| 00:02.45 | obsed | hehe yeah Plasma-vr |
| 00:03.41 | obsed | anyway its probably abit gimmicky right now |
| 00:03.58 | obsed | it will be a while before anyone figures out what might actually be good regarding VR desktops |
| 00:04.33 | obsed | KDE has actually been good, best in the entire world actually, in not doing retarded shit like sticking a Tablet or phone GUI onto a PC Desktop lol |
| 00:05.04 | obsed | infact i pretty much hate every single desktop, unity, gnome, windows 8, etc, and LOVE KDE :) |
| 00:05.16 | dyrvere | obsed: Yeah, let Valve figure that vr-interface out so KDE devs can improve it. :D |
| 00:05.25 | obsed | dyrvere: hehe indeed good idea =) |
| 00:06.28 | obsed | i did just order an oculus rift DK.2 though |
| 00:06.59 | dyrvere | Cool, can you adjust the lenses without poking your eyes out now? :D |
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| 00:11.51 | obsed | dyrvere: hmm no i dont think they have implemented adjustable lenses into the dk.2 |
| 00:12.30 | obsed | they have mentioned VR will be seeing significant iterating in technological progress though, at a significant pace |
| 00:13.11 | dyrvere | how long have you had time to play with them? |
| 00:13.28 | obsed | well i first studied VR intensively perhaps 10+ years ago |
| 00:13.41 | obsed | i just preorded the dk.2 yesterday, and it should arrive by the end of august i think |
| 00:13.45 | dyrvere | hah, didn't we all get excited way way back about VR. |
| 00:13.55 | obsed | indeed =) |
| 00:14.10 | obsed | back then i found a company with $2,500 to $8,000 or so VR systems |
| 00:14.25 | obsed | today, the dk.2 is better technologically for $350 |
| 00:14.39 | dyrvere | sheesh, that some money difference hehe. |
| 00:14.55 | obsed | yeah i am actually pretty surprised by the low price of the oculus |
| 00:15.35 | dyrvere | well, it's still more pricey than the maker would like it to be :D |
| 00:16.02 | obsed | yeah i see their sensible move of pushing down prices to wide-consumer acceptance levels, which can then drive mass market adoption |
| 00:17.29 | dyrvere | certainly excited for whatever the consumer version would be like minus any facebook ofc. |
| 00:17.32 | obsed | at this pricing, i am able to buy a devkit2, play what is available, and beta test the shit out of upcoming games and provide feedback, and still afford the consumer version of the rift when it comes out too =) |
| 00:18.09 | obsed | yeah facebook is allowing them autonomy, continuing on with their VR roadmap etc |
| 00:18.18 | obsed | oh, and giving them big bucks to produce their own hardware etc |
| 00:18.49 | obsed | I believe facebooks angle may be to have VR-social integrated into facebook. And you don't have to have facebook to buy oculus for gaming of course |
| 00:19.16 | obsed | VR being the next big thing, if you believe that, means any company who owns it is going to be in a significant advantageous position anyay |
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| 00:20.19 | dyrvere | obsed: A joke. :p Since fb also want open server hardware, right? |
| 00:20.29 | obsed | dyrvere: lol |
| 00:20.37 | obsed | ok i am nervous about facebook owning it |
| 00:21.16 | obsed | im just going to see what happens anyway =) |
| 00:21.16 | dyrvere | don't worry, I have 30 friends who says they won't do anything fancy, and they all run faster. xD |
| 00:21.42 | obsed | they won't do anything fancy ? |
| 00:22.14 | obsed | i am nervous microsoft got facebook to purchase oculus and will do bad thingsTM |
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| 00:23.02 | dyrvere | sublime Microsoft ads! Soon you will all buy Windows 8.2 and attempt to run KDE on it! :D |
| 00:23.16 | obsed | facebook's open server, may be to cut into efficiencies google has |
| 00:23.54 | obsed | facebooks is relatively new-ish |
| 00:24.03 | obsed | they still have time to show whether they will be an evil empire or not |
| 00:25.01 | dyrvere | yep, so while you play with your devkit, why not draw a mockup of a KDE VR interface? :D |
| 00:25.21 | obsed | because i suck at programming ? |
| 00:25.25 | obsed | i need programming courses man =) |
| 00:25.56 | dyrvere | You need code to use a pen? Shit man, rough. :D |
| 00:26.01 | obsed | i guess i can see how hard it is with a toolkit though |
| 00:26.05 | obsed | use a pen ? |
| 00:26.22 | obsed | when i was twelve i made a 2D game like dogs in VB though |
| 00:26.25 | obsed | so erm |
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| 00:26.31 | obsed | you know, maybe i can learn |
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| 00:26.43 | obsed | as long as i dont have to invent a freakin engine or something |
| 00:27.58 | obsed | to be honest my desire is to contribute to openbsd anyway |
| 00:28.13 | obsed | which requires a very high level of skill and correctness |
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| 00:33.02 | dyrvere | Well, wonder if the Valve drivers and libraries work on BSD same way they do on Linux. |
| 00:34.05 | obsed | probably not. i quite like opensuse quite alot though |
| 00:34.19 | obsed | and i indeed to get hardened gentoo running too |
| 00:35.07 | obsed | in front of me, is opensuse hehe, and on my left, is openbsd+kde too |
| 00:36.25 | dyrvere | In front, Arch, behind Debian, on the window sil, OpenSUSE and in my pocket, MerOS(Sailfish) |
| 00:36.30 | obsed | I suspect something more appropriate for my lower skill level, rather than porting drivers or making a virtual reality gui |
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| 00:37.10 | obsed | is writing a user interface widget or Plasmoid I think its called, for kde, that uses the openbsd sndiod to change volume on openbsd |
| 00:37.15 | obsed | as i believe that does not currently exist |
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| 00:37.37 | dyrvere | Hm, could be useful thing. |
| 00:39.15 | obsed | yeah on openbsd currently i use mixerctl at the cli to change volume levels |
| 00:39.40 | obsed | as openbsd has the sndiod daemon, and kde has widgets for changing asla and pulseaudio i think |
| 00:39.43 | dyrvere | How different is mixerctl from alsamixer/pulsectl? |
| 00:40.47 | obsed | I think for changing volume levels is not substantially different as i believe its quite simple to ask sndiod to do that |
| 00:41.01 | obsed | openbsd is well documented as well, for programming it |
| 00:41.18 | obsed | mixerctl is a cli app for asking sndiod to do things i believe |
| 00:42.57 | obsed | i'm not sure how kde's KMix is put together, and whether it has a "backend architecture" to support alsa or pulseaudio, but perhaps it might be a matter of implementing a module for openbsd's sndiod maybe |
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| 00:43.52 | obsed | anyway i think i could write a simple applet that allows volume to go up and down hehe |
| 00:45.08 | obsed | it would draw the appropriate user interface using Qt, and as you slide it, either run mixerctl, or ask sndiod to do it in the same way mixerctl communicates with sndiod, perhaps by a ioctl i'm not sure would have to look into that |
| 00:45.49 | obsed | as you can see, i have a pretty low skill level at programming lol =) |
| 00:46.44 | dyrvere | obsed: Didn't all programmers start that way? :D It's learning to read a language 101 basically. |
| 00:47.03 | obsed | well yeah all programmers had to start somewhere :) |
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| 00:48.23 | dyrvere | obsed: Don't tell anyone, I'm doing Csharp right now. Hehe |
| 00:48.36 | obsed | hehee ok shhh i wont say |
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| 00:50.17 | ytrezq | Hello, How I may use secure DCC with konversation? |
| 00:50.40 | ytrezq | (force a secure DCC connection) |
| 00:50.41 | dyrvere | obsed: One day I just went, If the developer won't make it, why not just disassemble, refactor and port the binary myself.. ;P |
| 00:51.15 | obsed | yeah i am learning some of that stuff, have gotten abit sidetracked but my current project is learning some vulnerability analysis etc |
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| 00:54.44 | dyrvere | obsed: that's quite a step offside from audio widgets, isn't it? :D |
| 00:55.12 | obsed | dyrvere: yeah it is quite different |
| 00:55.15 | obsed | and alot harder |
| 00:55.57 | obsed | I havent used Qt before but from what people have told me about it, it sounds fairly straight forward to create a simple/small Qt app that has a volume slider, and then make the progam change the volume based on that |
| 00:56.59 | obsed | infact, i often had to take breaks from learning ASM by learning python instead hehe |
| 00:57.29 | obsed | i wish there where proper classes on it locally, because at least to me learning all this ASM stuff via google doesnt seem particularly easy lol |
| 00:58.46 | obsed | i believe the courses i want to do are: |
| 01:00.05 | obsed | 1. http://www.opensecuritytraining.info/IntroX86.html complete all these classes and "skill tree" |
| 01:00.12 | obsed | 2. MIT's free online courseware nand2tetris |
| 01:00.30 | obsed | 3. complete all of c0resecurity's free online vulnerability analysis courses |
| 01:00.31 | dyrvere | ytrezq: did you find the Settings->Configure Konversation-> Behaviour(DCC) menu? |
| 01:00.33 | obsed | (in no particular order) |
| 01:01.49 | obsed | then i will have completed beginner level. and be ready to go onto intermediate level learning |
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| 01:04.19 | dyrvere | obsed: Oh, what happened to the time? Here is dawn soon. I need some shuteye before it breaks, but good luck with your widgets and secure plasma-vr! |
| 01:04.33 | obsed | dyrvere: cheers man ! |
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| 04:59.15 | Safa_[A_boy] | Hello. When I open VLC, I don't see the icon of it in the tray. I checked the settings but It seems fine to me |
| 04:59.30 | Safa_[A_boy] | ArchLinux, KDE 4.13 |
| 05:04.09 | karthikp | Safa_[A_boy]: This is a VLC setting. Go to Tools > Preferences. Under Interface, you should see an option to show systray icon. It's probably unchecked. |
| 05:04.22 | Safa_[A_boy] | It's checked |
| 05:04.34 | Safa_[A_boy] | Same problem in GoldenDict |
| 05:04.52 | karthikp | Maybe it's hidden in the system tray? There's a drop down arrow that shows dormant icons. |
| 05:05.05 | Safa_[A_boy] | Nothing there... |
| 05:05.24 | karthikp | Hmm. I just tested it. |
| 05:05.35 | karthikp | Simply checking it isn't enough. Need to restart vlc. |
| 05:05.42 | karthikp | Then I get an icon in the systray. |
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| 05:06.26 | karthikp | And the icon isn't hidden by the systray. It's right up front. |
| 05:06.29 | Safa_[A_boy] | No Icon. I restarted VLC and GoldenDict 4 times |
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| 05:07.36 | karthikp | Odd. Maybe it's being forcibly hidden. Right click on the expand arrow and go into system tray settings. Look under Entries. The visibility should be set to auto. |
| 05:08.33 | Safa_[A_boy] | I checked that also, no entry for VLC neither GoldenDict |
| 05:09.50 | Safa_[A_boy] | thinks it is a general problem with the apps, QStarDict have the same problem... |
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| 05:15.50 | Safa_[A_boy] | karthikp: I found a bug related, There is another panel :p |
| 05:16.25 | Safa_[A_boy] | Great. The Right panel was behind this panel. |
| 05:17.08 | Safa_[A_boy] | Maybe that happened when I add another panel for my new screen. KDE didn't delete it when I removed it :D |
| 05:17.17 | Safa_[A_boy] | Thanks for your time! |
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| 05:29.52 | karthikp | Safa_[A_boy]: Nice. Maybe plasma should always prevent panels from overlapping... I can't think of a case where you'd *want* panels to overlap. |
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| 05:30.49 | Safa_[A_boy] | Not me of course |
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| 08:27.47 | mitch0 | there should be an option to specify that a given panel / plasmoid / whatsitsname should only be active on a given screen (like, only show on screen1, if I don't have screen1, don't try to cram it on my other screen) |
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| 08:28.40 | ytrezq | dyvere: Yes but I couldn't find the setting... |
| 08:28.42 | mitch0 | mighty annoying with laptops when you either have 1 or two external monitors, or none |
| 08:28.44 | ytrezq | Hello, How I may use secure DCC with konversation? |
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| 09:03.37 | novist | jesus feck what i see in these mockups.. http://user-prompt.com/kde-system-settings-about-the-general-navigation/ |
| 09:03.43 | novist | kde is really going windows 8 way? |
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| 09:04.58 | leszek | novist: only mockups. I guess the old systemsettings tool will stay for a very long time |
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| 09:05.57 | novist | well mockups are a template for future work. it would be sad day if kde too turned went flatland-hard-edged-badly-colored way.. |
| 09:07.00 | novist | besides these are settings mockups, but desktop cant have one part totally differently styled from rest of DE therefore it means rest of desktop should look alike |
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| 09:13.47 | scummos | I think this is not about looks, this is how to organize the modules |
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| 09:14.47 | leszek | novist: see the vdg posts with screenshots about the breeze theme works |
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| 09:47.30 | redeyedman | hi, i have two questions: what is baloo_extractor doing? and how i can know whether indexing is end ? |
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| 09:50.46 | leszek | redeyedman: as far as I know its extracting meta information about media files |
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| 09:51.18 | leszek | redeyedman: I guess when the extractor is not running anymore indexing should be done |
| 09:51.32 | leszek | at least its done here on my machine and the extractoris not running anymore |
| 09:52.07 | leszek | hmm.. ok adding a new file or copying something and it might run for as few seconds again I discovered |
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| 09:53.59 | redeyedman | leszek: then using 50% of cpu is ok for it? |
| 09:54.22 | leszek | redeyedman: for the indexing yes |
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| 10:04.59 | redeyedman | seems it fixed in 13.2 |
| 10:06.23 | scummos | well it just finishes its work after a while |
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| 10:24.47 | ytrezq | Hello, How I may use secure DCC with konversation? |
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| 10:37.17 | BluesKaj | 'Morning all |
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| 10:47.07 | Walex | ytrezq: #Konversation perhaps? |
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| 10:48.27 | Aristide | What is problem on Konversation ? oO' |
| 10:48.36 | Aristide | (Hi ^^) |
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| 10:52.58 | The_ManU_212 | hi okular renders pdf distorted in height, what to do, its only a little bit, like 2 or 3 percent, prints are ok |
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| 10:57.08 | Walex | The_ManU_212: probably the PDF lies a bit about the page size. |
| 10:57.49 | Walex | The_ManU_212: try to check options as to A4 vs. letter |
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| 11:22.06 | The_ManU_212 | Walex: its a4 made with scribus |
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| 11:27.05 | Daemonik | How can I set a QT theme / color style when using a window manager like Fluxbox? |
| 11:27.33 | Walex | The_ManU_212: then perhaps there is some setting in Scribus to tweak, because the small difference you mention looks like A4/letter |
| 11:28.01 | Walex | Daemonik: Qt themes and color styles don't depend on the window manager |
| 11:28.11 | leszek | Daemonik: qtconfig |
| 11:28.20 | Daemonik | Thanks leszek |
| 11:29.54 | ytrezq | Walex: nobody answer nor talk on that channel... |
| 11:35.13 | Walex | Daemonik: note that there are two different 'qtconfig' commands for Qt3 and Qt4, and there is other stuff too. Also there is a Qt channel. |
| 11:38.22 | mitch0 | qt3? wtf |
| 11:38.56 | ytrezq | Hello, How I may use secure DCC with konversation? |
| 11:39.37 | Aristide | ytrezq: What is your problem with DCC on Konv ? |
| 11:39.42 | Fudus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:40.33 | Fudus | oops wrong channel nm ;) |
| 11:40.50 | Aristide | xD |
| 11:41.07 | Aristide | ns identify ILikeCupcakeS |
| 11:41.09 | Aristide | Oops |
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| 11:41.52 | Fudus | ytrezq: ordinary dcc isn't good enough? |
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| 11:41.56 | moviuro | Aristide: time to change your password |
| 11:42.02 | Aristide | moviuro: ^^ |
| 11:42.05 | Aristide | its a fake :') |
| 11:42.24 | Fudus | (insert hunter2 joke here) |
| 11:42.28 | moviuro | so you say... |
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| 11:42.53 | Aristide | moviuro: BUt I have already do this mistake on a channel xD |
| 11:43.15 | moviuro | happens, yes |
| 11:43.20 | Aristide | Immediatly : /ns set password jfskdfnklxfjkldj (random char) for secure my account, and change after with a better pass |
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| 11:43.40 | Aristide | Sorry my English is not very well ... |
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| 11:46.15 | darkweasel | keyboard layouts can also be dangerous: &ns identifz hunter2 |
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| 12:10.15 | ytrezq | Fudus: I need to send sensitive content |
| 12:10.19 | ytrezq | Hello, How I may use secure DCC with konversation? |
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| 12:15.12 | rdieter_work | ytrezq: right click on another user |
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| 12:41.06 | ytrezq | rdieter_work: I only see normal DCC on it... |
| 12:42.20 | rdieter_work | ytrezq: oh, looks like SDCC is not implemented |
| 12:42.53 | rdieter_work | ytrezq: could ask #konversation , they'd know more |
| 12:44.25 | ytrezq | rdieter_work: All append like if the channel is muter on #konversation. NOBODY TALK! |
| 12:44.38 | ytrezq | rdieter_work: All append like if the channel is muter on #konversation. NOBODY IS TALKING! |
| 12:45.01 | rdieter_work | be patient |
| 12:45.53 | ytrezq | rdieter_work: It make a week I'm repeating my question on the channel. |
| 12:46.09 | rdieter_work | sounds like no one knows then |
| 12:46.44 | rdieter_work | pretty sure it's not currently implemented though |
| 12:47.07 | ytrezq | rdieter_work: Where I can report that bug? |
| 12:47.31 | ytrezq | (DCC as usefull as /query without encryption) |
| 12:47.58 | ytrezq | (DCC is as usefull as /query without encryption) |
| 12:49.23 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, I've had trouble with just regular DCC on konversation, and the 1026-7000 TCP and UDP ports are open on my router/modem , yet DCC receive fails every time and I can't seem to track down thwe problem ...to me it's a useless option on konversation now. |
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| 12:50.31 | gry | some thoughts: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/konversation-devel/2012-December/004747.html - if you have issues, try getting it work in plaintext first perhaps |
| 12:52.06 | rdieter_work | ytrezq: bugs.kde.org (against konversation component) |
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| 13:08.03 | BluesKaj | closes DCC ports, since they're useless anyway |
| 13:09.23 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: it's you problem if DCC doesn't work for you DCC aim at sending things directly without the possibiity of server side listenning... without encryption, DCC support is uselless.. Most well-known irc clents implement it... |
| 13:10.11 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: Do you use ipv6? |
| 13:10.18 | BluesKaj | no |
| 13:10.42 | BluesKaj | my modem router isn't i[pv6 capable |
| 13:12.10 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: because your modem run linux and konversation on it? (It doesn't matter is there's no ipv6 support on the modem itself as long as you use your computer) |
| 13:14.16 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, yes I'm aware of that, but you asked if I use and I don't |
| 13:15.15 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: Can you configure you DCC to automaticlly accept connections? |
| 13:15.25 | BluesKaj | I see your offer to chat in the PM , but the textbox doesn't accept any keystrokes |
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| 13:16.00 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, yes, just did |
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| 13:16.43 | BluesKaj | let me opem the port on my router/modem |
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| 13:18.39 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, try again |
| 13:19.24 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: Oh! i just seen this : DCC is like passive ftp. The nat require to support it. I've just seen special linux kernel modules loaded in my router for it (yes I'm using linux on my mips ADSL router). It appear most NAT implementations support passive FTP, but few support DCC... |
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| 13:21.02 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, my router/modem supports applications such as an irc server port, so I set it up |
| 13:22.13 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: This at the application level and is different from port forwarding. you don't need to set up anything. |
| 13:22.48 | ytrezq | In my case, the file I want to send is likely to trigger some filters and cause an internet access suspension.... |
| 13:22.50 | BluesKaj | yes the nat translation is enabled |
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| 13:23.43 | BluesKaj | and transversal as it's expressed in DCC settings |
| 13:24.30 | BluesKaj | well we could try the DCC chat option as youi suggested |
| 13:24.51 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: nat translation is the same thing than port forwarding :(. If your modem don't support IRC DCC connections, this will still don't work.... |
| 13:25.02 | ytrezq | so disable it. |
| 13:25.48 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, not absolutely sure since it does support IRC applications |
| 13:26.06 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: Where did you saw that? |
| 13:26.14 | ytrezq | and like what applications? |
| 13:26.17 | BluesKaj | that leads me to think it should support DCC |
| 13:26.32 | ytrezq | I mean what kind of applications? |
| 13:28.21 | BluesKaj | in my router/modem it supportsd ports for games, audio/video, voip ..all kinds of apps including user defined |
| 13:29.19 | BluesKaj | servers, PTP etc |
| 13:29.26 | ytrezq | This might be different from nat... What is your modem model? |
| 13:30.03 | BluesKaj | it's a 2wire 2701HG-G |
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| 13:31.42 | BluesKaj | dcc chat failed again , the input textbox is greyed out |
| 13:32.25 | ytrezq | can you provide a link to it's page on the manufacturer website? |
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| 13:35.18 | ytrezq | Many modem support this. This doesn't mean you NAT support DCC. I get a TCP reset from you modem straight after initiating a DCC command to you. Are you really sure the NAT support DCC? |
| 13:35.24 | BluesKaj | http://support.bell.ca/Internet/Products/2Wire-2701-modem |
| 13:37.19 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: IRC is an old protocol and few people use it. That's why more and more manufacturer drop support for IRC DCC in their appliances. |
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| 13:39.40 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, I can count on one hand the number of times some tried to DCC a file to me in the last 5 yrs :) |
| 13:39.48 | BluesKaj | someone |
| 13:40.08 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: never? |
| 13:40.20 | BluesKaj | maybe 4-5 times at the most |
| 13:40.51 | ytrezq | And all were unsuccessful? :) |
| 13:41.39 | BluesKaj | yes |
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| 13:45.28 | ytrezq | You might need to change it... There's 2 way to get be sure t get something compatible: Buy An ADSL compatible Soc (I use BCM6358) and build a board to install linux on it. Or just buy a pci ADSL card and plug it inside you PC. |
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| 13:47.24 | BluesKaj | I'm not too worried about receiving files by DCC , just thought I'd mention the situation |
| 13:47.39 | ytrezq | If you get a linux based modem, make sure you have the nf_nat_irc.ko kernel module inserted... |
| 13:48.34 | ytrezq | sorry for all :) But the next time someone will try to send you a file you can directly say it can't work :) |
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| 13:50.46 | BluesKaj | ytrezq, thanks , now I know fore sure ...my ISP is replacing the 2wires with newer models according to their support staff |
| 13:51.57 | ytrezq | BluesKaj: Because your ISP deny you from using a custom modem? |
| 13:53.33 | BluesKaj | yes, they're very difficult about ppl not using their modems ...already tried , they were totally non cooperative |
| 13:55.55 | wget | Hi guys. Where do I need to ask for changes if an event is invalid for a specified country (Belgium) in the KDE Calendar? |
| 13:56.20 | BluesKaj | lives in a small town with only 2 alternative internet providers |
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| 13:56.50 | Walex | wget: the KDE bugzilla |
| 13:57.25 | Walex | wget: https://bugs.kde.org/ |
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| 13:58.08 | rdieter | wget: I think against kdepimlibs/kholidays |
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| 13:59.07 | rdieter | see also http://community.kde.org/KDE_PIM/KHolidays#Resources |
| 13:59.51 | wget | rdieter: Ok thanks. |
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| 14:07.35 | wget | Youhou already reported. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336044 |
| 14:07.39 | wget | Now confirming the bug |
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| 14:12.19 | wget | Do you know how I can confirm bugs. It seems I've no "canconfirm" priviledges on the KDE Bugzilla instance (yet). |
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| 14:13.49 | rdieter | wget: I think I can do so on your behalf |
| 14:14.20 | matheco0l22 | Hey is the KDE for windows gonna install only the application or the whole KDE? I hope is only the application. |
| 14:14.21 | rdieter | wget: are you CC'd on the bug? |
| 14:14.31 | rdieter | (if not, if you don't mind, please do so) |
| 14:14.44 | wget | rdieter: Ok. Let's do it then. the problem is the same for the mother's day too. I think there is no need to create another bug for mother day too. |
| 14:14.46 | wget | Yes I'm on CC. |
| 14:15.06 | rdieter | wget: I'd suggest adding a comment there about mother's day too then |
| 14:15.16 | wget | ok |
| 14:15.30 | rdieter | nvm, the initial comment there already mentions it |
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| 14:16.12 | svuorela | matheco0l22: kde-for-windows is about the applications, not about the workspace. correct. |
| 14:16.39 | wget | rdieter: Indeed. And I can confirm the mother's day is displayed correctly in my calendar. |
| 14:18.15 | matheco0l22 | Thank you, I've paid for a total windows 8 installation so I don't want to waste money so..... thank you :) |
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| 14:24.51 | movl | hi everyone, I have a problem with my Arch system : after logging in to kde, the mouse cursor disappears; if I create a new user, it works. I tried changing the cursor themes, disabling the desktop effects, removing ~/.kde4, same thing |
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| 14:28.19 | wget | rdieter: Received notification about the bug. Thanks. |
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| 14:29.25 | movl | and now that I read the topic, the #archlinux guys directed me here, and Google didn't help much |
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| 14:38.25 | Walex | movl: does that happen in 'xterm' too? |
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| 14:39.15 | movl | Walex, not sure I understand |
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| 14:39.49 | Walex | movl: open 'xterm' and check whether the mouse is not there either. |
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| 14:40.20 | Walex | movl: BTW you haven't told us whether it is mouse *icon* that is not visible or whether the mouse does not work at all |
| 14:40.58 | movl | mouse works |
| 14:41.06 | movl | just no cursor visible |
| 14:41.16 | movl | one sec, let me try xterm |
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| 14:42.36 | movl | no, doesn't work |
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| 14:58.20 | dyrvere | cool, around 950 other participants voting on the System Settings Design. :) |
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| 14:58.56 | Kitzu | voted :) |
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| 15:17.35 | intracube | hi, I'm having problems using search in kmail because of nepomuk. can anyone explain why system settings says indexing is completed but kmail lists some folders as 'still not indexed'? |
| 15:17.37 | intracube | http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=72627 |
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| 15:19.01 | intracube | actually, I don't know if this is related to the search problem as some of the 'still not indexed' kmail folders show up in searches |
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| 15:24.31 | Walex | intracube: try also (without too much hope) #Kontact |
| 15:24.42 | Walex | intracube: and IIRC there is something like #nepomuk |
| 15:25.11 | Walex | intracube: but it may come down to the various levels of indexing. Some indexing is about metadata, and some about data like message contents. |
| 15:25.51 | intracube | Walex: ah, I saw #kmail was empty but didn't think to try #kontact - thanks |
| 15:26.06 | scummos | nepomuk is dead, indexing in kmail is now done differently |
| 15:26.11 | scummos | and it works much better, too :D |
| 15:26.17 | intracube | Walex: right. but 'indexing complete 100%' should really mean just that |
| 15:26.35 | Walex | intracube: sure, but of what? |
| 15:27.08 | intracube | and I can now see that some folders in kmail are now showing that they've been indexed. but indexing is -very- slow considering the small number of emails |
| 15:27.13 | Walex | intracube: also as <scummos> indicates all the various levels of indexing have changed over time. e.g. strigi is gone, etc. |
| 15:27.29 | intracube | and the search still isn't working. even for folders that show as indexed :/ |
| 15:27.43 | intracube | this might have something to do with running kmail outside of KDE (in xfce) |
| 15:27.44 | scummos | if you can, upgrade to 4.13 |
| 15:27.47 | Walex | intracube: random access? Have you got Maildir/MH style folders? |
| 15:28.04 | Walex | intracube: you are begging for trouble :-) |
| 15:28.12 | scummos | why, that's no problem at all |
| 15:28.20 | Walex | intracube: I index everything with 'recoll' which works well for all. |
| 15:28.42 | Walex | scummos: Maildir/MH is a terrible idea, especially for whole-tree operations. |
| 15:28.57 | Walex | scummos: works well for small collections though :-). |
| 15:28.59 | scummos | no I was referring to running kmail and XFCE |
| 15:29.00 | intracube | scummos: ok, I'll see if 4.13 is available from my distro (on 4.11.5 now_ |
| 15:29.20 | scummos | enhydra: please don't send notices to people if you go away |
| 15:29.35 | intracube | scummos: in the past KDE applications have complained about various back-end services not running - nepomuk, akonadi, etc |
| 15:29.54 | Walex | scummos: yes, 'startkde' does quite a lot of work. |
| 15:30.04 | intracube | but I have enabled 'launch KDE services on startup' in xfce configuration settings |
| 15:30.12 | scummos | that shouldn't be needed |
| 15:30.13 | Walex | scummos: and so does the KDE session manager. |
| 15:30.18 | scummos | kmail starts the services it needs when you launch it |
| 15:30.24 | intracube | but I doubt that it's setting up the environment in the same way as natively starting kde |
| 15:30.52 | Walex | scummos: in an ideal world... where all possible environment combinations are tested... but how many KDE devs run KDE |
| 15:31.02 | Walex | apps outside KDE? |
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| 15:31.11 | scummos | I used to |
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| 15:31.17 | intracube | scummos: is kmail auto-starting needed services new behaviour? in the past it would either complain, or simply fail to work properly |
| 15:31.18 | scummos | never had issues with it |
| 15:31.45 | scummos | not exactly new, but I don't know how long it existed |
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| 15:32.26 | intracube | Walex: and the folders might well be maildir/mh format. how would I check? |
| 15:33.11 | intracube | (the folder structure that fails to search was imported from clawsmail/sylpheed) |
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| 15:44.48 | scummos | turn off the shadow effect |
| 15:46.12 | diegoviola | where |
| 15:46.29 | diegoviola | oh it's in window decorations |
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| 15:56.25 | enhydra | scummos, “kmail and” somehow highlighted me, so you got the message. sorry |
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| 15:56.57 | scummos | ah ok |
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| 16:24.08 | Walex | intracube: if the folder is a directory that contains three subdirectories it is Maildir |
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| 19:11.35 | w00dog | Hi. I've managed to hide / remove the menu from kmixer (CentOS 6.5, KDE 4.10.2) -- anyone know how to get it back? |
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| 19:30.24 | KrazyCod3r | Hey guys, am wondering what are the languages used in KDE developement |
| 19:31.03 | KrazyCod3r | Cause I want to find a one to get really good at so I can help |
| 19:32.28 | xardas008 | KrazyCod3r: mostly C++ and Qt / QML |
| 19:33.11 | KrazyCod3r | xardas008: Alright thanks |
| 19:33.25 | KrazyCod3r | Maybe I should install QT to get used to it |
| 19:34.05 | xardas008 | if you are completly new to programming, start with C++ first and then have a look at Qt because Qt is a framework heavily based on C++ |
| 19:34.23 | KrazyCod3r | Oh no, I have been programming for a year |
| 19:35.40 | xardas008 | then it might be enough to look at the differences between the language you used so far and C++ and then move on to Qt |
| 19:36.00 | KrazyCod3r | Alright |
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| 19:37.15 | xardas008 | on qt-project.org you find quite much documentation on Qt, and Qt has many examples as well. |
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| 19:39.31 | KrazyCod3r | Sounds g ood |
| 19:39.56 | KrazyCod3r | I hope it's easy to use qt framework |
| 19:40.27 | KrazyCod3r | as within easy to learn and get my head around |
| 19:41.09 | xardas008 | the easiest way to learn is read code and try to understand what it does. Then try to modify it a bit, add new features, fix bugs etc. |
| 19:41.29 | xardas008 | KDE code is a great starting point (one which isn't that difficult to set up is f.e. Choqok) |
| 19:43.52 | xardas008 | and the biggest difficulties lay within C++, you need to understand it's core concepts like working with pointers etc. |
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| 19:44.53 | KrazyCod3r | xardas008: Alright, well I think first I will finish reading C++ premier book |
| 19:45.23 | KrazyCod3r | I already know pointers from C |
| 19:45.50 | KrazyCod3r | I think my weak points is OOP |
| 19:46.28 | xardas008 | it takes some time to get it right, but it's worse it |
| 19:46.54 | KrazyCod3r | Yeah |
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| 22:43.29 | w00dog | Hi. I've managed to hide / remove the menu from kmixer (CentOS 6.5, KDE 4.10.2) -- anyone know how to get it back? |
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| 22:49.11 | dyrvere | w00dog: hide the icon as well? starting kmix won't get it back or what? |
| 22:50.45 | scummos | eventually when you right-click the arrow and then look in the config dialog? |
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| 22:55.57 | w00dog | dyrvere: when I bring up the mixer via the volume control, the mixer's there - just no more menu bar. |
| 22:59.35 | dyrvere | w00dog: Menu bar? Like Ctrl+M? |
| 23:00.00 | w00dog | dyrvere: Ctrl+M -- that did it! Thank you! |
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| 23:00.44 | dyrvere | w00dog: ok, remember that keybinding now. :D for konsole it's Ctrl+Shift+M if I remember correct. |
| 23:01.30 | w00dog | still have to get configured the way it was before the last update, but ... key binding remembered |
| 23:02.42 | dyrvere | w00dog: Yeah, let me know if you hit any other snags doing that. |
| 23:03.27 | w00dog | dyrvere: thank you. I do have a couple issues (minor) but ... on phone with mom at moment. Time crawls so slowly. |
| 23:04.46 | dyrvere | Sure does, sometimes. |
| 23:07.39 | w00dog | dyrvere: what's difference between "Independent Devices" vs "Internal Audio"? |
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| 23:09.08 | dyrvere | w00dog: not sure, Independent might be USB/Bluetooth related? |
| 23:10.59 | w00dog | as far as I know, there's only the built-in sound card with front headphone and rear surround outputs (with only cheap stereo speakers attached). I'm trying to get the Playback Streams tab showing, for example, but get "Cannot add view - GUIProfile is invalid" |
| 23:13.16 | dyrvere | w00dog: sorry, no idea what's wrong there. :P |
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| 23:13.55 | w00dog | dyrvere: thanks for the keybinding tip - I might need to get the latest version of KDE and learn a bit more about both it and this new hardware. Cheers! |
| 23:15.08 | dyrvere | w00dog: cool, have fun with KDE :D |
| 23:16.20 | w00dog | kate + konversation will never leave my system, used those even under gnome. Just fumbling around the full desktop some more - and it IS fun! Thanks |
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