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| 00:46.17 | peaceblaster | Problem... I appear to have no menu editor |
| 00:47.38 | peaceblaster | nevermind, found it |
| 00:47.39 | peaceblaster | sorry |
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| 06:20.53 | mapyth | hello everyone. Can anyone help me in finding active pastable locations in the current session? |
| 06:20.53 | mapyth | Like where you can paste items from the clipboard? |
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| 06:39.58 | arkascha | Any maintainer of the KDE:Extra OBS repository around? The calibre packages are uninstallable. |
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| 08:16.29 | Wyatt | I want to restart Konsole and have it preserve my session. Is this possible without logging out? |
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| 08:20.04 | Verge | Use screen |
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| 08:22.48 | Wyatt | Wrong answer. |
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| 08:24.24 | Verge | What is "preserving session with logging out" then |
| 08:25.10 | Wyatt | When I log out and log back in all six windows and twenty-nine tabs are restored with the correct cwd. |
| 08:25.55 | Wyatt | But logging out is annoying when all I really want is to reclaim the memory konsole is leaking. |
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| 08:41.43 | suy | Wyatt: clear the scrollback? seems like you are doing intensive use |
| 08:41.58 | Wyatt | suy: Doesn't change a thing. Tried that. |
| 08:43.21 | Wyatt | As I mentioned earlier, I did a little valgrinding and it looks like it could possibly be UIM related, but it's a slow leak and I can't afford to have my terminal pegging my CPU for a week to find out. |
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| 08:45.31 | suy | And unfortunately it could be useless with valgrind. If the memory is not leaked when konsole terminates, I think is not going to report it. :-( |
| 08:46.15 | suy | There was a blog post about that on planet kde about that: memory consumption in kmail that only went down when the app finished. |
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| 08:48.32 | Wyatt | Well yeah. The kernel releases everything the process doesn't clean up on its own. |
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| 08:52.17 | suy | I though that wasn't the case. I think is the properly parented QObject that will free the memory if properly allocated. |
| 08:53.03 | Wyatt | I mean, after the atexit() functions are called. Or whatever the C++ equivalent is. |
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| 08:56.03 | remus | Kmail: When I create an folder to my imap accout it isn't shown. Why is that? When I go accout settings - advanded settings - server subsribes (i've allowed them) it's listed there and other mail clients show them properly. |
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| 08:59.28 | remus | now it's not even showing inbox -folder I've created :( |
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| 09:01.14 | remus | ah nvm the latter. it just swapped imap and Local folders for some reason.but still can't see folders I created to imap |
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| 09:13.05 | hussam | anyone knows any cd burning application other than the aging k3b? |
| 09:13.30 | Wyatt | Is k3b not working? |
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| 09:15.26 | Verge | I had to go for K3b on Gnome because Brasero was crap |
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| 09:29.03 | hussam | ok, getting k3b then |
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| 09:30.34 | Wyatt | (I'm not sure how k3b's age would have anything to do with its quality... :/) |
| 09:31.22 | Verge | The GUI is quite oldish |
| 09:31.31 | Wyatt | And? |
| 09:31.35 | Verge | It's like a Windows XP file manager |
| 09:31.55 | Wyatt | Sort of like optical media, then. |
| 09:32.40 | Wyatt | But there's something to be said for not reinventing the wheel just because. |
| 09:32.55 | Verge | Making apps usable is not reinventing the wheel |
| 09:33.42 | Wyatt | Can you make it usable without introducing regressions and throwing an entire established userbase out into the snow without warning? |
| 09:33.53 | Verge | Dunno |
| 09:34.20 | Verge | What I know is one established user just came to ask if there's anything better than legacy |
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| 09:35.31 | Wyatt | Is that because there's something wrong with it or because it hasn't been updated lately, though? Is it "legacy" or "stable"? |
| 09:36.02 | Wyatt | And that's not necessarily a rhetorical question. I don't know the answer to it. |
| 09:36.03 | Verge | Nowadays it's not only about making things tick |
| 09:36.06 | Verge | They need to look decent too |
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| 09:36.30 | Verge | Which we of course know for being here in #kde |
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| 09:37.08 | Verge | Your question is also embarrassed by the fact KDE devs are breaking features all the time to transition to QML |
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| 09:39.16 | Wyatt | At least QML brings some sanity to plasma and prevents some leaky, broken UI code. |
| 09:39.52 | Wyatt | But appearance isn't strongly coupled to interaction design. |
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| 09:53.41 | JackWinter | for years klipper has autostarted (for me) on each kde start, it no longer does so since some time back. any idea why? |
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| 10:03.02 | JackyAlcine | JackWinter: is it in your panel? |
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| 10:03.15 | JackyAlcine | it doesn't have an autostart function, typically it'd be in your panel |
| 10:03.28 | JackyAlcine | since plasma starts up early, klipper would be started as well. |
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| 10:14.15 | JackWinter | JackyAlcine: no it always was, but after booting i don't see it, once started the icon is there, and the entire history too (from before launching klipper manually too) |
| 10:14.43 | JackyAlcine | do you use the System Tray applet? |
| 10:15.13 | JackyAlcine | actually, wait, no. hold on, lemme do some digging. |
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| 10:17.05 | JackyAlcine | Try adding it to your startup session. |
| 10:17.26 | JackyAlcine | System Settings > Startup and Shutdown > Autostart |
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| 10:26.54 | JackWinter | JackyAlcine: yeah, i'll do that. i'm talking about the system tray... but gotta run now, so will check it when i get back. was just suprised since all the years i've used kde, i've never had to add it to System Settings > Startup and Shutdown > Autostart |
| 10:27.06 | JackyAlcine | np |
| 10:27.09 | JackyAlcine | alright |
| 10:27.11 | JackyAlcine | ping me if needed |
| 10:27.14 | JackyAlcine | i'll be here |
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| 10:28.41 | JackyAlcine | remus: #akonadi |
| 10:29.34 | JackyAlcine | Verge: propse a new UI, then. |
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| 11:11.41 | omeringen | Hi. . . is there any known issues about catalyst-legacy drivers and KDE 4.10 RC ? i am getting crashes about "OpenGL compositing (the default) has crashed KWin" |
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| 11:20.49 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 11:34.34 | omeringen | i couldn't find anything at bugzilla |
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| 11:46.22 | remus | omeringen: did you only updrade kde, not your distro? |
| 11:46.37 | omeringen | i'm on archlinux |
| 11:46.40 | omeringen | :) |
| 11:47.00 | omeringen | testing KDE 4.10 |
| 11:47.06 | omeringen | kde-stable is fine bTw. . . |
| 11:47.22 | omeringen | so there should be something new about kwin |
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| 11:48.24 | omeringen | and i don't want to switch back to open source drivers, they suck at gaming |
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| 11:54.41 | Mamarok | omeringen: you mean KDE 4.10 final? That shouldn't be out |
| 11:55.04 | omeringen | Mamarok: i am talking about RC build of 4.10 |
| 11:55.08 | Mamarok | OK |
| 11:55.16 | omeringen | is there any seperate channel for unstable ? |
| 11:55.44 | Mamarok | for KDE? No |
| 11:55.48 | omeringen | ok |
| 11:56.06 | Mamarok | but for testers, yes: #kde-quality |
| 11:56.23 | Mamarok | just don't report bugs there, those need to go to bugs.kde.org |
| 11:56.57 | omeringen | hmm, i just wanted someone to confirm this behaviour |
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| 11:57.17 | Mamarok | confirm which behavior? |
| 11:57.41 | omeringen | catalyst-legacy makes kwin to crash everytime |
| 11:57.50 | omeringen | not sure if this is only me |
| 11:57.53 | Mamarok | ah, I don't know |
| 11:57.57 | Mamarok | I don't use that |
| 11:58.32 | Mamarok | but reporting bugs with debugging symbols enabled would be good, only you are on Arch, so you would need to recompile |
| 11:58.32 | mgraesslin | omeringen: don't use it, use radeon |
| 11:58.45 | omeringen | mgraesslin: open source drivers SUCK at gaming |
| 11:58.47 | mgraesslin | Mamarok: no use for Catalyst |
| 11:58.57 | Mamarok | mgraesslin: good to know, thanks |
| 11:59.23 | mgraesslin | omeringen: disable blur |
| 12:00.18 | Mamarok | omeringen: the radeon driver is really superior to the Catalyst on I remember from my previous laptop |
| 12:00.25 | Mamarok | one* |
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| 12:00.40 | svuorela | but apparantly opensource sucks for laming :P |
| 12:00.43 | omeringen | well, i can't even play quake live with open source drivers |
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| 12:03.58 | omeringen | anyway gonna switch back to kde 4.9 thanks for the answers ;) |
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| 12:22.06 | Zordrak | KDE-4.5.5, Anyone know how to resolve Firefox not showing an icon on its launcher? |
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| 12:24.32 | Mamarok | Zordrak: you are using a totally outdated KDE, do you know that? |
| 12:24.43 | Mamarok | current is 4.9.5, adn we are about to release 4.10. |
| 12:25.18 | Zordrak | Mamarok: Slackware-14.0 |
| 12:25.23 | Zordrak | Mamarok: Stable |
| 12:25.27 | Mamarok | that's not an excuse :) |
| 12:25.46 | Mamarok | stable, like Debain and Slackware do is for servers, not for end users |
| 12:25.51 | Mamarok | Debian* |
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| 12:30.17 | Zordrak | Mamarok: You are not correctly informed. |
| 12:30.50 | Zordrak | Mamarok: Slackware is simply hesitent to stay with latest KDE until it has proven a stable version and then releases to it |
| 12:30.59 | Mamarok | I don't care how they market it, it is stupid to force end users to use outdated software |
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| 12:31.01 | Zordrak | -current is not intended for produxtion use |
| 12:31.10 | Zordrak | It's not a force.. it's a choice |
| 12:31.29 | Mamarok | Zordrak: sorry, but "latest" and 4.5.x is like several years apart, so that is a very bad excuse |
| 12:31.34 | Zordrak | 4.5.5 is fine, i simply have one minor issue that's no more than an irritant, however I would like to attempt to resolve it |
| 12:31.57 | Mamarok | the you are on your own, as we don't do backports to outdated releases |
| 12:32.00 | Zordrak | I am not interested in a distro flamewar.. just a little assistance with an easily reproducable problem with a piece of software |
| 12:32.07 | Mamarok | ask slackware then |
| 12:32.37 | Mamarok | we don't give support for such old releases, if the distro ships this as stable they have the responsability to maitnain it |
| 12:32.44 | Mamarok | maintain* |
| 12:33.08 | Mamarok | but 4.5.x is so very far away from what we consider stable that it almost hurts |
| 12:33.18 | Zordrak | The problem is with KDE. Do you understand that I can fix the problem myself if I can find out where it is going wrong, and given that this is a problem with KDE that will have had to be fixed as KDE was updated, someone knows how to resolve the problem, or at least what causes it |
| 12:33.44 | Mamarok | no, the problem is not KDE, as Firefox is not a KDE app |
| 12:33.49 | Mamarok | you are asking the wrong people |
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| 12:35.01 | Zordrak | Mamarok: Can you please either choose to be helpful or choose to be quiet? I have asked a very simple question and if someone can provide assistance I would appreciate their response. I have no interest in responses that are nothing but self-serving pedestal-sitting abuse for the sake of boredom. |
| 12:36.42 | Mamarok | oh but I am not bored, I just tell you how it is: we do not support KDE 4.5 and Firefox is not a KDE app |
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| 12:37.25 | Mamarok | if you choose to use outdated software then you have to live with it, but blaming us on something that we didn't do is just lame |
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| 12:39.34 | Zordrak | Mamarok: Done? kthxbye. |
| 12:40.36 | Aristide | I have a question :) |
| 12:40.41 | Aristide | How many developers work on KDE ? |
| 12:40.53 | Mamarok | Aristide: define KDE :) |
| 12:41.25 | Mamarok | Aristide: KDE is not a product, but a community, you mean KDE SC? |
| 12:41.25 | Aristide | Mamarok: Plasma Desktop, Kate, Dolphin, Nepomuk ... |
| 12:41.28 | Wyatt | Could you possibly be more condescending? |
| 12:41.30 | Aristide | Yes |
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| 12:43.13 | Aristide | Mamarok: Yes KDE SC :3 |
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| 12:43.59 | Mamarok | Aristide: I don't know, but there are several hundred active developer accounts on identity.kde.org |
| 12:44.05 | Aristide | Ok |
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| 13:11.33 | lainlives | hmmm i wish yakuake could display on all screens simultaneously |
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| 13:13.43 | Sho_ | lainlives: do you mean physical screens or virtual desktops? |
| 13:13.52 | lainlives | physical screens |
| 13:14.06 | lainlives | i seen its virtual desktop features :D |
| 13:14.12 | Sho_ | lainlives: kwin can probably do that on wayland in the future |
| 13:14.34 | mgraesslin | nah, doesn't make much sense |
| 13:14.41 | mgraesslin | screens might have different sizes |
| 13:15.21 | lainlives | screens of different sizes makes even less sense :P |
| 13:15.33 | Sho_ | mgraesslin: I just thought since the windows are coordinate-space oblivious implementing a comp manager-level window clone mode would be a lot esier |
| 13:15.49 | Sho_ | mgraesslin: less app level behavior to fight against |
| 13:15.53 | lainlives | well a 'clone' mode isnt really all that needed |
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| 13:16.04 | mgraesslin | sure it's possible to do that in the compositor, just saying it doesn't make sense |
| 13:16.20 | lainlives | actually, a mode to default to split mode display would be nice instead |
| 13:16.22 | Sho_ | lainlives: if you actually want separate windows that's different from "displaying on all screens" |
| 13:16.24 | Tuju | any idea why the plasma microblogging plasmoid has stopped working after kde update? |
| 13:16.25 | Sho_ | be specific, man! ;) |
| 13:16.54 | Tuju | i'm not surprised that some KDE update fucks up working features but now i'm interested in this particular one. |
| 13:17.51 | Wyatt | Is there a way to turn off the window "stickiness", so when I e.g. open a video it doesn't open up to maximum horizontal on my left monitor and then become huge when I move it over to my main? |
| 13:17.56 | Tuju | previously it didn't authenticate regardless did you enter the password or not (i guess it didn't save it somewhere) but now it only shows one "tweet", {} and that's all. |
| 13:18.20 | Sho_ | Wyatt: yeah, see the screen edges settings |
| 13:18.38 | Tuju | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons/+bug/760668 was the 'password bug' |
| 13:21.25 | Wyatt | Sho_: Pardon, what am I looking for here? |
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| 13:22.28 | Sho_ | Wyatt: nvm ... I thought the "preserve maximization state during screen-to-screen drags" was a side-effect of drag-title-bar-to-screen-edge-to-maximize, but it turns out that's not the case |
| 13:22.43 | Wyatt | Crap. |
| 13:23.05 | Sho_ | Wyatt: you want a "restore when crossing screen boundary" behavior which i guess would actually be an _addition_ and might be possible with scripting *looks at mgraesslin* |
| 13:23.11 | Wyatt | Because the video thing is relatively minor. But there are a lot of other cases where it's bit me. |
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| 13:24.29 | tluebking | Wyatt: I assume the core problem is that windows start up maximized because their original size is beyond the screensize (on the screen they appear on)? |
| 13:24.43 | Wyatt | I don't necessarily even object to preserving maximisation. I don't like that the WM is _choosing_ that state without my consent |
| 13:25.02 | lainlives | what does the focus option 'seperate screen focus' actually do, im not noticing much of a difference, and no usuable google results |
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| 13:26.29 | tluebking | lainlives: if you got more than one screen at cycle around by alt+tab you'll always stay on the current screen with this setting. Otherwise you'll cycle through all windows |
| 13:26.58 | Wyatt | tluebking: That's often when it happens, but the problem is more about surprising side effects of ordinary actions. |
| 13:27.13 | lainlives | hmm it must require a logout or something |
| 13:27.17 | lainlives | or its busted xD |
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| 13:28.12 | manitu | tluebking: hi |
| 13:28.38 | manitu | i'm gabriel |
| 13:28.54 | tluebking | Wyatt: it's a kludge because KMainWindow does not save it's maximization state - otherwise there's no side effect, rather withdrawing the maximization state for altering the screen would be, yesno? |
| 13:29.12 | tluebking | manitu: GWerner, i assume? |
| 13:29.21 | manitu | yes :) |
| 13:29.28 | tluebking | lainlives: looks actually broken |
| 13:29.33 | lainlives | whoa there are some trippy task switcher modes |
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| 13:31.01 | tluebking | that's what probably broke that particular setting - we keep still the setting around and it will likely still have impact when selecting the next active window when you close the active one, but that will likely be the only relevance left |
| 13:31.30 | Wyatt | tluebking: I would say a new mplayer window shouldn't technically _have_ a maximisation state. Starting an application is normal. Having it conditionally maximise in some/all directions depending on what screen it opens on with no visual indication is surprising. |
| 13:31.56 | lainlives | i dont think i understand the problem Wyatt is having |
| 13:32.12 | tluebking | manitu: it's not "know" (i actually rewrote a broadcast chat for in-house usage and a ssl chat for point to point communication) - it's more i don't like the weird talk-a-cross :-) |
| 13:33.25 | tluebking | Wyatt: yes, that's the mentioned kludge - i think it can be relaxed (by checking for a precise oversize to set the maximization state and otherwise just constrain size) |
| 13:33.39 | Wyatt | lainlives: Left screen is 1024x1280; right is 1920x1080. Opening a 1280x720 video that spawns its window on the left (as mplayer2 is wont to do for some reason) results in a scaled video maximised horizontally. |
| 13:33.51 | tluebking | regular fix cannot occur in KDE 4 - libs is frozen, no feature commits |
| 13:34.27 | Wyatt | tluebking: But this is a bug (kwin, I'm assuming) that should be filed, yes? |
| 13:34.59 | tluebking | It's not a bug, it's a workaround for a KMainWindow defect which exists since ages (KDE2?) |
| 13:35.14 | lainlives | err i have no such issues, but i use VLC and soemtimes dragon player not sure if thats why or not |
| 13:35.30 | tluebking | We know it exists and once KMainWindow restores this attribute, we just remove the code fraction |
| 13:35.52 | Wyatt | tluebking: Relevant bug so I can add myself to CC? |
| 13:36.13 | tluebking | until then there's nothing that can be done (except for seeking to weaken the impact, KMainWindow goes by 1px > workspace dimensions) |
| 13:36.18 | Wyatt | lainlives: Are they spawning windows that would be wider than your current resolution? |
| 13:37.25 | lainlives | Wyatt: never, but i /do/ have same rez monitors too |
| 13:37.47 | lainlives | i get wonky things happen on any os with different size monitors, so i put an end to that lol |
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| 13:38.35 | tluebking | first occurence: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51571 =) |
| 13:38.55 | Wyatt | tluebking: So if I understand what you're saying, it's because the window only stores dimensions and desktop, not exact position and maximise state, so the state is set based on the dimensions and the desktop it starts on? |
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| 13:39.21 | Wyatt | lainlives: Programming with at least one vertical monitor is much more pleasant. |
| 13:39.27 | lainlives | i just found an amazing feature im surprised i overlooked earlier 'task switcher per screen filtering' |
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| 13:40.51 | tluebking | the window actually only stores dimensions per desktop dimension. kwin will maximize a window if it exceeds the available area for that direction (because kmainwindow stores (desktopsize + 1)) |
| 13:41.18 | Wyatt | Seems like something that would be pretty easy to fix. :/ |
| 13:41.50 | tluebking | to relax you: i don't like that behavior at all - caused some weird other bugs (code fraction order is important ...) |
| 13:41.51 | lainlives | i cant ever seem to make konqueror respond properly to tabbing, new links always open in new windows :\ |
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| 13:42.31 | tluebking | technically: yes. two-liner. policywise: there've been several flamewars on kcd about the kdelibs freeze. |
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| 13:43.16 | tluebking | to sum up: the freeze is pretty relevant to make the frameworks segregation possible. that's true and there can't be exceptions |
| 13:43.17 | Wyatt | tluebking: I'm not even talking about for this release cycle. I'm talking about long term. |
| 13:43.58 | tluebking | the moment KDE5 is in shape, frameworks movement happened and master is open, there'll be a patch (as long as i'm still alive then ;-) |
| 13:44.33 | Wyatt | What the crap, KDE5? Why the versiom major jump? |
| 13:44.33 | tluebking | manitu: right now i'm frankly out of ideas. |
| 13:44.35 | lainlives | kwin taskswitcher layouts seem easy enough to make, which excites me |
| 13:45.14 | tluebking | because kdelibs 4 is frozen for lifetime. |
| 13:45.21 | tosky | Wyatt: if you are going to base the entire stack over a new major library (Qt5), why not bumping the version number? |
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| 13:45.38 | tluebking | there'll be no kde5, but kde frameworks - a segregation of present kdelibs. there a fix can bem added |
| 13:45.57 | tosky | tluebking: I should point out that the outcome of the discussions is that exceptions for kdelibs, in terms of bugfixes, are possible |
| 13:46.01 | tluebking | manitu: see? one gets distracted |
| 13:46.03 | Wyatt | tosky: Oh, Nokia is trolling, I see. I don't follow Qt; I'm an end user. |
| 13:46.24 | tosky | Wyatt: there is no Nokia involved anymore, Qt is a community project endorsed by Digia |
| 13:47.11 | Wyatt | tosky: Which illustrates nicely how much I pay attention to upstreams I don't write against directly. ;) |
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| 13:47.25 | tosky | Wyatt: so why care for a number bump? |
| 13:47.28 | tluebking | tosky: you'd not say adding a new config key is an feature extension? |
| 13:48.14 | tluebking | manitu: if i got you right, the shadows "remain" when you maximize a window, but they do not appear, when the window is initially maximized - correct? |
| 13:48.40 | tosky | tluebking: I was just saying that the answer to the question "are changes to kdelibs allowed" is not, as you suggested, "no way.", but "mostly no, almost no for features, but let's see the importance of the fix" |
| 13:49.08 | Wyatt | tosky: Two things. 1) From my perspective it's unexpected. 2) The surprise is more the rigid freeze of the 4.x series. |
| 13:49.10 | tosky | the rule of course is that the change should go to Frameworks too |
| 13:49.27 | manitu | tluebking: sorry.. phone x_x .. what i found out.. if i have a window maximized and replace the kwin or enable/disable the effects the bug disappears for this window.. if a window is opened(or it wasn't maximized before) and maximized after the bug still exists for this window.. if the bug disappeared it doesn't come back for this window |
| 13:49.27 | Wyatt | Also, what's this about "frameworks"? |
| 13:50.07 | tosky | Wyatt: the freeze is just for *libraries*; the rest of development is going on; this night there was the tag for 4.10 of the set of libraries, workspace (~=desktop) and apps |
| 13:50.10 | Sho_ | Wyatt: frameworks is the name for the next-gen KDE libs to succeed the KDE Platform 4 libs |
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| 13:51.10 | Wyatt | tosky: So is this an ordinary release-cycle feature freeze or not? |
| 13:51.28 | tluebking | manitu: seems the state alteration if for some reason not captured by the decoration / qml then |
| 13:51.34 | Wyatt | Sho_: So "frameworks" is just kdelibs 5. |
| 13:51.35 | tosky | Wyatt: for kdelibs, no, it's a real freeze |
| 13:52.29 | tluebking | ok, can reproduce: setting is "display borders on maximized windows" - I'll have to look into the aurorae sources / qml to see whether this is intended |
| 13:52.33 | manitu | tluebking: since i don't know the commands well, tell me if i could provide any log |
| 13:52.36 | Aristide | Hi ! |
| 13:52.42 | lainlives | what im gonnad dislike, all the fun stuff on KDE 4 will likely not work on 5 xD |
| 13:52.52 | Aristide | How can I get all languages for Jovie ? |
| 13:53.03 | Aristide | Because list is empty http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/31/plasma-desktopFa2223.png |
| 13:53.07 | Sho_ | Wyatt: they'll probably end up carrying a major version of 5, yeah, but since the conception of frameworks was independent of the version numbering discussion ... |
| 13:53.10 | manitu | tluebking: in irc the communication is just some faster then in a ticket system :) |
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| 13:53.23 | tosky | lainlives: what do you mean? Of course applications will need to be compiled on the new libraries, but nothing more than that |
| 13:53.48 | Sho_ | Wyatt: it's being split up into modules that are situated into dependency tiers, so there's no monolithic "kdelibs" entity anymore |
| 13:53.55 | Sho_ | Wyatt: hence the name change as a convenient shorthand |
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| 13:54.13 | tluebking | manitu: because i've done nothing else for the last minutes - pretty time consuming ;-) |
| 13:54.41 | lainlives | lets jus thope KDE5 only adds features and dont remove any :D |
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| 13:54.53 | Sho_ | lainlives: that's the plan |
| 13:55.03 | tluebking | also it was actually just a random association (when i wrote down what you experience, i understood the code path, thus blamed a setting and tested it ;-) |
| 13:55.08 | lainlives | yay KDE wont got the way of some other DE>.> |
| 13:55.09 | manitu | tluebking: i'm sorry.. i'm at work and got a letter, which i needed to redirect to my ceos and phone after.. that took some time :/ |
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| 13:56.45 | tluebking | i didn't mean"waiting for you" - i got distracted by the rest of the fuzz. gonna be productive again. cheers ;-) |
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| 14:00.19 | lainlives | kmix dont react well to the sound card 'disapearing' then reappearing |
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| 14:17.41 | Rish | how can i email to mentors of GSOC 2012 KDE projects |
| 14:17.47 | Rish | ? |
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| 14:18.37 | Rish | sending emails to example@kde.org returns a failure notice |
| 14:20.06 | Wyatt | Well, first you go to your terminal and dig kde.org for its MX record so you can telnet... ;) |
| 14:20.17 | tosky | Rish: I don't think such email address ever existed |
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| 14:20.37 | Sho_ | Rish: why do you want to mail them? |
| 14:21.22 | Rish | Sho_: because i want some information!!...is their something wrong in mailing mentors without asking them? |
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| 14:21.46 | Sho_ | Rish: No, is there something wrong with asking you about it? :) |
| 14:21.58 | Sho_ | Rish: What information do you need? I was a GSOC mentor in 2012 |
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| 14:24.08 | Rish | Sho_: defintly not...i was just interested in some of the projects so i tried out solutions for it...and i wanted a feedback...just wanted to know am i r on right path or not |
| 14:24.28 | Rish | i know GSOC 2012 is already over...but wanted to prepare for 2013 |
| 14:24.35 | Rish | in case it happens |
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| 14:25.57 | Sho_ | Rish: I'm not sure there's a unified contact address ... there's a mailing list for the KDE mentors, but it's more for internal discussion ... we do have a #kde-soc channel |
| 14:27.04 | tosky | Rish: also, the usual suggestion is to contact the developers of the project you are interested in |
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| 14:27.20 | tosky | (Sho_, please correct me if I'm wrong) |
| 14:27.22 | Rish | Sho_: ya i know but i also know that they are very busy and they dont come on quassel for like long hours and days...and unfortunatly i cant be on quassel for long so i thhought leaving a mail would be a better option |
| 14:27.27 | Sho_ | Rish: We also have a programming mentoring program at the bottom of http://community.kde.org/Getinvolved/development if you want a general contact person for code feedback |
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| 14:28.35 | Sho_ | Rish: sorry, personal sticking point: it's "on IRC", not "on Quassel" ... Quassel is an IRC client, KDE's Konversation would be another, and there are many others |
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| 14:29.07 | Rish | ya sorry...i meant IRC |
| 14:29.11 | Sho_ | Rish: I don't think most people monitor the channel while GSOC is not going on ... keep in mind mentorship is something you sign up for each year individually, too |
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| 14:29.26 | Sho_ | Rish: and tosky is right of course, you can always just seek out the people who work on the app/project you want to work on |
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| 14:30.30 | Rish | Sho_: ok i will try contacting the programming mentor and the people who worked on project i m interested it...thankyou for replying |
| 14:30.45 | Sho_ | happy to help |
| 14:30.55 | Rish | Sho_: i willl also try my luck here in case they come to IRC |
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| 14:31.39 | Rish | Sho_: one more thing..do you know wether there will be GSOC 2013 or not? |
| 14:31.41 | Sho_ | Rish: well, you just talked to me so they do come on IRC ;) as mentioned I was a mentor in 2012 |
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| 14:31.58 | Sho_ | Rish: I haven't heard that there _won't_ be one, so I assume there will be one, yes |
| 14:33.02 | Rish | Sho_: this might be a stupid question but do you round about whens it going to be announced? |
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| 14:33.34 | Sho_ | Rish: last year it was early February I think ... so probably soon |
| 14:33.48 | Sho_ | Rish: last year it was announced at FOSDEM I believe |
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| 14:34.33 | Rish | Sho_: sorry but whats 'FOSDEM'? |
| 14:34.54 | Sho_ | Rish: An open source conference |
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| 14:35.19 | Rish | Sho_: ok....thankyou for helping |
| 14:35.22 | Sho_ | https://fosdem.org/2013/ |
| 14:35.52 | Sho_ | so maybe on the 2nd or 3rd |
| 14:37.40 | Rish | announcin on 2nd or 3rd? |
| 14:37.49 | Sho_ | yes |
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| 14:37.55 | lainlives | well i think im gonna goto the bank, and see how many pennies i have |
| 14:37.56 | Rish | or open source conference on 2nd or 3rd |
| 14:38.02 | lainlives | in 360 pounds >.> |
| 14:38.09 | Rish | ok...thanks |
| 14:38.10 | Sho_ | Rish: The conference is on the 2nd and 3rd, and last year Google announced it at the conference |
| 14:38.18 | Rish | ya got it |
| 14:38.22 | Rish | Thanks again |
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| 15:02.34 | omeringen | okay, posted a topic about my issue : http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=253&t=109838 |
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| 15:40.38 | miebster_atwork | I want to add an application to the KDE menu, I added the path to the executable, the problem is that it starts the application without sourcing my bashrc file, how can I do this? |
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| 15:44.38 | james147 | miebster_atwork: why do you want it to source your bashrc file? Launching applications from the menu does not involve bash. |
| 15:46.18 | james147 | miebster_atwork: you can add to the KDE enviroment by placing scripts in $(kde4-config --localprefix)/env |
| 15:48.20 | miebster_atwork | james147: is env a file? |
| 15:48.36 | james147 | miebster_atwork: directory |
| 15:48.56 | miebster_atwork | james147: and in it, I put bash scripts? |
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| 15:50.20 | james147 | miebster_atwork: any scripts that end in .sh: http://userbase.kde.org/Session_Environment_Variables/en |
| 15:50.46 | miebster_atwork | james147: there is already one in there, gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh, can I modify it and put source ~/.bashrc in it? |
| 15:51.09 | rdieter | miebster_atwork: no need |
| 15:51.22 | rdieter | miebster_atwork: both .bashrc and ~/.kde/env are sourced at login |
| 15:51.41 | rdieter | miebster_atwork: and by any subsequent (sub)shell, I believe |
| 15:51.43 | miebster_atwork | so I have to logout if I want KDE launched apps to see my new env? |
| 15:51.51 | rdieter | miebster_atwork: in short, yes |
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| 15:53.14 | james147 | o yes sorry, you cannot update them durring a session, you need to relogin to do that |
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| 16:34.53 | Frozenthia | I desperately need help with getting my sound to work on KDE. :( |
| 16:36.57 | Frozenthia | http://pastebin.com/uDnvAwgk |
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| 16:44.11 | anand | Hi...i need help in Kwin effects...i use a laptop with Nvidia graphics card with optimus...i have bumblebee installed |
| 16:44.49 | anand | though for others applications graphics card is used when started with optirun... |
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| 16:55.09 | miebster_atwork | So I tried to add a command to the KDE applications, but when it launches I dont have the right env from .bashrc I've restarted the machine, no change |
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| 16:57.33 | james147 | miebster_atwork: does the command work from a terminal? |
| 16:57.40 | miebster_atwork | james147: yes |
| 16:57.57 | miebster_atwork | james147: thats why this is so silly, I just want a button to click that runs it like the terminal would have |
| 16:58.09 | james147 | miebster_atwork: what command are you trying to run? |
| 16:58.24 | miebster_atwork | its a binary you don't have so /foo/bar would suffice :) |
| 16:58.37 | miebster_atwork | but lets say its something else, like echo $PARAM |
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| 16:59.11 | james147 | miebster_atwork: and you have added "export PRARM="foo"" to your ~/.bashrc? |
| 16:59.29 | miebster_atwork | james147: yes, if I hadn't it wouldn't work from terminal |
| 17:00.02 | james147 | miebster_atwork: what happens if you check the "run in terminal option"? |
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| 17:01.14 | miebster_atwork | odly enough, i get terminal sitting on my screen, the app opens, but it still doens't have the right environment |
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| 17:05.36 | james147 | miebster_atwork: this suggests to me that ~/.bashrc is not being sourced at login (is it even meant to? it is sourced whenever you run bash). I suggest you add the export line to a .sh file in ~/.kde/env/ |
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| 17:36.18 | drhouse123 | why I have ext4-related errors and kde plasma crashes after wakeup (from hibernate) on my netbook? |
| 17:38.49 | rdieter | drhouse123: hibernate is buggy sometimes (I think it should be *mostly* fixed in recent kernels though) |
| 17:39.02 | rdieter | suspend is safer in general |
| 17:41.49 | drhouse123 | rdieter: i think i few missed, suspend to ram or to disk ? |
| 17:42.12 | rdieter | hibernate = suspend to disk, suspend = suspend to ram |
| 17:42.36 | rdieter | afaik |
| 17:42.47 | drhouse123 | rdieter: kernel is 3.6.11 then yes it was a hibernate |
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| 17:44.38 | drhouse123 | so i need setup it for suspend |
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| 18:30.52 | pablerkas | hi guys, does anybody know by any chance why irc does not appear as an available protocol in telepathy for KDE? I have installed telepathy-idle. Actually i have installed every package that starts with telepathy- |
| 18:30.58 | pablerkas | i'm using archlinux here |
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| 19:08.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, is it possible to disable the function that makes mouse wheel actions over the taskbar cycle through windows? |
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| 19:08.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Running 4.9.4 / Kubuntu 12.10. |
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| 19:30.21 | MrSassyPants | file:///var/tmp/kdecache- |
| 19:30.25 | MrSassyPants | the fuck is chrome opening |
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| 19:31.34 | MrSassyPants | this has been going on since I updated to 4.9 |
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| 19:35.05 | Verge | MrSassyPants: To what type of file is the url pointing to? |
| 19:35.23 | MrSassyPants | I sorted it out. the .desktop link didn't have in its command line |
| 19:35.30 | MrSassyPants | \%\U |
| 19:35.36 | Verge | nice |
| 19:35.52 | MrSassyPants | %U ? |
| 19:36.04 | MrSassyPants | hah, take that, xchat and your attempts to sabotage me |
| 19:42.56 | BluesKaj | MrSassyPants, try Konversation |
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| 19:43.35 | MrSassyPants | BluesKaj, too late |
| 19:43.40 | MrSassyPants | but thanks |
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| 19:44.14 | BluesKaj | too late ? It's never too late :) |
| 19:44.56 | BluesKaj | oh well, he probly didn't want to see my reply |
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| 22:05.48 | JoaoSantana | hi all |
| 22:05.55 | JoaoSantana | Since KDE installs MySQL database by default, does anyone knows what is MySQL default root password? |
| 22:06.59 | Phr33d0m | JoaoSantana KDE installs mysql by default? |
| 22:07.10 | muep | akonadi uses mysql as a cache |
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| 22:08.01 | muep | but my impression is that there would be little or no long-term useful data in that cache |
| 22:08.30 | JoaoSantana | Phr33d0m: it is here since install, so... |
| 22:08.38 | aboudreault | can we burn a XSPF playlist with k3b? |
| 22:09.04 | JoaoSantana | muep: i read akonadi uses MySQL since KDE 4.2 but I can't find a root password. |
| 22:09.38 | JoaoSantana | muep: i have installed Lemon POS and I need to configure a database, but I cant log in MySQL. |
| 22:10.06 | muep | at least if I was coding such a thing, I would not set any specific root password |
| 22:10.23 | muep | but why would you use the mysql instance used by akonadi, instead of an usual system-wide instance? |
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| 22:11.51 | Phr33d0m | JoaoSantana http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/mysql-change-root-password/ |
| 22:12.05 | JoaoSantana | muep: in fact I'm a KDE noob |
| 22:12.43 | muep | I do not think you would likely want to use the akonadi instance |
| 22:12.57 | muep | my impression is that it is intended to be used only by akonadi, as it pleases |
| 22:14.43 | JoaoSantana | muep: I undestand. |
| 22:15.22 | JoaoSantana | Phr33d0m: Thanks for the link :) it helped me out |
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| 22:15.46 | Phr33d0m | np, took me 0.8sec to google it ou |
| 22:15.49 | Phr33d0m | +t |
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| 22:16.11 | nicklas_ | running openSUSE, but the packages names should be the same in any dist right? anyone knows the names for base and extra kde color schemes packages? need green dark one to match the dark green e17 theme |
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| 22:17.10 | Phr33d0m | nicklas_ should but they are not |
| 22:17.25 | nicklas_ | Phr33d0m: ok? |
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| 22:17.49 | Phr33d0m | you should look into kde-look.org for such things :) |
| 22:18.37 | nicklas_ | Phr33d0m: yeah, or install directly in settings, easier ;-) |
| 22:19.11 | Phr33d0m | exactly |
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| 22:20.36 | JoaoSantana | Phr33d0m: Funny. I searched for it, but the most used words that were more to do with my problem (which is not only a password change). Do not take me for a fool. |
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| 22:51.06 | krushia | is there some way to make dolphin sort files by alphabetical order instead of black magic numerical order? |
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| 23:23.22 | lainlives | KDE used to come with a 'universal' spell checker at one point in time didnt it? |
| 23:25.46 | bbeck | krushia: If you sort by name it does a case-insensitive sort. (View -> Sort by -> Name) |
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| 23:38.51 | krushia | bbeck: actually it doesn't. if filenames start with digits, it sorts by digit value, like 5.jpg, 100PALM, 301.jpg, 100293.jpg, 00412592.zip |
| 23:38.51 | bbeck | krushia: Ah, I see what you mean. I apologize, I was just thinking about letters. |
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