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00:42.59wingnut2626Hey my kde keeps showing me notifications that updates are available, but i cant for the life of me figure out how to update the packages.  Any help?
00:45.30LyrekYou see the update shield in taskbar?
00:45.40Lyrekclicky clicky on it
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00:47.44wingnut2626thats the thing the shield is not there
00:48.34LyrekDistro?
00:48.40wingnut2626debian
00:48.46DaZcan't you just use your package manager :v
00:48.56wingnut2626it was a command line distro, and i installed the desktop manually
00:48.59wingnut2626no.
00:49.09DaZwat.
00:49.15wingnut2626apt-get update/upgrade goes through, but there are still notifications for updates in kde
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00:50.14LyrekDon't know.
00:50.37wingnut2626ok.  im probably missing a utility 'kupdate' or some #hit
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00:50.44wingnut2626ill dig around
00:52.46wingnut2626oh i think i figured it out
00:53.08Lyrekdas is good
00:53.20wingnut2626yeah brb going to check into the theory
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00:56.11jackywhich packages is it asking to upgrade?
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04:30.56cjaewhoever made maximized windows be able to be moved to another screen without having to first minimize them  (rclick -> move)---thank you so much :-)
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06:34.44holden87anyone?
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06:37.54valorieholden87: for instance?
06:38.08valorieI mean, have you tried a site with such a cert?
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06:39.43holden87Yes. my online bank.
06:41.21holden87I had to change the settings for the bank to recognize konqueror as chrome, but i need my CA cert to access my profile
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06:42.39valorieholden87: probably lots of problems with certs today and for the next few days
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06:43.10valoriebecause the sysadmins are having to revoke and get new ones because of heartbleed
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08:21.01DarthDepaBut I can't found it!
08:22.20valorieDarthDepa: as I recall, it's been deprecated
08:22.26valorieno maintainer
08:22.29valorie:(
08:22.33DarthDepaOMG!
08:22.38DarthDepaSo I can't download it??
08:22.39valorieyou might find a deb
08:23.16valoriesearch on debian.org
08:26.21DarthDepaMight be contained in "kde-icons-mono, openclipart-png, openclipart-svg"?
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08:46.50K1HedayatiKonsole doesn't even offer Monaco as a possible font (it doesn't think it's a monospace font, but this is a known bug), https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7127212/bold-xft-fonts-in-xresources
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09:35.37JupeliusHey! How can I check/modify the way Konsole handles URLs?
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09:48.54JupeliusGot it!
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10:11.59moviuro_any KDE forum admins? I lost my credentials and need help to recover
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10:23.47kLeZ-hAcKhi all, I have a problem with konqueror not loading pages at all, can anyone help me?
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10:28.53ArdonikkLeZ-hAcK: See question #1 here: https://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc
10:29.02shalokshalomkLeZ-hAcK: konqueror is outdated
10:29.06ArdonikWe're waiting for you to ask your real question.
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10:29.38shalokshalomi recommend Qupzilla instead (qt5 ready, )
10:29.39Ardonikshalokshalom: If you say so.  Works fine loading modern pages for me, like any webkit-enabled browser.
10:29.56shalokshalomArdonik: Each Page ?
10:29.59FudusWhat error message are you getting?
10:30.01kLeZ-hAcKok, I'm sorry Ardonik, I'll pay more attentio
10:30.15Ardonikshalokshalom: Yeah.  Each page.  I use it for online banking, so it's good enough.
10:30.22kLeZ-hAcKI use konqueror 4.11.5
10:30.35ArdonikkLeZ-hAcK: It's okay.  Just ask your real question!
10:30.38kLeZ-hAcKI use webkit to render pages
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10:31.18kLeZ-hAcKbut I cannot load any page, or better, pages claim to be loaded but they are all blank pages
10:31.33kLeZ-hAcKI cannot figure out how to solve this question
10:32.00ArdonikkLeZ-hAcK: You're still being quite vague.  Precisely what happens when you enter http://google.com into your browser, for instance?
10:32.08ArdonikBe precise.
10:32.50kLeZ-hAcKit redirects the url to http://www.google.it/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=QHNGU8iWIeba8gee1oDYCw
10:33.00kLeZ-hAcKbut I still see a white page
10:33.31ArdonikA white page?  How could you get a successful redirection response and yet not receive a response?
10:34.03ArdonikWhat do you see when you view the source of the final rendered page?
10:34.18kLeZ-hAcKI don't know, but I thought it can be referred to webkit engine because I can load (ugly) pages with khtml
10:34.23ArdonikAlso, now's the time to tell us if there are any special network issues in your environment, like a proxy server.
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10:34.57moviuro_kLeZ-hAcK: does it work in an other navigator?
10:35.05moviuro_(browser)
10:35.18kLeZ-hAcKYep, I can use firefox without any problem
10:35.33kLeZ-hAcKrekonq, if it can be useful has the same issue
10:36.19moviuro_kLeZ-hAcK: any weird settings in systemsettings > network settings ?
10:36.25ArdonikkLeZ-hAcK: (A) Do you have a proxy server or any other thing specific to your local network which affects web browsing?  (B) What do you see when you view the source of the so-called blank pages?
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10:37.37kLeZ-hAcK(A): No, I navigate in open internet, I'm at home; (B): I see the page source, that I think it's completely downloaded
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10:38.20kLeZ-hAcK@moviuro_: no I don't have any weird settings
10:38.32ArdonikWe're obviously not going to be able to reproduce your problem--konqueror works for all of us.  So there's something in your environment which is different that you have not told us yet.
10:39.14ArdonikLet's try a different angle: when did konqueror work last, and what changed since it worked?
10:39.49kLeZ-hAcKKonqueror never worked for my actual distro configuration
10:40.14ArdonikYet Firefox did, right out of the box, without you having done anything to it?
10:40.28kLeZ-hAcKYes
10:40.33ArdonikAre you SURE konqueror really downloaded the page source?
10:40.45ArdonikCause it sure sounds like konqueror is seeing a different HTTP proxy than Firefox is.
10:40.55FudusIf rekonq doesn't display either, sounds like webkit is missing? He mentioned that Konq worked in KHTML mode
10:41.19ArdonikMayhap.  But then wouldn't there be an error message?
10:41.23kLeZ-hAcK@Fudus: yes, in khtml mode I can render pages
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10:42.35moviuro_He wouldn't be able to install rekonq without webkit, and not able to select webkit rendering in Konqueror if it wasn't installed
10:42.42FudusIs kwebkitpart installed? (it is only a recommends)
10:42.59FudusSo if he installed it without recommends it won't come in
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10:43.26ArdonikI think there are aspects of kLeZ-hAcK's story which are missing.  I'm not familiar with this behavior he insinuates to be occurring.
10:43.27kLeZ-hAcK@Fudus: how can I check if kwebkitpart is installed?
10:44.21Fudusrpm -qi kwebkitpart
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10:45.30kLeZ-hAcK@Fudus: you're right, I need to check packages, but I use gentoo, so "eix kwebkit"
10:45.42kLeZ-hAcK@Fudus: ... and yes, it's installed
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10:48.28ArdonikkLeZ-hAcK: Since you're on Gentoo, did you do anything "special" to install Konqueror particularly?
10:48.47ArdonikIs there a standard way to install it correctly, with all dependencies?  I know nothing of Gentoo.
10:49.10ArdonikYou have to look for the one thing you did to your system that no one else did to theirs.  I am grasping at straws here.
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10:50.26kLeZ-hAcKNo @Ardonik I installed it with default use flags (read it as: default distro configuration)
10:50.54kLeZ-hAcKyes there is a standard way to do that, I used it
10:50.56ArdonikThen I have nothing else to suggest.  I can't help until I know more about what you did differently.
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10:51.36Fudushttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330279 apparently known bug on gentoo?
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10:52.53ArdonikFudus: The bug doesn't really give us much more information, either!  In particular, no one's confirmed it yet.
10:54.03kLeZ-hAcKSeems that this bug cannot be my bug, if fact it points out on khtml
10:54.17Ardonikshrugs
10:54.48kLeZ-hAcKCould you tell me how to collect informations for you about this problem?
10:55.25ArdonikNot really.  I am not at your computer and I can't see what makes it different.
10:55.34kLeZ-hAcKIf it can help, I had that problem even on openSuSE
10:55.37ArdonikYou're the one who's going to have to find that out, I'm afraid.
10:56.05ArdonikI am not having that problem on Mageia.  I don't think it's a distro issue; the distro packages test their packages before pushing them out.
10:56.19ArdonikDistro *packagers*, sorry.
10:57.08kLeZ-hAcKok but, what I have to find out? I mean, there are log files, conf files or other things I can check to figure out what's happening?
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10:59.07ArdonikI don't know what sorts of log files konqueror has.
11:00.13ArdonikYou could (and keep in mind that this is drastic) log out, back up your ~/.kde4 directory tree by moving it out, then log back into KDE4 to get a "fresh" Konqueror, but!
11:00.28ArdonikYou claimed it never worked, even when "fresh".  That is not normal.
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11:01.16ArdonikJust stick with KHTML until you can figure this one out, I guess.
11:01.51kLeZ-hAcKso I don't have any way to figure out why it is happening
11:01.53kLeZ-hAcK?
11:02.02ArdonikYou do, but Ardonik on IRC can't suggest it.
11:02.15ArdonikHe's out of ideas.
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11:03.35JupeliusIt seems I didn't solve my problem after all. Anyone has any idea what this "Transferring" window is when I open URLs from Konsole?
11:03.51kLeZ-hAcKOk, I tried to activate debug information with kdebugdialog, if I can catch some debug logs that make sense I will post you, thanks anyway
11:04.09ArdonikSure thing.  Sorry I couldn't be of further assistance.
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11:08.05kLeZ-hAcKguys, do this log make any sense for you? konqueror(17991) KDEPrivate::blockRequest: *** REQUEST BLOCKED: URL  QUrl( "http://www.google.it/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=QXtGU6yXOM_a8geuwoD4CQ" )  RULE "*"
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11:10.53kLeZ-hAcKI find out what that mean, AdBlock filters used to block all the pages... but why it is not working as expected?
11:10.55ArdonikkLeZ-hAcK: Maybe.  Visit Tolls -> Adblock -> Configure filters.  Do you have an agressive filter there?
11:11.19Ardoniks/Tolls/Tools/
11:11.21kLeZ-hAcKI only use "Corset" filter set
11:11.25ArdonikRemove it.
11:11.58kLeZ-hAcKRemoving the adblock support, makes both konqueror and rekonq work as expected
11:12.08Ardoniksighs in relief.
11:12.23ArdonikIt was your adblock filters the whole time.  I should have asked about those.
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11:12.33ArdonikAh well; lesson learned!
11:12.43Ardonikkdepepo: You have GOT to fix your connection.
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11:13.33ArdonikkLeZ-hAcK: I guess I would expected there to be an icon or some indication that the whole page was blocked.  But clearly, since you didn't notice, there was no obvious indicator.
11:13.46ArdonikThat's not a good thing.
11:13.53ArdonikBut what's up with that "Corset" filterset?
11:15.06kLeZ-hAcKYeah you can tell that, I really don't know, now I'm trying different filtersets, seems that EasyList is working for the websites I use to visit, but it is a weird issue
11:15.47kLeZ-hAcKNothing has noticed that the page was blocked, unless the too generic debug log I posted previously
11:16.36ArdonikEasyList is what I use for Firefox, too.
11:17.13kLeZ-hAcKYep, seems to work as good as one would expect
11:17.49kLeZ-hAcKMaybe I can file a feature request on a block notification for adblock part?
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11:17.57ArdonikI guess we could have found the problem straight away by running konqueror from the terminal or checking ~/.xsession-errors.
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11:18.41ArdonikkLeZ-hAcK: That sounds very reasonable to me, and you have a reproduction recipe too (using the Corset filterset.)
11:19.03kLeZ-hAcKOh well, I read that log because running it from the terminal, and activated kdebugdialog
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11:19.20kLeZ-hAcKok I will file a feature request ;) thanks Ardonik
11:19.43ArdonikThanks for the followup, kLeZ-hAcK.  We both learned something today.
11:20.02kLeZ-hAcKI have to go now, bye ;)
11:20.19Ardonikwaves
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11:39.41CymewSo, why on earth doesn't chrome play any sounds on the sound device I have selected in kde?
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11:58.24moviuro_Cymew: can you repeat on chromium, firefox, rekonq?
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12:08.36AienaCymew does it play ausdio on everything else ?
12:09.35Aienamaybe for chromium that specific apps volume is zero pulse allows per app app volume control and that is normally default unless you alter kmix's settings to expose only one volume slider and never touch others
12:09.48Aiena*audio
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12:13.35Cymewit works just as bad in firefox
12:14.19Cymewmpv can, e.g. play a flv file which plays in the headphones I have configured kde to use, the browsers do not
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12:15.09Cymew"internal audio" seems to be the only sound device that browsers can acceess
12:15.14Cymewweird
12:16.27Cymewsame thing with konqueror
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12:16.37CymewI know flash suck, but this is silly
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12:18.09CymewAnd an mp3 in chrome also ignores the kde settings, which means it's not flash, but the browser that is acting up
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12:49.42rdieteroctocpp: http://kde-apps.org/index.php?xcontentmode=30  (screensaver portion of kde-apps.org).  but yeah, not a *lot* going on there
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13:19.03moviuro_can someone share a konsole color sheme with a background being more or less #4C504D ? thanks :) (mine has some issues with highlight color being the same as text color, rendering it invisible and some colors are really terrible)
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14:13.24moviuro_I misclicked and deleted the Dark pastel konsole color-scheme. Could someone send it to me?
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14:17.07moviuro_hmmm, actually, darkPastel simply doesn't appear in the list, however, the file does exist
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14:24.38moviuro_nvm, fixed it
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16:47.10lineinthesandIs it possible to open the kwallet automatically on login?
16:48.17PasNoxlineinthesand: in auto start program ?
16:48.23PasNoxthere is systemsettings for thatr
16:49.02lineinthesandPasNox, I mean opening the wallet itself, not only the program
16:49.34PasNoxlineinthesand: well opening the application will open the wallet too
16:50.10lineinthesandWhat I really mean is: opening it without having to enter the password.
16:50.28PasNoxno way
16:50.36PasNoxbut u cen set null password to your wallet
16:50.39PasNoxcan*
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16:50.45PasNoxit's what i do on my system
16:50.48lineinthesandPasNox, really?
16:50.51PasNoxso i never have to enter password
16:51.03PasNoxmy computer is not confidential so i'm not thinking about security
16:51.06PasNoxlineinthesand: really.
16:51.23lineinthesandPasNox, thank you, I'll immediately try that
16:51.27PasNoxnp
16:51.55PasNoxlineinthesand: remember anybody accessing your computer will be able to check your wallet without permissions
16:52.06PasNoxif it's ok for you... :)
16:52.17BluesKajnothing in my wallet :)
16:52.23PasNox:D
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16:53.12lineinthesandPasNox, yes, I know.
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17:08.18rdieterlineinthesand: PasNox's suggestion is currently the only option, kde-4.13 will include initial support for pam-kwallet, (similar to gnome-keyring-pam), that auto-open's kwallet using your login password
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17:19.41DocScrutinizer05yay, 8GB RAM used by nepomuk. `date; free; nepomukctl restart; sleep 5; free; date` - I should get an alias for that. Or use ulimit, but *where* exactly?
17:21.28DocScrutinizer05IOW what the heck *does* `nepomukctl restart`
17:22.14DocScrutinizer05*of course* no manpage for anything nepomuk*
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17:22.42DocScrutinizer05pretty windows'y
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17:22.58moviuro_DocScrutinizer05: you do have a memory leak. it uses < 20MB mem here
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17:23.11moviuro_DocScrutinizer05: BTW, which process exactly?
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17:27.13moviuro_DocScrutinizer05: nvm, my virtuoso is broken: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7231679/
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17:30.00DocScrutinizer05seems your HDD is broken
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17:30.33lineinthesandrdieter, thanks for the information!
17:30.48scummosDocScrutinizer05: should report a bu
17:30.49scummosg
17:31.02scummosor wait, probably not ;)
17:31.36DocScrutinizer05Apr 10 19:23:55 schizophrenia kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 37404030
17:32.31scummosyup that means something is severely wrong
17:33.04DocScrutinizer05my HDD and SSD is OK ;-)
17:33.30DocScrutinizer05thus virtuoso-t happily skyrockets its RAM usage
17:34.05moviuro_is a "Pechvogel"... I changed this disk not 2 years ago :'(
17:34.23scummoswhat disk is it?
17:34.45DocScrutinizer05I restarded it a "few lines up" - already again at 1.1GB and growing, at a rate of 2MB/s
17:34.53scummosturn it off
17:35.01moviuro_scummos: just a 320GB HDD, with my linux on it (linux on BTRFS over LUKS)
17:35.03DocScrutinizer05then kmail blows chunks
17:35.12scummoskmail 4.13 doesn't ;)
17:35.21DocScrutinizer05so they told me
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17:36.15DocScrutinizer05I'll happily nuke that nepomuk troll once kmail4.13 gets available in a non-experimental version for my system
17:36.50DocScrutinizer05prolly just to find other severe flaws introduced with that new kmail version
17:36.59scummosfor me it works better
17:37.39moviuro_DocScrutinizer05: I don't have the memory leak on my other computer
17:37.55scummosmost people haven't ;)
17:38.07moviuro_scummos: that's a good news ;)
17:38.19moviuro_though I have a Plasma one
17:38.24DocScrutinizer05well, maybe you don't have 170000 mails in your kmail (when you use kmail at all)
17:38.33moviuro_(from 20MB to 500....)
17:38.44DocScrutinizer05though I marked most dirs as "don't fulltext index"
17:38.47moviuro_DocScrutinizer05: no, I keep it < 3000
17:39.39moviuro_DocScrutinizer05: nvm, I'm at ~ 9000
17:39.48moviuro_(imap)
17:39.59DocScrutinizer05and maybe you don't have 8 mail accounts which get polled every 3 minutes
17:40.22moviuro_only 6 accounts every 5 minutes
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17:40.30DocScrutinizer05and no complex filters with mail moving around between folders
17:40.47moviuro_DocScrutinizer05: can't you do that on the imap servers ?
17:40.52DocScrutinizer05nope
17:41.00moviuro_hmmm... that's too bad
17:41.12moviuro_has no rules in KMail
17:41.15DocScrutinizer05I don't keep my sensitive mail on servers, you know? ;-)
17:41.37scummosyou receive them directly on your desktop computer or what :D
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17:41.46moviuro_not really easy if you want to take a look at your mails from anything else than your computer
17:41.59DocScrutinizer05I trust my own PC more than a shoddy mailserver, with SSL ;-P
17:42.13scummosif it was on the server at some point it doesn't really matter anyways ...
17:43.42DocScrutinizer05also you ever tried to create a new mail account in your client, to an IMAP account that has some 30000 mails stored on it? Good luck! you better get a *crate* of beer to not get bored until you finally can *use* that account for anything
17:44.10scummoswelcome to 2014
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17:44.26DocScrutinizer05of course this doesn't apply to you when you never planned to read your mails e.g. in airplane
17:45.48DocScrutinizer05well, I survived ~4 incidents where servers got rooted, and I had no headache about my mails tampered with
17:46.10scummosmaybe you should think about a better server ;D
17:46.35DocScrutinizer05I still use POP3 wherever possible, instead of this glorified webmailer protocol IMAP
17:47.08DocScrutinizer05maybe I don't need to think about web.de's servers, or any of the other accounts I use
17:47.46scummosif you want to keep email safe, end-to-end encryption is sort of your only choice imo
17:47.52DocScrutinizer05I'm not running my own mail provider service, you know?
17:47.59scummoseverything else is maybe a bit useful but mostly snake oil
17:48.04scummosespecially then that applies ;)
17:48.11DocScrutinizer05sure sure sure sure
17:48.24moviuro_DocScrutinizer05: end to end encryption is just using GnuPG
17:48.50moviuro_but running your own mail server can also do the trick
17:48.51DocScrutinizer05so what? teaching me about GPG now? not needed, thanks!
17:49.27DocScrutinizer05I simply fetch my mails from server, and delete them there. KTNXBYE
17:49.54DocScrutinizer05then use grep when I get bored by nepomuk - FTW
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17:52.50DocScrutinizer05actually I find it quite amusing how devels - when confronted with their sw cocking up - start arguing my usage patterns
17:53.44moviuro_is no dev
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18:28.34linux_Hi
18:28.54linux_ID 2001:3c15 D-Link Corp. DWA-140 RangeBooster N Adapter(rev.B3) [Ralink RT5372]
18:29.19linux_I cannot connect with that device..
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18:31.18moviuro_linux_: which distro / KDE version? what does it mean you cannot connect? The network manager fails or the authentication fails?...
18:32.42linux_moviuro_: opensuse 13.1, and its KDE The drive is correctly installed I think it is something related to KDE or opensuse..
18:33.42moviuro_most likely a distro specific issue. Did you successfully ever connect to WiFi using the given device?
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18:35.29linux_moviuro_: under opensusde 12.1 I can connect.. it using the same drivers..
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19:21.34brallanHi! Is it possible to add certain domain to show html instead of plain text in KMail?
19:22.03scummos^ I'd be interested in that too
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19:42.56melkorI'm using kubuntu 14.04 and after the latest updates kdewallet doesn't  doesn't recognize my password. Instead it says error 42 and asks for my password again.
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19:45.24cb400fmelkor: (re)move the kwallet data, or try a new user, to see if your system is broken, or you just forgot the password ;-)
19:45.38cb400fdoesn't think 14.04 is officially released yet
19:45.47melkorIt isn't officially released.
19:46.01melkorDo you know what error 42 is?
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20:00.44melkorThanks for the info. I deleted my old wallet, maybe kde won't forget the new password.
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20:09.28michaelrosejust wondering something its pretty common for me at least and I think a lot of people to switch from using speakers to headphones relatively regularly, although it is cool for some use cases to be able to put different things on different devices probably 95% of people just use one at a time
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20:10.24michaelroseso its a common activity when changing to do the following process, click on kmix applet, select audio tab change default device, select mixer settings and make the new device the default mixer so the audio keys do the right thing,
20:10.41michaelrosethen select the tab for existing streams and right click and move them all over
20:10.55michaelrosethis is probably the stupidest thing in kde
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20:11.39michaelroseI wonder why in 2014 there isn't a simpler way to switch between devices
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20:12.20michaelroseespecially when it is so trivial to do in a script http://xsnippet.org/359886/
20:12.38scummosyes it's not a good workflow
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20:12.41scummosit annoys me too
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20:12.52scummosesp. since it doesn't seem to remember the default audio device sometimes
20:13.06scummosand makes the volume keys control the HDMI audio output which I never used
20:13.33michaelroseI have bound the script above to one keypress, it cycles through available sound devices moves everything to them and makes them the default
20:13.55michaelrosealso sets an environmental variable called $default_sink
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20:14.31michaelrosethen bind volume keys to use pactl to change the volume of $default_sink
20:14.49scummosyes, it sounds useful
20:14.53scummosbut tbh I'm just too lazy to set that up :D
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20:15.22michaelrosescummos, http://xkcd.com/1205/
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20:16.08scummoshm, according to that scale it would probably be worth it within a year or two ;)
20:16.34michaelrosedepends on how often you switch audio outputs
20:16.46scummosmaybe once a day
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20:16.55michaelrosepersonally since 99% of the script was already written on the internet it took me 2 minutes to set up
20:18.10michaelrosein kde you would want to use xbindkeys to bind scripts to buttons
20:18.31michaelroseit i3 you just add it to your existing config in 2 seconds
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20:20.35OnkelTemhi all
20:20.44OnkelTemhow to autodetect keyboard?
20:20.51scummosautodetect keyboard?
20:21.00OnkelTemyes
20:21.21OnkelTemlike it happens during installation on *buntu
20:21.31scummoswhat do you mean by "autodetect"?
20:21.34kfunkkeyboard *layout*, I guess
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20:21.48OnkelTemkeyboard model
20:22.00OnkelTemand layout yes
20:22.23OnkelTemi purchased apple keyboard and dunno what i should select
20:24.18scummosdidn't even know it was possible for software to detect keyboard layouts
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20:46.05OnkelTemwonders if scummos ever installed linux
20:46.32scummosnot ubuntu ;)
20:46.32OnkelTemof course the software doesn't request from keyboard - hey, who are you
20:46.56OnkelTemit uses some heuristic
20:47.05OnkelTemasks to type some letter or something
20:47.08scummosyeah exactly, I wouldn't know how the software should have a heuristic to find out what stickers are on my keyboard
20:47.11scummosah well, that would work.
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20:47.49OnkelTemi just have no idea what keyboard model should i select to get all keys working
20:48.02OnkelTemfor example i have volume keys
20:48.15kdesperateHelp needed! When my laptop tuns on it goes asleep just before kdm shows and I have to close the lid and reopen it to enter username and passoword. When I turn off it it goes asleep and turns off only after a key is pressed... what happens?
20:48.16scummosnot sure if those are related to the keyboard layout
20:48.27scummosyou can try pressing them in xev
20:48.35scummosif they show up you can probably just bind them to something
20:49.31OnkelTemscummos: yeah, of course, but that would be pretty difficult comparing to just selecting correct model ;)
20:50.05scummosI didn't know that affects the volume keys
20:50.14scummosbut I don't know how keyboards work so
20:51.22OnkelTemwell, i have a laptop macbookpro 2011 with ubuntu 13.04 on it, it successfuly detected keyboard and volume and other similar keys work
20:51.42scummostry pressing the keys in xev and see what happens
20:52.15OnkelTembut there I have Gnome and I don't know do KDE and Gnome using same approach in working with keyboards
20:52.22OnkelTemok i'll try
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21:48.24moviuro_LLKCKfan: ask on the off-topics channel of your favorite distros ;)
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