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| 03:56.54 | Ringtailed-Fox | anyone home? i'm having some pretty bad issues with anonsvn.kde.org |
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| 04:08.51 | glossolalia | I have a bluetooth mouse that I can pair and connect with using the bluetoothctl command line interface, but BlueDevil cannotconnect to it successfully |
| 04:09.18 | glossolalia | In the bluedevil UI I can see the BT mouse listed, but it will not pair & connect successfully |
| 04:10.32 | zeugma | hello all! I've got a stupid question, but this problem is really bugging me. I used to be able to use the middle mouse button (in my case a wheel) to paste what was on my cliipboard. For some reason that functionality has gone away. Can someone tell me where that is set? |
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| 04:11.56 | Ringtailed-Fox | the KDE SVN server is improperly configured! |
| 04:11.59 | Ringtailed-Fox | svn export http://anonsvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/libs/kiofuse/ |
| 04:11.59 | Ringtailed-Fox | svn: Repository moved permanently to '/trunk/playground/libs/kiofuse/'; please relocate |
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| 04:38.26 | Ringtailed-Fox | guys, your SVN server is completely fucked |
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| 05:52.13 | BlueDeep | i remover the pannel by mistake,how 2 restore it? |
| 05:52.22 | BlueDeep | removed |
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| 05:57.55 | kaffeebohne | BlueDeep: Right click on desktop => (unlock widgets) => add panel => choose one |
| 05:58.08 | kaffeebohne | labels can be different |
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| 06:21.07 | Roberth1990 | how do I make kmix use PCM volume rather than master volume as default? |
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| 06:26.07 | kaffeebohne | Roberth1990: Right click on the volume control, choose main channel (or something like that) |
| 06:26.59 | Roberth1990 | kaffeebohne: ah thx |
| 06:27.05 | Roberth1990 | that worked |
| 06:30.58 | kaffeebohne | :) |
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| 09:38.03 | DeepBlue | hello world,how t downlod volume mixer in kde? |
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| 09:40.40 | svuorela | DeepBlue: find kmix.git or tar.gz |
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| 09:43.47 | DeepBlue | svuorela: i don't have a pannel volume icon.why is that? |
| 09:47.37 | svuorela | DeepBlue: is kmix installed on your system ? |
| 09:47.59 | DeepBlue | svuorela: i don't no |
| 09:48.08 | svuorela | DeepBlue: what is your system ? |
| 09:48.16 | DeepBlue | Mint |
| 09:48.48 | DeepBlue | svuorela: Mint |
| 09:49.04 | svuorela | apt-get install kmix |
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| 09:50.51 | DeepBlue | svuorela: it says :E: Unable to locate package Kmix |
| 09:52.06 | svuorela | interesting ? |
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| 09:56.16 | DeepBlue | svuorela: i founr 3 packager in synaptic:Kmix,Kmix-dev and kmix-dbg,whach one 2 install? |
| 09:56.46 | DeepBlue | svuorela: i found 3 packages in synaptic:Kmix,Kmix-dev and kmix-dbg,which one 2 install? |
| 09:56.49 | svuorela | DeepBlue: kmix |
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| 09:57.05 | DeepBlue | svuorela: ok,thanx |
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| 10:03.25 | zipper | I have a slight issue though. Why can't my KDE clock auto update time when connected to the net? |
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| 10:08.18 | zipper | I have a slight issue though. Why can't my KDE clock auto update time when connected to the net? |
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| 11:26.01 | leszek | hi |
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| 11:53.34 | bea | is there any documentation on how to configure kde system-wide, for all users? |
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| 11:57.40 | einar77_work | bea: you mean the KDE workspace? and if so, what configuration exactly? |
| 11:58.03 | einar77_work | for the desktop, you can write javascript files to do things the moment a user logs in for the first time |
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| 12:01.42 | bea | einar77_work: just to give you an example, i would like to remove the dolphin and konqueror launchers from the panel. with most applications (like dolphin), i have no trouble editing the *rc files in /usr/share/kde/config (or something like that), but i wanted to make sure that's the proper way |
| 12:02.20 | einar77_work | yes. you can use Plasma scripting |
| 12:02.20 | einar77_work | no need to modify RC files |
| 12:02.20 | einar77_work | bea: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDesktopScripting |
| 12:02.28 | bea | is that a configuration backend? i was under the impression that plasma scripting is something you for 'live interaction' |
| 12:06.09 | bea | einar77_work: i don't understand the scenario of that documentation. is that really for setting the defaults? |
| 12:06.50 | bea | maybe i should ask differently: kde in debian looks different from kde in mageia. where did the mageia distributors make those changes? |
| 12:07.09 | einar77_work | bea: I can't tell for them, but in openSUSE we use scripting |
| 12:07.22 | einar77_work | and one patch to the rc files I think |
| 12:08.55 | bea | einar77_work: ok, then i will look into it. |
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| 12:28.18 | DeepBlue | how 2 change from tree to tabs? |
| 12:28.56 | leszek | DeepBlue: in what ? Konversation ? |
| 12:29.17 | DeepBlue | leszek: quassel |
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| 12:31.55 | leszek | hmm... I don't use quassel here. But I guess it must be somewhere in the settings like in konversation |
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| 12:34.13 | DeepBlue | leszek: i 'm logged in kde and i noticed there is no pannel volume icon |
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| 12:35.33 | Sho_ | DeepBlue: weren't you using Konvi yesterday? |
| 12:37.13 | DeepBlue | Sho_: i use both |
| 12:37.35 | Sho_ | ah |
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| 12:43.31 | DeepBlue | leszek: so how 2 get kmix running? |
| 12:45.43 | leszek | DeepBlue: ALT+F2 type in kmix and enter |
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| 12:59.45 | bea | einar77_work: i figured out how it works now, thanks again. but i must say, if every application that i'm configuring had their own way of doing things instead of using good old plain text files i'd be growing old here. the superficial impression that most kde applications are neatly organized but plasma is a mess continues on the configuration level it seems. |
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| 13:00.32 | einar77_work | bea: it was used successfully for large deployments, so I would not call it "mess" |
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| 13:02.15 | bea | einar77_work: i understand that complex solutions have advantages in complex scenarios, but for a pedestrian like me this means that things become increasingly inaccessible, something that does not happen when applications use plain text files for configuration. |
| 13:02.54 | einar77_work | bea: the advantage of scripting is that it is run regardless even if the user has not a .kde4 directory ready |
| 13:02.58 | einar77_work | (e.g. first login) |
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| 13:03.05 | einar77_work | however nthing stops you from doing both things |
| 13:03.22 | einar77_work | (as I said, opensuse does it like this, a patch to some *rc files and the rest via scripting) |
| 13:03.29 | bea | einar77_work: i tried editing the plasma*rc files, it's impossible |
| 13:04.49 | bea | don't worry, i will get the hang of this plasma scripting, i'm just glad that not every application takes that much getting into before i can configure it |
| 13:06.54 | bea | anyway, sorry, i'm done ranting now |
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| 13:42.20 | Akronym | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 <<-- why not? I mean, sure, the KDE-config would be gone then, but what is the issue apart from that? |
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| 13:43.04 | thiago | your mail might be gone |
| 13:43.12 | thiago | other important information might be gone |
| 13:43.24 | thiago | and it doesn't allow us to get the bad config files for fixing the problem |
| 13:43.43 | bea | einar77_work: i've got a more specific question, since you seem to be familiar with plasma desktop scripting: i successfully changed the default panel setup script, but it isn't clear to me from the documentation how i can know the names of possible objects, like 'digital-clock'. is there a list somewhere? also, i would like to change the position of the cashew (is that even its name? i mean the widget in the corner of every screen)? |
| 13:44.38 | Achillion | Akronym: fixing sutff >> nuking stuff |
| 13:45.08 | Achillion | "My computer's slow" - "Reformat" |
| 13:45.13 | Achillion | ... every |
| 13:45.16 | Achillion | six months |
| 13:45.21 | bea | Akronym: unfortunately, program settings and personal data are mixed in many of the ~/.* folders, this lack of distinction is not specific to kde. |
| 13:45.29 | systemclient | is it normal that `qdbus` does not work all the sudden with a Kubuntu upgrade? |
| 13:45.50 | systemclient | bea: XDG_CONFIG_DIR should fix that |
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| 13:46.09 | Akronym | thiago, ok... so imho a KMail bug, as for such data, ~/.local should be used |
| 13:46.37 | thiago | Akronym: it's not a bug when it's done by design |
| 13:46.47 | Achillion | "it's a feature" |
| 13:46.50 | thiago | yes |
| 13:46.52 | Achillion | :) |
| 13:47.00 | thiago | anyway, newer versions of KMail do store in ~/.local |
| 13:47.01 | Akronym | Achillion, agreed, but *especially* with KDE, users tend to have a hard time with its config, so nuking may be an option here and there. |
| 13:47.21 | bea | einar77_work: good to know. would love such separation by default though. same issue with iceweasel and mail programs. my solution has always been symbolic links. |
| 13:47.30 | thiago | just remember that most applications with KF5 will use ~/.local for storing their files, so we'll have to recommend "don't delete ~/.local" |
| 13:47.35 | Achillion | The most drastic solution for me is to move/rename ~/.kde4 , regenerate defaults and diff them |
| 13:47.39 | systemclient | do you have any idea what the following might be causing: I cannot connect to anything using the Plasma nm Widget, cannot mount USB sticks, cannot shut down (only log out)? |
| 13:47.52 | Akronym | anyway, I agree users should not just delete .kde, they should know what they are doing there |
| 13:48.32 | Akronym | thiago, does this newer release move the data there or will it just be the valid store-path for new installs? |
| 13:48.53 | thiago | Akronym: it does not move. It simply imports the data into the new place. |
| 13:48.58 | thiago | you'll have your email twice. |
| 13:49.05 | Achillion | Akronym: I believe (correct me if I'm wrong Mr. Ops) that the topic is there to prevent any loss of data from misinformation. If someone wants to solve his problems by deleting ~/.kde4 , he should at least know what he's nuking. |
| 13:49.12 | einar77_work | in the forums one of the first rules we have is *do not delete .kde[4]* |
| 13:49.21 | einar77_work | s/rules/recommendations/g |
| 13:49.22 | Akronym | thiago, well... not quite optimal if you ask me :) |
| 13:51.34 | thiago | Akronym: in case the conversion fails :-) |
| 13:52.11 | Akronym | but the actual reason for me being here... how much RAM should one expect to have used right after login with KDE 4.10 on a somewhat default system? |
| 13:52.22 | Achillion | storage is cheap, data's priceless |
| 13:52.38 | Achillion | *invaluable |
| 13:53.16 | Achillion | Akronym: I think my setup starts up at around 800 M |
| 13:53.16 | Akronym | thiago, does KMail inform the user after the import that he *may* review the process and delete the old mailfolder? |
| 13:53.24 | thiago | Akronym: yes |
| 13:53.42 | thiago | Akronym: after logging in, you should have a couple of gigabytes free |
| 13:53.47 | Akronym | thiago, ok... then I'd be fine with it I guess :) |
| 13:54.16 | Akronym | thiago, how does "a couple of GB free" compute if you do not know how much RAM a system has in the first place? |
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| 13:54.31 | thiago | Akronym: that's exactly the point |
| 13:54.47 | Akronym | and "a couple of" I guess you couldn't go less specific there :-p |
| 13:54.49 | Achillion | Lots of programs like to expand to fill up space when they can :) |
| 13:54.55 | thiago | Akronym: a couple of gigabytes free sounds more or less correct for "somewhat default system" |
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| 13:55.20 | Achillion | "expand" may be a misnomer her |
| 13:55.20 | Achillion | e |
| 13:56.45 | Akronym | thiago, nack. I know "default system" is rather fuzzy, but I don't think you know all major distros and would know how they compare. SO take your distro / setup, plain KDE, no apps apart from those default gadgets and stuff. How much RAM is used there after a reboot and login? |
| 13:58.01 | Akronym | Achillion, don't you think 800MB is rather... well... too much? |
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| 13:58.24 | Akronym | Achillion, here it is roundabout 600MB and I am not very pleased about that. |
| 13:58.38 | Achillion | Akronym: Depends. Mail, calendar and task resources are always loaded in the background |
| 13:59.02 | Achillion | So if I remove those, i'll get a leaner system, but thunderbird (which would be my alternative to kmail) would eat up more |
| 13:59.43 | Achillion | Krunner loads up at startup too, and that guy is absolutely brilliant for doing anything on the system. All his little plugins and stuff take up some space too, I assume |
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| 14:00.40 | svuorela | oh noh. disaster. the ram I do not use is used by a background process making my life easier. call the media! |
| 14:01.04 | Achillion | of coure I could use something like a plain window manager with no fullblown desktop environment stuff, and boot up with 200 M used, but I wouldn't get all these nice toys. I'm willing to part with 1/8th of my RAM for toys |
| 14:01.50 | Achillion | where toys = stuff that actually increases productivity |
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| 14:02.19 | Akronym | Achillion, well... 800 vs. 600MB, my system is more or less plain KDE, no kmail used or any other stuff (yet), there may be some gadgets loaded that I do not need / want, but let's just get it this way: Lean KDE, without loosing too much features, possible to get the roussources down to... well... 200MB? |
| 14:02.35 | Achillion | Doubt it |
| 14:03.03 | Achillion | I've never dissected where the memory usage goes in detail, so I can't say for sure |
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| 14:03.22 | Akronym | Achillion, well... that sucks :) |
| 14:03.28 | Achillion | Maybe try no panels, no desktop effects and disable everything and see what the absolute minimum is |
| 14:03.32 | svuorela | Akronym: where does ksysguard tell your memory is going ? |
| 14:03.57 | Achillion | If you're looking for a DE/WM with a 200 M footprint, why not go LXDE or just something like i3? |
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| 14:05.25 | Akronym | Achillion, I have already that kind of DE, KDE is just a... well... momentary stoping point, so to say :) |
| 14:05.45 | Achillion | Well ... |
| 14:06.00 | Achillion | The argument I always use is: It's not bloat if you're actually using it |
| 14:06.19 | Akronym | svuorela, plasma-desktop alone 150MB |
| 14:06.48 | Akronym | Achillion, nack... there is a difference to make. |
| 14:07.19 | Akronym | for instance I use my IRC client very much, but it uses right now 130MB, that is way too much and just bloat! |
| 14:07.32 | Achillion | I am the kind of person that likes to keep his email outside the browser and likes to have it always on and likes flashy notifications and desktop integration, which is why I don't mind that Kontact is using 100M as opposed to keeping it in the browser or using Mutt |
| 14:08.05 | Akronym | Achillion, me too... |
| 14:08.22 | Achillion | Well if you *want* the features that are taking up 100 M, they're not bloat |
| 14:08.47 | Achillion | I don't *want* the features that a big gui irc client provides, so I use irssi ... on a remote server no less |
| 14:08.49 | Akronym | Achillion, they are, as other systems have the same features with way less RAM usage |
| 14:08.57 | Achillion | They dont |
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| 14:09.43 | Akronym | Achillion, I do not know *all* features KDE has, granted. :) |
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| 14:11.04 | Akronym | Achillion, but what is there that uses that much resources and is nice to have? |
| 14:11.16 | Achillion | I used to use thunderbird. I love thunderbird. But it took up as much if not more memory than kmail. Kmail however doesn't need a separate address book, it uses the one integrated into kde, so I can hit krunner and start a compose window to a certain person. Not the best feature of all time, but I like the convenience. |
| 14:11.32 | Achillion | (for instance) |
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| 14:12.06 | Achillion | And when I have an event coming up in my calendar, it shows up on my clock widget, which I also didn't get from thunderbird |
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| 14:13.01 | Ringtailed-Fox | is there any chance that someone would be willing to help me port KIO_Gopher and KIO_Fish over to KDE for Windows? i'm not sure how to do it properly on my own... |
| 14:13.06 | Achillion | and then there's stuff like theming, system-wide spellchecker, system-wide search (emails, events, anything) |
| 14:14.25 | Akronym | Achillion, for examle that mail-thing... well, thunderbird sucks, as it has some rather badass memleaks, I prefer claws nowadays. Same went with Evolution back in the days, they are just bloat compared to leaner stuff like claws, and I don't mean just initial RAM usage right after startup, they get bigger and bigger over time, so one HAS to restart them every couple of days. That just sucks! |
| 14:14.55 | Akronym | no idea how KMail does there... |
| 14:14.57 | Achillion | Akronym: if I didn't want integrated address books and calendars, I'd just use mutt |
| 14:15.30 | Akronym | Achillion, that would be too lean for me ;) |
| 14:15.55 | Achillion | I guess I'm a bit bipolar ... |
| 14:16.06 | Achillion | All or nothing :) |
| 14:16.10 | Akronym | hehe |
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| 14:17.40 | Akronym | btw. KDE theming... quite confusing. As I see is with KDE you have to set many different options in order to change the global theme? Whereas with Mate (think gnome2) I would just change the theme and be done with it? |
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| 14:19.33 | Achillion | Well you have desktop theme, which affects panels and widgets, window theme, which affects borders and decorations and then there's color scheme, which affects the colours of the "insides" of windows (fonts etc) |
| 14:20.16 | Achillion | It can get messy, but I was just using the defaults for a couple of years until recently where I started working at night a lot and switched to a dark theme |
| 14:20.27 | Akronym | Desktop Appearance + Application Appearance and several knobs in each to change the theme. |
| 14:20.42 | Akronym | Achillion, exactly what I try to achive now :) |
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| 14:22.48 | Akronym | Achillion, so "Desktop Thema" is set to "Produkt" looks like a dark grey theme. But apps still look blue-grey-defaultish |
| 14:22.56 | Achillion | I'm using androbit desktop theme, oxygen window decorations with a grey-white glow, and manually customised colours |
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| 14:23.32 | Akronym | ah, and I guess that only affects KDE-stuff and apps anyway? How about GTK-apps? |
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| 14:24.13 | Achillion | Only gtk app I use these days is Firefox |
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| 14:25.11 | Achillion | but regardless, if you install oxygen-gtk you get the same theming in gtk apps |
| 14:25.24 | Akronym | Achillion, what widget style do you use? Its under "Application Appearance" |
| 14:25.37 | Achillion | Oxygen |
| 14:27.38 | Akronym | ii gtk2-engines-oxygen:i386 1.3.3-2 i386 Oxygen widget theme for GTK+-based application <<-- Achillion, this one? (debian here) |
| 14:28.05 | Achillion | should be that, yeah |
| 14:28.31 | Akronym | and gtk3-engines-oxygen respectively for gtk3-stuff |
| 14:28.34 | Achillion | this is what my desktop looks like https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13125373/mytheme.png with dolphin as an example window |
| 14:28.38 | Achillion | yup |
| 14:28.55 | Achillion | and a couple of conkies |
| 14:30.11 | Achillion | Not the most good looking desktop, but it works nice in the dakr |
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| 14:30.54 | Achillion | dark* |
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| 14:33.48 | Akronym | Achillion, would yoz please change dolphins view to "details" and not icons and see if half of the folders / files names get unreadable? |
| 14:33.54 | Akronym | you even |
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| 14:36.35 | Achillion | Akronym: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13125373/dolphin_details.png |
| 14:37.18 | Akronym | Achillion, http://ananke.no-ip.biz:8080/screenshot.png |
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| 14:39.55 | Achillion | Akronym: the tricky part when configuring colours is figuring out what each colour changes. What helped me was setting everything to very different colours (red, green, blue, white, yellow, ...) and noting what changes |
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| 14:40.26 | Akronym | Achillion, *lol* |
| 14:40.50 | Achillion | heh :) |
| 14:41.19 | Achillion | for instance under "view", normal and alternate background, normal and inactive text ... had to play around with those to understand exactly which is which |
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| 14:43.30 | DeepBlue | y firefox breaks evrery time i lif in kde,and y does kde suppory konquerer? |
| 14:44.14 | cb400f | how do you break firefox in kde? |
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| 14:46.29 | DeepBlue | cb400f: it woudn't open but rather sar that fire fox is running but not responding bla bla ba |
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| 14:47.07 | cb400f | then check if there's a firefox process running.. kill it.. then run firefox from a terminal and see what happens |
| 14:47.10 | DeepBlue | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.21 | cb400f | and try if the same thing happens for a new user |
| 14:48.15 | DeepBlue | ok ,i'll check |
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| 14:59.45 | Akronym | Achillion, fyi, relogin was necessary to let sane colors apply to e.g. dolphin |
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| 15:00.28 | Akronym | Achillion, ttp://ananke.no-ip.biz:8080/screenshot.png |
| 15:00.34 | Akronym | Achillion, http://ananke.no-ip.biz:8080/screenshot.png |
| 15:01.42 | Achillion | Akronym: some of them, sometimes, maybe :) I think you can close and reopen dolphin and it works sometimes, or reload plasma desktop |
| 15:01.49 | Achillion | but reloading plasma desktop doesn't alway go well |
| 15:02.13 | Achillion | Akronym: just remember to save your schemes before breaking them again :) |
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| 15:02.52 | Achillion | Akronym: you can also check the built-in and downloadable schemes. There's some great dark ones in there too |
| 15:03.04 | Akronym | Achillion, yeah, I suppose there are other ways to force a theme re-applaying, but the experience I got up to now with KDE (4) says: relogin and be done with it. :) |
| 15:03.18 | Achillion | I guess |
| 15:03.19 | Achillion | :) |
| 15:03.23 | Achillion | anyway |
| 15:03.24 | Achillion | back to work |
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| 15:11.25 | darkeox | hello, I'm using KDE 4.11.2 under Archlinux with nouveau FOSS driver for my Nvidia GPU. I have to problems : my Firefox looks like it was under Windows 2000 (though I installed Oxygen addon) and I'm experiencing some horizontal tearing. I'm using OpenGL 3.1 with Raster backend. Vsync is activated. what should I do , |
| 15:11.29 | darkeox | hello, I'm using KDE 4.11.2 under Archlinux with nouveau FOSS driver for my Nvidia GPU. I have to problems : my Firefox looks like it was under Windows 2000 (though I installed Oxygen addon) and I'm experiencing some horizontal tearing. I'm using OpenGL 3.1 with Raster backend. Vsync is activated. what should I do ? |
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| 15:15.03 | Aristide | darkeox: Hi |
| 15:15.20 | Aristide | darkeox: For your problem, you must install "GTK Oxygen engine" |
| 15:15.38 | Aristide | darkeox: I don't know the package name on archLinux, but in opensuse the name is (wait) |
| 15:15.45 | darkeox | hm ? why GTK ? |
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| 15:15.55 | Aristide | darkeox: Because Firefox use Gtk :) |
| 15:15.57 | darkeox | I'm using KDE... ? |
| 15:16.03 | darkeox | ok |
| 15:16.06 | Aristide | darkeox: Yes, but Firefox use GTK Librairie ^^ |
| 15:16.10 | Aristide | And KDE : Qt |
| 15:16.11 | darkeox | ok |
| 15:16.34 | Aristide | So, package is named oxygen-gtk2 and oxygen-gtk3 |
| 15:16.38 | Aristide | On openSUSE |
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| 15:16.53 | Aristide | The name can be different on Archlinux good luck :) |
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| 15:17.44 | Aristide | darkeox: Change one setting after installation can be required |
| 15:17.45 | darkeox | found them |
| 15:17.50 | Aristide | :) |
| 15:18.32 | darkeox | didn't change firefox appearance that much... |
| 15:18.39 | Aristide | darkeox: http://i.imgur.com/zEtlqxn.png You must change that after install (in Systemsettings > Application Appearance (I don't know English named) |
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| 15:19.41 | DeepBlue | every time t go to pannel the curspr jumps up screen,i wann prevent it |
| 15:19.43 | Aristide | And launch firefox |
| 15:19.55 | Aristide | ? |
| 15:20.02 | darkeox | I don't have the "gtk" option... |
| 15:20.21 | Aristide | Hmpf |
| 15:20.46 | darkeox | anything else I should install ? |
| 15:20.49 | Aristide | Close settings, try a "kbuildsycoca4" in terminal and reopen window for see... If icon don't appear again, I can't help you more |
| 15:21.29 | darkeox | mmh... it hasn't appeared. |
| 15:21.49 | Aristide | Wait I check my package manager |
| 15:22.16 | Aristide | darkeox: what is a package name on your distribution ? |
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| 15:23.43 | pablerkas | hey guys, is it possible to drag a file to a window using present windows effect? |
| 15:24.19 | darkeox | uh, I'm not sure abour what you're asking but basically, kde is called "kde" |
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| 15:25.43 | pablerkas | is that answer for me, darkeox? |
| 15:25.47 | Aristide | darkeox: I speak about gtk oxygen style :) |
| 15:25.49 | Akronym | pablerkas, no |
| 15:26.05 | Akronym | darkeox, what distro do you run? |
| 15:26.23 | Aristide | So, darkeox https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uniform_Look_for_Qt_and_GTK_Applications |
| 15:26.31 | pablerkas | ok |
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| 15:26.56 | Aristide | So, pablerkas try to install "kde-gtk-config" too |
| 15:28.44 | darkeox | ok, I'm working on that |
| 15:29.14 | Aristide | pablerkas: Sorry, |
| 15:29.18 | Aristide | Bad tab x) |
| 15:31.40 | Aristide | darkeox: Its work with kde-gtk-config ? |
| 15:32.06 | DeepBlue | every time t go to the pannel the curspr jumps up screen,i wanna prevent this |
| 15:33.25 | darkeox | Aristide, installing it right now |
| 15:33.33 | Aristide | =) Ok |
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| 15:36.16 | darkeox | yup it does ! :) |
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| 15:37.09 | Aristide | darkeox: \o/ |
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| 15:38.34 | darkeox | alright, as for the horizontal tearing... no solution ? |
| 15:38.41 | Akronym | hum... dunno what happend exactly, but dolphin does not open reliable anymore... closed it a minute ago, now tried to open it again: does not open. |
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| 15:39.06 | darkeox | Last time I checked it they said they were waiting kde 4.11 to solve it but... |
| 15:40.04 | cb400f | most likely a gfx driver issue.. so review your gfx driver choice, and/or disable the desktop effect which likely triggers the bug |
| 15:40.21 | cb400f | after you've figured out which one |
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| 15:41.48 | Akronym | holy shit... dolphin just took several minutes to open again... |
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| 15:42.55 | Nohus | Hello, I'm struggling to find where KDE saves wallpaper configuration, I need to edit wallpapers manually, does anyone know where wallpaper settings are stored? |
| 15:43.06 | d_ed | Nohus: ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
| 15:43.12 | Akronym | and clicking a file / folder in it, does nothing. Nor does clicking a button do a thing, it behaves like one tries to click on an image |
| 15:44.03 | Akronym | ah, now it is responsive again... wtf? |
| 15:44.12 | Nohus | d_ed: Oh many thanks to you I looked everywhere. |
| 15:44.52 | Akronym | as soon as I rightclick on a file (pdf / mp4 so far) dolphin stops responding for.. well, minutes. |
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| 15:49.50 | Akronym | ok, it seems it just takes (aprt from long startup time) it just takes minutes to open the context menu of e.g. a pdf. What could be broken here? |
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| 15:50.19 | Akronym | CPU is more or less idle at the time |
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| 15:51.25 | Papierkorb | Evening, got a question on Konsole: At work I use ubuntu, which as the name suggests uses a archaic version compared to mine on my home desktop running Arch. Thing is, that in the older version there was a button to hide the tab bar, which is gone in the recent version. Can I fix this? |
| 15:51.36 | Akronym | rightclick on a shortcut (left side of dolphin, like on the "Home"-shortcut) works fast |
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| 15:55.23 | Achillion | Papierkorb: The option still exists in the settings, if that's what you're referring to |
| 15:55.38 | Papierkorb | Yeah, but it must be somewhere else, I can't find it |
| 15:55.42 | Achillion | Papierkorb: Settings > Configure Konsole > General |
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| 15:55.52 | Achillion | oh no |
| 15:55.59 | Achillion | Papierkorb: Settings > Configure Konsole > TabBar |
| 15:56.15 | Papierkorb | Achillion: don't worry, already found it with the typo in it, thanks! |
| 15:56.21 | Achillion | :) |
| 15:56.47 | Akronym | and sound is also broken :) |
| 15:57.33 | Achillion | Akronym: context menu in dolphin could be slow due to "services" |
| 15:58.22 | Akronym | as in pulseaudio does not respond, even after respawning it (kill it, it restarts automatically again) and tried opening phonon-configuration in system-settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon, which does present a "waiting"-animated mouse-cursor but nothing else happens. |
| 15:58.40 | Akronym | Achillion, slow as in *minutes* top open it? |
| 15:58.49 | Akronym | s/top/to/ |
| 15:58.52 | Achillion | Check what you have enabled. You might have a bunch enabled that dolphin tries to load to see what's applicable for each file (merely a guess) |
| 15:59.06 | Akronym | Achillion, check where? |
| 15:59.22 | Achillion | I really don't know. I guess it's possible to take that long if there are too many |
| 15:59.37 | Achillion | Configure Dolphin > Services |
| 15:59.45 | Akronym | Achillion, I did not enable / install anything, default KDE stuff |
| 16:00.32 | Achillion | Well, it was just a thought :) |
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| 16:02.17 | Akronym | Achillion, clicked "services" there, does not respond too anymore, same as for multimedia-settings and dolphin startup + dolphin context-menu... it just seems depending on what one clicks (context menu in dolphin and phonon-settings in system-settings -> multimedia seem to be awfully different things) it just takes minutes to react. |
| 16:02.28 | Akronym | so something seems to be broken at a deeper level |
| 16:03.06 | Achillion | something's not right |
| 16:03.12 | Achillion | maybe someone who knows more can help |
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| 16:04.56 | Akronym | and as I thought, after *minutes* phonon-settings poped up... |
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| 16:05.46 | Akronym | Achillion, fair enough... but consider users just wanting their damn desktop machines to work and then stuff like that happens. And such stuff tends to happen more on KDE than any other DE... |
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| 16:09.44 | Achillion | Well, those users can go ahead and reformat everything if they don't like fixing things :) |
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| 16:12.22 | Akronym | Achillion, I am here and ask for help fixing stuff. As in the past when stuff like that happend I just used a different DE and all was well again. But I want to make the "KDE challenge" of some sorts, that means trying to figure out the issues and actually USE KDE for some time... |
| 16:14.00 | Achillion | heh sure, I understand. I was implying anything about you. I just have a particular issue with the "just works" mentality of certain things, sometimes :) |
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| 16:15.51 | Akronym | Achillion, well, nothing wrong with that mentaility / expactations of users. As stuff just tends to "just work" on other DEs from what I KNOW (used almost all other major DEs over the last ten or so years) and heard from other users. |
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| 16:16.33 | Achillion | I've had quite the opposite experience |
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| 16:18.55 | Achillion | Gnome 3 was a bit of a pain to set up the way I wanted (but that was 2 years ago) and awesome, i3, xmonad and openbox WMs never seemed to work out exactly the way I wanted them. |
| 16:19.25 | Achillion | To each their own, I guess |
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| 16:27.47 | Achillion | What I would absolutely love is some more advanced tiling in KDE. I know there's ways to get it done, and I already use the rudimentary tiling features, but some more advanced stuff would be groovy |
| 16:28.00 | Achillion | Perhaps I'll code a plugin when I'm done with everything else ... |
| 16:28.35 | Achillion | (doubt it) |
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| 16:56.34 | Akronym | Achillion, with Gnome3 (gnome-shell) the issue was (still is) a different one. While on Gnome you have the issue of non-existing (removed) features which you have to re-introduce with extensions. And that process does need time and is still ongoing as extensions do not appear from thin air, someone has to code them first. Xmonad, awsome and company are also a diferent thing altogether, and I would not count that stuff anyway near "major DE stuff" either. Bu |
| 16:56.34 | Akronym | for that stuff, the issue is not weird bugs, it is rather a bit cumbersome / hard to set up in the way you like it. Whereas with KDE, stuff just tends to be "rough". Like, nice features for sure, but unstable, buggy and braindead (imho) designed from time to time. And instead of refining the bad design, new features are introduced. Instability issues and plain bugs tend to get addressed, but might take several releases to get fixed, as (imho) adding new fea |
| 16:56.35 | Akronym | is more important than refining / foxing things. |
| 16:57.40 | Akronym | s/fox/fix/ |
| 16:58.06 | Achillion | I've never had any instabilities, was what I was trying to say |
| 16:58.31 | Achillion | While I did have instabilities with Gnome (again, 2 years ago) |
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| 17:00.04 | Akronym | and as of now I have no idea if my issue is a bug, or just some distro or even local setup issue. |
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| 17:01.33 | Akronym | Achillion, well, then you seem to live on a different planet ;) But to be fair, the situation might be different from distro to distro and of course from user to user. But I just refer to stuff that many users complained about over the years, and that was removed features from gnome and instability / rough edges on KDE |
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| 17:02.52 | darkeox | someone got any clue on Kde horizontal tearing issue ? |
| 17:03.06 | Achillion | Akronym: Arch linux <3 |
| 17:04.05 | Akronym | Achillion, my experience with espcially early KDE4 releases was: buggy. Before KDE 4.2 i'd even say almost unusable. |
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| 17:04.48 | phobos_anomaly | Akronym: It's still that way sometimes; buggy. IME anyway |
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| 17:06.28 | Achillion | I can understand what you mean. When I was on ubuntu, especially if I started with gnome, uninstalled it and installed KDE, I'd get some really messed up stuff. Ever since I started using arch, everything has been clean and pure. I've handpicked every single package (well, except all the base stuff, which is nothing) on my installations, so if something is causing issues, I have a good idea of what's going on in the background. |
| 17:06.46 | Akronym | phobos_anomaly, well...yeah, but it got better. Recently I just heard from really annoying sound-issues with rather recent releases and one or two other annoying / weird bugs which got not fixed for several releases. Overal stability has improved indeed. |
| 17:07.38 | Akronym | Achillion, but you said you NEVER had any issues, so what is it now? :) |
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| 17:08.27 | phobos_anomaly | Akronym: yeah, it has on some releases. 4.11 seems to be a disaster on my systems, but others report really good experiences... |
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| 17:08.54 | phobos_anomaly | It could be drivers on mine too.. went full stallman mode |
| 17:10.04 | Achillion | Akronym: well back then I had issues with everything ... it was ubuntu. It wasn't KDE issues, it was rogue package issues. |
| 17:10.18 | Akronym | phobos_anomaly, well... if drivers are the issue, very very bad from KDE folks. First and foremost nowadays a DE *must* work well with free drivers. Depending on blobs is just a bad idea. |
| 17:11.14 | Akronym | after all it is just the UI and not a fancy game... |
| 17:11.45 | Akronym | Achillion, do you remember what KDE releases you used? |
| 17:11.50 | Achillion | Akronym: I had tearing in gnome3 which was caused by catalyst incompatibilities too. radeon worked fine, but ran too hot. The point is figuring out what the issue is and getting down to it, not throwing your hands up and saying "KDE's broken, man" |
| 17:12.24 | phobos_anomaly | Akronym: One of these days, I'll do some troubleshooting and get to the root of my issues so I know whose door step to lay the blame on. |
| 17:12.53 | Achillion | Akronym: Well, I probably migrated away from gnome3 and back to kde around... 3 years ago? |
| 17:13.05 | phobos_anomaly | and then file some bugs and probably patches to fix it. |
| 17:13.17 | Achillion | let me check the verison history |
| 17:13.17 | Akronym | Achillion, fglrx and nvidia blob have their own issues. And because they are closed it is next to impossible to "get down and fix it". So I tend to only refer to open drivers, which work rather well these days anyway. |
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| 17:13.32 | Achillion | Akronym: that wasn't the point |
| 17:13.54 | Akronym | Achillion, what was the point? |
| 17:14.02 | Achillion | the point was that I knew what the issue was and I made an informed choice. I didn't just throw out a blanket statement that "gnome3 is broken" |
| 17:14.18 | Akronym | What I said was a response to "fglrx had issues with tearing on Gnome3" |
| 17:14.26 | Achillion | I know |
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| 17:14.44 | Akronym | so my response was just "blobs suck" :) |
| 17:15.08 | Achillion | What I'm trying to say is that blanket statements such as "KDE has issues" are meaningless, just like me saying "gnome3 is broken" in that instance would have been. |
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| 17:15.40 | phobos_anomaly | Akronym: That's debatable. The NVidia blob has given me very few, if any issues over the last few years. |
| 17:16.04 | Achillion | You are currently experiencing a bug where context menus require minutes to pop out. that could be caused by anything. A kde bug, or a borked system configuration, or missing dependencies, or a bad hard drive. |
| 17:16.25 | Akronym | phobos_anomaly, agreed, nvidia blob is not as bad as fglrx, but still, you tend to run into issues alone because they are blobs. |
| 17:17.05 | Akronym | most recent issue I have with nvidia blob: right after login, 1,5GB RAM used, with nouveau less than half of it. |
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| 17:17.14 | Akronym | on KDE that is |
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| 17:19.48 | Achillion | Just switch to Arch Linux and you'll be happy :D |
| 17:20.51 | Kelsar | Gentoo is the only way to go! :) |
| 17:21.29 | kaffeebohne | If you like to look at text scrolling by for hours yes Kelsar. :p |
| 17:21.36 | Achillion | eyes Kelsar from across the room. |
| 17:21.42 | kaffeebohne | +1 for Arch Linux |
| 17:21.49 | Kelsar | there is a --quiet option ;) |
| 17:21.58 | Achillion | lol |
| 17:22.04 | kaffeebohne | But, but … thats even more boring! :p |
| 17:22.10 | Achillion | Well, that changes everything |
| 17:22.32 | mouu11 | Arch ?? i'm chakra user guys |
| 17:22.56 | Achillion | archers generally think gentoos are crazy .. but I guess the same is said about archers if you're using another distro |
| 17:22.56 | Kelsar | Atleast you would use this mult GB RAM and all of the CPU cores you got and the best thing is, it will also keep you warm! |
| 17:22.57 | kaffeebohne | Yeah, everything based on arch sucks pretty much. :p |
| 17:23.13 | eagles0513875 | hey guys how can i disable the message preview in kmail |
| 17:24.34 | Achillion | eagles0513875: settings > configure > appearance > layout |
| 17:24.40 | kaffeebohne | Kelsar: I like my Laptop quiet, without the fans distracting me from configuring every last detail of my system. :p |
| 17:24.40 | Achillion | "Message preview pane" |
| 17:25.20 | eagles0513875 | thanks Achillion |
| 17:25.28 | Kelsar | kaffeebohne: so your room will stay cold, not good for the ladys bro |
| 17:25.28 | Achillion | cheers |
| 17:25.42 | Achillion | Might as well help with some KDE-related stuff while we're fighting over distros |
| 17:25.46 | Kelsar | is out of office now ;) |
| 17:25.53 | kaffeebohne | Kelsar: I don't need no ladies here, my man is ok with a cold room. :p |
| 17:26.33 | Achillion | Kelsar: It gets up to 40 C here. I'm good without the extra heating |
| 17:26.56 | Achillion | If I need to warm up the room in the winter, I'll just run "yes" |
| 17:30.03 | phobos_anomaly | Achillion: The general opinion of Arch these days is that it's worse than a white trash distro and the users all belong in mental health wards ;) |
| 17:31.46 | Achillion | phobos_anomaly: that's interesting. I don't get such comments usually. I've been living in an arch bubble for a while |
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| 17:32.11 | kaffeebohne | Achillion: And we have the AUR to keep us warm if we need to. ^^ |
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| 17:32.26 | Achillion | makepkg -i |
| 17:32.29 | Achillion | makepkg -i love |
| 17:33.16 | phobos_anomaly | aracele: It's just the general opinion I often see when lurking in various channels and someone asks for help with Arch. |
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| 17:33.45 | Achillion | Was that aimed at me? |
| 17:33.57 | phobos_anomaly | oh, yeah, tab-completion error |
| 17:34.00 | Achillion | :D |
| 17:34.02 | phobos_anomaly | aracele: sorry |
| 17:34.04 | phobos_anomaly | :) |
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| 17:34.26 | Achillion | #archlinux is fun as long as you don't have issues that can be solved by the wiki and a bit of googling :P |
| 17:34.40 | Achillion | if you do, well, they might murder you in your sleep |
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| 17:52.22 | Akronym | Achillion, how does switching distro help? And no, I would *never* switch a distro just because some package in the stack cuases issues. |
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| 17:54.44 | Achillion | Well, for one, it's much easier to get a clean installation with just the stuff you need when you start with a minimal base and install the stuff you need, rather than start with 1000 preinstalled packages and try to remote the stuff you dont need. Then there's things that the distributions themselves contribute to a package (that may not always be pushed upstream). |
| 17:54.58 | Achillion | s/remote/remove/ |
| 17:55.14 | Achillion | then there's package versions |
| 17:55.15 | Akronym | Achillion, I could do the very same on debian, and even did several times. |
| 17:55.34 | Akronym | Achillion, package versions? |
| 17:55.42 | Achillion | Yes |
| 17:55.49 | Akronym | Achillion, what do you mean there? |
| 17:56.12 | Akronym | al packages on debian have version numbers too, so I think you meant something different ;) |
| 17:56.57 | Achillion | I believe Debian has several options when it comes to updates. Stable, testing, unstable, and if you keep an installation long enough, you get security updates only (is that right?) |
| 17:57.18 | Achillion | afaik most debian derivatives work that way |
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| 17:58.41 | Achillion | so the speed with which you get new shiny toys and bugfixes differs from distro to distro. The popular opinion is that rolling distros break more often because of this, but again, I've had the opposite experience, as long as you apply some care. |
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| 17:59.46 | Akronym | Achillion, I am on debian sid (unstable) on all desktops, completetly different than debian stable |
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| 18:00.42 | Achillion | Just saying, there are differences between distributions |
| 18:00.43 | Akronym | and that "unstable" does not mean buggy and tends to break in a million pieces, it is just a moving target and not "stationary" as for example debian stable. |
| 18:01.09 | Akronym | Achillion, anyway, what did you mean with that package versions thing? |
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| 18:01.25 | Achillion | well, that |
| 18:01.32 | Akronym | well, what? |
| 18:01.40 | Achillion | each distro at any given time offers different versions of each package |
| 18:01.49 | Akronym | so? |
| 18:02.06 | Achillion | so you get different experiences (bugs, issues, features) on different distributions |
| 18:02.16 | Akronym | so? |
| 18:02.40 | Achillion | So that answers your original question which was "how does switching distro help" |
| 18:02.48 | Achillion | distros* |
| 18:03.00 | Achillion | or was at least one of the points |
| 18:03.02 | Akronym | Achillion, that implies switching issues too |
| 18:03.08 | Achillion | yes, it does |
| 18:03.17 | Akronym | so how does that help again? ;) |
| 18:03.44 | Achillion | Well |
| 18:04.14 | Achillion | We can safely assume that each distribution in the solution space has a unique issue list |
| 18:04.32 | Achillion | Which implies that there may be a distribution which for a given moment and for a given configuration has the least issues |
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| 18:04.35 | Akronym | solution space? |
| 18:04.58 | Achillion | Yes, we have a problem and a set of solutions. We call the set of solutions a solution space |
| 18:05.36 | Akronym | who is "we"? |
| 18:05.42 | Achillion | So switching distributions as long as the issue list shrinks is a rational strategy for optimising the solution |
| 18:06.08 | Achillion | We are the people trying to optimise our experience |
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| 18:06.43 | ccolorado | does anyone know what is the default location for logs for ktelepathy ? |
| 18:06.57 | Achillion | also, these guys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solution_space |
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| 18:08.04 | Achillion | (are another set of people that can qualify as "we", since they also call the set of solutions a solution space) |
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| 18:17.06 | Akronym | oops... and another wird KDE issue. I explicitly set the task-manager-thing on the panel to only show apps that are running on this screen, same as for the task-manager-applet on the panel on the other screen, but here it shows apps that run on different workspaces. |
| 18:17.17 | Akronym | s/wird/weird/ |
| 18:18.43 | Akronym | Achillion, anyway, I still have no clue how you think switching distro would make any sense |
| 18:18.57 | Achillion | Ok |
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| 18:20.43 | Akronym | If a distro as a whole goes in a weird direction (ubuntu) that may make sense. If you need some special packages that one special distro offers ootb and hassle-free, a distro switch would make sense too for some. But if you just want a general purpose distro wher next to *everything* works if you want to, distro hopping is almost always teh wrong approach. As you tend to hop again and again and again if you need something else. |
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| 18:21.02 | Achillion | I mean, I think some distros have issues with certain configurations. Debian is generally known to be good at everything. Generally though, there's distributions that aren't good at everything and if you want to do one of the things it's not good at, you might as well switch. I guess you disagree. I have no way of proving this, so let's just leave it there. |
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| 18:21.40 | Akronym | Achillion, oh hell no! I do not disagree there :) |
| 18:21.46 | Achillion | ok :) |
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| 18:22.23 | Achillion | I honestly can't say why KDE breaks for some people and not for others. I've speculated a lot today and there's a good chance I'm wrong on all accounts. |
| 18:22.41 | Akronym | I know for a fact that some distros tend to have more issues than others. Mostly because of the lack of manpaower and for the smaller ones, lack of userbase for finding and reporting the bugs before YOU notice them. |
| 18:22.54 | Achillion | I just recall that whenever I have serious issues, it's when there's a bunch of stuff going on I'm not aware of and that changed drastically when I started using arch |
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| 18:23.52 | Akronym | Achillion, no idea how arch works in that regard, so you basically install some app and it will never change? |
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| 18:24.36 | Achillion | never change? |
| 18:24.44 | Akronym | as, for example, the gnome2 -> gnome3 switch, that did cause *a* *lot* of trouble and headaches, regardless of the distro I guess. |
| 18:25.03 | Achillion | heh, yeah that's a point where arch may be a pain |
| 18:25.32 | Achillion | since rolling distro = you get the new version through normal update |
| 18:25.41 | Achillion | you just install and it keeps going forever |
| 18:26.53 | Akronym | Achillion, I try to understand why the average issue should be less likely to happen on Arch, that's all. |
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| 18:27.11 | Achillion | it wont be less likely |
| 18:27.16 | Achillion | well |
| 18:27.58 | Achillion | If the issue on one distro is due to default packages you dont need (see: ubuntu bloat), then distros like debian and arch are one way to solve it |
| 18:28.45 | Achillion | If the issue is with a particular version being buggy, then you're more likely to get that version on arch before it gets fixed. On the other hand, you'll get it fixed much sooner than if you got it on another distro that has slower update releases |
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| 18:28.55 | Achillion | So it's a bit of a tradeoff, really |
| 18:29.21 | Akronym | Achillion, debian has a load of default apps / libs / whatever installed too, if you go the "default way of doing things |
| 18:29.23 | Achillion | at least that's how I see it |
| 18:29.57 | Achillion | yeah |
| 18:30.13 | Achillion | damn, lots of chatting today, not enough work |
| 18:30.18 | Achillion | I need to be heading home. |
| 18:30.29 | Achillion | Goodnight, good sir! |
| 18:31.06 | Akronym | I guess the issue boils down to "lack of manpower", an issue that even debian has to suffer under, but in a somewhat different regard than others. |
| 18:31.32 | Akronym | Achillion, goodbye :) |
| 18:31.39 | sunnybg | hello. using a 2 separate screens (not xinerama), when i start konsole on one screen, every new instance on the second screen gets created on the first screen. looking at "ps" it appears that there is only one process for konsole. is there a way to force a new instance, so it gets created on the second screen? |
| 18:33.18 | Akronym | sunnybg, that is not the issue, KDEs window manager is just at fault there. Other window managers open new apps just on that screen where the mouse currently is. Maybe kwin can do that too, no idea though |
| 18:34.15 | sunnybg | @Akronym: other kde apps work ok, I see this problem only with konsole |
| 18:34.46 | Akronym | sunnybg, oh? |
| 18:35.40 | sunnybg | oh, I see there is --display option. I'll try to use that for a shortcut to see how it works |
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| 18:38.45 | crabman | Does anybody have an idea what dbg packages in debian do I need to make this crash report useful? http://imgur.com/VyX3NE4 |
| 18:40.27 | Akronym | oh hell... even clicking on a http-link in my IRC client takes tens of seconds to open in the already open browser... wtf!? |
| 18:40.34 | tosky | crabman: not the answer, but is it this bug? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726371 |
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| 18:41.45 | Akronym | crabman, how about python2.7-dbg? |
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| 18:42.57 | crabman | Akronym: I installed it but reloading still says the report is not useful |
| 18:43.33 | tosky | crabman: python-kde4-dbg maybe, but anyway, does it match that bug? |
| 18:43.35 | crabman | Maybe I need to experience this bug again with python2.7-dbg installed to have the debug info? |
| 18:44.35 | crabman | tosky: I am not sure if my bug is the same because my synaptiks starts ok and crashed when my laptop woke up from sleep. |
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| 18:46.38 | crabman | tosky: I installed that package but it's still not useful |
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| 18:47.21 | crabman | tosky: Actually, now it looks like exactly that bug. |
| 18:47.34 | crabman | Previously it used to work, bow I get segmentation fault when I try to run it. |
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| 18:58.38 | Akronym | I want to get rid of all KDE specific settings, what do I need to delete? |
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| 19:08.59 | Akronym | even a simple logout does not work / takes ages... |
| 19:10.24 | Akronym | ok, woeks but takes minutes |
| 19:10.29 | Akronym | works |
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| 19:33.11 | eagles0513875 | hey guys in kmail how do i prevent it when i hit reply to include all previous messages in the email as it is super slow and sluggish when it does especially if the email is very long |
| 19:33.18 | eagles0513875 | hey jalcine and littlegirl |
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| 19:37.34 | eagles0513875 | jalcine: any idea to my above question? |
| 19:37.45 | Akronym | how do I move the K-Menu on the panel from the left to the very right? I try to drag it while panel-settings are open, the arrows to move it are visible, but regardless where I drop it, it does not remain there. |
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| 19:41.37 | Akronym | I created an empty panel, and even there I can't drag the freshly added K-menu anywhere |
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| 19:43.48 | Moviuro | Akronym: is there a cashew on the panl, telling you the widgets are unlocked? |
| 19:43.56 | alexa | after installing marble all widgets from desktop got lost and desktop icons showed up. What is going on? How to reverse the change? |
| 19:44.04 | Akronym | Moviuro, yes they are unlocked |
| 19:44.21 | Moviuro | Akronym: try with any other widget...? |
| 19:44.58 | Akronym | Moviuro, adding a spacer to the panel seems and then I can drag the K-menu to the left of the panel, but using a spacer I guess wastes too much space... |
| 19:45.08 | Akronym | Moviuro, same with other widgets |
| 19:45.54 | Moviuro | Akronym: remove the spacer and only add it when finished with other widgets ;) |
| 19:46.27 | Akronym | Moviuro, as soon as I remove the spacer, all added widgets move to the right |
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| 19:47.06 | Moviuro | Akronym: try changing the width (not height) of the panel ?... |
| 19:47.51 | Akronym | Moviuro, how should that help? |
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| 19:49.27 | Moviuro | Akronym: it will perhaps change the spacer's settings, IDK |
| 19:49.52 | Moviuro | I've always known Plasma panels to be a bit of black magic ;) |
| 19:50.24 | Akronym | Moviuro, well... it does not help in any way. Other suggestions? ANd is this a bug or is it just not possible to handcraft a panel that way? |
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| 19:51.05 | Akronym | Moviuro, black magic!? Nope, it is a bug then. |
| 19:51.21 | Moviuro | Akronym: You want something like: icon Icon [...] Icon <-Space-> End ? |
| 19:51.36 | Akronym | Moviuro, more or less, yes |
| 19:51.47 | Moviuro | what happens if you put the spacer back after you put the kmenu in it? |
| 19:52.39 | Akronym | but <-Space-> should be filled with the task-manager as more tasks get started, more icons will fill that space. |
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| 19:53.12 | Moviuro | well, just putting the task manager will suffice since it will expand as a spacer would |
| 19:53.12 | Achillion | Set flexible size on spacer? |
| 19:53.21 | Achillion | ah yes, that too |
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| 19:53.29 | Moviuro | Achillion: isn't it a default setting? |
| 19:53.36 | Achillion | not sure |
| 19:53.38 | Achillion | I use both |
| 19:53.47 | Akronym | ah wait... there is an option to align the panel... wait a moment, let me see if I can work with that one... |
| 19:53.53 | Achillion | I have a flexible and a nonflexible spacer for keeping time/date in the middle |
| 19:54.09 | Moviuro | Achillion: impressive :) |
| 19:54.22 | Achillion | heh |
| 19:54.34 | Moviuro | would use a dedicated panel to that end ^_^ |
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| 19:54.42 | Akronym | I really wonder how the default panel is crafted there, as it has some widgets on the left and some on the right |
| 19:54.56 | Moviuro | Akronym: TASK MANAGER IN THE MIDDLE |
| 19:55.03 | Moviuro | oups, sorry for caps lock |
| 19:55.05 | Achillion | lol, angry Moviuro |
| 19:55.08 | Moviuro | hides |
| 19:55.21 | Achillion | eagles0513875: there's an option for that in the compose settings |
| 19:55.26 | Moviuro | really sorry, mistyped :-[ |
| 19:55.32 | Achillion | hehehe it's alright |
| 19:55.33 | Akronym | but using that one does not work either, I can't drag the K-menu somehwere in the right corner or anywhere in between the widgest on the right side... |
| 19:55.37 | Achillion | I was joking, obviously |
| 19:56.20 | eagles0513875 | Achillion: in composer settings right |
| 19:56.21 | Moviuro | wonders who got this stupid idea of putting "tab" just above "caps lock" |
| 19:56.57 | eagles0513875 | haha google it mobileblue |
| 19:56.59 | eagles0513875 | mean Moviuro |
| 19:57.04 | Achillion | eagles0513875: you have to edit the templates |
| 19:57.14 | Achillion | remove "%QUOTE" |
| 19:57.19 | Achillion | and other stuff |
| 19:57.34 | Achillion | set CAPS to CTRL <3 |
| 19:57.43 | Achillion | Caps is stupid, anyway |
| 19:57.47 | Akronym | nope, does not help either |
| 19:58.03 | Moviuro | Akronym: not when typing some constants in some code ;) |
| 19:58.23 | Akronym | Moviuro, I was talking about MY issue :-p |
| 19:58.41 | eagles0513875 | Achillion: i changed a setting somewhere and it was not there |
| 19:58.52 | Moviuro | actually wanted to highlight Achillion |
| 19:59.09 | Achillion | Moviuro: Eh, I hold shift :P |
| 19:59.37 | Achillion | But I rarely use caps |
| 19:59.44 | Achillion | even when coding |
| 20:00.04 | Achillion | eagles0513875: not sure what you mean. What was not there? |
| 20:00.56 | Akronym | Achillion, flexible sized spacer *somewhat* helps |
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| 20:01.19 | Moviuro | Akronym: how wide is your screen ? |
| 20:01.55 | Moviuro | mine is 1920 and get the task manaager to fill everything but the menu button on the right |
| 20:02.13 | Achillion | I use: | Menu - fixed spacer - time/date - flexible spacer - systray | That way, systray resizes dont mess with the placement of the time/date |
| 20:02.50 | eagles0513875 | actually nm i think i got it solved |
| 20:02.53 | Moviuro | uses Menu - Menubar - systray - KWin buttons |
| 20:03.21 | Moviuro | no need for spacers :) |
| 20:03.23 | Akronym | Moviuro, 22 + 24", why? |
| 20:04.07 | Moviuro | Akronym: IDK, perhaps your screen was too narrow for everything to fit in properly... |
| 20:04.13 | Achillion | I did it this way cause I migrated from gnome3 and copied the layout, in case you havent noticed :D |
| 20:04.22 | Akronym | Moviuro, the panel was *empty :) |
| 20:04.43 | Akronym | But I guess adding spacers is the way to go |
| 20:04.47 | Moviuro | Akronym: but do you have enough space for... the void?... |
| 20:04.55 | Achillion | NOT |
| 20:04.58 | Achillion | NOT THE VOID |
| 20:05.01 | Akronym | Moviuro, what void? |
| 20:05.38 | Moviuro | Try adding in the following order: KMenu, all icons you want, task manager and only afterwards drag and drop them into their correct place |
| 20:05.52 | Moviuro | Akronym: the emptiness... of your panel ;) |
| 20:06.41 | shevy | and pants |
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| 20:07.52 | Akronym | Moviuro, as said already, without spacers you simple cannot drag a widget to the other side of the panel |
| 20:08.50 | Achillion | I'm in sapce! |
| 20:08.53 | Achillion | SPACE* |
| 20:09.20 | Moviuro | Achillion: we don't care about position yet, just put the icons into the panel ;) (all of them at once) |
| 20:09.25 | Moviuro | Akronym: ^ |
| 20:09.30 | Achillion | :) |
| 20:09.34 | Akronym | *note to self* #kde seems to be a playground of drug addicted folks :-P |
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| 20:09.58 | Moviuro | Damn, I A<Tab> and always get the wrong one ;) |
| 20:10.46 | Achillion | l2useatleast3chars |
| 20:11.15 | Akronym | yeah well, another example of not polishing a feature, just adding new ones... seriously, KDE 4.11 and the panel is there from day one. |
| 20:11.27 | Moviuro | is lazy, Achillion |
| 20:11.35 | Achillion | orly |
| 20:11.41 | Akronym | Moviuro, use a sane IRC client then |
| 20:12.13 | Akronym | mine is happy with only one character, it defaults to the person with that chacarter in the front which spoke last |
| 20:12.16 | Moviuro | AFAIK, sane is a scanner utility... |
| 20:12.27 | Moviuro | hides |
| 20:12.43 | Akronym | sane is also an english word with an utterly different use-scope as SANE |
| 20:12.49 | alexa | My desktop used to look normally (I added some widgets on desktop). After installing app called marble, it changed. I don't know if it has anything to do with it. Anyway, it looks like this now: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/40/4q/lihFl22/screenshot-10252013-0953.png |
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| 20:14.05 | Moviuro | Akronym: did adding the widgets and then putting them in order work? |
| 20:14.40 | Akronym | lol? clicking that http-picture-link opend the pciture-viewer and downloaded the image to display it... what a weird default! |
| 20:15.03 | alexa | I can't add any widget on desktop, only on panel |
| 20:15.09 | Akronym | Moviuro, again and again and again, no, no, no, not without a SPACER! |
| 20:15.14 | Moviuro | Akronym: how about you use a sane IRC client...? |
| 20:15.36 | Moviuro | alexa: right click on it, settings, choose layout: defauld desktop |
| 20:15.54 | Moviuro | Akronym: screenshots please |
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| 20:16.15 | Akronym | Moviuro, that is not the fault of the IRC client, I even got a kde-notification informing me that it will open it with... err... whatever the name of that kde-pic-vier is |
| 20:16.32 | alexa | right click on desktop shows no settings |
| 20:16.34 | Akronym | Moviuro, screenshot of what? |
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| 20:17.05 | Moviuro | alexa: not even a "desktop settings" entry...? |
| 20:17.12 | alexa | no |
| 20:17.19 | alexa | it reminds me on unity |
| 20:17.26 | alexa | 1. create new folder |
| 20:17.34 | alexa | 2. create new document |
| 20:17.47 | alexa | 3. organize desktop by name |
| 20:17.55 | alexa | 4. keep aligned |
| 20:18.01 | alexa | 5. paste |
| 20:18.18 | alexa | 6. change desktop background |
| 20:18.21 | alexa | that's it |
| 20:18.34 | Moviuro | Akronym: of the panel as you added all of the wanted icons |
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| 20:19.35 | Moviuro | alexa: weird... goto systemsettings -> workspace behavior -> Workspace and chose "Desktop" in the list |
| 20:19.44 | Moviuro | nvm |
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| 20:20.25 | Moviuro | alexa: fill a bug about not being able to turn back from folder view to desktop |
| 20:20.47 | Moviuro | alexa: create a new activity and delete the old (broken in your opinion) one |
| 20:20.54 | alexa | I see only Workspace activities |
| 20:21.05 | alexa | *Appereance |
| 20:21.16 | alexa | *Appearance |
| 20:21.26 | Moviuro | Well, you should be able to create an activity from the destop |
| 20:21.40 | Moviuro | Or better: |
| 20:21.45 | Moviuro | focus on the desktop |
| 20:21.47 | Akronym | http://ananke.no-ip.biz:8080/screenshot.png <- Moviuro, not finished yet, but there you go |
| 20:21.57 | Moviuro | Alt+D, Alt+S alexa |
| 20:22.20 | Akronym | no idea what happend there in the middle of the left display... I guess some compositing glitch |
| 20:22.33 | alexa | it does nothing |
| 20:23.03 | alexa | i remember. Could changing to LightDM make this change? |
| 20:23.14 | alexa | *switching to |
| 20:23.27 | Moviuro | I don't think so |
| 20:23.43 | Moviuro | Akronym: your right panel looks broken |
| 20:24.12 | Akronym | Moviuro, broken? In what way? |
| 20:24.30 | Moviuro | Akronym: the cashew is not at its right place |
| 20:24.43 | Moviuro | (full right) |
| 20:24.53 | Achillion | cashew is movable |
| 20:25.11 | Moviuro | didn't know |
| 20:25.44 | Akronym | Achillion, how? :) |
| 20:25.57 | Achillion | unlock widgets, drag |
| 20:26.02 | alexa | I found Workspace behaviour |
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| 20:26.19 | Akronym | and I'd prefer it to be on the full left on the left panel and full right on the right panel |
| 20:26.31 | alexa | workspace type: Desktop |
| 20:26.36 | Moviuro | alexa: well, actually, it only lets you chose from desktop or notebook.... |
| 20:26.52 | Akronym | Achillion, they are already unlocked, doesnt even offer the option to drag like other widgets |
| 20:27.16 | Moviuro | alexa: do you have a cashew on your desktop? |
| 20:27.22 | Achillion | Akronym: I mean the free cashew |
| 20:27.32 | alexa | what's cashew? |
| 20:27.37 | Akronym | Achillion, free cashew? |
| 20:27.39 | Achillion | the one that;s on the side of the screen and says "Desktop" |
| 20:28.00 | Moviuro | or the plasma logo if you prefer, alexa ;) |
| 20:28.03 | Akronym | alexa, a small widet / icon that looks like a cashew and clickig it should open a settings-menu |
| 20:28.08 | alexa | upper right corner logo icon |
| 20:28.11 | alexa | no |
| 20:28.15 | alexa | it used to be there |
| 20:28.22 | alexa | but it dissappeared |
| 20:28.26 | alexa | when all this happend |
| 20:28.34 | Moviuro | are you sure it is plasma running?... |
| 20:28.49 | alexa | yes |
| 20:28.54 | Moviuro | like $killall plasma-desktop |
| 20:28.59 | alexa | nope |
| 20:29.00 | Moviuro | $plasma-desktop |
| 20:29.03 | alexa | didn't do it |
| 20:29.10 | Achillion | I think "kquit" is preferred? |
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| 20:29.30 | Moviuro | Achillion: i don't know this utility ;) |
| 20:29.34 | alexa | plasma is active |
| 20:29.36 | Achillion | sorry "kquitapp" |
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| 20:29.59 | Moviuro | alexa: perhaps unity is running? (somehow) |
| 20:30.14 | Achillion | Moviuro: supposedly takes care of some dbus stuff as well, not entirely sure |
| 20:30.27 | Moviuro | Achillion: most certainly |
| 20:31.28 | alexa | nikola@bbox:~$ ps aux | grep unity |
| 20:31.28 | alexa | nikola 4410 0.0 0.1 34688 2628 ? Sl 21:11 0:00 /usr/lib/libunity-webapps/unity-webapps-service |
| 20:31.46 | alexa | is this what's killing plasma? |
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| 20:32.10 | Moviuro | I don't think so |
| 20:34.05 | alexa | hey |
| 20:34.29 | alexa | i went into workspace behavior |
| 20:34.47 | alexa | checked "Different widgets for different workspaces" |
| 20:34.54 | alexa | and applied |
| 20:35.03 | alexa | all went back to normal |
| 20:35.22 | alexa | except that there are no widgets on desktop I created :( |
| 20:35.27 | Moviuro | alexa: beware, it might get heavier on RAM |
| 20:35.36 | Akronym | Achillion, ahh... the cashew is actually moveable, at least to some rather basic degree as it seems |
| 20:35.50 | Moviuro | but was that really KDE/plasma running?... were the orange icons your KDE theme ? |
| 20:36.03 | alexa | I unchecked it, and all previous created widgets are back :D |
| 20:36.22 | alexa | Moviuro, I assure you, plasma is running |
| 20:37.08 | Moviuro | alexa: it really doesn't look like mine (archlinux KDE 4.11.2) |
| 20:37.21 | alexa | I'm using Ubuntu |
| 20:37.30 | alexa | installed KDE few hours ago |
| 20:37.37 | Moviuro | I have the cashew and far more options with right click even in the "Show folder" view... |
| 20:37.48 | Achillion | Akronym: yeah |
| 20:37.55 | Achillion | "around the side" |
| 20:38.02 | Achillion | I like keeping it in a corner :) |
| 20:38.05 | Moviuro | hides the cashew from panels |
| 20:38.18 | Moviuro | (lock widgets) |
| 20:38.19 | alexa | so, the word "cashew" is right upper corner icon with "Desktop" |
| 20:38.35 | Moviuro | well, you can move this one too, alexa |
| 20:38.46 | Akronym | Achillion, apparentyl one can drag it either to the left, right or the middle of a panel as it seems |
| 20:39.12 | alexa | Moviuro, I learnt this cashew is important |
| 20:39.27 | Moviuro | It seems I can fix it on either side or at any latitude on top or bottom of the panel |
| 20:39.30 | Achillion | I like proper cashews |
| 20:39.38 | Achillion | Oily, salty, cashews |
| 20:39.47 | alexa | what about keyboard layout? |
| 20:40.10 | Moviuro | alexa: depends if you tell it to show up in the systray |
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| 20:40.27 | alexa | new widget to install? |
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| 20:40.46 | Moviuro | alexa: no, right click the systray's arrow, configure it |
| 20:41.16 | alexa | Moviuro, sorry, right click where? |
| 20:41.30 | alexa | what's systrays arrow? |
| 20:41.41 | Moviuro | on the arrow the systray has got on its right side and if you click on it, you get some more icons |
| 20:42.03 | alexa | between the scissors and clock? |
| 20:42.10 | Moviuro | alexa: the tiny triangle |
| 20:42.14 | Moviuro | yes |
| 20:42.21 | Moviuro | right click it |
| 20:42.34 | alexa | done |
| 20:42.39 | alexa | added layout |
| 20:42.43 | alexa | thanks |
| 20:42.47 | Moviuro | yw |
| 20:43.21 | Moviuro | Akronym: well, i'm sorry but I can't think of some way to get to what you want... :-/ |
| 20:43.52 | Moviuro | but it could also be an opportunity to rethink your current plasma layout ;) |
| 20:45.52 | Akronym | Moviuro, huh? I am happy enough with how to do what I want. For my taste the configuration and need for the spacers is cumbersome and annoying, but it is possible to do *exactly* what I want, so, I am fine. |
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| 20:49.10 | Moviuro | I entirely rethought my layout many times to get the best from gestures, hot corners and widgets ;) but if you're fine this way, it's alright! I'm just sorry i can't help :( |
| 20:49.39 | alexa | thanks |
| 20:49.43 | alexa | I'm leaving |
| 20:49.45 | alexa | bze |
| 20:49.46 | alexa | bye |
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| 20:49.51 | Moviuro | bye alexa |
| 20:49.57 | Moviuro | and enjoy your KDE ;) |
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| 20:52.54 | Achillion | Why is everyone here talking about KDE? |
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| 20:52.56 | Achillion | ... |
| 20:52.58 | Achillion | oh, right |
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| 20:54.27 | Moviuro | that's it, Achillion's crazy |
| 20:54.38 | Akronym | Achillion, did you think you were on a different channel or was that an attempt to be funny? :-p |
| 20:55.17 | Achillion | Actually got mixed up for a minute |
| 20:56.39 | Achillion | Didn't pay attention to nicks, just saw a bunch KDE-related terms |
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| 20:58.52 | Akronym | oops? It is not possible to add shortcuts that use the mouse-buttons? |
| 20:59.18 | Akronym | I want to zoom in and out using the mouse-wheel + super-key |
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