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| 01:13.27 | Stallmanu | Kompare is awesome |
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| 01:20.32 | Stallmanu | What group is ksnapshot a part of on review board? |
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| 01:37.30 | Stallmanu | Well submitted the patch |
| 01:37.40 | Stallmanu | hopefully gets accepted |
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| 04:26.55 | Stallmanu | In the dolphin source code, the file viewsettingstab.cpp, line 172 where is IconsModeSettings (what file)? There is an #include "dolphin_iconsmodesettings.h" but I cant seem to find where that file is |
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| 04:30.30 | Stallmanu | any ideas? |
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| 04:41.42 | valorie | Stallmanu: maybe ask in #kde-devel ? |
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| 04:42.14 | Stallmanu | yeah I might when I get time |
| 04:42.48 | Stallmanu | thanks |
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| 05:05.33 | liznevada | sup, where KDM stores the .desktop files for diferent DE aside of KDE itself? (as for start XFCE from KDE) |
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| 05:10.50 | Fudus | . /usr/share/xsessions/kde-plasma.desktop |
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| 05:13.23 | liznevada | awesome thanks Fudus |
| 05:14.38 | brallan | Hi! Em, I'm a user of KJots, and I'm seeing so much know bugs unresolved and reported long time ago. Is KJots a death project? |
| 05:18.51 | valorie | brallan: I'm not sure what happened to the maintainer |
| 05:19.03 | valorie | are you willing to help hir out? |
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| 05:20.28 | valorie | techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/KJots |
| 05:22.17 | brallan | valorie: I would try to learn Qt, but have no knowledge with KDE environment :( |
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| 05:33.12 | valorie | brallan: it is a very helpful community |
| 05:34.20 | valorie | flossmanuals.net/kde-guide/ <--- short ebook to get you started |
| 05:35.57 | brallan | valorie: hehehe thank you, I going to read it ;) |
| 05:35.59 | liznevada | mhh apperars that my distro have something wrong by the way other de define its desktop files for kdm,the desktop file on KDM config refers to xfce and lxde as application type instead of xsession type. that cause KDM to fail to load up the choosen DE. |
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| 05:47.19 | Fudus | I tried out xfce through KDM in opensuse, so it is possible. Probably something wrong with your distro. |
| 05:48.44 | valorie | liznevada: what distro? |
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| 06:50.38 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 06:50.57 | cousin_luigi | How do I disable the recent opened items feature in dolphin? I mean for good. |
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| 06:57.10 | valorie | cousin_luigi: There is the possibility to display additional information below the icons. These can be turned on/off via Control -> Additional Information or View -> Additional Information (if menu bar is enabled). |
| 06:57.24 | valorie | quoting from userbase.kde.org/Dolphin/File_Management |
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| 07:00.38 | lordievader | Good morning. |
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| 07:36.27 | cousin_luigi | valorie: but will the history still be kept? |
| 07:38.32 | valorie | cousin_luigi: that I do not know |
| 07:38.51 | valorie | perhaps you'll have to ask the dolphin admins about that |
| 07:39.25 | valorie | there is a #dolphin-dev channel |
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| 07:42.36 | cousin_luigi | valorie: ok, thanks |
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| 08:34.50 | Tuju | it's funny that having akonadi running at your desktop, your bloody konsole gets sluggish, it's like your localhost would be at other side of the earth via satellite link. |
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| 08:43.29 | anon1269 | how can I provide log or config to help debug it? |
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| 10:23.33 | BluesKaj | 'Morning all |
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| 10:28.40 | leszek | hi |
| 10:29.33 | rindolf | leszek: hi. |
| 10:29.37 | rindolf | BluesKaj: morning. |
| 10:29.40 | rindolf | BluesKaj: what's up? |
| 10:31.37 | BluesKaj | hey rindolf, not much here, just some insomnia....and you? |
| 10:32.35 | rindolf | BluesKaj: I worked on perl-AnyEvent-FTP, which is currently only on GitHub (not on CPAN yet). It's not my module, but I hope to use it for Maniac Downloader. |
| 10:32.50 | AndrzejL | BluesKaj: Insomnia ADD and diabetes type 2... life is a ...ch. |
| 10:32.53 | AndrzejL | hehe |
| 10:33.11 | AndrzejL | and very mild... OCD |
| 10:33.21 | AndrzejL | morning all |
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| 10:33.44 | BluesKaj | Hey AndrzejL |
| 10:34.04 | BluesKaj | rindolf, Maniac Downloader ? |
| 10:34.51 | rindolf | BluesKaj: yes, see http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/projects/maniac-downloader/ . |
| 10:35.16 | rindolf | AndrzejL: morning. |
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| 10:37.16 | BluesKaj | ok rindolf , looks promising |
| 10:37.32 | rindolf | BluesKaj: yes. |
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| 11:06.26 | sandman13 | suggest me some minimal themes like Caledonia? |
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| 11:30.52 | lord_rob | I've associated folders with vlc ... Now that I've associated them back with konqueror they always open in a new window instead of going inside of the folder inside of the window how can i fix that ? |
| 11:33.44 | lord_rob | I know it was a stupid mistake but having the option of opening a folder with vlc is pretty cool |
| 11:34.27 | BlaXpirit | D: |
| 11:34.46 | BlaXpirit | I hate how KDE handles this stuff |
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| 11:37.25 | lord_rob | there should be a "open each folder in a separate window" option like on windows |
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| 11:37.31 | lord_rob | I presume |
| 11:38.08 | lord_rob | (anyway lunch time brb) |
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| 11:58.06 | Phr33d0m | lord_rob whas konqueror at some time opened things in new tab instead of new window? |
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| 11:58.30 | Phr33d0m | there's an option in konqueror's settings to open things in new tab instead of new window, you might check that |
| 11:59.29 | Phr33d0m | I think the option in >=4.12 is called "Open as tab in existing Konqueror when URL is called externally" |
| 11:59.39 | leszek | is it possible to hardcode the usage of a specific plasma theme in a plasmoid ? (preferrably in python) |
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| 12:00.16 | rdieter | leszek: doubtful |
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| 12:01.29 | rdieter | leszek: perhaps you could back up a step and explain why you would want something like that? |
| 12:02.04 | menace | Hi, i want to execute a script at shutdown (the script not manipulatable bye the user). I found a kde forums entry, that this would be doable with an directory /usr/shutdown. But this does not work. Any idea how i could do this? |
| 12:02.42 | leszek | rdieter: basically I am kind of missusing the org.kde.plasma.components for an desktop app and want to change the theme to something different then what is set for plasma |
| 12:04.33 | rdieter | leszek: "want to change the theme" => why ? |
| 12:04.55 | rdieter | either way, I suppose #plasma might be a better place to ask |
| 12:05.00 | Phr33d0m | not change theme, but user a different just for that widget as far as I understood |
| 12:05.05 | Phr33d0m | but use* |
| 12:05.15 | leszek | rdieter: yeah because the plasma theme looks different to the normal widget theme |
| 12:05.33 | leszek | Phr33d0m: exactly |
| 12:05.43 | rdieter | pretty sure thats not possible |
| 12:05.52 | Phr33d0m | it isn't afaik |
| 12:06.32 | leszek | too bad. Then I need to make a workaround somehow |
| 12:07.24 | rdieter | leszek: again, I'd recommend asking for advice in #plasma |
| 12:07.31 | leszek | menace: did you try the ~/.kde/shutdown directory and putting in that script there ? |
| 12:07.42 | leszek | rdieter: k thanks ;) |
| 12:07.46 | rdieter | or ml, plasma-devel(at)kde.org |
| 12:08.00 | Phr33d0m | leszek I'm pretty sure you can create a background box within the widget and give it the style you want(?) but that might not be what you're after :) |
| 12:09.29 | Phr33d0m | you should really check out how the "Akonote note plasmoid" widget works (tip: it doesn't use any user theme so you can style it however you want) |
| 12:09.43 | menace | leszek: no, because i do not want, that the user manipulate/deletes the script. and as far as i understand should such a script not exist in such a directory? |
| 12:09.44 | leszek | Phr33d0m: yeah this works for the background. This is also what I had in mind as "workaround". |
| 12:10.43 | leszek | menace: then the only standard I know of is a /usr/shutdown/scriptname |
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| 12:10.52 | Phr33d0m | menace why do you want to do this with kde? couldn't your distro manage it? systemd/openrc/whatever? |
| 12:11.44 | rdieter | leszek: shutdown/ in kde means run on logout (yes, the name is misleading) |
| 12:12.02 | rdieter | it's shutdown of the session |
| 12:12.35 | leszek | yeah that would be basically on every logout then |
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| 12:17.41 | menace | /usr/shutdown does not work on my system |
| 12:18.13 | menace | i have upstart and i need a blockable job, and upstart does cancel it after sometime. i can NOT avoid that >.< |
| 12:18.24 | menace | so i want to do this with logout |
| 12:21.24 | rdieter | menace: /usr/shutdown should get processed synchronously on logout (so it should block, but it still isnt exactly what you want, execute on shutdown) |
| 12:22.25 | rdieter | stuff in there is just source'd via /usr/bin/startkde |
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| 12:23.06 | rdieter | menace: sounds like what you want is to create a proper upstart init script |
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| 12:23.38 | Vamp898 | I just upgraded some machines to KDE 4.13 with the new indexing backend. All machines which did this upgrade ended up in being unuseable slow, did anyone experienced smiliar things? |
| 12:24.01 | Phr33d0m | Vamp898 yes, since 4.8.x |
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| 12:24.07 | Vamp898 | i noticed that one fault was the new indexing engine. As you can not disable it, i just did an exception for /home which seemed to help a bit, but still everything is very slow |
| 12:24.23 | menace | rdieter: no, the script might take to long, and a init script would return to fast afaik |
| 12:24.24 | Phr33d0m | you know, typical nepomuk/akonadi/virtuoso joke :p |
| 12:24.25 | leszek | just as reference found my answer to plasma theme setting for a specific app. Found it in muon. (but its in c++) Plasma::Theme::DefaultTheme->setUseGlobalSettings(false). and with the method setThemeName("foo") you can apparently set the theme |
| 12:24.28 | Vamp898 | and it seems to be harddisk related |
| 12:24.35 | lord_rob | the problem is that konqueror is associated with every folder so whenever I click on a folder, konqueror is started. How can I associate *nothing* to a folder? |
| 12:24.55 | Phr33d0m | lord_rob did you test what I suggested? |
| 12:24.56 | rdieter | menace: the init script shouldn't return until the job is done |
| 12:25.03 | lord_rob | Phr33d0m: yep |
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| 12:25.24 | lord_rob | never in a new tab |
| 12:25.49 | rdieter | menace: if you cannot make it blocking like that, implementing this will likely be impossible |
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| 12:26.57 | menace | in #upstart they told my that there's a maximum delay time. if this takes too long, it "is" returned. |
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| 12:27.42 | howlymowly | hi poeple.. does someone know if its possible to turn off smooth rendered fonts in the kate editor form kde? |
| 12:27.49 | rdieter | menace: ok, if upstart cannot be delayed reliably to ensure your job is done, there's nothing else you can do |
| 12:29.22 | Phr33d0m | lord_rob do you have /usr/share/applications/kde4/kfmclient_dir.desktop in your system? (dir may vary) |
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| 12:31.17 | lord_rob | yep found it |
| 12:31.26 | Phr33d0m | associate all your folders with that file |
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| 12:36.26 | menace | ah, /usr/shutdown works, exec bit was missing.. wups.. but can kde distinguish between shutdown and reboot? it does not seem that way |
| 12:37.21 | Phr33d0m | menace as rdieter said, kde will execute files from that folder whenever the user logs out, which means a shutdown, a reboot, a logout, etc... |
| 12:38.10 | menace | damnit |
| 12:38.26 | lord_rob | Phr33d0m: too bad it didn't work, 'Unable to find "/usr/share/applications/kde4/kfmclient_dir.desktop" please give a correct program name |
| 12:39.15 | Phr33d0m | lord_rob kfmclient openURL %u inode/directory |
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| 12:41.21 | lord_rob | yes! problem fixed! thank you Phr33d0m |
| 12:41.35 | Phr33d0m | np :) |
| 12:43.52 | lord_rob | I have another problem: When I right click on a zip-rar (tar ?) archive the option to extract it has disappeared. So I'm forced to open it with ark. How should I fix this problem? |
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| 13:19.36 | Walex | lord_rob: extract or open with 'ark' is the same. |
| 13:20.02 | Walex | lord_rob: check the file type associations. |
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| 13:58.40 | lord_rob | Walex: I know ark is used to extract but extract is done directly whereas open with ark requires an extra step |
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| 13:59.23 | Walex | lord_rob: what makes you think that "done directly" does not involve Ark? |
| 14:00.13 | Walex | lord_rob: do you think that the file manager contains the code to extract any time of the archive directly? |
| 14:00.29 | lord_rob | I mean : archive.zip (right-click) extract-here and voilà |
| 14:00.51 | lord_rob | if I start ark and start to use it to do the job I waste time |
| 14:01.05 | lord_rob | even if I know ark is used in both cases |
| 14:01.20 | Sho_ | lord_rob: see the config dialog, http://wstaw.org/m/2014/05/12/plasma-desktopSy1472.png |
| 14:01.51 | Walex | lord_rob: lord_rob and file associations. |
| 14:02.14 | Walex | lord_rob: various external programs can define internal actions. |
| 14:03.23 | Walex | lord_rob: for example look at "File Associations" for "applications->zip" and then the "embedding" tab |
| 14:03.39 | Sho_ | this has nothing to do with the context menu action he desires |
| 14:03.47 | Walex | lord_rob: you should see a "ark_part" tab. |
| 14:04.19 | Walex | Sho_: it needs both... |
| 14:04.31 | Sho_ | no, it doesn't |
| 14:04.50 | lord_rob | Sho_: those flags are checked and it doesn't work |
| 14:05.07 | Walex | Sho_: if the 'ark_part' is not enabled, how can Dolphin extract the files? |
| 14:05.09 | lord_rob | so walex is right I suppose |
| 14:05.21 | Sho_ | Walex: the kpart isn't involved with extracting |
| 14:05.25 | Sho_ | dolphin has no kpart support |
| 14:05.38 | Sho_ | the "Embedding" tab only applies to Konqueror |
| 14:05.40 | lord_rob | (I use konqueror) |
| 14:05.41 | Walex | Sho_: that's worrying. |
| 14:05.58 | Walex | lord_rob: ahhhhhh then you need the 'ark_part' thing |
| 14:06.09 | Sho_ | no he doesn't, because even in Konqueror, the kpart isn't involved with that context menu action .. |
| 14:06.12 | Walex | Sho_: how does Dolphin do that kind of staff then? |
| 14:06.31 | Sho_ | Walex: ark installs a context menu plugin that uses a public context menu API |
| 14:07.04 | Walex | Sho_: a plugin that is not the 'ark_part'? What's this madness? :-) |
| 14:07.06 | lord_rob | anyway, what Sho_ told me was already checked |
| 14:07.22 | lord_rob | so there must be something else |
| 14:07.24 | Sho_ | Walex: kparts are plugins as well, but of a different kind and purpose |
| 14:07.40 | Sho_ | Walex: embedding ark's archive *viewer* into a konqueror view is using the kpart |
| 14:07.57 | Walex | Sho_: sure, but I was here hopin 'kpart' APIs were the only ones needed. Ah well. |
| 14:08.11 | Sho_ | no, context menu plugins use a different API |
| 14:08.24 | Walex | the 'kpart' idea was such a reasonable idea. |
| 14:08.47 | Walex | but then there is the XDG stuff etc. Oh well. Things get messy with time. |
| 14:09.18 | Sho_ | kparts still work as they always have, so nothing detracts from their reasonableness |
| 14:09.24 | Sho_ | they just serve a different purpose |
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| 14:10.26 | lord_rob | things work and then break when I upgrade KDE ... Dont delete ~/.kde well I sometimes do that and I don't regret having done it :) |
| 14:10.53 | moviuro | shrugs |
| 14:11.23 | moviuro | damn, I didn't mean 'shrug' |
| 14:11.51 | moviuro | shivers |
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| 14:13.04 | moviuro | lord_rob: didn't you get issues with akonadi? |
| 14:13.32 | lord_rob | no, I don't use it |
| 14:14.31 | moviuro | lord_rob: because you don't simply remove .kde without suffering awful consequences on akonadi |
| 14:14.35 | moviuro | ^_^ |
| 14:15.25 | lord_rob | what is akonadi? |
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| 14:16.07 | lord_rob | (actually I don't remove .kde I just mv .kde .kdeold) |
| 14:17.13 | moviuro | lord_rob: the database that stores mails, contacts, calendars, etc. |
| 14:18.27 | lord_rob | I use google tools for that |
| 14:19.56 | einar77_work | moviuro: akonadi doesn't store mails |
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| 14:27.34 | grobda24 | says hi |
| 14:28.11 | lord_rob | hmmm back to my question Walex told me I needed the ark_part thing Sho_ told me the opposite and the options shown in the images were already checked, any other idea why I don't have the option "extract [to|here]" ? |
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| 14:31.10 | Walex | lord_rob: <Sho_> told you that the ark_part is not involved in the context menu on Dolphin, but you are using Konqueror. |
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| 14:34.19 | Walex | lord_rob: with the right settings in the File Associations it works for me here in Konqueror, and it just calls Ark in extract mode. |
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| 14:34.31 | Walex | lord_rob: have you tried using Dolphin just to double check? |
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| 14:34.51 | Sho_ | (I also explained that it's equally irrelevant to Konqueror, fwiw) |
| 14:35.19 | moviuro | Do you know a simple plasmoid that would display the output of a command every X seconds ? |
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| 14:38.14 | Walex | lord_rob: have you got '/usr/share/kde4/services/ServiceMenus/ark_servicemenu.desktop'? |
| 14:39.17 | Walex | lord_rob: have you tried 'kbuildsyscoca4 --noincremental'? |
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| 14:45.28 | lord_rob | Walex: I have that file |
| 14:45.52 | Sho_ | if you hadn't you couldn't check the list items in the config dialog |
| 14:46.41 | lord_rob | I type that command as root Walex ? |
| 14:46.48 | Walex | lord_rob: guessing wildly you could try to re-run services/ServiceMenus/ark_addtoservicemenu.desktop |
| 14:46.58 | Walex | lord_rob: no, as yourself, the cache is per-session. |
| 14:47.02 | lord_rob | Sho_: I'm no KDE expert just an user :) |
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| 14:47.27 | Sho_ | lord_rob: sure, i was just explaining how things are connected |
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| 14:48.37 | lord_rob | Walex: but kbuildsyscoca is only available as root |
| 14:49.05 | rdieter | lord_rob: no it isn't |
| 14:49.41 | Walex | lord_rob: I also wonder whether re-running /usr/share/kde4/services/ServiceMenus/ark_addtoservicemenu.desktop' might help. |
| 14:49.42 | rdieter | runs kbuildsycoca4 in (non-root) user-session for testing all the time |
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| 14:49.51 | lord_rob | if I type the command as user I can't run it |
| 14:50.02 | Walex | lord_rob: note the final '4'. |
| 14:50.03 | rdieter | lord_rob: kbuildsycoca4 (note the 4 at the end) |
| 14:50.19 | Walex | lord_rob: try '/usr/bin/kbuildsycoca4' |
| 14:50.22 | lord_rob | I use autocompletition |
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| 14:50.42 | Walex | lord_rob: if you are really desperate it often helps to kill 'kded4' and restart it. |
| 14:50.54 | Walex | lord_rob: which distro, version and KDE version? |
| 14:51.15 | lord_rob | Debian Sid kde 4.12.4 |
| 14:51.20 | Walex | has to kill and restart 'kded4' often because network status detection is broken. |
| 14:52.10 | Walex | lord_rob: ahhhh, so if you use Debian 'unstable' archive you are a very advanced OS developer, it would be presumptuous of us to try and help you |
| 14:53.08 | lord_rob | no |
| 14:53.15 | lord_rob | it's all right |
| 14:53.28 | lord_rob | I typed kbuild sycoca |
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| 14:53.38 | lord_rob | sorry |
| 14:54.33 | Walex | lord_rob: following on from the previous comment, unless you are an advanced OS developer you should not use the Debian 'unstable' archive... |
| 14:54.43 | lord_rob | erm syscoca instead of sycoca |
| 14:55.13 | Sho_ | of course 99.9% of the other Debian unstable users are not "advanced OS developers" either |
| 14:55.25 | lord_rob | 'cmon I've been using it since 2002 |
| 14:56.02 | lord_rob | anyway I've run the command |
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| 14:59.04 | Walex | Sho_: sure, but then when it breaks they can be warmly invited to put back together the pieces themselves. |
| 14:59.30 | Walex | Sho_: as you surely know very well, 'unstable' mostly works, but sometimes it is broken in rather weird ways. |
| 14:59.38 | lord_rob | does it reset kde to its default "factory" config ? |
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| 14:59.57 | Walex | lord_rob: no, it reread the KDE on-disk databases into memory. |
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| 15:01.19 | skysploit | does anyone know why terminator defaults to ~/Documents under KDE? Konsole point to ~ when opened. |
| 15:02.04 | Sho_ | Walex: well, i also know that if i had gotten discouraged from playing around with linux things i didn't understand yet, you wouldn't be using my code right now |
| 15:02.23 | lord_rob | Walex: do I pastebin the output ? |
| 15:02.43 | Walex | Sho_: very good :-) |
| 15:03.13 | Walex | lord_rob: usually not much point. Try again the menu... |
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| 15:04.55 | lord_rob | Walex: that's what I did of course, maybe a kill -hup X11 server ? |
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| 15:05.41 | moviuro | skysploit: man terminator; FYI: tmux >> terminator |
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| 15:06.48 | Walex | lord_rob: no, but you may want to kill and restart 'kded4' with 'kquitapp kded4; kwrapper4 kded4 &' |
| 15:07.58 | rdieter | skysploit: older versions of kde defaulted to ~/Document as start up dir, to allow for backward compatility with apps not yet supporting xdg user dirs. That was changed recently since it causes odd side-effects as you notice. |
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| 15:10.20 | skysploit | rdieter, do you know if theres a way to to modify the path for tmux? |
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| 15:11.29 | rdieter | skysploit: see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302903 (fixed in 4.9.3) , for background |
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| 15:11.44 | skysploit | rdieter, thanks |
| 15:13.00 | rdieter | skysploit: i don't know what you mean by "path for tmux", can you elaborate? |
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| 15:15.13 | skysploit | disregard, I fixed it |
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| 15:15.51 | skysploit | Thanks for your help rdieter. That link had the answer. |
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| 15:50.15 | grobda24 | Is the latest version of KDE 4.13 ? Reason I ask is that this tutorial cites version "4.3" - http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/WallpaperHelloWorld |
| 15:51.27 | Sho_ | yes, the current version is 4.13 |
| 15:51.33 | Sho_ | 4.3 is 10 versions older |
| 16:00.31 | grobda24 | Sho_, thanks, so that tutorial should work with my version 4.12.4 ? |
| 16:00.42 | Sho_ | yes |
| 16:00.53 | grobda24 | k |
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| 17:30.51 | grobda24 | Anyone know of any examples of using Webkit in Plasma code ? I've searched the usual places but getting frustrated that I can't seem to pull any up. |
| 17:32.08 | chris_hd | grobda24: did you ask at the plasma channel or #kde-devel ? |
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| 17:32.54 | grobda24 | chris_hd, ah, no was looking for something like that in the topic. What's the plasma channel called ? |
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| 17:35.08 | lainlives__ | grobda24: is it not #plasma |
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| 17:35.59 | grobda24 | lainlives__, errr, yes, strangely enough :| thanks |
| 17:37.12 | lainlives__ | #kde-devel would probably point you there too |
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| 17:38.56 | chris_hd | grobda24: lainlives__: according to http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels it is #plasma |
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| 17:39.33 | lainlives__ | assumed it was by their topic |
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| 17:43.25 | grobda24 | chris_hd, cheers :) |
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| 18:21.20 | d4rkt1m3s | Hello. I've created an app for Linux with KDE and I'm wondering if I can package qt with the app so that It can be used with Ubuntu without a secondary package. I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience with this. |
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| 18:22.14 | lainlives__ | why |
| 18:22.37 | lainlives__ | because if someone already has it installed, why do they need to download it again |
| 18:22.37 | d4rkt1m3s | so that I can get my app on the Ubuntu software center. |
| 18:22.42 | d4rkt1m3s | ? |
| 18:22.54 | d4rkt1m3s | does ubuntu already have qt installed? |
| 18:23.14 | lainlives__ | probably not by default, but why not just have qt as a dependency |
| 18:23.14 | d4rkt1m3s | I know Kubuntu would, but ubuntu? |
| 18:23.15 | ChemBro | yes |
| 18:23.25 | ChemBro | unity uses qt |
| 18:23.34 | d4rkt1m3s | well then. |
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| 18:23.52 | d4rkt1m3s | is a Slackware user and is ignorant of most other distros |
| 18:23.58 | d4rkt1m3s | should feel bad. |
| 18:24.13 | ChemBro | why? |
| 18:24.27 | ChemBro | you're using the dinosaur of the linux distros :P |
| 18:24.35 | d4rkt1m3s | WHAT??? |
| 18:24.45 | d4rkt1m3s | U WOT M8? |
| 18:25.00 | ChemBro | :P |
| 18:25.13 | d4rkt1m3s | Slackware is just as up-to-date as Debian, even more so, usually. |
| 18:25.24 | Kelsar | d4rkt1m3s: Slackware is one of the oldest, nothing wrong about it ;) |
| 18:26.07 | d4rkt1m3s | oh, then yes, I do use the oldest still-going distro |
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| 18:52.44 | davidbrooke | I'm using Manjaro kde 4.12.4. I would like to find out how to have more than one instance of Kate, whether if it is one workspace or several. Right now I can only open one text document at a time. |
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| 18:55.31 | Yurumeru | Hi, i'm running ktouch inside Vmware, today i updated kde from 4.8 to 4.12, and now when i run ktouch and start typing cpu utilization goes to > 80% :'( |
| 18:55.42 | rdieter | Yurumeru: kate --new |
| 18:55.44 | Yurumeru | does that make any sense to anyone? |
| 18:56.01 | rdieter | oops, davidbrooke : kate --new |
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| 18:57.38 | davidbrooke | rdieter: how do I open multiple kate instances if I use dolphin? |
| 19:00.10 | rdieter | davidbrooke: you could create a custom application launcher I suppose (which uses Exec=kate --new instead), or edit kate.desktop to include that instead too |
| 19:05.29 | davidbrooke | so is the "out of the box" Kate...only opens one text document at a time? |
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| 19:09.38 | davidbrooke | maybe I'm asking the wrong question.... |
| 19:09.38 | rdieter | davidbrooke: it can open more than one, but it opens them into the same window |
| 19:10.08 | rdieter | davidbrooke: on the left you should see a pane labeled |
| 19:10.17 | rdieter | Documents, listing each open one |
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| 19:10.48 | davidbrooke | if I open a text document, then open another text document....the original text document closes and the second document opens |
| 19:11.04 | rdieter | your "Documents" list on the left never lists more than 1 item? |
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| 19:12.39 | davidbrooke | I don't have a documents list....I must have closed it when I was setting up kate initiailly |
| 19:13.15 | rdieter | click "Documents", nothing happens? |
| 19:13.24 | davidbrooke | I was trying to maximise my desktop space |
| 19:13.43 | Phr33d0m | davidbrooke that's very very strange, I can open lots of instances of kate with lots of documents inside each instance |
| 19:13.50 | davidbrooke | hold on....this is a typical way I use kate... |
| 19:14.03 | davidbrooke | open dolphin and double click on a text file |
| 19:14.05 | rdieter | davidbrooke: tools->toolviews->show documents |
| 19:14.21 | rdieter | sorry, view->tool views->show documents |
| 19:14.55 | rdieter | its also possible to shrink the documents view to 0 width so its essentially hidden, maybe thats what happened here too |
| 19:15.44 | davidbrooke | maybe so but there is still a problem.... |
| 19:16.20 | Phr33d0m | davidbrooke are you asking how to open new documents in new tabs instead of new instance? |
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| 19:16.38 | Phr33d0m | I couldn't get right the "it opens one text document at a time" |
| 19:16.45 | rdieter | Phr33d0m: I think either |
| 19:17.02 | davidbrooke | if I open a text file on workspace 1 and then open a text file on workspace 3....I'm taken back to workspace 1 with the last text file I just opened |
| 19:17.07 | rdieter | except kate doesn't use tabs |
| 19:17.20 | Phr33d0m | kate uses tabs with an extension |
| 19:17.33 | Phr33d0m | davidbrooke oh, you can force it to *always* use a new instance |
| 19:17.45 | davidbrooke | I was expecting a new instance of kate on workspace 3 |
| 19:17.52 | Phr33d0m | but not 'open now an instance cuz I'm on w3 and my other kate is in w1" |
| 19:18.00 | Phr33d0m | yeah I doubt you can do that |
| 19:18.05 | rdieter | Phr33d0m: how to always start new instance? |
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| 19:18.18 | rdieter | (thanks for hint about the tabs plugin, nice) |
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| 19:18.50 | Phr33d0m | I'm using the 'Tab Bar' one btw |
| 19:18.53 | Phr33d0m | let me look what you asked |
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| 19:19.04 | davidbrooke | I'm been a long time cinnamon user...and you can do what I just described |
| 19:19.12 | rdieter | davidbrooke: if you enable the 'tab bar |
| 19:19.25 | rdieter | plugin, it will highlight the fact that > 1 document can be open at a time |
| 19:19.27 | davidbrooke | I was evaluating switching over to kde |
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| 19:20.42 | Phr33d0m | rdieter assign all your text files to use the binary `kate` directly instead of using the kate.desktop association |
| 19:20.53 | Phr33d0m | that should always spawn a new instance for every text file you open |
| 19:20.54 | LucidGuy | Anyone know how to disable desktop effects from startup .. via a conf file? Google doesnt seem to have the answer for me. |
| 19:21.19 | Lyrek | ? in KDE? |
| 19:21.20 | rdieter | Phr33d0m: you sure? kate --help , implies all-in-one-window is the default behavior, unless one uses 'kate --new' |
| 19:21.34 | Lyrek | It is the settings panel |
| 19:22.05 | rdieter | LucidGuy: a couple options, one: login to kde plasma failsafe session (that essentially disables effects) |
| 19:22.34 | LucidGuy | I need to disable from a conf file.. |
| 19:23.01 | LucidGuy | As in I will tweak this file on many systems remotely so they all startup without desktop effects |
| 19:23.07 | rdieter | LucidGuy: kwriteconfig --file kwinrc --group Compositing --key Enabled false |
| 19:23.20 | rdieter | (thats a per-user setting) |
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| 19:23.44 | rdieter | or create/modify a system-wide kwinrc to contain: |
| 19:23.48 | rdieter | [Compositing] |
| 19:23.51 | rdieter | Enabled=false |
| 19:23.54 | LucidGuy | rdieter, I have it enabled but my ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc has the enabled=false .. so does your method work? |
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| 19:24.23 | rdieter | LucidGuy: kwriteconfig will modify kwinrc accordingly, yes |
| 19:24.45 | rdieter | LucidGuy: it will only take effect on next login, it does not turn it off *now* |
| 19:25.00 | rdieter | LucidGuy: do you want to disable the currently-running kwin too? |
| 19:25.16 | rdieter | I think there's a dbus call that can do it |
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| 19:25.36 | LucidGuy | rdieter, nope.. then info you have given me works .. thanks. |
| 19:25.49 | Phr33d0m | rdieter my bad, then associate it with `kate --new %U` |
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| 19:26.16 | Phr33d0m | I knew it was something like that, didn't remember the exact command :p |
| 19:26.20 | rdieter | Phr33d0m: <nod>, that matches my initial suggestion of creating a new/custom application launcher |
| 19:26.36 | Phr33d0m | oh, I might have jumped over that line, sry |
| 19:26.58 | rdieter | np |
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| 19:29.39 | LucidGuy | rdieter, now it would be great if I could throw together an if statement checking if its enabled .. and disabling if it is. |
| 19:29.58 | rdieter | LucidGuy: why? |
| 19:30.18 | rdieter | kreadconfig --file kwinrc --group Compositing --key Enabled |
| 19:30.25 | rdieter | ^^ should return true or false :) |
| 19:30.57 | LucidGuy | I guess simply setting it to disabled everytime they login takes up just as much resources as it checking and setting |
| 19:31.04 | rdieter | hrm, I suppose it can return empty too |
| 19:31.20 | rdieter | if unset (default is true though) |
| 19:31.41 | LucidGuy | If you run that command as root, is it applied to all users? |
| 19:31.48 | LucidGuy | Wait .. of course not |
| 19:31.49 | rdieter | no, it only sets for the current user |
| 19:32.03 | rdieter | kde does search for global configs though |
| 19:32.21 | LucidGuy | ooo ..do you know where the global config is? |
| 19:32.41 | rdieter | kde4-config --path config |
| 19:32.49 | davidbrooke | ok looks like what you guys were talking about works.....system settings>file associations>text>plain>kate>application>command>kate --new |
| 19:33.06 | rdieter | LucidGuy: put a kwinrc in any of those places |
| 19:33.29 | davidbrooke | open new instance of kate everytime |
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| 19:34.33 | LucidGuy | rdieter, but when will that apply? .. will that apply the users? |
| 19:34.47 | rdieter | LucidGuy: it will apply when users login |
| 19:34.56 | rdieter | in the order returned |
| 19:35.03 | LucidGuy | And overwrite their own setting .. assuming they changed it. |
| 19:35.17 | rdieter | LucidGuy: true, user config has higher priority than system |
| 19:35.29 | rdieter | *if* they set it |
| 19:36.09 | rdieter | LucidGuy: you could force it off always, by putting the kwriteconfig snippet into /usr/env/disable_effects.sh |
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| 19:36.32 | rdieter | LucidGuy: stuff in there gets source'd on each login, see /usr/bin/startkde script for details |
| 19:37.02 | rdieter | there's a corresponding shutdown dir for stuff that gets source'd on session shutdown too |
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| 19:37.42 | rdieter | depends on what exactly you want to achieve here |
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| 19:38.05 | LucidGuy | /usr/env? that does not exist |
| 19:38.41 | rdieter | LucidGuy: thats the default, or put it in any path that your distro startkde script uses |
| 19:39.01 | rdieter | <kde_prefix>/env |
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| 19:39.33 | rdieter | LucidGuy: for example, my distro fedora, also uses /etc/kde/env |
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| 19:41.49 | LucidGuy | rdieter, looking through /usr/bin/startkde ... I simply need to disable Desktop effects on all users during login. |
| 19:42.13 | rdieter | ok, thats too bad, effects are nice |
| 19:42.36 | LucidGuy | They are .. but at a cost, and some of our software acts up with them on. |
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| 19:43.03 | rdieter | consider trying xrender based effects instead of opengl? |
| 19:43.29 | LucidGuy | rdieter, not even sure what that is |
| 19:43.30 | davidbrooke | rdieter: ty for your help |
| 19:43.38 | davidbrooke | Phr33d0m: ty for your help |
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| 19:44.16 | Phr33d0m | np |
| 19:44.21 | rdieter | LucidGuy: kwinrc Backend=OpenGL or Backend=XRender |
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| 19:45.05 | LucidGuy | Just noticed .. my backed is Xrender already. |
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| 19:45.13 | LucidGuy | not opengl |
| 19:45.30 | rdieter | ok, and apps still misbehave ? |
| 19:45.43 | LucidGuy | Yes.. |
| 19:45.50 | rdieter | eww, ok |
| 19:45.50 | LucidGuy | OpenGL is worse? |
| 19:46.08 | LucidGuy | They are slow .. and some apps have odd transparency issues |
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| 19:46.33 | rdieter | buggy apps, not handling alpha channel probably |
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| 19:46.59 | rdieter | but if that's what you need working, you're stuck |
| 19:47.27 | LucidGuy | k .. back to figuring out where to disable this for all users |
| 19:47.41 | LucidGuy | thanks. |
| 19:49.32 | LucidGuy | should I be able to find a file called disable_effects? or did you just think of that.. and suggest I put a bash file with the kwriteconfig snippet into. |
| 19:50.15 | rdieter | LucidGuy: needs to have .sh extension I think |
| 19:50.22 | rdieter | again, details are in startkde script |
| 19:50.29 | LucidGuy | ohh like putting it into ~/.kde/env/ |
| 19:50.33 | rdieter | yes! |
| 19:50.48 | LucidGuy | Now I understand what you mean .. |
| 19:50.52 | rdieter | :) |
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| 19:51.09 | LucidGuy | thanks .. I really appreciate your assistance. |
| 19:51.35 | LucidGuy | I have another KDE lock screen issue would love to show you .. another time. On here often? |
| 19:51.53 | rdieter | LucidGuy: sure |
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| 19:57.37 | wuschLOR | need some help kde just killed all the umlaut (ä ü ö ß) |
| 19:58.15 | wuschLOR | strage thing is i can put a taxtfile there an it keeps the characters but the images dont |
| 19:58.20 | wuschLOR | even i i rename them |
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| 20:04.03 | calzifer | hi, how can i stop ibus from autostart? |
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| 20:05.32 | rdieter | calzifer: besides uninstalling it? |
| 20:06.05 | calzifer | yes |
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| 20:06.09 | calzifer | beside uninstalling it |
| 20:07.23 | rdieter | calzifer: http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html#idm140084019409984 |
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| 20:16.04 | calzifer | rdieter: thank you |
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