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00:24.51NoirSoldatsWhere would I put a command that I need to run when KDE/X starts?
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00:50.21CrypticBytehow do i get kde4 to stop remembering my session.  It slows down my computer when its booting up
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01:03.11doomikusWhere can you configure wake on lan for a NIC in KDE?  I tried editing /etc/network/interfaces only to find it not working and used the GUI applet to configure.  After config, nothing in interfaces the way debian would have had entries.  Now I'd like to figure out a way to add the lines that ethtool entries used to take care of
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03:43.14third3yeIs there such a thing as super-user-command-options?
03:43.29third3yeI want kdesu to use sudo, but not only that: but to use sudo -E
03:43.44third3ye(preserves environment, i.e themes, in this distros case networking, etc)
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03:50.46valoriethird3ye: man kdesudo doesn't show that option
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04:36.48jahdhi all
04:37.57jahdhow can I config a shortcut to choose a window in the taskbar? I mean, like in firefox (alt+1, alt+2, etc) I want to select windows with Meta+1, Meta+2...
04:38.30jahdKde shortcuts are preety customizables, but I can't find that option
04:39.50jahddo you know where can I find it, please?
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04:56.38jahddo you think it can be possible?
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05:06.32weedmichow do I tell kde4 to open new programmes in the middle of the screen?
05:07.16valoriejahd: http://userbase.kde.org/System_Settings/Shortcuts_and_Gestures
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05:11.15thiagoweedmic: where do they open now?
05:14.04jahdvalorie: yes, i know how to change the sortcuts, but I want to find the shortcut of "Select 1st window" and "Select 2nd window" and so on, so I can bind them to Meta+1, Meta+2...
05:14.20jahdthere are many sections (kwin, plasma, etc) and I can't find that
05:15.07valoriethat I don't know
05:15.38valoriejahd: you might ask in #plasma
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05:15.55valorieif they don't know, they can direct you elsewhere
05:16.37jahdok thanks :D
05:16.43jahdvalorie: thanks :D
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05:35.14weedmicjahd: by "
05:35.37weedmicwindow", do you mean screen - like you have 4 screens and want to name each and then go to them with a shortcut?
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08:50.04robotdevilso what exactly does the opengl 3.1 setting do?
08:50.20robotdeviland if I only have 3.0 installed
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08:53.15Sho_robotdevil: mostly different shaders that use some more optimization tricks
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08:58.20robotdevilbut what about the 3.1 and 3.0 difference?
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09:05.17Kalidarnhmm
09:05.29Kalidarni seem to be getting this: Before syncing folder "Calendar" it is necessary to have the resource online. Do you want to make it online?
09:05.38Kalidarnwhen i click "Go Online" nothing happens
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09:05.53Kalidarnany of my CalDavs dont seem to be working
09:06.06Kalidarnit did work at some point though
09:06.17Kalidarnbecause i saw a lot of overdue things on my task list (because it didn't remove them)
09:06.45Kalidarnive tried restarting akonadi too but hasn't helped
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09:11.30Kalidarnhmm maybe i configured it wrong
09:12.19Kalidarnseems to be working much better now i've selected Zimbra instead of manually adding the paths
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09:14.30robotdevilwhat is the eye candy setting that instead of sliding between windows (not desktops) but blows them outward and shuffles through them?
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09:15.11hateballrobotdevil: exposé ?
09:15.22hateballwell that's not the name, its...
09:15.26hateballchecks bindings
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09:16.24hateballrobotdevil: could it be "show desktop grid" ?
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09:16.45hateballI have it configured under global hotkeys -> kwin -> show desktop grid
09:16.52hateball(translated from swedish, so...)
09:17.09hateballnm, I'm an idiot
09:18.10robotdevilthats similar to showing all your workspaces(?) on an  android and I forgot about that so thank you
09:18.18robotdevilbut thats not it
09:19.02robotdevilits sort of like windows cascade but horizontal instead of diagonal
09:19.07hateballrobotdevil: It's probably... alt+f2 -> edges -> show windows
09:19.16hateballI dunno
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09:19.35hateballI have a "hot corner" for showing all windows in a "grid"
09:19.43robotdevilits a function performed by alt tab
09:19.52robotdevilbut not slide
09:19.57hateballaaaaaaah
09:20.23hateballrobotdevil: alt+f2 -> "tab"
09:20.29hateballyou can customize the behavior there
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09:20.36hateballactiviy switching ?
09:20.50hateballnot running english locale, so
09:20.52robotdevilwindow focus
09:21.05robotdevilwindow switching
09:21.19robotdeviloh sorry one sec
09:21.50robotdevilnope
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09:23.18robotdevilah flip switch I think
09:24.48hateballrobotdevil: /usr/bin/kcmshell4 kwintabbox
09:24.55hateballis where I was looking
09:25.00robotdevildo I have to logout to set?
09:25.24robotdevilor do I have to guess which other one is disabling it?
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09:25.35hateballI think it should take effect right away, but might be some settings need a restart of plasma
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09:27.23robotdevilwhat is the diffence of present windows and desktop grid, they have different bindings but appear to do same thing
09:28.02Sho_one desktop vs. all desktops
09:28.16robotdevilahhh
09:28.27robotdevilyes one has a +-
09:29.35Jucatodesktop grid shows your virtual desktops in a grid layout, where you can add/remove virtual desktops. present windows is all about showing your windows, though you can have them be shown per desktop or show all windows on all desktops
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09:31.42robotdevilbrb
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09:34.06robotdevilhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwiD5dILDb4
09:34.10robotdevillike this
09:35.01robotdeviloh theres no goddamn key binding
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09:36.41robotdevilhow to disable "walk through windows"
09:37.31Walexrobotdevil: remove the bindings?
09:37.41Jucatoif you want that effect, you can just choose it as your default "walk through windows" effect
09:38.08JucatoAlt+Tab has several effects available, like the Tab Box, Cover Switch, and that Flip Switch
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09:39.53Jucatohttp://wstaw.org/m/2014/06/17/plasma-desktopHy1461.png
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09:41.54robotdevilso I have to have it enabled in the all effects as well?
09:43.56Jucatoit will do that automatically if you select Flip Switch
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09:46.53robotdevilhttp://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=8qjvgswznj2v7alikj9z.png
09:47.33robotdeviloh I c
09:47.40robotdevilthats a toggle
09:47.46robotdeviljeepers
09:48.31robotdevilwish defaults only worked for current screen
09:49.28robotdevils/screen/section
09:50.39robotdevilyay cover switch, thank you (all)
09:51.45robotdeviltrys to remember what was doing before
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09:53.46robotdeviloh what does the super key control by default, I know it kinda depends on what your distro does but if I set it instead of alt f1, what would it most likely break
09:54.09robotdevili was reading but many say not to set it like that
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09:58.30robotdevilIf I hadnt run into yet was thinking I probably wouldnt miss it
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10:05.30robotdevilIs there any special requirement for vsync? I still get tearing. I am looking on building a xorg that will help nouveau, but until then, I am still getting tearing with it set
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10:09.23leszekrobotdevil: and you tried the various different tearing methods in kwin ? Normally kwin is good in detecting the appropiate tearing prevention automatically. But I guess the nouveau driver is just bad which causes this
10:10.15mgraesslinrobotdevil: we recommend to use the NVIDIA driver, that supports the buffer age extension which is the best for tearing prevention
10:12.16robotdevilleszek: well see I thought for many versions of kde it was good, even without the closed driver, but I recently tried cinnamon desktop and noticed it right away badly. Whether or not it is because of my looking over the DE and then noticing it again in kde, I dont know.
10:13.01robotdevilbut it definitely there
10:14.07robotdevilIf I buy a monitor with the same resolution as tv, it shouldnt be a problem right?
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10:16.59robotdevilHit this one a bit while hanging up receiver
10:17.19robotdevilloves talking to an empty telephone
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10:34.04robotdevilI think I was getting some, but minimal tearing with closed driver as well.
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10:38.13hateballrobotdevil: what resolution related problems are you expecting?
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10:39.08robotdevilcould you rephase that please hateball
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10:39.34hateball"<robotdevil> If I buy a monitor with the same resolution as tv, it shouldnt be a problem right?"
10:39.37hateballa problem for what?
10:39.49robotdevilhorizontal tearing
10:39.53hateballOh
10:41.01robotdevilIts mainly youtube that does it, but my time there is massive
10:41.46robotdeviland I was pretty sure it wasnt doing it in kde before but I could be incorrect
10:41.56Walexrobotdevil: feline themed videos?
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10:43.22robotdevilno furry(?) love here haha
10:43.38robotdevilbut I have watched supercats lol
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10:48.18robotdevilI have a hard time with people when they say they never use youtube, I find it to be extremely entertaining and invaluable
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10:49.46Sho_robotdevil: I use it a lot for music videos
10:50.15Sho_robotdevil: I even have a VPS more or less just to route YouTube and Viki over, since they're both useless in my country
10:51.19robotdevilmusic, learning, illustrating, documentaries
10:51.46nylochi, I have a question how does kmail perform its server capability check for smtp servers (automatic detection of encryption and authentication mechanism)?
10:52.29nylocBecaus it is not working for my server but the server works fine if I set TLS and PLAIN manually.
10:52.59robotdevilSho_: what viki
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10:53.57Sho_robotdevil: It's a combo of a video hosting site + a wiki, what they do is license TV content from countries and allow anyone to subtitle it (so in practice you have teams organizing etc) and then they stream it (legally) to other countries
10:54.09Sho_robotdevil: IOW, it allows you to watch TV shows in languages you can't understand
10:55.14robotdevilneat, that would be handy
10:56.04Sho_robotdevil: It's pretty cool because the subtitle quality is really high, crowdsourcing turns out to work really well for this because the contributors do it for the right reasons (share with fans, promote their own culture, what have you)
10:56.15Sho_So they're motivated
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10:57.13robotdevilgood, its nice to see things work like that
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10:57.48robotdevilregional lock sucks in all forms :p
10:58.46robotdevildoes mplayer still have the lookup subtitles feature?
10:59.07robotdevilI thought that was a sweet idea
11:00.09Sho_robotdevil: various players can search on opensubtitles these days yeah
11:00.23Sho_robotdevil: but viki is closer to the source since for a lot of shows the subs effectively get generated there
11:00.41Sho_so if you're actively following a show you can get it there fastest
11:00.56robotdevillikes subtitles in own language too, useful when ppl wont be quiet
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11:01.43Sho_robotdevil: I like subtitles in the same language as the audio when I'm learning a language
11:02.08Sho_It reduces the stress of listening and understanding simultaneously while you're not good yet
11:02.40robotdevilright
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11:03.25robotdevilloves when channels dont police when not busy
11:04.33Sho_I'm a chanop here, but I agree community feeling is important and when it's not getting in the way ..
11:04.40Sho_but speaking of support inquiries
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11:04.45Sho_nyloc: #kontact might know better
11:05.15robotdevilthanks for your help and chit chat :)
11:05.32nylocSho_: thanks, I will try there while I whireshark on my interface :P
11:05.35robotdevilgotta get back to turning off head parking
11:05.41robotdevil......
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13:25.56robotdevilsooooo need this for kde   http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=256zmoymm179nbrs8s5o.png
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13:27.32Bruce_Auyeunghi, everyone.
13:28.18Bruce_Auyeungcan qml upload a local file to a remote server ?
13:28.39Bruce_Auyeungcan qml in a plasmoid  upload a local file to a remote server ?
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13:45.36haz1hi all - i've somehow managed to get a Calendar stuck on the upper left corner of my screen. i've tried clicking "add widgets" and hovering over it to remove find the delete button, but i don't see it (the button)
13:45.51haz1- remove
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16:21.49lordievaderGood evening.
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17:37.31AienaI am trying to figure out how KDE mouts disks in /var/run. Udisksctl mounts in /run/media not /var/run/media is there way to mount to same area as non root from terminal ?
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17:40.24Aienais /var/run a symbolic link to /run ?
17:40.52anon1269how is phonon's future?
17:41.00anon1269will kf5 strip it or keep it
17:41.26Aienaanon1269 phonon is KDE's so kf5 will definitely keep it as far as I know
17:41.35Aienathe QT phonon is rusting but not KDE's
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17:41.56anon1269I've told they're going to replace it with qt5-multimedia?
17:42.06AienaAnyway you can run kf5 with the Neon VM and see
17:42.34Aienahmm if that is the case then it would be bad
17:42.35Sho_anon1269: KF5 and Plasma 5 use Phonon
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17:43.02rdieterAiena: /var/run is symlink to /run on my fedora 20 box, yes
17:43.15Aienardieter yes its looks like that is the case
17:43.25Aienabut I can access my external hdd from both
17:43.47Aienathe funny thing is if I use udiskctl from terminal KDE gui cannot unmout the drive from var/run
17:43.55Aienardieter I am on suse 13.1 so also rpm based
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17:45.23Aienahmm no
17:45.26Aienaits not KDE
17:46.18Aienahmm it was bash using the disk
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17:46.28Aienaso yeah its identical
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20:40.32jiffiesanyone know how to hide the bottom toolbar in Kdevelop?
20:41.05scummosjiffies: bottom toolbar?
20:41.21jiffieshold on
20:41.29scummosthe bottom dock thing?
20:41.46scummosyou can right-click on the menu bar and untick it -- but don't rely on it, it's an unfeature which we eventually want to remove
20:41.49scummosbut for now, it works :D
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20:44.21jiffieshttp://imgur.com/sYKRADj
20:44.23jiffiesthat one
20:44.40scummosah yes, see above
20:45.33jiffiesI can't untick it though
20:45.39scummosjiffies: why?
20:45.39jiffiesI can only add buttons
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20:45.56scummosjiffies: you have to actually right-click the *menu* bar
20:45.58scummosthe one in the top
20:46.19jiffiesaaaaaaah
20:46.24jiffiesthanks man
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21:23.51Aluminok, so this is pretty OCD even for me, but...is it possible to tweak the mouse focus policy settings further than what's available in the KDE control center?
21:25.14Aluminwhat I'm hoping to achieve is a focus policy where all new windows a) appear at the top of the stack ("raised"), and b) do not receive focus (even if they appear under the mouse)
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21:37.21suseHey, I get no operating system found. However, the OS boots perfectly well when I select "boot hard drive" form a live cd? Thoughts its an optimus set up (L502x).
21:39.36Aluminsuse: sounds like your OS partition isn't marked as bootable
21:39.37dazsuse: seems like you don't have bootloader record in your mbr
21:40.07Aluminsuse: you can set that flag in a partitioning tool (parted, fdisk, etc.)
21:40.23Aluminactually, forget I said fdisk
21:40.33dazcfdisk ;3
21:40.51Aluminit's time to say goodbye to that style of partition table
21:40.58Aluminso yeah, parted :)
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21:43.29susehttp://pastebin.com/TeuSpYJm
21:43.49suseit say boot though, for my root partition. Or do I need a /boot
21:44.04Aluminhuh
21:44.07Aluminno, that looks right
21:44.23AluminI mean, if you had a /boot, that's what should be bootable
21:44.59Aluminbut it's not necessary.  The only reasons to have /boot are if your hardware can't handle the full size of the disk, or if your partitions are in formats that your bootloader can't handle
21:45.12rriosHey there. Dolphin, for some reason, is starting frozen and it remains frozen for a while until I can use it. Anyone experiencing the same problem?
21:45.33rriosI'm running SC 4.13
21:45.38rrios4.13.0
21:45.45suseAlumin: I'm wondering if it has something to do with my laptop: (L502x). I tend to have weird things happen when booting linux systems.
21:46.41suseFor both Ubuntu and Debain, I would have to boot multiple times before it wouldn't get stuck on the black splash after *Dell* screen
21:47.26Aluminwhere did you install your boot loader?  MBR, or first partition?
21:47.53Aluminpersonally I prefer it in the MBR, but full disclosure I'm not an expert in such matters
21:48.33suseI've tried all of them using YaST
21:48.34Aluminyou _did_ install a boot loader...?
21:48.37Aluminheh
21:48.43Aluminbecause that would also explain the symptoms
21:49.12suseYeah xD, I get the boot screen after hitting boot hard drive from the live cd.
21:49.30Aluminwell, that's 'cause the live cd has a boot loader
21:49.44Aluminoh oh I get it
21:49.48Aluminhmmm
21:50.15Aluminyou didn't somehow take the hard drive out of the BIOS/UEFI boot order?
21:50.21AluminI'm just grabbing at straws now
21:50.35scummosmost possible error conditions tend to give an error message ...
21:50.51suseIf I did, I didn't on purpose ;P
21:50.52Aluminyeah, that's the trouble with problems this early in the boot process
21:51.05susescummos, what log would have that?
21:51.15scummosdunno, usually it gets printed on the screen
21:51.20AluminBIOS/UEFI troubleshooting is a giant PITA because they don't deign to have, I dunno, troubleshooting tools of any kind
21:51.49suseI think its still in bios when it locks up, it throws "No operating system found."
21:52.19Aluminside rant...it's 2014, they make full-blown graphical boot loaders with mouse support, but nobody sees the benefit in including USB storage support for the BIOS to write a dang log file
21:52.29Aluminor print a message on the screen even
21:52.46suseAlumin, I honestly believe its the stupid NVIDIA optimus setup
21:53.14scummosif it says "No OS found" in big font, it's usually the BIOS not finding a bootloader
21:53.16Aluminyeah, I had a bit of trouble with that when I did my most recent install
21:53.22scummosnot the OS itself failing to boot
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21:53.32Aluminscummos: yeah, that's what I was thinking
21:53.46scummosmake sure you install the loader on /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1 or so
21:54.09AluminI'm not sure enough of that to tell him he's mistaken when he says he installed one, but that _is_ what it looks like :)
21:54.15sinmaHey, I was wondering if it’s possible to make a script that set the alt-tab order the same as those used in icontasks
21:54.16dyrvereAlumin: If they only did this, in the factory for us. http://kroah.com/log/blog/2013/09/02/booting-a-self-signed-linux-kernel/
21:54.23sinmaI mean a Kwin script
21:55.40suseAlumin, http://pastebin.com/5d72hWNB that would mean I have a boot loader?
21:55.54scummosno
21:56.00scummosit doesn't have much to do with it
21:56.06Aluminsuse: that means you have the GRUB software installed on your system
21:56.16scummosif the loader doesn't have its ... loading code installed in the place where the BIOS looks, it will do nothing
21:56.27Aluminit doesn't confirm that the actual boot loader software is installed into the...uh...magic place where the BIOS looks for it
21:56.30scummosyou can try grub2-install /dev/sda
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21:56.44scummosif /dev/sda is the disk you want to overwrite the bootloader on
21:56.48Aluminthink of it like a driver
21:56.57Aluminyou can download catalyst.zip but it won't do anything until you install it
21:57.05scummos... similar to that xD
21:57.14Aluminvery loose analogy lol
21:57.55Aluminbut yeah, grub-install is what you want (possibly called "grub2-install" depending on distro naming scheme)
21:58.17AluminI mean, you'd assume that the SUSE install process would take care of that
21:58.31Aluminbut yeah, based solely on the behaviour you're reporting, it seems suspect
21:58.41scummosonly if you click the right button
21:58.44susehttp://pastebin.com/aqvzv1e0
21:58.48scummosit's easy enough to get it wrong
21:59.12scummosoh it's a GPT table
21:59.16suseso I need to add a bios boot partition
21:59.18scummosdoes grub even work with those?
21:59.19scummosis clueless
21:59.43Alumingrub2 does
21:59.50Alumin(grub 1.x might as well, I don't know)
21:59.55scummosok
22:00.03scummosanyways, GPT, I'm out, no idea about that ;)
22:00.04scummosgood luck
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22:00.25susehah sounds good :)
22:01.35Aluminsuse: I'm afraid I've never seen that before, apparently GPT is fancier than I thought
22:01.55Aluminthis post makes it sound like perhaps SUSE didn't set something up that it should have?  https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/grub2-does-not-boot-with-gpt-4175414534/
22:02.49Aluminnow, what you could potentially do is re-partition the disk with an msdos (the "familiar" style) partition table
22:03.31Aluminthat would be as a workaround to re-partitioning with something that knows GPT well enough to create the necessary metadata ("BIOS Boot Partition", etc.)
22:04.06Alumintrouble with that is that creating an actual new partition, which probably has to be at the beginning of the disk, might disturb your existing installation(s)
22:04.26Aluminhence why I suggested overwriting with an msdos partition table
22:05.15Aluminanyway, point being, that page I linked shows somebody with a GPT partition table successfully getting up and running by doing grub-install
22:05.36Aluminbut he had a "BIOS Boot Partition", whereas I don't see one in the partition table listing you pastebin-ed
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22:09.23suseAlumin, just for info: http://pastebin.com/ZQ4gaFi6
22:09.35suseit tells me to use yast xD
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22:11.28Aluminah...well, that's not necessarily unreasonable, maybe it knows how to gracefully resolve the situation
22:12.07Aluminif it can gracefully nudge your other partitions two MiB forward, create that other utility partition, and do the magic, then more power to it :)
22:12.34susesome guy suggested me blowing away the GPT and that it should work :3
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23:57.44cythrawllso, I can't seem to get a regular picture as my background, all I hae to choose from the wallpaper dialog are virus, pattern, picture of the day, mandelbrot, globe, weather
23:57.50cythrawlli just want an image

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