such
21:14.36cb400fbut generally reinstalling stuff on linux doesn't change anything... it's a ms windows hackish way of fixing things
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21:15.52Aknotbut the wonderful popup which said " you are not using these pulseaudio output things do you want to delete them" i chose yes and now i dont have sound on vlc so i need to reinstall either pulseaudio or linux
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21:24.35Zero_Angelsorry i was afk
21:24.46Zero_Angelyeah it is renamed systemsettings, it would seem
21:24.53Zero_Angelit used to be kcontrol or ksystemsettings
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21:47.46VaterGarpIs it possible to find out the size of several marked emails in KMail?
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21:50.23VaterGarpI just saved them all as an mbox file and looked at the size, but is there any compression being done before saving?
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22:19.07Kardosjust wanted to say, i love ksnapshot ;) i saved my first snapshot as "file1.png", then went to take a second, and it suggested "file2.png" -- kudos for being proactive :D
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23:01.36FLHerneKardos: I love the builtin Imgur uploading :D
23:01.53Kardosoooh it has that too? :D
23:02.41Kardosah not on my version
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23:09.42FLHerneKardos: The version I have does, but I can't remember what that is :P
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23:11.07alusionI restarted my session
23:11.09alusiongot a new panel
23:11.13alusionand it still has autohide issues
23:11.15alusiono_o
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23:48.37ovidiu-florinhello world, which is the recommended application for kde to use for scanning?
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