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03:05.14brianjohnGood evening, I'm trying to start a new session from an alternate tty (cntl+alt+F6), typing startx will pop me into KDE if it's my previous session, which is great.
03:05.44brianjohnBut I can't figure out how to open a different session (like openbox).   I know when I use 'switch-user, start new session' in KDE I can essentially do this.
03:06.06brianjohnI want to know what KDE does under the covers so I can call this manually at the command line to accomplish my goal
03:06.21brianjohnAnybody point me in the right direction?
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03:06.50brianjohnxinit and startx will work to a degree but get cryptic error messages and no terminal
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03:11.52brianjohnok thanks anyway
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03:57.31DocScrutinizer05Marquel: thanks for the tip with x11vnc, which works great, unlike krfb. However I'm using KRDC to connect to x11vnc which works fine but to me it seems that doesn't allow any other port than the default 5900+. Do I miss something? How would I connect to a VNC server on a non-standard port?
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04:26.28rdieterDocScrutinizer05: from krdc helpcenter docs "If you want to connect to a machine named megan, which is running a VNC server on screen 1 (5901), you can enter megan:1 or megan:5901 and choose vnc as the protocol in the drop down box."
04:26.56DocScrutinizer05ooooh
04:27.19DocScrutinizer05I missed that, or maybe it's missing here
04:27.58DocScrutinizer05so everything >$some-number is considered a port number rather than a display number? that's great, many thanks!
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04:28.46DocScrutinizer05rdieter: thanks a lot!
04:28.59rdieterDocScrutinizer05: good question, not sure what it uses to tell the difference
04:29.17DocScrutinizer05well, prolly a simple ">= 100"
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04:29.59DocScrutinizer05$DISPLAY is hardly ever in the two digits
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08:41.10nekoxmachinapac: hi
08:41.39pacnon riesco a bilanciare i volumi e non riesco ad installare vumix o altre cose mi dà sempre errore
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08:47.38pacsono riuscito ad installare veromix ma ogni volta che lo apro si chiude. Consigli?
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09:00.43nagerstis it possible to set the screen to grayscale inKDE?
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09:13.50ShalokShalomhi there
09:14.07ShalokShalomi have the answer on a question in the forums
09:14.44ShalokShalomits just, that non of my 3 accounts are working, i really start to hate kde identity, password request dont work
09:14.56ShalokShalomcan anybody post it in my name, please ?
09:15.07valorieyou should only have ONE account, linked to your identity
09:15.17ShalokShalomyep
09:15.25valorieplease ask the sysadmins to fix it: #kde-sysadmins
09:15.33ShalokShalomi mean: non of my 3 e mail adress are working
09:15.40ShalokShalomthey are all "already taken"
09:15.42valorieno, nobody can post as YOU
09:15.50valoriethe sysadmins can fix it
09:15.50ShalokShalom?
09:15.54ShalokShalommy language is broken
09:16.04ShalokShalomi dont mean that anybody post in my name
09:16.10ShalokShalomi just cannot log in
09:16.16ShalokShalomplease, make it easy
09:16.18ShalokShalomhttps://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=83135&sid=e64684b380e6c3b8869e917435d1b753&start=15
09:16.29valorieright, please ask the sysadmins for help: #kde-sysadmins
09:17.18ShalokShalom-.-
09:17.33ShalokShalomplease, i really dont like to use the forums
09:17.42ShalokShalomi just want to help
09:17.57ShalokShalomanswer on the admins request: http://paste.kde.org/ptlui9g1r
09:17.59ShalokShalomthanks
09:18.36valorieright
09:18.43valorieno can do....
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09:24.55xmorphhi, I have installed kde and everytime i logout my desktop settings are lost...does anyone know what is wrong ?
09:25.21xmorphi think it's activities stuff.
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09:31.32madduckI do not use KDE, but I do use Okular. If it encounters an error, it beeps. How can I fix that? I don't ever want anything to emit a noise through my speakers unless I ask it to.
09:32.20otjuramadduck: well you'd need to disable system bell in KDE settings I think
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09:36.27madduckotjura: can't I edit a config file?
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09:38.38pacribuongiorno e scusate se formulo nuovamente la domanda. kmix non ne vuole sapere di avviarsi, avete deiu suggerimenti?
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09:42.08otjuramadduck: I don't know of that, just switched to KDE myself recently
09:43.50madducki would not be surprised if this wasn't possible. :(
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09:47.02crimsonduskxmorph: perhaps you have a permissions problem?
09:47.34xmorphcrimsondusk: i don't know. how i can check that ?
09:49.25crimsonduskxmorph: you can check with: find ~/.config \! -user `whoami`
09:50.18xmorphcrimsondusk: i get nothing. my kde settings are in ~/.kde4/
09:50.23crimsonduskoh, derp
09:50.41crimsonduskand it says nothing if you point it to .kde4?
09:50.47xmorphyes
09:51.03crimsonduskwelp, I tried
09:51.10xmorphthanks :)
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09:52.38crimsonduskwait
09:52.59crimsonduskxmorph: maybe the write permission is missing then? the test i posted only shows ownership problems
09:53.04crimsonduskfind ~/.config \! -writable
09:53.17crimsondusker
09:53.19crimsondusk~/.kde4
09:53.22crimsondusk<_>
09:53.42xmorphcrimsondusk: again nothing
09:53.49crimsonduskoh well
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10:54.44VollstreckerHey guys, I got a little problem withb knode. It tries to contact it's server over my proxy, which doesn't work. The server has an entry in exceptions-list, and wireshark shows me, that exactly this hostname is sent to the proxy in the request.
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11:31.36VollstreckerI just checked, akonadi tries to connect over the proxy too. It should contact my imap-server directly. Are there any additional settings for this?
11:37.10Zaisterwhat does plasma 5 use in place of kdm?
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13:00.37pacciao a tutti
13:00.44pacCiao a tutti!
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13:01.54pacnon mi riesce in nessun modo a regolare i volumi audio dei canali separati. Vorrei aumentare il volume del canale sinistro ma sul mxer non compare il relativo controllo! consigli?
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13:40.50dtrdznarch linux // kde 4 > kde 5 installed.. kde 5 running but buggy..  should i have uninstalled kde 4 first ?
13:41.37dtrdznor can anyone point me in the right direction for getting kde5 to work for me
13:41.49dtrdznreading material or..
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13:42.20ovrflw0xi just accidently removed something from panel, how can i get it back to what it was?
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13:43.05nemysisit is in Trash or not
13:43.14ovrflw0xhuh?
13:43.34ovrflw0xi had "icon only task manager" i clicked x and eveyrthing just disappeared
13:44.42ovrflw0xnemysis: how to get all the stored icon in the panel back?
13:45.25nemysislook in dolphin
13:46.48ovrflw0xnemysis: ? where in dolphin?
13:47.21ovrflw0xis there something like "Undo"
13:47.23ovrflw0x?
13:47.25nemysisthis is File Manger and have Trash
13:47.47ovrflw0xnemysis: trash can is empty
13:48.16nemysisok then i not knew you have perhaps only on apps closed
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13:52.52DocScrutinizer05DUH! channel CTCP allowed? chanop, please fix that!
13:54.05e1z0lol
13:54.40DocScrutinizer05chanops: /mode #<chan> -C; please!
13:55.25DocScrutinizer05err +C of course
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16:13.19DecessusHi, I'm running OpenSuse 13.1, with KDE 4. I installed the OS fresh a few days ago, and all was working fine. Last night, the problem started. Every time I shut my computer down, KDE logs into a black screen. I have to delete my ~/.kde4 folder and start over with everything...any ideas?
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16:20.06hagabakaDecessus: log in to a virtual console and check ~/.xsession_errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
16:25.14DecessusI don't see anything KDE related in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and ~/.xsession_errors does not exist. Is there something else I would be hunting for in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
16:30.51hagabakaDecessus: sorry it should be ~/.xsession-errors
16:31.42hagabakaand usually just see if there's a line with (EE) for error in Xorg.0.log
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16:33.46Decessushagabaka, the Xorg log is clean..all looks well there then. However, the xsession-errors-:0 has this line I think is at fault: kded(1769) LayoutMemoryPersister::restoreFromFile: Failed to open layout memory xml file for reading "/home/james/.kde4/share/apps/kded/session/keyboard/layout_memory.xml" error: 5
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16:35.49Decessusactually..that log is riddled with plasma errors
16:36.21Expi1Anyone know where to look to change a panel's text color?
16:40.22Decessushttp://pastebin.com/DbeJ7HYX
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17:35.46DecessusSo, I figured out that an applet is what causes it.
17:36.20DecessusIf I add 'Remember The Milk" to the desktop, I get that behavior.
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19:22.17xconspirisist2hi folks. Any idea how I refresh a structure definition (JavaScript) in Okteta without having to restart Okteta itself?
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19:38.06jerichowasahoaxIs there a way to force KDE to wait until plasma-desktop has actually finished loading before starting a certain program?
19:41.40jerichowasahoaxIt's just that conky loads up before my desktop wallpaper does, and when the wallpaper finally does come in conky gets obscured. I can of course run "killall -USR1 conky" to bring it back up but it's not ideal
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20:00.23BlaXpiritjerichowasahoax, how does it start the certain program?
20:00.39BlaXpiritwtf how can a wallpaper obscure anything
20:00.54BlaXpiritthere is something horrible going on here
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20:06.34jerichowasahoaxBlaXpirit: Just with the Autostart setting in KDE System Settings. And it's making a desktop-level window (because it's assuming I've got my wallpaper sorted out already)
20:07.26BlaXpiritjerichowasahoax, with autostart there is only one true way
20:07.31BlaXpirityou add 1 script to autostart
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20:07.38BlaXpiritand in it you write everything you want to start
20:07.52BlaXpiritwith appropriate `sleep`s before and in between
20:08.58jerichowasahoaxThat would be perfectly reasonable if this same autostart wasn't responsible for starting plasma-desktop as well. Is Autostart a broken feature?
20:09.13BlaXpiritjerichowasahoax, wait what
20:09.41jerichowasahoaxBlaXpirit: hold on, getting screenshot
20:09.43BlaXpiriti don't understand  why autostart is responsible for starting plasma-desktop
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20:11.16jerichowasahoaxBlaXpirit: http://i.cubeupload.com/hpFc8E.png
20:11.33jerichowasahoaxBlaXpirit: If I remove that plasma-desktop entry I have to start the thing myself.
20:11.41BlaXpiritblah wtf is this
20:11.47BlaXpirithold up a sec
20:12.52BlaXpiritand why does that screenshot look so ugly
20:12.56BlaXpiritanyway, here is what i meant
20:12.58BlaXpirithttp://i.imgur.com/oz36HOL.png
20:13.36BlaXpiritbasically you remove from there everything that you added  yourself
20:13.52jerichowasahoaxBlaXpirit: Ugly how? It's default theme and I cropped it to only include the entries
20:13.53BlaXpiritplasma desktop isn't supposed to be there, but whatever, looks like your system is special
20:14.12jerichowasahoaxBlaXpirit: Script files run after desktop files?
20:14.19BlaXpiritno
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20:14.25BlaXpiritdesktop files are .desktop files
20:14.29BlaXpiritscript files are whatever
20:14.35BlaXpiritso
20:14.37BlaXpiritgo ahead
20:14.42BlaXpiritand remove that Conky entry
20:14.52BlaXpiritthen make a bash file somewhere
20:14.56BlaXpirit#!/bin/bash
20:15.01BlaXpiritand make it executable
20:15.04BlaXpiritand write to it
20:15.08BlaXpiritsleep 10
20:15.10BlaXpiritconky&
20:15.37BlaXpiritcan do the same with Steam and add it before or after Conky
20:15.50BlaXpiritBTW  it's nice to start it as     STEAM_FRAME_FORCE_CLOSE=1 steam &
20:15.54BlaXpiritlike in my screenshot
20:16.09jerichowasahoaxseems like it'd be less work with my config to just prepend "sleep 10 &&" to the conky entry, in fact I don't know why I didn't think of that before coming here
20:16.24BlaXpiritmaybe it will work
20:16.26BlaXpiritbut uhh
20:16.33BlaXpiritit's a  .desktop file you're modifying
20:16.37BlaXpiritit may modify it for everything
20:16.45BlaXpiriti don't know how that stuff works
20:17.23jerichowasahoaxI clicked the "Add Program" button on the side, I *think* it generated a separate .desktop file
20:17.30jerichowasahoaxI could be hilariously wrong about that but still
20:17.42BlaXpiriti don't think so
20:18.09BlaXpiritno, it adds a global desktop file
20:18.39BlaXpiritwait what
20:18.50BlaXpiritno, it copies it actually
20:20.12jerichowasahoaxBlaXpirit: While I still have it on screen, what does this STEAM_FRAME_FORCE_CLOSE variable do
20:20.21BlaXpiritgoogle
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20:21.01BlaXpiritah it minimizes to system tray if you click X in Steam
20:21.10BlaXpiritbecause by default it keeps taskbar entry there
20:21.43jerichowasahoaxSo basically it stops the behavior that only makes sense in Ubuntu's thing. I can live with that
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20:22.26BlaXpiritye...
20:22.52BlaXpiritwell, I made my KDE into a kind of Ubuntu's thing :|
20:23.24BlaXpiriteven changed the font to "Ubuntu"
20:24.07jerichowasahoaxyou know what i meant :V
20:24.17BlaXpirityes
20:24.39BlaXpiritand do you see my panel that mimicks Ubuntu/Unity?
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20:27.32jerichowasahoaxWith the exception that your panel actually behaves nicely, I take it?
20:28.20BlaXpiritnot that different from Ubuntu
20:28.34BlaXpiritwell, i actually don't know, because I never got close with Unity
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20:29.26jerichowasahoaxThis thing I'm having with Conky is actually the worst problem I've had with KDE since I've used it, and I've been a mostly loyal user since...3.2?
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20:29.37BlaXpiritD:
20:29.44BlaXpiritwell, Conky isn't KDE anyways
20:29.49jerichowasahoaxUnity however, hoo lawd
20:30.02jerichowasahoaxBlaXpirit: I know, and it isn't even that big of a problem
20:30.27jerichowasahoaxi have to put a sleep in my shortcut, when will the misery end?
20:30.48BlaXpiritthe next time you log in
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22:57.13test20does kde using kwin somehow handle the clipboard, cutting and pasting, and snarfing differently from any other desktop/window manager, etc combination?
22:58.08test20I am having a problem that only occurs with distros when running kwin and can't figure our the source of the problem
22:58.43test20Is this an abandoned channel?
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22:58.56valorienot very active today, for sure
22:59.05valoriemust be good weather everywhere....
22:59.07test20oh good it isn't a ghost channel then
22:59.13test20ha
22:59.18valorieusually very active
22:59.20test20not in japan
22:59.23test20or really
22:59.37valoriehave you checked in klipper setup?
22:59.38test20valorie, do you know anything about kwin?
22:59.49test20oh
22:59.51valorieonly in general
22:59.54test20just a sec
23:00.05valorieI found that sometimes select didn't copy
23:00.12valorieand I had to change it in klipper
23:00.28valorienot sure what you mean by snarfing
23:01.06test20just a sec, I need to reconnect to that machine
23:01.14test20oh?
23:01.22test20by select do you mean snarfing?
23:01.48test20i.e. hilight + middle clidk
23:01.52test20click
23:02.07valorieby select I mean for instance click, hold, arrow key or just dragging over text or image
23:02.21valorieyes, we mean the same
23:03.07test20hmmm  it looks like klipper isn't even running
23:03.16test20unless the process has a different name
23:03.46valoriethe icon is a scissors
23:04.00test20I don't use gui things much
23:04.11test20but I am totally dependent on the grid
23:04.25test20for workspace and window management
23:04.28valoriesystem activity shows the name as `klipper` for me
23:04.35test20and just to know where I am
23:04.53valorieusually part of the standard plasma install, at least in Kubuntu
23:05.28test20nope, not running:
23:05.54test20oh dear, I cant show you things easily from here, I will login to this channel from that machine
23:06.27valorietest20: what distro?
23:06.33valorieand what version of KDE
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23:07.37temp20-what the
23:08.00temp20-I thought I was on #kde to continue a conversation, but it doesn't look like it
23:08.08test20oh yes, ok
23:08.47test20the answer is complicated.  I will give you the simplified version  - linux mint 64 kde
23:09.53test20the problem lies in the difference between the different kde setups, the biggest difference I thought was kwin, but it is probably klipper now that I see it isn't running
23:10.08test20I will alternate betweer test20 here and
23:10.22temp20-test20- here  if that is all right
23:10.28temp20-oops
23:10.42test20-now that is true
23:11.29test20I am using more than one machine in order to cut and paste
23:12.39valoriei've been there
23:12.52valoriedropbox or a pastebin will help
23:12.59test20-ok clipper is now running: mint     13598  1.0  0.5 293196 18732 ?        S    19:12   0:00          \_ /usr/bin/klipper
23:13.07valoriehttp://paste.kde.org works well
23:13.39valorienear the bottom of the klipper screen you'll see a little wrench
23:13.40test20tha is ok, I'm set up here now.  but if more than 3 lines a pastebin it is
23:13.58valorieconfigure klipper
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23:14.01test20I don't know that I have actively used klipper before
23:14.08test20where is the klipper screen?
23:14.20test20-back here with klipper
23:14.42valorieclick and hold, and the screen will pop up
23:14.52test20-?
23:14.52valoriehttps://userbase.kde.org/Klipper is the user manual
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23:14.58valoriewith screenshots
23:15.10test20-nnnope
23:15.10valorieoh, just click
23:15.15valorieno hold necessary
23:15.20valorie?
23:15.24test20-click what
23:15.37valoriethe little scissor icon in your task bar
23:16.02test20-oh, I see it now
23:16.38test20-what should I do?
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23:17.12test20clipboard actions are enabled
23:17.44valorielook through that link I posted above
23:17.47valorieit's short
23:17.59test20aha, syncronize contents of the clipboard and the selection?
23:18.07test20I didn't see a link
23:18.09valorieooo, I didn't know klipper could paste directly to pastebin
23:18.12test20oh now i see it
23:18.18valoriehttps://userbase.kde.org/Klipper is the user manual
23:19.00test20I will read that, but was your sugesstion that my problem came from not using klipper while using kwin?
23:20.01valorieah, that I do not know
23:20.12valorieI've never used plasma or kwin without klipper
23:20.23test20well now that klipper is there I will at least try to use it properly
23:20.29test20ok
23:20.32test20thanks
23:20.40valorieyou are very welcome
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23:24.54test20ok I will tell you my real problem (it seems when more than one thing is involved everyone insists it has nothing to do with the one you are asking about only the others)
23:25.09test20I connect to that machine remotely using x2go
23:25.33test20I can cut+paste and snarf locally on that machine.
23:27.10test20I can cut and paste and snarf on every other conceivable configuration with x2go from remote machine to local machine.  I didn't mention that because I was afraid you would mistakenly think it is an x2go problem.  It is the way the clipboard is made available that is somehow the problem.
23:27.36valoriesorry, I know nothing about x2go
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23:28.51test20you might want to know about x2go  though.  do you know about vnc,  nx/freenx, etc.?
23:29.52valorienope
23:30.09valorieI think you need a time of day where more folks are actually online
23:30.15valorienot just apparently so
23:31.19test20well x2go is the first program of that kind where you can actually use the remote desktop as if it were local and feel like you are on the other machine.
23:31.26test20where are most folks here living?
23:31.33valoriethere was a vnc question and answer session 12-14 hours ago
23:31.40valoriemost here are in europe
23:31.43test20oh the x2go part was for you, not for me
23:31.46valorieis american
23:31.52test20ok
23:32.19test20I just thought you might want to try it.
23:32.46valorieI generally just use my laptop and am online
23:32.52valorieI'm a writer, not a coder
23:33.00test20but if you either only have one computer you can use or simply have no reason to easily access the others
23:33.22valorieI can always ssh in if I need to
23:33.23test20oh if you are I writer and own more than one computer that is exactly who would really enjoy x2go
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23:34.15test20of the people who I told about x2go, it was the writers who seemed to appreciate it most.
23:35.23valorieI've heard about it before; just have no need for it now
23:35.38dhaval2712So how do I clear the kde restore cache? I mean how do I stop kde restoring to the previous session?
23:35.47test20some university professors in publish or perish environments, one who writes non-fiction articles for magazines etc   and one novelist
23:35.48test20what software do you use when writing?
23:35.57test20and what kind of writing do you do
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23:37.02valoriewe're going to be writing a book about KDE Frameworks this next week
23:37.19hidthatts cool
23:37.23test20most folks don't realize the need until they try it.  But you know your own setup
23:37.23valoriewe'll use booki on flossmanuals, actually
23:37.28test20oh great
23:37.38valoriedhaval2712: in systemsettings
23:37.51valoriestartup and shutdown actions, I think
23:38.09dhaval2712No I don't mean to disable it, I mean just remove the old one
23:38.23valoriehmmm
23:39.00valorieso selectively not restore, dhaval2712?
23:39.07dhaval2712Sort of...
23:39.17valoriethat I don't know
23:39.32dhaval2712I think it's either /var/tmp/kdecache-$user or ~/.kde/cache or something
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23:47.11cordellhow can i delete plasma-nm settings?
23:47.54cordelli am having some trouble auto connecting to ethernet and selecting the option to auto connect to this network fails to auto connect
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