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02:55.18darwinI installed WINE, then had to uninstall it, but the WINE menu did not appear back in my KDE menus
02:55.20darwinhow do I get it back?
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18:21.26*** topic/#kde is KDE SC 4.14 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4
18:21.35philmacyou know
18:21.36cybermailsanybody?
18:21.57philmacthe problem was my key was named: github_rsa
18:22.26philmacI now renamed it to id_rsa and now it worked
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18:23.51YatekiiHi guys
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18:23.58Yatekiihappy new year!
18:24.10philmacsame to you :)
18:26.44rdieterphilmac: ssh-add <file> , takes an optional argument to add more than the default one too
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18:29.28philmacyeah I guess I have to add to my autostart script ssh-add file1 ssh-add file2 and so forth
18:32.37philmacyep that did the trick
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18:59.50cybermailsIs there a system wide smooth scrolling setting for KDE?
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19:18.22dk0rnew windows10 desktop borrows nicely from KDE
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20:51.19Yatekiiguys is there any shortcut to launch apps
20:51.23Yatekiilike spotlight on mac
20:51.28Yatekiior apps like butler etc
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20:53.56DattorzYatekii: Yes, press Alt + F2
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20:54.24Yatekiik, ty!
20:54.32Yatekiidat command sucks balls but I can change that I guess :)
20:54.33Yatekiity!
20:54.44acerspyrota
20:54.53acerspyroYatekii: It's standard on Linux, iirc
20:54.57DattorzYou can change it through Global Keyboard Shortcuts
20:55.02acerspyro(GNOME / KDE)
20:55.39Yatekiiwell doesn't change the fact it's very bad to reach :)
20:55.41DattorzThe shortcut is listed under Command Runner Interface or krunner
20:56.08DattorzErr, Run Command Interface
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20:56.21acerspyroYatekii: Are you doing it with two hands, perhaps? :P
20:56.38DattorzI have mine set to Meta + Alt + Space
20:56.51YatekiiMeta = Mod 4?
20:57.06DattorzMeta is the "Windowskey"
20:57.12Yatekiiacerspyro: yeah becasue 1 hand is even worse
20:57.12acerspyrometa = key that is wrongly bound to super
20:57.25acerspyroYatekii: Depends, I do all my shortcuts with one hand
20:57.36acerspyroThumb on the alt, middle finger on F2
20:57.37YatekiiI don't understand as well how you can use ctrl instead of mod4/apple-key/windows-key
20:57.42acerspyro(acer laptop)
20:57.53Yatekiiacerspyro: yeah, very hard to reach :)
20:58.01Yatekiipretty bad imo
20:58.03acerspyroYatekii: I guess you have small hands :P
20:58.05DattorzAlt + F2 is pretty bad
20:58.11YatekiiI don't have small hands ;)
20:58.16DattorzI think Plasma 5 changes the default shortcut
20:58.21Yatekiibut I do not have tennis rackets as well
20:58.27acerspyrodoes
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20:58.40YatekiiDattorz: this Mod4 :)
20:58.50Yatekiican I somehow make it that the metakey is used instead of ctrl?
20:59.08acerspyroI could literally do Alt + Power button with one hand, look at acer aspire laptops.
20:59.19Yatekiidunno, I dont like acer
20:59.22Yatekiidont klnow their layout
20:59.27DattorzYou kinda have to angle your hand weirdly
20:59.54DattorzYatekii: Shortcuts are configured by pressing a key combination
21:00.06DattorzIf you want to change key mappings, the KDE keyboard settings has some options
21:00.14acerspyroYatekii: Everyone dislikes acer, but noone knows why :P
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21:01.42Yatekii^
21:01.45Yatekii^^
21:02.06Yatekiiquestion: I do not find that menu in the settings to change that shortcut :S
21:02.28acerspyroShortcuts and gestures
21:02.41acerspyroYou're in System settings?
21:02.50DattorzYou can type Global into KRunner and it should pop up
21:02.50Yatekiiahhh sorry I just saw the amarok ones
21:02.52acerspyro(Why the hell is it called Configure Desktop on OpenSUSE?)
21:02.57Yatekiibut I can change the app I am browsing
21:03.00Yatekiididn't see that sorry
21:03.11DattorzIf KRunner gives you too much stuff you can turn off individual plugins
21:03.17DattorzClick the wrench icon
21:03.57Yatekiiwow TY SO MUCH GUYS
21:03.57Yatekiigot my goo ol meta space back
21:03.59YatekiiEPIC
21:04.05Yatekiiwow dis day is a great day
21:04.09Yatekiifirst I finally made audio work
21:04.11Yatekiinow this
21:04.31Yatekiiany nice to know things every kde beginner should know?
21:05.02Yatekiibtw, is it easy to create an own theme? like not in terms of work amount, but rather how much I need to know about
21:05.14acerspyroYatekii: Not much
21:05.19acerspyroConfig files, SVGs...
21:05.31acerspyroCould, or could not be, self-explanatory.
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21:06.37acerspyrooh, ic why people don't like Acer products
21:06.42Yatekiiok ty :)
21:06.45acerspyroBad customer support
21:06.52Yatekiiis there any place I can change all the default apps
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21:07.08Yatekiilike default browser?
21:07.10acerspyroWho the hell needs customer support anyways, unless you're some kind of retarded basket case?
21:07.31acerspyroYatekii: system settings
21:07.37Yatekiiwell customer support is ok when you have shitty docs becasue the company is shit
21:07.40acerspyroAll settings are in there
21:07.53acerspyroYatekii: It's not
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21:08.14acerspyroCustomer support just isn't good.
21:08.43DattorzI would strongly recommend that you go into Default Applications, go to Web Browser, and disable "open in an application based on the contents of the URL"
21:08.47DattorzIt gave me so many problems
21:09.00DattorzJust tick the second option and give it your preferred web browser instead
21:09.02acerspyroThey make cheaper laptops for the same quality, so they probably cut in the customer support.
21:09.56acerspyrohttps://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111123015752AAXs7iH
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21:10.03acerspyrohttps://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060624185221AAvvUyH
21:10.08acerspyrohttp://www.tomsguide.com/forum/64443-35-acer-negative-reputation
21:10.37Yatekiiomg there is an extra menupoint and I was to retard to search for it ... couldnt find manually
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21:12.11Yatekiiany recommendations on file manager?
21:12.21acerspyroWhat do you mean
21:12.43DattorzDolphin is probably my favorite file manager ever
21:12.48DattorzNot probably
21:12.51DattorzIt _is_, heh
21:13.02Yatekiiok :)
21:13.03Yatekiity
21:13.07DattorzYou can set it to a different one though
21:13.13acerspyroWell, there's no reason not to use dolphin, since it's what's by default on KDE, and it's fully featured.
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21:13.43Yatekiiyeah ok :)
21:14.09Yatekiithere is just many options on file managers so yeah i didnt know :)
21:14.24Yatekiihmm different question: any nice themes or different must have apps?
21:14.51acerspyroYatekii: just look thru the themes, in the themes section of the system settings
21:15.45acerspyro(Workspace appearance / Applications appearance)
21:16.06acerspyroYatekii: Have you visited all the sections in System Settings?
21:16.52DattorzIf you want passive desktop notifications you can try Colibri
21:18.22Yatekiiacerspyro: yeah I know there is millions :) I have an ok one but I thought maybe you know one specific ;)
21:18.39Yatekiibecause there is too many to browse them all I guess :)
21:18.49acerspyroYatekii: I use the opensuse theme.
21:19.05acerspyroYatekii: Do you know about Alt + Shift + F12?
21:19.08DattorzOh geez System Settings 4
21:19.14DattorzI'm so used to Plasma 5's System Settings
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21:19.42Yatekiiacerspyro: I dont know what it does but actually I am pretty sure I used it once ...
21:19.48Yatekiiah on win I can record stuff with my nvidia
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21:20.10acerspyroDisables desktop effects, if you're running a video game or something in windowed more
21:20.11acerspyromode*
21:20.30Yatekiiahhh colibri is like growl
21:20.51YatekiiI am using quassel atm and every time I get highlighted such a stupid window pops in the weirdst location :D
21:21.17Yatekiidesktop effects are what exactly? animations or just notifictaions or?
21:21.29DattorzYou can configure notifications for KDE apps under Settings -> Configure Notifications
21:21.34Yatekiiyeh
21:21.36Yatekiity :)
21:21.46DattorzAnd you can disable pop-up notifications for certain events
21:22.59DattorzDesktop effects as in compositing
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21:25.18DattorzKWin is KDE's Compiz except it also has a non-compositing mode
21:25.52Yatekiity so much guys :)
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21:28.13agliodbshey, for Kate editor, I'm getting the error "the shortcut ctrl-shift-p is ambigious".  however, when I look in the configure shortcuts, I see only one.  where could the other shortcut be?
21:30.10acerspyroagliodbs: in another app?
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21:30.25agliodbsacerspyro: rigth.  HTF do I find it?
21:30.33agliodbsthere's no universal shortcut search that I know of
21:30.46agliodbsor can I just tell kate to override any external shortcuts?
21:30.53Yatekiisorry I still have a question: I installed a precompiled application manually (Telegram.org) how can I add it so the launcher finds it? :S
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21:31.56acerspyroagliodbs: in the system settings
21:31.58acerspyro?
21:32.36agliodbsacerspyro: yeah, I looked under Keyboard.  it's not a desktop shortcut, or at least not a configurable one
21:32.52acerspyroPressing that didn't do anything here
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21:35.59agliodbsacerspyro: actually, it seems to conflict only when my cursor is in the terminal window
21:36.18agliodbsso apparently konsole added a new shortcut for ctrl+shift+p sometime recently
21:36.34acerspyrolol
21:36.52acerspyroThis is a dumb bug, since it has nothing to do with Konsole
21:36.57acerspyroThey would never collide anyways
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21:37.27agliodbsacerspyro: well, running on ubuntu 12.04 this wasn't an issue
21:37.35agliodbsI just upgraded to 14.04, and now it's a conflict
21:37.56acerspyroputs elbow on the table with palm wide open
21:38.00acerspyroPREPARE FOR TAKE OFF
21:38.13acerspyroapplies the hand to his face in a swift movement.
21:38.20agliodbsso I'm trying to figure out what it's a conflict *with*
21:38.27acerspyroWith Ubuntu
21:38.29acerspyroUrgh
21:38.31acerspyroshivers
21:38.36agliodbsor a way I can tell kate to ignore the conflict
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21:39.07acerspyroWhat the fuck are they thinking sometimes. Each new version fixes 15% of bugs, and adds 400% more.
21:40.32agliodbsacerspyro: that's the problem with desktop OSes
21:40.34Yatekiiguys how do I properly list applications in the launcher? :S
21:40.44acerspyroagliodbs: I don't have problems with SuSE
21:40.49agliodbs90% of new bugs were added by someone who thougth they were making things easier for users
21:40.50Yatekiiin the system settings there is no such option I feel
21:40.57agliodbsacerspyro: poor support for my HW
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21:41.08acerspyroagliodbs: what's your hw?
21:41.14agliodbsacerspyro: ASUS zenbook
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21:41.23acerspyroWhat doesn't it support?
21:41.32agliodbsacerspyro: wireless, for one, last I tried
21:41.47agliodbsalso multi-monitor
21:41.54acerspyroWeird
21:41.57agliodbsthat was a couple years ago
21:42.01acerspyroAlways worked fine here
21:42.05acerspyrooh
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21:42.27acerspyroagliodbs: couple of years ago, OpenSUSE probably had bad support
21:42.42acerspyroI only saw OpenSUSE about a year ago and now.
21:43.05agliodbsacerspyro: yeah, sometime I'm not crushingly busy I need to give it a spin again
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21:43.19agliodbsI was a SuSE guy before the meltdown for SuSE USA and KDE4
21:45.20agliodbsacerspyro: a, "print to file"
21:45.26agliodbsacerspyro: WTF is that defined?
21:46.12acerspyroagliodbs: in konsole?
21:46.23agliodbswell, I think it applies to all terminals on Ubuntu
21:46.25agliodbslemme check
21:46.41agliodbshmmm, no
21:46.46agliodbsjust to konsole
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21:47.06agliodbstried an xterm, and ctrl-shift-p is "previous command"
21:47.34acerspyroYep, here too, Shift + Ctrl + P is print
21:47.41acerspyroBut it doesn't collide
21:47.51acerspyroOpenSUSE 13.2 btw. What version have you tried?
21:48.07agliodbsacerspyro: it collides with my mapping for "pipe to terminal"
21:48.14agliodbsacerspyro: last one I tried was 10
21:48.20acerspyroouch
21:49.07agliodbsI've already remapped it, but it's going to take my fingers a while to remember
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21:58.19xanax`hi
21:58.26xanax`is Oxygen (icon theme) still under development ?
21:59.53acerspyroDepends
22:00.09acerspyroIt's complete, but it will always change
22:00.28DattorzEfforts are focused on Breeze now
22:00.37acerspyroDattorz: link
22:00.56acerspyroI never heard of breeze
22:01.03DattorzBreeze is the Plasma 5 style
22:01.14acerspyroI figured
22:02.01DattorzHere is the design team blog http://wheeldesign.blogspot.com/
22:02.13acerspyroDattorz: is plasma 5 fully usable for gaming?
22:02.26DattorzI'm using it as a daily driver
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22:02.39DattorzIt feels a lot like KDE4, though slightly rougher around the edges right now
22:03.32acerspyrohttp://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/05/mockup_1.png
22:03.38acerspyroIs this in?
22:04.17DattorzIt looks like it's just a mockup
22:04.32acerspyroThis is some never-seen in Linux
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22:04.49DattorzBreeze has working windeco/widget/icon theme
22:04.56DattorzThe icons are incomplete right now though
22:05.08acerspyroShould I install it?
22:05.30DattorzIf you wanna be on the cutting edge, go ahead
22:05.33acerspyro(plasma 5)
22:05.41acerspyroI love being on the bleeding edge
22:05.46DattorzThere is a new release (5.2) coming out this month
22:05.50acerspyrohttps://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_Plasma_5
22:06.07DattorzOh yeah
22:06.14DattorzLegacy systray icons no longer show
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22:06.25acerspyroHm
22:06.28DattorzYou can use a lightweight systray app as a workaround
22:06.32acerspyro(Do I use apps that use systray)
22:06.41acerspyro(Hm. Except from KDE apps, no)
22:06.52DattorzThe KDE apps already use the new system
22:06.56acerspyrok
22:06.59DattorzSo those will display fine
22:07.05DattorzIt will be an issue if you use Skype or Dropbox
22:07.29acerspyroI do not
22:07.38acerspyroSkype will never work again on KDE 5
22:07.58acerspyroAnd this is simply hilarious to know about.
22:08.56Dattorz? My understanding is it just needs a workaround
22:09.04DattorzI'm not a Skype user though
22:09.08acerspyroMe either
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22:09.24acerspyroAnd I don't like Skype
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22:09.53acerspyroI use hangouts
22:10.08Dattorzhttps://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5
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22:13.09acerspyrobrb, rebooting
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22:38.09acerspyroOk I lost my network applet, I managed to crash Plasma and it won't let me use the overall Breeze theme instead of the openSUSE theme
22:38.45acerspyroIn System Settings, the sections tooltip still flickers when they disappear.
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22:43.06acerspyroDattorz: "Frameworks Version 5.4.0"
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22:43.33DattorzThe tooltip thing... has always been an issue with the Blur effect
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22:44.11Dattorzplasma-desktop is renamed to plasmashell, kwin is now kwin_x11
22:44.56acerspyroI noticed :P
22:45.18acerspyroPlasma is no harder to crash than it was in KDE4
22:45.26Yatekiiguys does anyone know be::shell?
22:45.34DattorzPlasma 5.1 actually defaults to the oxygen windeco for technical reasons
22:45.45acerspyrolike?
22:45.58Yatekiiand can anyone possibly explain to me how to manually install a kde4 theme instead of the systemsettings menu?
22:46.13acerspyroYatekii: have you tried Google?
22:46.16acerspyroWe're not a bookstore.
22:47.04acerspyroDattorz: And where's the network applet?
22:47.29DattorzHere's the article http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/07/why-breeze-is-not-the-default-window-decoration/
22:48.38Dattorzacerspyro: I think the new NetworkManager applet ships separately
22:48.47DattorzSo you'll need to install that
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23:01.00acerspyrothinks about people using KDE3
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23:05.03acerspyrocrashed system settings
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23:06.47acerspyrolol in the effects section, try to open any effect's settings dialog
23:08.04jaggztdolphin doesn't show me a .. entry and doesn't have a Parent directory button?
23:08.34jaggztoh, I guess the things on the left suffice.. what an inconsistent hing
23:08.35jaggztthing
23:08.44acerspyroWhat do you mean?
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23:08.56Dattorzjaggzt: You can click on the breadcrumb navigation bar to jump up to a specific folder
23:08.56acerspyroThe arrow pointing up is the parent directory button
23:09.15jaggztchromium popped up dolphin in my split screen default setup.. one side in Downloads,
23:09.19jaggztthe other side has a greyed out back arrow
23:09.28DattorzIf the location bar is currently in edit mode, click the checkmark
23:09.44acerspyrothe back arrow goes back in history, it's not the parent button
23:09.54jaggztso I have to instead use the home button on the left to go "up", or "root" button to go up 3 times..
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23:10.04DattorzYou can click on the different folders in the location bar to travel up
23:10.07acerspyrowait
23:10.15jaggztahh, trying that, Dattorz
23:10.22DattorzFailing that you can edit the toolbar to add Up
23:10.25acerspyrojaggzt: Is that the file explorer, or is that a dialog Chromium popped you?
23:10.27jaggztoh, no I leave it in edit mode
23:10.38jaggztacerspyro, explo
23:10.52jaggztneed a "parent" button!
23:11.05DattorzRight-click toolbar, select Configure Toolbars
23:11.13DattorzDrag Up from the left pane to the right
23:11.39acerspyroDattorz: all KDE apps are still using the KDE4 base?
23:11.58DattorzYes, apps are currently still being ported to Frameworks 5
23:12.03acerspyrook
23:12.17DattorzThe latest apps release (14.12) has some select apps ported to Frameworks 5 but the rest are still 4
23:12.18jaggztDattorz, awesome!  thanks
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23:17.23Dattorzacerspyro: How old are the packages you are using? I recall when I switched to Plasma 5.1 there were a lot of crashing issues and some last-minute updates fixed some of them
23:18.18DattorzLatest Plasma 5 is 5.1.2, latest Frameworks is 5.5
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23:19.38acerspyroDattorz: OpenSUSE 13.2 packages
23:19.53acerspyroI have framework 5.4
23:20.59DattorzIIRC there was also a crashing issue in Qt 5 that was fixed for 5.4
23:21.36acerspyroOpenSUSE Tumbleweed should be bleeding-edge
23:22.27DattorzI'm not familiar with OpenSUSE
23:22.39DattorzIs there a repo where you can get the latest stable Plasma 5 packages?
23:22.56acerspyroyes
23:22.58acerspyroTumbleweed
23:23.52valoriehttps://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Binary_Packages for the overview, Dattorz
23:27.56DattorzHmm, according to this page http://software.opensuse.org/search Frameworks 5.4 and Plasma 5.1.1 are the latest available in Tumbleweed
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23:28.30DattorzAdditionally Qt 5 appears to be 5.3
23:28.54acerspyroDattorz: I am on 13.2 and I have 5.4
23:29.18DattorzQt or Frameworks is 5.4?
23:29.46acerspyroFrameworks Version 5.4.0
23:30.27DattorzQt 5.4 fixes a particular crash
23:30.56acerspyroMight not be that one crash
23:31.00acerspyroBut another
23:32.13acerspyroDattorz: Did you check in "unstable packages"?
23:33.12DattorzAh, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed has Qt 5.4
23:34.12DattorzAh
23:34.17DattorzTumbleweed does have the latest versions
23:34.32DattorzSeems you're on the 13.2 versions of the packages?
23:34.36acerspyroyes
23:34.47acerspyroI am upgrading to tumbleweed right now
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