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| 02:03.28 | crimsonmane | Greetings. I just wanted to draw some attention to something I'm trying to accomplish. I've posted it here, which you should find at the bottom: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=224&t=10667&p=300071#p300071 |
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| 02:06.12 | valorie | crimsonmane: are you thinking of packaging this as a plugin or so? |
| 02:06.55 | crimsonmane | valorie: I at least would like it on my system(s) and available to all users. I would also post it on my github |
| 02:08.03 | valorie | perhaps write it up for KDE-Apps? |
| 02:08.24 | valorie | that isn't an official kde site, but many folks use it |
| 02:08.27 | crimsonmane | you lost me at "write it up" |
| 02:08.44 | valorie | post a description, a link for downloading, etc. |
| 02:09.04 | valorie | not many people are likely to find it on the forum |
| 02:09.12 | crimsonmane | Oh. I don't know how to package it in such a way as to auto install, and it has to be converted to miso.desktop first anyway. |
| 02:09.21 | crimsonmane | that's why i'm here |
| 02:09.43 | valorie | if you look at kde-apps, there are quite a few scripts and such |
| 02:09.48 | crimsonmane | right now i use it via CLI but that gets annoying with long filenames |
| 02:10.19 | valorie | maybe look at how some of the popular ones do their writeup, and 'packaging' |
| 02:11.08 | crimsonmane | well it needs to be a .desktop file first... which is why i'm here, to integrate it into my right-click menu |
| 02:11.14 | crimsonmane | per the notes in my post |
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| 02:13.21 | valorie | I think you would find more help in #kde-devel to be honest |
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| 02:13.26 | crimsonmane | thank you ! |
| 02:13.31 | valorie | this is a help chan for KDE users |
| 02:13.38 | crimsonmane | you have been helpful |
| 02:13.38 | valorie | you are most welcome |
| 02:13.55 | valorie | excellent! |
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| 04:15.11 | crimsonmane | Can multiple commands be run with a single issuance of kdesudo? |
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| 04:39.32 | AlonzoTG | om |
| 04:40.02 | AlonzoTG | Cmake has nice syntax but isn't really an improvment over previous systems... |
| 04:40.28 | AlonzoTG | I was trying to import a 11 year old project using the kde4 porting instructions but when I try to do an experimental build, it doesn't do anything. =\ |
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| 04:52.12 | smj | Can I set the picture of the day widget to crop to fill the screen? |
| 04:52.39 | smj | is there a configuration file or a script I can edit? |
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| 05:03.03 | smj | phew, looks like I don't need to recompile KDE |
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| 05:04.07 | smj | only a 1,7MB source package |
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| 05:59.53 | fire | i am using laptop, and using konsole as terminal emulator, is it possible that when i am typting the scrollpad get's disabled ? |
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| 06:05.32 | fire | i am using laptop, and using konsole as terminal emulator, is it possible that when i am typting the scrollpad get's disabled ? |
| 06:05.41 | fire | i have disabled scrolling |
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| 06:14.46 | valorie | fire: do you have synaptiks installed? |
| 06:16.14 | fire | valorie: YEAH |
| 06:16.53 | fire | no i just found out it was not installed, installing it |
| 06:17.11 | valorie | I think you'll find that helps in control |
| 06:18.52 | fire | valorie: is it possible that i can only install the core of kde and not other applications that come along with it ? |
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| 06:22.59 | valorie | what distro are you using, fire? |
| 06:23.28 | valorie | generally once you have the core, the applications are a snap to install |
| 06:23.50 | valorie | however, depending on the distro, some applications might not be packaged |
| 06:24.22 | valorie | for instance, synaptiks used to not be available on kubuntu |
| 06:24.40 | valorie | until I begged (and I'm sure others requested it too) |
| 06:26.34 | fire | valorie: gentoo |
| 06:27.54 | valorie | hmmm |
| 06:28.05 | valorie | it's been a long time since i ran gentoo |
| 06:28.38 | valorie | http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Synaptics |
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| 06:28.54 | valorie | perhaps you lack some dependencies? |
| 06:30.42 | fire | valorie: just now installed synaptics |
| 06:30.58 | fire | valorie: which distro r u using ? |
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| 06:32.36 | valorie | kubuntu |
| 06:33.02 | valorie | it was quite fun to watch everything be compiled |
| 06:33.06 | valorie | all the time |
| 06:33.34 | fire | valorie: yeah really it is, i some times keep starring it :D it feels like a geek or a hacker hacking something :P |
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| 06:34.22 | fire | valorie: from where i can configure snaptiks ? |
| 06:34.35 | valorie | you'll find it in systemsettings |
| 06:34.39 | fire | did in system settings but no change |
| 06:34.44 | valorie | hmmm |
| 06:34.54 | valorie | that's a bit odd |
| 06:35.42 | fire | may be need to restart |
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| 06:38.22 | valorie | fire, also see: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Man_page |
| 06:40.12 | fire | valorie: works :D |
| 06:40.18 | valorie | great! |
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| 06:49.10 | fire | valorie: i want to start development stuff in kde, from where should i start ? |
| 06:49.27 | fire | i want to do how to do patching, fixing bugs etc |
| 06:50.37 | valorie | that's very cool |
| 06:50.54 | valorie | we have a guide: http://flossmanuals.net/kde-guide/ |
| 06:51.01 | fire | i want to learn those stuff but don't know where to start |
| 06:51.03 | fire | :) |
| 06:51.08 | valorie | you can download as epub or pdf |
| 06:51.24 | valorie | this channel or #kde-soc are great places to ask |
| 06:51.45 | valorie | basically, you find a bug you want to fix, and ask the team responsible how best to do that |
| 06:51.58 | valorie | we'll help you find the right place to ask |
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| 06:52.36 | fire | thats great :) |
| 06:54.28 | fire | valorie: this seems to be wonderful book :D |
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| 07:04.10 | valorie | \o/ |
| 07:04.25 | valorie | sorry for the delay, small household emergency |
| 07:06.00 | fire | valorie: np at all :) |
| 07:07.05 | valorie | I was one of the authors, and the rest of them actually knew what they were talking about |
| 07:07.08 | valorie | :-) |
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| 07:08.25 | fire | so i am lucky to meet a developer :D |
| 07:08.59 | valorie | is the non-devel of the group |
| 07:09.13 | valorie | except in the broadest sense of developing |
| 07:09.18 | fire | valorie: so i was just curious, in kde if suppose i want to run some gtk+ application in kde, is that possible to run it with gtk look and feel ? |
| 07:09.27 | valorie | sure |
| 07:09.53 | valorie | lots of people run non-kde apps in KDE, and KDE apps in other desktops |
| 07:10.04 | fire | it would be exactly same how it looks and feels in gnome ? |
| 07:10.11 | fire | this is really great. |
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| 07:10.22 | valorie | as for that, I can't entirely be sure |
| 07:10.31 | valorie | but you can certainly test that out |
| 07:10.45 | fire | are you there in the images in that book ? |
| 07:10.54 | valorie | somewhere I think |
| 07:11.00 | valorie | either the front or back |
| 07:11.21 | fire | how can i recognize you :P |
| 07:11.28 | valorie | I'm the woman |
| 07:11.32 | valorie | lol |
| 07:12.24 | fire | that's cool :) |
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| 07:12.51 | valorie | it was very cool indeed |
| 07:13.42 | fire | there are very few woman developers as far as i know. |
| 07:13.47 | Ard0nik | fire: In my distro, there's a package called gtk-qt-engine that synchronizes QT (and therefore KDE) with the current GTK theme, whatever it is. |
| 07:14.08 | Ard0nik | If you want applications to look the same across the board, I would start there. |
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| 07:14.41 | fire | Ard0nik: what if i want QT look in GTK theme |
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| 07:15.27 | fire | valorie: respect +1 |
| 07:15.28 | Ard0nik | fire: Same thing? I don't know. |
| 07:15.44 | fire | Ard0nik: let me try what you mentioned |
| 07:15.52 | Ard0nik | Let us know if it works for you. |
| 07:16.03 | valorie | there are women coders, yes |
| 07:16.16 | valorie | including in the kernel |
| 07:16.17 | fire | Ard0nik: yeah sure :) |
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| 07:16.31 | fire | that's great :D |
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| 07:50.44 | fire | valorie: any reason you left gentoo for kubuntu ? |
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| 08:15.43 | Axtroz | fire, if you want Qt apps to look/feel like GTK apps fire up KDE system settings, go to Application Appearance -> Style and select GTK+ as a Widget style from the dropdown menu. If you don't have KDE, you can launch qtconfig and select GTK+ from "Select GUI style" dropdown menu, then go to File->Save to apply. gtk-qt-engine is making GTK apps look/feel like Qt apps and not the other way around. |
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| 08:25.15 | valorie | fire: I was much too much of a newbie to successfully run gentoo |
| 08:25.27 | valorie | screwed up my computer too many times |
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| 08:26.29 | valorie | my history in linux is too long to tell here |
| 08:26.38 | valorie | but I've always loved and run KDE |
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| 08:44.09 | jennifer | Hi how do I delete the "akonotes"? |
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| 08:45.56 | fire | Axtroz: right |
| 08:46.05 | fire | valorie: from how long you are into linux ? |
| 08:46.22 | jennifer | Found it. |
| 08:47.05 | valorie | 12 or 13 years I think |
| 08:47.25 | fire | more than a decade..!! :D great |
| 08:47.41 | valorie | Mandrake first, then gentoo, finally kubuntu where I've stayed |
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| 08:50.12 | fire | i was hoping various distro's ubuntu->mint->arch->gentoo ( gentoo ) now finally where i am stable :D |
| 08:50.28 | fire | i am using dwm+kde |
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| 08:55.30 | James0r | valorie: i'm pretty new to linux, always been on ubuntu based distros and gonna stay for a while probably. I normally hear about evolutions of users away from ubuntu distros. |
| 08:55.42 | valorie | fire: it's all about what you like, and find useful |
| 08:56.24 | valorie | the community is great, and that's what keeps me |
| 08:56.40 | valorie | and where I've been able to make myself of use |
| 08:56.57 | James0r | yeah i have to agree about the community |
| 08:58.01 | valorie | women aren't welcome in lots of foss places |
| 08:58.01 | fire | rightly said |
| 08:58.08 | James0r | I have a question too...is there a desktop widget for transmission? it'd be nice to see the progress of my downloads on the desktop |
| 08:58.10 | valorie | but KDE and Kubuntu have both welcomed me |
| 08:59.28 | valorie | James0r: that one is hard to google for! |
| 08:59.35 | James0r | that's cool. |
| 08:59.42 | James0r | valorie: yeah i'm coming up with nothing on google |
| 09:00.06 | James0r | got excited about one i found on devianart then realized it was for MACOSX :/ |
| 09:00.37 | James0r | i'm a little surprised. it's a pretty popular torrent client among linux users right? |
| 09:00.52 | James0r | deluge is stock on kubuntu though isn't it? |
| 09:01.07 | valorie | I wonder if kget would do for you? |
| 09:01.34 | valorie | I use ktorrent |
| 09:01.55 | valorie | deluge? I've not heard of that one |
| 09:02.48 | James0r | valorie: never tried kget. willing to give it a shot. i really didn't like ktorrent. seemed to force me to use a horizontal layout for the download stats and couldn't customize it to be just short a simple like transmission |
| 09:03.25 | valorie | well, I seed all the *buntu ISOs |
| 09:03.33 | valorie | so I don't look at it often |
| 09:03.50 | James0r | ahh i see. |
| 09:04.15 | valorie | anyway, search for what you like |
| 09:04.18 | James0r | i torrent them often because of my unreliable connection here in Vietnam, so thank you for seeding :) |
| 09:04.30 | fire | valorie: kde feels a nice place to be in :) |
| 09:04.41 | valorie | it very much is |
| 09:05.11 | fire | that's why i want to start contribute to kde |
| 09:05.15 | valorie | yw, James0r -- I have a nice fat cable modem pipe, so why not make it of use? |
| 09:05.43 | James0r | valorie: oh boy, so jealous. |
| 09:06.16 | valorie | I realize how lucky I am in that |
| 09:06.22 | valorie | privileged |
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| 09:07.59 | James0r | valorie: heh. yeah you should. i'm pulling in a quality 200kbps right now maxing out my connection |
| 09:08.22 | James0r | it even hurts to apt-get update sometimes |
| 09:08.34 | valorie | that sucks |
| 09:08.49 | James0r | but with torrents it aint so bad. |
| 09:09.13 | James0r | "set it and forget it" like the ronco food dehydrator |
| 09:09.31 | valorie | I love torrents because they spread the load around; people helping people |
| 09:10.13 | James0r | valorie: yeah i feel guilty so i seed 5k max of my total 20 - 25k |
| 09:10.32 | James0r | if i max that out things kinda bog down over here. |
| 09:11.12 | valorie | yeah, I just kept bumping it up, and no problems, so all |
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| 10:01.41 | cortez | what's the technical reason why i can't just assign meta to kicker? |
| 10:01.45 | cortez | as a keyboard shortcut |
| 10:01.53 | cortez | seems strange that other systems are capable of this but kde isn't |
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| 10:16.31 | Axtroz | cortez, because Qt sees the Meta key as a modifier. It needs to be patched in order to use the meta key as a standalone key by itself or you can use something like Xbindkeys to map Winkey to a nonexisting key, like F13 for instance and use that in the shortcut |
| 10:17.24 | cortez | Axtroz: so why wouldn't the patch be applied by default? |
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| 10:19.28 | Axtroz | Not sure, but I think if you use it as a standalone key it can't be used as a modifier, so actions like Meta+D or the likes wouldn't be able to be mapped. |
| 10:20.39 | cortez | i don't think it's a hardware limitation... maybe it's an xorg one |
| 10:20.49 | cortez | eg. in windows you can do winkey or you can do winkey+r, both work |
| 10:20.57 | Axtroz | It's a Qt limitation. |
| 10:21.03 | cortez | hmm |
| 10:22.03 | Axtroz | There's a workaround, check this out: http://blog.hanschen.org/2012/10/17/open-application-launcher-with-super-key/ |
| 10:24.46 | cortez | hmm, somethign to practice my packaging on |
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| 12:28.45 | hauke_ | Hi! My Akonadi doesnt start anymore. The error I get is: Akonadi control process not registered at D-Bus. Details: The Akonadi control process is not registered at D-Bus which typically means it was not started or encountered a fatal error during startup. This is the complete log: http://pastebin.com/ThRwuwz6 I use Linux Mint 16 KDE. |
| 12:29.03 | hauke_ | Does anybody have an idea what this means? |
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| 12:44.18 | StFS | Hi guys. I'm running kubuntu 13.10 (KDE 4.11.3) and I'm seeing that when I switch virtual desktops my windows get ungrouped in the taskbar. Closing one of the windows that should be grouped brings back the grouping but then switching from and back to the desktop ungroups everything again. Is there something I can do to fix this? I can't find a bug on this in |
| 12:44.19 | StFS | the bug tracker which I find weird since this is really annoying. |
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| 13:07.12 | ffaauusstt | Hi all |
| 13:07.12 | gcibot | ffaauusstt, hey! |
| 13:08.13 | ffaauusstt | Upgraded yesterday to kde 4.11.3 on debian and kmail told me that I had to migrate to kmail2 |
| 13:08.14 | ffaauusstt | Now akonadiserver is indexing my emails (I suppose) since 6 hours taking up two cores at 99% constantly |
| 13:08.16 | ffaauusstt | I am sure I started using kmail2 as soon as kde 4.6 (if I recall well) |
| 13:08.17 | ffaauusstt | I don't know why it is doing it all over again |
| 13:08.34 | ffaauusstt | any idea if that is expected behaviour? |
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| 13:24.38 | rdieter | ffaauusstt: yes it is expected |
| 13:25.38 | rdieter | well, not unexpected at least. there were enough significant changes between 4.6 and 4.11.x that re-indexing may be required |
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| 13:26.16 | rdieter | though I guess you didn't mention what version of kde you upgraded from |
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| 13:27.58 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
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| 14:49.25 | yalex | Hello, where does kde store display settings? |
| 14:49.31 | yalex | I need to delete the relevant config file |
| 14:49.33 | yalex | using kscreen |
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| 14:59.00 | osa1 | is there a way to assign shortcut to moving between splits in konsole/yakuake? |
| 14:59.21 | Sho_ | Yakuake has shortcuts for that (which can be changed), dunno about Konsole |
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| 15:01.50 | Axtroz | osa1, Shift+tab works for me in Konsole. |
| 15:05.07 | Kitzu_ | Sho_, yakuake is konsole. just a variant. |
| 15:05.52 | Axtroz | Is the kdev-python plugin for kdevelop stable ? I need to start a new python project and Ninja-ide is behaving weird. |
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| 15:06.43 | yalex | Hello, which i use a dual screen setup KDE cuts off part of the screen , screen and kwin does not show in the section |
| 15:06.53 | yalex | seems to occur with resolutions abot 1024x768 |
| 15:09.21 | rdieter | yalex: kscreen stores stuff in ~/.kde/share/apps/kscreen/ by default, fyi |
| 15:09.34 | Sho_ | Kitzu_: No, not in this case |
| 15:09.42 | yalex | thanks I removed the edid info and cleared plasma and kwin and its still occuring |
| 15:09.44 | Sho_ | Kitzu_: Yakuake has its own split view implementation (I wrote Yakuake) |
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| 15:10.03 | rdieter | yalex: sounds like its more an X/xrandr issue |
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| 15:10.36 | rdieter | (or monitor, clipping part of what should be displayed) |
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| 15:11.25 | yalex | yes the monitor is clipping it rdieter, kwin and plasma know the resolutino is larger but its underneath black and nothing shows above it |
| 15:11.33 | yalex | sorry need to restart X again |
| 15:13.51 | Kitzu_ | Sho_, okay |
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| 15:18.56 | osa1 | Axtroz: thanks |
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| 15:28.02 | yalex | okay turns out it was the catalyst display settings |
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| 15:30.02 | yalex | not sure if you guys need feedback., but well done with KDE, just come back to it after a year or so with Ubuntu |
| 15:30.33 | mamarley | KDE is awesome :) |
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| 15:34.30 | yalex | yes it is mamarley |
| 15:34.54 | yalex | I think openSUSE 13.1 really makes it shine |
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| 15:39.18 | yalex | I was finding Unity and gtk apps so constricting |
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| 15:43.22 | amrfrsh | I don't know why gnome & gtk apps keep losing configurations |
| 15:44.25 | yalex | I fail to see how people can say KDE is confusing, if you don't understand a setting don't touch it |
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| 15:45.14 | amrfrsh | I hate when firefox developers started to following this too |
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| 15:45.54 | amrfrsh | removing javascript configs and so on becouse someone maybe change them mistakenly |
| 15:46.48 | yalex | yes put it under advanced and have a warning |
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| 15:49.04 | amrfrsh | exactly |
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| 15:50.54 | yalex | so congrats with KDE didn't realise how much I missed it |
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| 15:53.38 | amrfrsh | some of gnome apps won't follow xdg-open like uget, is there a way to force them to? |
| 15:54.04 | yalex | replace it with kget? |
| 15:54.31 | amrfrsh | I tried Kget, but it's too simple |
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| 15:54.59 | amrfrsh | uget is not so rich too |
| 15:55.19 | amrfrsh | but uget can use aria2 |
| 15:55.54 | amrfrsh | I don't know if kget can use aria2 as a backend |
| 15:56.11 | amrfrsh | can it? |
| 15:56.28 | yalex | not sure amrfrsh been a while since I used kget |
| 15:57.22 | amrfrsh | so what do you use for downloading mostly? |
| 15:58.14 | yalex | chrome or ktorrent |
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| 16:01.04 | amrfrsh | but firefox and chrome built-in downloaders work very slow for me, they miss some functions like dynamic threading |
| 16:02.03 | amrfrsh | for torrent I use qbittorrent, but for normal downloads I use uget which is better but its painfull too |
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| 18:26.40 | jim_chat | Anyone know what's up with kde-look.org? I haven't been able to connect to the site for days. Is anyone else having similar issues? |
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| 18:30.11 | tsimpson | kde-look.org works here |
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| 18:35.31 | DarkEra | jim_chat, works for me too but it takes a bit longer to load then usual |
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| 18:37.30 | MountainX | Hi. In Kate, is there a way (maybe modelines?) to turn off dynamic word wrap just for one document? |
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| 18:38.48 | scaniatrucker | jim_chat: kde-look.org works for me as usual |
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| 18:53.18 | jim_chat | :( seems that kde-look.org hates me. I'll have to use an uglier tool instead of the widget. |
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| 19:06.12 | shevy | hi. when I open a hyperlink in a .pdf document viewed in okular, konqueror is used. is there a way to set another browser there? |
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| 19:14.55 | BluesKaj | shevy, system settings> default apps >web browser |
| 19:15.20 | shevy | oh |
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| 19:18.37 | shevy | BluesKaj it works fine, thanks |
| 19:19.19 | BluesKaj | shevy, good :) |
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| 20:29.28 | f0 | hi |
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| 20:30.54 | f0 | i running opensuse 13.1 with kde 4.11.3, and i use docker.io (container engine) with the devmapper backend |
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| 20:31.28 | f0 | all diffs generated for the containers got mounted and displayed in dolphin as device |
| 20:32.00 | f0 | is there a way to filter these devices? i get 20 devices and only have 2 container running |
| 20:32.42 | f0 | if i run gnome3 natilus, i only see 2 devices, one for each container |
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| 20:35.13 | f0 | and the startuptime for dolphin increases a lot |
| 20:35.19 | f0 | (for all file dialogs) |
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| 20:40.05 | glenrock | i'm trying to become a KDE user. my biggest issue is finding a theme where i can easily see the blinking of windows when there is activity, and also where i can easily tell that an application is open when using IconTasks. what are some ways i can modify existing themes to change colors, etc? |
| 20:41.08 | glenrock | clarification: when using icontasks an i pin an icon, i can't tell that it's still running when i minimize it (with most themes) |
| 20:41.17 | glenrock | argh, can't type correctly today :) |
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| 20:45.41 | glenrock | testing |
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| 21:09.08 | flounders_ | Is there a better way of dealing with hidden SSIDs now than iwlist scanning for it? |
| 21:09.27 | AndrzejL | sure |
| 21:09.39 | AndrzejL | airodump it or kismet it ;) |
| 21:10.13 | flounders_ | Those are better scanners, but not better solutions. |
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| 21:10.45 | flounders_ | I love KDE, but the Gnome network manager deals with this kind of thing properly. |
| 21:11.35 | AndrzejL | :) |
| 21:12.13 | flounders_ | Maybe KDE 5 will get it right. |
| 21:12.52 | AndrzejL | or not ;) |
| 21:13.21 | flounders_ | I should probably bug the devs about it. |
| 21:14.37 | flounders_ | Seriously though I love KDE. It allows you to customize to your hearts content unlike another unamed DE. |
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| 22:00.31 | rtur | Hi guys, is there a way to determine if a user logged in through KDE ? Besides checking the process list. |
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| 22:01.04 | Sho_ | rtur: on a modern distro, loginctl |
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| 22:03.20 | zoldyck | some distros are modern but hate systemd :) |
| 22:03.23 | rtur | Sho_: looks like it is not part of Ubuntu 13.04. |
| 22:03.43 | flounders | One of the distros that hates systemd. |
| 22:04.40 | rtur | Is there maybe some event triggered (from linux itself) ? |
| 22:05.15 | rtur | When KDE authentificates the user |
| 22:06.10 | Sho_ | zoldyck: true, but there are distros which aren't using systemd but are nonetheless adopting loginctl, or are implementing loginctl compatibility in other init systems |
| 22:06.20 | Sho_ | zoldyck: afaik ubuntu is doing the latter, but perhaps not in a released version |
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| 22:13.22 | rtur | Does KDE 4 create some pid or lock file when it starts a user session ? |
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| 22:45.10 | joh6nn | i'm not aware of one, but you should be able to add one to the login process fairly simply |
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| 23:22.25 | alesan | hi! |
| 23:22.34 | alesan | how can I check which exact version of KDE I am running? |
| 23:22.46 | alesan | (I'm using kubuntu 13.10) |
| 23:23.23 | alesan | my questions are: where is that flag in the config that allows to resize maximized windows? I do not find it anymore and it feels like I'm using gnome without it |
| 23:23.58 | joh6nn | alesan: you can get the version info from the about menu of most KDE apps |
| 23:24.34 | joh6nn | there should be an 'about kde' option near the bottom of the help or about menu, which will tell you the kde version number |
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| 23:26.27 | alesan | 4.11.3 |
| 23:26.37 | alesan | is this the latest KDE or is it very old? |
| 23:26.52 | Sho_ | alesan: It's neither |
| 23:26.59 | Jacky | O_O |
| 23:27.00 | Sho_ | alesan: It's a fairly recent release of the 4.11.x line |
| 23:27.05 | Sho_ | Current is 4.12.0, though |
| 23:27.07 | alesan | ok thanks! |
| 23:27.14 | alesan | do you know how to resolve my problem? |
| 23:27.16 | Sho_ | 4.11.3 is what you'd expect to see in many distros atm, on their CDs and stuff |
| 23:27.26 | Sho_ | let me look higher up what the problem was |
| 23:27.39 | Sho_ | alesan: That was indeed removed in 4.11 |
| 23:27.39 | alesan | where is that flag in the config that allows to resize maximized windows? I do not find it anymore and it feels like I'm using gnome without it |
| 23:27.40 | oldlaptop | Sho_: currently what's in Debian testing too |
| 23:27.43 | alesan | what???? |
| 23:28.11 | Sho_ | alesan: It happened as a side-effect of various other changes and let's say the developers perhaps underestimated how popular it was |
| 23:28.30 | Sho_ | It wasn't really intentionally removed |
| 23:28.35 | alesan | Sho_, any possible way to go back with that setting? |
| 23:28.45 | alesan | I really feel frustrated without it... :( |
| 23:28.50 | Sho_ | Sadly I don't know of one |
| 23:29.14 | alesan | :( OK hopefully they will put it back... |
| 23:29.28 | Sho_ | alesan: Maybe middle/right-clicking the maximize button could be an acceptable workaround for you |
| 23:29.43 | Sho_ | That allows one-axis maximizations quickly ... if that's what you use resizing of max'ed windows for |
| 23:30.05 | oldlaptop | Sho_: ooh, neat trick |
| 23:30.20 | alesan | well sure I use that too... but you agree they are semantically different :) |
| 23:30.27 | Sho_ | alesan: sure, yeah :) |
| 23:30.32 | Sho_ | was just hoping to reduce the pain for you |
| 23:30.34 | alesan | ok thanks! |
| 23:30.39 | Sho_ | oldlaptop: One of my very first KDE bugfixes was actually fixing the restore behavior from partial maximizations |
| 23:30.41 | Sho_ | good times .. |
| 23:30.54 | alesan | listen but do you think the oxygen theme could make the active window title bar of a different color? |
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| 23:31.12 | oldlaptop | I've often wondered about that too |
| 23:31.14 | Sho_ | alesan: I think that's supported in the options actually |
| 23:31.36 | oldlaptop | waaaay back when SUSE had a separate window decoration called 'Ozone' that did that |
| 23:31.41 | oldlaptop | it's long since gone away |
| 23:32.01 | Sho_ | alesan: It's a bit unintuitively named |
| 23:32.07 | Sho_ | check the "Outline active window title" option |
| 23:33.13 | Sho_ | then you get a look like http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/14/plasma-desktopfw1497.png |
| 23:33.38 | alesan | Sho_, OK found it |
| 23:33.42 | alesan | it's ugly eheheheh :D |
| 23:33.55 | Sho_ | it's probably best to switch off colored shadows when using that option |
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| 23:33.59 | alesan | but I will get used to it |
| 23:34.05 | Sho_ | then you don't get the weird rim highlight on the colored bar |
| 23:35.12 | oldlaptop | http://plantmonster.homeip.net/~oldlaptop/images/kdevelop.png - I prefer my heavily screwed-up qtcurve window decoration :P |
| 23:35.21 | oldlaptop | haven't managed to find anything I like as much |
| 23:35.33 | Sho_ | oldlaptop: shameless plug: http://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/17/tuning-kdevelops-ui-layout |
| 23:36.45 | oldlaptop | window layouts with no menu always throw me for a loop :/ |
| 23:37.07 | oldlaptop | ever since Chrome/Chromium came up with that idea I've been looking for ways to turn that off in various things |
| 23:37.19 | Sho_ | oldlaptop: that was a last-minute suggestion by someone else and i needed a while to get used to it, too .. but the rest of the layout i love, working well in practice |
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| 23:42.09 | alesan | Sho_, do you have any kind of positive info from the devs that they are commited to reintroduce the maximized window thing, or I just have to hope? |
| 23:43.23 | Sho_ | alesan: I don't have any data in either direction ... the kwin devs have been extremely busy with porting kwin to qt5/kf5 lately because without kwin no workspace, so they had a lot resting on their shoulders |
| 23:43.51 | oldlaptop | kf5? |
| 23:44.01 | oldlaptop | oh, is that what kdelibs is now? |
| 23:44.03 | Sho_ | oldlaptop: KDE Frameworks 5, i.e. the next gen of KDE's platform libs |
| 23:44.04 | Sho_ | yep |
| 23:44.10 | Sho_ | alesan: I think as a result, they haven't had much time to look at kde4 lately |
| 23:44.43 | Sho_ | oldlaptop: but "porting to qt5" is the bigger item there, because it e.g. meant porting to xcb and away from qpixmap completely and so on |
| 23:44.57 | alesan | xcb? what is? |
| 23:45.10 | Sho_ | a replacement for libx11, i.e. a different stack to talk to an X server |
| 23:45.11 | alesan | is that some sort of abstraction layer from the resolution of the display? |
| 23:45.28 | Sho_ | for some technical reasons, porting a window manager from qt4 to qt5 is a lot more work than porting a typical app |
| 23:45.59 | Jacky | \wsbtm |
| 23:46.02 | Jacky | oops |
| 23:46.27 | Sho_ | Plasma Workspaces 2 is also supposed to run on Wayland in addition to X11, which means additional work for the KWin devs since in a Wayland world, KWin has to take on many new responsibilities (aside from needing to be X-independent) |
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| 23:47.29 | oldlaptop | what exactly does Wayland do that X doesn't? |
| 23:47.44 | oldlaptop | I had thought it *provided* WM outright? |
| 23:47.51 | Sho_ | No, on the contrary |
| 23:47.56 | oldlaptop | or does kwin have to become a Wayland implementation? |
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| 23:48.01 | Sho_ | In Wayland, KWin effectively becomes the display server |
| 23:48.11 | Jacky | oh man |
| 23:48.16 | Jacky | that sounds good and bad |
| 23:48.38 | Jacky | actually more bad in terms of maintainence than good |
| 23:48.42 | Sho_ | And the compositor has a lot more roles to play, because the idea of the Wayland security model is that clients don't know anything about their environment - for example, Wayland windows have no way to know their screen coordinates |
| 23:48.53 | Sho_ | So a lot more placement policy has to be done in coordination with the compositor |
| 23:49.33 | oldlaptop | this Wayland transition (if it ever even happens completely) is going to be really really messy :/ |
| 23:49.46 | Jacky | incredibly |
| 23:49.47 | Sho_ | I think it'll be fairly unmessy overall |
| 23:50.00 | oldlaptop | also going to ruin a lot of people's favorite lighweight WMs, make everyone use something like KDE |
| 23:50.06 | Sho_ | The modern toolkits (and especially KDE's stack) isolate most apps very well from the window system |
| 23:50.09 | oldlaptop | if the WM has to be a display server |
| 23:50.16 | Sho_ | Ironically, porting KDE 4 to win32 has proven helpful there |
| 23:50.22 | Sho_ | KDE apps already use window system-agnostic APIS |
| 23:50.40 | Sho_ | The brunt of the work is on the shell bits and the window manager |
| 23:50.47 | oldlaptop | yep |
| 23:51.00 | oldlaptop | bye bye lxde, so long fluxbox |
| 23:51.04 | oldlaptop | nice knowing you |
| 23:51.16 | Sho_ | Yep, that's true |
| 23:51.21 | oldlaptop | too bad you don't have the resources to maintain a whole display server |
| 23:51.44 | Sho_ | we |
| 23:51.47 | Sho_ | *we'll see |
| 23:52.01 | Sho_ | A lot of folks are probably going to do experimental forks of Weston and so on |
| 23:52.11 | Sho_ | And some things will be factored out into helper libs, etc. |
| 23:52.22 | Sho_ | But the landscape will certainly change a bit, yeah |
| 23:52.43 | oldlaptop | what is Weston again? |
| 23:52.52 | oldlaptop | is that a display server/WM/whatever too? |
| 23:53.12 | Sho_ | LXde for example is switching to Qt right now, and there's an ongoing effort to provide reusable Qt components to build Wayland compositors with (which we might share in too) |
| 23:53.25 | Sho_ | So LXde probably has a path to Wayland there |
| 23:53.38 | Sho_ | oldlaptop: Weston is the reference compositor being developed by the Wayland community |
| 23:53.47 | Sho_ | It's a testbed, proof of concept, etc. |
| 23:54.02 | oldlaptop | fluxbox/xmonad/awesome/e14/etc are all screwed though? |
| 23:54.14 | Sho_ | I think Enlightenment is actually working on Wayland support already |
| 23:54.30 | Sho_ | fluxbox/xmonad/awesome might be screwed, yeah (but don't take my word for it, I don't know their plans) |
| 23:54.47 | Sho_ | E is in the same boat as we do, they have their own wm+compositor and talented people in the domain |
| 23:54.52 | Sho_ | *as we are |
| 23:55.01 | Sho_ | so they'll just make the transition too |
| 23:56.13 | oldlaptop | or the transition doesn't happen fully |
| 23:57.03 | Jacky | let us pray for awesome magic with Wayland |
| 23:57.10 | Sho_ | We'll see. There's definitely still a lot of work to do :) |
| 23:57.10 | Jacky | then start coding ;) |
| 23:57.35 | Sho_ | I'll have to do some of that work, even |
| 23:57.53 | Sho_ | I maintain KDE's Task Manager right now, and in Wayland, the Task Manager has to get its data from kwin, which is in no way spec'ed out so far |
| 23:58.13 | Sho_ | Also, I maintain Yakuake, which is one of the few apps which do go to great lengths to position their windows themselves |
| 23:58.19 | Sho_ | So that'll need a solution, too |
