| 00:00.45 | robertjw_ | There seems to be a lot of user resistance to a mandatory semantic desktop (e.g. http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/198639/index.html). Have we considered making it a user choice to either opt-in or opt-out? |
| 00:01.47 | tosky | robertjw_: the article reports quite few incorrect information |
| 00:02.08 | robertjw_ | Can you be more specific? |
| 00:02.25 | tosky | first, quoting phoronix as he did in the wrong way |
| 00:02.44 | tosky | Nepomuk is not going to disappear, as most of the code will be still used |
| 00:02.49 | Jucato | i think the better solution would be to make it as invisible (lightweight, non resource intensive, etc.) as possible so that users don't even feel that it's there, but developers can still take advantage of whatever features it can offer |
| 00:03.00 | tosky | also, it mixes up Nepomuk and Akonadi |
| 00:03.25 | tosky | Jucato: and this was the effort of the last releases, which led to what is internally called Baloo |
| 00:03.38 | Jucato | tosky: yep |
| 00:04.08 | Jucato | just saying (god i hate that phrase) that simply offering it as something optional isn't really a solution for the long term |
| 00:05.48 | robertjw_ | but what I am not understanding is what we would lose by offering choice to the user. |
| 00:06.08 | tosky | you can disable nepomuk even now |
| 00:06.33 | tosky | the problem many users see is mostly about resources |
| 00:06.53 | tosky | I don't think anyone turns of the search integrated with Mac systems, for example |
| 00:08.11 | robertjw_ | It seems to be the individual desktop use case that is objecting to the lack of choice. |
| 00:08.24 | tosky | as I said, you can turn it off even now |
| 00:08.42 | tosky | the article puts in the same stack Akonadi, which has nothing to do with the semantic |
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| 00:11.13 | robertjw_ | I'm not well enough versed in the architecture to speak to that point, but the author claims that Kmail requires the semantic desktop. Is that true? |
| 00:11.31 | rdieter | robertjw_: it is not |
| 00:12.17 | robertjw_ | Can you elaborate? |
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| 00:13.38 | rdieter | you asked if the statement was true. kmail doesn't require nepomuk (strictly) |
| 00:14.14 | rdieter | it can and will use it if it's available, for to enhance mail searching capabilities |
| 00:14.31 | Jucato | it does use nepomuk for searching from contacts in kaddressbook but not from recently used addresses |
| 00:14.35 | tosky | it can use nepomuk a system for indexing the emails, but you don't need to enable it for the files too (so yes, you can have semantic *desktop* disabled but use nepomuk as indexer) |
| 00:16.09 | Jucato | bottom line: users always have had a choice to have it on or off |
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| 00:20.51 | moviuro | could anyone confirm the following bug? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331512 thanks |
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| 00:49.59 | Addle | moviuro: Yep, I get that behaviour as well. |
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| 00:51.11 | Addle | moviuro: FYI I'm on 4.12.2 |
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| 01:59.46 | adadad | hey can anyone tell me where i can read more about how the date and time applet works? it doesn't appear to be correctly setting the timezone on my system... |
| 01:59.58 | adadad | (or at the very least, what its name is) |
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| 02:29.56 | accipter | Is there anyway to control the preview/name returned by Nepomuk to krunner? |
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| 04:55.33 | AegNuddel | ok I have this kde for windows thing installed |
| 04:55.44 | AegNuddel | I keep looking for kdenlive |
| 04:56.06 | AegNuddel | but each time I look, it is not listed in the repository |
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| 04:58.55 | AegNuddel | #firstworldproblems.... |
| 05:02.35 | HisaoNakai | AegNuddel: Can use the KXStudio repos - http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 05:08.42 | AegNuddel | Do you know what URL I add? |
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| 05:12.50 | AegNuddel | It asks for a URL and I only see how to add it on certain operating systems. Tried the main page; no luck |
| 05:14.33 | Jucato | you could try asking in #kdenlive though I don't think the software is available directly available on Windows |
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| 05:50.30 | kakonema | hello |
| 05:51.45 | kakonema | is there a irc for KDE localization or can i ask here? |
| 05:52.09 | valorie | hmmm, ask, and I'll look |
| 05:53.11 | Jucato | i think #kde-l10n but sure ask first and valorie will handle it |
| 05:53.17 | Jucato | runs and hides |
| 05:53.36 | AegNuddel | argh someone packaged a version of a virtual box image of kdenlive and the stupid thing doesn't even show up |
| 05:53.55 | valorie | rofl |
| 05:54.37 | valorie | yup, that is the correct channel |
| 05:54.51 | valorie | bows to the superior knowledge of Jucato |
| 05:55.12 | Jucato | i couldn't decide if it were -l10n or i18n though |
| 05:55.27 | Jucato | curiously, i think it's also the documentation team channel ... |
| 05:56.24 | valorie | no, #kde-docs is the doc team chan |
| 05:57.09 | Jucato | oh that has changed then |
| 05:57.15 | Jucato | from 8 years ago ... |
| 05:57.16 | Jucato | >.< |
| 05:57.39 | AegNuddel | downloads an iso of Skolelinux to use in VirtualBox |
| 05:57.48 | valorie | heh, we have a #kde-i18n too |
| 05:58.21 | valorie | proliferation of lil chans |
| 05:59.07 | Jucato | great ... |
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| 06:00.32 | AegNuddel | kde what? |
| 06:00.49 | AegNuddel | il8n??? |
| 06:01.27 | Jucato | shortcut for "internationalization" |
| 06:01.36 | Jucato | 18 letters between 'i' and 'n' so i18n |
| 06:02.06 | Jucato | l10n means localization, 10 letters between 'l' and 'n' |
| 06:02.20 | AegNuddel | ah |
| 06:02.24 | Jucato | nothing to do with #kdenlive though |
| 06:03.02 | lowsfer | Oh, first time I got to know how that comes |
| 06:03.05 | AegNuddel | Well, just downloading a smaller Linux distro to use in VBox |
| 06:03.35 | kakonema | Oh i see |
| 06:04.10 | kakonema | Thing is there is already my language for KDE but in Cyrillic alphabet... |
| 06:04.28 | kakonema | I wanna transliterate it to latin so i need some tips |
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| 06:06.38 | Jucato | AegNuddel: this http://sudofixit.blogspot.com/2013/06/guide-kdenlive-on-windows-properly.html might be a bit more work, but it could theoretically let you directly use your hardware, versus running inside a virtual machine. haven't tested it though. just came across it earlier when you asked about kdenlive |
| 06:07.58 | AegNuddel | Think I will try my way first |
| 06:08.50 | Jucato | yep that's much easier |
| 06:10.01 | AegNuddel | I may end up using it for other things anyway |
| 06:10.15 | AegNuddel | I *AM* a game developer |
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| 06:15.09 | kakonema | i18n is not really alive |
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| 06:16.22 | kakonema | So do I start as with new language or do I need to contact the coordinators of existing language? |
| 06:18.14 | AegNuddel | if this works |
| 06:19.54 | AegNuddel | Here's hoping since it came to a screen |
| 06:22.13 | AegNuddel | but it doesn't seem to be doing anything |
| 06:23.41 | AegNuddel | hmm seems to hang at splash screen |
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| 06:24.08 | AegNuddel | oh wait here is something |
| 06:26.05 | AegNuddel | LOL it's not gonna find a CD-ROM I don't have |
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| 07:17.55 | AegNuddel | oops |
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| 09:22.44 | wm4 | all of a sudden, all kde and qt apps ignore the style set by systemsettings |
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| 09:23.04 | wm4 | systemsettings shows a correct preview window, but applying a style has no effect |
| 09:23.25 | wm4 | at least one other setting, cursor blink frequency, is also ignored |
| 09:23.57 | wm4 | it happened "spontaneously" when I was messing around with qtcreator, and all newly started programs were affected |
| 09:24.12 | wm4 | I didn't install or uninstall anything |
| 09:24.21 | moviuro | wm4: does logout/login help? |
| 09:24.27 | wm4 | moviuro: no |
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| 09:24.49 | moviuro | wm4: qtconfig ? |
| 09:25.00 | moviuro | wm4: qtconfig-qt4 ? |
| 09:25.06 | wm4 | moviuro: yes, all programs actually use qtconfig |
| 09:25.10 | wm4 | I found that out later |
| 09:25.39 | moviuro | does it say: GUI Style: "Desktop Settings" ? |
| 09:26.00 | wm4 | moviuro: it used to, but now I switched to a specific theme to get rid of the ugly default |
| 09:26.33 | moviuro | wm4: then, put it to the default, the use systemsettings to set the nice theme (Oxygen or whatever you useà |
| 09:26.40 | moviuro | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.52 | wm4 | this did not work, but I can try again |
| 09:27.53 | wm4 | nope, doesn't work, it uses a default theme |
| 09:28.15 | moviuro | Whoa... 7.97 W 34.7 ms/s 692.5 Process kwin --replace |
| 09:28.16 | wm4 | the default theme seems to be "Phase" |
| 09:28.44 | moviuro | way too much!! What's happening to kwin? it only uses 2W in a 'normal' use |
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| 09:34.04 | moviuro | It makes my battery life dramatically drop |
| 09:34.19 | wm4 | moviuro: it also happens when I create another user and run an isolated x session in it |
| 09:34.28 | moviuro | from 8hours to 5hours |
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| 09:36.49 | moviuro | ok, well Kwin stopped using my power... strange |
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| 09:54.43 | Addle | moviuro: powertop lies sometimes :) |
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| 09:57.13 | scummos | powertop really isn't that reliable, yes |
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| 11:12.03 | Axtroz | I've recompiled kdepim (with the pimlibs and new dependencies) from git and disabled nepomuk. However when I try to search for something in kmail I get "Cannot get search result. Invalid syntax". The rest of KDE is 4.12.0, do I have to rebuild the whole DE ? |
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| 11:34.25 | BluesKaj | ' Morning folks |
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| 11:48.30 | sol0 | any kde user with archlinux distro here? |
| 11:48.33 | sol0 | I need some help |
| 11:49.02 | sol0 | I can't use plasmoids which require plasma-scriptengine-ruby package |
| 11:49.57 | sol0 | neither can I find it in archlinux's official repos or AUR |
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| 13:29.27 | ajaygaur | where can i find abakus source-code on git? |
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| 14:54.39 | gnumdk | i'm trying to print a pdf document with no success since 2 hours... I install evince and it works out of the box :( |
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| 16:22.20 | shevy | is kde konsole limited to ansi colours (14 or some such) or can there be more colours, especially in R,G,B format? |
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| 16:25.22 | thiago | shevy: there was some discussion about xterm256 and full colour in the past |
| 16:25.33 | thiago | shevy: why don't you try the escape sequence and see if it works? |
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| 16:26.57 | shevy | thiago: well that is the point of asking, if I try it and find out it does not work it's rather frustrating |
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| 16:28.31 | thiago | I assumed you already knew the sequence |
| 16:28.43 | thiago | anyway, the only way to find out if it works is to simply try |
| 16:28.53 | shevy | not really, I only have them for the main ansi ones |
| 16:29.11 | svuorela | 256 color terminal ? heretic. |
| 16:29.13 | thiago | it's not konsole specific |
| 16:29.34 | svuorela | back when I was young, we only had one color |
| 16:29.39 | shevy | I dont use any other konsole though ;-) |
| 16:29.58 | shevy | sometimes gnome-terminal but I feel bad |
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| 16:30.30 | shevy | svuorela I remember CGA and VGA! and I think EGA? not sure without googling... |
| 16:30.37 | thiago | svuorela: I hope you had at least two: one for the foreground and one for the background! |
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| 16:31.55 | svuorela | thiago: not back when I had to walk thru the 3 m deep snow wearing shorts and t-shirts in the summer. |
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| 16:38.37 | shevy | cool it works |
| 16:38.50 | OnkelTem | Hi. I want to record a screencast, what tool I can use on kde? |
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| 16:41.13 | OnkelTem | Looks like screenr.com is not compatible with IDE |
| 16:41.16 | OnkelTem | KDE |
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| 16:56.01 | fairc | OnkelTem: qt-recordmydesktop, works fine here |
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| 16:56.32 | fairc | OnkelTem: ie. the qt interface for record my desktop |
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| 17:05.02 | OnkelTem | fairc: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 17:05.08 | OnkelTem | How to add langauge to KDE? |
| 17:05.35 | OnkelTem | I opened Locale configuration window and there is only American English and no way to add new one |
| 17:06.22 | cb400f | open your package manager.. and install the relevant l10n packages |
| 17:07.40 | OnkelTem | cb400f: I want chrome to be in Russian. It depends on the system language. So what are 'relevant l10n packages'? |
| 17:08.02 | cb400f | chrome is not a kde package... talk to google about chrome translations |
| 17:08.23 | OnkelTem | it has no sense |
| 17:08.31 | OnkelTem | why posting senseless replies? |
| 17:09.06 | OnkelTem | Much better: talk to KDE people about how to add system language to KDE |
| 17:09.15 | OnkelTem | becuase relevant locale is already in place: |
| 17:09.25 | OnkelTem | oh, no, I wont post locale-gen reply |
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| 17:10.08 | cb400f | the relevant package is something like kde-l10n-ru |
| 17:10.25 | cb400f | the exact package naming depends on your distribution |
| 17:10.32 | cb400f | should be pretty easy to figure out |
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| 17:18.49 | Kvaks_ | Help! Akonadi fails to connect to MySQL. I know nothing about MySQL. Akonadi's self-test reports Test 8 error: "MySQL server configuration not found or not readable". Google could not help me find a fix for this. (Kubuntu, KDE 4.11.3) |
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| 18:09.19 | moviuro | Kvaks_: 1) make sure mysql/mariadb is installed |
| 18:09.43 | moviuro | 2) make sure its config file is readable by you or at least by user mysql |
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| 18:14.33 | Kvaks_ | moviuro: Thanks for the reply. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.5K Sep 7 2012 /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 18:14.44 | Kvaks_ | ... and rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3.3M Jan 21 22:42 /usr/bin/mysql |
| 18:15.09 | moviuro | Kvaks_: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4916 Jan 31 13:36 /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 18:16.19 | Kvaks_ | So it's readable by all! |
| 18:16.38 | Kvaks_ | But akonadi doesn't seem to think so. |
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| 18:17.24 | ajaygaur | So i have built 2-3 small kde apps like kcalc. I am learning Qt C++. Can anyone suggest me a very simple bug on which i can work on. I am a newbie and have not worked on open source yet. |
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| 18:24.16 | moviuro | ajaygaur: ask on #kde-devel |
| 18:24.42 | ajaygaur | moviuro : Thanx |
| 18:24.46 | moviuro | Kvaks_: also, is the MySQL daemon started ? # service mysqld start |
| 18:24.54 | moviuro | or whatever t is like in Kubuntu |
| 18:25.00 | moviuro | gota go |
| 18:25.04 | moviuro | yw, ajaygaur |
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| 18:32.21 | Marquel | morning. short question about konqueror's javascript filter: it is active to globally block javascript. now how can i deactivate that filter for local files or at least a part of a given local file path? |
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| 18:38.58 | wm4 | I've had this problem for a day: all of a sudden, all kde and qt apps ignore the style set by systemsettings |
| 18:39.02 | wm4 | systemsettings shows a correct preview window, but applying a style has no effect |
| 18:39.06 | wm4 | at least one other setting, cursor blink frequency, is also ignored |
| 18:39.21 | wm4 | kde and qt programs fall back to some ugly style (apparently "Phase") |
| 18:39.40 | wm4 | I can set the kde and qt style by setting it explicitly in qtconfig, that's the only thing that works |
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| 19:16.52 | ponyofdeath | hi, when i use oxygen / QTCurve i get some artifacts on my glamor + mesa 10 system, here is a screenshot http://gypsyops.aresgate.net/~vladi/gl_errors.png |
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| 19:17.37 | ponyofdeath | it happens much worse with the oxygen widget style |
| 19:17.40 | ponyofdeath | any ideas? |
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| 20:03.34 | AwoL | anyone have any idea why email sent from kmail (to a postfix mail server) is giving me this opendkim error on the mail server: "can't determine message sender; accepting" ? |
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| 20:05.35 | ompaul | AwoL the internet suggests: Either the From: field in the message was garbled or missing, so opendkim can't decide whether or not it should be signing the message. |
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| 20:06.40 | AwoL | ompaul: yes, sorry I didn't clarify, kmail is configured to include a "From:" field |
| 20:07.02 | AwoL | I wonder if kmail doesn't write headers in a weird way or something |
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| 20:09.10 | ompaul | AwoL: the only time I've personally seen things like this I actually copied the data from the from field and pasted it into a text document, for examination later I found hidden characters, I just rewrote the entries that made up the name / address later (wasn't kmail - was a broken data import from one box to another, so not the same thing |
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| 20:10.15 | ompaul | AwoL: for instance a O was wasn't something that the box it was could be parsed on... it took me a week after the fix to work out what was happening |
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| 20:12.39 | AwoL | ompaul: that's an interesting idea - so far doesn't quite seem to be the problem, but it's more info at least |
| 20:12.40 | AwoL | thanks |
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| 20:25.47 | EvilRoey | hey all |
| 20:25.50 | EvilRoey | woop-woops |
| 20:25.53 | EvilRoey | rindolf: hi! |
| 20:25.59 | EvilRoey | RingtailedFox: hey there |
| 20:26.05 | EvilRoey | RingtailedFox: there is on ##security a DarkFox. |
| 20:26.09 | EvilRoey | you're not related are you? |
| 20:26.36 | rindolf | EvilRoey: hi. |
| 20:26.40 | rindolf | EvilRoey: what's up? |
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| 21:04.33 | dbtid | does someone have the inclination to help me figure something out? our system starts with kdm as the display manager, but w/o a window manager. it starts two child processes, /usr/bin/X and -:0. the second starts /bin/bash /home/user/startapp which starts a java app under X. problem is: i cannot find how this is being done! |
| 21:04.54 | dbtid | i've done 'find . -print0 | xargs -0 grep startapp' all over the place. it's not obvious. |
| 21:05.10 | dbtid | i've looked at the cmdline in /proc/pid for all those processes w/ no luck. |
| 21:05.16 | dbtid | this is opensuse 10.3 and an older kdm |
| 21:05.17 | dbtid | thanks. |
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| 21:06.17 | Sonderblade | dbtid: perhaps it's started in ~/.xinitrc? |
| 21:06.38 | dbtid | Sonderblade: root or /home/user ? |
| 21:06.43 | dbtid | there isn't one in /home/user |
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| 21:07.07 | dbtid | there is .xinitrc.template |
| 21:07.21 | dbtid | nothing there starts the app |
| 21:07.42 | dbtid | i am not new to *nix. i know how init does its job, and inittab and /etc/init.d and such. |
| 21:07.53 | dbtid | that's why i'm so annoyed about this. |
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| 21:09.41 | Sonderblade | i never heard of a process named "-:0" |
| 21:09.48 | dbtid | i hadn't either. |
| 21:09.56 | dbtid | i would be funnier if it was :-0 :) |
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| 21:12.15 | dbtid | ah ok. a clue. in /tmp there is a file that contains the command used to start the sub process |
| 21:12.36 | dbtid | but it looks like a resource file |
| 21:12.52 | dbtid | [Desktop Entry]\nExec=/path/to/startapp\nName=Application Name |
| 21:12.57 | dbtid | weird |
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| 21:15.26 | Sonderblade | check /etc/X11/Xsession.d there's probably a script in there that starts startapp |
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| 21:15.43 | dbtid | no such directory :( |
| 21:15.51 | dbtid | sorry |
| 21:16.08 | dbtid | it starts a touch screen daemon |
| 21:18.05 | Sonderblade | is there a /etc/kde4/kdm/Xession file? it should give you a clue |
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| 21:19.26 | dbtid | it's kde3 if it makes a difference |
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| 21:20.13 | dbtid | i have /opt/kde3/(bin,env,include,lib,share,shutdown) |
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| 21:22.28 | Sonderblade | well the principle should be the same but the paths are different |
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| 21:22.51 | dbtid | is it Xsession or XSession? |
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| 21:23.07 | Sonderblade | if all else fails, grep startapp / -RI should eventually locate the script that starts startapp |
| 21:23.31 | dbtid | well, doing that with find doesn't work when find hits a pipe |
| 21:23.34 | dbtid | i've run into that already |
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| 21:23.57 | Sonderblade | you have to run it as non-root |
| 21:24.09 | dbtid | yeah that would be better |
| 21:24.12 | dbtid | i just do -type f |
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| 21:25.10 | Sonderblade | find / -type f -exec grep -H startapp {} \; |
| 21:25.13 | dbtid | ok |
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| 21:25.47 | dbtid | all right; started |
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| 21:25.52 | dbtid | thanks for your help Sonderblade |
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| 21:26.02 | dbtid | i appreciate someone helping me think this through |
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| 21:43.16 | Tazmain | hi all, how can I get the value of the current wallpaper (file name and location) for the screen on the right ? or any screen, I can write a grep to filter it. |
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| 22:13.13 | rohan | found it, "quick tile window" |
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