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| 01:16.39 | ryukafalz | :O I just saw this article about the new Konqi... it's adorable! http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2014/07/awesome-people.html |
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| 03:14.59 | *** topic/#kde is Support KDE: http://www.kde.org/fundraisers/randameetings2014/ | KDE SC 4.13 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
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| 05:46.53 | shevy | on the bottom bar menu, when I hover with my mouse over a window |
| 05:46.57 | shevy | I get a small popup |
| 05:47.05 | shevy | anyone happens to know how this popup can be disabled? |
| 05:47.18 | shevy | (hover over a *minimized window, that is) |
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| 05:57.05 | shevy | found it |
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| 06:58.11 | R0b0t1 | Hey, so, KDE-application question... does anyone know if Kate's highlighting engine has the same syntactical granularity as GtkSourceView? I think GtkSourceView breaks out finer elements, but I'm not completely sure. |
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| 09:24.49 | snassar | hello KDE folks, I used Kleopatra to make a point about displays for PGP fingerprints: https://samirnassar.com/blog/2014-07-07-pgp-fingerprint-experiments/ |
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| 09:30.17 | moviuro | snassar: interesting idea: colors from the fingerprint |
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| 09:43.25 | snassar | moviuro: to be fair, I am not the first to come up with the idea. |
| 09:44.15 | moviuro | anyway, it's really a nice idea and not that difficult (I believe even HTML can handle this by itself) |
| 09:45.31 | snassar | moviuro: read the source Luke. :) My implementations are all CSS/HTML |
| 09:46.00 | snassar | moviuro: I bet this could even be possible to implement in Qt apps without much hassle |
| 09:46.55 | scummos | yes, should be trivial with http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qcolor.html#setNamedColor |
| 09:47.53 | moviuro | snassar: eg I don't find fingerprints on pgp.mit.edu; also they don't use CSS |
| 09:48.27 | snassar | but mind you, I don't actually believe the colors are the best way of representing fingerprints. My main goal is to make it easier for users to verify fingerprints. |
| 09:49.12 | snassar | moviuro: didn't find what fingerprint? |
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| 09:49.58 | snassar | moviuro: yes, well, most PGP software isn't written with ease of use in mind. |
| 09:50.24 | snassar | I had a patch for the SKS key server software just to make the interface usable. |
| 09:50.25 | moviuro | haha |
| 09:50.36 | moviuro | openssh has a visual fingerprint ;) |
| 09:50.47 | snassar | moviuro: yes, there is a discussion of that. |
| 09:51.43 | snassar | moviuro: there is even a python script that implements it: https://github.com/atoponce/keyart |
| 09:52.01 | moviuro | haha ok ok |
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| 09:52.27 | moviuro | but if it's something to put everywhere, it'll need to touch people from GNU, not only from KDE and some python dev ;) |
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| 09:59.29 | snassar | moviuro: well, one battle at a time. |
| 10:00.20 | snassar | moviuro: most gnupg people don't use Kleopatra, or any other GUI, but I use it extensively because I train people on PGP |
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| 10:01.25 | moviuro | snassar: sweet :) I wish people at my college would use it... it would prevent our IT service to send mails containing "This mail is an authentic mail of the IT staff"... ^_^ |
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| 10:02.44 | snassar | moviuro: it wouldn't prevent it, but PGP can make that meaningful. |
| 10:03.15 | moviuro | yeah, espescially because our webmail has pgp signature verification built-in |
| 10:03.29 | snassar | nice. what are you using? |
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| 10:11.54 | scummos | maybe it's just me but webmail with PGP sounds inherently unsafe |
| 10:12.02 | scummos | it's JS in a browser |
| 10:12.05 | scummos | it's never going to be secure :D |
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| 10:13.30 | moviuro | scummos: it is only PGP signature validation |
| 10:13.32 | moviuro | nothing more |
| 10:13.37 | scummos | yeah that might work |
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| 10:13.43 | moviuro | running IIRC on an OpenBSD server |
| 10:14.08 | scummos | ... the signature validation runs on a server? that makes no sense |
| 10:14.36 | moviuro | it reads the mail, checks that the signature is correct, period |
| 10:14.57 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
| 10:15.02 | moviuro | it doesn't do anything like checking whether the key is trusted whatsoever |
| 10:15.09 | moviuro | hi BluesKaj |
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| 10:15.47 | scummos | it requires me to trust $server to correctly validate the signature |
| 10:16.01 | scummos | it's called "end-to-end" for a reason, it doesn't work when you put one end somewhere in the middle ... |
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| 10:17.24 | moviuro | scummos: didn't we already have this conversation? ^_^ |
| 10:17.36 | scummos | I don't recall but it's possible |
| 10:18.06 | BluesKaj | hey moviuro |
| 10:18.08 | scummos | it's likely that I disagreed before when somebody wanted to do end-to-end encryption in the cloud :D |
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| 10:18.50 | snassar | yeah, in-browser OpenPGP gives me the icks |
| 10:19.06 | scummos | wait, wait, this is about *server-side* signature verification |
| 10:19.10 | scummos | which is then displayed by the browser |
| 10:19.38 | snassar | scummos: that's not a solution to anything. |
| 10:19.43 | scummos | I know |
| 10:19.53 | snassar | double-ewww |
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| 10:20.55 | scummos | moviuro: my bottom line is, don't get fooled into using half-baked solutions, either do crypto properly or acknowledge the communication channel is more or less public and don't do crypto at all |
| 10:21.01 | scummos | imo |
| 10:21.26 | moviuro | Though I still don't get the 'ewww' |
| 10:21.31 | snassar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.40 | scummos | well, kmail isn't that bad ;) |
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| 10:22.07 | scummos | moviuro: if a signature is verified on the server, you have to trust the server, which could be manipulated |
| 10:22.13 | snassar | Kmail + kleopatra is good. they need a code audit, a security audit, and some usability work. |
| 10:22.26 | luca__ | kmail has a way too difficult way to setup even the email address |
| 10:22.41 | moviuro | the server is the college's own mail server, with a limited root access (IT team at school), running on OpenBSD (IIRC), there's no reason I shouldn't trust it |
| 10:22.59 | snassar | hopefully Framework 5 will make it easier to create Window and OS X packages for KMail and Kleopatra |
| 10:23.11 | scummos | snassar: since it's only a frontend for gpg, I don't think it can have many security flaws ... but sure, checking never hurts |
| 10:23.25 | scummos | moviuro: sure, "we're the good ones, you can trust us" ⢠;) |
| 10:23.30 | snassar | moviuro: you are missing an important part of the meaning of PGP |
| 10:24.19 | snassar | scummos: well, some things kleopatra does are not good. for example: it uses short key-IDs when it should be using long key-IDs |
| 10:24.56 | snassar | scummos: kleopatra also hasn't really integrated well with a gnupg2 world. |
| 10:25.11 | scummos | snassar: ok, but that doesn't really qualify as a security flaw -- it's more a usability issue, no |
| 10:25.32 | snassar | scummos: it isn't a security flaw in the exploit sense or broken software sense |
| 10:26.35 | snassar | scummos: it is a security issue, in the key-ID problem, in that short key-ID shouldn't be used anymore and expose people to risk. |
| 10:27.00 | snassar | scummos: there is a good chunk of security problems that are usability problems |
| 10:27.12 | scummos | that's true |
| 10:27.19 | orzel | hello. information about kde 'framework' 5 (or plasma 5 and such) do not appear on http://www.kde.org/releaseschedule.ics |
| 10:27.23 | orzel | only stuff about kde4 |
| 10:28.02 | scummos | orzel: I'd guess #kde-sysadmin will be able to tell you whom to talk to |
| 10:28.07 | moviuro | hasn't KF5 gone live, like, this morning? |
| 10:28.11 | orzel | scummos: ok |
| 10:29.09 | scummos | snassar: I guess what I wanted to say was that this isn't the kind of issue you find in a code audit -- it's right there and anyone could just fix it ;) |
| 10:29.14 | orzel | moviuro: (yes) |
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| 10:36.55 | visceral | How do I make KDE stop creating ~/Desktop/{Home,trash}.desktop files? |
| 10:37.19 | visceral | KDE 4.12.5 |
| 10:37.42 | snassar | scummos: I understand. I should submit a patch. |
| 10:37.52 | scummos | always a good idea |
| 10:37.54 | scummos | :) |
| 10:37.55 | moviuro | visceral: distro related I presume. I don't have ~/Desktop |
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| 10:39.16 | visceral | moviuro: it's a KDE thing. You can specify Folder layout for Desktop. By default, it shows the ~/Desktop folder. All that is fine, I just don't want KDE to create the aforementioned files each time I login. |
| 10:39.36 | scriptdevil | Is there any way to reassign Switch activities to something other than Meta-Tab? |
| 10:40.00 | moviuro | scriptdevil: systemsettings > shortcuts & gestures > global shortcuts |
| 10:40.01 | scriptdevil | I need Alt-Tab for Emacs and generally assign Meta-Tab to Switch-Windows. |
| 10:40.46 | scriptdevil | moviuro: That isn't good enough. The activity manager shortcuts only allow me to have shortcuts for specific activities. But cycling through activities isn't there. |
| 10:41.41 | moviuro | scriptdevil: workspace behavior? |
| 10:42.22 | scriptdevil | Aah. It was in Plasma-Desktop. |
| 10:42.23 | scriptdevil | Thanks. |
| 10:42.31 | moviuro | yw |
| 10:44.15 | scriptdevil | I was sceptical about activities, but after forcing myself to use it for a week, they feel so natural now. |
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| 10:44.33 | visceral | moviuro: I figured out a workaround: Make it point to ~/.desktop, which is a symlink to ~/Desktop :) |
| 10:45.14 | moviuro | that's weird because I never recall having a trash.desktop when I still used Plasma as 'show folder' |
| 10:45.42 | lainlives_ | i dont like activities, but i suppose thats why they can easly be hidden away |
| 10:45.58 | visceral | moviuro: right click desktop, Desktop Settings, View, Layout=Folder? And Location=Show the Desktop folder? |
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| 10:46.32 | moviuro | or perhaps I never had ~/Desktop to begin with, as it makes no sense |
| 10:46.36 | visceral | when i do "specify a folder" instead of "show the desktop folder", it's fine. |
| 10:46.54 | moviuro | perhaps that's the resaon, yes |
| 10:47.10 | visceral | moviuro: it makes sense for me because i'm dual booting Windows, and I have a bunch of stuff in $HOME that symlinks to the corresponding places in %USERPROFILE% |
| 10:47.17 | moviuro | (might be for the people from Windope) |
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| 10:47.29 | moviuro | hh |
| 10:47.46 | visceral | moviuro: i basically like to use %USERPROFILE%\Desktop (a.k.a. $HOME/Desktop) as a dumping ground for temorary stuff |
| 10:48.02 | visceral | but I don't like any icons on my desktop save for these temporary files |
| 10:48.16 | visceral | even in Windwos I make it so Recycle Bin doesn't show |
| 10:48.20 | visceral | much more elegant looking :) |
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| 10:48.35 | moviuro | visceral: how can you do that? o.o |
| 10:48.41 | visceral | moviuro: do what? |
| 10:48.43 | scriptdevil | visceral: Can't you choose Add Widget -> Trash Can? |
| 10:48.54 | moviuro | hibe the bin in windope |
| 10:48.55 | visceral | scriptdevil: huh? |
| 10:49.14 | visceral | moviuro: in Personalization Control Panel, there's a Desktop Icons link |
| 10:49.34 | moviuro | oh, I should take a look at that, then ;) thanks |
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| 10:49.44 | scriptdevil | Oh. You did *not* want Trash Can. I thought you wanted one. |
| 10:49.46 | visceral | scriptdevil: i've worked around the problem. the point is that i don't want a trash can but kde auto creates it |
| 10:49.53 | visceral | :) |
| 10:50.00 | visceral | moviuro: yw |
| 10:50.25 | visceral | i'm setting up KDE to reflect all muscle memory of Windows |
| 10:50.44 | visceral | at some point i'm going to want to extract that config from $HOME and turn it into a package that dumps it in /etc/ |
| 10:50.51 | visceral | so that my other users can benefit |
| 10:51.02 | visceral | is there some kde config migration tool that does that? |
| 10:51.30 | moviuro | visceral: no |
| 10:51.34 | scummos | it's probably not many config files |
| 10:51.36 | scummos | you can copy them |
| 10:51.37 | moviuro | (not that I know of) |
| 10:51.44 | scummos | you can even copy the whole .kde4 folder |
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| 10:52.17 | moviuro | scummos: won't this lead to inconsistencies with e.g. akonadi? |
| 10:52.37 | visceral | scummos: i want to cherry pick there absolute minimum diff i can, but okay |
| 10:52.44 | scummos | I don't think so, but akonadi config/data files are not among the ones I'd copy |
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| 10:52.59 | scummos | visceral: you can do that, just pick those config files you want |
| 10:54.11 | visceral | scummos: i'd be picking parts of config files, i think |
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| 10:57.13 | ntz | hello |
| 10:58.27 | visceral | Is there a way to add a blur effect to the background transparency of konsole? |
| 10:58.36 | visceral | So that I can have a more transparent yet still readable terminal... |
| 10:58.49 | visceral | (otherwise bright backgrounds negatively affect readability) |
| 10:58.57 | DaZ | visceral: doesn't the default kde blur effect handle that? |
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| 10:59.07 | ntz | may I ask .. I have kde 4.11.x and I set up kmail/kontacts account to use our company mailserver .. however I started using evolution later but kde mail services are still notifying me about the mail folder changes even when clients are not launched .. where can I disable kde mail checking ? can't find it in session management |
| 10:59.15 | visceral | DaZ: doesn't seem to |
| 10:59.20 | DaZ | weird |
| 10:59.22 | visceral | DaZ: (it's already on) |
| 11:00.23 | moviuro | visceral: it depends on your desktop theme |
| 11:00.28 | visceral | moviuro: default |
| 11:00.34 | moviuro | it was known not to work with bespin |
| 11:00.46 | moviuro | visceral: oxygen? |
| 11:00.57 | visceral | wait, do you mean qt widge style or plasma theme? |
| 11:01.02 | visceral | widget** |
| 11:01.11 | moviuro | and then you set up konsole to use a transparent background? |
| 11:01.16 | moviuro | visceral: *windows style |
| 11:01.23 | moviuro | +' |
| 11:01.30 | moviuro | bespin/qtcurve/oxygen |
| 11:01.35 | visceral | oxygen |
| 11:01.45 | moviuro | that's weird |
| 11:01.46 | visceral | transparency is working, just not blur |
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| 11:01.50 | visceral | intel graphics |
| 11:01.59 | visceral | tries on a fresh user profile |
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| 11:04.11 | DaZ | dunno, i can't get it to blur ,_, |
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| 11:04.35 | DaZ | also on intel |
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| 11:05.11 | moviuro | it was possible on older versions of KDE (4.5, 4.6). At the time, I was using QtCurve |
| 11:05.53 | visceral | DaZ: this is KDE 4.12.5 on Fedora 20 KDE |
| 11:06.01 | visceral | Fresh user account doesn't help |
| 11:06.06 | DaZ | 4.13.2 :v |
| 11:06.20 | visceral | DaZ: which Intel graphics? |
| 11:06.43 | visceral | It's not the biggest deal, I just wanna show off my wallpaper more :) |
| 11:06.45 | DaZ | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (secondary) (rev 0c) |
| 11:06.47 | DaZ | :v |
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| 11:07.08 | visceral | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) |
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| 11:10.06 | DaZ | i'm not sure if it's much better :v |
| 11:10.22 | visceral | DaZ: distro/ver? |
| 11:10.28 | DaZ | arch. |
| 11:10.40 | visceral | Maybe it's a fix in 4.13 |
| 11:11.10 | DaZ | but i said it doesn't work :v |
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| 11:11.55 | visceral | DaZ: oh |
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| 11:21.11 | DaZ | looks like we have to leave all those fancy effects to people with real graphic cards |
| 11:21.13 | DaZ | ,_, |
| 11:21.20 | scriptdevil | When I click on a link in Konversation, it seems to download to /var/run/kdecache-user/krun first and open the local file. Is that intended? |
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| 11:29.50 | scriptdevil | Oh well, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=297491#c2 solved that anyway. Thanks. |
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| 11:30.17 | BluesKaj | scriptdevil, check system settings>default applications>web browser then add a browser to the text field if nothing is already chosen |
| 11:30.33 | scriptdevil | BluesKaj: Yes, that link suggested the same thing. Thanks. |
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| 11:31.01 | scriptdevil | I do not know why that isn't the default behaviour. (or if something I did accidentally unset it) |
| 11:31.22 | moviuro | visceral: does blur work any place else? |
| 11:32.45 | BluesKaj | scriptdevil, do the same in konversation>settings>configure konv>behavior>general>custom web browser\ |
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| 11:43.21 | divansantana | is there a way in kontact to tell a specific email to reply in html, rather than setting it globally for all? |
| 11:44.03 | moviuro | divansantana: you might want to ask on #kontact, too |
| 11:44.48 | divansantana | moviuro: thanks, I did ask there a couple hours ago, no reply so far. Though that channel says user support should come here. I think there might be a bug for this issue. |
| 11:45.21 | moviuro | divansantana: kontact is a really really slow channel |
| 11:45.45 | moviuro | so yeah, just hang around and wait ^_^ |
| 11:46.05 | divansantana | moviuro: noted. Not a prob :) thanks man |
| 11:46.22 | snassar | divansantana: yeah, then 25 people using Kontact </snark> don't make a lively channel. |
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| 11:47.07 | moviuro | *63 |
| 11:47.45 | BluesKaj | what about a #kmail chat? |
| 11:48.00 | BluesKaj | nope |
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| 11:48.34 | snassar | optimally there would be a KMail & Trojita chat |
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| 11:49.22 | BluesKaj | or #PIM |
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| 11:57.01 | visceral | moviuro: like where? |
| 11:57.35 | visceral | moviuro: ah, yes it works on the panel |
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| 12:27.03 | cybermails | Hi everybody. Is there a console command for "Walk through Desktops"? Basically, it switches the Desktop. It should work similar to org.kde.KWin.nextDesktop |
| 12:28.02 | scummos | cybermails: use qdbus and invoke that? |
| 12:28.32 | cybermails | yes I've tried looking for a qdbus command for walk through desktop but could not find it |
| 12:29.03 | cybermails | I know I can use this qdbus org.kde.kwin /KWin org.kde.KWin.nextDesktop to go to next Desktop |
| 12:29.09 | cybermails | but I want walk through desktop |
| 12:30.03 | scummos | can you explain how "walk through" is different from "next"? |
| 12:30.24 | scummos | do you want it to wrap around after the last, is that the issue? |
| 12:32.03 | cybermails | Yes.. at the same time I don't want to check the 'Desktop navigation wraps around' in settings. 'Walk through Desktops' is found in Virtual Desktop Settings.. and I have a keyboard shortcut assigned to it. |
| 12:32.55 | scummos | cybermails: you can write a shell macro which gets the current desktop using qdbus and then sets the current one through qdbus according to your own logic |
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| 12:35.28 | cybermails | scummos: that is true.. however I've never written a shell macro :) I'm currently reading 'The Linux Command Line' book.. so I should be able to do that shortly. Thanks for the suggestion! |
| 12:35.42 | scummos | it shouldn't be hard, good luck ;) |
| 12:35.58 | cybermails | k |
| 12:36.16 | scummos | ipython might also be an easy way to do this with a less hideous language than bash |
| 12:36.30 | cybermails | ok |
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| 12:40.39 | Jucato | scummos: unless he starts doing qdbus calls by using subprocess (like I do ... open to suggestions :P) |
| 12:41.06 | scummos | Jucato: in ipython you can do stuff like foo = !ls |
| 12:41.28 | Jucato | oh! i misread. i didn't notice the 'i' >.< |
| 12:41.34 | scummos | ah ;) |
| 12:41.42 | Jucato | thought you were comparing python to bash (the language) |
| 12:41.46 | Jucato | so sorry :D |
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| 12:42.00 | Jucato | (doesn't make what you said any less true though :P) |
| 12:42.03 | scummos | np, np... yeah, with plain python it's a bit annoying to write something quick |
| 12:42.21 | scummos | (if it requires shell command interaction) |
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| 13:16.19 | snassar | does anyone know the folks behind zuluCrypt? https://code.google.com/p/zulucrypt/ |
| 13:17.07 | snassar | not KDE related, but Qt |
| 13:17.37 | Jucato | might be better to ask in #qt then? |
| 13:18.43 | vegavega | How is the status on Plasma 5? |
| 13:18.56 | vegavega | I see several dates for it concerning release :) |
| 13:19.26 | snassar | Jucato: you never know what you find in #kde |
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| 13:20.02 | Jucato | same goes for #qt, especially for qt things :) |
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| 13:21.01 | snassar | Jucato: okok, twist my arm. :D |
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| 13:21.26 | Jucato | warms up a bit |
| 13:21.38 | Jucato | oh wait, figure of speech right? :D |
| 13:22.08 | snassar | Jucato: <sideeye> right... |
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| 13:28.10 | snassar | hell kde folks, I train people, mostly journalists, on digital security. Kleopatra is one of my tools on Windows. If you are developing for/maintaining Kleopatra I'm happy to chat. |
| 13:30.36 | Jucato | not 100% sure, but I think the kleopatra devs hang around in #kontact |
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| 13:30.55 | Jucato | as per http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kleopatra/development |
| 13:33.19 | snassar | Jucato: thanks and done. still happy to chat about how people use Kleopatra with non-KOntact KDE folks. |
| 13:34.01 | Jucato | sure, but you never know what you find in #kontact :P |
| 13:34.16 | Jucato | kidding. you did specifically mention developers/maintainers thoough :D |
| 13:34.38 | snassar | Jucato: damn it. hung by my own words. |
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| 13:35.50 | snassar | hey KDE folks, want to help save the world and become a security rockstar? Let me tell you some Kleopatra stories. |
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| 13:36.14 | snassar | Jucato: better? ^^^ :D |
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| 13:37.02 | Jucato | heh sorry :) |
| 13:37.16 | snassar | ;) |
| 13:37.28 | snassar | not at all, second attempt much better. |
| 13:37.29 | Jucato | yep. can't find any hook there to hang you with :D |
| 13:37.36 | Jucato | at least not yet |
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| 14:22.11 | Luca_Scarface | Sorry, does anyone have a simple guide for setting up KMail? |
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| 14:25.01 | moviuro | Luca_Scarface: hahaha, good question ;) IDK, but you might as well ask questions one after the other here and on #kontact |
| 14:25.06 | moviuro | I'll try to answer |
| 14:25.41 | moviuro | (I'm no dev of any kind though, just a curious user who went through the menus and made some sense of them) |
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| 14:28.11 | snassar | Luca_Scarface: https://userbase.kde.org/Working_with_GMail |
| 14:28.25 | snassar | this is an example if you are working with a GMail account |
| 14:28.48 | snassar | Luca_Scarface: there is also http://www.slackermedia.info/kontact/index.html |
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| 14:30.09 | Luca_Scarface | thanks snassar, I'll check them out right now! |
| 14:30.35 | moviuro | yeah, well, given how much KMail can do, I'm not sure they'll ever cover everything ^_^ |
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| 14:32.59 | snassar | Luca_Scarface: if you have questions, feel free to ask. |
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| 14:36.42 | hackerspace | Hey, just wanted to know when is Season of KDE going to happen this year? |
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| 14:40.32 | Asad3ainJalout_ | Hey guys, whenever I try to launch kde i always get this error "Could not start D-Bus. Can you Call qdbus?" I have tried alot of the solutions that came up in google, none of them worked |
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| 14:44.55 | Luca_Scarface | snassar, I wanted to set up an account in kmail, a pop3 account (gmail.com), but I don't know what to write in "mail server" |
| 14:46.34 | cb400f | pop.google.com |
| 14:46.41 | cb400f | for incoming |
| 14:47.13 | cb400f | also need to use ssl/tls + port 995 |
| 14:47.30 | cb400f | should be plenty of howtos for gmail pop3 server information |
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| 14:53.06 | Luca_Scarface | despite having done everything to set up, it doesn't load the mail .... |
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| 14:55.30 | Luca_Scarface | well whatever, I'll just use thunderbird |
| 14:55.35 | Luca_Scarface | thanks anyways guys :D |
| 14:56.00 | Asad3ainJalout_ | Hey guys, whenever I try to launch kde i always get this error "Could not start D-Bus. Can you Call qdbus?" I have tried alot of the solutions that came up in google, none of them worked |
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| 15:07.40 | dyrvere | Yay, KF5! :D |
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| 15:14.34 | Asad3ainJalout | Hey guys, whenever i try to launch KDE it gives me a little dialog box that says "Could not start D-Bus. Can you Call qdbus?". I have tried reinstalling kde, dbus etc., nothing works |
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| 15:20.49 | BluesKaj | Asad3ainJalout: is kde-workspace installed? |
| 15:21.52 | Asad3ainJalout | BluesKaj: I installed the kde-meta package on arch linux which contains everything necessarry to run kde |
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| 15:23.03 | BluesKaj | Asad3ainJalout: obviously not everything |
| 15:23.53 | Asad3ainJalout | ok ill check if kde workspace is installed gimme a sec |
| 15:25.06 | Asad3ainJalout | this is installed local/kdebase-workspace 4.11.10-2 (kde kdebase) |
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| 16:27.58 | litb | hello all |
| 16:28.07 | litb | what does the release of frameworks 5 *mean* ? |
| 16:28.07 | Shaan7 | hello |
| 16:28.42 | Shaan7 | litb: if you are a user, its not really that useful for you directly. For a developer, it means that using parts of KDE libraries becomes easier. |
| 16:28.45 | litb | is it now not long anymore to a new release of KDE5 ? |
| 16:28.59 | Shaan7 | I dont think there is a KDE5 |
| 16:29.02 | litb | has it any impact on Qt5 ? |
| 16:29.13 | litb | like kde4 had on graphicsview for example? |
| 16:29.29 | Shaan7 | litb: no, but KF5 does use Qt5 so you'll need it to run KF5 libs. |
| 16:29.41 | Shaan7 | litb: i didnt understand the kde4/graphicsview example |
| 16:30.05 | litb | wasn't kde4 the one who pushed graphicsview into qt4 |
| 16:30.28 | litb | they depended on it so trolltech decided to add it to qt4 |
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| 16:30.56 | Shaan7 | well I'm not 100% sure of history, but that doesn't sound sensible. Qt4 had a shiny thing called graphicsview so KDE4 used it. |
| 16:31.03 | litb | Shaan7, how long will it take till we have a new kde5 desktop from now on? |
| 16:31.57 | Shaan7 | litb: there is a new version of Plasma coming soon, the RC is scheduled to be out today/tomorrow |
| 16:32.13 | Shaan7 | not sure if we're calling it "KDE 5" |
| 16:32.32 | litb | Shaan7, ah i mean the collection together with dolphin and all that other stuff |
| 16:32.43 | litb | what is it called? |
| 16:32.57 | Shaan7 | this was the beta https://dot.kde.org/2014/06/10/plasma-5-second-beta-needs-testing |
| 16:32.58 | BlaXpirit | basically, what version will e.g. Dolphin display in its About? |
| 16:33.06 | Shaan7 | checks that |
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| 16:33.54 | litb | hm it doesn't make sense to have plasma5 with qt4 dolphin :/ |
| 16:33.59 | Shaan7 | the next KDE SC should be 4.14 as far as I can tell |
| 16:34.08 | Shaan7 | the current Plasma 5 dolphin says "KDE 4.13.2" |
| 16:34.25 | litb | the "-" on those circular "pop away" boxes is one pixel too far on the left |
| 16:34.32 | litb | in that plasma4 beta pic |
| 16:35.07 | litb | Shaan7, ah so 4.14 will use mostly qt5? |
| 16:35.14 | BlaXpirit | Shaan7, the current plasma 1 dolphin says KDE 4.13.2 -_- |
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| 16:35.57 | BlaXpirit | hm really doesn't make any sense if the version won't be bumped to 5 |
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| 16:36.11 | Riddell | sup? |
| 16:36.38 | Shaan7 | litb: BlaXpirit: just in time, Riddell might know better answers ;) |
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| 16:37.15 | Shaan7 | Riddell: I think the question is whats the next KDE SC version? |
| 16:37.26 | Shaan7 | (which will include Plasma5) |
| 16:37.37 | Riddell | SC is dead |
| 16:37.37 | litb | is KDE the biggest opensource project? |
| 16:37.43 | Riddell | 4.14 is the last version, it'll be LTS |
| 16:37.58 | litb | Riddell, oh, what does it mean that it is dead? |
| 16:38.02 | Riddell | releases are now split into Frameworks, Plasma and Applications, all separate |
| 16:38.11 | Riddell | Frameworks 5.0 was out yesterday |
| 16:38.22 | litb | ohh |
| 16:38.22 | Riddell | I'm about to announce Plasma 5.0 Release Candidate |
| 16:38.24 | BlaXpirit | ok Riddell, obviously frameworks and plasma will be 5.0 |
| 16:38.26 | Riddell | and Apps in the future |
| 16:38.38 | BlaXpirit | I'm interested in the version of Applications now |
| 16:38.42 | litb | i guess it will take some months to have apps finished |
| 16:38.47 | BlaXpirit | will it be changed to 5 too? when? |
| 16:38.48 | Shaan7 | litb: yep |
| 16:39.04 | litb | Riddell, is the requirement that apps need to use qt5 before they can be released with Applications? |
| 16:39.07 | BlaXpirit | and is the only difference porting to qt5 and kf5? |
| 16:39.11 | Shaan7 | litb: nope, i dont so |
| 16:39.19 | Shaan7 | *think so |
| 16:39.48 | litb | Riddell, ah can one use applications from kde4 together with plasma+frameworks from kde5 world? |
| 16:40.22 | BlaXpirit | i really doubt it |
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| 16:41.18 | Shaan7 | I'd say yes to that |
| 16:41.26 | Shaan7 | as Qt4 and Qt5 libraries can coexist |
| 16:41.36 | Shaan7 | just like you coudl run KDE3 apps on KDE4 |
| 16:41.46 | Riddell | litb: yes |
| 16:41.49 | BlaXpirit | but integration |
| 16:41.50 | Riddell | BlaXpirit: yes |
| 16:41.51 | dyrvere | Isn't that why there's a aids lib package? |
| 16:41.52 | litb | hm, they are mostly using dbus for communication and command line parameters via mime types so why not |
| 16:42.05 | Riddell | litb: yes you can use kdelibs4 applications with Plasma 5 |
| 16:42.11 | BlaXpirit | mm indeed, litb |
| 16:42.43 | litb | nice, i hope archlinux will make available kde5 in the next weeks then xD |
| 16:42.52 | BlaXpirit | plasma 5 * |
| 16:43.19 | litb | i thought they have a virtual package that sucks in all of {whatever it is called}-5 called "kde" |
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| 16:45.47 | BlaXpirit | I wonder what KWin is part of |
| 16:47.03 | dyrvere | plasma-next according to Arch. :p Not sure if that's right. |
| 16:47.03 | Shaan7 | BlaXpirit: Plasma/Workspace from what I can tell |
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| 16:48.21 | BlaXpirit | makes sense if it's not simply "Plasma" |
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| 16:49.09 | Shaan7 | I am sure KWin and Plasma have to be released together as they depend a lot on each other |
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| 16:52.42 | cybermails | Hi there. When I click the clock in the panel, it displays the calendar and 'No upcoming events'. Is there a way to remove that section and only display the calendar? |
| 16:53.00 | cybermails | I'm using Manjaro KDE |
| 16:53.25 | BlaXpirit | cybermails, have you tried going to settings? -_- |
| 16:53.51 | BlaXpirit | more specifically, right click > Digital Clock Settings |
| 16:53.59 | cybermails | Yes.. i unchecked 'Display events' in the Calendar option |
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| 16:54.38 | BlaXpirit | cybermails, okaaaay, that doesn't work |
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| 16:57.16 | cybermails | any luck? |
| 16:57.53 | BlaXpirit | cybermails, i don't see a way |
| 16:58.11 | BlaXpirit | I have quite a few events there |
| 16:58.24 | BlaXpirit | kinda useful sometimes |
| 16:58.35 | BlaXpirit | and by events i mean predefined state holidays |
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| 16:59.18 | cybermails | yeah.. i disabled akonadi, which freed up ~200MB or RAM, so now I have no use of the events |
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| 17:17.15 | lordievader | Good evening. |
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| 17:19.54 | aerofoam | yo |
| 17:21.46 | shadeslayer | cybermails: it's gone in Plasma 5, though it will probably come back |
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| 17:22.22 | cybermails | shadeslayer: oh that's great to know... i hope it doesn't come back :) |
| 17:22.46 | shadeslayer | heh |
| 17:22.48 | shadeslayer | liked it |
| 17:22.54 | shadeslayer | shows you holidays |
| 17:22.57 | shadeslayer | holidays are awesome |
| 17:23.23 | cybermails | lol |
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| 17:24.00 | aerofoam | I'm a stay-at-home dad. Every day's a holiday! |
| 17:24.23 | cybermails | wow |
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| 17:42.48 | inte | hello i have some problems with kontact |
| 17:42.56 | inte | all my mail-folders are gone |
| 17:42.59 | inte | imap |
| 17:43.09 | inte | is there a rebuild command or sth? |
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| 17:44.32 | inte | no errors when i invoke kmail from the command line |
| 17:44.37 | inte | except for missing themes |
| 17:45.14 | cybermails | i wish i could help.. but i just removed kmail from my system |
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| 17:49.59 | moviuro | inte: #kontact |
| 17:50.16 | inte | moviuro: oh thank you didnt know! |
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| 17:51.16 | inte | bye |
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| 18:05.48 | cybermails | BlaXpirit: If you're still here I found a way to get rid of the events in calendar :) |
| 18:05.58 | BlaXpirit | sorry, don't know |
| 18:06.25 | cybermails | no i said i found a way to do it |
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| 18:22.03 | BlaXpirit | ooh |
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| 19:55.43 | latenite | Hi folks, I have TWO batteries in my laptop. Is there a way to configure the energy managemnt for BOTH of them in a differnt way? (one drains faster and suspends the laptop WAY BEFORE the other one is even empty) |
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| 20:08.38 | moviuro | latenite: oh, that's an issue I'll have to tackle too once I get my second one :o |
| 20:09.31 | moviuro | I would say, disable the suspend on low battery |
| 20:10.04 | moviuro | (you get notifications from everywhere when you're low on power: KDE, even your leds start blinking in an other color) |
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| 20:21.46 | rdieter | latenite: what version of kde-workspace are you using? |
| 20:22.23 | rdieter | it should work the way to you describe already (mine does), only suspending when the aggregate power supply gets low |
| 20:24.35 | rdieter | (or it did, cant test right now, need a replacement second battery, my last one died recently) |
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| 21:23.03 | crudson | where is the app launcher KDE image cached? Changing it to an edited version picks up the old one still. |
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| 21:47.19 | moviuro | crudson: /var/tmp/kdecache-$(whoami)/icon-cache.kcache |
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| 21:51.51 | crudson | moviuro: thanks, appreciate the info! I cheated and used a new file location, but this is great to know for the future. |
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| 22:05.31 | moviuro | crudson: next time, logout, rm the file, login |
| 22:05.43 | moviuro | I *think* that must be it |
| 22:05.58 | moviuro | it is the cache for some other icons (like the ones in dolphin) |
| 22:06.50 | crudson | moviuro: it gets touched when I update the app launcher icon, so must be it |
| 22:07.04 | moviuro | ok, nice to know :) |
| 22:07.32 | crudson | moviuro: thanks! I will do a test just nuking it, would prefer to not logout with things like this |
| 22:07.50 | moviuro | crudson: well, it worked for me |
| 22:07.55 | moviuro | perhaps you don't need to |
| 22:08.04 | moviuro | trial and error |
| 22:08.06 | moviuro | ;) |
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| 22:15.09 | crudson | moviuro: had to logout. Touched files on login are: plasma_theme_internal-system-colors.kcache icon-cache.kcache plasma_theme_oxygen_v2.0.kcache but may be something lingering in memory perhaps |
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