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02:55.18 | darwin | I installed WINE, then had to uninstall it, but the WINE menu did not appear back in my KDE menus |
02:55.20 | darwin | how do I get it back? |
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18:21.26 | *** topic/#kde is KDE SC 4.14 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
18:21.35 | philmac | you know |
18:21.36 | cybermails | anybody? |
18:21.57 | philmac | the problem was my key was named: github_rsa |
18:22.26 | philmac | I now renamed it to id_rsa and now it worked |
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18:23.51 | Yatekii | Hi guys |
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18:23.58 | Yatekii | happy new year! |
18:24.10 | philmac | same to you :) |
18:26.44 | rdieter | philmac: ssh-add <file> , takes an optional argument to add more than the default one too |
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18:29.28 | philmac | yeah I guess I have to add to my autostart script ssh-add file1 ssh-add file2 and so forth |
18:32.37 | philmac | yep that did the trick |
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18:59.50 | cybermails | Is there a system wide smooth scrolling setting for KDE? |
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19:18.22 | dk0r | new windows10 desktop borrows nicely from KDE |
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20:51.19 | Yatekii | guys is there any shortcut to launch apps |
20:51.23 | Yatekii | like spotlight on mac |
20:51.28 | Yatekii | or apps like butler etc |
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20:53.56 | Dattorz | Yatekii: Yes, press Alt + F2 |
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20:54.24 | Yatekii | k, ty! |
20:54.32 | Yatekii | dat command sucks balls but I can change that I guess :) |
20:54.33 | Yatekii | ty! |
20:54.44 | acerspyro | ta |
20:54.53 | acerspyro | Yatekii: It's standard on Linux, iirc |
20:54.57 | Dattorz | You can change it through Global Keyboard Shortcuts |
20:55.02 | acerspyro | (GNOME / KDE) |
20:55.39 | Yatekii | well doesn't change the fact it's very bad to reach :) |
20:55.41 | Dattorz | The shortcut is listed under Command Runner Interface or krunner |
20:56.08 | Dattorz | Err, Run Command Interface |
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20:56.21 | acerspyro | Yatekii: Are you doing it with two hands, perhaps? :P |
20:56.38 | Dattorz | I have mine set to Meta + Alt + Space |
20:56.51 | Yatekii | Meta = Mod 4? |
20:57.06 | Dattorz | Meta is the "Windowskey" |
20:57.12 | Yatekii | acerspyro: yeah becasue 1 hand is even worse |
20:57.12 | acerspyro | meta = key that is wrongly bound to super |
20:57.25 | acerspyro | Yatekii: Depends, I do all my shortcuts with one hand |
20:57.36 | acerspyro | Thumb on the alt, middle finger on F2 |
20:57.37 | Yatekii | I don't understand as well how you can use ctrl instead of mod4/apple-key/windows-key |
20:57.42 | acerspyro | (acer laptop) |
20:57.53 | Yatekii | acerspyro: yeah, very hard to reach :) |
20:58.01 | Yatekii | pretty bad imo |
20:58.03 | acerspyro | Yatekii: I guess you have small hands :P |
20:58.05 | Dattorz | Alt + F2 is pretty bad |
20:58.11 | Yatekii | I don't have small hands ;) |
20:58.16 | Dattorz | I think Plasma 5 changes the default shortcut |
20:58.21 | Yatekii | but I do not have tennis rackets as well |
20:58.27 | acerspyro | does |
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20:58.40 | Yatekii | Dattorz: this Mod4 :) |
20:58.50 | Yatekii | can I somehow make it that the metakey is used instead of ctrl? |
20:59.08 | acerspyro | I could literally do Alt + Power button with one hand, look at acer aspire laptops. |
20:59.19 | Yatekii | dunno, I dont like acer |
20:59.22 | Yatekii | dont klnow their layout |
20:59.27 | Dattorz | You kinda have to angle your hand weirdly |
20:59.54 | Dattorz | Yatekii: Shortcuts are configured by pressing a key combination |
21:00.06 | Dattorz | If you want to change key mappings, the KDE keyboard settings has some options |
21:00.14 | acerspyro | Yatekii: Everyone dislikes acer, but noone knows why :P |
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21:01.42 | Yatekii | ^ |
21:01.45 | Yatekii | ^^ |
21:02.06 | Yatekii | question: I do not find that menu in the settings to change that shortcut :S |
21:02.28 | acerspyro | Shortcuts and gestures |
21:02.41 | acerspyro | You're in System settings? |
21:02.50 | Dattorz | You can type Global into KRunner and it should pop up |
21:02.50 | Yatekii | ahhh sorry I just saw the amarok ones |
21:02.52 | acerspyro | (Why the hell is it called Configure Desktop on OpenSUSE?) |
21:02.57 | Yatekii | but I can change the app I am browsing |
21:03.00 | Yatekii | didn't see that sorry |
21:03.11 | Dattorz | If KRunner gives you too much stuff you can turn off individual plugins |
21:03.17 | Dattorz | Click the wrench icon |
21:03.57 | Yatekii | wow TY SO MUCH GUYS |
21:03.57 | Yatekii | got my goo ol meta space back |
21:03.59 | Yatekii | EPIC |
21:04.05 | Yatekii | wow dis day is a great day |
21:04.09 | Yatekii | first I finally made audio work |
21:04.11 | Yatekii | now this |
21:04.31 | Yatekii | any nice to know things every kde beginner should know? |
21:05.02 | Yatekii | btw, is it easy to create an own theme? like not in terms of work amount, but rather how much I need to know about |
21:05.14 | acerspyro | Yatekii: Not much |
21:05.19 | acerspyro | Config files, SVGs... |
21:05.31 | acerspyro | Could, or could not be, self-explanatory. |
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21:06.37 | acerspyro | oh, ic why people don't like Acer products |
21:06.42 | Yatekii | ok ty :) |
21:06.45 | acerspyro | Bad customer support |
21:06.52 | Yatekii | is there any place I can change all the default apps |
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21:07.08 | Yatekii | like default browser? |
21:07.10 | acerspyro | Who the hell needs customer support anyways, unless you're some kind of retarded basket case? |
21:07.31 | acerspyro | Yatekii: system settings |
21:07.37 | Yatekii | well customer support is ok when you have shitty docs becasue the company is shit |
21:07.40 | acerspyro | All settings are in there |
21:07.53 | acerspyro | Yatekii: It's not |
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21:08.14 | acerspyro | Customer support just isn't good. |
21:08.43 | Dattorz | I would strongly recommend that you go into Default Applications, go to Web Browser, and disable "open in an application based on the contents of the URL" |
21:08.47 | Dattorz | It gave me so many problems |
21:09.00 | Dattorz | Just tick the second option and give it your preferred web browser instead |
21:09.02 | acerspyro | They make cheaper laptops for the same quality, so they probably cut in the customer support. |
21:09.56 | acerspyro | https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111123015752AAXs7iH |
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21:10.03 | acerspyro | https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060624185221AAvvUyH |
21:10.08 | acerspyro | http://www.tomsguide.com/forum/64443-35-acer-negative-reputation |
21:10.37 | Yatekii | omg there is an extra menupoint and I was to retard to search for it ... couldnt find manually |
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21:12.11 | Yatekii | any recommendations on file manager? |
21:12.21 | acerspyro | What do you mean |
21:12.43 | Dattorz | Dolphin is probably my favorite file manager ever |
21:12.48 | Dattorz | Not probably |
21:12.51 | Dattorz | It _is_, heh |
21:13.02 | Yatekii | ok :) |
21:13.03 | Yatekii | ty |
21:13.07 | Dattorz | You can set it to a different one though |
21:13.13 | acerspyro | Well, there's no reason not to use dolphin, since it's what's by default on KDE, and it's fully featured. |
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21:13.43 | Yatekii | yeah ok :) |
21:14.09 | Yatekii | there is just many options on file managers so yeah i didnt know :) |
21:14.24 | Yatekii | hmm different question: any nice themes or different must have apps? |
21:14.51 | acerspyro | Yatekii: just look thru the themes, in the themes section of the system settings |
21:15.45 | acerspyro | (Workspace appearance / Applications appearance) |
21:16.06 | acerspyro | Yatekii: Have you visited all the sections in System Settings? |
21:16.52 | Dattorz | If you want passive desktop notifications you can try Colibri |
21:18.22 | Yatekii | acerspyro: yeah I know there is millions :) I have an ok one but I thought maybe you know one specific ;) |
21:18.39 | Yatekii | because there is too many to browse them all I guess :) |
21:18.49 | acerspyro | Yatekii: I use the opensuse theme. |
21:19.05 | acerspyro | Yatekii: Do you know about Alt + Shift + F12? |
21:19.08 | Dattorz | Oh geez System Settings 4 |
21:19.14 | Dattorz | I'm so used to Plasma 5's System Settings |
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21:19.42 | Yatekii | acerspyro: I dont know what it does but actually I am pretty sure I used it once ... |
21:19.48 | Yatekii | ah on win I can record stuff with my nvidia |
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21:20.10 | acerspyro | Disables desktop effects, if you're running a video game or something in windowed more |
21:20.11 | acerspyro | mode* |
21:20.30 | Yatekii | ahhh colibri is like growl |
21:20.51 | Yatekii | I am using quassel atm and every time I get highlighted such a stupid window pops in the weirdst location :D |
21:21.17 | Yatekii | desktop effects are what exactly? animations or just notifictaions or? |
21:21.29 | Dattorz | You can configure notifications for KDE apps under Settings -> Configure Notifications |
21:21.34 | Yatekii | yeh |
21:21.36 | Yatekii | ty :) |
21:21.46 | Dattorz | And you can disable pop-up notifications for certain events |
21:22.59 | Dattorz | Desktop effects as in compositing |
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21:24.27 | acerspyro | yes |
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21:25.18 | Dattorz | KWin is KDE's Compiz except it also has a non-compositing mode |
21:25.52 | Yatekii | ty so much guys :) |
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21:26.39 | acerspyro | np |
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21:28.13 | agliodbs | hey, for Kate editor, I'm getting the error "the shortcut ctrl-shift-p is ambigious". however, when I look in the configure shortcuts, I see only one. where could the other shortcut be? |
21:30.10 | acerspyro | agliodbs: in another app? |
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21:30.25 | agliodbs | acerspyro: rigth. HTF do I find it? |
21:30.33 | agliodbs | there's no universal shortcut search that I know of |
21:30.46 | agliodbs | or can I just tell kate to override any external shortcuts? |
21:30.53 | Yatekii | sorry I still have a question: I installed a precompiled application manually (Telegram.org) how can I add it so the launcher finds it? :S |
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21:31.56 | acerspyro | agliodbs: in the system settings |
21:31.58 | acerspyro | ? |
21:32.36 | agliodbs | acerspyro: yeah, I looked under Keyboard. it's not a desktop shortcut, or at least not a configurable one |
21:32.52 | acerspyro | Pressing that didn't do anything here |
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21:35.59 | agliodbs | acerspyro: actually, it seems to conflict only when my cursor is in the terminal window |
21:36.18 | agliodbs | so apparently konsole added a new shortcut for ctrl+shift+p sometime recently |
21:36.34 | acerspyro | lol |
21:36.52 | acerspyro | This is a dumb bug, since it has nothing to do with Konsole |
21:36.57 | acerspyro | They would never collide anyways |
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21:37.27 | agliodbs | acerspyro: well, running on ubuntu 12.04 this wasn't an issue |
21:37.35 | agliodbs | I just upgraded to 14.04, and now it's a conflict |
21:37.56 | acerspyro | puts elbow on the table with palm wide open |
21:38.00 | acerspyro | PREPARE FOR TAKE OFF |
21:38.13 | acerspyro | applies the hand to his face in a swift movement. |
21:38.20 | agliodbs | so I'm trying to figure out what it's a conflict *with* |
21:38.27 | acerspyro | With Ubuntu |
21:38.29 | acerspyro | Urgh |
21:38.31 | acerspyro | shivers |
21:38.36 | agliodbs | or a way I can tell kate to ignore the conflict |
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21:39.07 | acerspyro | What the fuck are they thinking sometimes. Each new version fixes 15% of bugs, and adds 400% more. |
21:40.32 | agliodbs | acerspyro: that's the problem with desktop OSes |
21:40.34 | Yatekii | guys how do I properly list applications in the launcher? :S |
21:40.44 | acerspyro | agliodbs: I don't have problems with SuSE |
21:40.49 | agliodbs | 90% of new bugs were added by someone who thougth they were making things easier for users |
21:40.50 | Yatekii | in the system settings there is no such option I feel |
21:40.57 | agliodbs | acerspyro: poor support for my HW |
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21:41.08 | acerspyro | agliodbs: what's your hw? |
21:41.14 | agliodbs | acerspyro: ASUS zenbook |
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21:41.23 | acerspyro | What doesn't it support? |
21:41.32 | agliodbs | acerspyro: wireless, for one, last I tried |
21:41.47 | agliodbs | also multi-monitor |
21:41.54 | acerspyro | Weird |
21:41.57 | agliodbs | that was a couple years ago |
21:42.01 | acerspyro | Always worked fine here |
21:42.05 | acerspyro | oh |
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21:42.27 | acerspyro | agliodbs: couple of years ago, OpenSUSE probably had bad support |
21:42.42 | acerspyro | I only saw OpenSUSE about a year ago and now. |
21:43.05 | agliodbs | acerspyro: yeah, sometime I'm not crushingly busy I need to give it a spin again |
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21:43.19 | agliodbs | I was a SuSE guy before the meltdown for SuSE USA and KDE4 |
21:45.20 | agliodbs | acerspyro: a, "print to file" |
21:45.26 | agliodbs | acerspyro: WTF is that defined? |
21:46.12 | acerspyro | agliodbs: in konsole? |
21:46.23 | agliodbs | well, I think it applies to all terminals on Ubuntu |
21:46.25 | agliodbs | lemme check |
21:46.41 | agliodbs | hmmm, no |
21:46.46 | agliodbs | just to konsole |
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21:47.06 | agliodbs | tried an xterm, and ctrl-shift-p is "previous command" |
21:47.34 | acerspyro | Yep, here too, Shift + Ctrl + P is print |
21:47.41 | acerspyro | But it doesn't collide |
21:47.51 | acerspyro | OpenSUSE 13.2 btw. What version have you tried? |
21:48.07 | agliodbs | acerspyro: it collides with my mapping for "pipe to terminal" |
21:48.14 | agliodbs | acerspyro: last one I tried was 10 |
21:48.20 | acerspyro | ouch |
21:49.07 | agliodbs | I've already remapped it, but it's going to take my fingers a while to remember |
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21:58.19 | xanax` | hi |
21:58.26 | xanax` | is Oxygen (icon theme) still under development ? |
21:59.53 | acerspyro | Depends |
22:00.09 | acerspyro | It's complete, but it will always change |
22:00.28 | Dattorz | Efforts are focused on Breeze now |
22:00.37 | acerspyro | Dattorz: link |
22:00.56 | acerspyro | I never heard of breeze |
22:01.03 | Dattorz | Breeze is the Plasma 5 style |
22:01.14 | acerspyro | I figured |
22:02.01 | Dattorz | Here is the design team blog http://wheeldesign.blogspot.com/ |
22:02.13 | acerspyro | Dattorz: is plasma 5 fully usable for gaming? |
22:02.26 | Dattorz | I'm using it as a daily driver |
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22:02.39 | Dattorz | It feels a lot like KDE4, though slightly rougher around the edges right now |
22:03.32 | acerspyro | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/05/mockup_1.png |
22:03.38 | acerspyro | Is this in? |
22:04.17 | Dattorz | It looks like it's just a mockup |
22:04.32 | acerspyro | This is some never-seen in Linux |
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22:04.49 | Dattorz | Breeze has working windeco/widget/icon theme |
22:04.56 | Dattorz | The icons are incomplete right now though |
22:05.08 | acerspyro | Should I install it? |
22:05.30 | Dattorz | If you wanna be on the cutting edge, go ahead |
22:05.33 | acerspyro | (plasma 5) |
22:05.41 | acerspyro | I love being on the bleeding edge |
22:05.46 | Dattorz | There is a new release (5.2) coming out this month |
22:05.50 | acerspyro | https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_Plasma_5 |
22:06.07 | Dattorz | Oh yeah |
22:06.14 | Dattorz | Legacy systray icons no longer show |
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22:06.25 | acerspyro | Hm |
22:06.28 | Dattorz | You can use a lightweight systray app as a workaround |
22:06.32 | acerspyro | (Do I use apps that use systray) |
22:06.41 | acerspyro | (Hm. Except from KDE apps, no) |
22:06.52 | Dattorz | The KDE apps already use the new system |
22:06.56 | acerspyro | k |
22:06.59 | Dattorz | So those will display fine |
22:07.05 | Dattorz | It will be an issue if you use Skype or Dropbox |
22:07.29 | acerspyro | I do not |
22:07.38 | acerspyro | Skype will never work again on KDE 5 |
22:07.58 | acerspyro | And this is simply hilarious to know about. |
22:08.56 | Dattorz | ? My understanding is it just needs a workaround |
22:09.04 | Dattorz | I'm not a Skype user though |
22:09.08 | acerspyro | Me either |
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22:09.24 | acerspyro | And I don't like Skype |
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22:09.53 | acerspyro | I use hangouts |
22:10.08 | Dattorz | https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5 |
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22:13.09 | acerspyro | brb, rebooting |
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22:38.09 | acerspyro | Ok I lost my network applet, I managed to crash Plasma and it won't let me use the overall Breeze theme instead of the openSUSE theme |
22:38.45 | acerspyro | In System Settings, the sections tooltip still flickers when they disappear. |
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22:43.06 | acerspyro | Dattorz: "Frameworks Version 5.4.0" |
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22:43.33 | Dattorz | The tooltip thing... has always been an issue with the Blur effect |
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22:44.11 | Dattorz | plasma-desktop is renamed to plasmashell, kwin is now kwin_x11 |
22:44.56 | acerspyro | I noticed :P |
22:45.18 | acerspyro | Plasma is no harder to crash than it was in KDE4 |
22:45.26 | Yatekii | guys does anyone know be::shell? |
22:45.34 | Dattorz | Plasma 5.1 actually defaults to the oxygen windeco for technical reasons |
22:45.45 | acerspyro | like? |
22:45.58 | Yatekii | and can anyone possibly explain to me how to manually install a kde4 theme instead of the systemsettings menu? |
22:46.13 | acerspyro | Yatekii: have you tried Google? |
22:46.16 | acerspyro | We're not a bookstore. |
22:47.04 | acerspyro | Dattorz: And where's the network applet? |
22:47.29 | Dattorz | Here's the article http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/07/why-breeze-is-not-the-default-window-decoration/ |
22:48.38 | Dattorz | acerspyro: I think the new NetworkManager applet ships separately |
22:48.47 | Dattorz | So you'll need to install that |
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23:01.00 | acerspyro | thinks about people using KDE3 |
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23:05.03 | acerspyro | crashed system settings |
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23:06.47 | acerspyro | lol in the effects section, try to open any effect's settings dialog |
23:08.04 | jaggzt | dolphin doesn't show me a .. entry and doesn't have a Parent directory button? |
23:08.34 | jaggzt | oh, I guess the things on the left suffice.. what an inconsistent hing |
23:08.35 | jaggzt | thing |
23:08.44 | acerspyro | What do you mean? |
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23:08.56 | Dattorz | jaggzt: You can click on the breadcrumb navigation bar to jump up to a specific folder |
23:08.56 | acerspyro | The arrow pointing up is the parent directory button |
23:09.15 | jaggzt | chromium popped up dolphin in my split screen default setup.. one side in Downloads, |
23:09.19 | jaggzt | the other side has a greyed out back arrow |
23:09.28 | Dattorz | If the location bar is currently in edit mode, click the checkmark |
23:09.44 | acerspyro | the back arrow goes back in history, it's not the parent button |
23:09.54 | jaggzt | so I have to instead use the home button on the left to go "up", or "root" button to go up 3 times.. |
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23:10.04 | Dattorz | You can click on the different folders in the location bar to travel up |
23:10.07 | acerspyro | wait |
23:10.15 | jaggzt | ahh, trying that, Dattorz |
23:10.22 | Dattorz | Failing that you can edit the toolbar to add Up |
23:10.25 | acerspyro | jaggzt: Is that the file explorer, or is that a dialog Chromium popped you? |
23:10.27 | jaggzt | oh, no I leave it in edit mode |
23:10.38 | jaggzt | acerspyro, explo |
23:10.52 | jaggzt | need a "parent" button! |
23:11.05 | Dattorz | Right-click toolbar, select Configure Toolbars |
23:11.13 | Dattorz | Drag Up from the left pane to the right |
23:11.39 | acerspyro | Dattorz: all KDE apps are still using the KDE4 base? |
23:11.58 | Dattorz | Yes, apps are currently still being ported to Frameworks 5 |
23:12.03 | acerspyro | ok |
23:12.17 | Dattorz | The latest apps release (14.12) has some select apps ported to Frameworks 5 but the rest are still 4 |
23:12.18 | jaggzt | Dattorz, awesome! thanks |
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23:17.23 | Dattorz | acerspyro: How old are the packages you are using? I recall when I switched to Plasma 5.1 there were a lot of crashing issues and some last-minute updates fixed some of them |
23:18.18 | Dattorz | Latest Plasma 5 is 5.1.2, latest Frameworks is 5.5 |
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23:19.38 | acerspyro | Dattorz: OpenSUSE 13.2 packages |
23:19.53 | acerspyro | I have framework 5.4 |
23:20.59 | Dattorz | IIRC there was also a crashing issue in Qt 5 that was fixed for 5.4 |
23:21.36 | acerspyro | OpenSUSE Tumbleweed should be bleeding-edge |
23:22.27 | Dattorz | I'm not familiar with OpenSUSE |
23:22.39 | Dattorz | Is there a repo where you can get the latest stable Plasma 5 packages? |
23:22.56 | acerspyro | yes |
23:22.58 | acerspyro | Tumbleweed |
23:23.52 | valorie | https://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Binary_Packages for the overview, Dattorz |
23:27.56 | Dattorz | Hmm, according to this page http://software.opensuse.org/search Frameworks 5.4 and Plasma 5.1.1 are the latest available in Tumbleweed |
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23:28.30 | Dattorz | Additionally Qt 5 appears to be 5.3 |
23:28.54 | acerspyro | Dattorz: I am on 13.2 and I have 5.4 |
23:29.18 | Dattorz | Qt or Frameworks is 5.4? |
23:29.46 | acerspyro | Frameworks Version 5.4.0 |
23:30.27 | Dattorz | Qt 5.4 fixes a particular crash |
23:30.56 | acerspyro | Might not be that one crash |
23:31.00 | acerspyro | But another |
23:32.13 | acerspyro | Dattorz: Did you check in "unstable packages"? |
23:33.12 | Dattorz | Ah, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed has Qt 5.4 |
23:34.12 | Dattorz | Ah |
23:34.17 | Dattorz | Tumbleweed does have the latest versions |
23:34.32 | Dattorz | Seems you're on the 13.2 versions of the packages? |
23:34.36 | acerspyro | yes |
23:34.47 | acerspyro | I am upgrading to tumbleweed right now |
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