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| 00:11.24 | Taoki | Hello. I edited an event in Korganizer, and when I saved it it mysteriously disappeared instead. How do I find it? |
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| 08:48.14 | scorpius | how can I avoid installing nepomuk-core? |
| 08:48.30 | scorpius | why does for example konversation (this IRC client) need nepomuk-core? |
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| 09:24.02 | lordievader | Good morning. |
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| 11:24.32 | daimonion | Is it possible for qt5 applications to use KDE open/save file dialogs? |
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| 11:27.29 | kfunk | daimonion: yes. but I think you need to build/install frameworks/frameworkintegration |
| 11:27.48 | kfunk | daimonion: no pre-made packages for that yet, I fear |
| 11:28.03 | daimonion | Wait, this is KDE 4.12 you talking about, right? |
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| 11:28.33 | kfunk | daimonion: no, that's KF5 |
| 11:29.14 | daimonion | I meant on KDE 4. There is no way for qt5 apps to use KDE4 file dialogs? |
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| 11:29.33 | kfunk | i don't think so |
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| 12:25.59 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
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| 13:04.39 | c0nd0rr | is there a way to prevent kde power management from dimming the screen while playing flash videos? |
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| 13:05.42 | c0nd0rr | with flash player i mean |
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| 13:07.35 | rdieter | c0nd0rr: (temporarily) disable powermanagement (either manually, or create a custom kde activity). flash simply doesnt support the api to disable screensaver unfortunately. most other media players do |
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| 13:08.51 | c0nd0rr | rdieter, i have been doing it manually thus far, how do i 'create a custom kde activity'? |
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| 13:09.48 | fairc | can I use wildcards in kwallet URL ? |
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| 13:11.12 | rdieter | c0nd0rr: kde activities can have different powermanagement settings |
| 13:11.16 | fairc | ie for BKO, I have already two entries (https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi#login and https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi) and on some pages it still doesnt fill in my creds |
| 13:13.00 | rdieter | c0nd0rr: see systemsettings->powermanagement->activity settings |
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| 13:24.40 | c0nd0rr | rdieter, thanks :) |
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| 13:44.32 | scorpius | how can I avoid installing nepomuk-core? |
| 13:44.35 | scorpius | why does for example konversation (this IRC client) need nepomuk-core? |
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| 13:49.38 | roney | scorpius, you can't |
| 13:49.50 | roney | it will depend on your distro, however |
| 13:50.09 | roney | it seems that arch has a nepomuk-face package to avoid this |
| 13:50.21 | roney | nepomuk-fake* |
| 13:51.00 | roney | buy have faith! KDE Frameworks 5 will solve all those problems |
| 13:51.03 | roney | but* |
| 13:54.26 | BluesKaj | nepomuk can be removed in opensuse without taking the desktop with it, unlike kubuntu |
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| 13:59.23 | scorpius | yes distro is opensuse |
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| 14:07.11 | hajune | ping |
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| 14:21.55 | BluesKaj | can anyone suggest a plasma widget wifi signal strength meter that actually works, so far either the icon doesn't appear in the panel or the meter doesn't pick up the essid |
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| 15:06.06 | trakinas | hi all! is it possible to split a wallpaper accross my virtual desktops?? |
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| 15:11.35 | mouuu11 | I don't know if there is a faster way but you can cut your wallpaper with gimp and make any desktop its own |
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| 15:14.49 | moviuro | trakinas: however, it is a great question and I think it should be reported on forums/bugtracker |
| 15:15.09 | opensuse10 | Hello, I need help with policy kit on KDE, anyone? |
| 15:15.25 | lordievader | Good afternoon. |
| 15:15.38 | opensuse10 | GA, lord |
| 15:15.46 | moviuro | opensuse10: ask your question, don't ask to ask |
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| 15:15.56 | mocean | Hello, is there a KDE console application that functions like Terminator? |
| 15:15.58 | lordievader | Hey opensuse10, how are you doing? |
| 15:16.05 | moviuro | mocean: yes |
| 15:16.14 | mocean | what's it called? |
| 15:16.20 | opensuse10 | Hey lord, looking for help with KDE applications. |
| 15:16.21 | moviuro | mocean: split views + tabs |
| 15:16.44 | opensuse10 | Having authentication problems. |
| 15:16.47 | mocean | oh okay :/ |
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| 15:17.16 | moviuro | mocean: however, they are not as nice as terminator. I would use tmux if I were you |
| 15:17.27 | opensuse10 | trying to decide whether to scrap KDE and go with gnome. |
| 15:17.44 | moviuro | (on the plus side, if X/KDE crashes, what's inside the tmux will not be lost) |
| 15:18.04 | moviuro | opensuse10: stop complaining and explain your problem |
| 15:18.18 | mocean | I see what you mean, I can split the view but I cannot assign a group name like temrinator |
| 15:18.35 | moviuro | mocean: tmux ftw, then ;) |
| 15:18.38 | mocean | or send a command to an entire group |
| 15:19.20 | moviuro | uses tmux to administrate his servers and always have an open shell for each machine |
| 15:19.29 | opensuse10 | Ok, sorry, I have a few problems. One, I keep getting a pop-up window that says "Autherization failed |
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| 15:19.37 | mocean | which do you prefer moviuro, tmux or terminator? |
| 15:19.46 | opensuse10 | Failed to obtain authentication. |
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| 15:20.01 | opensuse10 | It pops up every few minutes or so |
| 15:20.16 | moviuro | mocean: terminator is slow, and tmux runs on cient side (eg you can open tmux on a distant machine) |
| 15:20.17 | opensuse10 | I have no idea what it is referring to; anyone know/ |
| 15:20.38 | lordievader | opensuse10: Could you post a screenshot of the error? |
| 15:20.41 | moviuro | opensuse10: in ksysguard, you should have the name/PID of the process, given its window title |
| 15:20.43 | mocean | slow it what way? I have been using it to ssh into many different servers |
| 15:20.59 | moviuro | mocean: slow to launch ;) |
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| 15:21.18 | mocean | lol |
| 15:21.21 | opensuse10 | I don't know how to post a screen shot with KDE. |
| 15:21.40 | moviuro | opensuse10: the snapshot application is ksnapshot |
| 15:21.41 | mocean | opensuse10, press the print screen key ;) |
| 15:21.44 | opensuse10 | I will look in ksysguard |
| 15:22.00 | moviuro | mocean: using konsole: $ tmux |
| 15:22.03 | opensuse10 | Ok, where does it put the screenshot? |
| 15:22.11 | moviuro | opensuse10: wstaw.org |
| 15:22.15 | moviuro | IIRC |
| 15:22.29 | moviuro | opensuse10: you have to save it locally first |
| 15:22.34 | moviuro | before you upload it |
| 15:22.35 | mocean | opensuse10, troubleshoot! |
| 15:22.43 | mocean | There are questions and there are lazy questions |
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| 15:23.36 | moviuro | mocean: you then get a tmux with one open tab and one view in the tab. If you Ctrl-B + " or Ctrl + %, it will split the view |
| 15:23.51 | moviuro | (always start with C-B) |
| 15:23.54 | opensuse10 | If the lazy refference it to me, I'm sorry, I'm not at all lazy, I just don't know all of the commands and apps like you guys, if that's too much of a problem I'll be glad to leave now! |
| 15:24.07 | moviuro | mocean: you then get terminator like behavior in the konsole |
| 15:24.52 | moviuro | opensuse10: 1) try to find the process that produces this window (also, you might want to ask on openSUSE's channel as well) |
| 15:25.12 | moviuro | opensuse10: to this end, you can use ksysguard that links a window name and a process |
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| 15:25.53 | moviuro | mocean: then, read the manual. I think it's the way to go. A good thing too is that you can detach a tmux and connect to it later |
| 15:26.11 | mocean | like a screen session? |
| 15:26.18 | lordievader | Luckily you can remap tmux's Ctrl+B to Screen's Ctrl+A :) |
| 15:26.24 | moviuro | mocean: tmux >> screen, yes ;) |
| 15:26.57 | moviuro | had difficulties learning the shortcuts: no way he's changing them x) |
| 15:27.24 | lordievader | I came from screen, I didn't want to learn new ones... |
| 15:27.53 | mocean | screen is a lifesaver |
| 15:28.34 | opensuse10 | Ok, I took a snapshot and save it as error1. where do I post it? |
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| 15:29.28 | opensuse10 | trying ksysguard now...... |
| 15:29.34 | moviuro | opensuse10: http://wstaw.org/ |
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| 15:29.52 | moviuro | opensuse10: there is a column 'Window name' or similar |
| 15:30.03 | moviuro | find the associated process's name |
| 15:30.04 | opensuse10 | yeah, I just opened it. |
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| 15:31.37 | opensuse10 | I don't see it listed on the table. This error comes up via Notifications. |
| 15:32.52 | lordievader | opensuse10: After you've uploaded it to wstaw could you paste the link here? |
| 15:34.26 | opensuse10 | yes. |
| 15:34.53 | moviuro | surely polkit(d) asking for updates |
| 15:35.12 | opensuse10 | What language is this? |
| 15:35.37 | moviuro | opensuse10: $ pgrep polkit |
| 15:35.46 | opensuse10 | http://wstaw.org/h/7eb301ec58f/ |
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| 15:36.08 | moviuro | I remember having issues with the default install in openSUSE and having to uninstall anything interferring with zypper's package management |
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| 15:36.51 | opensuse10 | The little bit of time I've had to research this points to a polkit problem. |
| 15:36.54 | lordievader | Hmm, might indeed be some autoupdater. |
| 15:37.49 | opensuse10 | This makes sense because I have another issue with authentication that comes up when I try to open an install that asks for a password but gives no place to input one. |
| 15:38.09 | moviuro | opensuse10: just uninstall package manager from KDE |
| 15:38.10 | opensuse10 | Who here is the master of the policy kit? |
| 15:38.16 | moviuro | I don't remember its name though |
| 15:38.32 | moviuro | opensuse10: it is packagekit IIRC |
| 15:38.38 | moviuro | remove it |
| 15:38.41 | opensuse10 | Tried package manager, no help. |
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| 15:38.51 | moviuro | using YaST of course |
| 15:39.14 | moviuro | oh, really?... then I can't help anymore, sorry, this should have been enpugh |
| 15:39.23 | moviuro | perhaps logout/login if you haven't yet? |
| 15:39.28 | opensuse10 | YaST gives the authentication error and asks for a password that doesn't even exist. |
| 15:39.48 | moviuro | you should definitly ask #suse |
| 15:40.08 | opensuse10 | Tried #suse, no masters of polkit there either. |
| 15:40.37 | opensuse10 | Thanks anyway moviuro. |
| 15:40.42 | moviuro | yw opensuse10 |
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| 15:44.42 | opensuse10 | moviuro, looking back over your commands, you entered $, what is that character? |
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| 15:45.36 | trakinas | mouuu11, it is an idea. moviuro, I never bothered with this kind of eye candy, and couldn't find any thing close to that on the desktop configuration - but that could be somewhere else. Nonetheless, you don't need to be sarcastic just because I haven't made a question involving recompiling kwin. Or if you prefer, I can ask you if my question is important enough to be asked before doing so. |
| 15:46.13 | opensuse10 | $? anyone? |
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| 15:46.31 | moviuro | opensuse10: just to tell it's a command prompt, run as user |
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| 15:46.42 | trakinas | lunch time. take care, fellas. |
| 15:46.45 | moviuro | trakinas: I don't get it |
| 15:47.01 | trakinas | moviuro: nevermind. |
| 15:47.41 | opensuse10 | Do I have to be su to use $? |
| 15:49.08 | moviuro | opensuse10: exact opposite |
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| 15:49.20 | moviuro | $ -> user ; # -> root |
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| 15:49.50 | opensuse10 | hmm, all I get is an error when trying that command. |
| 15:49.54 | moviuro | look at your prompt when you type: it starts with either % or $ |
| 15:50.04 | moviuro | if you are root, you'll get a # |
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| 15:50.36 | opensuse10 | charles@linux-m09j:/etc> |
| 15:50.57 | opensuse10 | I get the above user info. |
| 15:51.10 | moviuro | ah, yes, well, you have > instead of the usual $ or % |
| 15:51.23 | opensuse10 | What does > mean? |
| 15:51.30 | moviuro | $ or # should not be typed into the terminal |
| 15:51.38 | moviuro | opensuse10: nothing special |
| 15:51.44 | moviuro | opensuse10: you're just a user |
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| 15:52.09 | opensuse10 | Ok, so I just type the command; pgrep polkit? |
| 15:52.13 | moviuro | you'll get root@linux-m09j:~# if you become superuser though |
| 15:52.20 | moviuro | yep |
| 15:52.33 | opensuse10 | ok, thanks, sorry for being such a novice. |
| 15:52.38 | moviuro | but I can't help you further with your problem, you should ask #suse |
| 15:52.53 | moviuro | opensuse10: openSUSE is a good choice for a novice ;) |
| 15:53.03 | opensuse10 | Ok, I'll switch over now, thanks for being so helpful. |
| 15:53.35 | moviuro | opensuse10: and read a bit about CLI basics |
| 15:53.38 | moviuro | ;) |
| 15:53.49 | opensuse10 | charles@linux-m09j:/etc> pgrep polkit |
| 15:53.50 | opensuse10 | 2533 |
| 15:53.52 | opensuse10 | 3938 |
| 15:54.07 | opensuse10 | By the way, what does this output mean? |
| 15:54.51 | moviuro | opensuse10: man pgrep |
| 15:55.08 | moviuro | (man is the manual, and in cas, just to make sure: man man) |
| 15:55.19 | opensuse10 | Yes, command line input is the best way to communicate I agree but since KDE has a GUI interface, I thought I might as well use it. |
| 15:55.47 | moviuro | ksysguard > write 'polkit' in the filter |
| 15:56.02 | moviuro | or packagekit, I don't remember which one must take the blame |
| 15:56.07 | opensuse10 | It seems that the commands I need to fix my authentication problems are buried deeper than my knowledge of CLI for linux. |
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| 16:02.19 | mocean | I think I prefer terminator to tmux, but that could be just out of familiarity |
| 16:03.39 | mocean | I don't see a way to broadcast commands to all terminals like terminator does |
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| 16:07.55 | transylvania | Hi all, I'am runnin kde 4.11.5 - debian sid. kscreen keeps forgive my dual screen configuration: only one monitor is activated at boot |
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| 16:14.59 | rindolf | transylvania: hi. |
| 16:15.08 | rindolf | transylvania: by "forgive" do you mean "forgetting"? |
| 16:15.55 | moviuro | MoDaX: https://gist.github.com/deshawnbw/2773454 |
| 16:16.32 | moviuro | sorry, wrong HL... my bad |
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| 16:27.08 | transylvania | oh yes sorry |
| 16:27.25 | transylvania | yes I'am loosing my configuration on each restart |
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| 16:29.42 | rindolf | transylvania: ah. |
| 16:30.18 | rindolf | transylvania: does it happen if you log out from the current user and log-in again? |
| 16:30.26 | rindolf | transylvania: does it *also* happen if you log out from the current user and log-in again? |
| 16:30.35 | transylvania | I try it now |
| 16:31.29 | transylvania | no it doesn't |
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| 16:40.31 | kdetester | Hi there, I'm just trying Quassel on Kubuntu 14.04 (daily-snapshot) right now :) |
| 16:40.43 | kdetester | does anybody know of a better QT4 scanner application than Skanlite? I'm looking for somthing that can scan & print, as well as save a scan as PDF |
| 16:41.53 | karthikp | kdetester: Can't say I know of any, but I can teach you how to scan from the command line, if you're so inclined... |
| 16:42.33 | karthikp | If you drop the Qt requirement, I think libreoffice has/had a scanning option a while back (I haven't used it in a while). |
| 16:44.12 | kdetester | thanks karthikp, but I'm more looking for a simple way, well, it doesn't have to be QT based, I think SimpleScan does the job, just wondering if Skanlite was the only QT option |
| 16:46.10 | karthikp | Just checked out simple scan. Both it and skanlite are just simple front ends to the same library, so they should function the same/similarly. |
| 16:46.32 | karthikp | Being non-qt, it just might look a bit out of place on a kde desktop. |
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| 16:52.14 | kdetester | well, so far the snapshot of Kubuntu 14.04 is looking damn good, I'm a longtime Ubuntu user but with the end of Gnome2 on my pretty old installation I think I'm now swapping to KDE, I'm just not sure if I should install now Kubuntu 14.04 (today's snapshot) or 13.10 (and then reinstall in one month when 14.04 is released), already tried OpenSUSE 13.1 but could not get it do render the fonts well |
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| 16:52.50 | transylvania | rindolf: tested and on log out/in, I do not loose my conf |
| 16:53.09 | rindolf | transylvania: ah. |
| 16:53.14 | genstorm | kdetester: why wouldn't you simply upgrade then? I thought among the top features of ubuntu was their upgrade path, or so |
| 16:54.34 | kdetester | genstorm: I've always been sceptical about the upgrade from one version to the next, so I never used their upgrade feature but just reinstalled |
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| 16:54.43 | genstorm | kdetester: but I guess there won't be any breakage so close before release so just stay with 14.04 |
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| 16:55.48 | kdetester | genstorm: yes, I'm tempted to stick with 14.04 already, I did not see any major issues so far |
| 17:02.42 | genstorm | I'm having a lot of fun here with 'runaway' launch feedback |
| 17:02.55 | genstorm | korganizer is bouncing up and down for >10 minutes now |
| 17:04.50 | genstorm | similar things are going on with 'kwallet management' and 'http cache cleaner' sometimes at startup |
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| 17:22.41 | moviuro | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/22/plasma-desktopN13980.png <- I get this very strange behavior when displaying the desktop grid: there shouldn't be any black borders (4x4 should tile nicely) |
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| 17:24.06 | karthikp | moviuro: It's a config option. The default border size seems to be 10 pixels. |
| 17:24.18 | rindolf | transylvania: you can try copying ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 to a safe place and comparing it. |
| 17:24.32 | rindolf | transylvania: after the reboot I mean - sorry it took me so long. |
| 17:24.47 | karthikp | moviuro: See http://i.imgur.com/rdvskjV.png |
| 17:24.55 | transylvania | rindolf: no problem for the delay |
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| 17:25.19 | rindolf | transylvania: :-) |
| 17:25.33 | transylvania | maybe I should try something |
| 17:25.36 | transylvania | log out |
| 17:25.39 | transylvania | restart xorg |
| 17:25.40 | moviuro | karthikp: thanks :) changed layout to automatic, solved the issue :D |
| 17:25.42 | transylvania | login |
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| 17:25.56 | moviuro | sooo much better now x) |
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| 17:26.46 | transylvania | ok |
| 17:27.04 | transylvania | when I restart X I'am loosing the config |
| 17:27.31 | karthikp | moviuro: Changing the layout should still respect the border width... |
| 17:28.10 | transylvania | rindolf: I think that the problem is that Xorg is starting in twin view mode by default |
| 17:28.11 | karthikp | I just reaalized you were referring to the outer border, not the space in between each desktop. |
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| 17:28.15 | moviuro | karthikp: did you not notice the HUGE unused space left/right/bottom on my screenshot? that was the issue |
| 17:28.23 | karthikp | moviuro: Yeah, just noticed that. |
| 17:28.35 | transylvania | kscreen don't manage to switch to 2 different screen |
| 17:28.51 | rindolf | transylvania: ah. |
| 17:29.29 | transylvania | when I just log out / in, kdm is on en extended screen |
| 17:29.42 | transylvania | when I restart Xorg I have a twin display |
| 17:29.51 | karthikp | I wonder if it's something to do with the conky/equivalent time display thing you've got going... |
| 17:30.10 | transylvania | I have to manually enable the second display |
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| 18:29.44 | opensuse10 | Please advise as to allowed topics for this chat. |
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| 18:30.16 | opensuse10 | opensuse 12.3 using KDE desktop |
| 18:30.27 | yecril71pl | Everything KDE is allowed, except for #kde-devel. |
| 18:30.37 | opensuse10 | Ok, thanks. |
| 18:31.27 | opensuse10 | I have installed a driver package for my wirless usb modem and don't see it in system activity, where can I see if it is loaded? |
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| 18:32.55 | yecril71pl | See #suse for this. |
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| 19:18.04 | opensuse10 | How do I look at the contents of file: blacklist.conf? Cat doesn't work. |
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| 19:20.52 | lordievader | opensuse10: Do you have permission to read it? (Alternatives are 'less', 'more', 'head' 'tail'.) |
| 19:21.08 | opensuse10 | As su? |
| 19:21.37 | lordievader | Ah never mind then. Very odd that you can not read it as root. |
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| 19:21.47 | opensuse10 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5921 Mar 4 2013 50-blacklist.conf |
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| 19:22.41 | lordievader | Hmm, you should even be able to read this as a normal user. |
| 19:22.50 | opensuse10 | righton. |
| 19:23.12 | opensuse10 | typed it three times to make sure spelliing is correct. |
| 19:23.29 | opensuse10 | Is there another viewing command? |
| 19:23.45 | lordievader | 22-20:20 < lordievader> opensuse10: Do you have permission to read it? (Alternatives are 'less', 'more', 'head' 'tail'.) |
| 19:24.12 | opensuse10 | didn't I already answer this? |
| 19:26.24 | opensuse10 | tried to cat every file in this directory and get the same result; no such file or directory. |
| 19:27.17 | lordievader | And then you ask for alternatives again, read the entire message, I give you 4 alternatives. |
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| 20:16.44 | torpet | hi, am using kde on arch. working fine, but in dolphin i cannot get deleting from a mass storage device work. any ideas? |
| 20:16.54 | torpet | i always get the message that the trash is full or something similar |
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| 20:23.22 | thiago | torpet: the trash might be full or might not be creatable |
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| 20:23.50 | thiago | what type of fs is that? |
| 20:24.29 | BluesKaj | torpet, set up the delete option in dolphin settings>configure dolphin>services. Think it ignores the 10% default size maximum in trash |
| 20:24.31 | moviuro | torpet: also, check that your user can touch/rm from within a CLI |
| 20:25.01 | torpet | thanks, within CLI it works fine |
| 20:26.04 | BluesKaj | torpet, be warned the delete option bypasses trash altogether so the delete is direct |
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| 20:36.53 | opensuse10 | Trying to use kppp on KDE desktop; get error message: you don't have sufficient permission to run /usr/sbin/pppd |
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| 20:37.19 | opensuse10 | Please make sure that kppp is owned by root and has the SUID bit set. |
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| 20:40.12 | opensuse10 | nevermind, it is working now. |
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| 21:12.50 | c0nd0rr | can you disable power management from command line? |
| 21:14.56 | c0nd0rr | e.g. on the battery monitor there is a tickbox "Enable Power Management" can that be changed via a console command |
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| 21:18.05 | moviuro | c0nd0rr: you can disable it gloablly of KDE if you go to systemsetting's relevant panel |
| 21:18.34 | moviuro | (I only use it to take care of turning the screen off as i press the power button) |
| 21:19.29 | c0nd0rr | moviuro, its specifically via the command line i want todo it, as i want to script it |
| 21:20.22 | karthikp | c0nd0rr: There is likely to be a qdbus command that turns it on or off. |
| 21:20.32 | moviuro | c0nd0rr: why use a script? can't you use KDE's buit-in capabilities? (I don't know the command for that, but should be feasable with qdbus) |
| 21:21.41 | karthikp | Try poking around in qbusviewer to find the setting. |
| 21:21.52 | karthikp | org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement sounds promising. |
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| 21:23.21 | c0nd0rr | thanks guys i'll have a look |
| 21:25.08 | moviuro | c0nd0rr: though, I'm not sure a script is needed ;) |
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| 21:26.11 | c0nd0rr | well basically i just want to stop the backlight dimming and the screen locking while im playing flash videos |
| 21:26.53 | karthikp | I can think of a silly hack to prevent backlight dimming. |
| 21:27.03 | scummos | I'm sure you can do that via dbus |
| 21:27.13 | scummos | did you look in qdbusviewer? |
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| 21:28.26 | c0nd0rr | scummos, im just installing it |
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| 21:31.41 | karthikp | c0nd0rr: Isn't qdbus and qdbusviewer all part of qt? |
| 21:31.48 | karthikp | You should already have it. |
| 21:32.17 | scummos | I thought so too but ok |
| 21:33.09 | karthikp | On arch, they've renamed the binaries as qdbus-qt4 and qbdusviewer-qt4 (to live alongside qt5) and now autocomplete doesn't work for these. |
| 21:33.30 | karthikp | Broken autocomplete makes me sad. |
| 21:33.46 | scummos | fix it |
| 21:34.24 | c0nd0rr | i use gentoo, very little is pulled in by default, you install what you need, and i didnt have that but do now |
| 21:34.36 | karthikp | It's precisely because I don't know how to fix it that I'm complaining. :) |
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| 21:48.46 | _zap_ | hi. i am using kde on a yoga 2 pro which has a resolution of 3200x1800. what is the recommended way to deal with such high dpi screens? |
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| 21:51.44 | karthikp | _zap_: You could match the dpi from X and scale the fonts, if necessary. |
| 21:52.26 | _zap_ | karthikp: you mean xrandr --set-dpi? |
| 21:53.21 | karthikp | Something like that. Although the command will probably be xset. |
| 21:53.39 | karthikp | Or you can use an xorg conf file. |
| 21:53.45 | karthikp | But yeah, that's the general idea. |
| 21:54.29 | _zap_ | karthikp: i did already quite some reading about high dpi in kde and it seems it is not easy to get satisfactory results |
| 21:54.56 | _zap_ | karthikp: i also have an external monitor with normal dpi and i need a way to switch between those |
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| 21:55.39 | karthikp | If dpi is all that needs to change, xrandr --dpi will do, but can you explain what would be satisfactory behavior at high dpi? |
| 21:56.13 | karthikp | I have a laptop from 2005 with a dpi of 131 and I use it just fine with the defaults. |
| 21:56.38 | _zap_ | karthikp: xrandr --dpi does not scale icons etc |
| 21:56.43 | karthikp | So, I imagine you need to go substantially beyond that for high dpi issues to manifest. |
| 21:57.05 | _zap_ | karthikp: and if i start micromanaging icon sizes etc. it is hard to switch to an appropriate setting for my external monitor |
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| 21:57.30 | _zap_ | karthikp: this laptop has 3200x1800 on a 13'' monitor |
| 21:58.30 | _zap_ | karthikp: thanks for your input |
| 21:58.33 | karthikp | _zap_: So, the short answer is that there's no simple switch you can turn on (at the moment) to handle a high dpi screen alongside a low dpi one... |
| 21:58.56 | _zap_ | karthikp: true, i already remarked that :) so i am looking for the least painful way |
| 21:59.08 | karthikp | But, I remember reading a couple of blogs by the kwin maintainer and I believe he refers to this as "reasonable dpi" in his blogs. |
| 21:59.14 | karthikp | So, ongoing work is ongoing. :) |
| 21:59.36 | _zap_ | karthikp: i also read various statements that work is on the way |
| 22:00.05 | _zap_ | karthikp: on the other hand i am sure there are ppl with such high dpi laptops running kde today |
| 22:00.16 | karthikp | Meanwhile, yeah, choose and set a dpi that's maybe halfway in between and set fonts to a readable size and stick with it, I guess. |
| 22:00.43 | karthikp | True. And more and more will join every day as they become more common. |
| 22:01.12 | _zap_ | yes, actually it is great that finally high dpi screens make it to the laptop sphere |
| 22:02.18 | _zap_ | is there a way to load different kde settings while kde is on? such as font size, icon size etc. |
| 22:04.13 | karthikp | I'm pretty sure there isn't when you change the font sizes, for example, the kcm specifically points out that the new font sizes will apply only to newly started applications. |
| 22:04.51 | _zap_ | i see |
| 22:05.16 | _zap_ | so i would need to log out and log in again when i switch to another screen |
| 22:05.56 | true_ | karthikp: ok |
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| 22:06.55 | karthikp | Or just re-launch an application. |
| 22:07.29 | _zap_ | karthikp: right |
| 22:07.59 | _zap_ | karthikp: is there a way to change these settings via a script? |
| 22:08.29 | _zap_ | karthikp: well there must be. so the question is rather how |
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| 22:09.20 | karthikp | All scripting needs are usually met by qdbus these days. |
| 22:09.26 | karthikp | The trick is finding what to change. |
| 22:09.52 | karthikp | In the olden days, there was dcop and things made sense. You could say, for instance, dcop amarok play or something like that. |
| 22:10.19 | karthikp | Now, with dbus, the commands are... weirder. qdbus org.kde.amarok /MainApplication Play or some such. |
| 22:10.44 | _zap_ | karthikp: hm thank you. i guess i need to dig deeper to see how this is done |
| 22:10.50 | karthikp | There is the qdbusviewer where you can browse these calls and test them out, though. That ought to help. |
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| 22:12.01 | _zap_ | thank you |
| 22:15.46 | karthikp | np |
| 22:16.04 | karthikp | Also, do remember that to execute dbus commands, you need to export DISPLAY. |
| 22:16.14 | karthikp | For when you need to do things remotely. |
| 22:17.00 | _zap_ | karthikp: good to know |
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| 22:18.34 | thiago | and remember that D-Bus does not operate over the network |
| 22:19.41 | thiago | as for font sizes, they are not related to D-Bus. Simply change the config file using kwriteconfig and restart the apps. |
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| 22:23.48 | _zap_ | thiago: thanks for the hint |
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| 22:24.44 | _zap_ | does the menu bar and desktop change when i modify icon and font sizes? and if not, how can a change be triggered without logging out and back in |
| 22:25.19 | karthikp | Hmm, killall plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop? |
| 22:25.58 | _zap_ | karthikp: ok, if that is robust |
| 22:27.28 | thiago | kquitapp |
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| 22:28.20 | karthikp | That's probably better than killall... |
| 22:28.30 | _zap_ | ok |
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| 23:00.30 | bwayne | google fu have failed me. looking for a keyboard shortcut to grow/shrink windows vertically/horizontally. the "pack resize" doesn't accomplish what I'd like. |
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| 23:36.33 | karthikp | bwayne: There are no default shortcuts for maximizing windows, but you can set a shortcut, if you like. |
| 23:37.04 | karthikp | Look in System Settings > Shortcuts and Gestures > Global Keyboard Shortcuts > Kwin. |
| 23:37.20 | bwayne | karthikp: those shortcuts exist, and I use them. The shortcuts I'm looking for aren't in there. |
| 23:37.33 | thiago | uses Alt+F6 for thta |
| 23:37.59 | bwayne | i'm checking out KWin scripting now. |
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