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01:56.25nowhere_manhi all
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01:59.04nowhere_manI'm wondering if something uses a keyboard shortcut
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01:59.31nowhere_manI didn't find it in System Config
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06:51.25donniezazenWhat's the best way to reach KMail guys?
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06:51.49jgrulich_donniezazen: go to #kontact channel
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07:10.59donniezazenUntil #kontact comes to action. I will just post it here. KMail has stopped syncing my emails. It started lagging for a few days and this morning it basically gave up. http://www.linuxvoice.com/linux-distros/
07:11.03donniezazensorry
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07:11.13donniezazenwrong link http://i.imgur.com/18WMvAt.png
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07:27.30donniezazenafter restarting akonadi it seems to work.
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08:23.57lordievaderGood morning.
08:26.18realnotlordievader: morning :)
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08:26.51lordievaderHey realnot, how are you?
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10:05.08rindolfHi all.
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11:18.47BluesKajHey folks
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13:50.37quinsoHello. I want to file a bug report on bugs.kde.org for this widget. http://i.imgur.com/QioftGC.png Any idea what product it belongs to?
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13:52.05rdieterquinso: I think that's kdeplasma-addons
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13:55.03rdieterquinso: nvm, I think that's part of kde-workspace
13:55.32rdieterplasma_applet_sm_hdd_activity
13:55.40quinsordieter: maybe that's how it's called on your distro. But there is no such thing here https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?format=guided
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13:57.27rdieterquinso: there should be a kde-workspace component (somewhere)
13:57.54quinsordieter: the only thing with the word workspace is "plasma workspace wallpapers"
13:58.14rdieteryay, bugzilla is awesome, lemme see if I can find it
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13:59.31quinsordieter: maybe this? "plasma               Plasma 4 (kdelibs4) desktop, panels and widgets.  Use "plasmashell" for Plasma 5.       "
13:59.52rdieterquinso: ok, I'd say go with "plasma" product then, yeah
14:00.35rdietercomponent: widget-systemmonitor
14:01.20quinsordieter: thanks
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17:30.37stackhi, I'm using the nm applet, it seems I can't get a dhcp address even if dhclient wlan0 works fine, what could be the reason and how do I debug that?
17:30.48PhrogzAnyone have experience with the KDE bug tracker, any guesses as to how often bugs are triaged? I have a workaround, but I'm interested to see this bug addressed: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339796
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17:31.52dazstack: i'd delete and readd the network
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18:30.25jalalsfsWith 'Ark' app, when I try to extract a rar file, it says "Failed to locate program unar on disk." This problem has been exist since the 4.14 version of KDE I believe.
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18:39.29rdieterPhrogz: depends on the component and maintainer(s).  In this case, you may have better luck on their mailing list https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-bindings  (though turns out all kde-bindings bugs are CC'd there already)
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18:43.31rdieterPhrogz: in this case, are you sure the bug is in the right place?  I don't see how https://github.com/ryanmelt/qtbindings is related to kde (am I missing something?)
18:45.44rdieterPhrogz: kde provides qtruby , https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdebindings/ruby/qtruby , which is similar
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18:50.00rdieter(nvm, I now see mention of rbuic4,  which is definitely kde)
18:50.08rdieterand part of qtruby
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19:24.46Phrogzrdieter_work: Yeah, I'm not entirely sure. rbuic4 is producing perfectly valid code, but the Ruby bindings to the Qt method are not properly setting the encoding on the string it returns. I don't really know WHAT qtbindings does, so I'm not sure if the bug is there or in QtRuby.
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20:12.02cx405Hello! I have a question about Konversation, that I couldnt find answer to. I am looking for an option to turn the automatic join of invitations OFF. This is about IRC functionality. Thank you
20:12.58cx405Plainly, if I recieve an invitation from the user, Konversation should not automatically open it in a new window or even join it.
20:13.37baizoncx405: I think you just need to right-click on it and uncheck the "auto-join" checkbox.
20:14.18bitlordI think one way is to use ignore, and ignore invites
20:14.19cx405baizon: could you please be a bit more specific. Should I right-click on newly opened tab?
20:14.31baizoncx405: buddy list?
20:14.48baizonno no no
20:14.49baizonsorry
20:14.53baizonwrong client
20:15.56cx405Id like to implement this as general behavior. Otherwise, my own konversation client can be spammed by nickchanging vandals.
20:16.31baizoncx405: which version are you using?
20:17.06cx405baizon: 1.5 master #4303
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20:17.24baizoncx405: from the feature list "Unchecking the "... a channel invitation is received" warning dialog option in the Warning Dialogs list in the configuration dialog now sets the behavior for future channel join invitations to always joining them. The actual dialog allows chosing between always accepting and always ignoring, but until this can be exposed in the configuration dialog, always joining them makes this option consistent to all other warning
20:17.24baizondialog options."
20:17.33cx405baizon: its part of KDE 4.14
20:17.55baizon"The default behavior upon receiving a channel join invitation is now to ask the user, instead of silently accepting the invitation. The latter behavior accidentally snuck into 1.4 and is considered a bug."
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20:18.14baizonso it should be fixed with 1.5
20:18.45cx405baizon: It automatically accepts in 1.5. This is stock Manjaro system, current amd64 KDE.
20:19.07baizoncx405: have you tried to reset your configuration?
20:20.20cx405baizon: I have installed this system yesterday, no upgrades. I need some time to process the hint from you above, however, so I suggest I try that first.
20:20.57cx405baizon: I mean, I did do upgrade to latest state, but I havent opened konversation before that.
20:21.19baizoncx405: im not using konversation, so i can give you just hints :)
20:22.52bitlordthere is also #konversation channel
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20:24.59cx405bitlord: thank you for hint. I have found the said option, but its solely about displaying a warning. I dont see how it prevents policy on joining the invitation
20:25.43bitlordI think the method I said will work, use ignore feature
20:26.33baizoncx405: i think its a policy that will apply to all invites, so when you pick it once, it wont appear anymore and it will also apply to the invites
20:26.35bitlordit is easy to do with GUI, in Settings > Configure Konversation ... > Behavior > Ignore
20:26.38cx405bitlord: ignoring the user allows him somehow to quickly determine if he is ignored, and .. change the nickname, bypassing it.
20:27.04bitlordyou can ignore all, and allow only those you want
20:27.29bitlordalso do you talk about channel invite, or private messages?
20:29.01cx405about channel invite. It says "user xxx invites you to xxx" and automatically opens window tab with this invitation.
20:29.15bitlordso, ignore them all
20:29.32cx405Would mask for that be "*"?
20:30.40bitlordI use '*!*@*'  but maybe '*' will work too
20:31.01cx405bitlord, can you please invite me to pm for the sake of test? So that I see your invitation, but it does not open as window.
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20:32.01bitlordpm is different from channel invite
20:32.57bitlordfor PMs you can use server modes (+g ( I think this is list based, so you can /accept someone, and +R (only registered users can PM you))
20:32.57cx405bitlord: you can also make an invite. I checked them both.
20:34.42StolenToastwuh-oh
20:34.55StolenToastmy taskbar and wallpaper have disappeared
20:35.07StolenToastis there a process I can restart ot get them back?
20:36.22cx405bitlord: so far I see nothing from you. If you tried sending anything, that means not only windows do not open, but even the possibility to do that is cut by that action. This is not something I would want. PM and invitation from regular sane folks would be a good feature to stay...
20:36.37bitlordcx405: no, sorry I didn't tried :(
20:36.53cx405bitlord: Ah, okay. Thanks for mentioning that.
20:36.54bitlordcx405: ask someone else if wants to test it :(
20:37.18cx405Can someone else please open a PM with me, for the sake of functionality test, please?
20:37.49bitlordcx405: for PMs I told what you can use, it works nice, mostly you expect people to ask before PM, so you can /accept them
20:38.09StolenToastcx405 I pmed you
20:38.16StolenToastyou meant right here, right?
20:38.23bitlordI'm not sure if other irc servers support modes +g or +R, but freenode does
20:38.49cx405StolenToast: yes, right here. I see no pm message, window or sign of it.
20:39.12StolenToastare you testing your new client or something?
20:39.21cx405bitlord: Thats very nice of you, but its a wacky workaround..
20:39.34bitlordcx405: when you have mode +g set, it will tell you that someone wants to contact you in server "window"
20:40.06cx405StolenToast: I have Konversation 1.5 that directly opens window when rogue invitation to channel is recieved.
20:40.36StolenToastsounds unpleasant
20:41.19StolenToastagain, does anyone know how I can get my taskbar back?
20:41.26cx405StolenToast: It allows for vandal to mass-spam invitations. The channel refuses to make registered-only setting, because its a support channel.
20:41.40StolenToastI unplugged all monitors to install a new dual monitor stand and when I came back things were "compressed"
20:42.02StolenToastI'd prefer not to relog
20:44.50bitlordcx405: not sure if you already have this set, it can open /query windows in the background, so they don't become active when someone PM you
20:45.30bitlordin configuration > tabs  "focus new queries"
20:45.35cx405bitlord: the user is spamming window tabs with random channels.
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20:46.34cx405bitlord: window tabs do not autofocus, luckily.
20:47.08bitlordit will still create new tabs with PM from someone, but won't focus to them automatically
20:48.18cx405bitlord: I am trying to turn that functionality off, so I get warned, but the window tabs open only when I click on that.
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21:02.43cx405bitlord: for the sake of the record - to prevent invitation window auto-open, one needs to first ENABLE invitation warning. Then WHEN one recieves invitation, there is a popup window that allows to ignore invitations completely. An request will still be mentioned in main chat, but it will not auto-open invite now.
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21:03.51cx405bitlord, StolenToast, baizon: Thank YOU for trying to help me! This is very appreciated!
21:04.40bitlordcx405: great that you make it working as you like ;-) (I don't know much about konversation, I mostly install it, configure things I like, and just use)
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21:05.37cx405bitlord: Thank you. This is exactly a use case. Imagine someone random trying to spam invitation dialogs and it auto-opening and auto-joining them in new window tabs.
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21:49.47acerspyroThis <- Is a petition to make Konversation splitview-enabled.
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22:05.29mpapisacerspyro, please open a ticket, your petition was most likely missed by all the significat players
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22:05.42acerspyrompapis: lol true
22:06.39acerspyroin the bug tracking system?
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22:09.22mpapisacerspyro, I have no clue, find something, announce it on Monday and make sure someone recived it
22:09.32acerspyrook
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22:15.08acerspyrohttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291261
22:16.19acerspyroOh my god. Noone ever asked for it, noone ever googled for it.
22:16.30mpapisacerspyro, +!\
22:16.34mpapis+1
22:16.34acerspyroWhy? What's so wrong with split screen to see two channels at the same time?
22:17.16mpapisI meat +1 - there is never anything wrong with a question
22:17.31mpapis*meant
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22:34.12StolenToastis konversation new or something?
22:34.29StolenToastthat seems like a very common feature among irc clients
22:35.12Mathnerd314I would say konversation is old and unmaintained (like most software...)
22:35.50StolenToastI'm a fan of weechat but it's not graphical
22:35.55StolenToastif that's what you prefer
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22:44.37fairckonversation is neither new nor unmaintained
22:44.58faircin fact there is already a port for KF5 available
22:45.19faircand there is also a dedicated channel #konversation
22:46.23faircin which the devs are quite active (not at this time) , so I reckon asking ther sometime
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22:51.47acerspyroI simply love Konversation.
22:52.12acerspyroStable, feels good, flexible, the URL parser isn't garbage, lots of functions...
22:52.20acerspyroAll it needs is a split view function.
22:52.32acerspyroAnd maybe new LED icons.
22:52.41acerspyroYeah. New LED icons, with antialiasing.
22:56.28StolenToastand blackjack
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22:57.11acerspyroOh yeah, know what else? I want Konqueror GONE.
22:57.22acerspyroI call it KDE IE 5
22:57.23quIs KDM necessary to be installed, if the machine will only run headless with x2go?
22:59.44StolenToastyeah konqueror is lame
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23:00.08acerspyroIt's a near exact IE 5 replica.
23:01.17acerspyroLooks the same, feels the same, crappy standard support, crashes very often, logo in the right corner
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23:23.13quIs KDM necessary to be installed, if the machine will only run headless with x2go?
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23:40.08valorieacerspyro: you can help the devels out
23:40.12valorieor uninstall it
23:40.29valorieno point in slagging against software, is there?
23:40.37acerspyrovalorie: it's old, no point in keeping it.
23:40.46valorieso don't
23:40.55valoriesome people love it
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23:41.03acerspyro>Some
23:41.09acerspyroidk how they do it lol
23:41.31acerspyroCrashes on me. Too much work to fix anyways, it's scrap.
23:42.26dazit's ok with webkit backend
23:44.38valorieacerspyro: stop torturing yourself by using it then
23:44.51acerspyrovalorie: I am not lol
23:45.03acerspyrodaz: Why isn't the webkit backend by default
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23:51.58dazbecause of reasons
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