| 00:03.28 | unicodesnowman | wonders who is doing GCI for KDE |
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| 00:12.39 | cordell | what port does kde connect use? |
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| 00:49.59 | J1r0 | I have a noob question... how do I remove default apps (like IceWeasel) from being installed when I install KDE? |
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| 00:52.47 | cordell | J1r0: iceweasel shouldnt be installed by default by KDE |
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| 00:53.03 | cordell | however it is pre-installed on debian though |
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| 00:53.39 | J1r0 | cordell: thanks, was jsut playing around with Arch Linux and when I installed KDE I saw a bunch of apps (iceweasel being one) that was installed |
| 00:54.20 | J1r0 | I am just looking for a barebones type environment, dont want the default music apps on there, dont want default office apps on there, etc |
| 00:54.51 | J1r0 | would rather install everything one by one :O |
| 00:54.51 | cordell | hmm interesting. i would check what you installed to make sure iceweasel didnt somehow pulled in as a dependency |
| 00:54.59 | J1r0 | ok |
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| 00:55.34 | J1r0 | thanks ill go back and check |
| 00:55.42 | cordell | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kde#Minimal_install |
| 00:55.46 | cordell | that is what you want |
| 00:56.06 | J1r0 | oooo |
| 00:56.09 | J1r0 | thanks |
| 00:56.10 | J1r0 | hahahaha |
| 00:56.13 | J1r0 | thats probably it |
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| 07:06.00 | DoubleLee | in desktop effects I have compositing type OpenGL 2.0, for Qt graphics system which is better to use my fast video card Native or Raster? |
| 07:06.08 | DoubleLee | the documentation doesn't cover this setting |
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| 07:11.59 | brli | DoubleLee: use Raster if your system can stay with it |
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| 07:13.34 | DoubleLee | it works with raster if thats what you mean? |
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| 07:16.40 | ak5 | hey guys, when I add a second screen, my windows when maximized, go below the panel I have on the left of the primary screen |
| 07:17.13 | ak5 | with a single monitor, maximized windows go up against the panel but never have parts below the it |
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| 07:26.34 | rethus | how can i made my own light DM login-screen? Where are the files placed in KDE 4.11 |
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| 08:00.44 | rethus | where are all the kde-greeter devs gone ? :) |
| 08:00.52 | rethus | how can i made my own light DM login-screen? Where are the files placed in KDE 4.11 |
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| 08:03.04 | electron__ | anybody having problems rinngin kde on arch |
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| 10:16.07 | Taduro_ | Somebody knows about KDialog? |
| 10:18.17 | Sho_ | Taduro_: yeah? |
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| 10:20.53 | Taduro_ | Sho_: Hello:) |
| 10:20.54 | Taduro_ | I'm trying KDialog for fun and I want to do something that I don't know if it's possible. I want to show up to a user a --msgbox through ssh. I connect to that computer with ssh -x user@server but when I do KDialog --msgbox "something" it appears on my screen instead of appearing in the user's desktop. Do you know if there is a way to say "hey KDialog, send X message to Y user" |
| 10:21.49 | Sho_ | Taduro_: -x enables X forwarding to your system, i.e. not what you want |
| 10:22.17 | Taduro_ | If I do it without -x it says KDialog can't connect to the x server or something like that |
| 10:22.22 | Sho_ | Taduro_: instead you would have to log in without -x, and then export DISPLAY correctly in the environment and then run kdialog in it |
| 10:22.49 | Sho_ | Taduro_: However, modern distros probably won't allow this for security reasons without additional configuration |
| 10:22.50 | Kelsar | Taduro_: ... and allow access to the running X server for the ssh user |
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| 10:23.08 | Taduro_ | No problem, the computer is mine. |
| 10:23.10 | svuorela | messagekit :P |
| 10:23.59 | Taduro_ | Do you guys have a guide to do that or... Well, where I have to search? I tried in the net but I don't use the correct words I think. |
| 10:25.09 | Kelsar | Taduro_: i think you are trying the wrong solution for another problem, tell us this problem |
| 10:25.18 | Taduro_ | Ok |
| 10:25.33 | Sho_ | Taduro_: try "DISPLAY=:0.0 kdialog" |
| 10:26.18 | Taduro_ | Kelsar: The problem is: I don't know how to show up a KDialog messages from my computer to another computer using ssh. |
| 10:26.29 | Taduro_ | Sho_: I'll try it at home, thank you. |
| 10:26.31 | Kelsar | Taduro_: no, why do you want this |
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| 10:27.24 | Taduro_ | Kelsar: For learning? I'm starting to learn programming with C and I think KDialog is awesome for doing scripts, I would like to learn to use this. |
| 10:27.47 | Kelsar | ??? what does kdialog have todo with C? |
| 10:28.00 | Taduro_ | nothing |
| 10:28.21 | Taduro_ | It's an example to say that I'm starting |
| 10:28.36 | Taduro_ | Why is bad to learn? |
| 10:28.40 | Kelsar | to archive this, you need xauth too |
| 10:29.13 | Kelsar | Taduro_: because you try to archive a rather complex and almost never needed thing to do as starter. nothing bad in learning |
| 10:29.14 | Taduro_ | xauth.. |
| 10:29.51 | Kelsar | depending on distribuiton you could have to mess with selinux too |
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| 10:55.44 | Hammit | trying to create a protocol file to handle a ssh url double click in keepass |
| 10:55.44 | Hammit | http://pastebin.com/pNQcnfwN |
| 10:55.53 | Hammit | this is what i have so far |
| 10:56.03 | Hammit | do i need to runa ny commands like `kbuildsycoca4`? I still can't double click the url and have konsole execute ssh |
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| 10:59.44 | Hammit | if i create a test html file with the ssh link, i get a question dialog to open xdg-open and upon confirmation, konsole opens and executes ssh |
| 10:59.44 | Hammit | http://pastebin.kde.org/plvjin5ux |
| 11:00.23 | Hammit | just not working in keepass it seems :S |
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| 11:03.18 | smokex | yeah its a Dialog |
| 11:03.20 | Hammit | it's ok. figured it out. thanks |
| 11:03.29 | smokex | used in KDE software |
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| 11:03.55 | smokex | probably a loose wrapper around QDialog |
| 11:04.23 | smokex | with a few overloads and small changes |
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| 11:13.50 | derRichard | hi |
| 11:14.15 | derRichard | kmail 4.11.2 claims to have imap-push support. where can i enable it? |
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| 11:21.08 | smokex | Taduro_: do you have any experience in programming? |
| 11:22.21 | smokex | no its not bad to learn but it looks more like you're trying to learn how to break through security |
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| 11:26.09 | Taduro_ | smokex: What security? My own computer? |
| 11:26.10 | Taduro_ | lol |
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| 11:26.41 | Taduro_ | You can create local game with KDialog |
| 11:27.04 | Taduro_ | I'm leaving, see you later. |
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| 12:04.17 | ak5 | hey guys, when I add a second screen, my windows when maximized, go below the panel I have on the left of the primary screen |
| 12:04.20 | ak5 | with a single monitor, maximized windows go up against the panel but never have parts below the it |
| 12:04.33 | ak5 | I like the single screen behavior - any fix? |
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| 12:17.31 | rethus | kde 4.11 - how can i disalble that the info-kicker got focus, if a message popup ? |
| 12:17.40 | rethus | that really sucks |
| 12:18.04 | Sho_ | what's the info-kicker? |
| 12:18.42 | rethus | if i got a new mail, or someone chat with me in telephaty, it popup on the lower right |
| 12:18.53 | rethus | and steal the focus |
| 12:18.55 | Sho_ | i.e. the notifications widget |
| 12:19.00 | Sho_ | i've never seen it steal focus, weird |
| 12:19.04 | rethus | yes |
| 12:19.15 | Sho_ | did you disable focus stealing prevention in kwin? that's the only thing that comes to mind |
| 12:19.23 | rethus | no |
| 12:19.35 | Sho_ | dunno then, sorry |
| 12:20.29 | rethus | http://storage5.static.itmages.com/i/13/1120/h_1384950039_7708694_84bc156736.jpeg |
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| 12:24.30 | BluesKaj | Hi all |
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| 12:46.48 | Unbeerable | Hi. I just noticed my ktorrent is eating 4.5 gigabytes of RES memory in the top |
| 12:47.06 | Achillion | mmmm sweet sweet memory leaks |
| 12:47.25 | Unbeerable | I don't even ask if it is normal, but how can I reduce the memory consumption? |
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| 12:49.07 | Unbeerable | I have 8G of memory and I thought it's quite enough for the desktop system |
| 12:49.35 | Unbeerable | Fedora 19/KDE 4.11.2/KTorrent 4.3.1 |
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| 12:51.40 | Achillion | I'm running a windows 7 VM right now and it's using 1G res :D |
| 12:52.29 | Achillion | I don't know what causes huge memory use in ktorrent, but I guess things like number of connections per torrent and total active torrents might contribute |
| 12:52.40 | Achillion | Or it coule be a bug. How long has it been running? |
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| 12:53.19 | Unbeerable | system uptime is 21 days and ktorrent was started at boot |
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| 12:53.39 | Unbeerable | 117 torrents |
| 12:54.50 | Achillion | any reported issues on the bugtracker about memory consumption? |
| 12:55.16 | Unbeerable | a lot of them since 2007 year |
| 12:55.39 | Unbeerable | it's very hard to find any relevant issues |
| 12:56.41 | Unbeerable | I just thought maybe someone here knows the magic button "Do not eat all the memory" in ktorrent settings |
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| 13:43.22 | Achillion | heh |
| 13:43.27 | Achillion | no, sorry, I use deluge, myself |
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| 13:47.51 | Roberth1990 | Unbeerable: try qbittorrent instead |
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| 16:56.12 | brli | [00:51] <brli> need help :( |
| 16:56.14 | brli | [00:52] <brli> I'm trying to run this https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/jnc64/ |
| 16:56.15 | brli | [00:52] <AIDE> Title: AUR (en) - jnc64 (at aur.archlinux.org) |
| 16:56.17 | brli | [00:52] <brli> but in vain |
| 16:56.18 | brli | [00:52] <brli> and that's not the problem |
| 16:56.20 | brli | [00:53] <brli> but, after I reboot, Networkmanagement plasmoid won't respond |
| 16:56.21 | brli | [00:53] <brli> it says me NM doesn't start yet |
| 16:56.23 | brli | [00:54] <brli> but actually I'm now on irc, and the network monitor is showing traffic |
| 16:56.24 | brli | [00:54] <brli> any idea? |
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| 16:57.17 | thiago | try asking in #archlinux |
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| 17:03.43 | psycho_oreos | thiago, hi, would you happen to know how to troubleshoot key binds under KDE? I'm running KDE 4.11.3-1 and even though some of the programs KDE shortcuts can clearly see the key codes are correct, it would not run as mentioned by shortcuts. |
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| 17:05.32 | psycho_oreos | e.g. Tried Alt+F2 to show the krunner but it doesn't work. Alt*Tab does not switch active windows, F12 (yakuake specific) does not open up yakuake. The key codes appear to be correct from xev and xmodmap. Also certain programs work fine such as fcitx but I guess the core KDE programs does not work properly. |
| 17:06.44 | thiago | psycho_oreos: no idea |
| 17:07.01 | psycho_oreos | Hmm, thanks anyway. |
| 17:07.03 | Achillion | psycho_oreos: do *any* global key combos work? |
| 17:07.29 | psycho_oreos | Achillion, not sure what other global keys, Ctrl+C,V, etc works fine as far as I know. |
| 17:08.12 | psycho_oreos | If presuming that is the case, what could have caused that? I have ran xmodmap before a few times, trying to make things work but it just seems to not work well with KDE. |
| 17:08.35 | Achillion | well, go to the global keyboard shortcut list, set an arbitrary combo that's definitely not reserved, like winkey+shift+home to something like "show desktop" in kwin and see if that works |
| 17:09.01 | Achillion | try a few, if none work, there's something wrong with the underlying global shortcut system |
| 17:10.30 | psycho_oreos | Thanks for the input, I'll try to see if I can narrow down the issue. Also could it also be because of me using a different keyboard than defined? There's no HHKB JP only HHKB. |
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| 17:11.59 | Achillion | I'm not sure. My KBs have always been set as "generic N-key keyboard" |
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| 17:21.49 | psycho_oreos | Hmm I cannot bind Super_L+Shift+Home. Whenever I touch Super_L it shows up some garbled character in global shortcut config. Though I have tried to bind Shift_L+Home (on my keyboard I have to actually press Shift_L+Fn+K but it shows up as Shift_L+Home). I hit Apply and tried pressing Shift+Home but it does not work. |
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| 17:23.03 | Achillion | hm |
| 17:23.48 | Achillion | Maybe someone who knows the inner workings of the global shortcut system can help. |
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| 17:25.06 | psycho_oreos | Thanks, I was told mgraesslin might know, but to get a hold of mgraesslin has been a bit hard for me. |
| 17:26.00 | psycho_oreos | Also I checked the key code for the win key. On xev it shows up as Super_L which I presume is definitely Win_L key. |
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| 17:28.26 | Achillion | yes, super=win for me too |
| 17:29.58 | psycho_oreos | Ahh *nod* thanks for that, I was hoping that I did not mistakenly bind the wrong keys to the wrong commands. On my HHKB JP (the same goes with HHKB as well) there is no windows symbol, it just appears as a diamond logo. |
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| 17:35.57 | psycho_oreos | After a bit of searching I have found this: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=101231 Though one person suggested the need to restart KDE. Is there a way to restart it via restarting plasma-desktop instead or no? |
| 17:40.09 | psycho_oreos | kglobalaccel (not kglobalacceld) is actually running on my machine with a fairly low PID. Hmm, I wonder if after I reinstalled those two packages (kdebase-{runtime,workspace}) can I simply restart kgloabalaccel instead of restarting KDE entirely. |
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| 17:42.50 | psycho_oreos | Well I guess one way to find out is to try it out which is what I will do later on. Thanks again Achillion for pointers! at least I am now one step closer to figuring out where the underlying problem is. |
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| 17:50.58 | brli | I see it as an sddm.service problem, changing back to kdm, and things resolved Orz |
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| 17:57.07 | Achillion | psycho_oreos: no worries :) hope you get it fixed |
| 17:57.31 | Achillion | psycho_oreos: as for restarting kde without logging out, you can "kquitapp plasma-desktop" then "kstart plasma-desktop" |
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| 17:58.39 | Achillion | Anyone here use wayland in a daily environment? |
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| 17:59.19 | psycho_oreos | Achillion, cheers, definitely am looking forward to getting it fixed for sure. I kept thinking there was no dramas with KDE, it was all to do with my xmodmap config, until I was pointed out that it could be a DE specific issue (as others didn't seem to suffer the same issue). |
| 17:59.49 | Achillion | I guess anything can break :) |
| 18:00.13 | psycho_oreos | Achillion, thanks for that tip as well, now it makes the entire process more tempting for me now. I have also found some clues that one may need to rename/remove files (specifically KDE related configs). |
| 18:00.43 | Sho_ | Achillion: I'd say Wayland isn't really ready for that yet |
| 18:00.48 | psycho_oreos | Yeah I was hoping there would be some sort of a nice solution but it seems like I will need to get my hands grubby either way. |
| 18:00.57 | Achillion | psycho_oreos: good luck :D |
| 18:01.17 | psycho_oreos | Achillion, hahaa thanks will need it :D |
| 18:01.24 | Achillion | Sho_: yeah, so I've heard. I guess I'm a bit too hasty with wanting to try the new toys |
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| 18:01.47 | Sho_ | Achillion: playing around with weston doesn't hurt i guess |
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| 18:03.22 | Achillion | Oh? You sure I wont break all the things? |
| 18:04.35 | Sho_ | Achillion: shouldn't really impact things, no ... it's something you'd do alternative to using X+KDE |
| 18:04.44 | Achillion | Actually, I did play around with weston on my desktop a bit |
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| 18:05.28 | Achillion | I'm just a bit like a child who gets bored when everything is stable and working properly and keeps looking for error-prone experimental stuff to try out ... and pull his hair off over |
| 18:05.42 | Achillion | I should maybe just get back to work |
| 18:07.28 | Sho_ | Achillion: or learn (if you still need to, that is) programming and turn playing with new toys into something productive ;) |
| 18:07.37 | BluesKaj | Achillion. try running a devel OS , if you're bored , jusat make sure you have a stable one as backup |
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| 18:09.17 | Achillion | well I'm running arch on everything - wouldn't call it a devel OS but it's close. as for programming, I play as much as I can afford, time-wise :) |
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| 18:12.04 | BluesKaj | arch is a rolling distro , so not much in the way of bleeding edge there , Achillion |
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| 18:13.28 | psycho_oreos | There is a testing repo which one can enable to get a bit closer to bleeding edge stuff. Though the more closer to bleeding edge stuff under arch one wants to get the more the needs one needs to virtually compile everything which may seem a bit like gentoo-ish. |
| 18:13.32 | Achillion | BluesKaj: I don't understand. I would think a rolling distro would be closer to bleeding edge than a versioned one |
| 18:14.05 | Sho_ | Not necessarily, because a rolling distro by necessity can only integrate things that have low risk of breaking anything |
| 18:14.14 | Sho_ | The dev branches of non-rolling distros are usually more broken |
| 18:14.19 | Sho_ | So if you want broken .. |
| 18:14.59 | Achillion | Fair enough, but there's also the fact that arch rarely modifies upstream |
| 18:15.01 | psycho_oreos | Also, no dice with restarting kglobalaccel, I've reinstalled two respective packages and restarted plasma-desktop. It only killed plasma-desktop but not restart so I had to start it through xchat (!). |
| 18:15.08 | Achillion | so things get pushed quite fast |
| 18:15.10 | BluesKaj | rolling distros are more stable than edgy , due to the packages being well tested before uploaded to the repos , Achillion |
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| 18:16.22 | Achillion | BluesKaj: But I'm sure the testing repo is the counterpart to edgy, though I'm not sure how they compare in terms of stableness |
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| 18:18.11 | psycho_oreos | Heh people often dub archlinux as some sort of uncaring distro. More stuff supposedly gets broken on arch than on gentoo for instance. |
| 18:18.55 | BluesKaj | Achillion. running devel OS is fun in the the sense that we're testing newly upgraded packages before the OS is officially released , that's my take on it |
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| 18:21.50 | Achillion | I've used unstable versions of software, but I dunno if I would go as far as to run the whole OS on it. |
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| 18:23.49 | psycho_oreos | You'll probably end up with more broken stuff to fix imo, running an OS with lot of unstable versions. They'll probably not work in various ways and may clash with each other. |
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| 18:24.44 | Achillion | Anyway. I think I've decided not to experiment with anything before I finish grading these programming assignments :| |
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| 19:05.56 | Taduro | Sho_: Are you there? |
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| 19:07.08 | Papierkorb | Hello, is there some kind of plugin which would let me save and restore a application session on demand? So, for example, i have some KDE application open whose session is (re-)stored on start/logout. Now I'd like to close the application itself while saving the session. |
| 19:07.24 | Papierkorb | Would be awesome as option under 'pin to taskbar' |
| 19:07.31 | Sho_ | Taduro: sort of |
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| 19:08.03 | Sho_ | Papierkorb: you can save the current state of the desktop manually, but not per-app |
| 19:08.22 | Papierkorb | okay, but technically it should be possible, right? |
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| 19:08.55 | Sho_ | Papierkorb: I'm not sure, I'm not an expert in the X11 session saving mechanism -- also, the vast majority of applications doesn't implement session restore particularly well |
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| 19:10.09 | Papierkorb | True, but many KDE applications do which would already be enough for me. i mean the issue is the same for login/logout, but that didn't stop someone from implementing it :) |
| 19:10.22 | Sho_ | True enough |
| 19:10.47 | Sho_ | You most likely want to talk to either Teo Mrnjavac or Chani Armitage |
| 19:11.06 | Papierkorb | k, thanks |
| 19:11.09 | Sho_ | I do maintain the Task Manager so the pinning part is probably my bit, in theory |
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| 19:34.43 | Taduro_ | Sho_: Sorry, my connection. |
| 19:34.57 | Taduro_ | Sho_: I get -bash: DISPLAY=:0.0 kdialog: no s'ha trobat l'ordre |
| 19:35.03 | Taduro_ | Sho_: Translated means "command not found" |
| 19:35.15 | Taduro_ | Sho_: How I have to use it? |
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| 19:35.52 | Sho_ | Taduro_: That actually should work, but you can also try "export DISPLAY=:0.0; kdialog" |
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| 19:36.38 | Papierkorb | Some distros don't ship kdialog as default, what's your distro? |
| 19:36.54 | phunyguy | hello, just a quick question. I am looking to create a very simple bash script, that would be KDE specific, to check if an instance of an application is running, and if so, display a system tray icon. Any ideas? |
| 19:37.00 | Taduro_ | Sho_: export DISPLAY=:0.0; kdialog |
| 19:37.00 | Taduro_ | Ús: kdialog [Qt-opcions] [KDE-opcions] [opcions] [arg] |
| 19:37.12 | Taduro_ | Sho_: Ús: means Use |
| 19:37.33 | Taduro_ | Papierkorb: Debian, it works |
| 19:37.52 | Papierkorb | well then |
| 19:37.59 | Sho_ | Taduro_: well ... it tells you what to do :) |
| 19:38.06 | Sho_ | you need to set some options and an argument |
| 19:38.35 | Sho_ | like kdialog --msgbox "foo" |
| 19:38.42 | Taduro_ | Sho_: There is no "Do this for showing the message in the desktop where you are connected through ssh" |
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| 19:39.03 | Taduro_ | lol |
| 19:39.04 | Sho_ | Taduro_: that's what exporting DISPLAY accomplished |
| 19:39.07 | Taduro_ | Sho_: It workeeeeeed |
| 19:39.29 | Taduro_ | Let's dance |
| 19:39.31 | Taduro_ | tutururutru |
| 19:40.11 | Sho_ | Taduro_: X is a network-transparent windowing system, meaning X clients (programs that ask and X server to show windows) can contact an X server both on a local system and over the network |
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| 19:40.45 | Sho_ | Taduro_: And by convention they read the DISPLAY environment variable to know where (= which X server and display) they should connect to |
| 19:41.00 | Sho_ | Taduro_: ":0.0" means "display 0.0 on localhost" |
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| 19:41.33 | Sho_ | Taduro_: so e.g. what ssh -x does is actually set DISPLAY to a SSH tunnel to the X display on the *connecting* (via SSH) computer |
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| 19:47.51 | Taduro_ | Awesome Sho_, really :D |
| 19:47.59 | pablerkas | hey guys, what is the filter bar for in the dialog to select a file? Because it looks to me that it should only show the results that matches what i write there but... it is not happening |
| 19:48.04 | Taduro_ | Sho_: My sister and I are playing with kdialog, thank you really :D |
| 19:48.14 | Sho_ | Taduro_: Have fun ;) |
| 19:48.47 | Sho_ | pablerkas: Works for me ... |
| 19:49.01 | Sho_ | pablerkas: only filters files though, not folders |
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| 19:57.24 | pablerkas | oh, i see |
| 19:57.48 | pablerkas | could that be a bug, Sho_? |
| 19:57.58 | Sho_ | pablerkas: No, that's intentional |
| 19:58.37 | Sho_ | pablerkas: It's meant to restrict the types of files shown, and if you hide folders, you can't browse them easily |
| 19:59.09 | pablerkas | hmm... i see |
| 19:59.46 | pablerkas | would be nice to have another one that just filters everything, that was triggered by ctrl+i like dolphin |
| 19:59.55 | Sho_ | pablerkas: Applications often pre-seed the filter with types they explicitly support |
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| 20:01.12 | Sho_ | pablerkas: And unintrusive (but also hard to discover) way would be to add a "Filter Folders" checkbox item to the context menu .. |
| 20:02.29 | pablerkas | ok to that, but also the keyboard trigger |
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| 20:05.13 | pablerkas | i'm thinking that it would reaaally be nice if every list in every application had that filter box that could be trigger with ctrl+i o_O |
| 20:05.28 | pablerkas | triggered |
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| 20:19.02 | derdon | WTF! Seriously. Dolphin has a very modern feature called "undo" but no "redo". WHY! |
| 20:19.07 | derdon | this makes no sense at all |
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| 20:21.16 | Sho_ | is willing to bet there are good reasons for it |
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| 20:21.53 | derdon | to make me rage? |
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| 20:22.23 | smokex | do you know of any file explorers that have redo? |
| 20:22.46 | smokex | if yes then maybe nobody has taken the time to write code for it in to dolphin |
| 20:23.43 | Sho_ | It's probably non-trivial or even impossible to support consistently |
| 20:23.53 | derdon | I can't imagine that it should be hard to implement. it's easy to find the opposite task of an operation except for the "total remove" (i.e. not moving to trash, but really removing) |
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| 20:25.21 | derdon | Sho_: where is the non-trivial part exactly? |
| 20:27.01 | Sho_ | derdon: I honestly don't know. But the relevant developers are some of the smartest people I personally know, and have been working consistently to improve and maintain that codebase for 15 years now, and I do know that file management isn't a trivial matter, so I simply assume that if it was reasonably easy to accomplish, it'd have been done. |
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| 20:27.54 | derdon | I didn't want to insult the developers. Sorry if it sounded like that. |
| 20:28.06 | derdon | I just wanted to insult their product. |
| 20:28.13 | Sho_ | I'm also dimly aware that even the Undo support is actually relatively unique to file management implementations in its scope, from being a bystander to development discussions dedicated to it |
| 20:28.28 | Sho_ | A lot of effort went into undo, so I assume there's no reason they wouldn't also be ambitious enough to tackle Redo |
| 20:28.43 | derdon | aha, good to know |
| 20:30.20 | Sho_ | I think the undo stuff actually goes as far as being protocol-specific, i.e. IIRC there's protocol-specific code to make it work efficiently with some of the network protocols that KDE's virtualized I/O layer supports and stuff like that |
| 20:30.40 | derdon | because of my GSOC project from this year where I added a database package with extensive undo/redo support, I want every software to support undo/redo as well |
| 20:30.58 | derdon | I'm too much of an perfectionist I guess |
| 20:31.02 | derdon | *a |
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| 20:31.51 | Sho_ | Dolphin probably inherits Undo mostly from Konqueror, which can do a *lot* of Undo like undoing the closing of entire windows and the state within them and stuff |
| 20:32.13 | Sho_ | Dolphin doesn't go quite as far sadly |
| 20:32.22 | derdon | Sho_: does konqueror still exist and is maintained btw? |
| 20:32.42 | Sho_ | (the folks who wrote the lower layers Dolphin builds on originally also wrote and still maintain Konqueror) |
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| 20:35.13 | Sho_ | derdon: yep it's still there |
| 20:35.32 | Sho_ | derdon: I don't think it's seeing much in the way of active new development, though, more a maintenance mode kind of thing |
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| 20:36.12 | Sho_ | derdon: Its maintainers mostly work on the library level since they're our most experienced people and simply needed there, and I guess there's not been much interest in Konq from new-blood devs |
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| 20:37.05 | derdon | Sho_: at least it sounds like there's hope they'll add redo functionality to Dolphin later |
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| 20:37.24 | Sho_ | derdon: If you're curious just try to catch dfaure on IRC during the European daytime hours and ask him (non-accusingly ;) why there's no Redo |
| 20:37.53 | Sho_ | I'm willing to bet there's an interesting tale behind that |
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| 20:38.03 | derdon | Sho_: maybe I'll contribute to some KDE software once if I know C++ (no knowledge at all currently) |
| 20:38.12 | derdon | Sho_: thanks |
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| 20:41.09 | Frank_Eliott | I would like to know about the hardware requirements for kde. will it work on a netbook with atomprocessor and 512 mb ram? |
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| 20:41.49 | crowell | Frank_Eliott: define "work" |
| 20:41.57 | derdon | I doubt it will run smoothly |
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| 20:42.15 | derdon | but that's more a wild guess |
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| 20:42.29 | Frank_Eliott | crowell: webbrowsing, email, office |
| 20:43.00 | crowell | Frank_Eliott: kde is probably too heavy for that, I'd personally recommend something like xfce |
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| 20:43.30 | derdon | xfce? too heavy! take a tiling wm ;) |
| 20:43.55 | derdon | (half-serious / half-joking) |
| 20:43.57 | crowell | xfce is mostly usable on a 128mb install of debian |
| 20:44.02 | crowell | tiling doesn't make it any lighter |
| 20:44.14 | derdon | indeed |
| 20:44.20 | crowell | if xfce is still too heavy, maybe something like openbox? |
| 20:44.29 | crowell | I think that lxde comes with a decent set of tools |
| 20:44.34 | crowell | and uses openbox as the wm |
| 20:44.56 | Sho_ | Frank_Eliott: I've run it on G4 800 iBook with 640 MB RAM, and while it was usable for basic text processing and light web browsing, it's not a system I'd like to do serious work on |
| 20:45.04 | derdon | oh, is LXDE bashing not common anymore? |
| 20:45.11 | derdon | knows a lot of LXDE haters |
| 20:45.43 | Frank_Eliott | My problem is webdav: I currently work with fluxbox and if i click on a picture to work with it using gimp, gimp cannot open that. An errormessage with "cannot open vfs:// bla bla". I tested debian with kde 4.8 and dolphin works with my WebDAV-Server |
| 20:45.45 | derdon | they mostly blame the implementation behind it though, not the interface of the applications |
| 20:46.00 | crowell | derdon: I think lxde is fine. its not exactly as well put together as something like kde or xfce, but considering how lightweight it is and gives you a pretty good set of tools, I'm a fan |
| 20:46.14 | Frank_Eliott | so i think about switching to kde |
| 20:47.36 | ozzzy | I switched to kde years ago |
| 20:48.02 | Sho_ | Frank_Eliott: If you do try, I'd recommend doing a few things like (a) switching off Desktop Search, (b) setting Low CPU in Style -> Advanced and (c) switching off animations in Style -> Configure |
| 20:49.04 | derdon | I don't know if this is the right channel for quassel questions. but does anyone know if it's possible to add "friends" so that once gets notified if a certain nick is online? |
| 20:49.48 | Sho_ | No idea, but I can tell you that KDE's IRC client Konversation supports that quite nicely |
| 20:50.00 | Frank_Eliott | Is it possible to install dolphin alone? Ok this install may pull many other packages. Any hints which packages I can install to get Dolphin? |
| 20:50.09 | Frank_Eliott | Fedora or Debian? |
| 20:50.28 | Sho_ | Frank_Eliott: It's part of the kde-baseapps package in Fedora |
| 20:50.31 | derdon | Sho_: hmm, but I like Quassel so much more... |
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| 20:50.40 | Sho_ | derdon: Out of curiosity, why? |
| 20:50.55 | Frank_Eliott | ok, i give it a try. Thanks for now |
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| 20:51.34 | smokex | konversation is a bit old |
| 20:51.46 | Sho_ | How so? |
| 20:51.56 | ozzzy | konversation works fine |
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| 20:52.02 | derdon | simply because of the interface and the look and feel. I like how simple it is to select only parts of the "columns" (timestamp, nick, text) for copying. and the Qt4 usage makes a modern impression in general |
| 20:52.04 | smokex | some things like the color code parser are messed up |
| 20:52.22 | ozzzy | it's an IRC client... there are windows/tabs... you chat in them |
| 20:52.24 | Sho_ | derdon: Konversation is a Qt 4 application as well (and soon a Qt 5 one, for that matter) |
| 20:52.28 | ozzzy | what's not to like |
| 20:52.34 | derdon | hm |
| 20:52.54 | Sho_ | smokex: I'm not aware of problems with the color code parser myself ... |
| 20:53.04 | ozzzy | turns off colours |
| 20:53.04 | smokex | I dunno maybe its because I wrote my own client and like mine better? |
| 20:53.06 | derdon | ozzzy: I don't dislike Konversation. It's just that I like Quassel and am already used to it. I honestly never give Konversation a real try |
| 20:53.28 | Sho_ | smokex: Seems like a fair reason |
| 20:53.29 | ozzzy | I find they're all pretty much the same |
| 20:53.39 | smokex | last time I checked many bots send a double color code background,foreground |
| 20:53.44 | derdon | smokex: I'm curious. is there a homepage to your client? |
| 20:53.58 | smokex | and konversation didn't parse them correctly |
| 20:54.22 | Sho_ | Quassel isn't bad, it has some nice abilities. It's also inferior to Konversation in some basic aspects though (e.g. even things as simple like clickable URLs) and lacks numerous features Konversation has. So I guess it depends on personal preference and need of those features. |
| 20:54.27 | smokex | my client comes wrapped in a p2p client ;D |
| 20:54.48 | smokex | http://quazaa.net |
| 20:55.08 | derdon | wat |
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| 20:56.05 | Sho_ | smokex: Dunno, in my experience the color support in Konvi is pretty strong, e.g. I remember it to handle some of the thornier edge cases of the reverse color code better than other clients I've tried it with, and so on |
| 20:56.09 | BluesKaj | I'm not particularly visually oriented ,but quassel is rough around the edges and side panels squeeze the chat text area too much |
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| 20:56.26 | Sho_ | But to be honest I'm not an extensive user of color |
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| 20:58.29 | derdon | How come lunaryorn is not here? Doesn't he usually frequent this channel? |
| 20:58.42 | Sho_ | I've never noticed that nick before |
| 20:58.49 | Sho_ | Who is he? |
| 20:59.29 | Sho_ | no hits in the log |
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| 21:02.12 | derdon | A KDE user who's written a touchpad GUI for KDE. hmm, I can't find it because he seemes to have polished his homepage |
| 21:03.08 | Sho_ | I just googled and he seems to be involved with Synaptiks somehow, yeah |
| 21:03.17 | Sho_ | I'm familiar with it, but I don't think I've noticed him on IRC |
| 21:03.43 | derdon | Sho_: yes, Synaptiks, that's what I meant |
| 21:04.03 | derdon | ok, I know him from the German Python community |
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| 21:26.10 | Guest51134 | I'm having problems with OpenSuse 12.3 and my wifi connection... |
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