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| 01:19.14 | justgreg | Konsole Version 2.13.2 won't let me run GNU Screen. Where should I start troubleshooting? |
| 01:19.45 | justgreg | Screen is working fine w/ other emulators. |
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| 02:14.19 | thiago | justgreg: how is konsole preventing screen from running? |
| 02:14.49 | justgreg | I enter the command, and it refuses to start. |
| 02:15.08 | thiago | refuses how? |
| 02:15.21 | justgreg | "$ screen <enter>" |
| 02:15.26 | thiago | and then? |
| 02:15.26 | justgreg | "$" |
| 02:15.40 | justgreg | just gives me the prompt again. |
| 02:15.49 | thiago | nothing there tells me it's a konsole problem |
| 02:16.00 | thiago | I'm guessing it's a screen bug. Please contact their developers. |
| 02:16.18 | thiago | in any case, there's nothing I can do with zero output. I need at least some error message. |
| 02:16.21 | thiago | btw, it works here. |
| 02:16.25 | justgreg | It's fine in xterm and lxterminal |
| 02:18.52 | thiago | that doesn't prove anything |
| 02:19.02 | thiago | if there's a bug in screen, buggy behaviour may present itself in any number of ways |
| 02:19.06 | thiago | including working properly |
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| 02:22.01 | justgreg | screen just started as root. |
| 02:22.15 | thiago | so the problem isn't konsole, it's screen |
| 02:22.36 | justgreg | ty |
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| 07:00.51 | otjura | recommend me a nice html editor for KDE. Kate works for everything else except that. |
| 07:01.52 | otjura | also, just noted that kate/kwrite separation is broken. changing settings in kate affects kwrite and vice versa |
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| 07:55.41 | marvin-hh | In Dolphin there are 'Places'. Where can I edit the entries of 'Places'? |
| 07:57.34 | qdata | just right click in the general area and in the context menu you'll see |
| 07:58.10 | qdata | there's an 'Add Entry' at the top as well as an Edit for making changes to already existing ones |
| 08:02.52 | marvin-hh | qdata: I was talking about the devices section specifically. |
| 08:03.38 | marvin-hh | qdata: so, within the Places windows, there is a labeled area named 'Devices'. I want to see where a particular device with a particular label points to. |
| 08:04.36 | qdata | so, right click and choose Edit from the contect menu |
| 08:05.31 | marvin-hh | qdata: there is no such entry. |
| 08:05.47 | marvin-hh | qdata: there is only such an option in the Places area. |
| 08:05.59 | qdata | well, sorry 'bout that then - it's how it works here |
| 08:06.02 | marvin-hh | qdata: not for the entries in the 'Devices' area. |
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| 08:06.44 | marvin-hh | qdata: I am using 4.10.6. |
| 08:06.52 | marvin-hh | qdata: and you likely use another version. |
| 08:07.02 | qdata | I hide all the fusefs ones and only show a Bluetooth device and additionally CD drive will pop in if I stick in a CD/DVD |
| 08:07.15 | qdata | oh - yes - 4.13.3 |
| 08:07.16 | marvin-hh | qdata: when I click 'Add entry' on an item, it shows the correct information. |
| 08:07.22 | marvin-hh | qdata: in other words, this is completely broken. |
| 08:07.32 | marvin-hh | qdata: but perhaps they fixed it in your version. |
| 08:07.41 | qdata | yup |
| 08:08.46 | qdata | and different distros butcher/patch KDE in different ways as well |
| 08:09.40 | qdata | so there is even inconsistency depending on which distro someone runs |
| 08:10.48 | qdata | but 4.10.x versions are pretty old, probably a lot of changes since then |
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| 08:12.54 | qdata | time for a nap - catch you later :-) |
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| 09:37.30 | ilk | yes |
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| 09:51.16 | JackWinter3 | don't know if this is the right channel, but.. i am dial up with a 3g modem and NM with dnsmasq and the new nm applet. i setup squid as a proxy server. i used manual proxy settings and http://localhost port 3128, this seems to work well. then i setup up ssl as https://localhost port 3128, and then many if not all all https connections fail.. i had to resort to configuring it as https://127.0.0.1 port 3128 for it to work. any ideas? |
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| 10:09.37 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: you probably mistyped 'localhost' |
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| 10:13.25 | JackWinter3 | Walex2: i just tested again, and for me it's repeatable. this time i tripple checked that it was properly spelled |
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| 10:18.44 | JackWinter3 | but i'll keep playing with it. maybe it's somethine else and i'm drawing a hasty conclusion :) |
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| 10:21.47 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: do you have "localhost" defined right in '/etc/hosts'? |
| 10:22.09 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: note that this is an issue with the client using the proxy, not the proxy |
| 10:22.49 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: also note that proxying SSL may not work the way you think it works |
| 10:23.16 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: in particular: do you tnink that SSL proxying means that the proxy will cache pages for the client? |
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| 10:27.40 | JackWinter3 | Walex2: i do have localhost defines in /etc/hosts. the problem happens in konqueror, chromium and firefox. i thought that it meant it would cache some https content yes |
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| 10:28.19 | JackWinter3 | i'll read up on the last. am pretty new to proxies and how they work |
| 10:29.25 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: if it could cache content it would be doing a man-in-the-middle attack :-) |
| 10:29.50 | JackWinter3 | Walex2: that's commonplace nowdays, no? :) |
| 10:30.32 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: only if you work for the secret services or organized mafia of USA, Israel, Russia, China, UK, India, ... |
| 10:30.33 | JackWinter3 | is there no way to cache https? |
| 10:31.13 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: you can surely cache over HTTPs, the problem is that each side to an SSL connection has a secret session key, and the cache in the middle does not know the one held by the browser. |
| 10:31.15 | JackWinter3 | or are a normal internet user watching cat videos on youtube :) |
| 10:32.44 | JackWinter3 | so https content could be cached when it flows from a server to the proxy, but not the other way? |
| 10:33.24 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: as always, a web search should have followed my hint :-) |
| 10:33.35 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: anyhow read carefully the options under http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/config/https_port/ |
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| 10:34.11 | JackWinter3 | i am, but sometimes it's kinda hard to find the right information on the web, it's full of lies, disinformation and opinion too.. |
| 10:34.26 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: http://blog.davidvassallo.me/2011/03/22/squid-transparent-ssl-interception/ |
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| 10:34.47 | JackWinter3 | Walex2: thanks |
| 10:36.50 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: perhasps you should read "A Fire Upon the Deep" by Vernor Vinge, where there is a web that spans the galaxy and it is called the "Net of a Million Lies". |
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| 10:38.58 | JackWinter3 | Walex2: i've read that. really liked his scifi, nice space opera |
| 10:39.55 | JackWinter3 | thanks for the links, mysquid is built with the right options, but i haven't created a certificate for it, nor it appears conigured it properly |
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| 10:42.20 | JackWinter3 | Walex2: seems to be a mixed bag to use https proxy caching. maybe it's safer or at least less of a hassle not to do it...:( |
| 10:42.56 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: that's a good conclusion... |
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| 10:45.52 | JackWinter3 | my interest was in speeding up the crappy 3g connection i have at the moment (vacation) and to decrease bandwidth usage, but i'm not all that happy about compromising security or ease of use. not that i am under any illusion of being nsa proof or anything like that. more that i'd like to keep script kiddies and other creeps at bay |
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| 10:53.33 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: then perhaps you can trust your own proxy cache |
| 10:54.15 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: but note that SSL based authentication becomes more difficult, but very few people use SSL certficates/keys to authenticate |
| 10:54.38 | JackWinter3 | Walex2: perhaps, yes :) still need to read some more and meditate on the repurcussions |
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| 10:56.50 | JackWinter3 | the question still remains how many more backdoors have been added to opensll too. the heartbleed dev added atleast 3 of them, and i'm not sure there aren't others too |
| 10:57.03 | JackWinter3 | openssl |
| 10:57.43 | JackWinter3 | but not much i can personally do about that, as the code is above my intelligence level |
| 10:58.36 | JackWinter3 | ssl certificate authorities seem thoroughly pwned too |
| 10:59.12 | JackWinter3 | but at least some security is better than none, however you twist and turn the subject |
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| 11:03.33 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: "ssl certificate authorities seem thoroughly pwned too" is a wise recognition |
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| 11:05.44 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: "how many more backdoors have been added to opensll" *everything* has got backdoors. Any security service with some intellect have planted developers in every software company and projects to in them backdoors cleverly disguised as bugs. There are Indian, USA, Chinese, UK, Israel, Triad, Mafia, ... backdoors in *everything* |
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| 11:07.30 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: I don't know whether you have read "A deepness upon the sky", but there is a passage there where Pham Nuwen has become a sw archeologist, and realizes that anybody who put backdoors in widely used code has immense power |
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| 11:14.06 | JackWinter3 | Walex2: yeah, i've read it and the thought occasionally passes my mind in my daily hacking.. |
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| 11:17.33 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: the descendants of Lennart Poeetering will become very rich :-) |
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| 11:24.25 | JackWinter3 | Walex2: lol, i had a discussion with the systemd crowd the other day about why iptables isn't loaded before the network is brought up. (at least on archlinux), but since systemd 214 there is a network-pre.target that can be used by adding Before=network-pre.target to iptables.service. the interest in the discussion was lukewarm at the best, and was more about that it would break the use of hostnames in iptables rules, and wtf uses iptables nowdays :) makes |
| 11:24.26 | JackWinter3 | one wonder how many intelligence officers are working on systemd... |
| 11:25.20 | Walex2 | that's funny :-) |
| 11:28.50 | JackWinter3 | Walex2: i think it's rather depressing, how can one be so cavalier about possibly bringing up the firewall after the network is live. that's just horrible, makes me wonder what other suprises is hiding in it :( |
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| 11:29.39 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: that's a bit too obvious for an *intentional* backdoor. A well designed backdoor is well disguised as a hard-to-find bug. It is all about plausible deniability. |
| 11:30.13 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: I would put it down to simple "as long as it works in some way". |
| 11:30.27 | JackWinter3 | the only explanations that i can think of, is either being ignorant idiots that have no business working on an init system, or it being done on purpose :( |
| 11:30.29 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: I call that the Micrsoftization of free sw |
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| 11:31.17 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: or being a clever guy. as commercial sw shows, stuff becomes popular because "it works" not because it works well |
| 11:32.12 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: was just reading an article on how a few decades ago car manufacturers objected to regulations about car safety on the grounds it did not sell, because car buyers did not much care about car safety. |
| 11:33.29 | JackWinter3 | so my take of the situation at the moment, is that most linux systems (running system) will present a window of opportunity for being compromized with no firewall loaded at each boot. that's just horible (imo) |
| 11:34.05 | JackWinter3 | s/running system/running systemd/ |
| 11:34.37 | JackWinter3 | that's possibly the biggest fuckup they done so far |
| 11:34.54 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: in theory a firewall is not necessary if the only network accessible daemons that run are not compromisable. |
| 11:35.16 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: in theory a firewall is not necessary if the only network accessible daemons that run are not compromisable. *or have to be network accessible anyhow*. |
| 11:36.07 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: so for *servers* that is not a terrible issue. If you have server that does FTP and wevb services and nothing else a host firewall is poinless for example. |
| 11:37.12 | JackWinter3 | Walex2: Walex2: yeah, but there is no guarantee for another daemon not being started before iptables are loaded, systemd also listens to sockets (afaik) it's a race condition, if it's theoretical or if it can be exploited is another question |
| 11:37.13 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: but the bigger problem in what you said is that it seems some dependency rules are hardcoded in 'systemd', nothing surprising there |
| 11:38.50 | JackWinter3 | well at the very least they've recently added network-pre.target which can be used to make sure that the firewall is loaded before the network goes live |
| 11:40.49 | JackWinter3 | iptables also is a bit more that a firewall that guards appplication ports. can also be used to filter incoming packets for other nasties |
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| 11:41.22 | Walex2 | JackWinter3: yes, that too |
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| 11:45.13 | JackWinter3 | Walex2: well that was a nice and long OT discussion :) nice talking to you and thanks for your insights on ssl proxies! |
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| 12:16.43 | lordievader | Good afternoon. |
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| 12:36.34 | moviuro__ | ping, my kdewallet is broken on arch: Failed to sync wallet kdewallet to disk. Error codes are: RC -7 SF Unknown error. Please file a BUG report using this information to bugs.kde.org |
| 12:37.37 | moviuro__ | Encryption error while attempting to save the wallet kdewallet. Error code is 1 (General error). Please fix your system configuration, then try again! |
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| 12:42.02 | moviuro__ | fails on my both computers |
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| 13:26.38 | sandman13 | does anyone know how can I make the tab text visible? I am using Qtcurve and this is the current situation: http://i.imgur.com/oSZyQ21.png |
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| 13:28.39 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
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| 13:30.48 | sandman13 | BluesKaj: hey |
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| 13:31.13 | sandman13 | BluesKaj: do you use Qtcurve? |
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| 13:34.20 | BluesKaj | sandman13, no |
| 13:34.27 | sandman13 | oh |
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| 13:51.37 | moviuro | sandman13: this is AFAIK not dependant on your KDE theme |
| 13:51.54 | moviuro | that's iceweasel's fault or GTK-Qt or whatever |
| 13:52.22 | sandman13 | moviuro: argh |
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| 15:00.45 | Gatis | Hi |
| 15:00.46 | Gatis | I love KDE |
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| 15:01.37 | Gatis | KDE is really good |
| 15:01.47 | Gatis | In my liking the best of all |
| 15:01.52 | Gatis | Better than Gnome |
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| 15:05.58 | nemysis | you have right Gatis ;) |
| 15:06.25 | Gatis | KDE is really mature |
| 15:07.39 | nemysis | yes and all works with KDE and is very good integrated in openSUSE |
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| 15:22.14 | dyrvere | I think KDE is well integrated in most distros actually. Ah, go from Dolphin split views and filters to Kompare and toss the file into Kate and push a cooperative edit through contacts on kde-telepathy. :D It's all working together nicely. |
| 15:22.49 | nemysis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:27.25 | Gatis | i see no difference between "low display resolution and low CPU" and "High display resolution and Very High CPU".. |
| 15:27.33 | Gatis | in settings |
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| 15:31.54 | dyrvere | Gatis: Who knows? https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=90862 |
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| 15:51.30 | vixxo | hi guys, I'm havving an issue with a certificate and Kmail. Even if the certificate is correctly configured both on Kleopatra and on ca-certificates I've always get this error: The server failed the authenticity check (mail.autistici.org).The certificate authority's certificate is invalid.The root certificate authority's certificate is not trusted for this purpose. The certificate cannot be verified for internal reasons" |
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| 16:41.17 | rdieter | vixxo: may depend on how your distro handles Qt's bundled CA certs. which distro are you using? |
| 16:41.35 | thiago | Qt doesn't bundle CA certs |
| 16:41.44 | thiago | Qt requires the distro to properly configure them |
| 16:41.49 | vixxo | I'm using Manjaro |
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| 16:42.04 | rdieter | thiago: ok, thanks. *somebody* used to, maybe it was kde |
| 16:42.10 | rdieter | checks |
| 16:42.15 | thiago | vixxo: openssl s_client -connect google.com:443 |
| 16:42.21 | thiago | vixxo: what's the verify code at the end? |
| 16:42.48 | vixxo | thiago: Verify return code: 20 (unable to get local issuer certificate) |
| 16:43.12 | rdieter | doesn't look like it's configured right in your ca certs |
| 16:43.27 | thiago | vixxo: your distro did not configure OpenSSL correct. File a bug report with them. |
| 16:44.05 | thiago | this is a priority "oh my god the world is coming to an end" bug |
| 16:44.13 | thiago | you don't have ANY security in that distro |
| 16:44.35 | thiago | you should really reconsider your choice to use it if they can't configure OpenSSL properly |
| 16:45.17 | vixxo | thiago: really thanks for your help |
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| 16:47.01 | rdieter | found kdelibs still includes it's own ca-bundle.crt , though I'd venture most distros don't use that (fedora doesn't at least) |
| 16:47.56 | vixxo | thiago: so you are sure I have to report that, I'm going to send to the mailing list a report |
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| 16:50.14 | rdieter | vixxo: you dont *have* to, only report it if you want it fixed |
| 16:50.43 | vixxo | ofc I mean if that bug is certain and not due to my fault |
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| 16:51.07 | rdieter | depends, you said you |
| 16:51.34 | rdieter | "configured both on ... ca-certificates" its possible you broke it somehow |
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| 16:53.09 | rdieter | vixxo: you could try undoing what you did before, and see if the openssl s_client ... behavior improves (or not) |
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| 16:54.06 | thiago | vixxo: it's possible that you've done something wrong in installing |
| 16:54.23 | thiago | vixxo: however, even that is a bug. It should be very hard to break the configuration of the SSL CA certs. |
| 16:55.16 | vixxo | thiago: I've undone the other htink, I mean removed the certificated in ca-certificates folder and updated, same error while using openssl |
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| 16:58.44 | moviuro | http://ix.io/dVC I have an error line 74 (definition of check_name(): unexpected argument `(' to conditional binary operator) |
| 16:59.03 | moviuro | oops, wrong chan :v) |
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| 17:00.18 | Gatis | Is KDE5 out? |
| 17:00.56 | rdieter | Gatis: plasma5 is released, yes |
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| 17:02.04 | rdieter | Gatis: see also https://dot.kde.org/2014/07/15/plasma-5.0 , and recent https://dot.kde.org/2014/08/12/first-bugfix-update-plasma-5 |
| 17:02.09 | JackWinter | iirc some distros have taken the choice no to preconfigure any CAs, as they are of the opnion that the whole system is pwned beyond repair and it's up to the user is they want to live with the false security. manjaro might be one of them |
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| 17:02.52 | lainlives | i like not having any certificates personally |
| 17:02.56 | lainlives | it makes it easier to not load ads |
| 17:02.59 | lainlives | i can just deny them |
| 17:03.02 | JackWinter | lol :) |
| 17:03.04 | rdieter | JackWinter: are you aware of others? you sound like you do |
| 17:03.48 | lainlives | i believe it /should/ be up to the user which certificates they accept and whatnot |
| 17:03.50 | JackWinter | rdieter: not really, i just remember reading some mumblings like that, and i've gotten the impression that the whole thing indeed is pwned beyond repair |
| 17:03.54 | rdieter | will make sure to avoid them , because that's just silly |
| 17:04.17 | JackWinter | could be silly too |
| 17:04.30 | rdieter | lainlives: of course it's ultimately up to the user, but that's arguably a bad default behavior |
| 17:04.45 | lainlives | rdieter: well, the wrong users i guess |
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| 17:04.52 | lainlives | but i like the believe im not one of these users |
| 17:04.59 | lainlives | if its from somewhere i dont know, i do not accept |
| 17:05.00 | lainlives | obviously |
| 17:05.35 | rdieter | that's fine. we're talking sane distro defaults here |
| 17:06.03 | AndrzejL | guys how does one sets up own knights chess server? |
| 17:06.20 | AndrzejL | I mean is there a howto or is there a package... |
| 17:06.49 | AndrzejL | I would be interested as I would want my own lan knights server but I cannot bigbrother it out... |
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| 17:08.06 | AndrzejL | Oh I think knights has the option... |
| 17:08.11 | AndrzejL | maybe... |
| 17:09.10 | JackWinter | googling manjaro and certificate authority doesn't seem to bring up any big flames, so i think they most likely ship root certificates and the OP must have borked his install somehow |
| 17:10.32 | JackWinter | maybe try to reinstall the crtificates package? |
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| 17:14.30 | vixxo | JackWinter: i try wait |
| 17:15.13 | vixxo | JackWinter: done, same issue |
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| 17:17.33 | JackWinter | vixxo: sorry, then i have no idea. remove openssl and it's config files, and reinstall and reconfigure it? |
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| 17:18.36 | JackWinter | vixxo: nah, i don't think that will help. it's a certifcate that comes with qt/kde right? |
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| 17:19.03 | JackWinter | have no idea how that is all setup.. |
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| 17:32.27 | vixxo | JackWinter: yep did both on ca-cert and Kleopatra (kde/qt) |
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| 19:11.43 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 19:13.03 | cousin_luigi | sees https://i.imgur.com/7kYNDW9.jpg at times. Zypper from command line updates normally. With whom should I take this up? |
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| 19:35.11 | S1lm4r1l | is there any way to align icons on the kde desktop? |
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| 19:39.07 | cousin_luigi | S1lm4r1l: they are aligned by default on my desktop |
| 19:39.20 | S1lm4r1l | wow what kde are you running? |
| 19:39.59 | q9 | can i disable pulseaudio-support in phonon by recompiling phonon and phonon-backends without libpulse installed? |
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| 19:41.16 | cousin_luigi | S1lm4r1l: 4.13... |
| 19:41.24 | cousin_luigi | S1lm4r1l: unless I'm mistaking your question |
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| 19:41.55 | S1lm4r1l | I am running 4.4.3 |
| 19:44.28 | JackWinter1 | q9: your distro might be different, but can't you just change backend in phonon? |
| 19:45.15 | JackWinter1 | or do they all end up in pa? |
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| 19:46.07 | S1lm4r1l | also how do I add an icon to the task bar in kde4 |
| 19:46.32 | JackWinter1 | S1lm4r1l: drag and drop it from the start menu |
| 19:47.35 | S1lm4r1l | doesn't work |
| 19:48.26 | JackWinter1 | is the task bar locked? |
| 19:48.42 | S1lm4r1l | oh hold on doh |
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| 19:49.32 | q9 | JackWinter1: When set $PHONON_PULSEAUDIO_DISABLE i can choose, but choose the backend, but pulseaudio is still started at kde-startup |
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| 19:50.45 | JackWinter1 | that's probably a distro question. i have not used pa for years so don't know how to help with that |
| 19:50.52 | S1lm4r1l | oh dear how do I unlock the task bar? |
| 19:51.18 | JackWinter1 | right click on the cashew on the taskbar |
| 19:51.19 | q9 | i need pulseaudio for skype only and try to avoid it otherwise |
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| 19:51.33 | S1lm4r1l | ok then what |
| 19:51.53 | JackWinter1 | q9: heh, that sounds like a hard proposition |
| 19:52.17 | q9 | :-| |
| 19:52.26 | JackWinter1 | S1lm4r1l: unlock widgets |
| 19:52.30 | S1lm4r1l | I don't see an unlock taskbar menu item |
| 19:52.48 | S1lm4r1l | wait I thought you asked me to unlock the task bar? |
| 19:52.51 | S1lm4r1l | am I going insane? |
| 19:53.17 | JackWinter1 | well i think they are called lock and unlock widgets |
| 19:53.29 | S1lm4r1l | widgets are unlocked and I still can't create an icon |
| 19:53.45 | S1lm4r1l | see I want to put firefox on my task bar so I can start it from my stack bar |
| 19:53.50 | S1lm4r1l | is that possible? |
| 19:54.00 | JackWinter1 | then normally you ought to be able to draw an icon representing a program to the taskbar |
| 19:54.26 | S1lm4r1l | yep it is not working |
| 19:54.30 | JackWinter1 | i have that. maybe you have to wait a second or two with the icon hovering over the taskbar |
| 19:54.36 | S1lm4r1l | I tried dragging from the desktop and the menu |
| 19:55.21 | JackWinter1 | sounds weird, it's no problem here |
| 19:55.43 | S1lm4r1l | too bad I can't get a firefox widget but I guess that is too much to ask for |
| 19:55.58 | S1lm4r1l | I don't understand the need for widgets |
| 19:56.03 | JackWinter1 | you should be able too, don't know what is wrong |
| 19:56.25 | S1lm4r1l | I might reinstall kde |
| 19:56.32 | S1lm4r1l | I have been having other weird problems |
| 19:57.31 | vixxo | thiago: same error of OpenSSL is reported even on archlinux... |
| 19:57.40 | JackWinter1 | normally you wouldn't have to. you can just rename the configuration dir and everything well be reset. rename ~/kde4 or whatever it's called on your system to something else and start kde again |
| 19:58.11 | S1lm4r1l | oh cool what is the name of the configure dir and what exactly does it reset? |
| 19:58.17 | S1lm4r1l | that sounds insanely great! |
| 19:58.43 | JackWinter1 | i'm guessing at ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
| 19:58.44 | S1lm4r1l | ok let me try thanks |
| 19:59.09 | ezakimak | isn't 4.4.x *really* old? |
| 19:59.19 | JackWinter1 | it's mostly your kde configs and other modifications you've done. don't know if kmail still stores email in it |
| 19:59.35 | S1lm4r1l | ok I will give it a shot |
| 19:59.38 | S1lm4r1l | I have nothing to lose |
| 19:59.50 | JackWinter1 | if you rename it, you can get it back again |
| 20:00.18 | JackWinter1 | i'd do it from the command line without kde running, but don't know if it's important |
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| 20:01.04 | JackWinter1 | kde 4.4 is quite old yes |
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| 20:04.52 | S1lm4r1l | haha now I cannot move icons from my menu to the desktop |
| 20:04.57 | S1lm4r1l | this is fucked up =) |
| 20:05.08 | S1lm4r1l | I think my kde is toast |
| 20:06.02 | ezakimak | anyone know if kjs will fully support ecmascript 5 anytime soon? |
| 20:06.15 | JackWinter1 | talking about the kderoot. is it true what i read in here that ~/.kde is being done away with in favour of the XDG dirs? wouldn't that kinda suck? |
| 20:06.27 | ezakimak | i've searched everywhere trying to find a roadmap or something and can't find any discussion of it |
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| 20:11.40 | cousin_luigi | S1lm4r1l: what happens if you right click on the icon while in the menu? doesn't it offer the option to add it to the panel or desktop? |
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| 20:39.24 | huw | how do i tell the calendar that pops up from the clock to use my Thunderbird calendar as its data source? OpenSUSE 13.1 KDE 4.11.5 |
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| 20:41.44 | ezakimak | data source for what? |
| 20:41.50 | ezakimak | events? |
| 20:42.17 | ezakimak | i think there's a place in the kde control center that lets you specify data sources |
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| 21:01.54 | huw | oh, he's left |
| 21:02.08 | huw | can anyone else pick this up? did ezakimak refer to the Akonadi thing? |
| 21:02.40 | lainlives | huw: i believe so |
| 21:03.02 | lainlives | not 100% on how it works, but it should be relatively straight forward |
| 21:03.04 | huw | lainlives: thanks |
| 21:03.21 | lainlives | huw: yea, you shoudl beable to add data sources, and define source type, etc in there |
| 21:03.22 | huw | haha! no offense but if it involves akonadi it won't be straightforward and it probably won't work either |
| 21:03.33 | huw | that's why i'm using Thunderbird instead of Kmail etc |
| 21:03.37 | lainlives | huw: iirc, kde has a relatively simple frontend |
| 21:04.49 | lainlives | mine just 'works' since i use kmail |
| 21:05.20 | huw | you're lucky then! |
| 21:05.41 | huw | since akonadi was born i have tried many, many times to work with it and never had everything working properly |
| 21:05.49 | huw | it's a shame because i love the Kontact suite |
| 21:05.53 | huw | or rather, used to love it |
| 21:06.05 | lainlives | huw: well everything just works for me in reguard to interpolarity between K-apps |
| 21:06.17 | lainlives | hence why i just dont use stuff like thunderbird etc |
| 21:06.31 | huw | believe me, i'd love to not need Thunderbird |
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| 21:14.48 | vixxo | thiago: same error of OpenSSL is reported even on archlinux |
| 21:14.52 | thiago | vixxo: I understand |
| 21:14.59 | vixxo | on different machines from differento wners |
| 21:15.01 | thiago | vixxo: that means people should also avoid ArchLinux until they fix that problem |
| 21:15.12 | vixxo | ok |
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| 21:22.09 | Taoki | Hi. Just saw a video about plasma5. I was wondering if the current release is compatible with plasma4 themes. Including transparent areas with desktop blur, and color scheme support (so panels can use the background color option) |
| 21:23.08 | lainlives | doubt it |
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| 21:23.27 | lainlives | Taoki: thats why i dont want to switch, i love to make myself needlessly eyecandy themes |
| 21:24.09 | Taoki | ok |
| 21:24.22 | Taoki | lainlives: Can you still make themes that support transparency and color scheme colors though? |
| 21:24.23 | lainlives | Taoki: but it runs good! |
| 21:24.34 | Taoki | Even if they have to be edited |
| 21:24.50 | lainlives | Taoki: i dont think that niec theme engine was ported yet |
| 21:24.53 | lainlives | i forget its name |
| 21:25.01 | lainlives | im using it to make many elements transparent |
| 21:25.11 | Taoki | Ok. Hopefully it will be eventually |
| 21:25.41 | lainlives | im sure it will |
| 21:25.44 | lainlives | its still new |
| 21:25.51 | Taoki | lainlives: One more thing, if you have plasma5 and can check now: Can you still use a wallpaper slideshow, so you select a folder of images and the wallpaper is changed every X minutes? Also, can you still set a background image of your own choice (and widgets) on the lock screen? |
| 21:26.21 | lainlives | i havent checked those, i dont have it atm, but im nearly 100% that slideshow is still there |
| 21:26.52 | lainlives | i want starfield plasma to be ported |
| 21:27.07 | lainlives | i like my animated starfield wallpaper with the transparent HUD overlay |
| 21:27.39 | Taoki | nice |
| 21:28.17 | vixxo | thiago: can you please come in archlinux channel to explain to them better the issue ?I don't know much about how is this problematic |
| 21:37.37 | shumski | Taoki: slideshow is still here. locker is still with default wall |
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| 21:38.12 | Taoki | nice |
| 21:38.24 | Taoki | shumski: Can you still configure widgets and a background image for the lock screen manually though?> |
| 21:39.02 | shumski | Taoki: http://i.imgur.com/krPjH1Y.png |
| 21:39.38 | Taoki | shumski: Ok. I don't see an option for that there |
| 21:39.40 | shumski | from what i see, no widgets at all |
| 21:39.45 | Taoki | nods |
| 21:40.09 | Taoki | shumski: Would a theme like this still be possible also? http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=156954 ---- http://opendesktop.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/156954-1.jpg |
| 21:40.20 | Taoki | Talking about transparent (with blur) as well as theme colorized panels |
| 21:40.29 | Taoki | And widget backgrounds |
| 21:40.34 | shumski | don't see why not |
| 21:40.46 | shumski | afaik, only some element names changed |
| 21:41.02 | Taoki | Nice |
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| 21:41.23 | Taoki | would also wonder about which desktop widgets have been ported, and which i might lose when switching to kde5 |
| 21:42.57 | shumski | Taoki: http://i.imgur.com/fBPAyDN.png |
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| 21:43.19 | Taoki | shumski: Ahh, nice |
| 21:43.33 | Taoki | Is that the theme I linked, Colorbit? |
| 21:43.39 | lainlives | has to start working on plasma5 themes |
| 21:43.46 | lainlives | i got one program using plasma5 and it clashes now |
| 21:43.57 | shumski | yes |
| 21:44.20 | Taoki | shumski: Nice! Thank you for testing it and taking a screenshot. I forked that theme and maintain it, and it's good to know plasma5 supports it |
| 21:44.56 | shumski | all themes mostly work, some would need to add new elements |
| 21:45.09 | Taoki | no worries then |
| 21:45.15 | lainlives | like mine probably will |
| 21:45.30 | Taoki | shumski: Is there a list of the widgets that were ported and the ones that weren't? So I can know if any of the ones I use currently in kde4 might not be there yet |
| 21:45.50 | shumski | i'm not sure there's a list |
| 21:46.19 | Taoki | ok |
| 21:46.23 | shumski | prolly would be good to wait for 5.1 or 5.2 at least for more widgets |
| 21:46.42 | Taoki | shumski: Would it annoy you too much if I asked you to check for the ones I use, if you have plasma5 at hand now? |
| 21:47.01 | Taoki | Only if you can now |
| 21:47.10 | shumski | shoot. though it could happen i don't know them all by official name |
| 21:47.23 | Taoki | Thanks. Ok, hold on |
| 21:47.32 | shumski | i can tell you none from plasma-addons are (officially at least) |
| 21:48.48 | Taoki | shumski: Quick Access, Trash, Lock/Logout Settings, RSSNOW, System Monitor (the one that lists CPU / memory / network / etc), Photo Frame. |
| 21:49.01 | Taoki | Most curious about RSSNOW, Photo Frame, and System Monitor. |
| 21:49.24 | Taoki | Also if the Photo Frame stil has the slideshow option |
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| 21:49.52 | shumski | quick access - 3rd party, dead afaik. trash - yes, lock/out - yes.. rss -no, sysmon -no, photo - no |
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| 21:54.36 | Taoki | Ouch... ok |
| 21:55.01 | Taoki | Sounds like none of my essential widgets exist. I hope openSUSE won't switch to KDE5 too early in that case |
| 21:55.11 | Taoki | (but as early as it's ready) |
| 21:55.58 | shumski | not before 13.3 |
| 21:56.41 | Taoki | That's good. Hopefully the remaining things can be polished till then. I'm sure KDE5 will be great when its time comes |
| 21:59.06 | Taoki | I... guess I could ask one more thing: Is there any simply Linux distro that comes with KDE5 or will relatively soon? Basically something I can put on virtualbox, just to see how plasma5 / kwin5 / etc. are working |
| 21:59.31 | lainlives | it should be available on most major distros now |
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| 22:00.02 | shumski | yep. |
| 22:00.06 | Taoki | ok. Should look for a good small distro, just to check it out on a VM |
| 22:00.23 | shumski | and KWin/5 is co-installable with 4.x version anyway |
| 22:00.35 | Taoki | nice |
| 22:00.59 | Taoki | In regard to KWin, as long as there's an oxygen-transparent version for kwin5, nothing for me to worry about :) |
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