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04:09.31austin6598is it possible to run system updates from a terminal?"
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04:20.15hololeapa17r: the legacy-systray flag on plasma-desktop fixed the tray issue, but i've got =sys-auth/consolekit-1.0.0 and x11-misc/sddm-0.11.0-r2 installed and i'm getting the same error
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04:24.11phobos_anomalyaustin6598: yes.
04:24.32austin6598phobos_anomaly> kubuntu helped me out but im getting this:
04:24.43austin6598https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/HfcXZqTS/
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04:26.36phobos_anomalyok, I'm not that familiar with apt-get/aptitude. I do know that if they were held back, it's because of conflicts. You can try working around it a bit installing the packages one by one with aptitude instead of apt-get
04:27.00phobos_anomalyotherwise, I wouldn't worry about it.
04:27.26austin6598i think i might need to reboot
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04:38.11hololeapdoes anyone know why i might be getting this error when i try to mount a usb drive with device notifier: "An unspecified error has occurred: Not authorized to perform operation"
04:38.30hololeapi am using openrc in gentoo (not systemd). my user is in the plugdev group.
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04:42.35austin6598hololeap>running as root?
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05:01.43hololeapaustin6598: no, i'm running as a normal user
05:02.24austin6598hololeap> does the hardware have any write protection switch on it ?
05:03.38austin6598what distro? what file manager?
05:03.43o11cphobos_anomaly: with aptitude you can interactively resolve by writing lines like 'r 1'
05:03.55Jucatohololeap: are you able to mount the drive normally in the command line? (like mount /dev/something without root)
05:04.42hololeapJucato: if i try to mount anything without using sudo, i get "mount: only root can do that"
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05:05.19Jucatohololeap: then if you're not able to do it as a regular user from the command line, there's no way you can do it in KDE as well
05:05.33hololeapi just want to add that i was able to mount through through the device manager with kde 4 which i just upgraded from
05:05.44Jucatothe solution might be somewhere lower in the stack though
05:05.56o11cJucato: er, no
05:06.12Jucatoo11c: ok
05:06.22o11cJucato: mounting via KDE uses Dbus magic, mount on the command-line does not
05:06.28o11cergo, KDE does more than the command-line
05:06.40o11cnow, I don't know *what* the Dbus mounting permissions logic looks like
05:06.45o11cbut I know it's there
05:06.52hololeapis there any way to get debug output from the device notifier?
05:06.52Jucatook. i leave it in your capable hands then
05:06.55Jucatogoes back to work
05:07.12o11chololeap: sometimes I get output on the same stdout as X uses
05:07.19o11cI use startx, not kdm
05:07.50o11chololeap: I'm guessing this occurs with *all* USB drives?
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05:08.03hololeapo11c: yes
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05:10.36hololeapi'm using sddm. i'll check to see if i can log its output
05:10.37o11chololeap: hm, possibly you could use a dbus debugging dumper?
05:10.59o11chololeap: I only know *roughly* where your problem is, not how it actually works
05:11.17hololeapo11c: it's ok. i'm pretty much in the same boat
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05:12.48hololeapi'm not seeing anything about permission errors in the dbus output under the system logs
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05:15.15hololeapok, heres what dbus-monitor produces if i try to mount with device notifier: http://dpaste.com/1XGY37M
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05:16.59hololeapdoesn't really have anything useful from what i can see
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05:23.25o11chololeap: that *might* be enough to debug further, go look at what kded is doing
05:23.43o11cbut I'm really not sure what is supposed to happen here, so ...
05:23.48o11cgoes to bed
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05:36.07hololeapo11c: thanks for your help;
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05:58.16lordievaderGood morning.
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06:37.39fpsso, again i wonder how to completely reset all my kde config
06:37.50fpssomething went wrong during an upgrade and stuff locks up and crashes left to right
06:38.00fpsespecially since once my home dir ran full
06:38.18fpskate freezes everytime it tries to write its kconfig
06:38.30fpssystem settings crashes every time i leave the display settings
06:38.32fpsetc. pp.
06:38.48fpswindow title bar font size settings are ignored
06:38.50fpsyada yada
06:39.02fpsubuntu 15.04
06:39.16fpsusing
06:39.24fpsppa kubuntu-ppa-ubuntu-backports-vivid.list
06:42.36hateballfps: move away your ~/.local/kde stuff
06:42.54hateballor is it ~/.local/plasma in 15.04, hmmm
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06:46.15emc22sage is just running fine with browser and notebook(). I wanted to run it on  cantor and it failed. Os is LinuxMint17.2  The backend -sage never started. Any Idea?
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07:27.49fpshateball: thanks
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07:36.09fpshmm
07:36.15fpsdisplay settings still crash
07:36.37fpsand also for some reason it remembered the orientation of my left screen
07:36.48fpswhich is rotated vertically, so i get 3:4 aspect ratio
07:36.49fpshmm
07:36.52fpsbut not its position
07:36.57fpssomething's still fishy
07:37.28fpsoh well
07:37.37fpsat least kate seemed to work now without freezing up
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07:43.56fpsand can someone tell me how one is supposed to reach the "add widget to panel" thing with focus follows mouse? ;)P
07:44.07fpseh, i'll just close all windows, so no focus events happen
07:44.29fpsok, adding a destop pager fails, too
07:44.42fpsi'll come back to it tonight.. now back to xmonad to get work done..
07:44.46fps[SCNR]
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07:46.04fpsi love kde and use it on my lappy, too, but it just won't work here on m desktop :(
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07:51.04hateballfps: screen config is saved by kscreen, so you can remove those configs
07:51.06hateballor edit them
07:51.29hateballit saves the settings for each edid
07:51.37fpshateball: ok, i went through pretty much all .local .config .kde etc folders and moved them all away
07:51.43fpsi'll look into it later tonight though :)
07:51.48fpshateball: thanks for your tips
07:51.51hateball:)
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08:38.57Psy-Qplasma 5.4 messes up my locale settings. the system-wide ones are correct, but setting "no change" in regional settings still makes e.g. "locale" output "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory"
08:39.16Psy-QLC_ALL is given as blank in this example
08:39.26Psy-Qand system-wide locale is en_us.UTF-8
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08:40.31Psy-Qit fucks stuff up because e.g. ls does not know which locale to use for some reason, and gives any UTF8 characters in filenames as "??"
08:41.06Psy-Qwhen i do "LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8" ls  it works. the problem is only in plasma, not in xfce or the console. how could i fix it?
08:45.19Psy-Qalso, wenn i add LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 to the environment in konsole, it works. but i don't *want* to have LC_ALL set to that, i want it to be set the way it's set in plasma's regional settings (number formats metric, swiss-german, the rest english US)
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08:52.52BlaXpirit_Psy-Q, have you tried your normal locale  .UTF-8
08:53.12BlaXpirit_as long as it's UTF-8, what you're describing should not happen / must have some other cause
08:53.25Psy-QBlaXpirit_: in regional settings? i can't choose .UTF-8 in there, it just lists en_US so i assume it picks UTF-8 automatically :|
08:53.48Psy-Qi don't even have any non-UTF-8 locales generated
08:53.57Psy-Qso if it tries to pick "en_US", no wonder it fails
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08:55.19Psy-Qsome programs also segfault with the regional settings from plasma, clementine for example. as soon as it encounters an UTF-8 filename (which looks fine in konsole as long as LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8) it crashes
08:55.45Psy-Qwhen i launch clementine with "LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 clementine" from inside a terminal, everything works perfectly
08:56.06BlaXpirit_look, Psy-Q, sounds like your system is horribly broken
08:56.28Psy-QBlaXpirit_: just the plasma bits, everything else works fine. it *is* debian unstable, though
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08:57.08Psy-Qit works in xfce and plain console with nothing to change, the locale is correct in the terminals launched there and if i start clementine in xfce
08:57.35Psy-Qso i'm wondering which bit of plasma regional settings is interfering
08:58.25w00t2hi, how to setup exchange calendar in korganizer?
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08:58.55Psy-Qaah, it looks like they're still working on locales in plasma
08:59.01Psy-Qand with 5.4 it's not yet really finished
08:59.20Psy-Q"The reason for this whole issue is that QT developed those kind of things based on the regional standards and didn't actually account for non-standard or fully-customized display settings (or that was just lower priority from the beginning)."
08:59.24Psy-Qi guess i'm hitting those issues
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09:20.48MCMicHello
09:21.50MCMicI got an encoding problem in some KDE applications, «?» are shown instead of specials characters, for instance in Apper package description. I use Debian Jessie so this is KDE4.
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09:40.38mitch0hello. has anyone experienced "distorted" / "tainted" text in windows title text? here the active window's title looks yellow instead of white, and if I take a screenshot and zoom in, I see green and yello pixels around the white text (like, some antialiasing gone awry)
09:41.16fairchow can I start a KIO (slave)?
09:41.23einar77_workPsy-Q: yeah, ufnortunately Qt's own local mechanisms suck
09:41.43einar77_works/local/locale
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09:42.13faircI'm using kde connect, however the kio-kdeconnect is down and I don't know hot to start it ...
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09:48.23Markus_KMimitch0: Turn off subpixel rendering
09:49.29mitch0Markus_KMi: thanks. where is that setting?
09:50.02Markus_KMihttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nRUajI09/13.png
09:50.27mitch0ah, fonts
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09:54.42jubaDoes anybody have problems with thunderbird new email popups on plasma 5 ? They don't show anymore for me.
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10:02.43mitch0Markus_KMi: I had that disabled already. I had to click the "Exclude range" thing to make any difference, but then the disabled windows look ugly :(
10:03.45Markus_KMithen maybe it's an issue with Qt5 and your GPU drivers
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10:05.48mitch0well, I have the same issue on my laptop and on my home desktop
10:06.05Markus_KMiweird
10:06.06mitch0actually, on the home desktop I only have this issue with one login (my wife's)
10:06.21mitch0but I haven't checked at home if we have different anti-alias settings
10:06.25mitch0will check later
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10:07.11Markus_KMiCheck the OpenGL settings under  Display  ->  Compositor
10:07.36Markus_KMimaybe your wife and you have different settings there
10:07.45mitch0yes, will do.
10:08.04mitch0oh. now I reset it to sub-pixel disabled, but hinting set to full, and now it's OK
10:08.09Markus_KMialthough I've never heard of such problems and I'm just shooting in the dark
10:08.24Markus_KMicool
10:08.35mitch0heh, "magic" and "more magic"
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10:09.01leszekalso general tip when using opensource drivers on plasma 5 I had very much better experience when choosing egl as backend for kwin in compositor settings.
10:09.05mitch0http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html
10:09.36Markus_KMileszek: Except https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1259475 ;-)
10:09.59mitch0egl?
10:10.51leszekMarkus_KMi: oh yeah using debian/neptune here which has a 2.99.917 driver which works :P
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10:11.20mitch0I only have OpenGL 3.1, 2.0, 1.2 and XRender as options
10:11.37Markus_KMiit's were GLX is
10:11.47Markus_KMianother line, same prefpanel
10:12.29Markus_KMii'm using GLX because of aforementioned Intel driver bug
10:12.34leszekbasically OpenGL ES subset of OpenGL much smaller much less chance to hit a bug :P
10:12.44mitch0I don't have GLX either :)
10:13.00mitch0I'm on a hybrid kde4-kde5 setup though (arch)
10:13.04leszekmitch0: ? take a screenshot please
10:14.07Markus_KMishould look like this:
10:14.19Markus_KMihttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7fV20HAD/14.png
10:14.34mitch0leszek: http://snag.gy/LLEEK.jpg
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10:15.40mitch0Markus_KMi: yeah, that's probably the "new" version. I probably still have the kde4 version of this settings panel
10:15.40Markus_KMithat's not Plasma 5
10:15.42Markus_KMi:D
10:15.50Markus_KMi(and I forgot that I rather downgraded my Intel driver and use EGL instead of GLX)
10:16.07mitch0see above,  arch has some kd5 and some kde4 apps mixed...
10:16.40mitch0I could "upgrade" to plasma5 but I'm not sure I'm ready for the plunge ;)
10:16.55leszekmitch0: ah thats kwin4 then
10:17.08mitch0Markus_KMi: btw, that screenshot looks awfully like win10 :(
10:17.19Markus_KMino
10:17.47leszekit does not allow to switch to egl with a graphical configuration. There should however be kwin_gles as binary that you could try temporary with kwin_gles --replace
10:18.18mitch0yeah, it works
10:18.29mitch0looks the same :)
10:19.15mitch0(same bug with sub-pixel rendering)
10:19.32Markus_KMisubpixel rendering is just a pile of rainbow-colored garbage ;-)
10:19.42leszekbrb
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10:22.54mitch0d'oh, after a logout / login, it's back to fugly yellow
10:23.14mitch0anyway, lunchtime
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10:24.05leszekmitch0: might be also because of the mix of kde4libs plasma4 and kf5 and plasma 5 packages on arch
10:24.11Markus_KMimitch0: btw you can also change themes if you dont like flat looks https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7A3P4v62/15.png
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10:27.38toskymix of packages shouldn't matter, as Plasma is totally migrated
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10:34.32BluesKajHi all
10:35.09vbgunzGood morning BluesKaj
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10:35.44BluesKaj'Morning vbgunz
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11:01.57mitch0leszek: yeah, this mix is kinda unfortunate
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11:45.23w00t2hi, is there any option to show only unreaded news in Akregator?
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11:46.42leszekw00t2: yep filter status: "unread"
11:47.08w00t2leszek: thx!
11:47.29w00t2may I have one more question? do you know how to setup exchange calendar in Korganizer?
11:49.20leszekw00t2: hmm... I don't know. I never worked with exchange stuff but I guess you need to add this through the akonadi settings
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11:50.24leszekw00t2: apparently you need davmail for this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/22977/can-i-connect-to-my-companys-exchange-server-through-kontact
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12:20.27Tujuif you delete Mail filter agent from akonadiconsole, it comes back.
12:20.34Tujuafter akonadictl restart
12:21.03Tujukind of pointless if you have to restart akonadi +100 times per day to get your mails handled.
12:21.24Tujuand now it seems to hang on..... mail filter agent.
12:21.34Tujuthat i don't a) need b) use.
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12:28.44vbgunzTuju: years ago, I've had this problem. Are you on KDE 4?
12:28.56Tujuyup, i'm.
12:29.28Tujuyears ago, when akonadi came, it all started. akonadi equals problems.
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12:29.53Tujui think it's not the code letters and compilations per se, it's the brains behind it.
12:30.08vbgunznot sure if 5 is any better. I no longer trust my mail in KDE. but 5 overall seems a whole lot more stable than 4 ever was
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12:30.28Tujuwell, if people making it haven't changed, nothing has changed.
12:31.05Tujumy kmail is now 'moving messages ..... ' last 15 min or so and nothing happens.
12:31.34Tujuevery time my customer says they have problems with Windows for some reason and ask if they should try some Linux distribution, I say "don't"
12:31.42vbgunzkmail was so bad for me, I ended up just using gmail over the web
12:31.46Tujuhow could I recommend crap like this?
12:32.46vbgunzI know what you mean, you're not alone. but 5 I honestly think might be the redeemer. I'd love to use Kmail again but don't want to risk it yet
12:33.24w00t2leszek: thanks, itks works great. Only recurring events looks ugly
12:33.53Tujui did exactly the same, dropped kmail alltogether few years ago and after some major fedora updated gave it a try for a while, it worked better but some updated at this year screwed it all once again.
12:33.59BluesKajkmail has too many issues and is too clunky for home users to bother setting up..only the poor users on the job have to deal with it's messy setup.
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12:34.56TujuBluesKaj: i think it's the underlying akonadi that tries to come trough the kmail to the surface.
12:35.20vbgunzwhen kmail worked, it was awesome, unfortunately it more often broke than worked. it got so bad for me that to this day, on 5, I didn't try setting it up and won't bother with it. I'm honestly afraid of it :(
12:35.51Tujuvbgunz: 3.x era was awesome. everything more or less worked.
12:35.55BluesKajbesides what home user needs a data =-base mail server and client anyway...akonadi never worked properly from the start IME
12:36.05vbgunzbut on a side note, I'm really enjoying 5. one day hopefully it'll just work
12:36.22vbgunzyeah, 4 never reached 3.x status for me
12:36.32BlaXpirit:(
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12:37.20BluesKajTuju, yes kmail on kde3 was great , it got totally mucked up when the akonadi server was "integrated "
12:37.30Tujuactually, 3.x era reached the maturity level on existing fuctions that people started thinking additional features to bring its usefulness to the next level. but that all stopped with 4.x
12:37.31BluesKajon kde4
12:38.10vbgunzI'm really hoping 5 in about a year reaches levels of stable never before seen. also known as 3.x stability :D
12:38.32BlaXpiritreally doubt it
12:38.39Tujuvbgunz: i don't think that will happen. You're looking at code, when you should look at people making it.
12:39.09vbgunzI'm not looking at either I think. I'm hoping because damnit I've been with KDE since 3.x and 5 has my hopes up
12:39.12Tujuif one is idiot, it won't change even he tags release in scm.
12:39.16BluesKajvbgunz, if wishes were horses.....Ii'll stick with gmail
12:39.57BlaXpiritvbgunz, how can  it have your  hopes up if it isn't better than 4.x?
12:39.58vbgunzhahaha, I'm currently sticking with gmail myself, been using it in the browser for about 2 years now
12:40.06BlaXpiritsame
12:40.17BluesKajyup
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12:40.55Tujuproblem is that you can't compare gmail and email client. those try to solve the same problem but one is program, other is a service.
12:41.17vbgunzyeah but when it comes to email, I really need it to just work
12:41.21Tujuthat is, some people are tied to their own environment.
12:41.23vbgunzwe all need it to just work
12:41.48BluesKajhad an ISP mailserver setup to my T-Bird client for yrs, then switched ISP and was forced to use gmail after that
12:43.22vbgunzI now wonder if kmail in 5 is any good
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12:44.34Tujuby looking at akonadictl output, it seems that it's working fine, kmail itself looses connection to akonadi all the time.
12:44.45Tujuand that happens here, on my desktop.
12:44.55vbgunzwhat v Tuju?
12:44.59BluesKajvbgunz, on plasma 5.4 here, but i haven't even attempted to setup kmail :-)
12:45.19Tujuvbgunz: 'v' what?
12:45.30vbgunzBluesKaj: neither have I. my experience was so bad, just thinking about it gives me a sense of dread
12:45.33vbgunzwhat version
12:45.35Tujuthat's pretty compressed....i'd say.
12:45.48Tujuvbgunz: latest and greatest that comes with stable fedora.
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12:46.21vbgunzTuju: I'm on Fedora 22 and it came with KDE 5. are you saying your problems are with the latest kmail that ships with 5.4?
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12:46.49BluesKajTuju, run plasmashell -v
12:46.52Tujuvbgunz: my kmail says its version is 4.14.9
12:47.11Tujuvbgunz: Unknown option 'v'.
12:47.40BluesKajoh fedora, one of the "hat OSs"
12:47.56TujuBluesKaj: you could say so.
12:47.59vbgunzTuju: no, when I said v, I meant version
12:48.26Tujuvbgunz: Unknown options: v, e, r, i, o.   :)
12:48.40Markus_KMiPlasma does not ship KMail or any other application
12:48.42BluesKajfedora is ok , a lot of linux users like it ...i tried it for a while
12:48.43vbgunzit's all good, I'm gonna launch kmail just to check the version
12:48.55Tujui'm afraid that with this rate we get buried until this is solved.
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12:50.49vbgunzholy snap. seriously Tuju you're having these problems on the latest Kmail?? jesus christ I can't believe it :(
12:51.36vbgunzthat's the version I have and the problems I've had years ago. There's just no way KDE keeps shipping a broken email client. Perhaps one of the most important applications to ever go onto a machine. I really can't believe it :(
12:51.40Tujuhttp://tuju.fi/tmp/kmail-20150907.png
12:51.45Tujuthat never ends.
12:52.31Tujubut i still get desktop notifications that new messages arrive.
12:52.43vbgunzTuju: yes, I shutter to see that. I honestly am convinced that kmail will always be broken at this point. I can't believe my 2 year old problem in your picture is still around.
12:53.29Tujuat some point it got better but like i told, i need to akonadictl restart tens of times per day to get some messages open and some sent.
12:53.39BlaXpirit:(
12:53.41Tujuthese days.
12:54.09Tujui think it's somewhere in kmail <----- IPC ----> akonadi
12:54.27vbgunzIf I told anyone to use KDE and they did. the moment they try to setup email, I'm done with support for them. I'm pretty sure most people would be done with KDE as a whole at that point :(
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12:54.39Tujusince akonadictl konsole floods with typical errors when it's working properly.
12:54.50TujuHINT:  Use the escape string syntax for backslashes, e.g., E'\\'.
12:54.52TujuWARNING:  nonstandard use of \\ in a string literal
12:54.53TujuLINE 1: EXECUTE qpsqlpstmt_244 (279151, 4, '("Mon, 31 Aug 2015 17:54...
12:54.58vbgunzdamn, I had high hopes for 5 and I honestly thought you were on a much older version
12:55.04Tujuthat's healthy by kde standards.
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12:56.49Tujubut moving messages seems to be too much these days.
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12:57.36Tujuold kde used to react while aborting tasks from those progress bar buttons pretty well, now kde4 doesn't.
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12:58.07Markus_KMiinstead of ranting all day, use that time to package http://dilfridge.blogspot.de/2015/07/kdepim-without-akonadi.html for you distribution
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12:58.49Tujuhttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1253282
12:59.12Markus_KMido it yourself
12:59.22Tujuas you can see, the KDE man, rex showered some cold water on it already.
12:59.37vbgunzMarkus_KMi: I don't think I'm ranting. More like making an observation you may not agree with.
12:59.40Tujuand when it comes to ranting, it has its value.
12:59.50Tujuvbgunz: I am.
13:00.00Tujuand I'm good at it.
13:00.31Tujuhell, I'm your worst nightmare when it comes pushing crappy solutioions into stable release.
13:01.09vbgunzheh
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13:01.41Markus_KMiset up a repo, package it yourself, be a hero to all affected by that bug
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13:02.44TujuI was that hero back then when they were designing akonadi. For some design features we told NO, DON'T. They didn't listen.
13:03.45Markus_KMia hero is not someone who tries to order people around. a hero is someone who solves issues himself
13:03.45vbgunzI think the real hero should probably be the people that decide if kmail should ship or not. it's obviously not ready. it's really not ready :(
13:03.46TujuMarkus_KMi: but that said, I'm with you, that noakonadi should land into fedora.
13:04.58Markus_KMiI never wrote it should land in Fedora, I said you could take the time you use for ranting to accomplish to package it yourself in your own repo
13:05.24TujuI don't "package to my own repo". it's waste of time.
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13:06.21vbgunzTuju: I wouldn't trust your repo for my very personal and sensitive emails either :(
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13:06.58Markus_KMiTuju: Why would it be a waste of time?
13:07.11Tujuit's not about trust, it's about productive use of scarce hacking hours in community project.
13:07.13BlaXpiritwhat vbgunz said, for one
13:07.16Markus_KMiyou obviously are willig to waste that time ranting
13:07.33TujuMarkus_KMi: I'm.
13:08.10TujuMarkus_KMi: are you willing to sweep state of matters under the carpet?
13:11.00Markus_KMihow do you even come to the insane conclusion, your laziness to learn packaging has something to so with carpet sweeping?
13:11.33Tujusorry, i missed the part where we discussed about my packaging skills.
13:11.34Markus_KMiI'm simply not affected by that bug
13:11.56Markus_KMithat's why I have no interest in packaging old KMail versions
13:12.49Tujuyou meant 'working KMail versions', did you?
13:14.01Markus_KMithe current KMail release works fine for me
13:14.02vbgunzMarkus_KMi: you think it's acceptable that perhaps 1 app of the top 3 apps on any machine on any OS ships broken, this is OK? if someone or several people agree, you tell them to package it themselves?
13:14.24TujuMarkus_KMi: that's the spirit. It works for me.
13:15.53Markus_KMivbgunz: Why would it not be OK to package another version of an application yourself. You do understand that this is a DIY community project, right?
13:16.12vbgunzeverything is DIY
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13:16.43TujuMarkus_KMi: being community project, you're attacking its members instead of working with them.
13:16.54Tujujoin our ranting effort!
13:17.07Basstard`Akonadi :(
13:17.11Markus_KMiyou're attacking community members.
13:17.53TujuMarkus_KMi: I said that first, you cannot use it anymore.
13:18.05vbgunzMarkus_KMi: no, just kmail :(
13:18.24Markus_KMi"14:39 <Tuju> if one is idiot, it won't change even he tags release in scm."
13:18.40vbgunzMarkus_KMi: it's nice that you want to protect the project. I feel very strongly and the same way but a spade is a spade. Kmail is broken :(
13:18.49Markus_KMilet alone the broken grammer, that is calling the KMail release manager in itiot
13:18.50TujuMarkus_KMi: which part of that you don't understand, I can elaborate that any time.
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13:19.47Markus_KMitwo people ranting already instead of packaging kdepim-noakonadi ...
13:19.51TujuMarkus_KMi: haven't met she/him in person so I'm judging solely by her/his actions.
13:20.31Tujuquoting the general KDE line: "only code | coding matters!"
13:21.04Markus_KMithan code a specfile for kdepim-noakonadi
13:21.24TujuMarkus_KMi: why are you defeding crappy end result? I don't get that.
13:21.26Tuju+n
13:21.38Tujuah, sorry forgot. It works for you.
13:22.29Markus_KMiI'm not defending anything. unlike you I just offer a solution that would work for you. you are just too lazy to act
13:22.39mitch0+1000 for axing akonadi :)
13:23.06Markus_KMifree market capitalism: Pay me and I'll package it for you
13:23.12TujuMarkus_KMi: you forgot that this is a user channel. If you suggest coding / hacking solution, do that somewhere ending -devel.
13:23.24Markus_KMidon't pay be, I say "Do it yourself"
13:23.39TujuMarkus_KMi: if you can't cope end user feedback, this channel is not for you.
13:24.13vbgunzMarkus_KMi: you know what's funny? theres an old saying of don't argue with a fool. you're ranting about ranting which by default makes you the bad guy :(
13:24.16Markus_KMiI'm pretty sure insulting KDE devs is not permitted here.
13:24.27Tujuand for the record, I hold my right to choose am I end user for some particular piece of code or do i join developers. thank you.
13:24.48toskyTuju: you stated your position multiple times, so stop now
13:25.19toskyTuju: if I understand it correctly, you are using PostgreSQL, which is definitely less tested and supported; but you forget report  this detail every time
13:25.48Tujutosky: I used my mouse to configure my kmail+akonadi. Should i swing it somehow differently?
13:26.08toskyTuju: mysql
13:26.23Tujuthis is, after all - let's not forget that - a Graphical User Interface for computers.
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13:28.18Tujutosky: that brings up the old issue, if I say that _don't_, some devs do it anyway.
13:28.54Tujuwhen it comes to configuring your backend, you could have gone to #postgresql and ask how, but someone just had to do it their way.
13:29.08Tujuthe akonadi way.
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13:29.49Tujuwell, had to admit that they laugh at you on #postgresql so it's undestandable that you don't go there.
13:30.09Tujuat least they did when we talked about akonadi there last time.
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13:31.16vbgunzI'd just love to see a working stable kmail. I loved the options and control I had when it worked. Unfortunately it broke more than any user should ever have to put up with. I stopped using it years ago because of the problems Tuju is experiencing today :(
13:31.27xmorphdoes new Kopete-15 works with facebook chat?
13:31.39Tujuxmorph: didn't that get buried already?
13:31.49toskyvbgunz: the problem you experienced years ago are different than the ones you are experiencing today; if you used it years ago, try it again
13:32.27toskyxmorph: a) Kopete 15, do you mean Kopete from Applications 15.08? b) Facebook does not support anymore external API for chat, you need to go to the website for the chat
13:32.30mitch0yeah, at least nepomuk was killed since then
13:32.48toskymitch0: desktop search was not killed, it evolved
13:32.50vbgunztosky: email is very important to me. I'm honestly afraid to try it especially considering that Tuju's problems in his screenshot appear identical to what I've experienced
13:33.00xmorphtosky: crap... i must use pidgin then
13:33.12toskyxmorph: I suspect it won't work
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13:33.33toskyvbgunz: I use it with my company account, 3 GB of emails
13:33.48xmorphtosky: it works with this https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
13:33.51mitch0tosky: yeah, I'd love to see this whole semantic desktop thing shot down, but I'd be happy if it were _completely_ optional at least
13:34.03mitch0(not build-time optional as it is now)
13:34.25Tujuvbgunz: note that I said that problem is now probably in between kmail <---- ipc ----> akonadi, that has nothing to do with A's backend. But that was tosky's relevant point.
13:34.36toskymitch0: it's lighter than you really think, and it's a generic search system which is used elsewhere, so no reason to disable it at build time
13:35.30mitch0tosky: yes, I understand. I just _do not want it_. unfortunately with the current packaging I can't have it not installed...
13:35.47mitch0I wouldn't mind some libbaloo thing installed that'd just bail out if no baloo database is found
13:35.48Tujufunny thing is that akonadi was meant to be a cache, but in reality it's slowing things down compared to direct IMAP connection.
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13:36.00mitch0but presently I have to have baloo with all its indexers installed
13:36.00toskymitch0: well, it's exactly like this now
13:36.03Markus_KMimitch0: "semantic desktop" is dead since a while and not even part of Plasma 5. you seem to live under a rock ;)
13:36.16Jucatohttp://vhanda.in/blog/2015/03/the-semantic-desktop-is-dead/
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13:36.43mitch0Markus_KMi: so why is baloo a hard dependency of dolphin and gwenview then?
13:36.56Markus_KMibaloo is not semantic
13:37.28mitch0well, it still managed to eat all my cpuz :)
13:38.08mitch0&
13:38.40Markus_KMiand what's the relation to Semantic Search?
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13:40.16vbgunztalking about baloo. search hasn't worked for me for a little while now, been meaning to report a bug but wanted to know if it was or a misconfiguration perhaps. is search working for you guys on 5.4? honestly, not that you remember it workning but opening dolphin right now and searching (5.4) does it work?
13:42.49Tujumitch0: i second that.
13:42.53toskyvbgunz: if Dolphin comes from Applications 15.08, it should work (I can't test now)
13:43.12vbgunztosky: so it did stop at some point and was addressed?
13:43.27vbgunzon F22 with update-testing and plasma-5-beta, search does nothing
13:43.28TujuIf you're not running a mainframe under your desktop, words baloo and nepomuk are swearwords.
13:43.50Tujuthose both are killing the trees and making eletric lines glow red in dark.
13:44.03Markus_KMiyou guys should stop breaking the back-ends all the time.
13:44.08MoonUnit`search is working for me atm
13:44.11Tujufor what? I've no idea, never needed either.
13:44.27vbgunzMoonUnit`: on 5.4?
13:44.35MoonUnit`yup
13:44.42toskyvbgunz: Dolphin from Applications 15.08 is the first version based on Frameworks 5, while previously it was still based on kdelibs4, and I *think* few libraries were not packaged in the previous version, which could have produced a non-working dolphin (on F22)
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13:45.13toskyTuju: please stop; baloo crunches a bit on the first run, then you don't notice it at all
13:45.20vbgunzmy dolphin version says 15.04
13:45.34Tujutosky: should i stop everyone else here too?
13:45.38toskyvbgunz: so it's the kdelibs4-based, you can check the dependency
13:46.04toskyTuju: no need to answer with another question; you made your point clear; repeating is just a pointless rant
13:46.22TujuI never felt that it's pointless.
13:46.33vbgunzhopefully soon enough 15.08 will come down. I am using plasma-5-beta so hopefully sooner than later
13:47.11toskyvbgunz: people are working on that right now (on Fedora), please wait few days
13:47.13Tujutosky: after I started, see how many have joined and opening up their feelings.
13:47.37Tujuhell, we're all sw architecs now. At least trying. :)
13:47.50toskyTuju: except the conditions are not always the same
13:47.55Tujuand all I wanted to do is to open my emails.
13:48.33Tujutosky: indeed. not sure how did we end up like this.
13:48.52Markus_KMiinstead you tried to tweak back-ends all the time and now blame others for your misconfig
13:49.34TujuMarkus_KMi: i wrote a server name into configuration and did CREATE DATABASE as required. Wouldn't call it 'tweaking' per se.
13:49.45vbgunzI am curious, do any surveys exist at all that ask for regular user feedback on apps like kmail? asking questions like "is it stable, 1 through 5", would you recommend it "1 through 5"? I wonder what that would look like if users were honest and dropped their zealotry at the door.
13:49.59Tujubut yes, it's a matter of opionion, I admit that.
13:50.26toskyTuju: is this configuration coming from an older version of akonadi?
13:50.54Tujutosky: hmm... I did start kde use back 1997, so the answer is yes?
13:51.03Markus_KMiby default, nodody needs to enter a database name for anything. you broke something. it's your fault, not anybody else's
13:51.29Tujutosky: but yes, I've hosed everything kde related many times, with my data as nothing worked.
13:51.51toskyTuju: that's not what I asked, as 1997 there was no akonadi
13:52.04Tujubecause KDE saves a lot of data into .kde dirs and all deves request rm -f that because configs are there too.
13:52.07toskyTuju: when did you "did CREATE DATABASE as required" ?
13:52.29toskys/KDE saves/KDE applications saved/
13:52.37Tujutosky: not sure, I've hosed everything quite few times.
13:52.50TujuI quess the database was empty once I CREATED it.
13:53.03Tujuor do you mean something in particular outside that?
13:53.23Markus_KMifunny how the guy, frequently breaking everything, is calling others idiots…
13:53.47TujuI ask that BECAUSE kde sprays its configs all around the dotdirs - around the data files of many its apps.
13:55.30Tujutosky: my laptop that has older version of 4.x kde, is still working with akonadi. something reacently has changed that broked the desktop ipc.
13:55.30Markus_KMiand you did that wrong. your fault. stick to defaults and all works fine
13:56.15TujuMarkus_KMi: you're effectively proposing that I should start forcing you to use postgresql.
13:56.18toskyMarkus_KMi: please stop as well, you are not doing it better
13:56.47toskyTuju: KDE *applications* writes the configuration around, just like any other applications; the difference was that KDE applications used .kde/ as base, which is not true anymore from Frameworks
13:56.50Tujutosky: I second that, he should sharpen his sarcasm. :)
13:57.20Tujutosky: I don't question that at all. I do question the common medicine, rm -rf .kde.
13:57.46TujuI try to use all apps and there is my work realated stuff there. why would anyone want to hose that?
13:57.51toskyTuju: it's not a medicine, even this channel says it (see the topic)
13:57.55Markus_KMi<PROTECTED>
13:58.01Markus_KMilearn to read
13:58.13Tujuouch, that was one under belt.
13:58.34toskya developer could ask to try to temporarily move the settings or try with a clean configuration for comparison, not to remove that
13:59.07MoonUnit`easier to set up a new user and wipe those settings for testing.
13:59.15Tujutosky: i still think akonadi is working this time, kmail process looses its connection to it.
14:00.23toskyTuju: uhm, it should be possible to check this; if akonadi is working and retrieving emails, you should see it from akonadiconsole
14:00.52Tujutosky: I do. But kmail hangs. I can't open or move 'em.
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14:01.46Tujuand I think kmail rpm checksums will match if I check them.
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14:02.54Tujunow i started kmail from konsole, it works. I expect it to loose the conn after a while as usual.
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14:05.28Basstard`Most of the clever grand ideas of how to integrate things to make it all better usually end up .. the other way around.
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14:12.43JyZyXELhow do you elevate yourself to root in dolphin?
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14:13.40FuchsJyZyXEL: you should not. If you really have good reasons, you can run it with kdesu(do)
14:14.10JyZyXELaccessing files under /root/ kind of requires it
14:14.54Fuchswell yes, the question is why you need to access these, basically :p
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14:16.22BlaXpiritJyZyXEL, kdesu(do) is OK
14:16.35JyZyXELits opens a totally different dolphin
14:16.51BlaXpiriti see no reason why /root/ would ever be not empty
14:16.54Fuchswell yes, it takes the settings from root, then
14:16.57Markus_KMiyes, root's Dolphin
14:17.23BlaXpiritwell, linux mint did one useful thing
14:17.26JyZyXELid rather have My dolphin elevated to root permissions
14:17.28FuchsBlaXpirit: I see plenty, but no reason to access the files
14:17.29BlaXpiritit has a whole "root actions" menu
14:17.41FuchsJyZyXEL: you can't in a sane way. What are you actually trying to do with the files?
14:17.59BlaXpirit(menu in dolphin rightclick)
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14:18.19FuchsJyZyXEL: for move / copy actions it would be somewhat trivial to write context menu entries, some of these already exist. If you want to edit them, you should run the actual application (e.g. text editor) as root, but that I recommend as much as running dolphin as root (not)
14:19.21JyZyXELok so if i browse to /etc/ and want to edit a config file?
14:19.39JyZyXELmost are root:root or something like that
14:19.49jaggztif I copy to clipboard (ctrl-c), that's still overwritten with a mouse-selection (in, say, my webbrowser)
14:19.55FuchsI personally would do that on a console with a console application, but if you prefer something graphical: start kate / kwrite via kdesudo, then open that file
14:19.57jaggztcan that be configured somewhere?
14:20.26Fuchsbut you can also add a  "edit file as root" action to dolphin (which basically does that, but you can browse for them in dolphin)
14:20.28JyZyXELhaving mouse selection override the clipboard sure is annoying
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14:28.27BlaXpiritjaggzt, sure
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14:28.48BlaXpirit(unless that setting was "accidentally" "forgotten" since 4.x)
14:29.37jaggztJyZyXEL, yeah.. i very often will select and paste over it.. but that's kinda useless
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14:30.21JyZyXELput something on the clipboard and then select where to paste it
14:30.31JyZyXELbut the act of selecting ruins the clipboard \:D/
14:31.48Markus_KMithen turn it off
14:31.57vbgunzOK, I set up Kmail. It's been a very long time since I've used it. If it works even for a week without running into problems I'll be seriously impressed
14:32.07BlaXpiritjaggzt, just go to settings, ignore selection
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14:32.45Markus_KMivbgunz: software without bugs does not exist. never. nowhere.
14:32.51JyZyXELselection can be turned off?
14:33.01BlaXpiritsomehow Klipper didnt lose any features in plasma 5  :O
14:34.33jaggztBlaXpirit, I like selection.. but usually there's a mouse-clipboard and an a kb one
14:34.52BlaXpiritjaggzt, yes, that's how it's always been on my computer
14:35.08BlaXpiriti dont remember how the default setting works anymore
14:35.15BlaXpiritbut it sure isn't sane
14:35.50jaggztignore selection is not checkoffabble
14:36.06jaggzt(greyed out)
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14:36.24jaggztoh.. that's because "synchronize contents of the clipboard and the selection" is checked
14:36.40BlaXpiritjaggzt, which is exactly what you don't want
14:36.46BlaXpiritlooking at settings is nice sometimes
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14:37.24jaggztyeah.. I was thinking it was some KDE thing not a klipper thing.. so I asked but then realized "ahh.. lemme investigate clipper"
14:37.51JyZyXELklipper has the synchronization setting
14:37.57jaggztstill didn't notice those actual settings.. got distracted with some other klipper stuff
14:40.36mitch0I killed klipper some years ago when it went bollocks. didn't really miss it since then
14:41.04JyZyXELits not uncommon for it to freeze and stop working for a while
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16:26.12SaveTheRobotshi, i'm having a problem with kmail, my gmail/self-hosted IMAP accounts work but i can't get my office 365 via IMAP account to work, it just sits at "Syncing folder 'Inbox'" (0%) until i manually cancel it
16:26.36SaveTheRobotsdoes kmail have anything in the way of verbose logging i could check for errors with? i can't seem to find much online :(
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16:53.11jaggzthow do you paste, with kb, the mouse selection?
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16:53.51BlaXpiritjaggzt, well, since you just disabled synchronization, you can't
16:54.33BlaXpiritbut then again, you can make a hotkey that runs xsel
16:54.38BlaXpiritjaggzt,
16:55.05BlaXpiritliterally just `xsel` without any arguments  pastes mouse selection
16:55.37BlaXpiritand it doesn't steal focus  like the middle click would,  which is also very nice
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17:05.05vHanda_mitch0: Tuju: If you guys are having any specific problems with Baloo please file a bug report, I'll get back to you. Though I have heard many complaints about Dolphin + Baloo not working in Fedora. They probably did not package it correctly.
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17:23.30jaggztBlaXpirit, neat
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17:35.20hololeapis there an equivilent to `kdesu` in kde 5?
17:35.50hololeap*equivalent
17:37.03toskyhololeap: uhm, doesn't "kdesu applicationname" work in krunner?
17:37.29hololeaptosky: no, i'm getting "bash: kdesu: command not found"
17:37.43toskyhololeap: from krunner or from bash?
17:37.45hololeapwait, in krunner?
17:37.48toskyyes
17:38.37hololeapi don't think so. i have the command typed in and i'm hitting enter, but nothing's popping up
17:38.48hololeapi'm trying to do `kdesu unetbootin`
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17:39.01hololeap`su unetbootin` works btw
17:39.14hololeapso maybe kdesu isn't necessary for it
17:39.20toskyuhm, I can't test with plasma 5 now
17:39.39hololeapi was just wondering if maybe it moved to a certain package
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17:51.39SonikkuAmericaHey guys! I see the latest KDE SC supports single-point touch events (much thanks)... will it ever support multitouch? (i.e. is it a planned feature in KDE?)
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19:15.42Markus_KMi"19:51 <SonikkuAmerica> Hey guys! I see the latest KDE SC supports single-point touch events (much thanks)... will it ever support multitouch? (i.e. is it a planned feature in KDE?)" —Considering that there is the Plasma Mobile project with paid developers working on it, I'm rather confident that there will be full multitouch support in a future release
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19:18.27monty_halljust switch to kde
19:18.37monty_hallthe font's in my pidge (gtk) look small
19:18.42monty_hallhow can I fix this?
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19:19.35monty_hallI can tell you I already like the fact kde doesn't stick to screen edges
19:19.40monty_hallubuntu was driving me crazy
19:19.55monty_hallnot cool on multi heads
19:21.45Markus_KMiwell, the screen sticking thing is configurable here
19:23.37Markus_KMias for GTK: Usually GTK applications should use the KDE settings...
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19:26.01monty_hallthe fonts look all antialiased
19:26.09monty_hallin fact the fonts are generally crappy
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19:26.21monty_hallI thought there was a tweak that you can do
19:26.29monty_hallas it is, I can barely read my pidgin text
19:26.39Markus_KMiso all fonts don't look great, not just the GTK ones?
19:26.40monty_hallthis wasn't an issure under ubuntu/unity
19:26.57monty_hallelicpse looks bad
19:26.59monty_hallpidgin looks bad
19:27.05monty_hallI presume they're all using gtk
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19:27.14Markus_KMibut Qt apps are OK?
19:27.39monty_hallyes, I'd say
19:27.41madmanwithaboxI'm on plasma 5, and I noticed there isn't a "Folder View" Activitiy
19:27.45madmanwithaboxhow do I get that?
19:27.48Markus_KMiThose are my settings https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cx2e8JGW/13.png
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19:28.45Markus_KMimadmanwithabox: It's here. The Plasma Folder View widgets has to be installed for that.
19:30.20madmanwithaboxnot the folder widget, the seperate activity Markuus_KMi
19:30.52Markus_KMimadmanwithabox: I understand but the widget also provides the desktop type
19:31.35madmanwithabox<PROTECTED>
19:31.45madmanwithaboxbut still no folder view activity
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19:32.12Markus_KMimadmanwithabox: First option https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3yhoV27D/16.png
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19:32.48madmanwithaboxOhh, Thanks!
19:33.31Markus_KMimonty_hall: Do you have the kcm-gtk package (or similar name, this is the Fedora one) installed?
19:33.44monty_halladjusted the fonts
19:33.50Markus_KMiexecute kcmshell4 gtk
19:33.50monty_halllittle large, but I'll tweak
19:34.00monty_hallI recall I've always had a problem w/ stock kde fonts
19:34.34monty_hallthe dev's must have good eyesight because the fonts are always pretty darn tiny out of the box.
19:34.36Markus_KMiI always tweak fonts. no matter which OS :D
19:35.08Markus_KMithere is no one-size-fits-all solution. it depends on the screen ets
19:35.13Markus_KMi*etc
19:35.49Markus_KMipersonally I'm a fan of Clear Sans for everything but monospace fonts. for monospace I use Source Code Pro
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19:38.29Markus_KMiAs you can see in my screenshot size of 9 points everythere
19:40.43madmanwithaboxOkay, I have another question, where is the workspace switcher?
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19:53.40monty_hallwierd behavior
19:53.46monty_hallhitting delete in eclipse no longer works
19:53.52monty_hallI have to restart
19:53.54monty_hallwhy is this happening
19:54.28monty_hallwell. switching back to unity turn off sticky edges :P
19:54.39monty_hallit's a gtk world
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19:54.56Markus_KMiEclipse is Java, not GTK
19:54.58madmanwithaboxWhy don't newly installed plasmoids show up in the add widgets menu?
19:55.08madmanwithaboxam I doing something wrong?
19:55.17madmanwithaboxWhen I use pacman to install widgets, they show up
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19:55.33madmanwithaboxbut not when I'm using the plasma app to install widgets
19:55.46Markus_KMimadmanwithabox: No idea. I only installed a single additional widget and it showed up …
19:56.41madmanwithaboxI also filed a bug report here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352366
19:56.47madmanwithaboxnot too discriptive, i know
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20:02.59Floryhello
20:02.59Florya friend and me are creating a new opensource pixel animator and editor called PixelCayman
20:02.59Floryin qt5 and c++, aimed to be more customizable, with more features and basically better animation layers/frames than existing ones
20:02.59Floryhttps://github.com/mbasaglia/PixelCayman
20:02.59Floryhttps://openhatch.org/projects/PixelCayman
20:03.01Floryjoin our channel is #PixelCayman here on freenode
20:03.30Florywe're in need of some help, so if you're interested, or just want to stay tunned join the channel :)
20:04.00Florysry if it's off-topic
20:04.00Florybut kde-chat is almost empty ^^
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20:07.45Markus_KMiFlory: We had worse posts here today ;)
20:07.58Florylol
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20:09.13Markus_KMiFlory: I think the Calligra guys and gals may be a better target audience than the general kde chat
20:10.02Florycool, thx Markus_KMi :3
20:12.50kde__pepoFlory, shouldn't you use the scene graph instead of QGraphicsView?
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20:23.25Florysry, was away
20:23.25Florykde__pepo
20:23.25Florywe're not using qt quick
20:23.25Florywe're using qt widgets
20:23.26Floryanyways my friend is who's programming it ^^
20:23.27FloryI'm doing more arty stuff :D
20:23.28Floryif you want, you could join the channel and ask him
20:23.29Floryor not :D I'll still can answer some things :3
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20:25.17Floryask him programming related things*
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20:29.48Giraffe_is it possible to write plasmoids with JS? I found a few references/tutorials but they were removed/empty...
20:29.59hololeapin kde/plasma 5, is there a way to set up window rules so they can enable/disable certain desktop effects?
20:30.39hololeapi've noticed that the fade effect causes issues with yakuake, but i want to leave compositing enabled on it
20:30.58BlaXpiritGiraffe_, i think js is used in all plasmoids now
20:31.36Markus_KMihololeap: What issues?
20:31.38Giraffe_BlaXpirit: I checked out https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma5 but the tutorials just give me a 404-equivalent
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20:32.21BlaXpiritGiraffe_, blue links all work
20:32.46Giraffe_sorry, javascript*-related links on the entire site
20:32.52Giraffe_or theyre outdated
20:33.18Giraffe_found one!
20:33.19hololeapMarkus_KMi: the focus acts really funky, like when it appears it doesn't have focus unless the mouse is off of where the window appears. the only way to get focus back is to click on another window and then click back on the yakuake screen
20:33.23Markus_KMiGiraffe_: https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma2/QML2/API
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20:33.56hololeapMarkus_KMi: i tried every combination of focus stealing prevention options, but nothing worked. oddly turning off compositing with alt+shift+f12 made it work correctly
20:34.25hololeapMarkus_KMi: also it doesn't slide down with compositing on, it fades in. i have a feeling its the fade effect that's messing it up
20:34.31Markus_KMiweird. it's working fine here…
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20:35.02Markus_KMiit slides in and fades at the same time. focus is correct
20:35.54Markus_KMiusing some kf4-based "2.9.9+" version here
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20:37.37hololeapMarkus_KMi: i'm running from the live builds on gentoo, so that might be why
20:40.54hololeapactually it's the sliding popups effect
20:41.10hololeapthat seems to be causing the issue. if i turn that off then it works correctly
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21:21.01w00t2hello, is there any known issue with KMail "Run selected filter(s) on" function?
21:21.28w00t2from what I see, this setting is not saved and filter is executed against all folders
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22:12.14madmanwithaboxHi guys
22:12.29madmanwithaboxWhat happened to the workspace switcher widget?
22:12.36madmanwithaboxin plasma 5
22:12.39madmanwithaboxit's not there
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22:31.46redeyedmanhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352405
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22:52.07toskyredeyedman: KDE Workspaces 4.11 won't have new releases
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22:53.57redeyedmanthen that report is useless
22:54.59redeyedmanat least I disabled blur now
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23:00.48o11credeyedman: distros might still backport
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