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03:34.52cybermailshi everybody. I can't seem to get the "volume feedback" working even after I have it checked in Kmix configuration. Any idea how to get it to work?
03:37.15cybermailsanybody?
03:39.11Oksana<PROTECTED>
03:39.41cybermailsI have it checked on and I'm using pulseaudio... still doesn't work :(
03:40.08OksanaRestart KMix?
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03:40.47cybermailsi have restared my computer several times.. how do i restart kmix?
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03:42.25OksanaDo not know. Searching...
03:42.34cybermailsthanks
03:44.06Oksanain a terminal as a regular user type 'kmix' to restart kmix.
03:44.28OksanaMaybe, some kind of kill kmix before that to stop kmix?..
03:44.29cybermailsok
03:45.23OksanaIs there PulseAudio or Alsa in System Settings->Multimedia->Phonon ?
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03:46.19cybermailsIn Backend tab in Audio and Video Settings I only see GStreamer
03:47.06cybermailsI typed this in terminal
03:47.12cybermails$ pulseaudio
03:47.13cybermailsE: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
03:47.15cybermailsE: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
03:47.34Oksanapulseaudio is already running. Good.
03:47.46cybermailsyeah
03:47.52OksanaThe question is, does kmix know that pulseaudio is running?
03:48.04cybermailsok
03:48.10cybermailsi mean i don't know :)
03:52.46OksanaMaster channel : is it  "Internal Audio Analog Stereo" or "Master"?
03:53.00cybermailshow do i check? sorry
03:53.28OksanaIn the same "Audio and Video Settings" aka Phonon.
03:54.19OksanaSorry, I am flying blind.
03:54.48cybermailsDevice Configuration -> Sound Device -> Playback (Built-in Audio Analog Stereo)
03:57.30OksanaShould be fine... Looks like pulseaudio...
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03:58.57OksanaLook for VolumeFeedback in file ~/.kde/share/config/kmixrc ?
04:00.01cybermailsThere is no such line in it
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04:09.42cybermailsstill no volume feedback sound, but it did reduce the steps for volume change
04:10.16OksanaInteresting... There is an example of kmixrc file : https://github.com/EtiennePerot/pupfiles/blob/master/modules/desktop/files/environment/kde/kmix/kmixrc
04:10.25cybermailsdo you think i'm actually missing the plog sound file?
04:10.33OksanaSo, the file works, the Volume Feedback does not.
04:10.37OksanaMaybe.
04:11.17cybermailsplop*
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04:14.20cybermailsare you still there Oksana?
04:14.29OksanaYes.
04:14.45OksanaJust not sure where to find filepath to volume-changing sound.
04:14.46cybermailshey i really appreciate trying.. my eyes are getting heavy :)
04:18.16cybermailsi'm gonna hit the hay.. have to get up early tomorrow. Thanks again!
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04:28.12OksanaHopefully, somebody else will read the backlog and figure out why Volume Feedback had no sound in KMix.
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06:11.09lordievaderGood morning.
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06:33.33kstarthey guys, is there a way to hide the window outlines in the pager. See https://mediacru.sh/KetoZ1TR2LZK
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09:31.17rainbowtuxHi all, I got a few updates to my KDE 4.14 and now i 'lost' Oxygen as application appearance style. How can I fix this please?
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09:36.11haridas1Hi, I'm using debian testing version and the default kde is 4.14.1 and I'm trying to build KDE5 by following this link - https://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Building
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09:37.54haridas1But building processes failed and saying it failed to process following packages  -- log is in pastebin - http://paste.kde.org/pldbsndno
09:38.57haridas1It looks like some cyclic cmake dependencies.. any suggestions about how to fix this building problem ?
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10:57.39sh4trcan you disable the font shadow of the window decoration tittle bar?
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11:02.05daria93is there a way to start kde from command line, without a display manager?
11:02.27daria93found out i have kde installed for some reason, why not give it a try without changing sys settings
11:02.48daria93either startx or xinit
11:02.54daria93-- :1
11:03.53daria93manually
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11:04.04sh4tri disabled kdm and tried startkde, i did not work afair
11:04.50daria93something like startx /path/to/kde/launcher/ -- :1
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11:05.55sh4trhttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kde#Using_xinitrc
11:06.39daria93not found
11:07.03daria93i'm looking for the most robust way for starting it without making changes
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11:12.07daria93maybe some other time
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13:33.36arvuthey, anyone know if its possible to set the step that my keyboard volume control adjusts the volume inside kde (kmix/pulse/alsa)?
13:33.57arvutatm its adjusting 5 points up or down, I want it to do just 1 point
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13:39.05rdieterarvut: yes, but the option is not exposed in the UI and requires manually editing kmixrc, lemme get the details
13:39.51rdieterarvut: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189995#c2
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14:01.20arvutrdieter: thx!
14:02.21arvutrdieter: your name isn't dieter funck, is it?
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14:13.32arvutit wouldn't be safe to edit kmixrc without closing down kmix first, would it?
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14:14.40rdieterarvut: correct (else you're modifications would likely get lost)
14:14.51arvutoh
14:14.55arvutthat would suck
14:15.26arvutbut I could cp the conf and edit it, then replace the real conf with the copied/edited version later, right?
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14:17.02rdietersure
14:17.23rdieterit's easy enough to quit/restart kmix, so shouldn't be a problem though
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14:28.13arvutrdieter: I don't wanna cancel my audiophile experience :)
14:28.23arvutor even interrupt it
14:29.09rdieterquiting kmix should not affect anything
14:29.29rdieter(nor (re)starting it)
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14:48.47mark999I'm looking for a way to view my outlook/exchange calendar in KDE. I tried DAVMail, but haven't had any luck yet. Do you know of any other apps that will do it?
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14:54.20mitch0actually, thunderbird + Lightning + Echange EWS Provider
14:54.31mark999mitch0: thanks
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16:45.49Maxatrying Konsole (4.14.1) again for irc and often when I click an url lots of lines are also selected at the same time
16:46.44Maxais it just me? I think this happened on previous versions too, years ago
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17:20.51DrZaiushi... I have kde frozen /usr/bin/X process up to 100% usage. Anybody can help me to debug the cause for the greater good of kde? :)
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18:35.33rdieterDrZaius: most of the time, that's a video driver bug
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18:46.20Murray_Bhi! Nice to see this channel is still alive, I thought there were now different channels for framework, plasma and applications ;-)
18:46.52Murray_BJust a question, is there a plan when the applications should be ported to KDE framework/plasma 5?
18:47.45Murray_BI only found plans for framework and plasma, but I guess there won't be binary packages in my distribution until the applications are ported too.
18:47.52demmMurray_B: that is ongoing, many are ported, expect a stable release for those with 14.12
18:48.25demmsome are not so stable yet (git build), some are fully functional
18:48.50Murray_Bdemm: Ah, thank you. You mean 14.12.2014?
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18:50.34demmKDE Applications 2014.12 or some number like that :)
18:51.00demmthat will be mixed, some will still be KDE 4 based, some plasma 5
18:51.13rdieterfwiw, kde4 applications can run just fine on plasma5
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18:51.45windowshasyouso does this mean that there will still be the qt3 api in addition to qt4 and now qt5?
18:52.43Murray_Brdieter: Arch Linux has only frameworks at the moment, don't know when the will start with plasma 5
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18:53.16jillsmittwe always have only
18:53.25Murray_Brdieter: The seem to start slow, AFAIR the start a bit fast with KDE 4.0 ;-)
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18:54.04Murray_BErr, "They", not "The"
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19:00.25cordellwhen i try to do the square root of a number in kcalc by pressing shift + click x^2. it does not seem to work. am i doing this wrong or is kcalc broken?
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19:26.58lordievadercordell: Put it in science mode and hit the square key.
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19:28.00cordelllordievader: im an idiot, there is a virtual shift key in kcalc. i was pressing physical shift key
19:28.51cordellif wonder if a patch could be submitted that would allow using a physical shift key to depress the virtual shift key
19:29.36lordievadercordell: Submit a wishlist bug report.
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20:23.42CounterPillowthanks, just got my ears destroyed because of https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324975
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20:34.37faircCounterPillow: yep, welcome in the Club!
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20:36.27rdieterthat bug includes at least 2 fixes/workarounds, pick one (or encourage your distro to do so)
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20:37.01CounterPillowrdieter: why are they not merged upstream?
20:37.24cybermailscan someone please help me get the 'volume feedback' sound turned on? I have the 'volume feedback' option checked
20:37.36CounterPillowAs some people in the issue comments point out, we're way past the point where we can argue software design and not merge something, because it's an actual health hazard
20:37.38rdieterCounterPillow: each easy fix has drawbacks
20:37.59rdieterthere's an ideal fix, but would require a lot more work, work that no one has (apparently) had time to invest yet
20:38.03CounterPilloware the drawbacks as bad as 100% volume through the headphones?
20:38.54rdieterI would encourage to adopt the "use libcanberra" approach, but I think the drawback there is it enforces the use of pulseaudio (which is a very strong recommendation anyway)
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20:40.10cybermailsrdieter: not sure where to start
20:41.15rdietercybermails: it requires you to apply one of the patches in the bug report to kde-runtime sources, and re-building it.  If you don't know how to do that, ... like I said, I'd encourage you to ping your distro to do it for you
20:42.04rdietercybermails: err, sorry, my feedback was to CounterPillow  and fairc about bug 324975, not your issue
20:42.22cybermailsoh ok, thanks rdieter
20:43.24fairc<rdieter> CounterPillow: each easy fix has drawbacks
20:43.27faircand?
20:43.47faircI mean the current behaviour is *badly* flawed
20:44.18faircI understand that everyone wants to have "ideal" software
20:44.52faircbut currently that isn't either the case, so I don't understand this argumentation
20:45.39faircand furthermor it is at users expense... :-(
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22:53.45boombatowerworked great
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