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| 00:01.56 | hid | oneforall2: go to special effects |
| 00:09.50 | oneforall2 | where is that one? settings>Workspace Apper...> Desktop Effects |
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| 00:13.30 | KWhat_Work | anyone know how to disable the mouse4 and 5 buttons for back and forward on the browser in KDE? This is the stupidest feature on earth for vertical mice. |
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| 02:20.11 | BoomerBile | the kde team thinks that multiheaded X servers are a legacy feature? |
| 02:21.08 | BoomerBile | how is using two different cards a legacy feature? sounds more like an advanced use case |
| 02:21.27 | BoomerBile | i'm starting to think KDE is becoming the bottom of the pool in terms of DE |
| 02:21.56 | BoomerBile | only 3 developers, who can't buy hardware to test on and don't know what they are doing apparently |
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| 02:23.44 | Sho_ | BoomerBile: What's the basis for your ranting? |
| 02:24.55 | BoomerBile | Martin Gräßlin Please note that multiple X screens is considered a legacy feature and nobody is testing it and we do not advice to use it. Nevertheless I spent half a day yesterday discussing with Qt developers to get a feature into Qt to make it possible to support multi-head also in KWin on Qt 5. |
| 02:26.21 | BoomerBile | Multi-head has never been a legacy feature, it's always been an advanced feature of X11 |
| 02:26.57 | BoomerBile | twinview does not allow me to use both of my cards independently and run programs in each cards memory |
| 02:27.23 | Sho_ | BoomerBile: It may be a case of language barrier, Martin GräÃlin is not a native English speaker |
| 02:27.32 | BoomerBile | i see |
| 02:27.42 | BoomerBile | is there any fix to this bug? i can't find anything recent |
| 02:27.49 | BoomerBile | 2013 is the most recent i can find |
| 02:28.15 | BoomerBile | every post seems to imply that this was fixed in kwin 4.7 but i'm running 4.11 and it's not fixed |
| 02:29.01 | Sho_ | BoomerBile: I'm afraid I don't know (I don't use multi-head myself), but Martin will probably arrive at his desk in ~5 hours |
| 02:29.34 | BoomerBile | hotkeys do not work on the second x screen, you can't move windows to the second or first screen (well with gimp you can because apparently they handle this themselves and ignore kde) |
| 02:31.04 | BoomerBile | if i could find a decent panel app i'd ditch kde |
| 02:31.14 | BoomerBile | the only reason i use it is for the panels |
| 02:32.01 | Sho_ | I'll say that I understand why it would be a relatively low-priority development goal, I guess |
| 02:33.26 | BoomerBile | i can understand why it would be to, kind of, except that there are many people that want/need and expect it to work, being that it worked fine in kde 3.5 |
| 02:33.48 | BoomerBile | and that with every other WM out there it just works fine |
| 02:33.54 | BoomerBile | kde being the only exception |
| 02:34.15 | BoomerBile | sounds like a design flaw |
| 02:34.18 | Sho_ | Interesting if true, though I can't really verify any of those claims ("many people", "works with every WM", etc.) |
| 02:34.43 | BoomerBile | just look over the bugs to verify the "many people" it's been voted "popular" |
| 02:35.09 | BoomerBile | and i can verify the works with every WM because i've got them all installed and they all work just fine with mutli-head configurations |
| 02:35.50 | BoomerBile | i've got 3 graphics cards installed supporting up to 7 heads, i can use all the heads fine in every WM i have, except for KDE |
| 02:35.59 | BoomerBile | sorry 8 heads |
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| 02:38.22 | Sho_ | I've never used a multi-head setup myself, so I'm not really familiar with the experience |
| 02:39.01 | MJD | BoomerBile: I think it is mainly a development effort thing. Most KDE devs don't have such setups, so it doesn't get much time. |
| 02:39.11 | MJD | It isn't a common setup, as you say. |
| 02:39.19 | BoomerBile | it's not? |
| 02:39.34 | MJD | I've got a single card with 3 screens. That is uncommon. |
| 02:39.38 | BoomerBile | i know a lot of people use twinview nowdays |
| 02:39.44 | BoomerBile | that's not uncommon here |
| 02:39.57 | BoomerBile | i know (myself personally) 25 people using 3 screens |
| 02:39.58 | MJD | With multiple cards? |
| 02:40.01 | Sho_ | Many users use multiple monitors, but very few use them as separate X screens |
| 02:40.27 | BoomerBile | i know 4 people using multiple screens with SLI |
| 02:40.28 | MJD | I ran three screen over two cards once. I agree, the experience wasn't great. |
| 02:40.42 | BoomerBile | i was running 2 screens with my old setup |
| 02:40.44 | MJD | SLI is different though (AFAIK). |
| 02:40.53 | BoomerBile | using SLI and base mosaic |
| 02:40.54 | Sho_ | And the entire screen configuration ecosystem has mostly migrated away from separate screens (all the effort went into RandR instead, on the driver and DE side) |
| 02:41.05 | Sho_ | Yes, SLI is something unrelated |
| 02:41.05 | MJD | Anyways, point is most people don't (pretty much every laptop user is single GPU, which is what most people have) |
| 02:41.05 | BoomerBile | unfortunately my cards don't match anymore and twinview is not an option |
| 02:41.21 | MJD | I agree it is a nice to have, but it isn't easy to do accelerated. |
| 02:41.23 | BoomerBile | laptops are not very common here |
| 02:41.37 | MJD | And if most devs don't run that setup, it doesn't get attention. |
| 02:41.42 | BoomerBile | i have accelerated graphics on both of my displays right now |
| 02:41.44 | MJD | Globally though, they are. |
| 02:41.57 | BoomerBile | KDE is even doing effects on both screens |
| 02:42.06 | BoomerBile | this doesn't seem like an issue that is hard to fix |
| 02:42.11 | MJD | Right, but you can't windows between them? |
| 02:42.19 | BoomerBile | some windows |
| 02:42.28 | Sho_ | This isn't a WM issue |
| 02:42.35 | MJD | I'm surprised any do! |
| 02:42.37 | Sho_ | Moving windows between X screens is an application issue |
| 02:42.47 | Sho_ | GIMP has special support for reconnecting to a different $DISPLAY |
| 02:42.52 | MJD | None did when I was playing around. |
| 02:42.53 | Sho_ | emacs has, too |
| 02:42.54 | BoomerBile | the issue that IS a WM issue is that kde is not recognizing commands on the second display |
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| 02:42.57 | Sho_ | anything else: not really |
| 02:43.02 | BoomerBile | Sho_, kde has the same support |
| 02:43.05 | BoomerBile | it just doesn't work |
| 02:43.43 | BoomerBile | it used to work fine in kde 3.5 |
| 02:43.54 | Sho_ | BoomerBile: keyboard shortcuts not working on one of the screens might be a kwin bug indeed, yes |
| 02:44.05 | BoomerBile | for instance alt + f2 |
| 02:44.19 | BoomerBile | i have to click desktop 1 to use it |
| 02:44.26 | MJD | That might be due to krunner not running on the second display? |
| 02:44.30 | BoomerBile | alt + f4 same deal |
| 02:44.31 | Sho_ | yeah, see MJD |
| 02:44.43 | BoomerBile | alt + f12 same deal |
| 02:44.51 | BoomerBile | alt + f3 same deal |
| 02:44.58 | MJD | Or maybe kglobalaccel not running on it (which is probably a bug of some sort) |
| 02:45.03 | BoomerBile | konqueror won't open on second screen at all |
| 02:45.22 | BoomerBile | if you open it from a shortcut on your panel, or the kde launcher, it opens on the first desktop |
| 02:45.30 | BoomerBile | first screen* |
| 02:46.04 | BoomerBile | this seems to be an improper use of the X11 library on KDE's part |
| 02:46.18 | MJD | At the end of the day, it isn't easy to do acceleration across multiple cards and have them act as one big fast card. Xinerama would give you one big screen, but kills acceleration. |
| 02:46.35 | MJD | If it was easy, it would have been done already. |
| 02:46.43 | MJD | But I agree, it would be nice if it did work! |
| 02:46.56 | BoomerBile | it has nothing to do with acceleration, as i've said i can play two opengl / wine games or use blender on each display accelerated just fine |
| 02:47.00 | Sho_ | I'm not sure I understand the "kills acceleration" part |
| 02:47.18 | MJD | Right, because each screen is treated separately, not as one big screen. |
| 02:47.23 | BoomerBile | exactly |
| 02:47.33 | BoomerBile | i could do the same thing with one screen but there would be slowdow |
| 02:47.34 | MJD | If you enable xinerama (if it still exists?), then you won't be able to do that anymore. |
| 02:47.38 | BoomerBile | slowdown* |
| 02:47.47 | Sho_ | MJD: But that doesn't mean you don't get OpenGL |
| 02:47.48 | BoomerBile | why would i need xinerama? |
| 02:47.57 | BoomerBile | xinerama doesn't even work anymore |
| 02:48.00 | Sho_ | Xinerama is dead, anyway |
| 02:48.07 | Sho_ | You mean RandR |
| 02:48.10 | BoomerBile | if you enable xinerama in your xconfig you will get a blank screen |
| 02:48.14 | MJD | When I played around with it (admittedly this was ~6 years ago), it killed OpenGL. |
| 02:48.16 | BoomerBile | no X period |
| 02:48.18 | MJD | And I mean xinerama. |
| 02:48.39 | Sho_ | Xinerama isn't used anymore |
| 02:48.41 | BoomerBile | acceleration is working fine, right now with the current bug set |
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| 02:48.49 | BoomerBile | this has nothing to do with acceleration |
| 02:49.08 | MJD | Yep, and you get separate screens, which windows can't just move between, and lot of extra code. |
| 02:49.11 | BoomerBile | it has to do with KDE not recognizing the existence of the second screen |
| 02:49.28 | Sho_ | There's two ways left to do multi-monitoring: RandR (this is where most of the development effort in the last half-decade has been across the entire stack) and multi-head X (rarely used nowadays, and apparently in disrepair) |
| 02:49.36 | BoomerBile | if i open up "display" in the kde control panel, it only sees one screen |
| 02:49.54 | Sho_ | BoomerBile: That control panel is a RandR configuration GUI, yeah |
| 02:50.12 | BoomerBile | randr recognizes both of my screens |
| 02:50.17 | BoomerBile | KDE does not |
| 02:50.40 | BoomerBile | and multi-head is not rarely used |
| 02:50.53 | BoomerBile | it's used by people who don't care if they can drag a window across two screens |
| 02:50.59 | Sho_ | I'd be willing to bet money that less than 1 in 50.000 Linux users uses it |
| 02:51.01 | BoomerBile | that's a worthless thing to do anyway |
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| 02:51.12 | Sho_ | Too bad we have no good metrics source |
| 02:51.43 | BoomerBile | I sit in the gentoo chanel and i see many people use it |
| 02:52.11 | BoomerBile | it's great if you want to separate things out... I don't want both of the accelerated programs running on one card |
| 02:52.17 | MJD | I'm pretty sure not a single person would complain if someone stepped up to fix the bugs. I personally don't have such a setup, so I haven't tried. |
| 02:52.35 | BoomerBile | I've looked over the KDE code base myself |
| 02:52.51 | BoomerBile | but i found it a jumbled mess and i couldn't find anything i was looking for so i gave up |
| 02:52.54 | MJD | But it is uncommon (and Gentoo users, which I am one of, are not a representative sample) and thus most people don't run into the issues. |
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| 02:53.17 | BoomerBile | i think kde has outlived its usefulness |
| 02:53.40 | BoomerBile | gnome has taken steps to assure it's death among many |
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| 02:53.47 | BoomerBile | kde is going the same way |
| 02:54.44 | Sho_ | uh-huh |
| 02:55.21 | BoomerBile | is kde looking to move towards supporting systemd? |
| 02:55.30 | BoomerBile | cause if it is i'll just uninstall it now |
| 02:55.43 | BoomerBile | log files are for humans, and binary log files are not human readable |
| 02:56.42 | Sho_ | There are currently no plans to use systemd, though some distros are looking into it |
| 02:58.06 | BoomerBile | well thanks for listening to my ranting... i have to switch WMs, i can't mutli-task in kde anymore, it won't let me alt-tab on the second screen either |
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| 06:10.33 | Xerophyte | Need a little help GUys |
| 06:11.31 | Sho_ | Xerophyte: tell us moar |
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| 06:22.05 | Xerophyte | Sho_, a little help with Gparted. I am Using VMware and I extended the partition. Now How do I merge the two partitions through Gparted? I have googled it as well but still no success |
| 06:22.20 | Sho_ | oh i know nothing about that sorry :( |
| 06:22.49 | Xerophyte | Sho_, No proplem |
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| 08:20.35 | Bro666 | Hey! |
| 08:20.41 | Bro666 | So I did something stupid. |
| 08:20.59 | bshah | tell us moar about it! :p |
| 08:21.10 | Bro666 | I forced the size and aposition of a window. And now I can't get it back. |
| 08:21.26 | Bro666 | Using the "Special WIndows Settings" |
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| 08:21.59 | Bro666 | Now the title bar is outside the screen area |
| 08:22.21 | Bro666 | And I can't move it because, you know, it's "forced" |
| 08:22.28 | Bro666 | So I can't click on it. |
| 08:22.59 | Bro666 | I've been trawling the .kde4 directory searching for a file I can edit in vi |
| 08:23.07 | Bro666 | But I can't find the right one. |
| 08:23.23 | Futhorc | look in window rules |
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| 08:23.51 | Bro666 | I looked in .kde4/share/config/kwinrulesrc |
| 08:23.53 | Futhorc | launcher,rules, disable bad rule |
| 08:24.38 | Bro666 | Ah! |
| 08:24.49 | Bro666 | One sec. That looks like the ticket. |
| 08:24.53 | Bro666 | Let's see |
| 08:25.14 | Bro666 | Yay! |
| 08:25.17 | Bro666 | Thanks! |
| 08:25.34 | Bro666 | Learn something everyday with you guys! |
| 08:25.39 | Bro666 | Thank you so much. |
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| 08:30.08 | armands | Bro666: btw, you can move the window clicking on any place holding Alt key |
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| 08:40.57 | AndrzejL | Holly shit :( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11027476/Robin-Williams-dies-aged-63-from-suspected-suicide.html |
| 08:41.22 | Sho_ | AndrzejL: yeah :( |
| 08:44.07 | AndrzejL | tragedy... |
| 08:44.13 | AndrzejL | sorry I have to go... |
| 08:44.20 | AndrzejL | duty calls :| |
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| 09:57.01 | mystica555-work | what happened in the latest KDE update that completely screwed up screen locking and the login box? |
| 09:57.08 | mystica555-work | it won't lock automatically reliably at all anymore |
| 09:57.16 | mystica555-work | and typing into the password box is GODAWFULLY SLOW |
| 09:57.18 | mystica555-work | wtf |
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| 10:00.37 | cb400f | mystica555-work: talk to your distro first... how is anyone supposed to know what your "latest kde update" is |
| 10:00.54 | cb400f | for all we know you might have upgrade to plasma 5 |
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| 10:04.45 | mystica555-work | ok, last stable release or so |
| 10:05.07 | mystica555-work | KDE Development Platform: 4.13.3 Plasma Desktop Shell: 4.11.11 |
| 10:05.08 | mystica555-work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:08.05 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 11:09.06 | msichal | one simple question, how to change the color of the text on a sidebar in dolphin? |
| 11:10.30 | msichal | http://i.imgur.com/DutydUx.png |
| 11:10.31 | msichal | like here |
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| 11:11.28 | msichal | i can't find single color theme to fix that issue |
| 11:11.43 | Zxcvb | is it possible to add application shortcuts to the taskbar in kde 4.8.4 or is it limited to widgets only? |
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| 11:13.03 | rdieter | you can with recent versions at least, not sure about 4.8 |
| 11:13.21 | Zxcvb | well I tried dragging it from the menu and it wouldn't let me |
| 11:13.36 | rdieter | Zxcvb: find an application in kickoff, right click -> add to panel, does that option exist? |
| 11:14.04 | Zxcvb | yeah, it does |
| 11:14.17 | Zxcvb | I was expecting it to just be drag and drop |
| 11:14.47 | rdieter | recent task manager applet has cool option (for running apps): "show a launcher when not running" |
| 11:15.43 | Zxcvb | also, is there any way to change the 30 second timeout when you choose logout? |
| 11:17.08 | msichal | i'll repeat myself, sorry for that: is there any way to change the font color in dolphin's sidebar or "panel" or is it somehow fixed to a dark one? |
| 11:17.52 | msichal | color themes don't seem to change it at all |
| 11:19.05 | rdieter | Zxcvb: not that I'm aware of |
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| 11:21.18 | rdieter | msichal: you mean like "Places" "Devices" ? (if so, mine follows color scheme) |
| 11:21.31 | msichal | yes |
| 11:21.52 | msichal | only the background changes |
| 11:22.14 | rdieter | and the text |
| 11:22.27 | rdieter | there's nothing else there except icons... |
| 11:22.38 | msichal | there are names |
| 11:22.47 | msichal | of the directories and such |
| 11:22.53 | rdieter | the text names change color too to follow the color scheme |
| 11:23.45 | msichal | rdieter: hm, could you show me your color config file? |
| 11:24.00 | msichal | or color scheme, whatever it's called |
| 11:24.02 | rdieter | I tried default/oxygen color scheme: I see black text on gray background, wonton theme: white text on darker background |
| 11:24.22 | msichal | okay, so it's not needed |
| 11:24.36 | msichal | in wonton I still got black text |
| 11:24.43 | msichal | no idea why |
| 11:25.12 | msichal | damn, okay, it's fine... |
| 11:25.20 | msichal | it's not updating in real time |
| 11:25.27 | rdieter | mine updates right away |
| 11:25.39 | rdieter | odd |
| 11:26.10 | msichal | everything changes except the text, which updates after restarting |
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| 11:26.48 | msichal | anyway, thanks for your help :> |
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| 11:37.38 | Zxcvb | oh well, thanks anyway for your help |
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| 12:07.16 | ovidiu-florin | We are planning to host a hackaton in TimiÈoara, Romania, in October. I'll be one of the organizers. I would like to promote KDE with this chance. Can someone please help me with this? I'd like to do some bug hunting/fixing. |
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| 12:11.24 | Futhorc | #kde-devel is probably better for that |
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| 12:19.57 | armin | hi, i would like to put my complete KDE configuration into a git repository. would ~/.kde/ be enough? or are there other places where kde puts its user-stuff inside the home-directory, too? |
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| 16:05.33 | BogdanOlar | Hello! Does anybody know how I could get rid of "/usr/share/kde4/apps/katepart/syntax/nesc.xml" ? |
| 16:05.46 | BogdanOlar | I'm trying to install tinyos-tools , but keep getting an error: |
| 16:05.58 | BogdanOlar | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/nescc_1.3.4-2_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 16:06.05 | BogdanOlar | trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/katepart/syntax/nesc.xml', which is also in package kate-data 4:4.13.3-0ubuntu0.1 |
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| 16:23.27 | rdieter | BogdanOlar: I'd suggest asking your distro, that's a packaging issue, not a kde one |
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| 16:23.40 | BogdanOlar | thanks |
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| 18:21.49 | dtalmage_ | I'm looking for help using byobu with konsole. Ctrl-F2 doesn't work. It should split the window horizontally. |
| 18:22.13 | dtalmage_ | Does it work for you? |
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| 18:52.39 | stack | hi, is that possible to make activity switching indipedent for each (real) display? |
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| 18:57.25 | AndrzejL | distro flame war? http://www.evilmilk.com/galleries/cool-animals19/coolanimals-25.jpg |
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| 19:27.35 | styx_ | hi! is it possible to add text reflow to kde's konsole? |
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| 20:10.47 | ssarah | hei guys |
| 20:10.52 | ssarah | i wana put this to work |
| 20:10.53 | ssarah | how do i do it? |
| 20:10.55 | ssarah | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kirby+Desktop+Companion?content=6229 |
| 20:10.59 | ssarah | what is this karamba thing? |
| 20:11.07 | ssarah | im on latest ubuntu with kde over it |
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| 20:29.28 | benkevan | Blah.. upgraded to Plasma 5.0.1 ..now I get some crashes.. will dig into it shortly |
| 20:30.19 | benkevan | Guess I should .. blah in Plasma land |
| 20:31.58 | Fusl | does someone know if it's possible to make konsole/yakuake decide tab names according to a value? for example, i only want the program name to show (%n) but if the program name is "x" (a script, which connects to a remove ssh server), i want to show the complete "Window Title Set By Shell: %w"... so basically: if (%n == "x") { %w } else { %n } |
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| 20:41.21 | whiterice | Ive been out of the KDE world a long time. Im just curious if KDE has the option to create a custom menu when right clicking on desktop? |
| 20:41.28 | whiterice | like with custom apps and such |
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| 20:49.07 | Amadiro | whiterice, there is a dialogue to configure it |
| 20:49.19 | Amadiro | you can also make right-click do something other than bringing up a menu |
| 20:49.50 | Amadiro | I don't see a way in the UI to add a completely new thing to the rightclick menu, though |
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| 20:50.47 | Amadiro | you might be able to still do that through manually editing a config file, I don't know -- if not, you should send an email to the author and ask for the feature. |
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| 20:51.52 | whiterice | Amadiro, right, I can see that I can set Paste, etc to right click. ok, ill take a look at that. I have found this: https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/ContainmentAction |
| 20:52.12 | whiterice | so what youre saying should be possible :) |
| 20:52.36 | Amadiro | looks good. |
| 20:52.58 | Amadiro | I don't think I personally ever right-click on the desktop, I do everything through shortcuts or the alt-F2 launcher. |
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| 21:07.38 | demm | whiterice: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Favorites+Launcher?content=117639 |
| 21:08.00 | demm | that will add the option in the mouse action menu |
| 21:08.27 | whiterice | demm, awesome, exactly what I needed. Thanks! |
| 21:09.07 | demm | whiterice: I have it set for middle mouse click |
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| 21:17.36 | whiterice | yeah, that might be better |
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