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| 00:14.43 | Roberth1990 | Sho_: I read on planet kde that porting everything to qml will result in next major version that the entire desktop will be rendered with opengl, what about applications that are not written in qml, will this bring any benefits to them? |
| 00:16.28 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: no |
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| 00:17.33 | Roberth1990 | Sho_: will they be hoste inside of a some sort of a meta window or...? |
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| 00:19.13 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: No |
| 00:19.23 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: Here's how this all works, roughly: |
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| 00:19.52 | d9500 | does kde's networkmanager applet support bridging in kde 4.11? it doesn't look like the current version does. networkmanager itself has had the capability to manage bridged connections since 0.9.8, but the kde applet is developed separately from networkmanager, so i didn't know if bridging support was included. i've looked and can't seem to find a setting to create, delete, or manage any bridges. |
| 00:20.26 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: Everything you see on the screen is inside a window - the desktop surface is a window, the panels are windows, the applications are windows - and the contents of those windows are rendered into off-screen memory buffers |
| 00:21.10 | Roberth1990 | I see |
| 00:21.34 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: Then kwin takes the contents of those buffers and combines them into a full image that is rendered to the buffer that the monitor is fed from |
| 00:22.34 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: In a modern configuration, this compositing step happens via OpenGL, i.e. there is a OpenGL scene that has polygons representing windows which get textured with window contents |
| 00:22.52 | Sho_ | (the implementation details of all of this are a wee bit more complicated, but that is the rough conceptual overview) |
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| 00:23.24 | Roberth1990 | Sho_: does every window that isnt an independent application and a part of the desktop run as its own thread? |
| 00:23.26 | Roberth1990 | I see |
| 00:24.36 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: Now, right now, the contents of the windows that belong to Plasma (i.e. the desktop surface, the panels, popups from those panels, etc.) are rasterized by the immediate mode painting stack inside Qt, which has a couple of backend implementations, like software rasterization and XRender |
| 00:25.32 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: This is also true for QML content hosted in those Plasma windows, because in Qt 4, QML is implemented on top of the QGraphicsView canvas system, which uses QPainter (the above-mentioned immediate mode painting API) |
| 00:26.21 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: A significant change in Qt 5 is that QML was ported from using QGraphicsView to using a new, different scene graph implementation, which happens to be implemented with OpenGL |
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| 00:27.03 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: So the change from now to then is that (a) we're going to pervasively use QML and (b) that QML is going to live in OpenGL scene graphs, the bottom line being that the contents of those Plasma windows will be rendered using OpenGL |
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| 00:28.22 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: As for the multi-threading question, we do use multi-threading for a variety of things, but there is no window-level threading split, no |
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| 00:30.38 | Roberth1990 | ah I see |
| 00:30.59 | Roberth1990 | Sho_: you know about any benchmarks which show the difference between qml in qt4 and qt5? |
| 00:31.27 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: Not from the top of my head |
| 00:31.49 | Roberth1990 | okay:P |
| 00:32.07 | Roberth1990 | is the qml in qt5 called qml2 right? |
| 00:32.33 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: I think the official name is QtQuick 2.0 vs QtQuick 1.1 |
| 00:33.05 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: Note that benchmarks are always useless unless you understand what the numbers mean |
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| 00:43.08 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: When it comes to rendering performance the rough idea to keep in mind is that your goal is to render 60 frames per second, which means you have 16.6 miliseconds to render one frame, and a framework might be better than another framework because (a) individual operations take less time, allowing you to get more done in those 16.6; (b) operations are implemented in such a way as to be less prone to suffering from resource contention with other activities on |
| 00:43.10 | Sho_ | the system, slowing them down, (c) the framework is more resilient to adverse effects stemming from programmer misuse of the framework (e.g. extracting good performance for rendering very often relies on the programmer being smart enough to avoid context switches, and it's nice if a framework finds a way not to rely on the programmer being good) |
| 00:44.39 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: OpenGL is a win over CPU rendering for a mix of 'a' (the GPU is a very fast number-cruncher, which makes some operations economical that just aren't on a CPU) and 'b' (running on the GPU avoids resource contention with activities on the CPU), but often doesn't do so well on 'c' |
| 00:45.31 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: Not doing well on 'c' is because OpenGL is usually not used in an immediate mode way but in a retained mode way, i.e. by having a scene graph implementation that takes care of uploading things to the GPU in an efficient away to for example avoid frequent context switching |
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| 00:46.15 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: That's why having QML on a OpenGL scene graph for example is better than trying to accelerate QPainter via OpenGL and getting QGraphicsView onto the GPU that way (which was actually attempted too) |
| 00:46.25 | Roberth1990 | isnt the biggest win with this for tablet users? |
| 00:50.38 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: Dunno ... in the sense that mobile devices are generally slower it might have a bigger impact there |
| 00:51.43 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: And on mobile devices improved efficiency also has an extra win you don't have on AC power: battery life |
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| 00:52.49 | Roberth1990 | yeah thats what I thought |
| 00:52.54 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: As for normal apps, whether QML becomes a success for traditional desktop UIs has yet to play out |
| 00:53.33 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: Qt 5.1 introduces a set of QML components that emulate traditional desktop UI widgets like buttons, scrollbars, listviews etc. with native styling support |
| 00:53.50 | Roberth1990 | and it also sounds like kde will be more suitable on those cheap arm boards to since they often has a wimpy cpu but a powerful gpu |
| 00:53.58 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: right, yup |
| 00:54.04 | Roberth1990 | cool |
| 00:56.57 | Sho_ | and on that note, 4.11 comes with a long list of really neat kwin efficiency improvements that among other things further reduce its CPU usage |
| 00:57.57 | Roberth1990 | yeah I read that performance is stellar for me anyway so |
| 00:58.06 | Roberth1990 | that is more news with people with old hardware:P |
| 00:58.26 | Sho_ | well, it also means performance has a higher chance of _staying_ stellar while you utilize your CPU heavily |
| 00:58.34 | Roberth1990 | yeah I know |
| 00:58.37 | Sho_ | so it's always a win for some of the time :) |
| 00:58.59 | Roberth1990 | but thats rarely a case for me since my server does most of the hard work:) |
| 00:59.01 | Roberth1990 | yep |
| 01:02.43 | Roberth1990 | Sho_: SNA working fine for you? |
| 01:02.57 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: haven't seen any problems yet |
| 01:04.27 | Roberth1990 | Sho_: good, i think SNA is being a bit matured right now |
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| 01:05.04 | Sho_ | maybe I should switch to xrender for a while to see how that feels like |
| 01:05.17 | Roberth1990 | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/log/ you can easily see what is being focused on for the moment hehe... |
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| 01:07.24 | Sho_ | in fact, I have to reboot in a few minutes anyway, why not switch to xrender then |
| 01:08.20 | Roberth1990 | what? |
| 01:08.36 | Sho_ | I mean, since I have to log out and back in anyway |
| 01:10.09 | Roberth1990 | because of SNA? |
| 01:10.30 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: Yeah, I'm not really noticing much of SNA with Qt bypassing XRender anyway |
| 01:11.16 | Sho_ | so let's tell Qt to use XRender instead |
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| 01:17.33 | Roberth1990 | oh... |
| 01:17.44 | Roberth1990 | so it uses mesa for you normally to render 2D? |
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| 01:24.50 | Sho_ | Roberth1990: Abandoned that experiment again, the XRender backend has just bitrotted too much since becoming non-default (the font kerning is buggy, etc.) |
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| 02:25.50 | Roberth1990 | Sho_: oh hehe |
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| 08:08.56 | DaZ | so, either let it do what it's doing or disable the desktop search? :v |
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| 08:25.14 | szx | http://askubuntu.com/questions/304396/missing-show-a-launcher-when-not-running-option-in-kde |
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| 09:45.06 | luiscuerdo | hello could someone help me? i am trying to install a program in kubuntu, and I have no idea what i am doing |
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| 09:46.32 | luiscuerdo | it is the translation toolkit it is a setup.py file, do i need to download phyton? |
| 09:46.48 | luiscuerdo | I downloaded python, but I dont know how to install it either |
| 09:47.42 | luiscuerdo | I am using virtualbox |
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| 09:49.26 | luiscuerdo | can i use lokalize in kubuntu? |
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| 09:57.35 | neverendingo | luiscuerdo: installing a program depends on the distro, not necessarily kde, you better ask in their channel for support, #kubuntu i guess |
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| 10:01.38 | luiscuerdo | hello neverendingo, thank you i will giveit a try |
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| 10:07.07 | luiscuerdo | neverendingo: , do you know if there is a channel for lokalize? |
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| 10:07.36 | neverendingo | luiscuerdo: should be this one then |
| 10:08.40 | luiscuerdo | neverendingo: i am trying to use TMs in lokalize but it does not work |
| 10:09.12 | luiscuerdo | when I try to load .po files it freezes, when I import tmx files, it does not, but it doesn't load them anyway |
| 10:10.20 | neverendingo | luiscuerdo: not using it myself, but did you check the online docs already? |
| 10:10.34 | neverendingo | e.g. http://userbase.kde.org/Lokalize or http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdesdk/lokalize/index.html |
| 10:11.16 | tosky | luiscuerdo: does it freeze after or before opening the window with the progress? |
| 10:12.21 | luiscuerdo | thank you neverendingo |
| 10:12.53 | luiscuerdo | tosky: , the window "select directory to be scanned" freezes when I touch any button |
| 10:13.12 | tosky | that's not normal |
| 10:13.38 | tosky | I still have 4.8 here, but at least those steps work, even if it is slow |
| 10:15.09 | luiscuerdo | tosky: i have 1.5 in KDE development platform 4.10.2, in kde forwindows |
| 10:16.03 | luiscuerdo | i have tried installing mint kde in virtualbox but it also freezes, i only managed to instal kubuntu in virtualbox |
| 10:16.14 | tosky | oh, windows, maybe you'd better ask on #kde-windows |
| 10:16.26 | tosky | lokalize freezes in mint? |
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| 10:18.34 | luiscuerdo | tosky: i could not install mint |
| 10:18.41 | luiscuerdo | in virtualbox |
| 10:18.52 | luiscuerdo | i asked in kde-windows, thanks |
| 10:20.00 | tosky | the issue with mint is a different one :) |
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| 10:25.52 | luiscuerdo | i will try to install mint in my laptop with dual boot |
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| 10:26.10 | luiscuerdo | tosky: do u know if i can just copy the files into a usb drive? |
| 10:26.52 | tosky | luiscuerdo: which files? |
| 10:27.24 | luiscuerdo | the installation files tosky, from the boot-disc |
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| 10:29.03 | luiscuerdo | I will give it a try, than you tosky |
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| 12:32.03 | titou | hey |
| 12:32.10 | titou | still nobody reading? |
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| 12:38.57 | handle | sorry man, we're all writing now |
| 12:39.13 | handle | hmm, should have said "yeah, we're all write" |
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| 12:42.02 | titou | writing?! |
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| 12:50.47 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 12:56.43 | rindolf | BluesKaj: hi. |
| 12:57.34 | BluesKaj | Hi rindolf |
| 12:57.42 | rindolf | BluesKaj: what's new? |
| 12:58.16 | BluesKaj | oh , not much , fooling with vpn |
| 12:58.31 | BluesKaj | how about you ? |
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| 13:01.09 | BluesKaj | er how about you , rindolf? |
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| 13:06.19 | rindolf | BluesKaj: I've discussed software licensing with a friend. |
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| 13:06.55 | rindolf | BluesKaj: he said that the Artistic 2.0 was dually licensed, while the MIT/X11 only allows for sublicensing. |
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| 13:07.29 | rindolf | BluesKaj: and I don't think Artistic 2.0 is dually-licensed. |
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| 13:07.48 | rindolf | The original Perl licence is GPLv1-or-above and Artistic 1.0. |
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| 13:13.34 | BluesKaj | rindolf, sounds like minefield , legalities of open source |
| 13:13.45 | rindolf | BluesKaj: yes. |
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| 13:26.24 | titou | since I moved to KDE 4.10 I encounter problems with virtuoso.. |
| 13:26.28 | titou | each time I log in it takes 100% of my cpu.. |
| 13:26.40 | titou | once I kill it with kill 9, it becomes ok |
| 13:26.57 | titou | does someone has a solution to avoid this? |
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| 13:36.55 | BluesKaj | titou, if you have no need for virtuoso , then remove it in muon |
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| 14:08.38 | veek_ | how do i turn off the + - sign in dolphin (what is that anyways?) |
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| 14:15.10 | veek_ | stuid + and - signs hovering over my icons *grumble* |
| 14:15.15 | tsimpson | veek_: it's there so you can select multiple files |
| 14:15.21 | tsimpson | without having to use the keyboard |
| 14:16.41 | veek_ | ah.. that's nice.. hmm.. how do i do that |
| 14:17.17 | veek_ | wait a sec but it comes when i mouse over |
| 14:17.28 | veek_ | the green + sign and red - sign |
| 14:17.31 | tsimpson | hover, click, done :) |
| 14:17.49 | veek_ | hover click.. play the file |
| 14:18.24 | veek_ | if i hover click.. i'll play the file.. |
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| 14:18.39 | silv3r_m00n | is it possible to run kde 3 apps on kde 4.10 ? |
| 14:19.04 | veek_ | ah.. you have to click on the + sign |
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| 14:19.17 | tsimpson | yeah, click the + or - |
| 14:19.37 | tsimpson | silv3r_m00n: if you have the KDE3 libraries installed, sure |
| 14:19.48 | silv3r_m00n | i use quanta plus web editor, it ran upto ubuntu 12.10, but in 13.04 its kde 4.10 where kdelibs5-plugin package conflicts with kdelibs4c2a_3.5.10.dfsg.1-5ubuntu2_amd64.deb and hence cant install quanta plus |
| 14:20.14 | veek_ | hmm.. how does it help with mouseless activity? can i turn it off..? |
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| 14:21.09 | veek_ | i like to use a kybrd mouse combo.. is it possible to turn that off? |
| 14:21.25 | silv3r_m00n | tsimpson: any idea |
| 14:21.41 | tsimpson | veek_: you can still use the keyboard to do it, it doesn't interfere with that |
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| 14:22.30 | tsimpson | silv3r_m00n: if you can't install both KDE libraries at the same time then you'll probably want something like a chroot I suppose |
| 14:22.42 | tsimpson | or, build it yourself and put it in /usr/local or similar |
| 14:22.47 | tsimpson | which may or may not be easier |
| 14:22.53 | silv3r_m00n | need this package kdelibs4c2a |
| 14:23.23 | silv3r_m00n | is it possible to build it ? |
| 14:23.26 | silv3r_m00n | how does chroot work ? |
| 14:23.55 | silv3r_m00n | chroot changes the root to the current directory i guess ? |
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| 14:24.11 | tsimpson | a chroot would work by you placing all the files needed to run the program in a specific directory and running the program from that new root |
| 14:24.23 | tsimpson | basically everything but the kernel |
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| 14:26.26 | veek_ | one other thing.. for very long file names is there a way to truncate the length beyond a limit |
| 14:27.39 | silv3r_m00n | tsimpson: but this program needs to access the other files in the file system, like /var/www/ |
| 14:28.07 | tsimpson | silv3r_m00n: you can bind mount other parts of the filesystem within the chroot if you want |
| 14:28.41 | silv3r_m00n | and to install packages in the chroot, can i use apt-get ? |
| 14:29.04 | tsimpson | yes, as long as you have apt-get installed in the chroot |
| 14:29.23 | silv3r_m00n | and how will i do that ? |
| 14:29.33 | silv3r_m00n | apt-get install apt-get :-? |
| 14:29.35 | tsimpson | look at the debootstrap package/command (as you're on *buntu), it can automatically create a chroot for you |
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| 14:30.34 | silv3r_m00n | hm |
| 14:30.42 | silv3r_m00n | let me check |
| 14:30.46 | silv3r_m00n | tsimpson: thanks for the info by the way |
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| 14:30.57 | tsimpson | sure |
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| 14:33.05 | tsimpson | silv3r_m00n: I found this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot |
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| 14:34.04 | silv3r_m00n | tsimpson: yeah, reading that, looks pretty lengthy |
| 14:34.15 | tsimpson | most of it is one-time setup |
| 14:34.44 | silv3r_m00n | i think,what it means is that a minimal ubuntu system has to be setup in the chroot environment |
| 14:34.57 | tsimpson | yes, just make sure to create a quantal or earlier chroot, as that's the latest that you said you can install it with |
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| 14:36.31 | silv3r_m00n | hmm |
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| 15:57.25 | veek | is there a way in kde to open apps based on name in a particular desktop (i don't have kde installed just yet) |
| 15:58.07 | veek | eg: i can open xchat in desktop 12 and do Alt arrow keys to navigate to it |
| 15:59.00 | veek | and i have setup F1 F2 to change geometry of any window that has focus |
| 15:59.15 | veek | not to mention focus follows mouse |
| 16:02.59 | ZenGuy311 | i use kde .. i have 2 external drives with usb.2.0 i'm transferring a 70GB file and it'll take 2hr 40mins @7.2MBps .. .. can the transfer speed be made higher.. plasma copy is being used |
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| 16:06.41 | veek | ZenGuy311, not sure but i don't think KDE can influence dsk copy.. you might want to check hdparm (DMA) settings and such but imho it's prolly set correctly |
| 16:07.31 | veek | maybe if you could compress the file.. |
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| 16:15.33 | ZenGuy311 | veek: this is lsusb http://pastie.org/8055971 |
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| 16:19.50 | sombragris | hi there... |
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| 16:20.21 | sombragris | I asked yesterday for help because the VGA port of the laptop didn't send the right resolution to my external monitor |
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| 16:21.01 | sombragris | I am happy to report that I finally could use the right resoltion -- but for that I had to manually set it up with xrandr :/ |
| 16:21.56 | sombragris | now I have a question: is there a keyboard shortcut to go to the front application in one of the screens? (I mean, other than alt+tab) ? |
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| 16:22.53 | veek | you mean like a cycle through the windows below your mouse - key? |
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| 16:28.32 | veek | ZenGuy311, that's a listing of USB devices.. if your CPU usage is high (top) then you need to enable DMA and it'll be faster to copy.. i think.. hdparm -I /dev/whatever to check if dma iss enabled |
| 16:30.29 | ZenGuy311 | ok |
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| 16:31.28 | ZenGuy311 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:33.51 | sombragris | veek: I mean: let's say that there's a window at the forefront of one screen and another at the forefront of the other screen |
| 16:34.12 | zenguy_pc | veek http://pastie.org/8056066 |
| 16:34.33 | sombragris | Suppose I began to cycle apps so that with Alt-Tab, the next window isn't that of the next screen |
| 16:35.04 | sombragris | in that case, is there a keyboard shortcut to go to the first application in the *next* screen ? |
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| 16:36.29 | zenguy_pc | veek second external http://pastie.org/8056073 |
| 16:37.38 | veek | Oo it's using mdma |
| 16:38.17 | ZenGuy311 | whats that? |
| 16:38.21 | veek | try hdparm -X udma2 on both drives |
| 16:38.42 | veek | mdma is slower (Ultra)DMA is faster |
| 16:39.15 | ZenGuy311 | it saids (DANGEROUS) in 00help |
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| 16:39.44 | veek | actually you could try udma6 |
| 16:40.12 | svuorela | why are you talking about ecstasy ? |
| 16:40.17 | ZenGuy311 | safer? |
| 16:40.44 | veek | ZenGuy311, does it say dangerous for -X? |
| 16:41.02 | ZenGuy311 | veek: hdparm --help |
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| 16:45.37 | veek | ZenGuy311, hmm multiple sector transfer 16 and using 0 (you might want to check that as well).. it ought to be safe (check your drive docs to see if it has a jumper) but i'm no expert |
| 16:46.29 | ZenGuy311 | i'd have to pry open the external to get to the jumper |
| 16:46.39 | ZenGuy311 | you think i have to check bios too? |
| 16:46.47 | veek | check the docs on the website |
| 16:46.53 | veek | sheesh |
| 16:47.02 | ZenGuy311 | ok |
| 16:47.20 | veek | hmm.. not as far as i know |
| 16:48.35 | veek | sombragris, ah, hmm you need to switch desktops you mean.. yeah there isbound to be one |
| 16:48.48 | veek | sombragris, google (i don;t hve kde running just yet) |
| 16:50.06 | salamanderrake | how do get the previews with the mouse over the panel bar. |
| 16:50.54 | salamanderrake | also when I alt tab through the open windows there is only the outline of the app I am cycling through and not a preview. |
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| 16:55.41 | tandoori | and there is! |
| 16:56.02 | tandoori | I am trying to get KDE set up properly, but I think I am missing something |
| 16:56.39 | tandoori | i think it has something to do with either the shell theme or window theme |
| 16:56.59 | tandoori | I already ran aptitude install kde-core kdm |
| 16:57.55 | tandoori | ah I want to set up this plasma desktop |
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| 17:06.50 | tandoori | anyone? |
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| 17:09.31 | zenguy_pc | veek http://pastie.org/8056164 |
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| 17:09.52 | zenguy_pc | i'm suppose to get up to 480mbps from both specs |
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| 17:13.39 | tandoori | ZenGuy311: this chann is dead, full of 400 Zombies |
| 17:14.25 | ZenGuy311 | lol |
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| 17:15.01 | ZenGuy311 | now i'm certain looking at gnome disk utility that i;m i'n on usb 2.0 for both drives 480MBps |
| 17:15.13 | tandoori | so good luck trying to get any answers in here. ##linux is somewhat active |
| 17:15.23 | ZenGuy311 | i'm gonna find a command with progressbar to copy the file |
| 17:15.32 | ZenGuy311 | i'm in there too |
| 17:15.45 | tandoori | I know nothing about linux, so don't ask me |
| 17:16.10 | ZenGuy311 | whats problems are you having? |
| 17:16.15 | tandoori | I just wanted to take a look at the plasma desktop, but they make it such a pita to set up that it might not be worth my time |
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| 17:17.40 | ZenGuy311 | it's worth it |
| 17:18.36 | ZenGuy311 | word of warning .. don't use gtk apps that have a tray icon like xchat or dropbox .. i disabled my tray icons for xchat and only use dropbox for 4 minutes at a time before exiting it |
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| 17:18.55 | ZenGuy311 | xorg memory leak.. something to do with pixmaps |
| 17:19.02 | tandoori | huh |
| 17:19.05 | ZenGuy311 | only on some systems |
| 17:19.08 | ZenGuy311 | hold on |
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| 17:21.04 | rdieter | ZenGuy311: it's a known issue between plasma and apps that use (classic) animated systray icons. |
| 17:21.30 | rgeri77 | hi |
| 17:21.53 | tandoori | i dont know what a 'gtk app' is |
| 17:22.04 | rdieter | ZenGuy311: see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314919 |
| 17:22.05 | rgeri77 | i have problem with kmix. Someone can help me ? |
| 17:22.21 | rdieter | rgeri77: maybe if you describe what the problem is first. :) |
| 17:23.13 | rgeri77 | of course :-) but first here is a video about the problem : youtu.be/1mSBZlEMNQY |
| 17:23.36 | rdieter | can you describe it without making anyone watch a video? |
| 17:23.40 | zenguy_pc | my thread http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=110294 |
| 17:23.56 | rgeri77 | so, i cant set the volume level with kmix, because kmix now manage master chanel, and not pcm level |
| 17:24.06 | rdieter | rgeri77: ah, seen it. most likely an alsa/driver bug |
| 17:24.10 | rgeri77 | but, with kernel 3.6.10 its worked |
| 17:24.25 | rgeri77 | with kernel 3.9.5 it doesnt work |
| 17:24.37 | rdieter | rgeri77: even more evidence of a driver bug/regression |
| 17:24.40 | rgeri77 | rdieter: cool |
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| 17:27.13 | rgeri77 | i added this bug on redhat bugzilla. can i do more ? |
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| 17:31.30 | rdieter | rgeri77: as long as its triaged properly, that's probably it (unless you're willing to submit the bug to upstream tracker @ http://www.alsa-project.org ) |
| 17:32.08 | rdieter | boo, the "Bug Tracker" link on that site doesn't work. :( |
| 17:34.39 | tandoori | i think i found it |
| 17:34.49 | tandoori | aptitude install kde-full |
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| 18:50.49 | vitya | Hello guys. Questinons about plasmas should be asked only in #plasma ? |
| 18:51.00 | vitya | *Questions about plasma :) |
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| 19:05.39 | wgosling_ | I think #plasma is more dev oriented |
| 19:05.44 | wgosling_ | here is fine |
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| 19:15.45 | __dan__ | having bluetooth pairing issues with kubuntu any takers? |
| 19:16.09 | __dan__ | kubuntu 13.04 kde 4.10.3 |
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| 19:19.01 | dyrvere | __dan__: bluez/bluedevil versions? |
| 19:20.12 | __dan__ | hi dyrvere, bluedevil version is 1.3.0 |
| 19:20.52 | bretzel | I can't tell if it is kde packages/configs - but just adjusted foreground color to the used plasma theme, and I lost the desktop settings ( background-wallpaper, plasma toys...etc...) had to start from scratch ... ( also lost 'coding' activity I've setup ) .... |
| 19:21.35 | dyrvere | __dan__: nice, 1.3.1 is latest however, but what device is it and can you find out the adress it is supposed to have? |
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| 19:26.00 | __dan__ | hi dyrvere sorry a little busy inbetween bashing my head into the keyboard :) |
| 19:26.16 | __dan__ | i have two android devices, a tablet and a phone |
| 19:26.50 | dyrvere | __dan__: I once lodged my head between the keys, had to use butter to break free. So watch out, ok? |
| 19:27.07 | __dan__ | if i initiate pairing on the android device, i dont get any reaction from the laptop |
| 19:27.26 | __dan__ | if i initiate pairing from the laptop, it hangs where u normally see a generated pin |
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| 19:27.46 | __dan__ | this was working but now isnt, cant remember last time i paired anything tho |
| 19:27.59 | __dan__ | i've tried removing all devices, and cleaning out /var/lib/bluetooth |
| 19:28.08 | __dan__ | done a restart of bluetooth service |
| 19:28.15 | __dan__ | rebooted all devices |
| 19:28.32 | __dan__ | and dont worry mate im well experienced bashing my head into the keyboard |
| 19:29.18 | dyrvere | hm, since I don't own any android device I don't know much about that. Getting any error msgs at all from dmesg or similar? |
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| 19:29.46 | __dan__ | no, i've been tailing the syslog |
| 19:30.28 | __dan__ | also ran bluedevil-wizard from terminal, no errors there |
| 19:30.58 | __dan__ | tbh i just want it to work and bluetooth always seems to be broken in new and interesting ways every time i come to use it :/ |
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| 19:31.19 | __dan__ | is there a way to install a different bluetooth manager in a similar way people used to install wicd when the kde network manager was broken? |
| 19:31.45 | __dan__ | sorry to come across angry but i am so thats the way it comes across ;) |
| 19:31.55 | dyrvere | I've noticed the same with bluetooth really, so I understand hehe |
| 19:32.14 | __dan__ | ya there are some things linux does well and bluetooth has never, ever been one of them |
| 19:32.33 | __dan__ | seems they re-write the bluetooth stack every 10 minutes would be great if they wrote something that fuckin works :P |
| 19:33.15 | __dan__ | tbh the network management isn't much better, if you ever tried connecting to a wlan with "hidden" ssid |
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| 19:33.51 | dyrvere | The new networkmanager is getting improvements for 4.11 but that's a while more. :p |
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| 19:34.30 | __dan__ | might just try adding the kubuntu ppa and leave it updating |
| 19:35.14 | dyrvere | __dan__: bashed your head against this page yet? :P |
| 19:35.18 | dyrvere | http://community.kde.org/Solid/Projects/BlueDevil#Debugging |
| 19:36.11 | __dan__ | hehe i know its not what anyone in the opensource arena wants to hear |
| 19:36.31 | dyrvere | They don't? :p |
| 19:36.34 | __dan__ | but i just cant be arsed |
| 19:36.56 | __dan__ | im looking after a 78 year old man who interrupts me every 10 minutes |
| 19:37.05 | __dan__ | and all i wanted to do was copy an ebook to my tablet |
| 19:37.18 | __dan__ | and instead i spent the last hour fucking about |
| 19:38.02 | __dan__ | brb sry |
| 19:38.08 | dyrvere | see ya |
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| 19:53.26 | Kyanayk | I am trying to use KAddressBook. This is the first time I have used this software. I want to use it to save my clients info with in. I think I have to add an address book to begin the process. What option should I chose in here? |
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| 20:04.23 | DreamPCs | Hey guys, I'm using KDE (4.8.4 I think) with Debian Wheezy. It was working fine before but after a reboot my titlebars are missing from all windows and the taskbar is unresponsive. |
| 20:04.33 | DreamPCs | I tried kwin --replace but I get a bad command error. |
| 20:04.54 | DreamPCs | I can't even really switch windows because my alt+tab isn't working either. |
| 20:06.31 | __dan__ | sorry will be afk for a while, thanks for your help dyrvere :) |
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| 20:07.06 | dyrvere | I wasn't sure I helped you __dan__ but you're welcome. |
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| 20:13.17 | Kyanayk | ok since I got no response on that. My next question is can you recommend an address book for kde? |
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| 21:21.06 | __dan__ | Kyanayk: way late sorry but i use mozilla thunderbird with the lightning plugin |
| 21:21.13 | __dan__ | syncs with google calendar and contacts |
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| 21:21.34 | __dan__ | personally i avoid kde pim apps like the plague, in my experience they are flakey at best and data-destructive at worst |
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| 21:29.46 | __dan__ | will be afk for a while but interested to know which distro has the best kde experience if anyone feels like commenting |
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| 21:33.07 | __dan__ | prefer debian based and i havent seen another distro that encrypts /home like *buntu, but tbh im done fighting with this thing now |
| 21:33.45 | thiago | encrypting just /home is not a good idea |
| 21:33.49 | thiago | you should do a full disk encryption |
| 21:34.04 | __dan__ | it embarrased me a few weeks ago at a meeting when i plugged in an external monitor and kde basically fell apart, now this bluetooth issue im shopping for a new distro |
| 21:34.14 | __dan__ | heh maybe |
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| 21:34.31 | __dan__ | but im happy to just encrypt the /home with ecryptfs |
| 21:34.58 | thiago | you should use luks on the root filesystem |
| 21:35.03 | __dan__ | full disk would be too heavy on this machine, plus i dont like to enter my password more than once |
| 21:35.17 | thiago | I don't enter it more than once either |
| 21:35.29 | __dan__ | im happy with the pros/cons of ecryptfs, tbh |
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| 21:37.15 | __dan__ | and having done a couple of years working computer forensics im reasonably happy i understand the risks ;) |
| 21:38.29 | __dan__ | what distro are you running anyway? |
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| 21:40.02 | thiago | Fedora |
| 21:40.27 | __dan__ | yeah bit too cutting edge for what i need really |
| 21:40.57 | thiago | "modern KDE" isn't cutting edge |
| 21:40.57 | __dan__ | but thx :) |
| 21:41.30 | __dan__ | no but fedora isnt exactly debian stable is it :) |
| 21:41.42 | __dan__ | and to be fair it depends on which part of kde you point at |
| 21:42.00 | thiago | Fedora isn't Debian |
| 21:42.06 | thiago | it's much modern, for example |
| 21:42.14 | __dan__ | exactly my point |
| 21:42.23 | thiago | but each one to their tastes |
| 21:42.47 | __dan__ | i just want a distro i wont have to battle when i want it to do something new |
| 21:42.58 | thiago | as in? |
| 21:43.19 | __dan__ | well for instance the reason i'm here in the first place is because bluetooth wont pair correctly |
| 21:43.38 | thiago | I haven't dealt with bluetooth in two years |
| 21:43.44 | thiago | ever since I got a new laptop, without bluetooth |
| 21:43.49 | __dan__ | i've been on kubuntu for like 4 - 5 years and it never once seemed "finished" |
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| 21:44.31 | __dan__ | would like something that's rock solid and been tested to death |
| 21:44.57 | __dan__ | kubuntu seems to always be in a constant transitionary state |
| 21:45.38 | __dan__ | really i want debian stable with a polished desktop experience |
| 21:47.27 | __dan__ | anyway bbl :) |
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| 22:08.06 | Kyanayk | dan__: thanks man I will look into this |
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