| 00:09.04 | Cyb3r-Assassin | Sho_: phuk USE="" flags lul |
| 00:09.15 | darwin | KATE stopped letting me edit certain files |
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| 00:15.05 | Cyb3r-Assassin | darwin: please explain more details |
| 00:21.11 | darwin | there is nothing special about the files--I own them, they have the right permissions, and they are just text (and HTML) files that probably have long lines |
| 00:21.35 | darwin | I changed the maximum line length from 1000 or whatever to 0, but this is still happening now |
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| 00:25.03 | jalcine | Sho_: thanks for kdebugdialog!! |
| 00:25.23 | Sho_ | jalcine: i didn't write it, but yw :) |
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| 00:28.48 | Cyb3r-Assassin | de has and has been known since the 90s to have tons of little tools no one ever realizes or uses |
| 00:28.52 | Cyb3r-Assassin | kde* |
| 00:29.20 | Sho_ | well kdebugdialog is a developer tool, and you can be assured pretty much every KDE developer uses it .. |
| 00:29.28 | Cyb3r-Assassin | sort of comical in nature |
| 00:29.55 | Cyb3r-Assassin | sort of a generalization there Sho_ ;-) |
| 00:30.18 | Sho_ | and yours wasn't? ;) |
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| 00:30.43 | Cyb3r-Assassin | no mine was. Wasn't meaning yours |
| 00:30.52 | Sho_ | ah |
| 00:30.55 | Sho_ | sorry |
| 00:31.27 | Cyb3r-Assassin | Sho_: you know the whole kde education folder :P |
| 00:31.55 | Sho_ | Cyb3r-Assassin: kde edu has gotten us a lot of big school deployments tho |
| 00:32.09 | Sho_ | 35 million kids in Brazil's schools use KDE on school computers |
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| 00:33.16 | Cyb3r-Assassin | interesting. Sho_ I first used kde back in 1999 on mandrake. It had it back them it was sort of a early kde philosophy. And they always packed in so many little tools and mini games. felt like the KDE way since the git go. |
| 00:34.07 | Sho_ | Cyb3r-Assassin: ah ... i first tried it in '99 too but didn't become a regular user until 2002 |
| 00:34.10 | Cyb3r-Assassin | Sho_: not in USA they care less about actual learning and more about budgeted contracts. Good luck getting linux on a school comp |
| 00:34.10 | Sho_ | (and a developer in 2005) |
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| 00:35.38 | Cyb3r-Assassin | Sho_: Same I liked KDE ALWAYS but went to gnome, back then. But it went so stale now, cinnamon did a nice job to bring it back but they all fell flat. I'm proud KDE has kept the true DE mentality. |
| 00:35.39 | darwin | moreover, I can edit some text and HTML files in the same session as the ones I cannot |
| 00:36.45 | Cyb3r-Assassin | darwin: kate will replace sessions. Perhaps use kwrite it's much better for scripting. Kate is more like Word |
| 00:37.45 | darwin | I do not do much scripting execpt with command-line editors |
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| 00:38.07 | Cyb3r-Assassin | we will classify html under scripting fr easy of conversation here |
| 00:38.10 | darwin | KATE does some stuff that I use that KWrite does not |
| 00:38.12 | Cyb3r-Assassin | for* |
| 00:38.43 | Cyb3r-Assassin | it's getting complex enough anyways might as well |
| 00:39.11 | Cyb3r-Assassin | bye bye are the good old days of html 4.1 and tables |
| 00:39.28 | danharibo | :( |
| 00:39.32 | danharibo | RIP <table> |
| 00:39.34 | darwin | AFAIK, HTML 4.1 is still the w3 standard |
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| 00:39.51 | Sho_ | Cyb3r-Assassin: have you seen the imgsrc spec? |
| 00:40.07 | Cyb3r-Assassin | darwin: not for a decade that was replaced with XHTML |
| 00:40.08 | Sho_ | they invented a unique micro-DSL for a single new attribute value that's different from anything else in the format |
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| 00:40.52 | Cyb3r-Assassin | Sho_: interesting, do you perhaps have example on hand? HTML5 is confusing because all the goodies are like unknown |
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| 00:42.10 | Sho_ | Cyb3r-Assassin: sorry, typo due to tiredness, i meant srcset, not imgsrc ... example: <source srcset="med.jpg 1x, med-hd.jpg 2x" media="(min-width: 40em)" /> |
| 00:42.27 | Sho_ | Cyb3r-Assassin: or <img src="picture.jpg" srcset="picture@2x.jpg 2x" /> |
| 00:43.12 | Cyb3r-Assassin | Sho_: why was this done? Purely sounds like an over complication of the element |
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| 00:44.00 | Cyb3r-Assassin | yeah tiredness gets to you Sho_ . Cyb3r-Assassin waiting on the liquor to take over then crash |
| 00:44.27 | Sho_ | yeah i'm about to head to the sheets once a build here finishes too |
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| 00:44.47 | Sho_ | Cyb3r-Assassin: i didn't really follow the debate too much that lead to them settling on this variant |
| 00:45.31 | Sho_ | Cyb3r-Assassin: what annoys me is that <video> solves the same problem already in a different way |
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| 00:45.36 | Sho_ | so there's no consistency between them |
| 00:45.56 | darwin | I was not talking about XHTML |
| 00:46.00 | Cyb3r-Assassin | Sho_: if they are going to change stuff that much every previous person who earned skills in webdev is going to have to go back to the drawing board or opt out unless they want full time career in the webdev trenches |
| 00:46.11 | darwin | only a small percentage of sites even use XHTML |
| 00:46.20 | darwin | apparently my KATE problem was 'read-only mode' |
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| 00:46.38 | Cyb3r-Assassin | darwin: XHTML was the replacement for html until HTML5. It wasn't an option it was the replacement |
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| 00:47.27 | Cyb3r-Assassin | Would bet the majority use xhtml-1.1 |
| 00:48.04 | Cyb3r-Assassin | Sho_: if only they could fix JS |
| 00:48.16 | Sho_ | by replacing it with Python, ideally |
| 00:48.18 | Sho_ | :-) |
| 00:48.25 | Cyb3r-Assassin | agreed |
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| 00:51.58 | danharibo | lol |
| 00:52.07 | danharibo | what a terrible language |
| 00:52.10 | danharibo | for the web |
| 00:52.52 | Cyb3r-Assassin | I was writing perl and remember the first month python came out. I've despised that language since then, until very recently. Tackled it a bit and after finely getting over the {} scenario I quite don't mind it. |
| 00:55.53 | Cyb3r-Assassin | Sho_: * ^ |
| 00:56.25 | Sho_ | danharibo: Why? |
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| 00:56.30 | danharibo | whitespace |
| 00:56.37 | danharibo | you can't minify python |
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| 00:57.03 | Sho_ | danharibo: counts as a feature in my book - I'd rather code remain readable than save network traffic |
| 00:57.31 | Sho_ | danharibo: transparent gzip compression and caching makes it more or less not matter anyway |
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| 00:58.09 | boombatower | trying to get opengl compositing in kwim...sounds like same problem as this guy, but his solutoin does not seem to work for me. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=160101 |
| 00:58.16 | boombatower | is there anything else anyone knows of to look at |
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| 01:03.47 | Sho_ | night folks |
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| 01:23.46 | FreezingCold | Is KDE Mobile being worked on much, or is it just an idea? |
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| 02:46.13 | PukaPoncho | Okay |
| 02:46.38 | PukaPoncho | I am sitting in front of the computer with the power managment problem |
| 02:47.45 | PukaPoncho | I ran upower -d, and there is partial information |
| 02:50.31 | PukaPoncho | It seems to have last measured the power in the battery more than 11 hours ago |
| 02:50.54 | PukaPoncho | 41181 seconds, to be exact |
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| 03:46.40 | boombatower | hmm, still not able to enable opengl compositing under kwim with oss radeon...no error messages either |
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| 04:04.25 | Cyb3r-Assassin | boombatower: Try a different version of KDE. It's quite common in my experience. Kwin has been advocately buggy for past couple years. |
| 04:05.14 | boombatower | on kde 4.11 |
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| 04:06.20 | Cyb3r-Assassin | have you had luck on any others? |
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| 04:08.09 | boombatower | Cyb3r-Assassin: yes, in past. And for many years on pervious box with radeon card...this one is newer and for last few motnhs been trying otu fglrx driver from amd |
| 04:08.20 | boombatower | seems specific to this card or somesuch |
| 04:08.25 | boombatower | radeon hd 7000 series...hmm |
| 04:08.42 | boombatower | glxinfo http://paste.kde.org/pae2ba7ee/ |
| 04:08.49 | boombatower | message that I see when switching to opengl compositing http://i.imgur.com/fSY8Ovq.png |
| 04:09.03 | boombatower | which I assume means it actually failed to switch to opengl..although it does not say that |
| 04:11.25 | boombatower | hmm |
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| 04:12.05 | Cyb3r-Assassin | boombatower: Yes I have experienced same results extensively of recent times. What are you running for Mesa drivers? or perhaps list everything you are using for video driver handling |
| 04:13.39 | boombatower | http://paste.kde.org/pfe0d7bf7/ |
| 04:14.58 | boombatower | http://paste.kde.org/pe9651ac9/ |
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| 04:16.18 | Cyb3r-Assassin | boombatower: it seems you have a lot of extra drivers built into your kernel and package manager despite your active card. Have you considered streamlining this? |
| 04:17.07 | boombatower | that first list I later realized shows all packages not just installed ones |
| 04:17.22 | boombatower | but yea, it just has itel, nouveau, and radeon isntalled |
| 04:17.45 | Cyb3r-Assassin | Do you need intel and radeon? |
| 04:17.57 | boombatower | well it's an amd card so radeon yes |
| 04:18.12 | boombatower | I can uninstall others, but assume not the problem |
| 04:20.14 | boombatower | http://paste.kde.org/p3da6b3d1/ |
| 04:20.23 | boombatower | did kwin --replace and then tried enabling opengl |
| 04:20.29 | Cyb3r-Assassin | boombatower: I personally run from anything redhat so you will have to cover my laps. How up to day is your radion drivers? Have you rebuilt x11 modules? |
| 04:21.40 | boombatower | radeon should be very up-to-date I can check against latest. not sure what you mean by rebuilt x11 modules |
| 04:21.52 | Cyb3r-Assassin | boombatower: yeah that feedback seems to be just reguritated info we know since kwin is down |
| 04:23.05 | boombatower | NO VSYNC! neither glSwapInterval nor glXWaitVideoSync are supported |
| 04:23.08 | boombatower | seems like that is the culprit |
| 04:23.38 | Cyb3r-Assassin | boombatower: for starters rebuilding mesa and xorg. If that still fails I'd suggest reverting down to 4.10.5 or another known working one. Because this has been am advocating issue in my experience. However I am on intel i915 and Gentoo |
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| 04:30.42 | boombatower | KWIN_DIRECT_GL=1 KWIN_COMPOSE=O2 kwin --replace seems to force it |
| 04:30.44 | boombatower | hmm |
| 04:30.45 | boombatower | lags |
| 04:30.46 | boombatower | :( |
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| 04:31.05 | boombatower | oh linux... |
| 04:31.30 | boombatower | radeon hd 7970 with 6GB of ram...to bad we can't use any of it |
| 04:31.46 | danharibo | radeon doesn't work well with newest models |
| 04:31.57 | boombatower | hmm |
| 04:32.01 | Cyb3r-Assassin | linux is always a moving target |
| 04:32.03 | danharibo | try fglrx if you're not using the free driver for any particular reason. |
| 04:32.29 | boombatower | was using fglrx, but free in the past tended to be far supior for 2d |
| 04:32.33 | boombatower | hmm, oh wellz |
| 04:32.57 | danharibo | AMD have been working harder than usualy recently |
| 04:33.04 | danharibo | crashes only 50% of the time now |
| 04:33.17 | boombatower | fglrx? |
| 04:33.18 | Cyb3r-Assassin | danharibo: its sad and a hard choice within dispositions, radeon hashes so much better but nvidia works a bit better |
| 04:33.43 | danharibo | Sorry I only use my GPUs for actual graphics. |
| 04:33.45 | boombatower | seemed stable when I was using it |
| 04:34.11 | danharibo | I'm exagerating, performance with 2D is choppy with my 5000 series but fine with radeon. |
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| 07:33.06 | Safa_[A_boy] | Hello there, I'm tring to POST a paste into the kde pastebin using curl, But it is not working... It returns "err_nothing_to_do" |
| 07:33.15 | Safa_[A_boy] | This is what I run: |
| 07:33.27 | Safa_[A_boy] | curl -i -L -X POST -F paste_data=safa -F paste_lang=text -F apt_submit=true -F mode=xml -F paste_expire=360 http://paste.kde.org/ |
| 07:40.03 | DaZ | shouldn't you use --data instead of --form? :v |
| 07:41.47 | Safa_[A_boy] | DaZ: I use --form for transifex API, I'll try --data |
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| 07:43.06 | DaZ | curl -i -d paste_lang=text -d paste_user=Anonymous -d paste_title='' -d paste_data=derp -d paste_submit=Paste -d paste_expire=86400 -d paste_password='' paste.kde.org |
| 07:43.10 | DaZ | i have accidentally it |
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| 07:46.26 | Safa_[A_boy] | DaZ: Worked! thanks very much :) |
| 07:46.33 | DaZ | yw |
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| 07:57.10 | Frogbarf | Under Windows I discovered the US international keyboard layout which I found is a lot easier to use than switching language keyboard layouts. Is there something similar that can be enabled for KDE? I am always switching between US and German which can be annoying |
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| 07:59.13 | DaZ | i'll just use my crystal ball to tell me what microsoft marketoids meant by us international keyboard :v |
| 07:59.43 | Frogbarf | I'd leave it in German, but I have a physical US keyboard which is missing the keys "<" ">" when in German mode |
| 08:00.13 | DaZ | Frogbarf: compose key. |
| 08:00.35 | Frogbarf | DaZ: What's that? |
| 08:01.34 | DaZ | something you have to google, just like i had to google stuff you said earlier :v |
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| 08:02.33 | DaZ | kcmshell4 kcm_keyboard -> advanced |
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| 08:50.31 | vooze | How do I autostart 2 x pythons scripts in KDE ? When it add it as a script nothing happens, and when I add it as a program the deletes one of the programs from autostart GUI. |
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| 08:53.35 | Safa_[A_boy] | DaZ: Hi again, How can I send the a file as paste_data? I can add "@" at the begining of the text if I use --form , I tryed this but it send "@myfile" as data, not the file :\ |
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| 08:56.31 | Safa_[A_boy] | send a file * |
| 08:56.54 | Safa_[A_boy] | tried* |
| 08:56.56 | Safa_[A_boy] | :( |
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| 08:59.38 | DaZ | Safa_[A_boy]: turn on wireshark, upload something, read the stream :v |
| 09:00.02 | DaZ | or some browser side thingie |
| 09:00.14 | Safa_[A_boy] | mmm... |
| 09:02.56 | cb400f | vooze: to autostart stuff make it executable and put it in ~/.kde/Autostart/ |
| 09:03.22 | cb400f | you can also use the gui of course.. but often it's easier to just put the stuff in the folder manually |
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| 09:07.30 | vooze | cb400f, the scripts are in folder like /home/user/sickbeard/sickbeard.py |
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| 09:07.57 | DaZ | symlink? :v |
| 09:08.39 | DaZ | or a bash script that starts those apps |
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| 11:02.30 | oopepe | Hi, i think i found a bug in Okular 0.17.0 from KDE 4.11.0. When i try to open a specific PDF then Okular crashes. Could somebody confirm this happens not only on my computer? Heres the PDF: http://www.qmags.com/d/?pub=CMG&upid=18220SP&s=OL&fl=others/CMG/CMG_20130601_Jun_2013.pdf . |
| 11:04.57 | cb400f | crashes okular on 4.10.5 (0.16.5) too |
| 11:06.15 | oopepe | Ok, thank you for conforming. |
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| 11:52.27 | Fanfare | Q: from Logout-Menu there is hibernate missing? So i had to create a desktop shortcut runnung "kdesudo pm-hibernate" |
| 11:53.16 | Fanfare | Q: but i like it in the logout menu. How to activate hibernate in KDE-Logout-Mennu? |
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| 11:54.52 | vyrgozunqk | hey guys i got this strange problem with telepathy not connecting to Facebook Chat, and dropping connection to jabber |
| 11:55.23 | vyrgozunqk | it just can;t connect to facebook, pasword and user ID are fine... Kde version is 4.11 |
| 11:55.41 | DaZ | i blame facebook |
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| 11:57.55 | vyrgozunqk | and still i can't understand why it's dropping connection to jabber.org ... it happens since last few versions... |
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| 14:07.08 | edt_ | screen dimming has stopped working here as of 4.11 (not screen saver but the power saving screen dimmer) |
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| 14:08.16 | edt_ | I am on arch |
| 14:08.28 | edt_ | amd64 on a desktop |
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| 15:10.45 | yecril71pl | If a maximized window is wider than screen, is KWin to blame or the application? |
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| 15:18.12 | Ardonik | yecril71pl: The application is probably insisting "I must be this wide and no less, and no resizing handles, kthx." |
| 15:18.25 | RamchandraApte | Ardonik: +1 |
| 15:18.44 | RamchandraApte | you can go to window settings (alt+f3) |
| 15:18.45 | Ardonik | KWin is saying "okay", though it would be nice if it said "man, you are funny." |
| 15:19.15 | yecril71pl | window settings and what? |
| 15:19.16 | RamchandraApte | press alt+f3 when active on the window, then go to more actions and then special window settings |
| 15:19.32 | RamchandraApte | go to size and position |
| 15:19.43 | RamchandraApte | there you can make kwin ignore what the application is requesting, and force a smaller size |
| 15:19.58 | Ardonik | RamchandraApte: I'll be damned. There *is* a way to make KWin tell the application "man, you are funny!" |
| 15:20.10 | Ardonik | I learned something today. |
| 15:21.13 | yecril71pl | There is a check box "ignore geometry limitations" or something along these lines |
| 15:21.17 | Ardonik | That'll be useful for beating some sense into avidemux2_gtk. |
| 15:21.32 | RamchandraApte | yeah, you can tick that and select force on the right-hand size |
| 15:21.41 | RamchandraApte | fun fact: kde has gesture support out of the box (see module "shortcuts and gestures") |
| 15:22.05 | yecril71pl | I selected and ticked and nothing changed |
| 15:23.23 | RamchandraApte | maybe you can tick ignore geometry restrictions |
| 15:24.13 | yecril71pl | I did that too and nothing changed |
| 15:25.29 | RamchandraApte | well, as a last resort you can tick the resize option and force it to fit within the desktop |
| 15:25.58 | yecril71pl | I specified maximum size and nothing changed |
| 15:27.32 | yecril71pl | I said Apply size now and the size changed |
| 15:28.00 | yecril71pl | but then I said Maximize and the window is too wide again |
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| 15:31.42 | RamchandraApte | press alt and hold left-click and move the mouse |
| 15:31.53 | RamchandraApte | (that might resize the window) |
| 15:32.55 | yecril71pl | that moves the window |
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| 15:34.17 | RamchandraApte | oops, I meant right-click |
| 15:34.26 | RamchandraApte | (press alt, hold right-click, then move mouse) |
| 15:34.36 | yecril71pl | nothing happens |
| 15:35.15 | RamchandraApte | well, I have exhausted all my knowledge :| |
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| 15:37.04 | yecril71pl | It is too wide also in restored state |
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| 15:37.42 | Meodudlye | Hi all. I have have some weird problems with my 4.10 version : all apps start on the same desktop (the 1), irrespective of where I start them (even from the console) |
| 15:38.40 | yecril71pl | Attachment #82088 to bug 324359 created |
| 15:38.43 | Meodudlye | And the taskbar does not want to show me all started apps, only the ones on the current desktop (which is pretty much useless) |
| 15:39.29 | RamchandraApte | I think if you right-click taskbar and press config |
| 15:39.48 | RamchandraApte | and if you browse through the options, there's an option for showing all desktops/current desktop afaik |
| 15:40.19 | Meodudlye | I've unselected all options, but still it only shows tasksfrom the current desktop |
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| 16:24.46 | Meodudlye | hi all (again). I've found out what was wrong: |
| 16:25.02 | Meodudlye | weird interactions between compiz (which I had activated) and kwin |
| 16:25.11 | Meodudlye | I've disabled compiz, and noweverything works fine. |
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| 16:37.34 | jhile | hey guys, are there any default kde programs that are not safe to remove? |
| 16:38.56 | jhile | i dont use programs like kmymoney, blogilo and such and not sure if they are connected to the base kde packages or not |
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| 16:41.42 | DaZ | everything is safe to remove :v |
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| 16:46.02 | yecril71pl | jhile: define "not safe" |
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| 16:46.52 | jhile | programs that depend on other packages, so programs that if removed cause something else to not work right |
| 16:47.22 | yecril71pl | If you use KOffice for your daily work and you have urgent tasks, it will not be safe to remove KOffice. |
| 16:47.50 | jhile | well yeah, my question is more or less, say i remove koffice will something else break |
| 16:47.55 | yecril71pl | jhile: That kind of thing is best handled by your package manager |
| 16:48.05 | jhile | or kmail etc |
| 16:48.38 | jhile | so say i use my package manager to remove kmail and it says ONLY kmail is being removed no other packages it shouldn't bother anything else? |
| 16:48.54 | yecril71pl | Applications rarely introduce dependencies but libraries often do |
| 16:48.57 | jhile | i use arch linux, so it seems that most packages are individually installed |
| 16:49.47 | yecril71pl | If you have KDevelop installed and you tell pacman to remove Kate, it will ask you whether you intend to remove KDevelop too. |
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| 16:50.09 | jhile | yecril71pl: alright good :) haven't seen anything like that yet |
| 16:50.34 | jhile | i cant find kde im log and kde im contacts packages though |
| 16:50.34 | yecril71pl | Also, observe that removing KOffice will cripple Okular |
| 16:50.49 | yecril71pl | What is kde im? |
| 16:50.53 | jhile | no idea |
| 16:51.04 | yecril71pl | <jhile> i cant find kde im log |
| 16:51.06 | jhile | KDE instant messenger |
| 16:51.13 | jhile | it ties into that |
| 16:51.25 | jhile | kde 4.11 not sure if it was in previous versions |
| 16:51.33 | yecril71pl | You mean Kopete? |
| 16:51.44 | jhile | not sure here ill show you |
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| 16:52.30 | Cyb3r-Assassin | My systems applications are a circle of dependencies. |
| 16:53.14 | yecril71pl | Circles are a good thing, for one, they can run smoothly. |
| 16:53.18 | jhile | http://postimg.org/image/66mlg4ual/ |
| 16:53.56 | yecril71pl | jhile: I use Konversation. |
| 16:54.27 | yecril71pl | Your app is called KVIrc, as can be seen in the screen shot. |
| 16:54.36 | jhile | for irc yeah |
| 16:54.43 | jhile | but i dont know what those IM programs are |
| 16:54.51 | yecril71pl | those? |
| 16:55.40 | yecril71pl | Oh, in Kickstart? I have never seen them. |
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| 16:56.13 | jhile | its not a huge deal, was trying to clean up a little bit sometimes its difficult to find what i want through 50+ programs :P |
| 16:56.50 | yecril71pl | Next time you prepare a screen shot, clip it to the relevant part. |
| 16:57.02 | Cyb3r-Assassin | heh I don't even have thous applications in my meta builds |
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| 16:57.28 | yecril71pl | I mean, it is easy: if you do not use it, you probably do not need it. |
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| 16:57.29 | jhile | i have my mouse on the program :P |
| 16:57.46 | yecril71pl | in rehab? |
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| 16:58.33 | yecril71pl | Oh, you mean the pointer in the window, right? |
| 16:58.54 | yecril71pl | I did not know what it is, it is nonstandard. |
| 16:59.00 | jhile | weir |
| 16:59.01 | jhile | weird |
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| 17:00.23 | jhile | i think i may have figured out, it seems to be linked to telepathy |
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| 17:00.33 | jhile | is that a program you are familiar with? |
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| 17:01.53 | yecril71pl | I am not |
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| 17:02.16 | Cyb3r-Assassin | jhile: yes but atleast for my distro all these applications are non standard of the meta build |
| 17:02.42 | jhile | so it sounds like they don't need to be there to me |
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| 17:02.46 | Cyb3r-Assassin | it's part of the net-im/ktp* packages |
| 17:04.09 | jhile | says: |
| 17:04.10 | jhile | Telepathy provides protocol backends for most popular protocols including: Jabber/XMPP/Google Talk/Jingle, link-local XMPP, SIP, MSN, Yahoo/AIM and IRC via a unified D-Bus API. |
| 17:04.10 | Cyb3r-Assassin | yecril71pl: it's not surprising, very few distros work minimally now and just bloat everything to kingdom come. |
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| 17:08.29 | yecril71pl | jhile: so does Kopete |
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| 19:49.05 | artao | linux guru needed: Kubuntu .. can I (and how) add a "convert to .png' to the right-click 'Actions' menu ?? |
| 19:49.13 | artao | I know it can be pretty slow in here, so please ping my nick if you reply. Thanks! =] |
| 19:52.12 | cb400f | artao: have a look at the servicemenus available at kde-apps.org: http://kde-apps.org/index.php?xsortmode=high&page=0&xcontentmode=287 |
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| 19:52.40 | yecril71pl | You can also install plugins from Dolphin Settings |
| 19:52.59 | cb400f | if nothing is available it's prolly possible to write one using ImageMagick |
| 19:53.44 | cb400f | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Converter?content=69981 |
| 19:53.56 | yecril71pl | In particular, kde-services |
| 19:54.20 | yecril71pl | if nothing out of the box, it can serve as a generic gateway |
| 19:55.48 | artao | kul thx |
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| 20:17.15 | GiGaHuRtZ | Can someone help explain startup sessions in KDE? |
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| 20:17.37 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: Perhaps, can you ask more specifically? |
| 20:17.40 | GiGaHuRtZ | I know the default behavior is to just start the session where you left off |
| 20:17.48 | GiGaHuRtZ | Sho_: I am getting there |
| 20:17.51 | Sho_ | ok |
| 20:17.53 | GiGaHuRtZ | My fingers only move so fast |
| 20:18.41 | GiGaHuRtZ | So, instead of default behavior. Lets say I want a certain two or 3 apps to be open always. Rather than just whatever was open when I logged out prior |
| 20:18.55 | GiGaHuRtZ | What is the best way to go about doing that? Sessions? Autostart?> |
| 20:19.20 | GiGaHuRtZ | I see an option for on login "Restore manually saved session". How do I manually save a session |
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| 20:19.25 | GiGaHuRtZ | Cause that sounds perfect |
| 20:20.01 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: Two options: Either you can disable session restore and put the three apps into autostart, or you can set it to "restore manually saved session" and manually save the session with only those three apps open |
| 20:20.07 | GiGaHuRtZ | Cause iirc it also keeps window placement |
| 20:20.22 | GiGaHuRtZ | Ok how do I manually save a session? |
| 20:20.51 | GiGaHuRtZ | Like I have KVIRC, Kopete and Chromium running, all placed between my two monitors and setup how I want. So I want to use sessions |
| 20:21.16 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: It should be in the menu, but probably only shows when you actually select that mode |
| 20:21.38 | GiGaHuRtZ | oh ok |
| 20:21.42 | GiGaHuRtZ | perfect |
| 20:22.49 | GiGaHuRtZ | One more question. Anyone have suggestions for a QT Xmpp client? Maybe one that supports voice also. Cause I wanna use GTalk, but kopete is a little large for the task and I was curious of other options |
| 20:23.26 | GiGaHuRtZ | I am trying Psi+ which is XMPP only and QT, and the + fork is supposedx to do voice,biut I dont think it does iike GTalk does |
| 20:23.43 | GiGaHuRtZ | Though kopete has some great plugins.... |
| 20:24.03 | Sho_ | Kopete has been more or less replaced with KDE Telepathy, but note that Google Talk is disabling XMPP support anyway |
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| 20:24.18 | danharibo | Facebook chat is quite sketchy too |
| 20:24.25 | danharibo | can never stay connected |
| 20:24.27 | GiGaHuRtZ | they are? I know gtalk is replaced by hangouts |
| 20:24.36 | GiGaHuRtZ | but i figured the hjabber server would stay alive |
| 20:24.57 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: They're disabling XMPP as part of the Hangouts rollout |
| 20:25.03 | GiGaHuRtZ | Cause I would love to use the hangouts client google made that is a chrome extension, but it doesnt work properly in KDE with dual monitors |
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| 20:25.28 | Sho_ | I don't need voice, so I just use bitlbee |
| 20:25.37 | Sho_ | with Konversation as frontend (KDE's IRC client) |
| 20:26.00 | GiGaHuRtZ | My problem is, I usre a thinkpacd with an external and both displays at once. Laptop on right, LCD on right |
| 20:26.29 | GiGaHuRtZ | But when I have the hangouts extension enabled, it puts the extension on the lower left display, even though the the right LCD is the primary |
| 20:26.38 | GiGaHuRtZ | If I could fix that I would be golden |
| 20:27.06 | GiGaHuRtZ | Sho_: I dont need voice either, but the gtalk jabber server is my main means of talking to my friends right now via chat |
| 20:27.47 | GiGaHuRtZ | Could I setup a bitlbee for gtalks xmpp server, and connect to it with kvirc? |
| 20:27.52 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: yes |
| 20:28.00 | GiGaHuRtZ | Interesting |
| 20:28.21 | GiGaHuRtZ | I still wish there was a way to fix the placement issue of hangouts |
| 20:28.33 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: bitlbee is basically an IM-to-IRC converter: your buddy list becomes a channel, you can see folks joining and leaving, +v denotes away state, and you can talk to people either with "nick: ..." on channel and see rpelies on channel, or just open a query to them |
| 20:28.43 | GiGaHuRtZ | It works fine on windows with dual monitors. It just goes to whatever screen the browser is on |
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| 20:28.50 | GiGaHuRtZ | yes i know what it is |
| 20:29.04 | GiGaHuRtZ | I used it with ICQ/AIM back in the day |
| 20:29.25 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: you could probably use kde's special window settings to force a location for that chrome extension thing |
| 20:29.41 | GiGaHuRtZ | Ok, wanna give me a hand in trying? |
| 20:29.48 | GiGaHuRtZ | I am fairly new to KDE, not linux |
| 20:30.01 | GiGaHuRtZ | Well KDE4. I used 3.x and 2.x for a long while |
| 20:30.09 | GiGaHuRtZ | And skipped KDE4 til now |
| 20:30.20 | GiGaHuRtZ | reinstalls the extensions |
| 20:30.41 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: sure. bring up the window, place it where you want it, then right-click the title bar (or press alt+f3 to open the window menu, if this uses chrome's own non-standard title bar) and go into More Actions -> Special Window Settings |
| 20:30.43 | GiGaHuRtZ | I can move the hangout window thing to the other monitor, but because the monitors are different resolutions |
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| 20:30.52 | GiGaHuRtZ | I cannot bring it to the bottom of the right monitor |
| 20:31.08 | GiGaHuRtZ | Cause I currently have the top of the displays even, and the bottoms arent |
| 20:31.16 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: then see the size and position stuff, check it and set it to force |
| 20:31.18 | GiGaHuRtZ | In the display manager setting thing |
| 20:31.21 | Sho_ | (or maybe Apply Initially) |
| 20:31.23 | GiGaHuRtZ | hmm |
| 20:31.37 | GiGaHuRtZ | i dont think that is gonna work, its not treated like a traditional window |
| 20:31.49 | GiGaHuRtZ | ie. no window for it on the taskbar |
| 20:32.02 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: that doesn't matter, not showing on the taskbar is just a window hint |
| 20:32.13 | Sho_ | (which special window settings could override btw) |
| 20:32.35 | GiGaHuRtZ | http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/screen-shot-2013-05-15-at-9-02-11-am.png?w=640 |
| 20:32.42 | GiGaHuRtZ | it looks kinda like that, on the laptop |
| 20:32.45 | GiGaHuRtZ | crappy image i know |
| 20:33.43 | GiGaHuRtZ | Ok its enabled, and on the left monitor again, though it does show in the systray of my panel on the right monitor as usual |
| 20:33.57 | GiGaHuRtZ | The problem is, I cannot place it where I want it |
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| 20:34.32 | GiGaHuRtZ | Because of the different resolutions, something weird with the extension wont allow me to bring it to the bottom of the LCD display |
| 20:34.52 | GiGaHuRtZ | Cause it thinks the bottom of the display is where the bottom of the left display would be |
| 20:35.01 | GiGaHuRtZ | So its like 2 inches above the real bottom |
| 20:35.02 | Sho_ | i see, i guess it's computing the per-screen work area incorrectly |
| 20:35.13 | Sho_ | it's fairly hard to code on X, and many developers get it wrong |
| 20:35.23 | Sho_ | (i had to solve similar problems for Yakuake, which I develop) |
| 20:35.39 | GiGaHuRtZ | and you cant right click any title bar |
| 20:35.45 | GiGaHuRtZ | cause its an chrome extension |
| 20:35.53 | GiGaHuRtZ | its not using kwin borders |
| 20:35.55 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: you could probably bring up the window menu with alt+f3 regardless |
| 20:36.12 | GiGaHuRtZ | oh ok yup |
| 20:36.29 | GiGaHuRtZ | that works |
| 20:36.30 | GiGaHuRtZ | ! |
| 20:36.33 | GiGaHuRtZ | woohoo |
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| 20:36.42 | GiGaHuRtZ | alt+f3 then move |
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| 20:36.53 | Sho_ | right, so move it and then force that sucker |
| 20:36.59 | GiGaHuRtZ | yup |
| 20:37.01 | GiGaHuRtZ | just did |
| 20:37.38 | GiGaHuRtZ | how do i force? |
| 20:37.54 | GiGaHuRtZ | so it stays there all the time besides when i minimize it to the systray panel |
| 20:38.15 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: Check out the "Size & Position" tab in the Special Window Settings dialog, it's an entry in the combobox for every setting |
| 20:38.20 | GiGaHuRtZ | k |
| 20:39.11 | GiGaHuRtZ | not sure what box to check |
| 20:39.14 | GiGaHuRtZ | there are lots |
| 20:39.20 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: Size and Position |
| 20:39.28 | GiGaHuRtZ | oh |
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| 20:39.31 | GiGaHuRtZ | postioin force |
| 20:39.35 | GiGaHuRtZ | ya i was on that tab |
| 20:39.42 | GiGaHuRtZ | bot thewre are lots of boxes |
| 20:39.58 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: yeah but that tab also has Size and Position entries |
| 20:40.00 | GiGaHuRtZ | but the first checkbox is position, then in the dropdown you can chose fdorce |
| 20:40.03 | Sho_ | at the top of that tab |
| 20:40.04 | Sho_ | yep |
| 20:40.05 | GiGaHuRtZ | right |
| 20:40.42 | GiGaHuRtZ | k it works. only thing a little odd is the animation if I minimizer |
| 20:41.04 | GiGaHuRtZ | even though I have the panel on the right monitor, and primary is right, if I minimize it looks like its going to the left |
| 20:41.12 | GiGaHuRtZ | oh well, doesnt affect anything |
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| 20:41.51 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: since it's not on the taskbar the animation prolly doesn't have a good target to minimize into |
| 20:42.04 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: actually i should try that some time ... i just rewrote the task manager from scratch for 4.11 |
| 20:42.19 | GiGaHuRtZ | right |
| 20:42.27 | GiGaHuRtZ | Sho_: I do have another thing |
| 20:42.39 | GiGaHuRtZ | That is a feature the kde people should have taken up long ago |
| 20:43.05 | Sho_ | let's hear it then |
| 20:43.08 | GiGaHuRtZ | And has been requested many times. And this one person in the channel said they were gonna try to implement like a month ago, but they never did |
| 20:43.26 | GiGaHuRtZ | Ok, it involves kmixer, and should be fairly easy |
| 20:44.03 | GiGaHuRtZ | It recognizes volume levels over 100%, but won't let you adjust to over 100 like pavucontrol (pulse audio control) does. |
| 20:44.19 | GiGaHuRtZ | And on a laptop, over 100 is useful in a lot of circumstances |
| 20:44.28 | GiGaHuRtZ | brb, gotta check on my dinner |
| 20:44.31 | therazr | GiGaHuRtZ: Use veromix |
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| 20:50.50 | GiGaHuRtZ | he quit |
| 20:51.00 | GiGaHuRtZ | i believe thats a plasma widget iirc |
| 20:51.05 | GiGaHuRtZ | and it doesnt work on 4.11 |
| 20:51.24 | GiGaHuRtZ | regardless, its silly that kmix doesnt support this |
| 20:51.53 | GiGaHuRtZ | it clearly can recognize the levels above 100, cause when i set above 100 and mouse over the mixer, it shows the correct percentage |
| 20:52.24 | GiGaHuRtZ | Yup, https://code.google.com/p/veromix-plasmoid/ |
| 20:52.30 | GiGaHuRtZ | I could not get that working |
| 20:52.41 | GiGaHuRtZ | Unless you have any ideas on getting it running Sho_ |
| 20:53.25 | GiGaHuRtZ | Sho_: i have another semi-custimization question also |
| 20:53.30 | GiGaHuRtZ | dangit |
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| 21:22.01 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: sorry, ISP died ... anyway, kmix isn't really my area of expertize i'm afraid, i only have a few minor UI fixes in that code |
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| 21:24.54 | BCMM | had a power cut, now plasma is segfaulting on startup |
| 21:25.07 | BCMM | how can i fix it while losing as little of my plasma config as possible? |
| 21:25.25 | Sho_ | BCMM: post the backtrace? |
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| 21:27.38 | BCMM | Sho_: crash handlers things the information is "probably not useful", which will be because i don't build with debug support |
| 21:28.04 | Sho_ | BCMM: indeed |
| 21:28.14 | BCMM | also i realised the power cut might not be the issues, since i had upgraded pyqt since i last restarted plasma |
| 21:28.15 | Sho_ | BCMM: without symbols i can't tell you what config to delete |
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| 21:29.02 | BCMM | Sho_: this is all i have http://bpaste.net/show/128345/ |
| 21:33.26 | BCMM | Sho_: so if i had debug symbols, the traceback could be used to determine which plasmoid caused it? |
| 21:33.35 | GiGaHuRtZ | Sho_: Its ok, another guy who also left recommend veromix |
| 21:33.41 | GiGaHuRtZ | Which is a plasa widget |
| 21:33.49 | GiGaHuRtZ | But its like 14 months old |
| 21:33.56 | GiGaHuRtZ | It wont even install at this point |
| 21:34.07 | GiGaHuRtZ | Unless someone (not me :P) knows how to update it |
| 21:34.26 | Sho_ | GiGaHuRtZ: personally I think Veromix is fairly ... haphazard UI-wise (last time I tried it) |
| 21:34.33 | GiGaHuRtZ | https://code.google.com/p/veromix-plasmoid/ |
| 21:34.35 | GiGaHuRtZ | ya... |
| 21:34.46 | Sho_ | BCMM: looks like it's one in your panel |
| 21:34.47 | GiGaHuRtZ | kmix really should support it |
| 21:35.09 | Sho_ | BCMM: and either a JS or a Python/Ruby one seeing Plasma::loadScriptEngine |
| 21:35.28 | BCMM | Sho_: thanks, thought so from /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_containment_panel.so |
| 21:36.04 | BCMM | Sho_: i updated pyqt - could it be a python applet that doesn't work on the new version? |
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| 21:36.44 | Sho_ | BCMM: more like plasma's python script engine and/or pykde are no longer abi-compatible with the new pyqt |
| 21:36.55 | Sho_ | BCMM: so if you're on a source-based distro rebuild pykde and plasma's python script engine |
| 21:37.22 | BCMM | Sho_: it's gentoo, but it's not listing any kde stuff as requiring rebuild |
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| 21:37.43 | BCMM | usually, it knows when stuff has been broken by a library update... |
| 21:38.14 | Sho_ | BCMM: it's my best guess i'm afraid |
| 21:38.40 | BCMM | Sho_: does kde ship with any pykde programs? |
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| 21:38.47 | BCMM | i mean, the kde sc or whatever |
| 21:38.58 | BCMM | wondering what other program i could use to find out of pykde is broken |
| 21:38.59 | Sho_ | BCMM: No, but some distros ship some Python tools (not Gentoo afair) |
| 21:39.29 | Sho_ | BCMM: do you have any Plasmoid you know is Python? |
| 21:39.46 | Cyb3r-Assassin | BCMM: emerge -1 kde-base/pykde4 && emerge @preserved-rebuild && revdep-rebuild -i |
| 21:39.46 | BCMM | Sho_: yes. i'll try disabling them |
| 21:40.00 | Sho_ | BCMM: you can also try "plasma-windowed <plasmoid name>" |
| 21:40.03 | BCMM | Cyb3r-Assassin: preserved-rebuild AND revdep-rebuild? |
| 21:40.13 | BCMM | Sho_: ah, that's to launch a single plasmoid in a window right? |
| 21:40.21 | Sho_ | BCMM: Indeed ... useful to test if it'll crash |
| 21:40.24 | Cyb3r-Assassin | just as sent copy paste |
| 21:40.32 | Cyb3r-Assassin | BCMM: python-updater as well |
| 21:40.34 | BCMM | Cyb3r-Assassin: i mean, why would you run both of those? |
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| 21:40.50 | BCMM | Sho_: that's great, i hadn't thought of that and was going to manually edit my config and restart plasma-desktop each time |
| 21:40.58 | Sho_ | used Gentoo for seven years, but not since 2009, rusty by now |
| 21:41.01 | Cyb3r-Assassin | BCMM: preserved isn |
| 21:41.07 | Cyb3r-Assassin | t same as revdep-rebuild |
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| 22:06.14 | acerspyro | Each time I start my computer, around 20 windows, named blankscrsaver.kss or something like that. How do I fix that? |
| 22:07.50 | NanduX | I've had the same problem, I had to disable the screensaver |
| 22:07.57 | acerspyro | ok |
| 22:08.34 | acerspyro | Is it because it remembers an open screensaver window, and it tells itself "It's a window.. .I MUST START IT!"? |
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| 22:09.02 | hydron | hello, is there a way to reinstall the default window decoration theme because I lost It, I'm in Kubuntu 13.04 kde 4.11.00 and thank you :) |
| 22:09.19 | acerspyro | hydron: you uninstalled it? |
| 22:09.24 | hydron | no |
| 22:09.39 | hydron | It just desapearded while I was changing It |
| 22:09.44 | acerspyro | hmm |
| 22:09.54 | hydron | this happened to me more than once |
| 22:10.09 | acerspyro | Click the button "reset to default" on that sub-section |
| 22:10.23 | hydron | that desn't work :( |
| 22:10.39 | acerspyro | odd |
| 22:10.48 | acerspyro | How did you find it back the other times? |
| 22:11.07 | hydron | I didn't :( or I don't remember |
| 22:11.19 | hydron | may be when I upgraded to a major version |
| 22:11.47 | Juan | Is there a window deco that adds the entire appmenu in the titlebar, rather than a button? |
| 22:12.19 | hydron | not betwen those I have |
| 22:12.34 | acerspyro | Try to reset all the themes you have to default? |
| 22:12.45 | hydron | how ? |
| 22:13.00 | acerspyro | Widgets themes, workspace themes... |
| 22:13.04 | acerspyro | Color themes... |
| 22:13.06 | hydron | ah ok |
| 22:13.56 | hydron | I just did It but It didn't work |
| 22:14.05 | acerspyro | kk |
| 22:14.30 | Basstard` | Theme themes. |
| 22:15.04 | hydron | Is it possible to reconfigure a package [dpkg -reconfigure package_name] to solve this problem |
| 22:16.59 | acerspyro | brb |
| 22:17.05 | hydron | ok thanks |
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| 22:23.07 | acerspyro | hydron: sorry, I need to reboot, I'm installing a fan on my computer |
| 22:23.31 | hydron | It's fine, thank you for your help |
| 22:23.44 | hydron | hope every thing go ok for you |
| 22:25.38 | hydron | is It troublesome if I remove my .kde directory ? and is there a chance that It solve the problem ? |
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| 22:31.21 | hydron | brb, I'm going to try something |
| 22:32.00 | zeugma | rather than removing it, mv it to .kde.old |
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