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00:12.29FauveHello people o/
00:12.46FauvePlease, witch command allow me to run the configuration of KDM ?
00:13.02FauveI don’t use the whool KDE, so I havn’t menus and icons.
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00:13.29thiagosystemsettings
00:14.01FauveI didn’t have it :/
00:14.06thiagokcmshell4 kdm
00:15.02FauveI haven’t too :/
00:15.21FauveAh, as root.
00:15.39FauveI haven’t it at root :/
00:16.33FauveThank you thiago
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00:45.36arvutwhere is the standard configs for desktop wallpapers at? I need to change the standard backgroud for a new kde4 session...
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00:48.12thiago~/.kde/share/config/
00:48.21thiagothe files are plasma-desktoprc and plasma-desktop-appletsrc
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01:04.29JacobGuy7800Anyone on?
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02:20.03Niemandhey, anybody here who can helps me with my lockscreen?
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05:36.15x75which package is responsible for icon settings under applications and appearance?
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08:34.35arminhi, is it possible to make the previews in the alt-tab switcher smaller?
08:35.45igurdyes
08:35.47igurd:v
08:35.58arminhow so? :-)
08:36.04igurdalt+f2 -> task switcher
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08:41.40arminigurd: works for me. thank you.
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08:42.33arminthe screen filter seems to be buggy, though.
08:43.44arminah - it's actually not buggy, the input focus is just not bound to the position of the mouse cursor, hence my confusion.
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08:58.36arminso how would i add a custom launch button to a panel? drag'n'drop of the program onto it doesn't work, there is no menu entry to add a custom launcher, and editing the menu doesn't work either.
09:00.30igurdarmin: rmb on the desktop -> unlock widgets
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09:07.09arminigurd: hm. so it just took me 7 minutes to add a custom launcher to a panel in a fully-fledged desktop-environment. i'm not quite sure what i should think of that, but seriously, the way this works is completely counter-intuitive and terrible.
09:07.58igurdarmin: that's why there's that ugly cashew icon on your desktop :V
09:11.35arminigurd: no that's really not what i meant. i mean "unlocking widgets" for example will alter the right mouse button menu that i get when right clicking an entry in the kickoff application launcher. seriously? the possibility to drag'n'drop an element to a *panel* will be lost when locking widgets on the *desktop*, though the mouse cursor will display a little "+" or shortcut icon beside it even with locked desktop widgets. (the f...?), and creating a custom la
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09:13.17igurdarmin: report it as a bug ;3
09:13.24arminigurd: i mean how hard can it be. say you are an experienced C coder. you write a program and it takes you 5 minutes. you compile it and it takes you 15 seconds. you want to add a custom launcher button to a panel and it takes you longer than all of that? seriously?
09:13.55arminigurd: well i know how big projects act upon bug reports and i got tired of reporting issues like this one. really.
09:15.02valoriesome maintainers aren't good about bug reports
09:15.09valoriebut many are very responsive
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09:15.35arminigurd: well, fun-fact: the only reason i use KDE is that the compositor supports OpenGL (even if even that is buggy so i always have to switch the backend once after starting up KDE), so my desktop will not have tearing.
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09:16.35hateballPerhaps adding launchers are not getting high priority since you have krunner and that's probably what most use
09:20.02arminthe problem really is not adding launchers but the way KDE forces me to think and the levels of nesting to acess what i need when performing a specific task and a completely insane naming of the KDE components. even after years of using KDE on an every day basis one might not know what krunner is, or that the menu actually is called "kickoff". also the lock widgets issue i just noticed. that stuff is the counter-intuitivity-thing and won't be fixed by changin
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09:21.14armini mean don't get me wrong. i love KDE, i love to work with it, i love it's flexibility and i usually have a smile on my face when i get into the office and switch on my monitors, but those things are truely annoying.
09:23.11arminand i didn't even notice that the custom launchr creation breaks because obviously there are quoting issues somewhere in the code:  KDEInit could not launch '/home/armin/software/Sublime'  - yes, there's a space after the Sublime in the folder name.
09:23.24arminmeh.
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09:57.59OssidoHello. I have a problem with the font setting. After an upgrade from Kubuntu 12.04 to 14.04, a lot of non-kde applications have started using an ugly monospaced font instead of the one in the GTK settings. Programs affected are, for example, Chromium, Audacity, GIMP, Comix, Cheese, but not, for example, Firefox, which obeys the GTK settins in the System Settings
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10:30.03dadonpIs it possible for someone to explain Calligra Plan? It's showing the wrong resource for the task, it's missing tasks in the task execution and gantt chart. I have no idea how to use this tool. I recently changed from Gnome Planner.
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11:20.34arminok, so i create a launcher for an executable that has a space in the path name by drag'n'dropping a taskbar button onto a panel and that works. but when launching, it breaks because that stuff isn
11:20.41armin...'t properly quoted.
11:21.23arminso i rename that folder to not have spaces anymore, start the application again, drag'n'drop. it breaks again, with the exact same error message, because KDEINIT still thinks the path name is the old one.
11:21.29arminjesus christ, this is broken.
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11:23.40baizonhi, any recommendations for a KDE distro?
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11:25.21Ossidountil two days ago I would have said kubuntu, but I'm still dealing with a disastrous upgrade
11:26.01hateballmeanwhile I am running kubuntu without said issues :|
11:26.02baizonOssido: whats the problem?
11:26.16baizonyeah, im also thinking of kubuntu
11:26.19baizon5 years support
11:26.27baizonpretty new software
11:26.44igurdit won't be that new after those 5 years ;3
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11:27.08baizonofc, i just mean its nice to have
11:27.13igurdand the dist upgrades sometimes don't go that well
11:27.31baizonim not using dist upgrades
11:27.34Ossidofirst a problem in the upgrade of the latex files. I filed a genuine bug report about that. then a problemin the login manager that I solved editing manually some conf files, then a problem in the language of some applications, that I could only solve by removing a language
11:27.43baizoni always do a fresh install
11:27.54Ossidoyes, it's always better
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11:28.18baizonimho its even faster then a dist upgrade
11:28.25Ossidobut I've used kubuntu for a really long time, and this is by far the worse upgrade I've ever had
11:28.46Ossidoshould have stayed with 12.04
11:28.51baizonOssido: 12.04 -> 14.04?
11:28.53Ossidoyes
11:29.17baizoncant tell, did made a fresh 14.04 a few days ago
11:30.22baizonbest decision ever :)
11:34.31hateballI've release-upgraded since... forever, never had any real breakage
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12:07.34zmityahi Gents,
12:09.25zmityaI'm not sure whether my question is a distro related one, but since I upgraded to trusty (KDE 4.13.3) my hidden panel does not pop up if the focus is at my other monitor...
12:10.38zmityaI have to click on a window first on the right monitor to get my hidded panel from the very right side pop up...
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12:58.03OssidoHello. I have a problem with the font setting. After an upgrade from Kubuntu 12.04 to 14.04, a lot of non-kde applications have started using an ugly monospaced font instead of the one in the GTK settings. Programs affected are, for example, Chromium, Audacity, GIMP, Gramps, Comix, Cheese, but not, for example, Firefox, which obeys the GTK settins in the System Settings. As far as I can see, the problem involves only the
12:58.04Ossidofonts, and not the style.
12:58.53Sho_might be gtk2 vs 3
13:00.01Ossidohow do I see if a program uses gtk2 or gtk3?
13:00.22Sho_honestly no idea, i'd probably check distro package deps
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13:02.41scummosldd maybe
13:03.56Ossidolooking at the dependencies, it's gtk2 for most of them
13:04.04Ossidobut 3 for gramps
13:04.14Ossidoit doesn't seem to be correlated
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13:15.52Ossidois there a reasonable way to reinstall gkt?
13:16.48AmadiroOssido, some package-managers allow you to uninstall while ignoring dependencies or re-install a package in one atomic operation (without uninstalling all dependencies)
13:17.07Ossidoah, like which?
13:17.08Amadiromight not be a good idea though, and if the issue is config-file related, you might need to do more than just remove (like purge)
13:17.16Amadirodon't know for ubuntu, sorry
13:17.19Ossidommh, yes, I thought so
13:17.42Ossidosomething like purging libcairo2 and reinstalling things afterwards?
13:17.44Amadirobut AFAIR, `apt-get purge package` removes config files as well
13:17.45Ossidois this madness?
13:17.54AmadiroI doubt libcairo is the one causing the issue
13:18.00hateballIt only removes systemwide config files mind you
13:18.08AmadiroI'd just try to mess around with the gtk+ config tools
13:18.29OssidoI've tried it for a bit
13:18.41hateballThe GTK config tools run as your user, so any configs are saved in ~/ and doesnt get purged
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13:19.13Ossidowhen I change the configurations, the fonts in Firefox respond to the changes
13:19.25Ossidobut in chromium they stay fixed
13:20.30BluesKajchromium doesn'r use the fonts from system settings , it has it;s ownb setting in chromium settings advanced
13:20.54BluesKajscuse my spelling
13:21.15OssidoI mean the fonts in the UI
13:22.11Ossidoin its advanced settings you can change the fonts that it uses to render webpages, of course, but that's not the concern
13:22.14Ossidothose are fine
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13:23.12Ossidothe font written in the config files like .gtkrc-2.0 or ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini is the one that I set with the config tools
13:23.23Ossidoand the one that Firefox shows
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13:24.44AciD`hey
13:25.28AciD`I'd like to remap the '°' sign to alt-gr + d on my (dvorak) keyboard. Is there a way to do that from the kde keyboard config window ?
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13:31.32Ossidocould it help to purge libgtk2.0-0 libgtk-3.0-0 and reinstall?
13:33.43Ossidoah, a strange thing: in the chromium omnibar, when a letter becomes bold, it also changes the font
13:35.08Ossidofor example, when typing in the bar, it shows you pages that you have already visited. The part that you have already typed in is bolded, and it's in another font (which look like it could be the right one) while the rest is in the wrong monospaced font
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13:56.51AciD`ok, doing `xmodmap -e "keycode 40 = d D d D degree degree ediaeresis Ediaeresis Cyrillic_de Cyrillic_DE"` was the solution
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14:08.22joaocis system tray expected to be prepared for general apps in plasma 5?
14:08.24joaocheyy guys
14:09.20lfrlucasThey don't have system tray in KDE5, so they cannot receive the notification of your message
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14:16.09Ossidocould it be pango? What's pango precisely?
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14:22.13Sho_Ossido: GTK+'s text shaping/layouting API
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14:22.18Sho_Ossido: it's unlikely to be at fault
14:23.40wheezy123hello, "Open Containing Folder" in Firefox Downloads opening in Gwenview instead of Dolphin, any fix?
14:24.00Sho_sounds like inode/directory in your system is associated with gwenview, perhaps
14:24.06Sho_check the file associations
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14:45.16ntzhello
14:45.46ntzI have little issue with knotes .. I guess that sorting order if you change the knote name (timestamp) is hardcoded to be alphabetical, right ?
14:45.58lainlivesfor some reason, some of my programs now cannot find my system tray
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14:47.23lainlivesand global hotkeys do not work
14:48.30donniezazenHow does KMail handles Gmail's All Mail? Does it down two copies of each mail?
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14:52.18lainlivesso why would pulseaudio running as root make all of KDE fall apart
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14:59.55ntzlainlives: just because .. don't run PA under root
15:00.15lainliveshmmm how else could i get my music to continue when i switch ttys?
15:00.36ntzuse alsa
15:00.52ntzmplayer -ao alsa foo
15:01.12ntzshould omnit PA
15:01.20lainlivescan i do that with amarok?
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15:02.56ntzdunno
15:03.10alip2890Hi, I have a Radeon HD 2400 PRO graphic card at work and would like to run kde. Is it convenient with this card or do I need a better one?
15:03.49lainlivesim using a HD3650 that has a dying shader core
15:03.56igurdi'm running it on an integrated intel card from ~2006
15:04.08igurdand it's ok :v
15:04.15lainlivesalip2890: if this card works so splendidly in this shape, yours would probably work decent
15:04.31alip2890sounds great. I was running gnome shell and it was rather sluggish
15:05.06igurdyou probably would have to disable blur and other funky effects ,_,
15:05.35lainlivesactually he could get away with at least a /few/ effects
15:05.40lainlivesbut yea
15:05.48lainlivesdont go overboard else it may run slow
15:06.07alip2890I will try that, thanks for the advice
15:06.13lainlivesalip2890: how much vram it got?
15:06.22BluesKajalip2890, that's a decent card altho ati/amd drivers are hit and miss on linux
15:06.24lainlivesi noticed that plys abigger role in KDE than gpu clock
15:06.42lainlivesBluesKaj: pfft, i think the radeon driver > nouvou or however itsspelled
15:07.01BluesKajnnouveau is a nvidia driver
15:07.05lainlivesi know
15:07.23lainliveswhat im saying is i can get more games to run under the radeon driver (yea i got a few machines)
15:07.34lainliveson comparable generation nv/amds
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15:10.26alip2890lainlives: lspci -v -s 01:00.0 says 256M
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15:11.22BluesKajalip2890, what do you intend with this card ?
15:11.26lainlivesshould be fine :3
15:11.41lainlivesalip2890: it will work, but its obviously not going to be a powerhouse
15:12.22BluesKajit's fine for online gaming
15:12.26alip2890great. I do mainly web development, the card isn't much used
15:13.14lainlivesyea, other than the occasional page scroll lag, or animate ad fail it shall work
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16:08.27RLacan someone help me confirm that snippet cannot be inserted if name prefix does not have either line start or space before it
16:08.33RLain latest kate
16:09.11RLain short, something.<snippet name> does not work but something<space><snippet name> works
16:09.57RLasupporting the former would make snippets more useful
16:10.29RLamy kate version is 3.10.5 (kde 4.10.5)
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16:18.10x75Which package(s) is responsible for icon settings under application appearance?
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16:20.09RLahm, nvm, in my case i can use snippet for whole statement
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19:03.25GreatEmeraldIn KF5, is there (or will there) be a way to specify the representation of file size?
19:03.53GreatEmeraldIt defaults to the MiB/GiB system, and I don't like that, much prefer the SI system
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19:39.47AndrzejLguys and girls...
19:39.56AndrzejLI need some help
19:40.01AndrzejLwhen I right click on kmix (kde mixer / volume control) and choose to setup audio I get multiple devices to choose from as a sources of notification and so on... I was playing with pavucontrol and all of the sudden I got this "connecting" thingy and all of the devices were gone all I had was "pulseaudio server" - isnt that what I want all the time?
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19:40.35AndrzejLbut after reboot its back to multiple choices...
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19:40.52AndrzejLhow do I set it up so the whole kde is using pulseaudio as default?
19:43.25cb400fthink it does that if pulseaudio is running
19:43.44AndrzejLpulse is running...
19:44.01AndrzejLI have smplayer set to use pulse as the output and it works
19:44.35cb400fand that's also why you have the pulseaudio features in kmix, such as the multiple devices.. per app volume etc.
19:45.09AndrzejLoh no its not that
19:45.20AndrzejLoh yes and no
19:45.29AndrzejLI do have those multiple devices - its great
19:46.24AndrzejLbut when I right click > setup audio > Device preference > and here I get "Built-in Audion Analog Stereo" and so on
19:46.45AndrzejLand in the same space I had the "Pulseaudio server" after playing in pavucontrol
19:48.28AndrzejLso I was wondering should I have the pa stuff or the built in stuff
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19:52.05joaocheyy guys
19:52.19joaochow do i define include dirs for kde frameworks in cmake?
19:56.07GreatEmeraldAndrzejL: You want the built-in stuff. Check in Phonon properties in system settings, if it only shows "PulseAudio server" thent hat means something is wrong. It should list all the different modes.
19:57.07AndrzejLI dont have phonon ;D I have gstreamer GreatEmerald ;D
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19:58.48AndrzejLGreatEmerald: should I use phonon? :D
19:59.42AndrzejLthe sound works and it works fine - just wondering
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20:00.39AndrzejLoh and when the pulseaudio was chosen in all the devices kmix made this funny noise when I was changing volume up and down ;D
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20:15.00GreatEmeraldAndrzejL: You are using Phonon. GStreamer is one of Phonon's backends
20:15.03qdataAndrzejL: that funny noise can be turned off by  clicking the wrench when you bring up kmix, then select General tab and deselect the 'Volume Feedback' box
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20:20.41jabesedcan I use kde 4.x plasmoids with plasma 5?
20:20.53jabesedmore precisely, can I use this: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Redshift+Plasmoid?content=148737
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20:22.53kbroulikjabesed: Plasma 5's architecture is completely different from Plasma 4 and all based on QML, so you cannot use any of the 4.x applet in 5
20:23.55jabesed:(
20:24.01jabesedkbroulik: alright
20:24.25jabesedshame I can't live without redshift anymore
20:26.01kbroulikboah woah that guy really put a lot of effort into that plasmoid, it even has activity support
20:26.06kbroulik*but woah
20:27.29jabesedkbroulik: I wouldn't even need something that complex, the basics would do just fine
20:27.35AndrzejLqdata: but that funny noise was gone as soon as I rebooted and it went back to built in devices ;D
20:27.40AndrzejLGreatEmerald: good to know :D
20:27.42kbroulikjabesed: that sounds quite interesting
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20:28.34jabesedkbroulik: it's great, I also put twilight (similar for android) in my mobile, it makes a huge difference
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21:46.06AndrzejLI was wrong the bursting bubbles sound is still there...
21:46.19AndrzejLthere is a dark force working on my machine I tell you ;D
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22:03.06Rnuomerhello
22:04.12RnuomerI've got something that I'm not sure is a bug or an intended design?
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22:16.33AndrzejLrun it past us we will tell you if we can
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22:18.03Rnuomerokay, I have four workspaces set up, each with its own desktop icons.  when I switch for example from my social desktop to my games desktop, KSnakeDuel is hilighted, so I press enter to open it
22:18.30Rnuomerhowever, the last thing I ran was Konversation on my social desktop, and that is still hilighted, so it gets run instead
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22:20.40Rnuomerthis happens a lot when I forget how that works, I think the hilighted icon on the current active desktop should be what's run?
22:20.56Rnuomerbut it's the last one that was hilighted, accross all desktops
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22:41.06insidious15hey guys
22:41.22insidious15anybody know why "WOrkspace theme" never loads in kDE5?
22:41.36insidious15it loads until it asks to terminate/wait
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22:59.22danhedronhow does KDE decide what window manager to launch?, startkde is executed and then what happens?
23:01.34danhedronah I see, it looks at the value of KDEWM
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23:10.08insidious15anybody know why "Worskpace Theme" in KDE5 never loads? it just keeps loading until it asks to terminate or wait longer
23:10.11insidious15????
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23:17.53insidious15yooooooooooooh
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23:18.16V^Vheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey
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23:19.27insidious15http://pastebin.com/1e497KNc heres the error on pastebin
23:19.37insidious15i need your help almighty KDE gods
23:19.42insidious15please, answer my prayers
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23:22.18insidious15i feel the God's have abandoned me
23:22.20insidious15i am truly lost
23:22.40lainlivesjust wait a bit
23:22.46lainlivessomeone eventually may beable to help
23:23.09insidious15ok
23:23.17insidious15i will help until someone will beable to help
23:23.33V^Vquestion, how do I stop akonadi from starting on log in? I don't have any kdepim, kalarm or events displayed on the clock but akonadi still starts
23:24.12V^Vdesktop search disabled too
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23:25.58V^VWe'll act like real Gods do and ignore your prayers
23:27.06insidious15:(
23:27.11insidious15FUCK THE GODS
23:27.12insidious15SATAN
23:27.13insidious15HELP
23:27.16insidious15ITS YOUR TURN
23:27.29insidious15FIX MAH KDE
23:27.30V^Vwassup?
23:27.45insidious15aight satan, i need some real help
23:27.58insidious15dafuq is mah KDE "Workspace Settings" not working
23:28.35insidious15http://pastebin.com/1e497KNc for ref
23:29.18V^Vinsidious15: mv ~/.kde4 ~/.kde4-old
23:29.26V^Vrelog in and see if it works that way
23:30.01V^Vdbus is down
23:30.15insidious15relogging
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23:31.25insidious15didn't work
23:31.30insidious15:(
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23:36.01V^Vinsidious15: rm -rf ~/.kde4 && mv ~/.kde4-old ~/.kde4 && ps -A | grep bus
23:36.22V^Vis dbus running?
23:37.23insidious15yep
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23:37.45V^Vugm
23:38.26V^Vdbus-daemon ? what is your distro?
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23:38.53insidious15dbus-daemon
23:38.55insidious15Archlinux
23:39.07insidious15there are two instances of it though
23:39.16insidious15actually 3
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23:39.28V^Vinsidious15: thats k. dbus-launch too?
23:39.35insidious15yep
23:39.39insidious15dbus-launch too
23:39.50V^Vpacman -Syu is up to date?
23:40.06insidious15updated 2 hours ago
23:40.36insidious15and there is nothing to do upon running again just now
23:40.43V^Vye
23:43.24V^Vrm -rf ~/.dbus/ && killall -9 dbus-daemon dbus-launch at-spi-bus-launcher
23:43.28V^Vrelog in
23:45.09insidious15relogging
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23:46.59insidious15sooooooooooooooooooooooo it didin't work :(
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23:48.40V^Vstill same error?
23:49.45V^Vuhm, do you have an ~/.xinitrc?
23:50.31insidious15NOPE!
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23:50.53V^Vcp /etc/skel/.xinitrc ~/
23:50.58V^Vrelog
23:53.06V^Vkill system dbus too or reboot
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23:54.43insidious15not working yet imma try restarting
23:54.51V^Vdo you have SE or Apparmor?
23:55.10V^Vdoes it work on other users?
23:56.16V^Veither case this seems to be with dbus not kde, so #archlinux should be more helpful :)
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23:56.46insidious15not working
23:56.54insidious15but i think i am not getting the same error
23:57.12V^Vwhat is it now?
23:58.34insidious15Call to object / at :1.29: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply (Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.) failed
23:58.38insidious15nvm
23:58.41insidious15i think it's same error
23:58.49insidious15i did delete all txt files in ~/.config
23:59.03insidious15beccause i had to reload KDe5 because it crashed because of some system settings before today

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