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01:01.42SineTheCreatorhi all. quick question, in kde 3.5.x was there a package for kde's default applications dialog? i'm running the latest trinity-desktop on debian 7 and everything is working great, but the default applications dialog seems to be missing.
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01:52.08roberth1990SineTheCreator: I think you will need to ask the people that use trinity, neither kde3 nor trinity is supported
02:03.47SineTheCreatorroberth1990: that's cool, but i'm sure there's some people here that used KDE3.x back in the day. there is always the possibility that someone knows the answer whether it's 'supported' or not. to be fair, trinity desktop's package structure is the same as KDE's, just with -trinity on the end.
02:04.21SineTheCreatori did ask in the trinity support channel but nobody knew
02:04.37roberth1990SineTheCreator: have you tried askin the trinity community?
02:04.53SineTheCreatoryep. i just said that :D
02:07.35thiagoroberth1990: what applications dialog?
02:16.08roberth1990thiago: ask SineTheCreator
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02:22.24SineTheCreatorthiago: i'm missing the 'default applications' dialog in kde3.5.x and was wondering if there is a package that was needed to get it
02:23.55thiagoSineTheCreator: again, what dialog is that? Can you describe what it does?
02:24.04thiagoI might remember the application name, but I need a little more details.
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02:31.46SineTheCreatorthiago: it allows you to set what applications you prefer to use for certain things. i.e. web browser, text editor, what to do when a usb stick or mp3 player is connected, etc etc
02:31.57SineTheCreatori know KDE3.5.x had this dialog. i remember seeing it.
02:32.37SineTheCreatorit's alot like the 'open with ...' dialog that allows you to choose / set a program as the default viewer/editor of a filetype
02:32.51thiagoI think it's a kcm, not an application
02:33.11SineTheCreatorthat's what i said :D
02:33.16SineTheCreatordefault applications dialog
02:33.39SineTheCreatori never explicitly stated that it was a standalone application. but still, is there a package for the module?
02:34.46thiagoit's the "componentchooser" module
02:35.31SineTheCreatoraha!! thank you :D
02:35.38thiagomy guess is that in KDE 3 it was exactly where it is now: kdebase/kcontrol/componentchooser
02:35.40SineTheCreatori thought i checked that one but i guess not
02:37.14SineTheCreatoryay, now i can actually open URLs from weechat in chromium without having to copy them first
02:37.16SineTheCreatorthanks again
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03:17.54MichaelPkde 4.10.4 is there away to make appmenu look like the menu bar in os x ? always stay visable on top of screen
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04:17.58sangaakonadi pop3 resource downloads new mail in background how to get a notification ?
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04:22.51SineTheCreatoris there any way to get konsole to parse url's?
04:23.24SineTheCreatoror at least underline them so i can just right-click > open without needing to select?
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05:21.10d9500does the network management plasma widget support managing bridged connections in version 0.9.8?
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05:23.31darwins
05:23.42darwinoops
05:24.34darwinhow do I set up KDE4 so when I select the desktop icon on the panel, it just goes to the desktop rather than some menu below with 'desktop,' 'desktop icons'?  I chose to have one desktop only, not 'desktop' & 'desktop icons'--the icons should be able to be on the desktop
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05:28.30d9500darwin, are you referring to the three little colored dots (red, blue, green) icon, or the dark blue rectangular "show the plasma desktop"icon?
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05:45.13darwind9500, no I am talking about an actual desktop icon
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05:45.26darwincalled 'show the desktop'
05:45.34darwinlike in many GUIs since 1995
05:47.02darwinwell, I guess the one you mentioned does what I described
05:47.05d9500if i click on that icon on my plasma-panel, it minimizes all open windows
05:47.12darwinbut the one called 'show the desktop' does not show the desktop
05:47.24d9500what distro are you using?
05:47.27darwinSlackware
05:47.39d9500oh..yeah, sorry, i won't be of much help then
05:47.42d9500debian sid here
05:47.47darwinit seems with that plasma thing I can have either the desktop with icons, or the taskbar, shown at once
05:47.50darwinbut not at the same time
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05:48.04darwinwell, KDE4 should work about the same on any distro, depending on minor version differences
05:48.30d9500really? iirc, that icon isn't even available in arch's kde
05:48.43d9500or perhaps it was chakra--it's been a while since i tried either
05:49.16darwinyes, really
05:49.17d9500*not in the stock repos anyway..of course if it was arch i'm sure someone had an aur package uploaded
05:49.32darwinI maintain a different current GNU/Linux distro for some people here
05:49.46darwinKDE4 is about the same on each
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05:52.41darwinactually, I guess the taskbar is called the 'task manager'
05:52.52d9500so..to be clear that we're talking about the same icon...this is the icon you can add to the plasma panel by right-clicking the panel, hovering your mouse cursor over "panel options" in the resulting menu, then over "Add Widgets" in the submenu that pops out when you hover over Panel Options..then searching for "Show Desktop" and double-clicking the only icon that displays in the search results?
05:52.59darwinapparently one can only see either desktop icons, or the task manager of open programs
05:53.09darwinyes, that is the one i added
05:54.21darwinon my PC the one with the dots is called 'show the activity manager,' so I had deleted it
05:54.32darwinbut had put it back after you started talking about it
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05:55.11darwinI guess there are more differences in what minor things are there and what they are called, but the overall functionality is basically the same
05:55.11d9500and when you click the Show Desktop icon (it looks like a blue rectangle with sqiggly lines on a dark blue background on mine)..instead of showingthe desktop..it does what?, instead of minimizing all open windows so you can see whatever icons you have on the desktop..
05:55.25darwinit does show the desktop
05:55.27darwinbut not with icons
05:56.05darwinI have added lots of icons to my desktop, except they seem to be in a separate dekstop called 'desktop icons' accessed with the icon with the dots you mentioned
05:56.49darwinI never really used icons elsewhere except the toolbar since about Windows 3.1... but now I filled up my panel and have to use the desktop
05:57.10darwinwell, maybe I used desktop icons for a while in the late 1990s
05:57.13d9500hmm..are you in folder view mode or default desktop mode? that is, when you right-click a blank area on your desktop, is the bottom option in the resulting menu "Default Desktop Settings" or "Folder View Settings"?
05:57.34darwinit just says 'desktop settings'
05:57.45darwinbut that is the desktop without icons
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05:58.24darwinI guess when I added the icons I did not really know what I was doing
06:00.02d9500I'm currently on Default desktop mode, and I can't add any icons to my desktop that way, not by the conventional way of right-clicking a blank area on the desktop and clicking "Create New." However, if I switch to folder view mode, I'm then able to add desktop icons using that exact method
06:00.11d9500Default Desktop mode*
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06:00.33darwinI do not know what 'folder view mode' is
06:00.41darwinsounds like something I would rather do without
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06:02.30d9500actually, it's just a fancy way of saying "show whatever is in X folder" where X can be any folder you specify..if you want Folder View to display a conventional good old fashioned desktop full of icons you can set Folder View's "location" variable to "Display the Desktop Folder"..and then you can add or delet icons freely
06:02.57darwinok; great
06:03.46darwinit is working now :)  thanks a lot, d9500!
06:04.12d9500you're welcome, darwin
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06:59.34dxisthi! How can setup kwin to force window focus in current screen? When I switch activities focus goes to another screen.
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07:06.15dxistI found settings fot window behavior and resolved my problem.
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07:35.04rindolfHi all. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318020 - can anyone help with that? « Desktop containment resets to default after upgrading»
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09:10.05BlizzzWhat I did that night: got a SSD, partitioned it,  transferred all my data from HDD to SSD, adjusted fstab und grub, everything perfectly fine. Only: when I log in, kwallet does not take my password. I need to go to System Settings, disable KWallet, enable it again, then it will work (some apps need to be restarted). But I need to do it after every log in. Anything I could do about it? Checked some rc files for kwallet and kded, but there was nothing
09:10.06Blizzzsuspicious. KDE 4.10.5
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10:01.54Sho_stack3457: QML 2 is part of Qt 5
10:02.40stack3457@Sho_ I have qt4.8 can it be upgraded to 5.0?
10:02.59VergeTwo different things
10:03.32Sho_stack3457: If your distro has Qt 5 packaged already you can usually install it next to Qt 4
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10:05.38stack3457so i should clone qt5 and build it ?
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10:11.52Vergeno
10:11.59VergeInstall it a as a ready package
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10:48.27ilmenitedoes kwin support compositing on two monitors? with one monitor set to the right of the other?
10:50.04Sho_Sure
10:51.39ilmeniteSho_, so I can drag windows across the two monitors?
10:52.06Sho_ilmenite: Of course (this also works without compositing)
10:52.37ilmenitei'm looking for the compositing because compiz doesnt support this, and i'm considering moving to kde now
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10:52.47ilmenitei like the effects
10:52.59Sho_I'm surprised compiz doesn't support that, because I can't see a good tech reason for why it would be hard
10:53.19ilmenitewell it used to be possible, with xgl
10:53.24ilmenitenow it doesnt support it anymore
10:53.32ilmeniteit breaks big time
10:54.08Sho_Anyway, we currently support no compositing, XRender-based compositing and OpenGL-based compositing (which in turn has modes for OpenGL 2 and 3 and OpenGL ES), and all of those allow you to do multi-monitoring with dragging windows between monitors
10:55.03ilmeniteSho_, support no compositing? typo in there?
10:55.28Sho_ilmenite: No, just bad phrasing - I mean a mode where compositing is disabled
10:55.39Sho_in other words, compositing is still optional in KDE (but on by default)
10:55.54ilmeniteah okay
10:55.58ilmenitethanks :)
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13:20.01AlexTalker7Hello!
13:21.03AlexTalker7Can I use for each room individual widgets? including a panel?
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13:29.29AlexTalker7Can I use for each room individual widgets? including a panel?
13:29.48Sho_I don't understand your question
13:29.50Sho_"room"?
13:30.44AlexTalker7Yes,room
13:30.57AlexTalker7desktop,rooms
13:31.07AlexTalker7virtual desktop,rooms
13:32.08AlexTalker7Understand?
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13:32.37Sho_AlexTalker7: You can have different widgets for every virtual desktop, yes, but not a different panel
13:33.37AlexTalker7No, not the desktop, and the room.
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13:34.56AlexTalker7a rooms
13:36.56AlexTalker7understand?
13:36.59Sho_No
13:38.09AlexTalker7The room can be personalized at your desktop?
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13:39.24AlexTalker7No?
13:40.48Sho_I'm sorry, I still don't know what you mean by "room". I thought you meant virtual desktop, but you said no.
13:41.11lordievaderAlexTalker7: Are you talking about the Activities?
13:42.09AlexTalker7J,ye
13:42.13AlexTalker7O,yes
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13:42.47AlexTalker7I have translated the room.
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13:44.29lordievaderI wouldn't know though if you can have different panels on different activities. Sho_ probably knows ;)
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13:44.46Sho_I think you can't
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13:47.35AlexTalker7It's a pity.
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13:51.49AlexTalker7I'll have to Contact as developers.
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14:04.39OkitainHey, anyone tried compiling Choqok lately?
14:04.58OkitainI have a bizzare error in Cmake with it.
14:05.21Sho_pastebin i guess?
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14:06.11Okitainhttp://pastebin.com/dzCMK53t
14:06.42Sho_Okitain: imho that just means you don't have the devel package for kdelibs installed
14:06.42OkitainYes, the appropriate dev kdelibs are installed.
14:07.51arcsparkhmm. if cmake isn't finding them in their default installation directory then that's something you might want to ask about in your distro's channel.
14:08.17OkitainDo you know how to make it acknowledge new directories?
14:08.46arcsparkas a kludge you could find the files cmake wants and echo them to your path
14:09.02arcsparkbut i'm not even positive that would work, and it definitely wouldn't survive between sessions
14:09.03Sho_Okitain: Does 'ls /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake' output anything?
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14:09.34Falcon`can i somehow make dolphin show preview of images on network (cifs/smbfs) drive?
14:09.51Falcon`it politely refuses, which is reasonable, but i'd like to override this behavior somehow
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14:10.15Sho_Falcon`: See the "Skip previews for remote files above X MB" setting
14:10.26Sho_Falcon`: It's set to 0 by default = no previews for network file systems
14:10.31Falcon`um
14:10.33Falcon`where is it?
14:10.46Sho_General -> Previews in the config dialog
14:11.00Sho_below the list of preview types
14:11.12OkitainSho_: it doesn't, but 'ls /usr/share/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake" does.
14:11.22Falcon`ok, i see it
14:11.36Falcon`yup, that solves it
14:11.38Falcon`thanks!
14:11.48Sho_Okitain: OK ... hm, both should be found normally
14:11.55Sho_Falcon`: happy to help
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14:12.25rdieterOkitain: if you happened to install the libs *after* running cmake initially, you need to remove CMakeCache.txt
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14:14.43Okitainrdieter: Thanks! I used the same folder for installing the packages for both Mageia and Ubuntu, so it wors now.
14:15.05rdieterOkitain: let me recommend doing out-of-tree builds then
14:15.20rdietermkdir build-for-megeia; cd build-for-megeia; cmake ..
14:15.41rdieterthen you can delete/recreate build-for-* as needed safely
14:15.44OkitainSeems reasonable.
14:16.50OkitainI'm kind of new to the whole shebang, since I only need to compile things when I need the latest versions.
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15:40.13leo-the-manicI've got a fullscreen Konsole window... How do I take it out of full screen mode?
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15:40.34leo-the-manicCtrl+Shift+F opens the "Find" tool, I dunno if that's the correct key command or not
15:41.03Sho_leo-the-manic: try alt+f3
15:41.07leo-the-manicAlso Ctrl+Shift+F11 isn't doing anything. I'm using Tmux if that makes a difference
15:41.35leo-the-manicSho_: oooh nice, thanks!
15:42.28leo-the-manicSho_: Apparently I set it to no border and forgot. I don't think I ever would've figured that out haha xD thanks for the help!
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15:42.43Sho_leo-the-manic: no problem
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15:58.09RoboTuxHi there
15:58.27RoboTuxIsn't there a memory leak for the object MarkAsCommand at line 38 of http://paste.debian.net/17096/ ?
16:01.13thiagoRoboTux: no
16:01.25thiagoRoboTux: that mParent argument looks like it's setting the parent
16:01.44RoboTuxOh yeah ok
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17:42.31megaTherionReally why is semantic-desktop existing?
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18:05.13FLHerneEvening
18:05.53thiagomorning
18:06.39FLHerne:P
18:06.42FLHerneDoes anyone know how to (is it possible?) to permanently hide Konqueror's status bar? The 'Show Statusbar' tickbox under the Settings menu seems to be local to each individual tab.
18:07.01FLHerneIs it meant to be, or is that a bug? If not, is there another way to do it?
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18:11.42FLHerneI've tried fiddling with 'View Profiles', but I don't really understand them
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18:19.04SineTheCreatorhi all... i have a question. how well does KDE4.x run on older hardware? by older i mean something like a 2ghz sempron, 1gb of RAM, ati xpress x200m, and a crappy chipset (atix)
18:19.11SineTheCreatoroh and debian 7.1 would be the base
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18:23.09FLHerneSineTheCreator: TBH, you might want to look at other stuff :-/
18:23.32SineTheCreatorFLHerne: okay. so it's probably not going to be a good option, eh?
18:23.42FLHerneSineTheCreator: It's fine on my Pentium D, but it eats lotsa RAM
18:23.47SineTheCreatorahh
18:24.11SineTheCreatorwell... crap :\ i really like trinity-desktop but i wanted something a little newer.
18:24.53SineTheCreatorwell, i'll install the kde-full package and see how it runs. worst case scenario, it runs terribly and i purge everything :D
18:25.00FLHerneYou could always add more RAM, I haven't had any trouble with CPU load :-)
18:26.40SineTheCreatori'd add more ram if i had any, but honestly if i had the money to buy a 2GB stick of DDR for a laptop these days i may as well just save it and buy a faster laptop :D
18:26.40EisNerdcould someone tell me where the kde menu is saved?
18:27.15FLHerneSineTheCreator: Oh, that old? :o
18:27.19SineTheCreatorheh yeah
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18:27.27SineTheCreatorthis laptop was a $300 walmart special back in 2006
18:27.40SineTheCreatori got it free from a friend. it had a dead hdd and i swapped in one of my spares
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18:28.03SineTheCreatorit's an HP/compaq presario v5305wm
18:28.15SineTheCreatorthe term 'ancient' is close to being accurate
18:28.27FLHerneHmm, my '05 desktop has DDR2 :P
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18:28.55SineTheCreatoryeah, DDR in laptops survived well into the 00's because it was cheaper for quite a while.
18:29.22SineTheCreatorbut now laptops try to be comparable to desktops so everything is more in-line
18:29.49SineTheCreatori wish i had money, i'd almost sell my soul for a new laptop that didn't suck :/
18:30.03FLHerneExcept netbooks of course, which are still a decade out of date :-(
18:30.09SineTheCreatorheh, yeah
18:30.37SineTheCreatorfunny thing - i have an hp mini 110 with an atom 1.6 n270 and 1gb of ram. it's faster than this thing at almost every task.
18:30.40FLHerneI was thinking that not long ago, finally scraped enough together to buy me an '09 Thinkpad :-)
18:30.43SineTheCreatorbut the screen is tiny. 10.1"
18:30.52SineTheCreatornice
18:31.06SineTheCreatorused? refurb?
18:31.34SineTheCreatori really need to get a new laptop anyways. something that matches my desktop workstation.
18:31.43SineTheCreatorit'd be nice to work wherever
18:31.48FLHerneSecond-hand of a friend, £140. 12.1" screen, so not much bigger than a netbook
18:31.56SineTheCreatorahh. that's still a good deal
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18:31.59EisNerdyeah thinkpads are cool, I luckily got a W530
18:32.08SineTheCreatorany laptop that runs is worth ~$200 USD
18:32.17FLHerneEisNerd: Wow those things are expensive :P
18:32.35EisNerdyeah as replacement for my broken by design w510
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18:32.50FLHernewould be rather keen on one given umpteen-thousand £
18:33.01SineTheCreatorthinkpads are more or less 100% linux compatible these days aren't they?
18:33.14FLHerneEisNerd: Is the new keyboard as bad as the diehards maintain? :P
18:33.24rurkowcethinkpads were linux compatible pretty much always? :v
18:33.25EisNerdSineTheCreator: the W series run from my point of view better with linux than with win7
18:33.28wgoslingEisNerd: /usr/share/applications and ~/.config/menus on my system
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18:33.41FLHerneSineTheCreator: No problems here
18:33.46SineTheCreatorone cannot simply change the thinkpad keyboard
18:34.01rurkowcewat
18:34.03FLHerneAre there not issues with Optimus on the shiny new ones though?
18:34.07EisNerdFLHerne: no, it is great but some keys are missing that is a bit uncomfortable thats all
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18:34.26SineTheCreatorrurkowce: eh, that depends on the thinkpad. i had a T21 i think, it had a pentium 3. most things were compatible but the NIC was a problem on almost every distro.
18:34.33EisNerdbut typing is better especially the backlight is great when having imperfect light conditions
18:34.51EisNerdFLHerne: optimus works half the way
18:35.04FLHerneEisNerd: I rather disliked the one on an x121e, but dunno if that's comparable to the higher-end ones
18:35.05EisNerdbut you have always the option to use only the dedicated
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18:35.25SineTheCreatori also had a T42 that was quite nice. vga died on that one :(
18:35.27EisNerdthe bettery time is impressive
18:35.35EisNerdI have eysily ~8h
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18:35.57FLHerneEisNerd: I guess it beats an X4500HD by a country mile either way :D
18:36.02EisNerdwith 16G ram and a 4 core i7 somehow extreme
18:36.15FLHerneAw, I only get 4:30, and that's with the radios off :-(
18:36.16EisNerdthe w530 is damn fast
18:36.40EisNerdand I'm still not at max, as I use to the 8G dimm two 4G dimms of my w510
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18:36.58EisNerdI plan to go for 4 correct 8G dimms
18:37.14EisNerdguess it may give an additional boost of 10%
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18:37.57EisNerdI can compile everything in a ramdisk
18:38.07EisNerdespecially nice for libreoffice
18:38.18SineTheCreatorwow the W-series is actually reasonably priced for what you get
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18:38.36EisNerdyeah as student in germany about 1.800
18:38.42wgoslingI have a W-series at work. It is pretty sweet.
18:38.43SineTheCreatorthe current base model has an i7, 8gb of ram, and a 1080p screen for $125 more. total cost is ~$1350
18:38.45EisNerdwith fhd CAD display
18:38.46SineTheCreatorthat isn't bad
18:38.48SineTheCreatorat all
18:39.01SineTheCreatorthe only drawback for me is the nvidia quadro
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18:39.05xixorwhich computer is this?
18:39.16SineTheCreatorthat's great for my video production work but i'd prefer a card that can do gaming well
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18:39.49EisNerdSineTheCreator: not really it is great for image post processing
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18:40.22EisNerdSineTheCreator: LOL you know that the geforce stuff is the bad production for quadro?
18:40.42SineTheCreatorno, i didn't
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18:41.07SineTheCreatorare you sure about that? i'm almost certain that the geforce and quadro lines are two totally different production lines
18:41.09EisNerdSineTheCreator: believe me evey CAD certified gpu loughs about lifting the gaming work of the comparable gaming gpu
18:41.19SineTheCreatoreh, ok
18:41.24EisNerdthe same for ati as for nvidia
18:41.41SineTheCreatorin any case, if i were to get a new laptop anytime soon, that would probably be the one
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18:41.45EisNerdthere are often problems with the memory channels
18:41.49SineTheCreatori bet it's OS X compatible as well
18:41.53EisNerdso the disable for geforce the half
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18:42.07EisNerdSineTheCreator: no due to missing certificate in efi
18:42.16SineTheCreatorEisNerd: hackintosh.
18:42.20FLHerneDownside with NVIDIA stuff is the lack of proper drivers, of course :-(
18:42.26SineTheCreatorzero f's are given about missing certificates
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18:42.44SineTheCreatorFLHerne: on which platform?
18:43.00FLHerneSineTheCreator: Linux, of course...
18:43.05EisNerdFLHerne: hm it works well enough
18:43.25SineTheCreatorFLHerne: ahh. well, my usage targets would be OS X 10.8.x (for FCPX) and Windows 7/8 for everything else
18:43.32SineTheCreatori wouldn't be too worried about nvidia performance in linux
18:43.36EisNerdanyway, btt could someone tell me where the files for kde menu are located?
18:43.42EisNerdSineTheCreator: it is great
18:43.59EisNerdbut I mainly use the k1000 for darktable
18:44.08EisNerdthis was the job killing my w510
18:44.16FLHerneSineTheCreator: It's not the performance, it's the ability to make it play well with overcomplicated display setups
18:44.17EisNerddarktable opencl has boiled the gpu
18:44.30SineTheCreatorah
18:44.32EisNerdFLHerne: no problem
18:44.47SineTheCreatorFLHerne: shouldn't that be fairly easy to do with xrandr?
18:44.57EisNerdFLHerne: or, well currently I'm in optimus mode, so I can't use my external ports
18:45.21FLHerneTry getting either proprietary driver to work well with multiseat, with a portrait and landscape screen for each seat :P
18:45.21EisNerdbut on my w510 which has only the nvidia it where working perfectly
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18:45.32FLHerneIf you make it work with fglrx, tell me :D
18:45.33EisNerdFLHerne: on a laptop?
18:45.44EisNerdnah fglrx is a pita
18:46.05EisNerdnvidia is a lot more comfortable
18:46.16FLHerneEisNerd: Indeed. I had a Quadro a couple of years back though, that was a PITA too
18:46.33EisNerdI expect for every greater release more xranr 1.4 capabilitys
18:47.25wgoslingEisNerd: Menus are under /usr/share/applications and ~/.config/menus on my system
18:50.18EisNerdwgosling: thx
18:50.29EisNerdmaybe someone should update documentation
18:50.33EisNerdhttp://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/KDE_Filesystem_Hierarchy
18:51.48EisNerduh and where are the .desktop files?
18:55.18SineTheCreatorFLHerne: heh... 100% cpu usage pegged
18:55.48FLHerneSineTheCreator: Ooh, great :P
18:55.54SineTheCreatormemory usage is okay, but x.org is super hungry
18:56.04SineTheCreatorit's using 25-50% of cpu on it's own D:
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18:56.36SineTheCreatorit's too bad, it sure looks nice :(
18:56.52FLHerneHave you turned off file indexing?
18:57.07SineTheCreatorno
18:57.23SineTheCreatorcompositing is also on. i'm sure that isn't helping things
18:57.23FLHerneAssuming Debian has KDE < 4.10, do :P
18:57.35SineTheCreatornah, this is 4.8.x
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18:58.41EisNerdyeah ram is coool, I have run a find over my huge home half a hour ago
18:58.53EisNerdno idea how long it has needed
18:59.10EisNerdnow I've done another find it has only needed some seconds
19:00.04SineTheCreatorhow do i disable nepomuk?
19:00.08SineTheCreatorit is using tons of cpu
19:00.59cb400fusually you just want to disable indexing.. or you'll cripple a bunch of apps
19:01.04cb400fand it's done in systemsettings
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19:01.42SineTheCreatorthanks
19:02.01EisNerdthx I found what I was looking for
19:02.20SineTheCreatorhmm
19:02.26SineTheCreatori can't find it in system settings
19:02.39EisNerdnow I have enough space, to take down all the pictures of my little daugther :)
19:02.51EisNerddslrs are bad
19:02.59cb400fhint: look for "desktop search"
19:03.02EisNerdfilling harddisks is so easy
19:03.03SineTheCreatorahh i found it, under desktop search
19:03.06SineTheCreatorthanks
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19:06.50SineTheCreatori'll stick with trinity. this is nearly unuseable :(
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20:23.26AienaDoes anyone know how to enable pulseaudio  monitors
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20:25.21BluesKajAiena, monitors ?  do you mean audio input and output settings ?
20:25.59AienaBluesKaj I want to allow audacity to receive input directly from my soundcard
20:26.06AienaI could do that easily on xfce
20:26.13Aienabut I am struggling to figure it out on KDE
20:26.15Aienaany idea
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20:27.36BluesKajhave you checked your alsamixer settings and installing pavucontrol will help solidify your input and outputs as well
20:28.07Aienawill pavucontrol work properly side by side with kmix etc.
20:28.17BluesKajAiena, yes
20:28.22Aienaok
20:28.24Aienawill try
20:28.47BluesKajAiena, are you familiar with alsamixer ?
20:28.55Aienaa bit
20:29.01Aienai run it from terminal
20:29.01BluesKajok , good
20:29.06BluesKajyes
20:29.15Aienaand can choose my soundcard settings from there
20:29.20Aienabut advanced I dont know
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20:30.09lordievaderAiena: Do you want to record the output of your soundcard? Or am I missing something?
20:30.29Aienayes output of my soundcard
20:30.31Aienadirectly in audacity
20:31.06lordievaderAiena: Then this might interest you: http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/Tutorial_-_Recording_Computer_Playback_on_Linux
20:32.12BluesKajin system settings>multimedia>phonon>device preference , choose you soundcard  from the list and run the test , move it to the top click apply , then choose apply device list to
20:32.18BluesKajand apply
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20:34.05doublephello.  is it possible to disable mouse pointer location function activated with ctrl+win?
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20:38.46Aienalordievader thaks a lot
20:38.53Aienathe link was helpful :)
20:39.02AienaIt led me in the right direction.
20:39.05lordievaderAiena: No problem, glad I could help.
20:41.41BluesKajgoodol' audacity , nice to see ppl still using it :)
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20:51.23AienaBluesKaj Its much more powerful than it looks. It doesn;t have the fanciest UI but it is fantastic and getting the job done.
20:51.47AienaBlueKaj had to tweak alsamixer too to get the optimal results
20:52.06Aienabut now I have acheived my objective so I'm happy.
20:52.47AienaI;ve been looking for a solution for ages.
20:52.57Aienathanks a million BluesKaj, lordievader
20:53.18lordievaderAiena: :)
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20:53.56Aienahmm but there is now a minor issue
20:54.08AienaI am able to record in audacity from my soundcard
20:54.14Aienabut there is no audio playback
20:54.38Aienaaudacity is working as its supposed to. THe signal is getting lost somewhere else.
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20:54.49AienaI know its not an audacity bug.
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20:56.59willybilly0101hi, I get $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server.
20:57.04willybilly0101when doing startkde
20:58.16Moviurowillybilly0101: did you login as user? or su - user ?
20:58.27willybilly0101as user
20:58.33willybilly0101KDM does not start either
20:58.35Moviuroalso, is the X server on?
20:58.45Moviurowillybilly0101: do you get a XTerm ?
20:58.49willybilly0101startx shows similar eror
20:59.00Moviurowillybilly0101: Which distro are you using?
20:59.03willybilly0101(EE)
20:59.03willybilly0101Fatal server error:
20:59.03willybilly0101(EE) no screens found(EE)
20:59.06willybilly0101#archlinux
20:59.10willybilly0101:)
20:59.14lordievaderAiena: I have done a similair thing in the past, though I have forgotten how. I believe there was some feed-monitor button/switch.
20:59.24willybilly0101journal looks fine
20:59.35Moviurowillybilly0101: you should ask on their channel: it seems X related
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20:59.48Moviurowillybilly0101: did you follow the guide?
21:00.09willybilly0101found the error
21:00.12willybilly0101wow
21:00.14willybilly0101thanks
21:00.27MoviuroDid I help? ^_^
21:00.34willybilly0101I added by mistake .. in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf
21:00.34MoviuroAnd how did I help?
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21:00.45willybilly0101yes, you help with xserver
21:00.55willybilly0101it was simple but I was stupid
21:01.03Aienalordievader I think so theres an audacity issue
21:01.05Moviurowell, if everything is back into order :)
21:01.11willybilly0101thanks
21:01.16AienaI think PA is not detectibting audacities o/p
21:01.21willybilly0101going in GUI too much console :)
21:02.45lordievaderAiena: In Audacity the output is directed toward PA? In pavucontrol do you see the playback meter for Audacity jumping around?
21:03.14Aienaactually there is no audacity listed in pavucontrol
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21:03.17Aienain general
21:03.21Aienaall output
21:03.31Aienais shown through the alsa plugin option
21:03.39Aienathat meter moves if i play from youtube etc
21:03.41lordievaderAiena: Then the output is not routed to PA.
21:03.59Aienathen what to do
21:03.59lordievaderAiena: Check the audio settings withing Audacity.
21:04.41Aienalordievader in audacity hos is ALSA playback device is my card itself
21:04.45Aiena*host
21:05.01AienaI remember when I was in xubuntu there was a PA option within audacity
21:05.19lordievaderAiena: There should be.
21:05.25Aienain kde suse I am mot finding that option.
21:05.40Aienabut recording is directly working
21:05.50AienaI don't know it it is recording dorectly through ALSA
21:05.50lordievaderAiena: Haven't got it installed here, so I cannot play around with it/check things.
21:06.19Aienalrod the alsamixer capture settings seem to affect recording.
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21:06.38Aienaso I guess its taking data directly from ALSA
21:06.49Aienabut PA should take data sent to ALSA too right
21:06.58MoviuroIs there an option to click through a window in KDE? I remember it being speaken of... not sure if inKDE or some extra KWin script/effect
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21:08.18lordievaderAiena: No, ALSA is what PA uses underneath. Or that is the way I understand things.
21:08.27Aienaok
21:09.24AienaON xubuntu I never had problems had to shift to suse because kubuntu has too big fonts (:
21:09.31Aienaand I needed KDE
21:09.33lordievaderAiena: An old Ubuntu help doc says that you need to select "ALSA: pulse" in the Audacity settings.
21:09.34Aienafor kde apps
21:09.41MoviuroAlso, is there a way to always have a preloaded instance of the Konsole ?
21:09.47Aienathere is no alsa pulse
21:09.54Aienathats the oddest thing
21:10.07Aienain other distro i had a device called "pulseaudio"
21:10.17Aienawhich is not showing up at all on opensuse
21:10.34AienaI coudl choose between pa and ALSA
21:11.31lordievaderAiena: I'm going to install it on my Kubuntu machine, see how things are these days. You can ask around in #opensuse (if such a channel exists). Since this is a more distro specific topic.
21:11.40Aienawait
21:11.46AienaI think so got it sorted out
21:12.10Aienaswitching to default device automagically fixed pklayback in audacity
21:12.14Aienasomething funny had happened
21:12.41Aienalordievader suse was totally mum
21:12.48AienaI tried asking in multiple channels
21:12.58Aienauntill you gave me the right pointers
21:13.02lordievaderAiena: Interesting, under host only ALSA is available. Under device however there is a 'pulse' option.
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21:13.28Aienaactually I think uder host only ALSA should be there
21:13.52Aienaas for pulse yeah no pulse but it all seems to work well
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21:15.15Aienamaybe buntu has put the pulse option
21:15.16lordievaderAiena: When setting the host to ALSA and the device to pulse Audacity shows up under pavucontrol running under the Alsa Plugin.
21:15.55lordievaderAiena: Perhaps you may need some audacity-pulse package or something.
21:16.05Aienaprobably
21:16.15Aienamaybe buntu istalls it side by side
21:16.22Aienaalong with audacity
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21:18.29lordievaderAiena: Perhaps, or it is included in the base package.
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21:28.06Aienamaybe
21:28.26Aienabut it seems to be something of buntu and maybe that tut was made from a buntu distro.
21:28.49AienaBut I;ve got everything to work well on suse without the pulse option with your pointers
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21:29.14Aienaso wether it is there or not there does not make a difference :) I have acheived the goal with your help.
21:29.30AienaNight lordievader . take care.
21:29.33Aiena*whether
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21:38.44basic6Is there a better alternative to the KDE apprunner? Not sure what to look for, not sure how such a program is called (Alt + F2 in pretty much all DEs). KDE's apprunner is way too slow (takes forever to show up) and sometimes has to be clicked (enter doesn't always work for some reason)
21:39.58Moviurobasic6: it's called krunner and... basically does everything (even your tea!)
21:40.13Moviurohttp://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Krunner
21:40.40Moviurobasic6: depends on your machine though... and version of KDE (it's been slugish until 4.8 IIRC)
21:40.57inkjetunitogood evening. when clicking the toolbox thingy on the desktop, the appearing menu has some sort of a current selection highlighter. it's slowly following the cursor. is there a way to make it faster or disable it?
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21:42.16basic6Moviuro: krunner - thats it, thanks. i often run cpu intensive processes, so simple things like krunner take forever to show up. then it starts to fade this  menu in whenever i type something. granted, it's pretty, but all i want is a textbox where i type a command, that's fast
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21:43.07Moviurobasic6: how about konsole in background-mode or yakuake? (I never have used any other runner than krunner ;) )
21:43.45Moviuroinkjetunito: toolbox thingy is not quite understandable, please precise :)
21:44.07basic6Moviuro: plus there's that buggy behavior that enter won't work if i typed while the menu was fading in
21:44.08Moviurois reading krunner's handbook... pretty much he didn't know!
21:44.16basic6Moviuro: i'm already using guake
21:44.58Moviurobasic6: with a "g" init, it doesn't sound quite KDEish... ;) but that's not the trouble. I'm sorry I can't help you basic6
21:45.06basic6don't get me wrong, i love KDE and like most things in KDE, krunner looks really nice. but it's just too slow.
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21:47.26unutulmusolanhi i have problems with calibrating a wacom(cintiq) tablet. Active area bigger than screen so i cant calibrate correctly
21:47.37unutulmusolancan someone help me?
21:48.15inkjetunitoMoviuro: upper right edge http://imgur.com/TQ97raD
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21:49.10Moviurobasic6: well, I don't find so :>
21:49.39Moviuroinkjetunito: nope, nothing you can change
21:49.52Moviurounless you modify your plasma theme and edit some svg files
21:50.42inkjetunitoMoviuro: i'm annoyed because of the delay. i'm quite sure the highlighter could move faster it was allowed to
21:51.25Moviuroinkjetunito: move your mouse slowlier... ;þ
21:51.34inkjetunitoMoviuro: heh. thanks
21:51.45Moviuroinkjetunito: how often do you use this menu?
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21:52.08basic6ok i found something called synapse (ctrl+space), it's faster and it even looks pretty
21:52.15inkjetunitoMoviuro: not that often, but same kind of highlighting is being used in the application launcher menu
21:52.32Moviuroinkjetunito: it's plasma's theme one
21:52.54inkjetunitoMoviuro: interesting. thanks
21:52.58shumskiinkjetunito: what are you trying to achieve?
21:53.48inkjetunitoshumski: faster browsing inside the application launcher menu
21:54.08shumskiinkjetunito: ok. that is not related in any way to plasma theme
21:55.49inkjetunitoshumski: is it related to the slowly moving highlighter in the screenshot above?
21:56.28shumskiinkjetunito: plasma themeing is related to colors, appearence, etc, but not how fast it goes
21:56.54Moviuronah, that's no application launcher ><"
21:57.11inkjetunitoshumski: i see. ty
21:57.46inkjetunitoMoviuro: yes, that's not the application launcher menu. it's just another example
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21:59.25Moviuroinkjetunito: use the "classic menu", the one depending on your Qt theme:
21:59.43inkjetunitoMoviuro: yup. that's what i use :)
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22:00.40Moviuroso why ask about the other one (kickoff)? http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/20/plasma-desktopDXe435.png
22:02.39inkjetunitoMoviuro: because that's a small distrurbing detail. i'm trying out a beta :)
22:03.08Moviuroinkjetunito: remind me to ask for more details next time I try to help ;)
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22:03.18Moviurobasic6: you could try to disable krunner's plugins
22:03.32inkjetunitoMoviuro: ok
22:03.33Moviurobasic6: click on the Wrench, untick any useless things
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22:05.40zipperWhat does this  mean? Bell in session 'Shell' It popped up as a notification in KDE.
22:06.32inkjetunitoMoviuro: this is the first version of 4.x that i've used for longer than a hour of two. works great, finally :)
22:07.11Moviurozipper: you tried to go to high or too low in the shell
22:07.21Moviuro(Shift+PgUP/DOWN)
22:07.39Moviurothese usually make a "bell" ring
22:07.56Moviuroinkjetunito: hopefully you're using one of the latest...?
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22:09.14zipperMoviuro I was using vim and was scrolling to the bottom so  at the time so I guess I understand.
22:09.17voltyhi, my plasma-active-imageviewer shows garbage when opening pictures
22:09.22voltyany idea how to fix this?
22:09.57Moviuronever got how it worked...
22:10.12Moviurozipper: yes, this happens to me too
22:10.39inkjetunitoMoviuro: yeah. shouldn't be more than few weeks old
22:10.59zipperSo it's not KDE specific?
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22:11.09Moviuroinkjetunito: It would be bad to ask for support for KDE 4.0 ;þ
22:11.11zipperMoviuro
22:11.29Moviurozipper: I think it's specific to Konsole, yes
22:11.56zipperOh I get it now. Thanks
22:12.32Moviurozipper: Konsole is pretty clever ;) lets you open links, paste things, among others
22:12.52Moviurobut I never took the time to check all its capabilities
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22:14.29MoviuroOh my, krunner is so versatile... it's awesome :) (well, no, it's KDE but still...)
22:14.53MoviuroOK guys, going to sleep
22:15.21Moviurogood night and good luck for those still having some troubles ;)
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22:19.31killownsomeone help me, kde is not working right with twinview it see two monitors as one screen, that's pretty much a bug, when I maximize a window it will be extended on both monitor
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22:41.40killownplease? I am trying to fix that for ages
22:41.52killownand seems that kde is not good for multi monitors
22:42.10killownnot only kde, gnome too
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22:52.27sam113101_killown: works just fine for me
22:53.03killownsam113101_, twinview mode?
22:53.55sam113101_no
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22:57.27killownmy problem is with twinviewmode
22:57.35killownusing separated screens it will work
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23:15.19mmargolionoi use tvinview and have no problem
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23:24.59killownmmargoliono, three monitors?
23:25.17killownI have 3
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23:37.09camulusmmargoliono: what is TV in view?
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