IRC log for #kde on 20140319

00:00.45Jucatorun the app "kmix"
00:01.42Firestartertried that it don't seem to want to load
00:03.41Firestarterif I try to run it in the konsole this is what I get QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
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00:05.06Jucatothat would just be a warning. no window is showing up?
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00:06.00FirestarterJucato: no
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00:07.49AddleFirestarter: And it's not in the system tray?
00:07.56Firestarterno
00:08.10Jucatoit might already be running. can you press Ctrl+Esc and see if it is?
00:08.32Firestarterps xu shows it running
00:08.58Firestartershould I end it
00:09.12AddleFirestarter: Can't hurt.
00:09.46Jucatodepends on how you end it, but yeah
00:10.00Jucato("kquitapp kmix" being the most "respectful" way)
00:10.14AddlePerhaps "can't" is a strong word, but unlikely, anyways. :)
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00:14.12Firestarterstill nothing after I restart it
00:14.33Firestarterlet me log out and see if it appears for giggles
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00:15.51acerspyroKDE 4.13?
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00:16.30Firestarterstill nothing
00:17.44Jucatonothing as in no window appears?
00:18.21Firestarterkmix starts at login but won't show in the taskbar
00:18.41acerspyroDid KDE 4.13 get released?
00:19.01Jucatoacerspyro: no
00:19.24JucatoFirestarter: yeah, but it might be a setting in the app so it's important that the window shows up first so you can get to it.
00:19.27acerspyrohttp://www.muktware.com/2014/03/second-beta-kde-4-13-applications-arrives-install-opensuse-arch-linux/23080
00:19.34Jucatoacerspyro: *beta*
00:19.44acerspyroJucato: idc, it's there?
00:20.23FirestarterJucato: Is there a config file for it in the home dir?
00:20.43AddleFirestarter: I think kmixrc. Let me see where it is...
00:20.58Firestarterrunning kubuntu
00:21.04Jucato~/.kde/share/config/kmixrc usually
00:21.36Jucatoacerspyro: if you mean 4.13 *beta*, yes it's there. but if you mean a final release, no. which is why it's called *beta*
00:21.38AddleJucato: Yep, correct. Well, mine's .kde4, but close enough.
00:22.55acerspyroWhen is KDE 5 getting released?
00:23.02acerspyroHoping it won't look like w8
00:23.14acerspyroNot the framework, the KDE 5 desktop
00:24.10Jucatomakes my brain hurt just thinking about how to explain that there is no "KDE 5", but meh, I'm at work ...
00:24.16Firestarterwill paste my kmixrc file here.
00:24.32Firestarterhttp://pastebin.com/AuvCJgDV
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00:25.00Jucatohttp://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma/2014.6_Release_Schedule maybe
00:26.23scummosyes that's the schedule for the desktop
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00:27.32acerspyrokk
00:28.41JucatoFirestarter: by any chance, when you click on the little "up" triangle on the system tray (beside the clock usually), to show hidden icons, is kmix (the volume control) there?
00:30.12Firestarterfound it I deleted the whole system tray
00:30.26Jucatook ...
00:30.53Jucatoyes that would  have definitely made kmix, and a lot of other things, disappear ...
00:31.04james0r2trying to install a plasmoid widget from source, cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` .. <-- don't forget the ..!
00:31.11james0r2I don't understand that line though
00:32.59acerspyro".." represents the directory bearing the current directory
00:33.04Jucatoacerspyro: no
00:33.17acerspyro?
00:33.23Jucatoparent directory
00:33.33james0r2same thing right?
00:33.40FirestarterJucato: Thanks I went thought the widgets a dozen times and the last one more time after you told me to go over there I double clicked widgets and it worked.  lol
00:33.45james0r2okay so i don't need to edit that line?
00:33.46Jucatojames0r2: kde doesn't allow you to put the build files in the same place as the source files. so you have to run cmake and make (to compile) in a separate build directory, usually in a build directory under the source directory. you probably had to run "mkdir build" and "cd build" before that
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00:34.02Jucatoit just tells you to run cmake, but the CMakeLists.txt is one directory up
00:34.32james0r2Jucato, i see. yes it tells me to mkdir build and cd build before
00:34.41Kitzudo cmake ../
00:34.59james0r2okay here i go
00:35.01JucatoKitzu: no that would be incomplete for KDE's purposes
00:35.11Kitzuokay
00:35.28Jucatothe -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX switch is very important
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00:38.20james0r2had to install cmake but i got an error saying it can't find cmake in .kde/share/apps
00:38.43acerspyroWhat does KDE really mean?
00:38.52acerspyroI got a few definitions here and there...
00:40.05james0r2this is what i get http://paste.debian.net/88482/
00:40.06Jucatothe acronym no longer really stands for anything
00:40.30acerspyrokool Desktop Environment
00:41.07Jucatothat only lasted a week or a day. it was then just officially "K Desktop Environment", until it just became "KDE", not an acronym anymore
00:41.30Jucatojames0r2: you're still missing a few things needed to compile kde apps
00:41.57Jucatojames0r2: depending on your distro, you'll need something like kdelibs-devel (kdelibs5-dev I think on Debian/Ubuntu/etc.) and kde-workspace-devel
00:42.17Jucatoyou might have to ask your distro or search in your package manager for "kde development libraries and headers"
00:42.33james0r2Jucato, i'm on debian testing, okay i'll check synaptic for those
00:44.04james0r2Jucato, kdelibs5 and kde-workspace-devel are here. i'll install em and try again
00:45.06Jucatojames0r2: kdelibs5-devel?
00:45.08james0r2yikes. problems downloading from my repo
00:45.17Jucatonot just kdelibs5
00:45.28james0r2Jucato, i found 'kdelibs-dev'
00:45.49acerspyrojames0r2: Don't let it download the problems, ffs.
00:46.27james0r2acerspyro, i canceled the download instead of ignoring missing packages
00:46.30Jucatojames0r2: might be kdelibs5-dev. not exactly sure. Debian has this strange numbering
00:47.52james0r2okay. i'll try to resolve this issue with the packages
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01:24.46warecrashhello
01:25.01warecrashI am looking to build a linux distro with KDE, and I have a couple of questions.
01:25.40warecrashFirst off, are there any other packages that are required or recommended to use KDE? Perhaps a link to a list of such packages.
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01:26.02warecrashSecond, are there any themes in particular that you prefer?
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01:36.42zsocHiya, does anyone know if philipp schmidt (kio-mtp) hangs out around these parts?
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06:14.19lordievaderGood morning.
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06:17.30PaulFertserCan anybody provide me with a contact to kde admin team, please, files.kde.org is inaccessible here and I need to report it.
06:18.28valoriePaulFertser: #kde-sysadmin
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06:20.26PaulFertservalorie: thank you!
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09:28.52osa1guys, my terminals occasionally print this line: "IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon" any ideas why? how can I fix this?
09:29.05osa1I'm using latest openSUSE (KDE)
09:29.26osa1(or should I ask this in #opensuse ?)
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09:36.33NurbsHi! On KDE 4.11, is it possible to set defaults for the view shown when opening or saving files? The dialogs are always opening with a fully zoomed in detail view it seems.
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09:39.15moviuroNurbs: try File > Open, set as you want, Cancel, retry
09:39.29Nurbsmoviuro: never stored it for me
09:39.51NurbsBut I was just able to adjust the size in ~/.kde/share/config/kdialogrc (always happens right after asking). Now, if I could make it use the detailed tree view by default ...
09:40.37NurbsIt's actually storing that.
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09:42.00NurbsChrome uses a different icon size now, too, but it's twice the size of what the other apps use. Weird, but not that far off from what I wanted.
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10:25.30sysop2hi!
10:26.16Ardonik!ih
10:26.23ArdonikI have always wanted to say that.
10:26.35sysop2I was wondering where I could find usage stats on windows managers. I have googled around but cant really find anything. I was wondering world wide what the usage of KDE vs GNOME vs unity is now.
10:26.56sysop2glad I was I able to help out Ardonik
10:27.16ArdonikUnfortunately, I won't be able to help you out with your question.
10:27.39ArdonikDoes the popularity contest matter overmuch at this stage of the game?
10:27.42sysop2thats ok maybe someone else will.
10:27.44scummossysop2: no reliable usability statistics exist
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10:28.00scummoss/usability/usage/
10:28.08scummosyou can get a rough picture from looking at the various polls
10:29.35sysop2I know in america for a long time gnome was  more numberous, but in the rest of the world KDE was more popular. but I am wondering if unity has taken a big chunk of gnome's base?
10:29.52sysop2scummos, thanks for the answer.
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10:33.35sysop2I mean I think KDE will always be around for the people that want to have multiple monitors and a nice UI.  but with ubuntu switching to unity I think gnome's base is going to erode.
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10:34.28sysop2although not a big fan of suse at least its an enterprise linux that uses KDE by default.
10:35.06sysop2scummos, btw you have a link to the polls? if not I will google around for it.
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10:35.15scummosgnome's userbase definitely was split a lot among the various forks and unity
10:35.24scummosthere's no offical polls, you have to google and look in forums
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10:36.21sysop2thanks. keep up the good work guys. the world needs KDE.
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10:40.20Sho_sysop2: thanks!
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11:07.28gsedej_workhi! In Dolphin, network mount (ssh/smb) and then open .odt file with LibreOffice, change and save... it will not save until I close (all) LibreOffice, right?
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11:21.52scummosgsedej_work: huh? why would it?
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11:24.43gsedej_workIIRC kia works good for kde apps like Kate, but not for LibreOffice
11:25.06gsedej_workI have to quit LibreOffice te be able to save my file to remote server
11:25.20gsedej_work(pop-up window asks me if i wish to save)
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11:27.11BluesKaj"Morning
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11:33.47scummosdo you mean kio? kio only works with kde apps ...
11:35.42gsedej_workI mount sshfs in Dolphin, navigate to my document.odt, open it (with LibreOffice), made some changes and click on "save" in LibreOffice
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11:36.04gsedej_workit will not save to my server immediately
11:36.08gsedej_workright?
11:36.17jay809I have been working with Qt Platform from quite some time. So I wish to contribute to some good Qt based project. Can I know a simple yet interesting project to contribute to either from KDE or any other, for GSOC 2014.
11:36.34scummosgsedej_work: why would it not do that? note that I'm not an expert on how that works internally
11:36.43scummoshow do you even mount sshfs in dolphin
11:37.01scummosjay809: pick one you like
11:37.45gsedej_worksshfs/sftp/fish, same thing
11:38.17gsedej_workif you never mounted remote folder in KDE, you don't know what I am talking about...
11:38.50scummosit's not the same thing
11:39.19scummossshfs uses the kernel infrastructure for file systems to provide filesystem API to a ssh server to all userspace applications
11:39.38scummosthe fish:/ kio is a KDE thing which provides filesystem API to KDE apps using the fish:/ KIO
11:40.04scummosonly the former can be called "mount"
11:42.30scummosconsequently, there's also different strategies for saving files
11:42.57gsedej_workI put this to Dolphine sftp://my.server/path/to/file/, it opens the directory where document.odt is located. I click on it and LibreOffice opens. Right?
11:43.23scummosif that works, then it's probably right
11:43.36gsedej_workI change the file in LO and click "save" in LO
11:44.06scummosit's possible it only overwrites a temporary file which KIO created when opening the file in LO, because LO probably does not support KIO
11:44.28scummosbut as said I'm not sure how that works internally when the application opening the file doesn't support KIO
11:44.49scummosbut you can look up where LO actually saves its changes to
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11:45.11gsedej_workok... so it's impossible in Dolphin to edit the file directly without making temporary file?
11:45.24scummosinternally kio always makes a temporary file
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11:45.38gsedej_workI am "new" from Gnome/Ubuntu
11:45.53scummoswhich should get copied back if the client application supports kio
11:46.01scummosno idea how/if that works for LO
11:46.02Incertushi
11:46.07Incertuscan anyone help me with this? https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=224&t=120157
11:46.09scummosin any case it has nothing to do with dolphin most likely
11:46.46gsedej_workI could simply open nautilus, mount over sftp, open LO, do the changes, save and it would be on server immediately
11:47.12gsedej_worknow I have to close all LO windows to be able to save
11:48.05gsedej_work(including other opened documents)
11:48.06Ardonikgsedej_work: You'd probably be happier with a FUSE mount of that sftp location.
11:48.30ArdonikThat's transparent to all applications by definition (or at least should be), since all they see is a mount point.
11:48.48gsedej_workhow to do FUSE mount in KDE?
11:48.59scummosah yes, it's possible that's what KIO does: copy to a temp file, launch editor, and copy the temp file back when the editor exits
11:49.12scummosthat would explain the behaviour
11:49.25Ardonikgsedej_work: It is independent of KDE--you'll probably be instigating the mount from the terminal.
11:50.42gsedej_workok, so there is not KDE way of doing this, like it's possible in Gnome/Nautilus
11:51.06ArdonikI didn't say that, but if you want transparency, FUSE will make you happier.
11:51.17ArdonikIt'll work on everything.
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11:51.45scummosthere's a KDE way on doing this but it requires the client app to support it
11:51.51scummosif you used calligra it would work like you described
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11:52.28scummosif you need virtual file systems which work in non-kde apps, you can't use kio, right
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13:01.54Szpadelhow I can view saved ftp share password?
13:02.19Sho_Szpadel: kwalletmanager
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13:05.49fraxinasor yesterday it was
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13:12.48daimonionfraxinas: Check if there are any leftover .desktop files in ~/.kde/share/kde4/services/ServiceMenus
13:13.13moviuroCan I get the UP/DOWN usage of bandwidth for each program in ksysguard? It's the only thing I miss.
13:13.47fraxinasdaimonion: i don't even have a ServiceMenus dir in there (it's kde4)
13:15.06daimonionYou are on Arch Linux?
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13:26.01daimonionWhat's the output of pacman -Qo /usr/share/kde4/services/ServiceMenus/* ?
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15:25.43alex285are those the images with kf5 in 14.04 ? http://files.kde.org/snapshots/
15:26.41alex285i had installed an old one, and it seems to be 13.10 and KDE Frameworks 4.97
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17:03.38cornfeedhobohello
17:04.08cornfeedhoboi see that KVirc used to be a KDE project, but has since broken off... does anyone know if it can still make use of the kwallet subsystem??
17:04.44cornfeedhoboor if not, are there any clients that do that are of the same caliber?
17:06.01roberth1990cornfeedhobo: check out konversation
17:06.12cornfeedhobook
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17:41.31moviuroIn kopete chat window, there is smooth scrolling: why not everywhere else in KDE?
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18:26.00cornfeedhoboroberth1990: this aint too bad
18:26.03cornfeedhobothanks
18:26.17cornfeedhoboi like the url catcher
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18:29.36roberth1990cornfeedhobo: np, been using it as long as I have been using kde
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18:31.06cornfeedhobohow can i get rid of the part spam?
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18:32.09cornfeedhoboin kvirc you could split the screne in half so you still saw them but they were out of the way
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18:34.22scummospart spam?
18:34.33scummosah, join/part
18:34.37scummosyou can turn them off
18:34.49cornfeedhobotest
18:34.54cornfeedhobohmm
18:35.07scummosin behaviour -> chat window
18:35.16cornfeedhoboyeah i just did that
18:35.18cornfeedhobooh well
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18:35.30cornfeedhobosometimes in some channels its useful
18:35.42cornfeedhoboi liked the split window approach
18:35.48cornfeedhobobut its not the end of the world
18:37.37scummoswell there's this except checkbox which is really good I think
18:38.53cornfeedhoboyeah, just saw that. Its not a big deal, but the split screen is the real only way.... like in #bitcoin-otc, there is a lot of parting/joining, so normally you arent looking at it, but then if a scammer is playing around, its handy to watch for a second
18:39.26cornfeedhobothe split screen hits that sweet spot of being around and handy, but out of the way
18:44.48scummosyou can always submit patches to konversation if you really want ;)
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18:45.40scummosalready implemented his pet feature in konversation
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19:01.45Donald_ET3Are there any significant differences between Kubuntu and Fedora KDE?
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19:03.25moviuroDonald_ET3: you might also want to ask for each distribution which kind of patches they apply to KDE
19:03.37moviuro(on their respective channels)
19:04.11Donald_ET3Last time I asked Fedora, they just pointed me to Distrowatch.com
19:04.41Donald_ET3I suppose I can try Kubuntu. I have not asked them yet.
19:04.45cornfeedhoboscummos: yeah.. if it mattered enough i would
19:04.55cornfeedhoboalready have way too many projects
19:05.54rdieterDonald_ET3: it's a hard question to answer, it would require intimate knowledge of both distros to be able to describe the differences.
19:06.45Donald_ET3Okay, thank you for your advice!
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21:38.31chris_hdHi, I got a bit anoyed by cmake, I have to add stuff to target_link_libraries() all the time for stuff that I do not use directly
21:38.53chris_hdis there a chance to get this done automaticaly?
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21:45.49moviuroIn kopete chat window, there is smooth scrolling: why not everywhere else in KDE?
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21:47.59Lyrekmoviuro: you should find options for it in most things
21:48.09Lyrekif not in one of the system settings
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21:50.52moviuroLyrek: I'd love to know where ;)
21:51.26moviuro(I often ran through systemsettings at least a dozen times but never found anything like this)
21:51.41moviuro-often
21:53.06Lyrekmoviuro: I am new to KDE so I couldn't tell you
21:53.16Lyrekbut there should be something somewhere I imagine
21:55.20scummoschris_hd: usually the find_foo stuff should put that into variables for you, no?
21:55.37moviuroLyrek: I, on the other hand, am pretty sure there isn't ;)
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21:56.53chris_hdscummos: they do not, how should they do it?
21:57.16scummosI would expect all the "dependencies" to be in ${FOO_LIBRARIES}
21:57.21chris_hdsimply use set(..._LIBRARIES <long liste here>)?
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22:16.33Aluminis it possible to have KDE run a command (e.g. a shell script) when the screensaver comes on?  How about when it turns back off?
22:19.16AddleAlumin: Should be able to hook into dbus and do that.
22:19.23jalcineAlumin: check the Notifications; it has an option to run a shell script
22:19.28jalcineScreen locker
22:19.38Addlejalcine: haha Or even easier. :)
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22:20.03Aluminhow do I access the screensav...oh, in the settings
22:20.06jalcineyerp :)
22:20.08jalcineit's what I do
22:20.12Aluminthanks, I'll check that out
22:20.18jalcineI got a script that mutes the laptop on screen locker
22:20.21jalcinevery hand
22:20.22jalcine*handy
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22:21.43Aluminooh there's an event for "screen unlock failed"
22:22.19scummoschris_hd: I think yes
22:22.28Aluminam I the only one who thinks that's a prime use case for festival?  :P
22:22.37scummoschris_hd: but look it up if you want ;)
22:23.11AddleAlumin: It could yell "HELP, HELP!" really loudly when the unlock fails. lol
22:23.39jalcineAlumin: I have it say goodbye when it shut downs
22:23.50AddleEverybody's going to be all "OMG, Steven Hawking is in trouble!"
22:23.53AluminAddle: that is _much_ more forgiving than what I had in mind
22:24.11AddleAlumin: haha
22:29.30chris_hdscummos: tried to look up but could not find anything about this. For now I will use your answer :)
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22:31.03Chrys0pras3Hi, ran into some trouble when running k3b for the first time.
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22:32.52Chrys0pras3It seems cdrecord didn't have permissions to open the cd, the log shows it burned the tracks, but then it said gave the error "reloading of medium required"
22:33.14Chrys0pras3The cd now isn't blank and can't be played on vlc, can I fix it?
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22:42.49Chrys0pras3after reading this it seems I now have a coaster: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=153&t=108537
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22:52.33hdevalenceis it possible to create keyboard shortcuts for "snap to left of screen 1", .... "snap to right of screen 2"?
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22:56.05moviurohdevalence: it should be among Global shortcuts in systemsettings
22:56.31Jucatonot for specific screens though
22:56.49moviuroso I take it you're using 2 shortcuts ATM
22:57.02hdevalenceno, at the moment I'm using no shortcuts
22:57.10hdevalenceI use alt+mouse
22:57.15moviurolike 'put to screen X', 'quick tile to Y edge'
22:57.18rdieterChrys0pras3: did you try reloading the medium (ie, eject, reload)?
22:57.24hdevalenceoh, that would work
22:57.34hdevalencemoviuro: I think that would be 90% of the way there
22:57.37hdevalencethanks!
22:57.38moviurohdevalence: yeah, less comfortable but should be nice and quick enough
22:58.11Jucatoyou can also use xdotool to script those two shortcuts into one
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22:58.17moviuro(if you look into the dbus calls, you might be able to do anything I think)
22:58.22Jucatobut you'll be ending up using up 3 shortcuts
22:58.39Jucatopresuming those are exposed through dbus
22:58.44moviuroor qdbus or whatever KDE uses ^_^
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22:59.03moviurothey are KWin shortcuts, if that helps
22:59.17Chrys0pras3rdieter: it auto ejected after the error
22:59.43rdieterok
23:00.15Chrys0pras3for now i'm just creating the tracks in k3b and burning with xfburn
23:00.47Chrys0pras3possible i'll lose some cd-text data but i can live with that
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23:24.26truehello all, quick question. gentoo, 4.12.3, new installation. very often when a kde event sounds, it maxes both event volume and soundcard volume. any idea why?
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23:29.38richardlmtrue: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324975
23:29.58truerichardlm: ah, missed that one, reading now. thanks
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