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| 03:30.10 | viscera | And "put each window into a corner". |
| 03:30.26 | viscera | So that the windows overlap but each has a corner (up to 4 windows of course). |
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| 06:14.00 | twb | In parley there is a "download" option, which defaults to edu.kde.org. I'm giving parley to inmates in an airgapped prison -- can I tell parley to look for "downloads" on a local server? |
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| 06:14.31 | twb | Plan B is to download them into /usr/share/applications/kde which appears to be the default location for the "open" (cf. "download") button. |
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| 06:22.26 | karthikp | twb: I assume whitelisting kde.org or even edu.kde.org isn't an option... |
| 06:23.12 | twb | At least some prisons are completely airgapped |
| 06:23.30 | twb | So yeah, not an option |
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| 06:23.40 | karthikp | I don't know enough about the internals of Parley to answer your question, but just wanted to point out that in case no one shows up to answer your question here, do post it on the mailing list, or file a bug/wishlist to allow arbitrary repositories to download from. |
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| 06:23.49 | twb | Righto |
| 06:24.13 | twb | Plan B might actually just be to change DNS so that edu.kde.org resolves to the local server |
| 06:24.30 | twb | I'm about to pull apart parley to see if the URL is compiled in, or just in a config file I can edit |
| 06:24.34 | karthikp | Yeah, or patch the code before compiling to replace all instances of edu.kde.org to a local server. |
| 06:24.53 | karthikp | You're ahead of me there. :) |
| 06:29.15 | twb | Hm, that's weird. http://sprunge.us/UBVc?sh -- when I do that, the ones with spaces in them don't work, e.g. |
| 06:29.15 | twb | http://edu.kde.org/contrib/kvtml2/exam/18th Century Prime Ministers.kvtml: 2014-07-04 16:21:52 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 06:29.31 | twb | but wget 'http://edu.kde.org/contrib/kvtml2/exam/18th Century Prime Ministers.kvtml' works. |
| 06:29.37 | twb | I guess that's a weirdness in how wget -i works |
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| 06:30.51 | twb | 's/ /%20/g' works, so I've stopped caring. |
| 06:30.51 | karthikp | That's how shells would deal with spaces. Another option is to escape the spaces with backslashes before them. |
| 06:31.21 | karthikp | That also works. :) |
| 06:32.07 | twb | There's no shell, it's passing the stream directly from sed to wget -i- |
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| 06:32.14 | twb | But meh |
| 06:36.52 | twb | Aha, /usr/share/kde4/config/parley.knsrc has the URLs |
| 06:37.28 | twb | I'll just change that to file:///srv/share/... |
| 06:38.23 | viscera | I have a security/privacy problem with my KDE setup. I have a session with user X. I then switch user to user Y. When I logout of user Y's session, I am returned to user X's locked screen, but right before the lock screen displays there is a glimpse of user X's running session. How can I make it so that glimpse never happens? I don't want people to be able to peek into a locked session. KDE 4.12.5 |
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| 06:40.57 | function9 | anyone know how I can get superkaramba to start at login with my theme? |
| 06:41.16 | function9 | system monitor theme rather |
| 06:41.34 | twb | function9: you probably want to look for a control panel called something like "session" |
| 06:42.00 | twb | (just guessing; I'm not a kde guy) |
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| 06:48.49 | function9 | i'll try my best to write a bash script and add it to auto start |
| 06:48.59 | function9 | brb re login |
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| 06:52.45 | twb | karthikp: mua ha ha! sed -rsi 's%http://%file:///srv/share/%' /usr/share/kde4/config/*.knsrc |
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| 06:53.01 | karthikp | viscera: As I understand it, when wayland replaces X, these kinds of problems will disappear. But for now, I don't think there is much to be done. |
| 06:53.08 | twb | Then I just need to work out the best way to download the downloadables -- wget -k is kinda sucky, rsync or something would be nice... |
| 06:53.16 | twb | Knowing KDE it's probably svn :-/ |
| 06:53.46 | karthikp | twb: Used to be. Now, most of the projects are either in git or moving to git. |
| 06:54.00 | karthikp | You want to check out projects.kde.org/ |
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| 06:55.59 | function9 | twb: I think your right. I got the program starting at startup, but that is not the location I want the program to be in. I gotta look how to save the last session on kde |
| 06:56.27 | karthikp | function9: Doesn't kde automatically save your session? |
| 06:56.40 | function9 | kar: no :( |
| 06:56.45 | twb | karthikp: cool, I never liked svn |
| 06:56.46 | karthikp | alt+f2 and search "session". This should open Session Management. |
| 06:57.32 | karthikp | twb: Me neither, but I feel my opinion isn't valid as by the time I was tinkering, git was the hot thing™ already. |
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| 06:57.52 | function9 | karthikp: brb re login |
| 06:57.56 | twb | I went rcs -> darcs -> git, being made to use hg and bzr and some svn along the way |
| 06:59.11 | karthikp | The only svn command I've ever used is svn co. :) Forgot why I even needed to download an svn repo, though... |
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| 07:00.05 | karthikp | Hard to believe that was just a decade back. Now git's muscle memory for me... |
| 07:02.05 | function9 | thanks guys. :) it works. http://i.imgur.com/W5wyYIw.png |
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| 07:02.41 | karthikp | function9: Be careful to keep that script's permissions +x. |
| 07:03.18 | karthikp | I remember a bug a while back that if the script were not executable, it tries to spawn the default editor, which is kate/kwrite and basically maxes CPU upon login. |
| 07:03.43 | function9 | ok thanks |
| 07:03.58 | karthikp | So, always make sure that a script you add to autostart is executable. There probably ought to be a check on the kde side... |
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| 07:04.39 | function9 | karthikp: I used session management, like you suggest. works like a charm. I deleted my script |
| 07:04.50 | function9 | karthikp: many thanks |
| 07:05.00 | karthikp | I figured it would. I depend on it. :) |
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| 07:13.08 | viscera | karthikp: please don't take this the wrong way, but the problem doesn't happen with GNOME |
| 07:14.03 | viscera | maybe it's the way KDE hooks into X11? |
| 07:14.16 | karthikp | I understand. In my experience, it happens very intermittently. It's probably some detail in how the kscreenlocker is implemented. |
| 07:14.47 | viscera | it's happening each time, here |
| 07:14.54 | karthikp | Right. And now, much of the kwin work is apparently directed towards preparing for wayland. Even the kwin binary is now called kwin_x11, I hear. |
| 07:15.40 | hateball | fwiw, it happens every time for me as well |
| 07:17.14 | karthikp | viscera: Google brings this up with users complaining on gnome and xfce as well. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/390989 |
| 07:17.55 | karthikp | The bug report notes that it's an X issue. (Also is marked as fixed, oddly) |
| 07:19.24 | mgraesslin | ensure that the screen is locked before starting to VT switch |
| 07:19.37 | mgraesslin | that's the only way to ensure the content is not exposed |
| 07:20.35 | hateball | I don't have to switch VT for it to happen. I lock screen, go do something else, blank screensaver kicks in, slap the mouse around a bit when I return, a glimpse of underlying desktop shows |
| 07:20.54 | viscera | :-\ |
| 07:21.17 | mgraesslin | that shouldn't happen - if the lock screen is in place it should be black all the time |
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| 07:22.00 | mgraesslin | hateball: are you using compositing? |
| 07:22.11 | hateball | mgraesslin: I am, yes. Intel chipset on this particular machine |
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| 07:22.33 | mgraesslin | my guess would have been it's related to no compositing |
| 07:22.34 | viscera | same here |
| 07:22.42 | karthikp | imagines the version of kwin may also be important... |
| 07:22.52 | mgraesslin | no kwin has nothing to do with that |
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| 07:23.52 | karthikp | Oh, never mind, then. My idea was that perhaps a bug was fixed in 4.10, but some users may be on debian incrediblystable and running 4.0.1 or something. |
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| 07:24.14 | karthikp | (no offense to debian users, of course.) :) |
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| 07:24.27 | hateball | well I am on 4.13 so :) |
| 07:24.37 | karthikp | There goes that theory. |
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| 07:24.51 | mgraesslin | which is irrelevant as kscreenlocker & co is at 4.11 |
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| 07:25.46 | viscera | Mine is Fedora 20 x86_64 |
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| 07:41.11 | Michael07__ | Using a Thinkpad X240 and kUBUNTU 14.04, I can't get the touchpad usable or at least switchjed off, keeping the mouse buttons working. Tried several links describing this issue and finally I'm thinking of a KDE-issue now, as other UBUNTUs or MINT 17 Cinnamon behave much better. More details and results of my test are here: http://paste.kde.org/phl0clkzl. I'm new to LINUX and would appreciate, if somebody would help. |
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| 07:42.13 | karthikp | Michael07__: Are you trying to disable the touchpad when you type? |
| 07:44.03 | Michael07__ | karthikp: NO, couldn't get this working. As soon as a finger only approches the pad (not even touching), the cursors starts "dancing", windows are jumping ... |
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| 07:45.08 | Michael07__ | karthikp: The configuration seems impossible, as not all settings are accepted here, ref.: http://paste.kde.org/phl0clkzl |
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| 07:49.25 | karthikp | I see. I can help you get started on playing with options. |
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| 07:50.25 | karthikp | The way we tinker with touchpads is using this command called synclient. If you have a terminal open and type in 'synclient -l' it lists the values for all the available options. |
| 07:50.49 | karthikp | Then, you can try out different values for each variable by saying, synclient <variable>=<value> |
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| 07:52.05 | karthikp | Meanwhile, my google searches have turned this up: http://mydevelopedworld.wordpress.com/2013/11/30/how-to-configure-new-lenovo-x240-touchpad-on-ubuntu-13-10/ |
| 07:52.54 | karthikp | So, the idea is to play with synclient to see just which variables you need to change and to make it permanent, write it in a configuration file and drop that into /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/. Or issue the synclient command every time you log in. |
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| 07:55.41 | karthikp | And a second blog with a similar solution: http://www.librador.com/2014/04/10/Configure-Lenovo-Thinkpad-X240-Trackpad-in-Linux-Mint/ |
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| 08:01.38 | Michael07__ | karthikp: Thanks, but your URLs (and some more) I already mentioned in my list at http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/thinkpad-x240-clickpad/#post-6764127, first posting. There are different behaviors between kUBUNTU and xUBUNTU! Some settings mentioned in these URLs (f.e. "TouchpadOff") are not even stored, checking it with synclient afterwords ... |
| 08:02.11 | karthikp | I see. |
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| 08:03.25 | karthikp | If settings aren't being stored, it's probably because some program is overwriting it. |
| 08:07.05 | Michael07__ | karthikp: Don't think so. Running the terminal and only "synclient TouchpadOff = X" (x=0/1/2), I could proove, thta it is impossible to set it to 0 or 1, if it has been 2 once a time. This is only with kUBUNTU, not with UBUNTU or MINT. |
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| 08:09.57 | karthikp | It's very likely that this is a problem specific to kubuntu, then. If you haven't already, do ask on #kubuntu and they may have a better idea of how to solve this. |
| 08:10.43 | karthikp | You can confirm that it's some kde-related problem by installing a simple window manager like twm and logging into that and checking if your settings work. |
| 08:11.06 | karthikp | If they do, then, the base system is fine and something is wrong within kubuntu. |
| 08:11.22 | karthikp | I mean, within the kde/plasma desktop. |
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| 08:12.55 | Michael07__ | karthikp: I asked first at #kubuntu, they sent me here. |
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| 08:16.28 | karthikp | Michael07__: Oh dear. Sorry we're just bouncing you back and forth. :) |
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| 08:17.32 | karthikp | Incidentally, if ubuntu works, you could install kde on top of ubuntu. Maybe that's the simpler solution here. |
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| 08:18.29 | karthikp | It appears there are three options in ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE |
| 08:18.38 | hateball | it's just an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop away |
| 08:18.42 | Michael07__ | karthikp: I'm new to LINUX and don't understand what you mean with TWM. I can see in the terminal, that some settings are not taken. This is what i did: Line 1-> synclient TouchpadOff: Answer 0. Line 2-> synclient TouchpadOff=2. Line 3-> synclient TouchpadOff: Answer 2. Line 4-> synclient TouchpadOff=1. Line 5-> synclient TouchpadOff, Answer 2 |
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| 08:22.52 | karthikp | Michael07__: I have an idea. Did you set the soft button areas option before trying to disable the touch pad? |
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| 08:24.17 | karthikp | If not, try this. First, type, synclient SoftButtonAreas="60% 0 0 5% 40% 60% 0 5%" |
| 08:24.53 | karthikp | Then try synclient TouchPadOff=0 or whatever you're trying. |
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| 08:25.18 | karthikp | My idea is that maybe the regions for clicking need to be defined before you can say turn off everything but clicking. |
| 08:29.56 | Michael07__ | karthikp: SoftButtonAreas are not mentioned in my actual 50-synaptics.conf. I'll try out your recommendation. |
| 08:30.59 | karthikp | Use alt+f2 and type #synaptics to bring up the synaptics man page. |
| 08:31.32 | karthikp | You can read the details of each property that you can modify with synclient. |
| 08:33.50 | AndrzejL | eh I forgot what it means to report a bug upstream... |
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| 08:34.28 | AndrzejL | anyone here using mime shared 1.3.1 and the latest kde4 / dolphin + some other file manager? |
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| 08:34.43 | AndrzejL | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80877 |
| 08:35.00 | AndrzejL | I was told its a dolphin regression... |
| 08:35.23 | AndrzejL | and I dont feel like installing extra crap on top of my kde today... |
| 08:38.32 | karthikp | AndrzejL: I'm on arch, so I've got 1.3.1. Lemme check this out. |
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| 08:39.49 | karthikp | Hmm, nope. Can't reproduce. The .iso file says raw CD image on the info panel and open with offers ark, which I think means things are working as expected. |
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| 08:40.06 | karthikp | You mentioned the arch iso. I'll try that, too. |
| 08:40.10 | AndrzejL | so iso works as expected in dolphin? |
| 08:40.44 | AndrzejL | karthikp: cool beans - try it please and thank you |
| 08:41.34 | karthikp | http://i.imgur.com/w7TxOLb.png |
| 08:42.00 | karthikp | I knew that matlab iso will come in handy someday... :) |
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| 08:42.43 | AndrzejL | hahaha |
| 08:42.54 | AndrzejL | ok :D arch linux iso then ;D |
| 08:43.17 | karthikp | 5% done... |
| 08:43.26 | karthikp | Just five minutes away. |
| 08:43.40 | Michael07__ | karthikp: Sorry, synclient SoftButtonAreas "..." results in "Invalid command: SoftButtonAreas |
| 08:44.59 | AndrzejL | karthikp: thanks I can wait no prob. |
| 08:45.09 | karthikp | Really? Hmm. How do the values look in synclient -l? We may have given the values in the wrong format. |
| 08:45.18 | AndrzejL | sitting here waiting for plumber anyway ;D |
| 08:46.28 | AndrzejL | eh I broke and installed pcmanfm... |
| 08:46.29 | AndrzejL | :D |
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| 08:47.58 | karthikp | 65% done and Dolphin has no issues treating it like an ISO file... http://i.imgur.com/hEhbOgG.png |
| 08:48.19 | Michael07__ | karthikp: No line SoftButtonAreas in "synclient -l". AreaLeftEdge (and right, top, bottom) all 0, same all MiddleButtonAreaXYZ. |
| 08:48.28 | karthikp | Meanwhile, have you looked in ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list? |
| 08:48.32 | karthikp | AndrzejL: ^ |
| 08:48.48 | karthikp | That file stores all the overrides you've set for various file types. |
| 08:49.01 | karthikp | Maybe you have an override for iso files? |
| 08:49.37 | karthikp | 100%. No change in behavior. Dolphin works as expected. |
| 08:50.06 | AndrzejL | karthikp: what am I looking for in there? |
| 08:50.23 | karthikp | Lemme show you mine. |
| 08:50.31 | AndrzejL | ok that would be awesome |
| 08:50.44 | AndrzejL | maybe I need to rm mine and get it to recreate itself |
| 08:50.48 | karthikp | http://paste.kde.org/pf9uk1ile |
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| 08:51.16 | karthikp | See how I've asked for mplayer to be the default player for most video formats? |
| 08:52.48 | karthikp | So, I thought maybe you have set some defaults for dealing with iso files (application/x-cd-image). |
| 08:53.16 | AndrzejL | karthikp: http://pastebin.com/eCGZtqJs |
| 08:53.22 | AndrzejL | mine is bigger ;D |
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| 08:54.26 | karthikp | Ah. Right at the top, it says x-cd-image should be opened with k3b. Hmm, so opening with kwrite is odd behavior... What does dolphin describe the type as? Plaintext? |
| 08:54.47 | AndrzejL | Indeed |
| 08:54.56 | AndrzejL | # that line? |
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| 08:55.51 | karthikp | Maybe? |
| 08:56.05 | karthikp | And for sanity check, does file agree? |
| 08:56.38 | karthikp | http://pastebin.com/8knun2TJ |
| 08:57.20 | karthikp | Uh, okay, strike all that. |
| 08:57.32 | karthikp | My dolphin window has been open for a long time. |
| 08:57.46 | karthikp | I closed and reopened it and lo and behold. plain text document. :( |
| 08:58.16 | karthikp | http://i.imgur.com/FMlNc2a.png |
| 08:58.56 | karthikp | AndrzejL: Bug confirmed and reproduced. |
| 08:59.19 | AndrzejL | :D |
| 08:59.24 | AndrzejL | Yeeehaaaw |
| 08:59.30 | AndrzejL | welcome to the rodeo ;D |
| 09:00.01 | AndrzejL | do you have nautilus installed? |
| 09:01.16 | AndrzejL | I am gonna remove pcmanfm... fm should stand for foolish manager ;D |
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| 09:01.49 | Michael07__ | karthikp: I set the first 4 parameters RBL, RBR, RBT, RBB as you mentioned. The fifth MBL results in "Bad value ... out of range), didn't try MBR, MBT, MBB. Nevertheless tried synclient TouchpadOff: Impossible to change from "2". |
| 09:02.20 | karthikp | Nope, I only have dolphin. |
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| 09:03.19 | AndrzejL | he is right |
| 09:03.33 | AndrzejL | Nautilus is picking up iso files just fine. |
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| 09:06.04 | karthikp | Does shared-mime-info provide a file-like command that you can run in a shell and just ask what type of file it thinks something is? |
| 09:07.39 | karthikp | In any case, this does appear to be a bug in Dolphin. |
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| 09:08.31 | AndrzejL | will find out soon enough ;D |
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| 09:14.51 | Guest08763 | I am trying to use the kde basket program but am having problems with grouping notes -- the order of the members of the group always comes out wrong and I can't seem to fix the order |
| 09:15.05 | Guest08763 | can anyone help me with this? |
| 09:15.18 | Michael07__ | karthikp: Any other idea with that touchpad? |
| 09:16.33 | Guest08763 | Can anyone here help me out with the kde "Basket Note Pads" program? |
| 09:17.20 | karthikp | Michael07__: Not really. As I said, in the worst case, try installing ubuntu and then followed by kde. |
| 09:17.39 | Guest08763 | no or you need to go to ... are answers |
| 09:17.56 | Guest08763 | googling didn't help |
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| 09:20.30 | karthikp | Sleep, here I come. :) |
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| 09:23.11 | Guest08763 | I would appreciate it if someone would at least answer me even if just to say "I don't know anything about Basket Note Pads" |
| 09:23.33 | AndrzejL | ok guys |
| 09:23.35 | AndrzejL | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337035 |
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| 09:24.27 | Guest08763 | AndrzejL: can you help? |
| 09:25.51 | AndrzejL | let me check the backlog and I will let you know but let me also add I am waiting for a plumber so I might dissappear |
| 09:26.23 | Guest08763 | good luck with the plumber |
| 09:26.40 | AndrzejL | thanks man - I have no idea about basket app |
| 09:26.44 | AndrzejL | sorry |
| 09:26.53 | Guest08763 | well thank you for at least ansering |
| 09:26.56 | Guest08763 | answering |
| 09:27.01 | AndrzejL | sure no worries |
| 09:27.30 | Guest08763 | do you think there is anyone here who might be able to help there doesn't seem to be a channel specifically for it |
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| 09:30.12 | AndrzejL | Its hard to say. |
| 09:30.46 | AndrzejL | Problem with irc is - they are all volunteers - users just like us. So they may just be idling / doing their things. |
| 09:31.34 | AndrzejL | if they will know - they would help. I would try kde forum as you may have a better chance of getting answer there. |
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| 09:34.58 | Guest08763 | AndrzejL: is kde forum something you have to join in order to ask questions? If so that won't work. |
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| 09:39.30 | AndrzejL | huh? why not? |
| 09:39.52 | AndrzejL | Cant you just register / sign in / ask question? :) |
| 09:42.26 | Guest08763 | There is nothing mentioned in previous forum entries. |
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| 09:43.25 | scummos | that's why you can create a new one ;) |
| 09:43.53 | Guest08763 | there were only 3 mentions and none substantive. one just mentioned that it was buggy |
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| 09:46.13 | AndrzejL | thats why you can create another entry |
| 09:46.21 | AndrzejL | a new one - with your question |
| 09:46.38 | AndrzejL | and if someone from kde community knows the answer they will reply |
| 09:47.03 | AndrzejL | again - if they know the answer and have time. Be patient. Sorry - thats how it works. |
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| 09:49.31 | Guest08763 | maybe it is just too buggy |
| 09:50.39 | Guest08763 | AndrzejL: would you happen to know of a good stable hierarchical note taking or outlining app? |
| 09:51.16 | Guest08763 | or will I have to use dosemu and excellent ones from early DOS days? |
| 09:52.02 | scummos | hahaha doesmu |
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| 09:59.52 | Guest08763 | I know, if that isn't desperation what is? |
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| 10:33.23 | lordievader | Good afternoon. |
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| 10:34.25 | Cymew | Guest08763: I'd suggest emacs and org-mode. Nothing KDE related, but it works like a charm |
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| 10:34.50 | AndrzejL | guys... |
| 10:34.53 | AndrzejL | http://daserste.ndr.de/panorama/aktuell/nsa230_page-1.html |
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| 10:35.33 | AndrzejL | IF you are reading Linux Journal OR if You have ever typed in "tor" or "vpn" in your browser - you're an extremist and on the NSA watch list... |
| 10:35.46 | Cymew | BTW, when asking a question. Waiting at least 30 min before reposting/reminding is probably a good idea. Remember timezones, jobs and other things might step in and take time from irc... |
| 10:36.01 | AndrzejL | Happy Independence Day to all the Americans... :D |
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| 10:39.10 | Ardonik | Two years now, my goodness. |
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| 11:16.51 | wizibe | Hi, is it possible to use krunner to search files by tags? |
| 11:16.54 | bbear | hello ppl. I use kde 4 and archlinux (last version everything up to date). My trouble starts because I cannot save screen settings between two shutdown of my machine (I actually have two screens, but the output is unified each time I reboot despite saying to save default setting to the computer). How could I fix this ? |
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| 11:22.47 | bbear | here is my ./share/config/krandrrc : http://pastie.org/9354270 thanks guy. I'm afraid it would be erased each time kde is starting again but I'm not sure. |
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| 11:23.38 | bbear | And what's with this \n ? in the first string, that's not really normal, am I wrong or not ? |
| 11:29.32 | Cymew | pate broken |
| 11:29.42 | Cymew | sorry, paste broken |
| 11:29.46 | AndrzejL | bbear: dont use systemsettings for this |
| 11:29.54 | AndrzejL | use sh script and xrandr |
| 11:30.21 | AndrzejL | or set it in the xorg file |
| 11:30.29 | Cymew | AndrzejL: You've gotten it to work? Impressive! |
| 11:30.48 | AndrzejL | Cymew: 2 methods :) xrandr script AND the xorg ;) |
| 11:31.01 | Cymew | I see |
| 11:31.04 | AndrzejL | I am that good ;D |
| 11:31.07 | AndrzejL | lol |
| 11:31.09 | Cymew | :) |
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| 11:31.41 | Cymew | I gave up and decided KDE and X wasn't getting this multiple screens thingie... |
| 11:31.43 | AndrzejL | http://pastebin.com/kKTkXR7Q |
| 11:31.55 | AndrzejL | here is my xrandr |
| 11:32.58 | Cymew | "killall krunner", howcome? |
| 11:33.07 | AndrzejL | it was annoying me |
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| 11:33.12 | AndrzejL | i got rid of that since then ;D |
| 11:33.15 | AndrzejL | http://pastebin.com/1dBtiDF7 |
| 11:33.24 | AndrzejL | here is my xorg for nvidia card I use now |
| 11:34.11 | Cymew | Is krunner that annoying? Well, each to his own I guess. |
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| 11:34.47 | AndrzejL | it was in the past - used to give me hustle |
| 11:35.06 | AndrzejL | but it was connected possibly to a faulty hardware |
| 11:35.23 | AndrzejL | I used to get the alt+f2 menu with self-repeating characters |
| 11:35.48 | AndrzejL | 10000000000000s of r letters or y letters or whatever - depending on a day ;) |
| 11:35.48 | DaZ | AndrzejL: touch ~/.kde4/share/autostart/krunner.desktop might disable it in a slightly neater way |
| 11:36.13 | AndrzejL | but its fine now so... :) |
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| 11:41.27 | Cymew | I love krunner. The only thing I never used it for was searching for things in that horribly broken nepomuk database |
| 11:43.22 | AndrzejL | :) |
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| 15:46.37 | Walex | LapJup: custom CSS stylesheet |
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| 15:49.32 | Walex | LapJup: create a '.css' file somewhere and set it in 'Settings>Web Browsing>Appearance>Stylesheets>Use user-defined stylesheet" |
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| 16:02.10 | LapJup | thanks |
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| 17:12.08 | CounterPillow | I've got a strange bug where I can't highlight text when I move the mouse while clicking. If I stop the mouse and then click, and carefully drag, it works |
| 17:12.15 | CounterPillow | I've had this before and it magically disappeared |
| 17:12.25 | CounterPillow | and also found a forum post of someone else with KDE having the same problem |
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| 17:14.21 | karthikp | CounterPillow: Are you saying you can't select text? |
| 17:14.46 | CounterPillow | It's unreliable |
| 17:14.51 | AndrzejL | karthikp: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337035 |
| 17:16.46 | karthikp | Nice. Every once in a while, I get this idea that wafts in going, hmm, how hard can this be to fix? |
| 17:16.50 | karthikp | Getting that now. |
| 17:17.14 | CounterPillow | could be my X11 messing up. |
| 17:17.44 | karthikp | CounterPillow: It could also be klipper, the clipboard manager in your system tray. |
| 17:18.23 | karthikp | If you encounter this in the future, try killing klipper and trying again. |
| 17:19.42 | karthikp | I've occasionally seen weirdness from klipper, but that's is on kde 4.3 (yes, you heard that right. Thanks for nothing, SLES 11.). |
| 17:19.49 | CounterPillow | klipper isn't running |
| 17:19.59 | CounterPillow | or rather, shouldn't be |
| 17:20.02 | karthikp | Oh well, there goes that theory, then. |
| 17:20.17 | CounterPillow | thanks for the hint though |
| 17:20.48 | CounterPillow | I also checked my synaptics config, and it's still the same (as arch doesn't mess with config files automatically) |
| 17:22.08 | karthikp | (Yay, arch here, too.) |
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| 17:28.41 | AndrzejL | Arch users are taking over the #kde channel. Resistance is fertile. |
| 17:28.52 | AndrzejL | ;D |
| 17:29.40 | lordievader | Pff, Arch :P |
| 17:29.54 | AndrzejL | :D |
| 17:30.07 | karthikp | Their IRC channel banner always gives me a chuckle. |
| 17:30.09 | AndrzejL | one more word and we will wash your brain and archify you :D |
| 17:30.38 | AndrzejL | karthikp: which part? |
| 17:30.39 | lordievader | AndrzejL: Try your best! |
| 17:30.40 | karthikp | And then a dozen people show up talking about how window managers are the best things ever and I remember why I never go there. |
| 17:30.52 | AndrzejL | turns on washing machine with lordievader in it ;D |
| 17:30.57 | AndrzejL | there... |
| 17:31.28 | karthikp | AndrzejL: The world domination inc part. |
| 17:31.39 | BluesKaj | arch userx need n |
| 17:31.40 | AndrzejL | 90 celsius 3.5 hours wash with prewash extra rinse and spin AND NO ENERGY SAVING CYCLE! Muahahaha </evil_laugh> |
| 17:31.43 | lordievader | karthikp: Hehe, nice one indeed :) |
| 17:31.45 | BluesKaj | more help |
| 17:32.12 | karthikp | BluesKaj: That's true. If you didn't set it up, it's not set up. |
| 17:32.21 | karthikp | But on the flip side, it also means that sane fixes work. |
| 17:32.26 | AndrzejL | what? what world domination?! |
| 17:32.32 | AndrzejL | :D |
| 17:33.11 | karthikp | For instance, if your touchpad doesn't work, synclient will work with you. Other distros have patches upon patches and things sometimes surprise you. |
| 17:33.19 | BluesKaj | arch never did much for me. especially after all the work to install it was an anticlimax |
| 17:33.37 | lordievader | The Arch wiki is nice though :) |
| 17:33.52 | AndrzejL | thats why we have that extra work during installation ;D |
| 17:34.03 | AndrzejL | it keeps the lazy users away :P |
| 17:34.04 | karthikp | And you only do it once. |
| 17:34.06 | AndrzejL | and noobs :D |
| 17:34.35 | AndrzejL | lol |
| 17:34.40 | AndrzejL | I am so terrible... |
| 17:35.05 | AndrzejL | I should be sent to murica to celebrate Independansa day... that would teach me... |
| 17:35.34 | karthikp | It might just be that I've found my limit cycle, but I'll only ever reinstall if my root device dies. |
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| 17:35.45 | BluesKaj | karthikp, yup, once was enough :) |
| 17:36.18 | AndrzejL | karthikp: once is defo enough. I installed once and rsynced to about 12 machines so far ;) |
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| 17:36.58 | AndrzejL | lordievader: how is the brain washing going? water warm enough? :D |
| 17:37.29 | AndrzejL | let me know if you need more washing liquid or softner ;D |
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| 17:37.56 | AndrzejL | brain softner.. muahaha |
| 17:37.57 | lordievader | AndrzejL: I'm wet. |
| 17:38.01 | AndrzejL | :D |
| 17:38.18 | AndrzejL | dammit... |
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| 17:38.42 | AndrzejL | ... I was going to reply to that but I remember its the 12-rated channel |
| 17:38.48 | karthikp | shakes head and goes back to shell scripting |
| 17:39.09 | lordievader | AndrzejL: Haha :P |
| 17:40.41 | lordievader | time to checkout nftables :) |
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| 17:49.13 | Papierkorb | Hi, in KTorrent, when I set a network interface in the configuration dialog, what happens when that NIC isn't available or goes down? Will KTorrent choose another NIC or stop working? |
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| 17:50.47 | karthikp | Papierkorb: The default is to basically use whatever interface is up. If you tell it to only use one interface, the expected behavior would be to go offline if that interface is no longer up. |
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| 17:50.54 | karthikp | But I haven't tested this, mind you. |
| 17:51.06 | Papierkorb | karthikp: that's what I expect it to do too, yes |
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| 17:51.34 | karthikp | I leave it on All interfaces, so it works automagically. |
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| 18:03.57 | hid | hi |
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| 18:04.13 | hid | is there a distribution which runs kde better than others? |
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| 18:05.31 | karthikp | hid: That question is a recipe for a flame war. :) |
| 18:05.49 | karthikp | Is there something broken with your current distribution that you would like to get fixed, perhaps? |
| 18:06.18 | cordell | the one that works best for you. case closed. next question |
| 18:07.19 | hid | is there a kind of bible where to find all kde tips and tricks? |
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| 18:07.59 | karthikp | http://userbase.kde.org would be it. |
| 18:08.16 | karthikp | It's a wiki-style website that is contributed to by users. |
| 18:08.25 | cordell | ^^ i agree wit karthikp |
| 18:08.28 | cordell | *with |
| 18:08.46 | hid | thanks |
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| 18:09.01 | cordell | also some distributions have kde startup guides to help you get started using kde |
| 18:09.24 | hid | and another one. Is running kde4 with openbox as good as razor-qt? |
| 18:09.31 | karthikp | I wrote much of the page on krunner, which I shall shamelessly plug: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Krunner |
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| 18:11.04 | karthikp | Razor-qt might not start many of the kde daemons. openbox is just a window manager, so you'd be replacing kwin with openbox. The rest of the kde processes will continue to run. So, I'd expect the two options to be different, yes. |
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| 18:12.27 | hid | hmmm i should give a try for my computosaur |
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| 18:15.39 | karthikp | I have a netbook from 2010 with an atom n550 processor, two gigs of ram and an HDD. I run kde on it happily. Desktop effects are buttery smooth and unless you compile something or open chromium, you hardly notice the (lack of) performance. |
| 18:16.17 | hid | yes the main problem is the internet browser |
| 18:16.34 | hid | flash and proprietary stuff |
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| 18:17.09 | karthikp | Yeah, browsers these days use hilarious amounts of memory. |
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| 18:18.53 | cordell | chromium eats up gobs of ram. i have switched back to firefox as it consistently uses less than 700mb of ram while chromium will go up to 3 gb for the same number of tabs open |
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| 18:19.58 | hid | what about html5 with youtube and dailymotion? |
| 18:20.15 | hid | is it the same thing? |
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| 18:21.19 | cordell | i think it has something to do with the per-tab separation that chromium does |
| 18:22.08 | bootkiller | hid: drag into VLC as much as possible. |
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| 18:22.22 | hid | cordell: what is per-tab separation? |
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| 18:23.05 | hid | bootkiller: i prefer smtube+smplayer ;) |
| 18:23.17 | cordell | i prefer using mpv from the command line |
| 18:23.21 | hid | but it only work for youtube and not dailymotion :/ |
| 18:23.26 | karthikp | Even with flash, my netbook plays videos without a problem. In fact, I have an older (2005) laptop with an nvidia called, running nouveau drivers which struggles to full screen flash videos. |
| 18:23.48 | cordell | hid: chromium seperates each tab into its own process that way if 1 tab crashed, it doesnt take down the whole browser |
| 18:23.57 | karthikp | bootkiller: I do the same thing on my desktop. I don't have flash installed, so drag to vlc or chromium + html5. |
| 18:23.58 | hid | ohhh |
| 18:24.32 | hid | why don't you use a kde browser? is chromium better? |
| 18:24.44 | karthikp | But this issue of chromium eating huge amounts of memory is probably a memory leak. |
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| 18:24.56 | hid | you say it use lot of ram |
| 18:25.14 | karthikp | hid: It's also more likely to work with newer websites. |
| 18:25.27 | karthikp | How many of those will test against konqueror or rekonq, do you imagine? |
| 18:25.59 | karthikp | Besides, webkit on kde is stuck in limbo land till qt starts tracking blink. |
| 18:26.08 | karthikp | (Is that what they decided finally?) |
| 18:26.21 | bootkiller | I have 17 tabs right now open in FIrefox, it's using less than 700MB of ram... |
| 18:26.51 | hid | bootkiller: firefox less than 700mb or kde? |
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| 18:28.15 | bootkiller | firefox only, I have no idea how to measure KDE memory, so many processes are show and I don't want to do math |
| 18:28.35 | hid | karthikp: for me qupzilla was the best even better than rekonq but not as good as chromium :// |
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| 18:29.13 | hid | i hope opera will beat hands up chromium |
| 18:30.22 | karthikp | hid: Good one. I'd forgotten about that. For those who've never heard of it, qupzilla is a firefox clone (down to the UI elements) written with qt. It's pretty awesome. |
| 18:30.29 | BluesKaj | opera is chromium |
| 18:30.48 | hid | opera == chromium?? nooooooo |
| 18:31.04 | BluesKaj | yup, it is now |
| 18:31.13 | hid | opera y u no more presto |
| 18:31.23 | karthikp | Opera feels somewhat less configurable, not to mention less integrated than chromium. |
| 18:31.57 | karthikp | Of course, disclaimer. I haven't tried opera in at least a couple of years, so take my opinion with a pinch of salt. |
| 18:32.28 | hid | they split browsing from mailing.. |
| 18:32.40 | BluesKaj | opera tries to do too much, like netscape yrs ago |
| 18:32.48 | AndrzejL | karthikp: good comment |
| 18:33.00 | AndrzejL | on the mime bug |
| 18:33.11 | karthikp | Thanks. |
| 18:33.22 | hid | but i think opera will have again its previous features (time matters) |
| 18:34.00 | BluesKaj | google will eventually bury it |
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| 18:35.04 | karthikp | That would be a sad thing to happen. |
| 18:35.19 | karthikp | Opera was a trailblazing browser pretty much from the get go. |
| 18:35.42 | karthikp | It was one of, or the first browser to have tabbed browsing, for instance. |
| 18:36.37 | karthikp | Download manager was another feature that I saw first in opera. |
| 18:36.44 | hid | why did opera chose blink over presto? |
| 18:37.15 | hid | presto was the best engine |
| 18:37.16 | karthikp | When I tried out version 10/11, it had a torrenting client, an IRC client and that myopera server thing all built in and the binary was just a dozen megs. |
| 18:37.34 | karthikp | thinks open source is best source. :) |
| 18:37.53 | karthikp | With due apologies to North Korea. |
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| 19:24.38 | acebulf | hey is anyone here? |
| 19:25.46 | karthikp | No. :) |
| 19:25.55 | karthikp | What's up? |
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| 19:28.41 | acebulf | I've been worrying about that 5-year bug that was posted on /r/linux a couple days ago |
| 19:29.03 | karthikp | The data loss one? |
| 19:29.08 | acebulf | yeah |
| 19:29.21 | acebulf | I've been trying to find out how such a thing could go ignored for so long |
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| 19:30.35 | karthikp | Because it's intermittent. And there are too many factors to account for and too few people working on it. |
| 19:30.40 | acebulf | It has also started a pile of "KDE doesn't fix bug lel" comments from uninformed people |
| 19:30.48 | acebulf | yeah, that's what I figured |
| 19:31.09 | acebulf | the bug report itself doesn't actually have any good information on the bug, and some contradictory reports |
| 19:32.37 | acebulf | I just hope it doesn't harm the reputation of KDE as a whole |
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| 19:35.22 | karthikp | Our reputation is what we make of it. Every software has bugs. |
| 19:36.26 | karthikp | It's a ratio of how much functionality there is and how many bugs there are. |
| 19:36.27 | Kardos | it doesn't matter, there's always people slinging shit |
| 19:36.33 | karthikp | Yeah. |
| 19:36.37 | acebulf | Of course, it's just that I hear some people criticizing KDE for things which are completely ridiculous from the start. (ie. I don't like xxx. when it can be changed easily) |
| 19:36.51 | acebulf | shitslingers gonna shitsling i guess |
| 19:37.18 | Kardos | the only correct move is to fix the bug and continue on, continuous improvement wins in the long run |
| 19:37.23 | acebulf | anyway I've been using KDE for a year now, and was wondering what was the recommended way to start contributing to the project |
| 19:37.45 | Kardos | openssl's bug was a clusterfuck, and they got how many millions out of ms/google/etc? heh yeah, don't worry, kde will be fine |
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| 19:38.21 | karthikp | Yup. Haters gonna hate.... and lovers gonna love. |
| 19:38.29 | acebulf | I'm definitely in the loving camp |
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| 19:38.31 | karthikp | loves kde. :) |
| 19:38.39 | acebulf | loves kde too! |
| 19:38.41 | Kardos | kde for 6+ years, not turning back anytime soon |
| 19:39.03 | karthikp | So say we all! :P |
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| 19:39.17 | acebulf | honestly, the shit slinging turned me off for a while, but I ended up having to use it for my job, and fell in love with it |
| 19:39.43 | acebulf | which I why I'm kinda irritated by those comments, since if it wasn't for the job, I'd probably be using Unity |
| 19:40.05 | Kardos | "if you dont like it dont use it", pretty simple... ;p |
| 19:40.24 | acebulf | yeah |
| 19:40.33 | Kardos | wishes he had the time to contribute something useful to kde |
| 19:40.48 | acebulf | wishes he had the skills to contribute something useful to kde |
| 19:41.09 | acebulf | Scientific programming isn't the most useful skill when it comes to software development |
| 19:41.11 | acebulf | :P |
| 19:41.21 | Kardos | ahh a fellow scientist |
| 19:41.39 | karthikp | Aerospace engineer reporting in. |
| 19:41.40 | Kardos | reporting reproducible bugs is a huge help that doesn't require development skills |
| 19:41.47 | Kardos | ahh, oceanographer |
| 19:42.01 | cordell | how do i cycle through tabs in konversation? |
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| 19:42.34 | karthikp | cordell: Settings > Shortcuts. It seems alt+number cycles through them. |
| 19:42.56 | Kardos | ime, reporting reproducible bugs always gets a positive response because its easy for the dev to verify/fix, and it contributes to the polish of a project |
| 19:43.06 | karthikp | And alt+right/left to move back and forth. |
| 19:43.34 | acebulf | neat, I didn't know that |
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| 19:44.38 | cordell | karthikp: thanks. its weird that ctrl+shift+tab will backwords cycle through tabs, but ctrl + tab wont cycle through tabs |
| 19:44.42 | acebulf | Astrophysics here |
| 19:45.00 | moviuro | cordell: haha, indeed ^_^ |
| 19:45.21 | Kardos | loosk like kde attracts stem types ;P |
| 19:45.30 | acebulf | haha |
| 19:45.50 | karthikp | This article came up a while back on hacker news (that bastion of mac users). I thought it was pretty well written: http://blog.smartbear.com/programming/14-ways-to-contribute-to-open-source-without-being-a-programming-genius-or-a-rock-star/ |
| 19:47.02 | cordell | id be interested in seeing which distro + de that varrying scientists/engineers use |
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| 19:47.26 | acebulf | I use openSUSE 13.1 with KDE |
| 19:47.40 | karthikp | Winterfell!!! I mean, Arch. |
| 19:47.44 | Kardos | quite... it'd also be interesting to know if anyone actually uses scientific linux |
| 19:47.52 | acebulf | I think CERN does |
| 19:47.56 | Kardos | fedora/kde at home, ubuntu/kde at work |
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| 19:48.09 | cordell | karthikp: if you dont mind me asking do you use custom in house software for aerospace engineering or do you use a 3rd party application? |
| 19:48.21 | acebulf | My suse computer crashed and they gave me a ubuntu/unity for a week, and I nearly cried |
| 19:49.14 | Kardos | haha first step after installing ubuntu was to remove unity |
| 19:49.15 | acebulf | I know the project lead also uses openSUSE+KDE for his linux computer and Win7 provided by the university |
| 19:49.42 | acebulf | Honestly that thing slowed down my workflow by 20% |
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| 19:49.45 | karthikp | I actually don't work in aerospace anymore, but my grad work was experimental. So, much of the data gathering software was windows-only. Data analysis can be done on any platform you were good at. |
| 19:50.18 | acebulf | yeah, I use a lot of python for data analysis, which can be done on basically every platform |
| 19:50.36 | karthikp | I started off with matlab, which made the switch to linux easy and eventually, picked up enough C++ to write my own library to interface with eigen (a linear algebra library) and there was no looking back. |
| 19:50.56 | acebulf | nice, most people in my department use matlab as well |
| 19:51.06 | Kardos | matlab is pretty king in my field but octave has been making leaps and bounds, it'll soon be a regular replacement |
| 19:51.35 | acebulf | It's taught to students, so it's basically a given |
| 19:51.37 | cordell | interesting. comm. college has matlab, but i never used it even though i took a linear algebra course. |
| 19:51.50 | karthikp | Now, I work in lithography and it's all vim and git and sweet, sweet konsole love all day. :) |
| 19:51.50 | acebulf | they also use some mathematica-ish software called maple |
| 19:52.25 | Kardos | maple is powerful but the ui is frustrating at times |
| 19:52.30 | acebulf | one of the profs in the department uses some mac-only software where you drag equations |
| 19:52.38 | Kardos | poor guy. |
| 19:52.39 | acebulf | I forget what it's called, but it's horrid |
| 19:52.55 | karthikp | Not math type? |
| 19:53.04 | acebulf | no it's called livemath maker i think |
| 19:53.18 | karthikp | Nice. The very name in cringe inducing. :) |
| 19:53.26 | karthikp | *is |
| 19:53.48 | acebulf | It would be nice software for 1st and 2nd year students, but the Windows version is riddled with bugs |
| 19:54.00 | karthikp | The oddest thing about aerospace engineering is how little LaTeX is used. It's all Word as far as one can see. |
| 19:54.14 | acebulf | that's odd, but not unheard of |
| 19:54.16 | Kardos | that is definitely odd |
| 19:54.17 | karthikp | Or maybe it's just the subset of combustion engineers. |
| 19:54.27 | Kardos | its all latex all the time here, even for presentations |
| 19:54.45 | cordell | I should take the time to learn LaTeX. i havent found a good source though. |
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| 19:55.01 | karthikp | Yeah, so when I rolled with LaTeX and beamer, it was completely alien to everyone. |
| 19:55.06 | karthikp | cordell: The wiki book is excellent. |
| 19:55.24 | Kardos | the easiest way to start is get someone else's document and replace the content with yours |
| 19:55.32 | karthikp | And kile is pretty good, once you've learned how to compile it the hard way. |
| 19:55.40 | Kardos | kile is great ;) |
| 19:55.42 | acebulf | lol Kardos |
| 19:55.48 | karthikp | I mean, compile LaTeX source code, I mean. Not kile. :) |
| 19:55.52 | cordell | this? https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/ |
| 19:56.00 | karthikp | Yup. |
| 19:56.06 | karthikp | That's how I got started. |
| 19:56.14 | cordell | neat. thanks ill read this a bit later |
| 19:56.38 | karthikp | Do note that LaTeX has a steep learning curve. When I wrote my first document, I think I spent an entire afternoon and managed about a paragraph. |
| 19:56.59 | karthikp | Simple things like formatting something took google fu to accomplish. |
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| 19:57.05 | acebulf | Yeah, and I write internal documents in French |
| 19:57.14 | cordell | I was planning on using Kile to help aid me in writing latex |
| 19:57.20 | karthikp | But once you get over it, it becomes rapidly simpler. |
| 19:57.35 | karthikp | Pretty soon, you'll be messing around with cls files. :) |
| 19:57.37 | acebulf | it's quite horrid to work accents in latex, so I made a script that replaced é, è, ect. with the latex equivalents |
| 19:57.48 | Kardos | mmmm |
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| 19:58.01 | cordell | right now i do everything in libreoffice, and i've had it crash on me a few times. luckily i was able to recover the documents |
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| 19:58.11 | Avihay | Lyx is preatty god at reduceing the hassle needed for writeing LaTeX, runs on most OSs |
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| 19:58.16 | Avihay | good* |
| 19:58.21 | karthikp | acebulf: I was wondering about that. LaTeX, for all its awesomeness plays horrid with accented characters. |
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| 19:58.58 | karthikp | The problem with lyx is that it tends to hide away the code and encourages all the bad practices that come with wysiwyg editing. |
| 19:59.17 | karthikp | More to the point, when you get to the point where you don't know how to do something, lyx is of no help. |
| 19:59.20 | cordell | supposedly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XeTeX makes other languages easier |
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| 19:59.43 | karthikp | On the other hand, if you're used to seeing LaTeX source code, you learn the nuts and bolts of it. |
| 19:59.54 | Avihay | you can tell it to display the source editor, and you can use a shortcut to enter raw latex |
| 19:59.59 | karthikp | It might not be for everyone, sure. |
| 20:00.26 | acebulf | I'll have to try that cordell |
| 20:00.40 | karthikp | Avihay: True. And by comparison, kile puts the source code front and center and you click a button to see the final PDF. See the difference in approach? |
| 20:00.42 | Avihay | though I'm lazy and I use libre-office, and the equation editor with it's latax like syntax |
| 20:00.50 | moviuro | karthikp: kile has only a nice way of highlighting things, I use mklatex to compile my files. Works like a charm (dunno if kile supports it though) |
| 20:00.58 | Avihay | havn't tried kile, I guess I should |
| 20:01.11 | karthikp | I wrote my own script for it. |
| 20:01.43 | karthikp | I'm in the process of cleaning up my scripts and putting them on git hub with neatly commented histories. I'll get around to posting this one, too. |
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| 20:02.53 | moviuro | *latexmk |
| 20:03.05 | karthikp | Probably nasty looking, but this is the script I used: http://paste.kde.org/p7gwn0huk |
| 20:03.06 | cordell | acebulf: i was reading the wikipedia page on latex and came across of bunch of terms xetex, luatex, context, etc. they are to latex what latex is to tex i believe. |
| 20:03.55 | karthikp | The neat thing about this script is that there will be no temporary files. You basically run it on the main file and it will put a PDF where you are. |
| 20:03.57 | cordell | im not 100% sure, but if i interrpreted it correctly they make some things that are difficult to do in latex rather easy. |
| 20:04.56 | karthikp | cordell: Walk first, run later. Start with just writing simple documents using LaTeX instead of Word, for example and as you build confidence, you can attempt more and more. |
| 20:07.32 | Kardos | also use someone else's short document to get started, learning by example is huge |
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| 20:08.30 | quinso | Can anyone help me figure out how to use this awful kde utility to use openvpn? http://i.imgur.com/ZgcJlj5.png The only thing provided to me by the openvpn provider are .ovpn file, login and password. I can connect using openvpn --config config.ovpn command, but this networkmanager import thing doesn't seem to work. |
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| 20:08.43 | karthikp | Yeah. And wait till you get to tikz. I really started enjoying LaTeX when I started learning TikZ. Shoutout to ktikz, which is a pretty awesome tool to play with diagrams on the fly. |
| 20:09.22 | cordell | it seems a KDE has mess up my trackpad scrolling. when i scroll with 2 fingers and let go, it doesnt seem to keep on scrolling. how can i reenable this? |
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| 20:11.13 | karthikp | cordell: look for "coasting" in the synaptics manpage. The behavior you're describing is finger-off/conventional coasting. |
| 20:12.23 | karthikp | quinso: It looks like it would be a simple matter of add > Open VPN. |
| 20:12.41 | karthikp | However, the parameters may need to be got from the ovpn file you have. |
| 20:12.53 | moviuro | quinso: nothing is better than root CLI tools to do networking if you ask me |
| 20:13.02 | quinso | karthikp: do you mean I'll have to read the file and add parameters manually? |
| 20:13.08 | karthikp | Try opening it in kwrite if it's plain text to see what the gateway should be, etc. |
| 20:13.23 | moviuro | also, there is AFAIK no thing such as .ovpn files... just ca, crt, key and conf :x |
| 20:13.33 | karthikp | I'm guessing, yes. Or you can ask the provider for the info. |
| 20:13.35 | quinso | moviuro: I used to have another connection manager in kde, which could import ovpn files fine, but then it got replaced with this shit. |
| 20:14.19 | karthikp | kinda likes the new connection editor. It just worked™ for everything I ever needed of it. |
| 20:14.22 | moviuro | s/shit/software I don't know if it can do what the previous one could, and if I can, don't know how to use it |
| 20:14.37 | quinso | moviuro: there is such thing, you can even press file->import in this editor, and this is the filter http://i.imgur.com/kQbSDdD.png |
| 20:14.42 | cordell | karthikp: doesnt seem to be applying |
| 20:15.00 | quinso | However it doesn't work |
| 20:15.22 | quinso | I liked the new connection manager/editor too, until I had to configure openvpn. |
| 20:15.28 | moviuro | well, quinso I had no idea there was a dedicated extension for these files. What does $ file <file>.ovpn give? |
| 20:15.31 | karthikp | cordell: Last night, there was another user here complaining about a very similar problem. He was trying to configure his touch pad and said that synclient options wouldn't "stick". |
| 20:15.47 | quinso | moviuro: ASCII text |
| 20:15.51 | karthikp | quinso: It's probably just plain text. |
| 20:16.08 | moviuro | well then just vim into it, become root and configure openvpn by hand ;) |
| 20:16.09 | quinso | karthikp: I know, I can read it. It contains settings and some keys. |
| 20:16.56 | quinso | So, it contains settings, certificate, another certificate, private key, tls-auth |
| 20:17.02 | karthikp | Cool. Just fill in the details in the openVPN config dialog. Seems like settings and keys are what the dialog is asking for. |
| 20:17.39 | cordell | karthikp: i did have a kernel update, but i havent reboot yet. the only apps that got an update were ktorrent and konversation which shouldn affect scrolling |
| 20:18.00 | cordell | maybe i should logout and log back in and if that doesnt work then i should reboot |
| 20:18.05 | karthikp | True. |
| 20:18.12 | moviuro | cordell: your GPU driver could run into troubles if not rebooted after kupgrade |
| 20:18.21 | cordell | intel |
| 20:18.23 | moviuro | (just a shot in the dark) |
| 20:18.24 | karthikp | X usually doesn't need a reboot, but kernel does. |
| 20:18.46 | cordell | integrated drivers. |
| 20:18.47 | moviuro | (mais reason why I don't update my kernel so often) |
| 20:18.55 | moviuro | cordell: still requires a driver |
| 20:19.03 | moviuro | *main |
| 20:19.16 | cordell | well brb, see if i cant fix this. |
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| 20:20.52 | cordell | log out and log back in fixed it. weird |
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| 20:22.46 | karthikp | "Have you tried turning it off and on again?" - The IT Crowd |
| 20:22.48 | acebulf | Hey guys sometimes firefox opens in another window despite another window being open |
| 20:22.52 | cordell | not sure what could have caused it |
| 20:23.19 | acebulf | When I click on that window, it doesn't do anything, and when I click on the previously opened window, what I was trying to open is there |
| 20:23.20 | karthikp | acebulf: Another screen or another virtual desktop? |
| 20:23.31 | acebulf | same screen |
| 20:23.38 | acebulf | lets say I click on the imgur link above |
| 20:23.58 | acebulf | It opens an instance of firefox, but the image opens in the already-running instance |
| 20:24.08 | acebulf | the new window just loads in the taskbar and then goes away |
| 20:24.20 | cordell | but is the window still there? |
| 20:24.29 | karthikp | I think that's normal behavior, acebulf. |
| 20:24.46 | acebulf | sec I think I can reproduce |
| 20:24.52 | karthikp | When you click a link, the system calls firefox to open the link. |
| 20:25.07 | karthikp | But if firefox is already running, it will open the link in that window as a new tab. |
| 20:25.32 | acebulf | yeah, it's supposed to, but it still creates an empty window |
| 20:25.50 | karthikp | If the task bar notification bothers you (and it should because the default is a horrible 30 seconds of notification, instead of something sane like 3 seconds), you can reduce the time in system settings. |
| 20:26.08 | cordell | also make sure in konversation - settings- configure konversation - behavior - general that use custom web browser is disabled |
| 20:26.37 | karthikp | Sane launch feedback: http://i.imgur.com/AnfEkjJ.png |
| 20:27.01 | karthikp | (Insane is both set to 30 seconds.) |
| 20:27.18 | cordell | to fix the task bar notification go to systemsettings - application and system notifications - launch feedback |
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| 20:27.54 | karthikp | Yup. See screenshot I just posted. |
| 20:28.35 | acebulf | ah there it works |
| 20:28.50 | acebulf | good stuff |
| 20:29.31 | cordell | i turned it off by default. now my bouncing cursor wont go away. lol |
| 20:29.48 | acebulf | lol |
| 20:30.00 | acebulf | Yeah I'm probably gonna turn it off as well |
| 20:30.02 | cordell | i redisabled it |
| 20:30.44 | cordell | what fonts are you using in that photo karthikp |
| 20:31.02 | karthikp | Liberation fonts. |
| 20:31.45 | karthikp | They were nicer looking (more compact in the X direction) than dejavu fonts. |
| 20:31.59 | karthikp | So, I started using them and never changed. |
| 20:32.52 | cordell | ah ok. im using the droid sans fonts. |
| 20:33.07 | karthikp | Although, the dejavu sans mono is better looking than the liberation mono glyphs. |
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| 20:37.04 | cordell | you may find these fonts interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croscore_fonts |
| 20:38.04 | cordell | they are fonts from google that are basically the liberation fonts, but have more glyphs |
| 20:39.13 | karthikp | Thanks, cordell. That's good to know. |
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| 20:44.04 | acebulf | what fonts does openSUSE use by default? |
| 20:44.34 | AndrzejL | Kardos: I am Polish and I refuse to contribute anything to a project :P |
| 20:44.41 | AndrzejL | teehee |
| 20:47.31 | cordell | i think dejavu. let me check i just set up a opensuse vm |
| 20:48.07 | cordell | by default their not antialiased due to some patents or crap like that |
| 20:49.33 | karthikp | cordell: Use fc-match * to see what the default font is. |
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| 20:50.32 | cordell | DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book" |
| 20:50.40 | cordell | fc-match * didnt work |
| 20:50.46 | cordell | fc-match did though |
| 20:50.56 | cordell | and i learned a new command today. |
| 20:50.57 | karthikp | They don't use fontconfig? That's ... odd. |
| 20:51.13 | karthikp | fc-list should list all the fonts fontconfig knows. |
| 20:51.37 | cordell | yea lots of fonts |
| 20:51.38 | karthikp | And fc-match queries which font will be used when you request something. For instance fc-match monospace will list the default monospace font. |
| 20:51.52 | karthikp | fc-match sansserif or just sans |
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| 20:52.57 | karthikp | And you can override the default by placing instructions in ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf |
| 20:53.12 | acebulf | neat! |
| 20:53.40 | karthikp | Mine, for instance, looks like this: http://paste.kde.org/pthmlrao0 |
| 20:54.49 | karthikp | This way, I set my default fonts for all graphical applications without restricting them to only kde applications, etc. |
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| 20:55.10 | cordell | interesting. |
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| 20:55.26 | cordell | what does the kde systemsettings module edit to force font configuration? |
| 20:55.34 | karthikp | The same file. :) |
| 20:55.38 | cordell | oh :D |
| 20:55.53 | karthikp | Only, it has a bug and ends up writing multiple entries sometimes. |
| 20:56.49 | karthikp | Even if it's xml (ew!), I still like it to look clean. |
| 20:57.16 | cordell | heres mine http://paste.kde.org/pgqo6cvbe |
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| 21:01.05 | acebulf | Speaking of XML why hasn't something better been made by now? |
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| 21:01.37 | karthikp | From arch wiki, for those interesting in going further: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_configuration |
| 21:01.44 | karthikp | *interested |
| 21:02.15 | acebulf | thanks, seems legit |
| 21:02.46 | acebulf | I should probably make an arch partition in the future |
| 21:03.19 | cordell | i used arch i believe around 2010, way before the switch over to systemd, it was nice |
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| 21:03.43 | cordell | i think it may have been kde 4.6 at the time |
| 21:05.28 | karthikp | I switched from kubuntu to arch in 2008 when the former released 4.0.x as stable and broke lots of things for me. |
| 21:06.04 | karthikp | If I recall, Arch switched to kde4 around 4.1 or 2, by which time it was in a much more usable state. |
| 21:06.16 | cordell | my first experience with kde was 4.4. it was then that gnome 2.32 was killed and gnome 3.x came out. decided to switch to kde |
| 21:06.44 | cordell | i think i tried kubuntu, then fedora, then opensuse. |
| 21:06.54 | karthikp | Still, I loved the oxygen icons and present windows. I sorely missed both when arch was still with kde 3.x. |
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| 21:07.26 | acebulf | I went from Ubuntu -> Mint -> openSUSE |
| 21:07.31 | karthikp | I tried gnome 3.x on my spare laptop. It was a pretty early release, like 3.1 or 3.2. |
| 21:07.48 | karthikp | Honestly, it was way more polished than kde was at similar version numbers. |
| 21:07.51 | cordell | actually it was 4.3 which was shipped on opensuse 11.2. |
| 21:08.34 | karthikp | I saw no instability. Transitions and things were very smooth. It was, as far as I could see, a functional and pretty interface. |
| 21:09.11 | moviuro | karthikp: GNOME must be polished, given the little number of things you can actually change... ^_^ |
| 21:09.29 | karthikp | Definitely. :) |
| 21:10.16 | karthikp | Still, having seen only that, I really don't understand the complaining around it. |
| 21:10.19 | cordell | i should give mate desktop environment a spin and see how it is. |
| 21:10.56 | karthikp | The thing about mate or cinnamon or trinity or similar projects is that they are inherently backwards-facing. |
| 21:11.10 | cordell | trinity is. cinnamon and mate is not |
| 21:11.31 | acebulf | I found mate very buggy |
| 21:11.35 | cordell | cinnamon uses gtk3. mate is currently using gtk2 and will soon support gtk3 |
| 21:11.40 | karthikp | Their call to arms is that they are familiar and retro. "No icky changes and new things, we promise," they seem to say. |
| 21:12.03 | karthikp | Doesn't that sort of thinking wall them in. |
| 21:12.20 | karthikp | I mean, they can't change now even if they wanted to. |
| 21:12.45 | cordell | they can change, just not radically |
| 21:13.23 | cordell | the great thing about plasma is that with the upcoming version, although it will be new, it will be in a familiar format |
| 21:13.23 | karthikp | I'd feel uncomfortable giving up that ... freedom to tear everything down and rebuild. |
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| 21:13.51 | karthikp | Yes. But see how the appeal of plasma isn't necessarily that it looks like kde3. |
| 21:14.19 | karthikp | Or kde2 or 1 for that matter. Hasn't kde always had a panel at the bottom with a menu button on the left end? |
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| 21:14.36 | cordell | i wasnt around for <= kde3 so i cant speak about them |
| 21:17.24 | karthikp | cordell: So, I've been looking around for croscore fonts and it appears that liberation fonts > 2.00 basically incorporated croscore fonts. |
| 21:17.28 | moviuro | 's KDE config never feature a bottom panel nor a menu icon anymore |
| 21:18.20 | cordell | karthikp: interesting. do you have a link where i can read more about this? |
| 21:18.21 | karthikp | prefers a short compact panel at the top. Menu is entirely optional, too. |
| 21:18.33 | karthikp | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1134921#p1134921 |
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| 21:18.51 | karthikp | So, I'm already using croscore fonts and didn't know it. :) |
| 21:19.10 | karthikp | Which makes sense because I didn't see any missing glyphs in a long time. |
| 21:19.44 | karthikp | Well, some emojis and silly meme-y things occasionally show up as boxes, but they are few and far in between. |
| 21:20.59 | cordell | karthikp: on opensuse i have 2 liberation packages liberation-fonts and liberation2-fonts |
| 21:21.59 | karthikp | Liberation 2 fonts are the ones that incorporate the croscore fonts and they have more hinting than 1. |
| 21:23.15 | cordell | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts#Distribution |
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| 21:23.58 | karthikp | Missed that bit. |
| 21:24.28 | BlaXpirit | nice link, cordell |
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| 21:24.57 | karthikp | But yeah, the sans typefaces look very nice, but for mono, dejavu is better looking. |
| 21:25.25 | BlaXpirit | i don't like sans at all... |
| 21:25.40 | BlaXpirit | and for serif I do think DejaVu is better as well |
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| 21:26.20 | BlaXpirit | anyhow, the fonts I use are Ubuntu, DejaVu Serif, Ubuntu Mono |
| 21:26.32 | BlaXpirit | (and no, I'm not on Ubuntu) |
| 21:28.15 | karthikp | I guess I need more time to get used to the ubuntu fonts look. It's rather distinctive. |
| 21:28.38 | BlaXpirit | I'm so in love with the font that i use it on my phone too |
| 21:30.22 | BlaXpirit | I really don't see any free font that comes even close in quality to Arial |
| 21:30.52 | karthikp | You don't hold to the idea that helvetica is better than arial? |
| 21:31.22 | moviuro | Overlock, Inconsolata (and a serif font? what's that for?...) |
| 21:31.44 | BlaXpirit | karthikp, ehh I almost never see Helvetica |
| 21:32.22 | BlaXpirit | Droid Sans looks OK |
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| 21:38.49 | BlaXpirit | moviuro, wat |
| 21:38.52 | BlaXpirit | you use this? http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/overlock |
| 21:39.16 | SubstreamAI | I'm using Konversation and I have new channel messages set to use a certain sound. I don't want any sound for DCC chat messages, is there a way I can distinguish these or remove the sound from DCC Chat |
| 21:39.28 | SubstreamAI | Note: Other DCC events do have sounds that I want to keep |
| 21:40.05 | SubstreamAI | I just want DCC Chat messages to be silent |
| 21:40.16 | moviuro | BlaXpirit: yes |
| 21:40.23 | SubstreamAI | Ah! I hoped so |
| 21:40.25 | SubstreamAI | how? :D |
| 21:40.25 | moviuro | though it came through google fonts :) |
| 21:40.33 | SubstreamAI | oh... ha |
| 21:40.35 | SubstreamAI | not for e |
| 21:40.36 | SubstreamAI | me |
| 21:40.38 | SubstreamAI | ok |
| 21:41.16 | moviuro | SubstreamAI: Settings > Configure notifications > uncheck the sound box where needed |
| 21:41.28 | karthikp | SubstreamAI: Have you looked in ^ |
| 21:41.41 | SubstreamAI | moviuro: that will remove teh sound from ALL channel messages |
| 21:41.51 | SubstreamAI | I want to keep the sound in IRC channels |
| 21:41.57 | SubstreamAI | I only want to remove it from DCC only |
| 21:42.32 | moviuro | SubstreamAI: I have a lot of entries with *DCC* in them, you're sure ? |
| 21:42.33 | SubstreamAI | I have an eggdrop (IRC bot) and I log into the console via DCC Chat. I don't want a sound every time there is a new line of text |
| 21:42.41 | SubstreamAI | but in a channle, I want a sound for that |
| 21:42.42 | karthikp | Turn off sound only for DCC chat then. |
| 21:42.52 | SubstreamAI | moviuro: I am sure ;) |
| 21:43.07 | SubstreamAI | karthikp: this does not seem to be an option |
| 21:43.22 | moviuro | SubstreamAI: which version of konversation are you using? |
| 21:43.38 | SubstreamAI | the option that causes the sound is "new message" |
| 21:43.54 | SubstreamAI | and that sound plays for any channel, like #kde, or a DCC chat |
| 21:44.08 | SubstreamAI | KDE - Be Free! |
| 21:44.09 | SubstreamAI | Platform Version 4.11.5 |
| 21:44.13 | karthikp | http://i.imgur.com/OldsrYy.png |
| 21:44.25 | SubstreamAI | karthikp: that is START |
| 21:44.30 | SubstreamAI | that only plays on a NEW chat |
| 21:44.37 | SubstreamAI | I'm taking about each line of text thereafter |
| 21:44.37 | karthikp | Oh. |
| 21:44.45 | karthikp | I see. |
| 21:44.46 | SubstreamAI | ;) |
| 21:44.50 | SubstreamAI | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.53 | BlaXpirit | ok you gotta tell me |
| 21:44.57 | BlaXpirit | what the hell is DCC |
| 21:45.05 | SubstreamAI | DCC - its a direct chat |
| 21:45.13 | SubstreamAI | you connect straight to the other person |
| 21:45.16 | SubstreamAI | not through the network |
| 21:45.21 | BlaXpirit | "You received a private message" |
| 21:45.25 | BlaXpirit | is that not good enough for ya? |
| 21:45.29 | SubstreamAI | its like a private message, yes |
| 21:45.32 | SubstreamAI | but not on the network |
| 21:45.34 | SubstreamAI | its direct |
| 21:45.36 | BlaXpirit | no, there is literally that setting |
| 21:45.44 | BlaXpirit | the name of which i just wrote |
| 21:45.52 | BlaXpirit | in notifications |
| 21:45.54 | SubstreamAI | Private message event is not the same |
| 21:46.01 | BlaXpirit | oh really |
| 21:46.10 | SubstreamAI | the even thtat is triggered by a DCC message is "new message" |
| 21:46.20 | SubstreamAI | that is the same event that is triggered for a regular IRC channel |
| 21:46.31 | cordell | how does dcc differ than /msg somebody? |
| 21:46.38 | cordell | does /msg go through freenode? |
| 21:46.44 | moviuro | BlaXpirit: also, what's the big issue with overlock? :) |
| 21:46.50 | SubstreamAI | the PM trigger "Private Message" is different |
| 21:46.58 | BlaXpirit | moviuro, it's like a decorative font? |
| 21:47.05 | BlaXpirit | but when zoomed out it's not that bad |
| 21:47.51 | SubstreamAI | cordell: yes, /msg goes through freenode, or whatever network |
| 21:47.51 | moviuro | BlaXpirit: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/07/04/plasma-desktopdI2018.png I don't find it decorative or 'fancy' |
| 21:47.59 | BlaXpirit | i do |
| 21:48.11 | cordell | and dcc is p2p? |
| 21:48.11 | BlaXpirit | gah that's a scary screenshot |
| 21:48.13 | BlaXpirit | sorry :( |
| 21:48.22 | SubstreamAI | I'm unsure of the exact protocal cordell |
| 21:48.36 | SubstreamAI | but its a direct connection, you have to approve it when someone sends you one |
| 21:48.43 | SubstreamAI | and, you have to configure your client with IPs, etc |
| 21:48.44 | SubstreamAI | and ports |
| 21:48.48 | moviuro | why scary, BlaXpirit? I'm caring for my poor eyes ;) |
| 21:48.53 | SubstreamAI | you will have to open a port in your firewall as well |
| 21:49.11 | SubstreamAI | or a range of ports |
| 21:49.17 | BlaXpirit | the proper solution is not to use it............ |
| 21:49.24 | karthikp | DCC is used on, er, less reputable channels (*cough* bookz *cough*) for file transfers and stuff. |
| 21:49.30 | SubstreamAI | I cannot guess how "secure" it might be cordell |
| 21:49.58 | SubstreamAI | I assume it is vastly more secure than /msg |
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| 21:50.18 | BlaXpirit | is looking for an option to disable DCC |
| 21:50.33 | SubstreamAI | don't configure it correctly in your prefs |
| 21:50.36 | karthikp | Overlock looks like a serif font, even though it's closer to sans serif. |
| 21:50.38 | SubstreamAI | set it to an impossible IP |
| 21:50.40 | SubstreamAI | or no IP |
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| 21:50.48 | SubstreamAI | also, don't forward ports in your router |
| 21:51.10 | SubstreamAI | or, config rediculous ports in your IRC client ports |
| 21:51.10 | moviuro | karthikp: I changed from Oxygen when I ran into troubles with it |
| 21:51.12 | SubstreamAI | etc... |
| 21:51.34 | SubstreamAI | BlaXpirit: ^ |
| 21:51.35 | BlaXpirit | moviuro, Oxygen is a horrible font... |
| 21:51.37 | cordell | that is unless a dcc connection is made on one of those dynamic ports |
| 21:51.48 | BlaXpirit | hm thanks SubstreamAI. I don't really want to break it so bad |
| 21:51.58 | karthikp | Oxygen fonts just looked like ubuntu fonts to me. |
| 21:52.07 | SubstreamAI | ah... I imagine you could write a script that toggles it |
| 21:52.16 | SubstreamAI | probably wouldn't be too hard if you were motivated |
| 21:53.11 | BlaXpirit | karthikp, then you're on Ubuntu |
| 21:53.23 | BlaXpirit | with Ubuntu font set as default |
| 21:53.24 | BlaXpirit | ? |
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| 21:54.30 | karthikp | No, I just saw pictures of the oxygen font online. |
| 21:54.47 | BlaXpirit | okaaaay |
| 21:55.17 | karthikp | It just looked very similar to ubuntu fonts. The u's and v's, for instance, curved on the left and straight on the right. |
| 21:55.38 | karthikp | Am I talking sense or am I remembering some other font? |
| 21:56.07 | BlaXpirit | karthikp, sounds crazy to me |
| 21:56.27 | karthikp | :( Googling... |
| 21:57.15 | moviuro | BlaXpirit: well I liked it a lot, then after an update, small fonts were unreadable |
| 21:57.34 | BlaXpirit | and it defines a tiny percentage of glyphs -_- |
| 21:57.44 | karthikp | https://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Oxygen |
| 21:57.50 | karthikp | Indeed. I was talking rubbish. |
| 21:58.34 | karthikp | It's certainly missing a lot of glyphs, true. |
| 21:58.49 | BlaXpirit | ok now |
| 21:58.55 | BlaXpirit | why dos it look different on my system? |
| 21:59.14 | karthikp | The kde project should just adopt Liberation or DejaVu and stick with it. |
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| 21:59.28 | BlaXpirit | u definitely doesn't look like that |
| 22:00.05 | karthikp | Wait, oxygen doesn't have a % sign? |
| 22:00.11 | BlaXpirit | i assume the version on my computer is newer than on google site |
| 22:00.17 | karthikp | Likely. |
| 22:00.38 | BlaXpirit | karthikp, that is definitely some old version at the link you sent me |
| 22:01.27 | karthikp | I blame google, then. :) |
| 22:01.48 | moviuro | karthikp: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/07/05/plasma-desktopQi2018.png |
| 22:02.15 | karthikp | http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/oxygen could be newer. |
| 22:02.51 | BlaXpirit | uhh |
| 22:02.57 | BlaXpirit | okay |
| 22:03.04 | BlaXpirit | so we are talking about different fonts |
| 22:03.28 | karthikp | The last link I posted has the same fonts. |
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| 22:04.01 | BlaXpirit | and my system has a different font |
| 22:04.03 | BlaXpirit | but it is |
| 22:04.05 | BlaXpirit | Oxygen-Sans |
| 22:04.10 | karthikp | It's a bit blurry at smaller sizes and a little too wide for my taste, but definitely not anything similar to ubuntu fonts as I remembered (no idea why). |
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| 22:05.45 | BlaXpirit | http://i.imgur.com/tys3dkT.png |
| 22:06.11 | BlaXpirit | it's definitely the same font |
| 22:06.14 | BlaXpirit | but u is different |
| 22:06.48 | moviuro | yes indeed, that's weird |
| 22:06.51 | karthikp | fc-match oxygen |
| 22:06.58 | BlaXpirit | (the one on my screenshot is much more consistent and better, to be frank) |
| 22:07.28 | moviuro | I'll really have to go through all my fonts once and for all and select the very best ones ^_^ |
| 22:07.49 | karthikp | It'll never end. |
| 22:07.55 | BlaXpirit | well |
| 22:08.07 | BlaXpirit | the only explanation is only i have the newest version of oxygen font :p |
| 22:08.24 | BlaXpirit | Arch master race XD |
| 22:08.44 | moviuro | BlaXpirit: I don't even know where I got oxygen font from |
| 22:08.49 | DaZ | how's your /bin doing |
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| 22:09.04 | BlaXpirit | fine |
| 22:09.35 | BlaXpirit | and systemd is doing fine too |
| 22:09.59 | moviuro | BlaXpirit: local/ttf-google-fonts-git 20140210-1 |
| 22:10.10 | BlaXpirit | moviuro, wait what |
| 22:10.18 | BlaXpirit | oxygen font from google fonts? |
| 22:10.23 | moviuro | yup |
| 22:10.27 | BlaXpirit | mmmmkay |
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| 22:11.21 | moviuro | BlaXpirit: https://www.google.com/fonts/ <- ask for oxygen, I have the latest version ;) |
| 22:11.33 | TeraJL | is it normal that with QTcurve i lose the option to merge windows into tabs? is there a workaround or themes that suport it? |
| 22:11.54 | BlaXpirit | umm look, my ttf-oxygen package was last updated 2014-06-10 |
| 22:11.55 | scummos | not all window decorations support tabbing |
| 22:13.10 | moviuro | TeraJL: AFAIK, only the oxygen borders support that |
| 22:13.21 | lainlives | can you get different programs to tab together in a single window? |
| 22:13.40 | moviuro | BlaXpirit: that's weird ^_^ |
| 22:13.47 | BlaXpirit | moviuro, what is |
| 22:13.48 | moviuro | yes lainlives |
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| 22:13.56 | BlaXpirit | you probably just don't have that package installed |
| 22:14.01 | lainlives | moviuro: how does one go about doing this |
| 22:14.05 | moviuro | BlaXpirit: that google font is the same that I have and you have a more recent one |
| 22:14.20 | BlaXpirit | wait what |
| 22:14.29 | moviuro | lainlives: IIRC, middle clic drag'n'drop on the title bar |
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| 22:14.57 | moviuro | ah, nvm, you have oxygen-sans |
| 22:15.25 | moviuro | lainlives: I won't be any further help as I don't use title bars altogether |
| 22:16.19 | BlaXpirit | moviuro, did that rename mess up everything or what |
| 22:16.22 | BlaXpirit | i don't understand |
| 22:17.49 | moviuro | I thought we had both UL screenshots of "Oxygen" and had different versions, not from the same date. But it appears you uploaded "Oxygen-sans" which is a different font, therefore it is not surprising that they are different ;) |
| 22:18.35 | BlaXpirit | but i couldn't find any difference except the letter u |
| 22:18.56 | BlaXpirit | and i don't have a font "Oxygen" |
| 22:19.33 | BlaXpirit | well gotta go |
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| 22:25.24 | q9 | Hi, when i use kdm or sddm to start kf5 i get a lot of kded5 crashes, when i start it from VC via sourcing /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/10-kf5 and ksmserver it works flawless. What's the difference? |
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| 22:27.27 | moviuro | q9: #kde-devel might be a better place to ask IMO |
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| 22:32.28 | q9 | moviuro: ok, thanks |
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| 22:47.15 | lainlives | oh it seems that tabbed window feature only works on oxygen :( |
| 22:47.26 | lainlives | unless i can find a way to implement it into a theme |
| 22:49.59 | moviuro | lainlives: good luck ;) |
| 22:50.37 | lainlives | lol :( alot of the themeing end has been mostly undocumented it seems but im sure its out there |
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| 22:59.18 | Kardos | AndrzejL, thats a strange justification for not contributing |
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| 23:00.05 | AndrzejL | Kardos: I am just messing with you |
| 23:00.13 | Kardos | ;D |
| 23:00.24 | AndrzejL | 20:42 < Kardos> ime, reporting reproducible bugs always gets a positive response because its easy for the dev to verify/fix, and it contributes to the polish of a project |
| 23:00.35 | AndrzejL | :D |
| 23:00.49 | Kardos | oh i see ;D |
| 23:00.53 | AndrzejL | hehe |
| 23:01.46 | karthikp | Oh wow. *Now* I understand that remark. I'd thought that sounded odd, too... |
| 23:05.34 | AndrzejL | haha |
| 23:05.58 | AndrzejL | thats coz i am an odd guy :D |
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| 23:17.48 | leonw1234 | is it possible to draw a line during the mouse gesture? |
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| 23:20.51 | moviuro | leonw1234: doesn't look like you can |
| 23:21.11 | moviuro | you should check bugs.kde.org if there's already a wish for that |
| 23:21.16 | moviuro | in cas not, file one |
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| 23:29.43 | karthikp | Wouldn't a line be very tricky to handle as a mouse gesture? |
| 23:32.04 | leonw1234 | moviuro: thanks mate :) |
| 23:33.53 | leonw1234 | Do any one knows if there is some built-in text replacement utility on kde? |
| 23:34.08 | leonw1234 | like... I type psax and it would expand to ps ax | grep |
| 23:35.31 | moviuro | leonw1234: eg konversation can convert word between double brackets to a wikipedia link |
| 23:35.51 | moviuro | regexp manipulation might be implemented in some places |
| 23:36.02 | moviuro | however, I never used that so, can't tell |
| 23:37.13 | leonw1234 | moviuro: I was looking something like autokey... but native |
| 23:37.26 | leonw1234 | moviuro: autokey is bugged on a lot of distros... |
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| 23:37.42 | leonw1234 | moviuro: and it's an useful thing to have :P |
| 23:37.55 | moviuro | I'm not sure |
| 23:38.13 | moviuro | what happens the day you need to write "psax"? ;P |
| 23:38.44 | leonw1234 | I type psax[tab] |
| 23:39.02 | leonw1234 | it just spands on psax[space] or psax[return] |
| 23:39.16 | leonw1234 | also... dont need to type gerp to many times ;) |
| 23:39.40 | moviuro | at a moment, I had alias G='|grep' |
| 23:39.54 | leonw1234 | wa... nice one |
| 23:40.54 | leonw1234 | do you know if it's possible to export alias files automatically when doing an ssh connection? |
| 23:41.21 | moviuro | though now, I try to use as little aliases as possible, because when I end up with a tcsh or ksh and don't have all these fancy autocompletion or aliases... I'm lost |
| 23:42.03 | leonw1234 | moviuro: mate... a momment not on my zsh it's a really sad momment |
| 23:42.05 | leonw1234 | :P |
| 23:42.48 | moviuro | I use some BSDs and sometimes have to use ksh :( (only during upgrades, but still... really sad ^_^) |
| 23:43.25 | leonw1234 | kkkk... |
| 23:43.59 | leonw1234 | this is something that I really enjoy on IT. We all have our own customizations and little tricks |
| 23:46.33 | moviuro | leonw1234: cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh user@123.45.56.78 "mkdir -p ~/.ssh && cat >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys" |
| 23:46.49 | moviuro | you could do similar things for your zsh config |
| 23:47.34 | moviuro | cat .zshrc | ssh ... "cat > .zshrc" |
| 23:47.37 | moviuro | ssh ... |
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