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| 00:31.17 | bleomycin | anyone know of a linux equivalent of networx? something to graph network traffic from another device via snmp in real time on the desktop? |
| 00:31.43 | DaZ | no |
| 00:31.50 | PovAddict | I know nothing about snmp |
| 00:31.51 | DaZ | but we can offer you a great desktop environment |
| 00:32.27 | PovAddict | bleomycin: search for the word 'snmp' in your distro's package manager :) |
| 00:32.28 | DaZ | sir, could you spare a moment for Konqi |
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| 01:06.00 | killown | why kmixer only shows apps volume slides when veromix is started? |
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| 01:54.33 | freeedrich| | killown: probably because only then pulseaudio is started/used |
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| 02:48.43 | WhitePelican | how do I use facebook chat in Kopete? |
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| 02:52.54 | Penguiniator | WhitePelican: Have a look at http://www.maketecheasier.com/configure-kopete-to-use-facebooks-new-xmpp-chat/2010/02/15 |
| 02:53.42 | WhitePelican | I've seen messages on line that say it doesn't work anymore |
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| 02:57.07 | Penguiniator | Hmm... since last year it would seem |
| 02:59.11 | WhitePelican | indeed |
| 02:59.45 | WhitePelican | someone probably changed the protocol |
| 03:00.00 | WhitePelican | happens a lot unfortunately |
| 03:01.48 | WhitePelican | I saw also it no longer works in ayttm |
| 03:02.22 | WhitePelican | and lately in Pidgin, all you see is some strange number |
| 03:10.33 | Penguiniator | It seems rude when they make unannounced changes and leave you out in the cold. |
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| 03:16.00 | WhitePelican | agreed |
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| 03:17.11 | Roey | hello |
| 03:17.51 | Roey | in using the latest KDE, I have Present Windows configured to trigger when the mouse hits the bottom edge of the screen.. only that now I only see the bottom edge of the screen lighting up, but no Present Windows... (it still works if I type the shortcut key though) |
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| 03:41.14 | killown | <freeedrich|> killown: probably because only then pulseaudio is started/used |
| 03:41.21 | killown | killown@killown:~$ pulseaudio |
| 03:41.22 | killown | E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. |
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| 03:41.45 | killown | even so kmix does not works properly |
| 03:41.52 | killown | then it needs veromix |
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| 06:01.25 | reactormonk | what's the standard kde license? |
| 06:02.14 | thiago | GPLv2 for the applications, LGPLv2.1 for the libraries |
| 06:06.58 | reactormonk | kk |
| 06:07.06 | thiago | any reason you ask? |
| 06:07.32 | reactormonk | thiago, https://github.com/Tass/nim-kwin-tiling |
| 06:07.49 | thiago | what am I looking at there and what for? |
| 06:08.13 | reactormonk | thiago, lemme write a readme. |
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| 06:13.42 | reactormonk | thiago, does that help? |
| 06:14.25 | thiago | no |
| 06:14.43 | reactormonk | dang |
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| 06:15.07 | thiago | besides the relationship with kwin, I don't see why you asked the question about licensing |
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| 06:16.05 | reactormonk | thiago, not sure how I should license it. I picked GPLv2 for now. |
| 06:16.30 | thiago | ok |
| 06:16.34 | thiago | that explains |
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| 08:24.33 | roasted | hello friends |
| 08:24.48 | roasted | is there a way to set things up, without fstab, to have samba shares streamable for videos? |
| 08:25.06 | roasted | I installed kubuntu on my laptop and was beyond agitated that I could not stream any videos from my server. Made approximately 0 sense. |
| 08:25.46 | roasted | I understand the mechanics behind why this is an issue, but I'm just wondering why there's no alternative that works out of the box to amplify the KDE user experience. |
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| 08:34.00 | valorie | roasted: can't say I've ever heard request for such a capability |
| 08:34.14 | valorie | do you have a favorite package you have used in other distros? |
| 08:34.28 | valorie | err, other desktops? |
| 08:34.29 | roasted | valorie: you haven't heard of a request to play videos from a samba-based file server on a LAN? |
| 08:35.01 | valorie | you mean you want to watch videos from your own server? |
| 08:35.03 | bonsaikitten | roasted: works for me, but then I'm not a *buntu user |
| 08:35.09 | valorie | or that you want to stream to the web |
| 08:35.35 | roasted | valorie: yes, I have a server running samba - I smb://ip.to.server, click video, bam it works (on other DEs that is) |
| 08:35.36 | valorie | watching videos should be trivial |
| 08:35.37 | roasted | valorie: on KDE, nope. |
| 08:35.49 | roasted | it SHOULD be. But in KDE, it seems to be quite an uphill battle. |
| 08:36.20 | valorie | so dragon doesn't open up and play your vid? |
| 08:36.49 | valorie | or vlc or mplayer or whatever you have chosen |
| 08:37.07 | roasted | dragon and vlc do not out of the box. |
| 08:37.19 | roasted | in vlc you can go into advanced settings and adjust the smb protocol I believe. |
| 08:37.20 | valorie | interesting |
| 08:37.40 | roasted | but it still begs the obvious question, why is this capability buried in an alternative video player in advanced preferences |
| 08:37.50 | roasted | why not built into dragon player out of the box so users don't try this and get discouraged. |
| 08:37.58 | roasted | this makes gvfs look freakin amazing. |
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| 08:40.37 | valorie | roasted: I guess I would suggest filing a bug against dragon; this does seem to be a basic capability |
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| 08:41.09 | roasted | valorie: indeed. |
| 08:41.32 | roasted | valorie: I haven't used KDE for a while, but I revisited it across a few distros throughout the last 2 weeks. I keep thinking, HOW is this still an issue? This screams "hey what's up 1999?" |
| 08:42.14 | valorie | I'm not a dragon devel, so I can't tell you |
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| 09:29.32 | monk | anyone can help me with beshell? |
| 09:29.39 | monk | i have downloaded kde4.9 |
| 09:29.55 | monk | but when I try build beshell it fails on make |
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| 09:32.31 | monk | http://pastebin.centos.org/3703/ here is the output of make |
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| 11:45.48 | Moviuro | monk: you should try with KDE 4.10.5 |
| 11:46.01 | Moviuro | monk: works without a problem here on Archlinux |
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| 12:51.56 | mac^^^ | DaZ: when I left click and drag cursor over a few lines, I'd like to print ONLY those lines |
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| 13:07.55 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
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| 13:38.28 | SilverCode | can anyone think of a reason why KMail would be sending mails with a time of 1 hour in the past? |
| 13:38.42 | SilverCode | i've checked my timezone settings and that is correct |
| 13:38.52 | Moviuro | SilverCode: you discovered the time-machine! |
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| 13:39.33 | SilverCode | Moviuro: I have thought about that, and had to saldy rule it out based on me not winning any lottos |
| 13:39.51 | Moviuro | :-/ |
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| 15:00.24 | killown | why kmixer only shows apps volume slides when veromix is started? |
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| 15:00.30 | killown | E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. |
| 15:00.34 | killown | even so kmix does not works properly |
| 15:00.38 | killown | then it needs veromix |
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| 15:03.10 | rdieter | killown: distro, kde version? |
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| 15:03.58 | rdieter | works for me on fedora with kde-4.10.x, for what it's worth |
| 15:04.24 | killown | rdieter, archlinux , kde 4.10 |
| 15:04.44 | rdieter | ok, i'd suggest asking your distro folks first then |
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| 15:05.25 | rdieter | my kmix systray applet shows app sliders fine (once the app is started, of course) |
| 15:06.06 | rdieter | not sure what veromix does to make it work for you. that's... wierd. |
| 15:06.21 | killown | it won't work, they will tell me to use this channel |
| 15:06.32 | killown | it's a kde question |
| 15:06.54 | killown | veromix starts something that is necessary for kmix |
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| 15:07.19 | rdieter | ok, as it usually "just works", I'm still tempted to say it's specific to your box or distro. |
| 15:07.39 | rdieter | do you have pavucontrol available? |
| 15:08.07 | rdieter | might be worth seeing if it sees the app volumes prior to running veromix either. it may be a pulseaudio problem then |
| 15:08.25 | killown | I tried start pavucontrol |
| 15:08.28 | killown | then kmix |
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| 15:08.37 | killown | kmix remains by not working properly |
| 15:08.47 | killown | only veromix fix it |
| 15:08.52 | rdieter | does pavucontrol list the items you expect in the playback tab? |
| 15:09.05 | killown | yes, it does list |
| 15:09.10 | rdieter | wierd |
| 15:09.50 | rdieter | if you right click kmix systray-> restore, do these same apps show in the 'playback streams' tab? |
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| 15:10.32 | rdieter | if not, what *is* listed there? anything? |
| 15:10.43 | killown | it shows know apps listed |
| 15:10.50 | rdieter | nothing? |
| 15:10.52 | killown | now* |
| 15:11.13 | killown | rdieter, let me restart the X |
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| 15:14.33 | killown | rdale, http://i.imgur.com/QQFY8xK.png <- not working now |
| 15:14.47 | killown | and I am running chromium and playing a youtube video |
| 15:14.57 | killown | it should show the app there |
| 15:14.59 | rdieter | killown: in particular, I'm curious if the available playback streams from pavucontrol and kmix do not match |
| 15:15.52 | rdieter | I don't see any tab labelled 'playback streams' in that screenshot |
| 15:16.40 | killown | rdieter, http://i.imgur.com/FcsNTS8.png |
| 15:17.31 | rdieter | it appears your kmix may not have been built with pulseaudio support |
| 15:17.55 | rdieter | your kmix window still shows no tab labeled 'playback streams' |
| 15:18.33 | rdieter | have I mentioned this is probably a distro problem? :) |
| 15:18.37 | killown | rdieter, it is built with pulseaudio support ¬¬ |
| 15:18.45 | killown | the apps is listed there |
| 15:18.51 | killown | after I start veromix |
| 15:18.52 | CJWij | so when is KDE getting a decent SSH agent? |
| 15:19.00 | killown | then I can close veromix and it will remains working |
| 15:19.09 | rdieter | killown: show me the kmix tab "playback streams". do you have one? |
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| 15:21.18 | rdieter | killown: should look something like this, http://rdieter.fedorapeople.org/kmix.png |
| 15:22.17 | DaZ | why would kde need a ssh agent? >: |
| 15:22.42 | rdieter | killown: if built without pulseaudio support (or if env var KMIX_PULSEAUDIO_DISABLE=1 is set), kmix looks like your screenshot |
| 15:22.44 | DaZ | it works pretty swell with the normal ssh-agent |
| 15:22.47 | killown | rdieter, strangely it appeared now |
| 15:22.54 | killown | maybe after start pavucontrol |
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| 15:26.13 | killown | rdieter works if I close kmix and run it through the CLI |
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| 15:28.39 | rdieter | could be your system is autostarting kmix/pulseaudio in the wrong order |
| 15:28.44 | rdieter | ie, kmix first, then pulseaudio |
| 15:29.45 | rdieter | or some startup race, pulseaudio starts, but it finishes to slowly |
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| 15:30.42 | killown | oh yeah |
| 15:30.45 | killown | like that |
| 15:31.27 | killown | I have start-pulseaudio-kde here |
| 15:32.21 | rdieter | kmix_autostart.desktop contains, X-KDE-autostart-after=panel , so it's suppose to start relatively late on login |
| 15:38.55 | killown | rdieter, thank you, I will try to fix this by myself |
| 15:39.12 | xxtjaxx | Hi! Which part of KDE-Services is responsible for the suspend action. I have a feeling the last update might have done something to it. Atleast it doesn't suspend on its own. running pm-suspend however works. |
| 15:41.20 | rdieter | xxtjaxx: "Power Management" kded module i believe |
| 15:42.02 | cb400f | suspects "last update" includes kernel updates, upower updates and whatnot also |
| 15:42.33 | xxtjaxx | cb400f: as mentioned pm-suspend works. Its a debian unstable. |
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| 15:43.49 | xxtjaxx | cb400f: Unless that is not connected to pm-suspen[4~d? |
| 15:44.37 | cb400f | kernel breakage would prolly affect pm-suspend too... don't think upower regressions would |
| 15:44.46 | cb400f | and kde/powerdevil uses upower |
| 15:45.16 | cb400f | upower, being a freedesktop.org thingy should always be a main suspect >:-) |
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| 15:47.58 | CJWij | so when is KDE getting a decent SSH agent? |
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| 15:48.41 | rdieter | CJWij: tried ksshaskpass? |
| 15:48.55 | CJWij | rdieter: doesnt play well with qt-creator |
| 15:49.21 | rdieter | it's just a gui to cli ssh-agent |
| 15:49.30 | rdieter | so ssh-agent itself doesn't work either? |
| 15:49.49 | CJWij | no clue |
| 15:50.10 | rdieter | sounds like more a ssh-agent problem, less a kde one then |
| 15:51.23 | rdieter | though it would be nice to have a complete replacement perhaps, like gnome's seahorse |
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| 15:53.45 | xxtjaxx | thats interesting. If I run the "Suspend" option at first a IO Spike appears then the screenlocker then nothing. |
| 15:54.19 | rdieter | xxtjaxx: what version of upower/systemd ? |
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| 15:55.32 | rdieter | if using upower-0.9.20, then you need at least systemd-198 |
| 15:56.06 | rdieter | (upower-0.9.20 dropped support for handling suspend/hibernate, etc...) |
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| 15:56.53 | xxtjaxx | rdieter: UPower client version 0.9.21 |
| 15:57.25 | rdieter | and systemd ? |
| 15:59.00 | xxtjaxx | rdieter: says here 204-2 |
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| 15:59.48 | rdieter | ok, good. |
| 16:00.02 | rdieter | xxtjaxx: another test, you already said pm-suspend works, does this? |
| 16:00.05 | rdieter | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.19 | rdieter | if not, it confirms some sort of systemd problem |
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| 16:04.41 | xxtjaxx | rdieter: Are you sure its called login1 necessarily? I get these here: http://paste.debian.net/22979/ when I'm tabbing |
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| 16:06.30 | rdieter | xxtjaxx: yes, I'm sure |
| 16:07.32 | rdieter | ir you have no org.freedesktop.login1, that would certainly explain why it's not working. |
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| 16:08.10 | xxtjaxx | rdieter: http://paste.debian.net/22980/ << can you explain that? I have no idea about these things. |
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| 16:08.18 | rdieter | xxtjaxx: try running: systemd-loginctl |
| 16:08.26 | rdieter | does it list your login session? |
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| 16:08.50 | xxtjaxx | I believe my system does not use nor runs systemd |
| 16:08.52 | rdieter | starting to sound like you have a misconfigured box |
| 16:09.18 | rdieter | xxtjaxx: no systemd login1 support means to suspend/hibernate/etc |
| 16:09.25 | rdieter | or... downgrade to upower-0.9.19 |
| 16:09.35 | rdieter | s/means to/means no/ |
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| 16:09.51 | rdieter | xxtjaxx: time to talk to your distro |
| 16:10.15 | shumski | it supports suspend, hibernate, etc, just needs --enable-deprecated flag when building... |
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| 16:10.48 | ray__ | Hello, i am new to KDE, and I have to say for all the time I disliked it, it's a rather neat environment. I am checking if I can use it as my primary system (coming from Mac/Gnome) and one of my bigger issues is that I am very spoiled with "Billings" and "Billings touch" for mac. Is there something along the line available in K? I checked out kraft but it's really basic and it does not seem to have any connection with ktimetracker, which is a |
| 16:10.48 | ray__ | pitty, is there a good, ktimetracker integrated billing software for kde? |
| 16:10.53 | rdieter | shumski: oh? ok, I thought it was fully removed from upower. |
| 16:10.58 | rdieter | good to know |
| 16:11.06 | shumski | nope |
| 16:11.16 | xxtjaxx | rdieter: Thanks. I will see if I can install sytemd and maybe even fix a couple other gripes I had aswell. |
| 16:11.17 | shumski | it's a hidden feature:-) |
| 16:11.31 | rdieter | xxtjaxx: shumski's suggestion may be the easier way out |
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| 16:12.16 | xxtjaxx | rdieter: Nah. Its about time I spent a moment to learn how it works |
| 16:12.24 | shumski | check upower package changelog,that should provide some more insight |
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| 16:19.17 | GiGaHuRtZ | Is it possible to tab windows together in kwin? I dont see the option anywhere when right clicking the title bar. I was curious cause I had read some posts from 2009 on blogs that said the feature was added, looked useful for some things. |
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| 16:20.40 | thiago | the feature has been removed because it was broken and no one was maintaining it |
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| 17:24.49 | CJWij | i really wish i could pin applications to my taskb ar |
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| 17:38.41 | Moviuro | CJWij: it is possible with the default one |
| 17:39.50 | Moviuro | CJWij: right click the running app, tick "Show launcher when application is not running" |
| 17:39.54 | Moviuro | CJWij: Envjoy |
| 17:40.50 | Moviuro | BTW, Is there any completely stupid plasmoid that would just simply display the output of a {,ba,z,fi,k}sh command? |
| 17:41.56 | Moviuro | And by stupid, I mean stupid. Like just font adjustement and that's it. No background, just a command's output. (and perhaps also a refresh rate, but this can be put in the command to display) |
| 17:42.27 | Moviuro | CJWij: it is also possible with the icon only taskbar |
| 17:42.56 | Moviuro | please highlight me |
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| 17:49.38 | lord_rob | Hi ! Anyone knows if SFLphone can send DTMF codes ? |
| 17:51.53 | goldkatze | lord_rob: It's outlined in great detail here http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sflphone+dtmf ;) |
| 17:54.44 | lainlives | CJWij: show launcher while running does such a thing |
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| 17:54.47 | lainlives | windows 7 style |
| 17:54.55 | lainlives | while not running* |
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| 17:57.23 | lord_rob | goldkatze: that's the kind of thing I've already tried thank you |
| 18:00.18 | goldkatze | lord_rob: Well, you will have seen at first glance: yes it supports DTMF, so why do you ask? |
| 18:00.22 | goldkatze | o.O |
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| 18:02.54 | acerspyro | Hello, when I play music and another sound plays, the music cuts. It's probably due to phonon not having enough audio channels. But where do I set that? |
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| 18:06.46 | goldkatze | acerspyro: Be certain both sounds pass through phonon by using two KDE4 applications. rule out pulse-audio, if installed, by trying paplay twice at the same time. then try simply switching the phonon backend by installing another one and setting it in systemsettings -> Hardware -> Multimedia -> Phonon -> Backend. |
| 18:06.54 | goldkatze | acerspyro: That'd be my course of action. |
| 18:07.07 | acerspyro | goldkatze: Plasma sounds and Amarok player |
| 18:08.23 | goldkatze | that would certainly be passed through phonon then. dunno if it might go through pulse, too, as i never had/kept it installed. |
| 18:08.52 | acerspyro | The only backend available is Phonon GStreamer |
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| 18:10.01 | acerspyro | I just tried test-playing the long KDE login song and my music cutted completely |
| 18:10.43 | goldkatze | acerspyro: typically only one gets installed by distro; install more. |
| 18:11.04 | acerspyro | ',:[ ? |
| 18:11.47 | goldkatze | acerspyro: what's your distribution? ubuntu? /join ##ubuntu and ask how to install stuff. |
| 18:11.54 | acerspyro | openSUSE |
| 18:12.05 | acerspyro | I know how to install stuff |
| 18:12.12 | goldkatze | So install more backends… |
| 18:12.15 | acerspyro | Just didn't know what you meant |
| 18:12.17 | acerspyro | ok |
| 18:12.23 | acerspyro | like alsa? |
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| 18:13.39 | goldkatze | acerspyro: No. This is how sound flows: File <> Player Application <> Phonon ( <> Pulse ) <> ALSA or OSS <> Hardware |
| 18:14.00 | acerspyro | OH |
| 18:14.05 | acerspyro | ok |
| 18:14.30 | goldkatze | Install more phonon backends, switch to them as explained, see what happens. test pulse as explained; if it breaks, fix or uninstall it -- see if it helps. |
| 18:14.47 | acerspyro | ok |
| 18:14.58 | goldkatze | runs off |
| 18:15.03 | goldkatze | hope it helps, byebye :) |
| 18:15.12 | acerspyro | Bai |
| 18:15.20 | acerspyro | And thanks |
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| 18:23.32 | CJWij | Moviuro: thanks |
| 18:24.35 | Moviuro | CJWij: yw |
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| 18:57.04 | vip | hi there |
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| 18:57.30 | vip | i've created folder in my imap account, and I don't see it in folders |
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| 18:58.27 | vip | it is created in server, I see it in other imap clients |
| 18:58.30 | vip | any hints? |
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| 18:59.17 | cb400f | try restarting kontact/akonadi? |
| 18:59.20 | ayaka | I heard that kde don't use defaults.list like gonme to mange the priority of file association, but use InitialPreference key in the .desktop files |
| 18:59.33 | vip | cb400f: yes |
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| 18:59.49 | ayaka | but after I install xarchieve in debian, why xarchieve overrider ark |
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| 19:00.22 | ayaka | I don't see that in neither of their desktop files |
| 19:00.23 | cb400f | using what desktop environment / file manager? |
| 19:01.00 | cb400f | or webbrowser? |
| 19:03.41 | geomyidae | Should KF5/KDE5 result in a usable workspace? Right now I've got it creating the .xsession custom session file, but it fails to load. |
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| 19:31.04 | jalcine | is Knotify considered part of Plasma? |
| 19:31.11 | jalcine | I wanted to look at the visual aspect of it |
| 19:31.16 | jalcine | that's probably plasma. |
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| 19:32.51 | thiago | knotify is a tool. |
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| 19:33.00 | thiago | Plasma can capture the notifications and display them by itself |
| 19:33.13 | thiago | if plasma doesn't do it, then knotify might display passive notifications |
| 19:33.22 | thiago | otherwise, it's used for playing sounds only |
| 19:34.17 | sujeet | I have an OTF file with the "Small Caps" Subfamily. If I try to install that font using "Font Management", it complains that the "Regular" Subfamily is already installed. I.e., it does not recognize the Subfamily correctly. (This does not happen for the bold, italic, bold italic subfamilies.) |
| 19:34.38 | jalcine | thanks thiago, narrowed my search a bit. |
| 19:34.54 | sujeet | (otfinfo confirms that it is "Small Caps" in the Subfamily, btw.) |
| 19:37.07 | sujeet | Oh, I am running KDE 4.10.4 |
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| 19:42.29 | rfk | I'd like to use KDevelop as a code viewer, just to browse through (non-KDevelop) projects, view a list of their symbols/classes, etc |
| 19:42.32 | rfk | Is this possible? |
| 19:43.11 | rfk | Or should i just start a project and add whatever files to it whcih i would like to view ? |
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