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00:17.00ScuniziI'm trying to get my external bluetooth touchpad working correctly. Currently "Touchpad Settings" says "Synaptics driver is not installed or is not used" and won't let me do any adjustments.  xserver-xorg-input-synaptics-lt 1.8.1-lubuntu1~bla bla is installed. Any ideas how to get the adjustments working?
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01:20.01lainliveskrunner is automatically pasting text from mouse highlighted text when opening
01:20.05lainlivesis this supposed to be like this
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06:21.10sudo_woodoI'm buying an ThinkPad X1 Carbon and I wondered if it would be a good idea to install Active Plasma to take advantage of the touch screen. Am I right?
06:24.53Jucatosudo_woodo: sadly, the last stable Plasma Active release was a long long time ago. can't really recommend it at this point. it's being worked on, but it will most likely take a different form when it's ready
06:25.11Jucatogets a pokeball in the meantime ...
06:26.04lainliveskrunner is automatically pasting text from mouse highlighted text when opening
06:26.05lainlivesis this supposed to be like this
06:27.10sudo_woodoJucato: I see. So, any recommendation to work with KDE on touchscreens?
06:27.11Jucatolainlives: i don't think so. never seen it do that
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06:28.09Jucatosudo_woodo: not exactly. i just use things as it is. for a virtual keyboard, you can use kvkbd and set it to autostart when you log in (it will keep a system tray icon you can use to make it show up)
06:28.13lainlivesill get a hold of the guy who compiled the packages then
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06:29.45Jucatosudo_woodo: anyway, even if you had a touch-friendly Plasma shell, you'd still have to deal with regular desktop apps that weren't designed with touch in mind. Plasma Active's selection even then was quite few and far in between anyway
06:30.26lainlivesi think current desktop apps work fine as a touchscreen interface
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06:30.53sudo_woodoJucato: so the problem is KDE-based apps, Qt-based apps or other apps?
06:31.13sudo_woodoor finally non-plasmaActive apps?
06:32.17Jucatolainlives: they work fine, sure. just not optimized. and there are some corner cases. particularly when the widgets/controls are too small to hit
06:32.33Jucatosudo_woodo: mostly all of the above :)
06:32.50sudo_woodoJucato: I see.
06:32.51Jucatoit's a mixed bag. everything is almost usable depending on your tolerance level
06:33.11lainlivesJucato: yea i just hope optimzing for teh sake of touch doesnt end up mutilating some UIs in the near future (not just KDE project, just software as a whole)
06:33.26Jucatoi can use KDE without a keybaoard/mouse and using only a virtual keyboard and a stylus if it comes down to it
06:33.40sudo_woodoJucato: do you knwo if eventually KDE will turn in a kind-of 'responsive' environment according to the screen?
06:34.13sudo_woodo(comparison would sound weird) like Bootstrap makes on the web?
06:34.26Jucatosudo_woodo: "eventually". but yes, people are already working on that i think. forgot the term for it. resolution-independent or whatever
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06:35.19Jucatolainlives: sadly, i (personally) think people have become too scared of that "threat" that they don't seem to actually want to work on those things. linux will probably catch up on touch stuff by 2020.
06:35.26Jucato(yeah, exaggeration and sarcasm)
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06:37.11lainliveswell thankfully i hate touchscreens
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06:37.44sudo_woodobut I live Thinkpads XD
06:37.47sudo_woodo*love
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07:02.30sudo_woodoJucato, thanks for your expertise. cya
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07:13.38MoHi, I can't setup KDE icon size, list box is empty. What is missing here?
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07:50.58VergeApparently Dolphin bookmarks don't still work
07:51.27VergeIt simply forgets everything after restarting Dolphin
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07:51.53CounterPillowVerge, it's an issue with KF5 and kde4 apps I beloeve
07:53.17CounterPillowI think it's fixed upstream though I'm not sure. At any rate, it'll be resolved once all apps transition to kf5
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07:55.02Jucatoit should have been fixed in Plasma 5.2.1
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08:04.54CounterPillowHas anyone else had the issue where quick tiling in plasma 5 sometimes leaves a small border at the edge?
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08:06.53CounterPillowI'll be sure to check bugs.kde.org when I get home and if I find nothing report it properly there.
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08:10.14CounterPillowMight be this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344234
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09:45.20DrZaiusanybody here that uses korganizer? after you make a todo entry with another todo entry, is it possible to make up one level?
09:45.42DrZaiusi accidentaly dragged and dropped a whole category inside another one
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09:45.57leszekdragging it out again doesn't work ?
09:46.12DrZaiusim trying to drag it out, but i cant find the swet spot where this works
09:46.12leszekand what about ctrl+z (undo) isn't that available ?
09:46.58DrZaiusctrl + z works... unfourtenetly i already closed and reopened u.u
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09:47.15DrZaiusso i lost the undo possibility
09:47.27leszekhmm... then I don't know how to do this otherwise
09:47.51DrZaiusyeah, i was afraid of that :S
09:48.24DrZaiusthe drag and drop should totally work... but it only seems to be working to move between sub-do categories
09:48.37DrZaiusi cant find the sweet spot where you drop it out
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09:49.06DrZaiusmmm maybe editing the files?
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09:49.25DrZaiusis there a file associated with the todo?
09:50.06DrZaiusi was interested on this to be able to do a backup as well
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09:54.06DrZaiusnone of this files seems to have the actual data :S locate korganizer |grep home
09:54.29DrZaiusmaybe is it saved on some database?
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10:17.39DrZaiusnone of the files it reads seems to have this database :(
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10:17.42DrZaiushttp://paste.ubuntu.com/10683085/
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10:18.58DrZaiusit checks the existence of kdeglobals file 358 times o.O
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10:22.18Jucatoyou could try asking in #kdepim in case someone there knows
10:22.49DrZaiusthanks Jucato!
10:24.07DrZaiusnobody in there :S
10:24.35Jucatooops sorry. my bad. #kontact
10:24.46Jucatomy apologies. kinda busy and typed too quick
10:24.51DrZaiusthanks!
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10:59.54_rdHi, after reboot the taskbar and wallpapers are gone in my account. The issue seems to be related to my account, since it works as expected on a new account.
11:00.13BluesKaj'Morning all
11:00.24_rdIs there anything I can do except renaming the .kde directory?
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11:03.56DrZaius_rd: i dont know much about... but you just described the most straight forward way to do it
11:04.08DrZaiusabout kde*
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11:05.42_rdThe downside is that I need to do quite a lot of customization again.
11:06.24_rdDoes anybody know the name of the appliation which should provide a taskbar? and walletpaper?
11:06.41_rdIf yes I could at least check .xsession-errors for that
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11:10.34lainlives_rd: hmm try deleting relevent files in .kde/share/apps/plasma*
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12:21.21styx__hi! im using arch linux and in the right click menu are the icons missing when i'm in i3. when im in kde, it's fine. what could be missing in i3?
12:22.58d__edXDG_DATA_DIRS not being set?
12:23.24styx__d__ed: Not, it's not set in i3
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12:35.06_rdI fixed my problem that the plasma taskbar was not appearing. I iteratively removed files and finally removing "rm  ~/.kde/share/config/plasm*" made KDE starting properly again.
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13:17.17cousin_luigiGreetings.
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13:17.29cousin_luigiAnyone using bd-re and k3b? I can't seem to blank the media.
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13:44.23s4ndm4nWhy the window title bars are transparent in QtCurve? like this: https://i.imgur.com/LZUCC7L.jpg
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14:14.29Mahes4ndm4n: it might be related to the QtCurve theme you are using
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14:22.51s4ndm4nMahe: I am missing some buttons if you look carefully on that image. Plus doesn't QtCurve entry look distorted to you?
14:23.47s4ndm4nWhat I did last time: Installed Yawc and libkactivities-dev and removed both
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14:29.12Vamp898Hi, we have one client with the following problem. We add Network-Folders (SMB) to the "Places" in Dolphin. When i close Dolphin and re-open it, they are no longer away
14:30.11Vamp898We did the same thing on 4 clients before and it always worked... no clue what goes wrong on this one
14:31.41Vamp898*they are no longer there
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14:36.33Vamp898Where do changes to the "Places" in Dolphin gets saved?
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14:38.55leszekVamp898: ~/.local/share/user-places.xbel
14:39.32leszekVamp898: I only know of a plasma 5 and kde sc 4 conflict. But your problem is kde sc 4 only ?
14:40.29Vamp898KDE SC 4 only
14:40.39Vamp898the file user-places.xbel doesnt exist on this client and doesnt get created
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14:42.09leszekVamp898: what version exactly is it then ? Because I have 4.14.3 running here which creates this file
14:42.35Vamp898leszek: 4.14.3
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14:42.52Vamp898leszek: All clients run 4.14.3 and it does work on all clients, just not on this one, but they are all identical...
14:43.34leszekthats strange then. Anything useful in the error log in ~/.xsession-errors ? Like no right to write to that file or such ?
14:45.07Vamp898leszek: the only error related to this in the xsession-errors is dolphin(5670) KSambaSharePrivate::findSmbConf: KSambaShare: Could not find smb.conf!
14:46.00leszekok thats a normal error
14:47.16leszekVamp898: are there files in ~/.kde/share/apps/kfileplaces/
14:48.13Vamp898leszek: there is also this one in the logs: plasma-desktop(4929) KBookmarkManager::notifyChanged: KBookmarkManager::notifyChanged (  "" )
14:49.15Vamp898leszek: there are some files in kfileplaces: bookmarks.xml  bookmarks.xml.bak  bookmarks.xml.tbcache
14:49.32leszekcan you check in bookmarks.xml if there is the bookmark you created
14:49.35leszekor the user
14:50.11Vamp898leszek: not there
14:50.21leszekok very strange
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14:52.38leszekVamp898: can you try creating an empty user-places.xbel in ~/.local/share
14:52.48leszekmaybe dolphin fills it up once the file is there
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14:54.11Vamp898leszek: already checked, dolphin does nothing when i create something in places. The files never get changed/written
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14:59.32leszekVamp898: and you are sure that all the rights of the folders are ok ?
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17:06.01ValdikSSHello! I use KDE4 on ArchLinux and some applications from KDE Frameworks on Qt5. I can't type Cyrillic acute symbols in, for example, Kate or Kwrite with Qt5. Latin characters works fine. Can anybody help me with this? Any tip how to debug?
17:07.11ValdikSSI have the following in my ~/.XCompose:
17:07.13ValdikSS<Multi_key> <Cyrillic_a>                : "а́"           # CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER A WITH COMBINING ACUTE ACCENT
17:07.46rdieterValdikSS: if you're using ibus input method, I think there's a Qt5 patch to fix that
17:07.48ValdikSSIf I type <Multi_key> <Cyrillic_a> in Kate, it just types usual "а" (cyrillic) without acute.
17:07.56ValdikSSrdieter: I don't.
17:08.06rdieterok, then it's some other problem
17:08.41ValdikSSDoes anyone know what Firefox uses? It doesn't work in firefox either. I'm pretty sure it doesn't use Qt5.
17:08.43rdieterhttps://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/109285/  the one I'm aware of
17:09.59ValdikSSrdieter: my other custom combinations from xcompose work, and even latin acutes work.
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18:41.12hmacedoanyone know how to get skype on systray again??
18:41.18hmacedoim using KDE5
18:41.57hmacedohes working, but i can see just the notifications (like, friends online/offline)
18:42.13rdieterhmacedo: install sni-qt , https://launchpad.net/sni-qt
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18:44.00hmacedoits installed v0.2.6-4
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18:44.45rdieterhmacedo: same plugin arch as is skype too? (in case this is a 64bit host system, you need 32bit sni-qt for 32bit skype)
18:45.54hmacedoi686?
18:47.10rdieteryes (probably)
18:47.55rdietermore details: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/
18:47.57hmacedoinstalled.. i need to reboot now or configure something?
18:48.14rdieterassuming you have modern qt5 build?  5.4 or patched 5.3
18:48.20rdieterthen it should work
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18:50.03hmacedoim using KDE5.7 downloaded yesterday
18:50.38rdieterthat's kde frameworks (not Qt version)
18:51.22hmacedowhere i can see the qt version? (sorry.. i'm new)
18:51.31rdieteranyway, like I said, it *should* work, may be worth asking your distro at this point (and maybe mention the aforementioned blog post too)
18:51.51rdieterif your distro still has unpatched 5.3, they really ought to fix that
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18:53.20rdieterhmacedo: what distro are you using?
18:53.47rdieter(in case anyone else here has distro-specific advice)
18:54.32hmacedoFedora 21
18:54.58rdieteroops, that's me :)
18:55.20rdieterI can vouche f21 has qt-5.4, and that it definitely works for me
18:55.42rdieterhmacedo: I can give you a non-skype example to try
18:56.10rdieterhmacedo: is this a x86_64 or i686 system?
18:56.19hmacedox86_64
18:56.40hmacedoits working now
18:56.53hmacedoi have killed the skype proccess and opened again
18:56.58rdieteroh  \o/
18:57.06hmacedoMany thanks! \o/
18:57.45hmacedobut.. the x86_64 softwares will get some problems to use the systray?
18:58.36hmacedoor its just an i686 "bug"
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21:44.13Case_Ofis it possible to add a vlc icon in the kde plasma5 systray ?
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22:03.40rdieterCase_Of: yes, vlc supports having a systray icon
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22:05.25rdieterCase_Of: see also http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/ , if your distro provides sni-qt + patched Qt libraries, it should 'just work'
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23:21.47DrZaiusis it possible to run 2 instances of yakuake?
23:22.05DrZaiusim trying with yakuake --nofork --config /seconf.file but is not working :S
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23:51.06SeyleriusI hear KDE's looking really good these days.
23:51.26SeyleriusI'm considering switching to that from Gnome3.
23:51.44SeyleriusMy major holdouts are Firefox, which is a GTK-only app iirc.
23:51.50SeyleriusAnyone have any tips on doing this?
23:52.18waltercoolSeylerius: what you want to do?
23:52.27waltercoolGnome -> KDE4?
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23:54.17Seyleriuswaltercool: KDE4, Plasma5, etc.
23:54.43waltercoolI think the difficulty depends from the user and the distribution, but is no hard
23:54.50SeyleriusAlso, how's KDE on vaguely apple-flavored (or more properly, inspired) docks at the bottom?
23:55.02waltercoolFor firefox, you can use GTK styles on KDE4 and looks good
23:55.14DrZaiusSeylerius: not sure if firefox is gtk, but even if if it were... what are a few more libs
23:55.16waltercoolYou will only be missing the file manager
23:55.25waltercoolDrZaius: is GTK
23:56.14DattorzI don't think Firefox even makes native use of the GTK theme... just samples images and settings and tries to fit them to its own toolkit
23:56.56waltercoolNope, is fully GTK, if you don't use the GTK Styles for QT, will look HORRIBLE
23:56.57DrZaiusi use apps from all toolkits... and i dont have the best computer around
23:57.17DrZaiusmy window decorators are from kde...
23:57.20DrZaiuson firefox
23:57.46DrZaiusnot sure what else uses from gtk
23:57.53waltercoolyeah, but you should have GTK styles on your KDE preferences
23:58.18waltercooloxygen-gtk does the work to make GTK looks like Oxygen
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23:59.07Dattorzwaltercool: I have seen tons of theming bugs in Firefox that wouldn't occur in any other app using the GTK theme
23:59.13DattorzI really don't think it uses GTK directly
23:59.45DrZaiuswell, im trying to convert from one gtk program to the qt version... tilda to yakuake... (im only doing it because transparency does not work on kde and i really need it)

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