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04:09.31 | austin6598 | is it possible to run system updates from a terminal?" |
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04:20.15 | hololeap | a17r: the legacy-systray flag on plasma-desktop fixed the tray issue, but i've got =sys-auth/consolekit-1.0.0 and x11-misc/sddm-0.11.0-r2 installed and i'm getting the same error |
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04:24.11 | phobos_anomaly | austin6598: yes. |
04:24.32 | austin6598 | phobos_anomaly> kubuntu helped me out but im getting this: |
04:24.43 | austin6598 | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/HfcXZqTS/ |
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04:26.36 | phobos_anomaly | ok, I'm not that familiar with apt-get/aptitude. I do know that if they were held back, it's because of conflicts. You can try working around it a bit installing the packages one by one with aptitude instead of apt-get |
04:27.00 | phobos_anomaly | otherwise, I wouldn't worry about it. |
04:27.26 | austin6598 | i think i might need to reboot |
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04:38.11 | hololeap | does anyone know why i might be getting this error when i try to mount a usb drive with device notifier: "An unspecified error has occurred: Not authorized to perform operation" |
04:38.30 | hololeap | i am using openrc in gentoo (not systemd). my user is in the plugdev group. |
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04:42.35 | austin6598 | hololeap>running as root? |
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05:01.43 | hololeap | austin6598: no, i'm running as a normal user |
05:02.24 | austin6598 | hololeap> does the hardware have any write protection switch on it ? |
05:03.38 | austin6598 | what distro? what file manager? |
05:03.43 | o11c | phobos_anomaly: with aptitude you can interactively resolve by writing lines like 'r 1' |
05:03.55 | Jucato | hololeap: are you able to mount the drive normally in the command line? (like mount /dev/something without root) |
05:04.42 | hololeap | Jucato: if i try to mount anything without using sudo, i get "mount: only root can do that" |
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05:05.19 | Jucato | hololeap: then if you're not able to do it as a regular user from the command line, there's no way you can do it in KDE as well |
05:05.33 | hololeap | i just want to add that i was able to mount through through the device manager with kde 4 which i just upgraded from |
05:05.44 | Jucato | the solution might be somewhere lower in the stack though |
05:05.56 | o11c | Jucato: er, no |
05:06.12 | Jucato | o11c: ok |
05:06.22 | o11c | Jucato: mounting via KDE uses Dbus magic, mount on the command-line does not |
05:06.28 | o11c | ergo, KDE does more than the command-line |
05:06.40 | o11c | now, I don't know *what* the Dbus mounting permissions logic looks like |
05:06.45 | o11c | but I know it's there |
05:06.52 | hololeap | is there any way to get debug output from the device notifier? |
05:06.52 | Jucato | ok. i leave it in your capable hands then |
05:06.55 | Jucato | goes back to work |
05:07.12 | o11c | hololeap: sometimes I get output on the same stdout as X uses |
05:07.19 | o11c | I use startx, not kdm |
05:07.50 | o11c | hololeap: I'm guessing this occurs with *all* USB drives? |
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05:08.03 | hololeap | o11c: yes |
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05:10.36 | hololeap | i'm using sddm. i'll check to see if i can log its output |
05:10.37 | o11c | hololeap: hm, possibly you could use a dbus debugging dumper? |
05:10.59 | o11c | hololeap: I only know *roughly* where your problem is, not how it actually works |
05:11.17 | hololeap | o11c: it's ok. i'm pretty much in the same boat |
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05:12.48 | hololeap | i'm not seeing anything about permission errors in the dbus output under the system logs |
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05:15.15 | hololeap | ok, heres what dbus-monitor produces if i try to mount with device notifier: http://dpaste.com/1XGY37M |
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05:16.59 | hololeap | doesn't really have anything useful from what i can see |
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05:23.25 | o11c | hololeap: that *might* be enough to debug further, go look at what kded is doing |
05:23.43 | o11c | but I'm really not sure what is supposed to happen here, so ... |
05:23.48 | o11c | goes to bed |
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05:36.07 | hololeap | o11c: thanks for your help; |
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05:58.16 | lordievader | Good morning. |
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06:37.39 | fps | so, again i wonder how to completely reset all my kde config |
06:37.50 | fps | something went wrong during an upgrade and stuff locks up and crashes left to right |
06:38.00 | fps | especially since once my home dir ran full |
06:38.18 | fps | kate freezes everytime it tries to write its kconfig |
06:38.30 | fps | system settings crashes every time i leave the display settings |
06:38.32 | fps | etc. pp. |
06:38.48 | fps | window title bar font size settings are ignored |
06:38.50 | fps | yada yada |
06:39.02 | fps | ubuntu 15.04 |
06:39.16 | fps | using |
06:39.24 | fps | ppa kubuntu-ppa-ubuntu-backports-vivid.list |
06:42.36 | hateball | fps: move away your ~/.local/kde stuff |
06:42.54 | hateball | or is it ~/.local/plasma in 15.04, hmmm |
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06:46.15 | emc22 | sage is just running fine with browser and notebook(). I wanted to run it on cantor and it failed. Os is LinuxMint17.2 The backend -sage never started. Any Idea? |
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07:27.49 | fps | hateball: thanks |
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07:36.09 | fps | hmm |
07:36.15 | fps | display settings still crash |
07:36.37 | fps | and also for some reason it remembered the orientation of my left screen |
07:36.48 | fps | which is rotated vertically, so i get 3:4 aspect ratio |
07:36.49 | fps | hmm |
07:36.52 | fps | but not its position |
07:36.57 | fps | something's still fishy |
07:37.28 | fps | oh well |
07:37.37 | fps | at least kate seemed to work now without freezing up |
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07:43.56 | fps | and can someone tell me how one is supposed to reach the "add widget to panel" thing with focus follows mouse? ;)P |
07:44.07 | fps | eh, i'll just close all windows, so no focus events happen |
07:44.29 | fps | ok, adding a destop pager fails, too |
07:44.42 | fps | i'll come back to it tonight.. now back to xmonad to get work done.. |
07:44.46 | fps | [SCNR] |
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07:46.04 | fps | i love kde and use it on my lappy, too, but it just won't work here on m desktop :( |
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07:51.04 | hateball | fps: screen config is saved by kscreen, so you can remove those configs |
07:51.06 | hateball | or edit them |
07:51.29 | hateball | it saves the settings for each edid |
07:51.37 | fps | hateball: ok, i went through pretty much all .local .config .kde etc folders and moved them all away |
07:51.43 | fps | i'll look into it later tonight though :) |
07:51.48 | fps | hateball: thanks for your tips |
07:51.51 | hateball | :) |
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08:38.57 | Psy-Q | plasma 5.4 messes up my locale settings. the system-wide ones are correct, but setting "no change" in regional settings still makes e.g. "locale" output "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory" |
08:39.16 | Psy-Q | LC_ALL is given as blank in this example |
08:39.26 | Psy-Q | and system-wide locale is en_us.UTF-8 |
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08:40.31 | Psy-Q | it fucks stuff up because e.g. ls does not know which locale to use for some reason, and gives any UTF8 characters in filenames as "??" |
08:41.06 | Psy-Q | when i do "LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8" ls it works. the problem is only in plasma, not in xfce or the console. how could i fix it? |
08:45.19 | Psy-Q | also, wenn i add LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 to the environment in konsole, it works. but i don't *want* to have LC_ALL set to that, i want it to be set the way it's set in plasma's regional settings (number formats metric, swiss-german, the rest english US) |
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08:52.52 | BlaXpirit_ | Psy-Q, have you tried your normal locale .UTF-8 |
08:53.12 | BlaXpirit_ | as long as it's UTF-8, what you're describing should not happen / must have some other cause |
08:53.25 | Psy-Q | BlaXpirit_: in regional settings? i can't choose .UTF-8 in there, it just lists en_US so i assume it picks UTF-8 automatically :| |
08:53.48 | Psy-Q | i don't even have any non-UTF-8 locales generated |
08:53.57 | Psy-Q | so if it tries to pick "en_US", no wonder it fails |
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08:55.19 | Psy-Q | some programs also segfault with the regional settings from plasma, clementine for example. as soon as it encounters an UTF-8 filename (which looks fine in konsole as long as LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8) it crashes |
08:55.45 | Psy-Q | when i launch clementine with "LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 clementine" from inside a terminal, everything works perfectly |
08:56.06 | BlaXpirit_ | look, Psy-Q, sounds like your system is horribly broken |
08:56.28 | Psy-Q | BlaXpirit_: just the plasma bits, everything else works fine. it *is* debian unstable, though |
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08:57.08 | Psy-Q | it works in xfce and plain console with nothing to change, the locale is correct in the terminals launched there and if i start clementine in xfce |
08:57.35 | Psy-Q | so i'm wondering which bit of plasma regional settings is interfering |
08:58.25 | w00t2 | hi, how to setup exchange calendar in korganizer? |
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08:58.55 | Psy-Q | aah, it looks like they're still working on locales in plasma |
08:59.01 | Psy-Q | and with 5.4 it's not yet really finished |
08:59.20 | Psy-Q | "The reason for this whole issue is that QT developed those kind of things based on the regional standards and didn't actually account for non-standard or fully-customized display settings (or that was just lower priority from the beginning)." |
08:59.24 | Psy-Q | i guess i'm hitting those issues |
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09:20.48 | MCMic | Hello |
09:21.50 | MCMic | I got an encoding problem in some KDE applications, «?» are shown instead of specials characters, for instance in Apper package description. I use Debian Jessie so this is KDE4. |
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09:40.38 | mitch0 | hello. has anyone experienced "distorted" / "tainted" text in windows title text? here the active window's title looks yellow instead of white, and if I take a screenshot and zoom in, I see green and yello pixels around the white text (like, some antialiasing gone awry) |
09:41.16 | fairc | how can I start a KIO (slave)? |
09:41.23 | einar77_work | Psy-Q: yeah, ufnortunately Qt's own local mechanisms suck |
09:41.43 | einar77_work | s/local/locale |
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09:42.13 | fairc | I'm using kde connect, however the kio-kdeconnect is down and I don't know hot to start it ... |
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09:48.23 | Markus_KMi | mitch0: Turn off subpixel rendering |
09:49.29 | mitch0 | Markus_KMi: thanks. where is that setting? |
09:50.02 | Markus_KMi | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nRUajI09/13.png |
09:50.27 | mitch0 | ah, fonts |
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09:54.42 | juba | Does anybody have problems with thunderbird new email popups on plasma 5 ? They don't show anymore for me. |
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10:02.43 | mitch0 | Markus_KMi: I had that disabled already. I had to click the "Exclude range" thing to make any difference, but then the disabled windows look ugly :( |
10:03.45 | Markus_KMi | then maybe it's an issue with Qt5 and your GPU drivers |
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10:05.48 | mitch0 | well, I have the same issue on my laptop and on my home desktop |
10:06.05 | Markus_KMi | weird |
10:06.06 | mitch0 | actually, on the home desktop I only have this issue with one login (my wife's) |
10:06.21 | mitch0 | but I haven't checked at home if we have different anti-alias settings |
10:06.25 | mitch0 | will check later |
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10:07.11 | Markus_KMi | Check the OpenGL settings under Display -> Compositor |
10:07.36 | Markus_KMi | maybe your wife and you have different settings there |
10:07.45 | mitch0 | yes, will do. |
10:08.04 | mitch0 | oh. now I reset it to sub-pixel disabled, but hinting set to full, and now it's OK |
10:08.09 | Markus_KMi | although I've never heard of such problems and I'm just shooting in the dark |
10:08.24 | Markus_KMi | cool |
10:08.35 | mitch0 | heh, "magic" and "more magic" |
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10:09.01 | leszek | also general tip when using opensource drivers on plasma 5 I had very much better experience when choosing egl as backend for kwin in compositor settings. |
10:09.05 | mitch0 | http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html |
10:09.36 | Markus_KMi | leszek: Except https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1259475 ;-) |
10:09.59 | mitch0 | egl? |
10:10.51 | leszek | Markus_KMi: oh yeah using debian/neptune here which has a 2.99.917 driver which works :P |
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10:11.20 | mitch0 | I only have OpenGL 3.1, 2.0, 1.2 and XRender as options |
10:11.37 | Markus_KMi | it's were GLX is |
10:11.47 | Markus_KMi | another line, same prefpanel |
10:12.29 | Markus_KMi | i'm using GLX because of aforementioned Intel driver bug |
10:12.34 | leszek | basically OpenGL ES subset of OpenGL much smaller much less chance to hit a bug :P |
10:12.44 | mitch0 | I don't have GLX either :) |
10:13.00 | mitch0 | I'm on a hybrid kde4-kde5 setup though (arch) |
10:13.04 | leszek | mitch0: ? take a screenshot please |
10:14.07 | Markus_KMi | should look like this: |
10:14.19 | Markus_KMi | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7fV20HAD/14.png |
10:14.34 | mitch0 | leszek: http://snag.gy/LLEEK.jpg |
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10:15.40 | mitch0 | Markus_KMi: yeah, that's probably the "new" version. I probably still have the kde4 version of this settings panel |
10:15.40 | Markus_KMi | that's not Plasma 5 |
10:15.42 | Markus_KMi | :D |
10:15.50 | Markus_KMi | (and I forgot that I rather downgraded my Intel driver and use EGL instead of GLX) |
10:16.07 | mitch0 | see above, arch has some kd5 and some kde4 apps mixed... |
10:16.40 | mitch0 | I could "upgrade" to plasma5 but I'm not sure I'm ready for the plunge ;) |
10:16.55 | leszek | mitch0: ah thats kwin4 then |
10:17.08 | mitch0 | Markus_KMi: btw, that screenshot looks awfully like win10 :( |
10:17.19 | Markus_KMi | no |
10:17.47 | leszek | it does not allow to switch to egl with a graphical configuration. There should however be kwin_gles as binary that you could try temporary with kwin_gles --replace |
10:18.18 | mitch0 | yeah, it works |
10:18.29 | mitch0 | looks the same :) |
10:19.15 | mitch0 | (same bug with sub-pixel rendering) |
10:19.32 | Markus_KMi | subpixel rendering is just a pile of rainbow-colored garbage ;-) |
10:19.42 | leszek | brb |
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10:21.52 | leszek | re |
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10:22.54 | mitch0 | d'oh, after a logout / login, it's back to fugly yellow |
10:23.14 | mitch0 | anyway, lunchtime |
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10:24.05 | leszek | mitch0: might be also because of the mix of kde4libs plasma4 and kf5 and plasma 5 packages on arch |
10:24.11 | Markus_KMi | mitch0: btw you can also change themes if you dont like flat looks https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7A3P4v62/15.png |
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10:27.38 | tosky | mix of packages shouldn't matter, as Plasma is totally migrated |
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10:34.32 | BluesKaj | Hi all |
10:35.09 | vbgunz | Good morning BluesKaj |
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10:35.44 | BluesKaj | 'Morning vbgunz |
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11:01.57 | mitch0 | leszek: yeah, this mix is kinda unfortunate |
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11:45.23 | w00t2 | hi, is there any option to show only unreaded news in Akregator? |
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11:46.42 | leszek | w00t2: yep filter status: "unread" |
11:47.08 | w00t2 | leszek: thx! |
11:47.29 | w00t2 | may I have one more question? do you know how to setup exchange calendar in Korganizer? |
11:49.20 | leszek | w00t2: hmm... I don't know. I never worked with exchange stuff but I guess you need to add this through the akonadi settings |
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11:50.24 | leszek | w00t2: apparently you need davmail for this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/22977/can-i-connect-to-my-companys-exchange-server-through-kontact |
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12:20.27 | Tuju | if you delete Mail filter agent from akonadiconsole, it comes back. |
12:20.34 | Tuju | after akonadictl restart |
12:21.03 | Tuju | kind of pointless if you have to restart akonadi +100 times per day to get your mails handled. |
12:21.24 | Tuju | and now it seems to hang on..... mail filter agent. |
12:21.34 | Tuju | that i don't a) need b) use. |
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12:28.44 | vbgunz | Tuju: years ago, I've had this problem. Are you on KDE 4? |
12:28.56 | Tuju | yup, i'm. |
12:29.28 | Tuju | years ago, when akonadi came, it all started. akonadi equals problems. |
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12:29.53 | Tuju | i think it's not the code letters and compilations per se, it's the brains behind it. |
12:30.08 | vbgunz | not sure if 5 is any better. I no longer trust my mail in KDE. but 5 overall seems a whole lot more stable than 4 ever was |
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12:30.28 | Tuju | well, if people making it haven't changed, nothing has changed. |
12:31.05 | Tuju | my kmail is now 'moving messages ..... ' last 15 min or so and nothing happens. |
12:31.34 | Tuju | every time my customer says they have problems with Windows for some reason and ask if they should try some Linux distribution, I say "don't" |
12:31.42 | vbgunz | kmail was so bad for me, I ended up just using gmail over the web |
12:31.46 | Tuju | how could I recommend crap like this? |
12:32.46 | vbgunz | I know what you mean, you're not alone. but 5 I honestly think might be the redeemer. I'd love to use Kmail again but don't want to risk it yet |
12:33.24 | w00t2 | leszek: thanks, itks works great. Only recurring events looks ugly |
12:33.53 | Tuju | i did exactly the same, dropped kmail alltogether few years ago and after some major fedora updated gave it a try for a while, it worked better but some updated at this year screwed it all once again. |
12:33.59 | BluesKaj | kmail has too many issues and is too clunky for home users to bother setting up..only the poor users on the job have to deal with it's messy setup. |
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12:34.56 | Tuju | BluesKaj: i think it's the underlying akonadi that tries to come trough the kmail to the surface. |
12:35.20 | vbgunz | when kmail worked, it was awesome, unfortunately it more often broke than worked. it got so bad for me that to this day, on 5, I didn't try setting it up and won't bother with it. I'm honestly afraid of it :( |
12:35.51 | Tuju | vbgunz: 3.x era was awesome. everything more or less worked. |
12:35.55 | BluesKaj | besides what home user needs a data =-base mail server and client anyway...akonadi never worked properly from the start IME |
12:36.05 | vbgunz | but on a side note, I'm really enjoying 5. one day hopefully it'll just work |
12:36.22 | vbgunz | yeah, 4 never reached 3.x status for me |
12:36.32 | BlaXpirit | :( |
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12:37.20 | BluesKaj | Tuju, yes kmail on kde3 was great , it got totally mucked up when the akonadi server was "integrated " |
12:37.30 | Tuju | actually, 3.x era reached the maturity level on existing fuctions that people started thinking additional features to bring its usefulness to the next level. but that all stopped with 4.x |
12:37.31 | BluesKaj | on kde4 |
12:38.10 | vbgunz | I'm really hoping 5 in about a year reaches levels of stable never before seen. also known as 3.x stability :D |
12:38.32 | BlaXpirit | really doubt it |
12:38.39 | Tuju | vbgunz: i don't think that will happen. You're looking at code, when you should look at people making it. |
12:39.09 | vbgunz | I'm not looking at either I think. I'm hoping because damnit I've been with KDE since 3.x and 5 has my hopes up |
12:39.12 | Tuju | if one is idiot, it won't change even he tags release in scm. |
12:39.16 | BluesKaj | vbgunz, if wishes were horses.....Ii'll stick with gmail |
12:39.57 | BlaXpirit | vbgunz, how can it have your hopes up if it isn't better than 4.x? |
12:39.58 | vbgunz | hahaha, I'm currently sticking with gmail myself, been using it in the browser for about 2 years now |
12:40.06 | BlaXpirit | same |
12:40.17 | BluesKaj | yup |
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12:40.55 | Tuju | problem is that you can't compare gmail and email client. those try to solve the same problem but one is program, other is a service. |
12:41.17 | vbgunz | yeah but when it comes to email, I really need it to just work |
12:41.21 | Tuju | that is, some people are tied to their own environment. |
12:41.23 | vbgunz | we all need it to just work |
12:41.48 | BluesKaj | had an ISP mailserver setup to my T-Bird client for yrs, then switched ISP and was forced to use gmail after that |
12:43.22 | vbgunz | I now wonder if kmail in 5 is any good |
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12:44.34 | Tuju | by looking at akonadictl output, it seems that it's working fine, kmail itself looses connection to akonadi all the time. |
12:44.45 | Tuju | and that happens here, on my desktop. |
12:44.55 | vbgunz | what v Tuju? |
12:44.59 | BluesKaj | vbgunz, on plasma 5.4 here, but i haven't even attempted to setup kmail :-) |
12:45.19 | Tuju | vbgunz: 'v' what? |
12:45.30 | vbgunz | BluesKaj: neither have I. my experience was so bad, just thinking about it gives me a sense of dread |
12:45.33 | vbgunz | what version |
12:45.35 | Tuju | that's pretty compressed....i'd say. |
12:45.48 | Tuju | vbgunz: latest and greatest that comes with stable fedora. |
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12:46.21 | vbgunz | Tuju: I'm on Fedora 22 and it came with KDE 5. are you saying your problems are with the latest kmail that ships with 5.4? |
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12:46.49 | BluesKaj | Tuju, run plasmashell -v |
12:46.52 | Tuju | vbgunz: my kmail says its version is 4.14.9 |
12:47.11 | Tuju | vbgunz: Unknown option 'v'. |
12:47.40 | BluesKaj | oh fedora, one of the "hat OSs" |
12:47.56 | Tuju | BluesKaj: you could say so. |
12:47.59 | vbgunz | Tuju: no, when I said v, I meant version |
12:48.26 | Tuju | vbgunz: Unknown options: v, e, r, i, o. :) |
12:48.40 | Markus_KMi | Plasma does not ship KMail or any other application |
12:48.42 | BluesKaj | fedora is ok , a lot of linux users like it ...i tried it for a while |
12:48.43 | vbgunz | it's all good, I'm gonna launch kmail just to check the version |
12:48.55 | Tuju | i'm afraid that with this rate we get buried until this is solved. |
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12:50.49 | vbgunz | holy snap. seriously Tuju you're having these problems on the latest Kmail?? jesus christ I can't believe it :( |
12:51.36 | vbgunz | that's the version I have and the problems I've had years ago. There's just no way KDE keeps shipping a broken email client. Perhaps one of the most important applications to ever go onto a machine. I really can't believe it :( |
12:51.40 | Tuju | http://tuju.fi/tmp/kmail-20150907.png |
12:51.45 | Tuju | that never ends. |
12:52.31 | Tuju | but i still get desktop notifications that new messages arrive. |
12:52.43 | vbgunz | Tuju: yes, I shutter to see that. I honestly am convinced that kmail will always be broken at this point. I can't believe my 2 year old problem in your picture is still around. |
12:53.29 | Tuju | at some point it got better but like i told, i need to akonadictl restart tens of times per day to get some messages open and some sent. |
12:53.39 | BlaXpirit | :( |
12:53.41 | Tuju | these days. |
12:54.09 | Tuju | i think it's somewhere in kmail <----- IPC ----> akonadi |
12:54.27 | vbgunz | If I told anyone to use KDE and they did. the moment they try to setup email, I'm done with support for them. I'm pretty sure most people would be done with KDE as a whole at that point :( |
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12:54.39 | Tuju | since akonadictl konsole floods with typical errors when it's working properly. |
12:54.50 | Tuju | HINT: Use the escape string syntax for backslashes, e.g., E'\\'. |
12:54.52 | Tuju | WARNING: nonstandard use of \\ in a string literal |
12:54.53 | Tuju | LINE 1: EXECUTE qpsqlpstmt_244 (279151, 4, '("Mon, 31 Aug 2015 17:54... |
12:54.58 | vbgunz | damn, I had high hopes for 5 and I honestly thought you were on a much older version |
12:55.04 | Tuju | that's healthy by kde standards. |
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12:56.49 | Tuju | but moving messages seems to be too much these days. |
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12:57.36 | Tuju | old kde used to react while aborting tasks from those progress bar buttons pretty well, now kde4 doesn't. |
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12:58.07 | Markus_KMi | instead of ranting all day, use that time to package http://dilfridge.blogspot.de/2015/07/kdepim-without-akonadi.html for you distribution |
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12:58.49 | Tuju | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1253282 |
12:59.12 | Markus_KMi | do it yourself |
12:59.22 | Tuju | as you can see, the KDE man, rex showered some cold water on it already. |
12:59.37 | vbgunz | Markus_KMi: I don't think I'm ranting. More like making an observation you may not agree with. |
12:59.40 | Tuju | and when it comes to ranting, it has its value. |
12:59.50 | Tuju | vbgunz: I am. |
13:00.00 | Tuju | and I'm good at it. |
13:00.31 | Tuju | hell, I'm your worst nightmare when it comes pushing crappy solutioions into stable release. |
13:01.09 | vbgunz | heh |
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13:01.41 | Markus_KMi | set up a repo, package it yourself, be a hero to all affected by that bug |
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13:02.44 | Tuju | I was that hero back then when they were designing akonadi. For some design features we told NO, DON'T. They didn't listen. |
13:03.45 | Markus_KMi | a hero is not someone who tries to order people around. a hero is someone who solves issues himself |
13:03.45 | vbgunz | I think the real hero should probably be the people that decide if kmail should ship or not. it's obviously not ready. it's really not ready :( |
13:03.46 | Tuju | Markus_KMi: but that said, I'm with you, that noakonadi should land into fedora. |
13:04.58 | Markus_KMi | I never wrote it should land in Fedora, I said you could take the time you use for ranting to accomplish to package it yourself in your own repo |
13:05.24 | Tuju | I don't "package to my own repo". it's waste of time. |
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13:06.21 | vbgunz | Tuju: I wouldn't trust your repo for my very personal and sensitive emails either :( |
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13:06.58 | Markus_KMi | Tuju: Why would it be a waste of time? |
13:07.11 | Tuju | it's not about trust, it's about productive use of scarce hacking hours in community project. |
13:07.13 | BlaXpirit | what vbgunz said, for one |
13:07.16 | Markus_KMi | you obviously are willig to waste that time ranting |
13:07.33 | Tuju | Markus_KMi: I'm. |
13:08.10 | Tuju | Markus_KMi: are you willing to sweep state of matters under the carpet? |
13:11.00 | Markus_KMi | how do you even come to the insane conclusion, your laziness to learn packaging has something to so with carpet sweeping? |
13:11.33 | Tuju | sorry, i missed the part where we discussed about my packaging skills. |
13:11.34 | Markus_KMi | I'm simply not affected by that bug |
13:11.56 | Markus_KMi | that's why I have no interest in packaging old KMail versions |
13:12.49 | Tuju | you meant 'working KMail versions', did you? |
13:14.01 | Markus_KMi | the current KMail release works fine for me |
13:14.02 | vbgunz | Markus_KMi: you think it's acceptable that perhaps 1 app of the top 3 apps on any machine on any OS ships broken, this is OK? if someone or several people agree, you tell them to package it themselves? |
13:14.24 | Tuju | Markus_KMi: that's the spirit. It works for me. |
13:15.53 | Markus_KMi | vbgunz: Why would it not be OK to package another version of an application yourself. You do understand that this is a DIY community project, right? |
13:16.12 | vbgunz | everything is DIY |
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13:16.43 | Tuju | Markus_KMi: being community project, you're attacking its members instead of working with them. |
13:16.54 | Tuju | join our ranting effort! |
13:17.07 | Basstard` | Akonadi :( |
13:17.11 | Markus_KMi | you're attacking community members. |
13:17.53 | Tuju | Markus_KMi: I said that first, you cannot use it anymore. |
13:18.05 | vbgunz | Markus_KMi: no, just kmail :( |
13:18.24 | Markus_KMi | "14:39 <Tuju> if one is idiot, it won't change even he tags release in scm." |
13:18.40 | vbgunz | Markus_KMi: it's nice that you want to protect the project. I feel very strongly and the same way but a spade is a spade. Kmail is broken :( |
13:18.49 | Markus_KMi | let alone the broken grammer, that is calling the KMail release manager in itiot |
13:18.50 | Tuju | Markus_KMi: which part of that you don't understand, I can elaborate that any time. |
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13:19.47 | Markus_KMi | two people ranting already instead of packaging kdepim-noakonadi ... |
13:19.51 | Tuju | Markus_KMi: haven't met she/him in person so I'm judging solely by her/his actions. |
13:20.31 | Tuju | quoting the general KDE line: "only code | coding matters!" |
13:21.04 | Markus_KMi | than code a specfile for kdepim-noakonadi |
13:21.24 | Tuju | Markus_KMi: why are you defeding crappy end result? I don't get that. |
13:21.26 | Tuju | +n |
13:21.38 | Tuju | ah, sorry forgot. It works for you. |
13:22.29 | Markus_KMi | I'm not defending anything. unlike you I just offer a solution that would work for you. you are just too lazy to act |
13:22.39 | mitch0 | +1000 for axing akonadi :) |
13:23.06 | Markus_KMi | free market capitalism: Pay me and I'll package it for you |
13:23.12 | Tuju | Markus_KMi: you forgot that this is a user channel. If you suggest coding / hacking solution, do that somewhere ending -devel. |
13:23.24 | Markus_KMi | don't pay be, I say "Do it yourself" |
13:23.39 | Tuju | Markus_KMi: if you can't cope end user feedback, this channel is not for you. |
13:24.13 | vbgunz | Markus_KMi: you know what's funny? theres an old saying of don't argue with a fool. you're ranting about ranting which by default makes you the bad guy :( |
13:24.16 | Markus_KMi | I'm pretty sure insulting KDE devs is not permitted here. |
13:24.27 | Tuju | and for the record, I hold my right to choose am I end user for some particular piece of code or do i join developers. thank you. |
13:24.48 | tosky | Tuju: you stated your position multiple times, so stop now |
13:25.19 | tosky | Tuju: if I understand it correctly, you are using PostgreSQL, which is definitely less tested and supported; but you forget report this detail every time |
13:25.48 | Tuju | tosky: I used my mouse to configure my kmail+akonadi. Should i swing it somehow differently? |
13:26.08 | tosky | Tuju: mysql |
13:26.23 | Tuju | this is, after all - let's not forget that - a Graphical User Interface for computers. |
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13:28.18 | Tuju | tosky: that brings up the old issue, if I say that _don't_, some devs do it anyway. |
13:28.54 | Tuju | when it comes to configuring your backend, you could have gone to #postgresql and ask how, but someone just had to do it their way. |
13:29.08 | Tuju | the akonadi way. |
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13:29.49 | Tuju | well, had to admit that they laugh at you on #postgresql so it's undestandable that you don't go there. |
13:30.09 | Tuju | at least they did when we talked about akonadi there last time. |
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13:31.16 | vbgunz | I'd just love to see a working stable kmail. I loved the options and control I had when it worked. Unfortunately it broke more than any user should ever have to put up with. I stopped using it years ago because of the problems Tuju is experiencing today :( |
13:31.27 | xmorph | does new Kopete-15 works with facebook chat? |
13:31.39 | Tuju | xmorph: didn't that get buried already? |
13:31.49 | tosky | vbgunz: the problem you experienced years ago are different than the ones you are experiencing today; if you used it years ago, try it again |
13:32.27 | tosky | xmorph: a) Kopete 15, do you mean Kopete from Applications 15.08? b) Facebook does not support anymore external API for chat, you need to go to the website for the chat |
13:32.30 | mitch0 | yeah, at least nepomuk was killed since then |
13:32.48 | tosky | mitch0: desktop search was not killed, it evolved |
13:32.50 | vbgunz | tosky: email is very important to me. I'm honestly afraid to try it especially considering that Tuju's problems in his screenshot appear identical to what I've experienced |
13:33.00 | xmorph | tosky: crap... i must use pidgin then |
13:33.12 | tosky | xmorph: I suspect it won't work |
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13:33.33 | tosky | vbgunz: I use it with my company account, 3 GB of emails |
13:33.48 | xmorph | tosky: it works with this https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook |
13:33.51 | mitch0 | tosky: yeah, I'd love to see this whole semantic desktop thing shot down, but I'd be happy if it were _completely_ optional at least |
13:34.03 | mitch0 | (not build-time optional as it is now) |
13:34.25 | Tuju | vbgunz: note that I said that problem is now probably in between kmail <---- ipc ----> akonadi, that has nothing to do with A's backend. But that was tosky's relevant point. |
13:34.36 | tosky | mitch0: it's lighter than you really think, and it's a generic search system which is used elsewhere, so no reason to disable it at build time |
13:35.30 | mitch0 | tosky: yes, I understand. I just _do not want it_. unfortunately with the current packaging I can't have it not installed... |
13:35.47 | mitch0 | I wouldn't mind some libbaloo thing installed that'd just bail out if no baloo database is found |
13:35.48 | Tuju | funny thing is that akonadi was meant to be a cache, but in reality it's slowing things down compared to direct IMAP connection. |
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13:36.00 | mitch0 | but presently I have to have baloo with all its indexers installed |
13:36.00 | tosky | mitch0: well, it's exactly like this now |
13:36.03 | Markus_KMi | mitch0: "semantic desktop" is dead since a while and not even part of Plasma 5. you seem to live under a rock ;) |
13:36.16 | Jucato | http://vhanda.in/blog/2015/03/the-semantic-desktop-is-dead/ |
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13:36.43 | mitch0 | Markus_KMi: so why is baloo a hard dependency of dolphin and gwenview then? |
13:36.56 | Markus_KMi | baloo is not semantic |
13:37.28 | mitch0 | well, it still managed to eat all my cpuz :) |
13:38.08 | mitch0 | & |
13:38.40 | Markus_KMi | and what's the relation to Semantic Search? |
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13:40.16 | vbgunz | talking about baloo. search hasn't worked for me for a little while now, been meaning to report a bug but wanted to know if it was or a misconfiguration perhaps. is search working for you guys on 5.4? honestly, not that you remember it workning but opening dolphin right now and searching (5.4) does it work? |
13:42.49 | Tuju | mitch0: i second that. |
13:42.53 | tosky | vbgunz: if Dolphin comes from Applications 15.08, it should work (I can't test now) |
13:43.12 | vbgunz | tosky: so it did stop at some point and was addressed? |
13:43.27 | vbgunz | on F22 with update-testing and plasma-5-beta, search does nothing |
13:43.28 | Tuju | If you're not running a mainframe under your desktop, words baloo and nepomuk are swearwords. |
13:43.50 | Tuju | those both are killing the trees and making eletric lines glow red in dark. |
13:44.03 | Markus_KMi | you guys should stop breaking the back-ends all the time. |
13:44.08 | MoonUnit` | search is working for me atm |
13:44.11 | Tuju | for what? I've no idea, never needed either. |
13:44.27 | vbgunz | MoonUnit`: on 5.4? |
13:44.35 | MoonUnit` | yup |
13:44.42 | tosky | vbgunz: Dolphin from Applications 15.08 is the first version based on Frameworks 5, while previously it was still based on kdelibs4, and I *think* few libraries were not packaged in the previous version, which could have produced a non-working dolphin (on F22) |
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13:45.13 | tosky | Tuju: please stop; baloo crunches a bit on the first run, then you don't notice it at all |
13:45.20 | vbgunz | my dolphin version says 15.04 |
13:45.34 | Tuju | tosky: should i stop everyone else here too? |
13:45.38 | tosky | vbgunz: so it's the kdelibs4-based, you can check the dependency |
13:46.04 | tosky | Tuju: no need to answer with another question; you made your point clear; repeating is just a pointless rant |
13:46.22 | Tuju | I never felt that it's pointless. |
13:46.33 | vbgunz | hopefully soon enough 15.08 will come down. I am using plasma-5-beta so hopefully sooner than later |
13:47.11 | tosky | vbgunz: people are working on that right now (on Fedora), please wait few days |
13:47.13 | Tuju | tosky: after I started, see how many have joined and opening up their feelings. |
13:47.37 | Tuju | hell, we're all sw architecs now. At least trying. :) |
13:47.50 | tosky | Tuju: except the conditions are not always the same |
13:47.55 | Tuju | and all I wanted to do is to open my emails. |
13:48.33 | Tuju | tosky: indeed. not sure how did we end up like this. |
13:48.52 | Markus_KMi | instead you tried to tweak back-ends all the time and now blame others for your misconfig |
13:49.34 | Tuju | Markus_KMi: i wrote a server name into configuration and did CREATE DATABASE as required. Wouldn't call it 'tweaking' per se. |
13:49.45 | vbgunz | I am curious, do any surveys exist at all that ask for regular user feedback on apps like kmail? asking questions like "is it stable, 1 through 5", would you recommend it "1 through 5"? I wonder what that would look like if users were honest and dropped their zealotry at the door. |
13:49.59 | Tuju | but yes, it's a matter of opionion, I admit that. |
13:50.26 | tosky | Tuju: is this configuration coming from an older version of akonadi? |
13:50.54 | Tuju | tosky: hmm... I did start kde use back 1997, so the answer is yes? |
13:51.03 | Markus_KMi | by default, nodody needs to enter a database name for anything. you broke something. it's your fault, not anybody else's |
13:51.29 | Tuju | tosky: but yes, I've hosed everything kde related many times, with my data as nothing worked. |
13:51.51 | tosky | Tuju: that's not what I asked, as 1997 there was no akonadi |
13:52.04 | Tuju | because KDE saves a lot of data into .kde dirs and all deves request rm -f that because configs are there too. |
13:52.07 | tosky | Tuju: when did you "did CREATE DATABASE as required" ? |
13:52.29 | tosky | s/KDE saves/KDE applications saved/ |
13:52.37 | Tuju | tosky: not sure, I've hosed everything quite few times. |
13:52.50 | Tuju | I quess the database was empty once I CREATED it. |
13:53.03 | Tuju | or do you mean something in particular outside that? |
13:53.23 | Markus_KMi | funny how the guy, frequently breaking everything, is calling others idiots⦠|
13:53.47 | Tuju | I ask that BECAUSE kde sprays its configs all around the dotdirs - around the data files of many its apps. |
13:55.30 | Tuju | tosky: my laptop that has older version of 4.x kde, is still working with akonadi. something reacently has changed that broked the desktop ipc. |
13:55.30 | Markus_KMi | and you did that wrong. your fault. stick to defaults and all works fine |
13:56.15 | Tuju | Markus_KMi: you're effectively proposing that I should start forcing you to use postgresql. |
13:56.18 | tosky | Markus_KMi: please stop as well, you are not doing it better |
13:56.47 | tosky | Tuju: KDE *applications* writes the configuration around, just like any other applications; the difference was that KDE applications used .kde/ as base, which is not true anymore from Frameworks |
13:56.50 | Tuju | tosky: I second that, he should sharpen his sarcasm. :) |
13:57.20 | Tuju | tosky: I don't question that at all. I do question the common medicine, rm -rf .kde. |
13:57.46 | Tuju | I try to use all apps and there is my work realated stuff there. why would anyone want to hose that? |
13:57.51 | tosky | Tuju: it's not a medicine, even this channel says it (see the topic) |
13:57.55 | Markus_KMi | <PROTECTED> |
13:58.01 | Markus_KMi | learn to read |
13:58.13 | Tuju | ouch, that was one under belt. |
13:58.34 | tosky | a developer could ask to try to temporarily move the settings or try with a clean configuration for comparison, not to remove that |
13:59.07 | MoonUnit` | easier to set up a new user and wipe those settings for testing. |
13:59.15 | Tuju | tosky: i still think akonadi is working this time, kmail process looses its connection to it. |
14:00.23 | tosky | Tuju: uhm, it should be possible to check this; if akonadi is working and retrieving emails, you should see it from akonadiconsole |
14:00.52 | Tuju | tosky: I do. But kmail hangs. I can't open or move 'em. |
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14:01.46 | Tuju | and I think kmail rpm checksums will match if I check them. |
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14:02.54 | Tuju | now i started kmail from konsole, it works. I expect it to loose the conn after a while as usual. |
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14:05.28 | Basstard` | Most of the clever grand ideas of how to integrate things to make it all better usually end up .. the other way around. |
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14:12.43 | JyZyXEL | how do you elevate yourself to root in dolphin? |
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14:13.40 | Fuchs | JyZyXEL: you should not. If you really have good reasons, you can run it with kdesu(do) |
14:14.10 | JyZyXEL | accessing files under /root/ kind of requires it |
14:14.54 | Fuchs | well yes, the question is why you need to access these, basically :p |
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14:16.22 | BlaXpirit | JyZyXEL, kdesu(do) is OK |
14:16.35 | JyZyXEL | its opens a totally different dolphin |
14:16.51 | BlaXpirit | i see no reason why /root/ would ever be not empty |
14:16.54 | Fuchs | well yes, it takes the settings from root, then |
14:16.57 | Markus_KMi | yes, root's Dolphin |
14:17.23 | BlaXpirit | well, linux mint did one useful thing |
14:17.26 | JyZyXEL | id rather have My dolphin elevated to root permissions |
14:17.28 | Fuchs | BlaXpirit: I see plenty, but no reason to access the files |
14:17.29 | BlaXpirit | it has a whole "root actions" menu |
14:17.41 | Fuchs | JyZyXEL: you can't in a sane way. What are you actually trying to do with the files? |
14:17.59 | BlaXpirit | (menu in dolphin rightclick) |
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14:18.19 | Fuchs | JyZyXEL: for move / copy actions it would be somewhat trivial to write context menu entries, some of these already exist. If you want to edit them, you should run the actual application (e.g. text editor) as root, but that I recommend as much as running dolphin as root (not) |
14:19.21 | JyZyXEL | ok so if i browse to /etc/ and want to edit a config file? |
14:19.39 | JyZyXEL | most are root:root or something like that |
14:19.49 | jaggzt | if I copy to clipboard (ctrl-c), that's still overwritten with a mouse-selection (in, say, my webbrowser) |
14:19.55 | Fuchs | I personally would do that on a console with a console application, but if you prefer something graphical: start kate / kwrite via kdesudo, then open that file |
14:19.57 | jaggzt | can that be configured somewhere? |
14:20.26 | Fuchs | but you can also add a "edit file as root" action to dolphin (which basically does that, but you can browse for them in dolphin) |
14:20.28 | JyZyXEL | having mouse selection override the clipboard sure is annoying |
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14:28.27 | BlaXpirit | jaggzt, sure |
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14:28.48 | BlaXpirit | (unless that setting was "accidentally" "forgotten" since 4.x) |
14:29.37 | jaggzt | JyZyXEL, yeah.. i very often will select and paste over it.. but that's kinda useless |
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14:30.21 | JyZyXEL | put something on the clipboard and then select where to paste it |
14:30.31 | JyZyXEL | but the act of selecting ruins the clipboard \:D/ |
14:31.48 | Markus_KMi | then turn it off |
14:31.57 | vbgunz | OK, I set up Kmail. It's been a very long time since I've used it. If it works even for a week without running into problems I'll be seriously impressed |
14:32.07 | BlaXpirit | jaggzt, just go to settings, ignore selection |
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14:32.45 | Markus_KMi | vbgunz: software without bugs does not exist. never. nowhere. |
14:32.51 | JyZyXEL | selection can be turned off? |
14:33.01 | BlaXpirit | somehow Klipper didnt lose any features in plasma 5 :O |
14:34.33 | jaggzt | BlaXpirit, I like selection.. but usually there's a mouse-clipboard and an a kb one |
14:34.52 | BlaXpirit | jaggzt, yes, that's how it's always been on my computer |
14:35.08 | BlaXpirit | i dont remember how the default setting works anymore |
14:35.15 | BlaXpirit | but it sure isn't sane |
14:35.50 | jaggzt | ignore selection is not checkoffabble |
14:36.06 | jaggzt | (greyed out) |
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14:36.24 | jaggzt | oh.. that's because "synchronize contents of the clipboard and the selection" is checked |
14:36.40 | BlaXpirit | jaggzt, which is exactly what you don't want |
14:36.46 | BlaXpirit | looking at settings is nice sometimes |
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14:37.24 | jaggzt | yeah.. I was thinking it was some KDE thing not a klipper thing.. so I asked but then realized "ahh.. lemme investigate clipper" |
14:37.51 | JyZyXEL | klipper has the synchronization setting |
14:37.57 | jaggzt | still didn't notice those actual settings.. got distracted with some other klipper stuff |
14:40.36 | mitch0 | I killed klipper some years ago when it went bollocks. didn't really miss it since then |
14:41.04 | JyZyXEL | its not uncommon for it to freeze and stop working for a while |
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16:26.12 | SaveTheRobots | hi, i'm having a problem with kmail, my gmail/self-hosted IMAP accounts work but i can't get my office 365 via IMAP account to work, it just sits at "Syncing folder 'Inbox'" (0%) until i manually cancel it |
16:26.36 | SaveTheRobots | does kmail have anything in the way of verbose logging i could check for errors with? i can't seem to find much online :( |
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16:53.11 | jaggzt | how do you paste, with kb, the mouse selection? |
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16:53.51 | BlaXpirit | jaggzt, well, since you just disabled synchronization, you can't |
16:54.33 | BlaXpirit | but then again, you can make a hotkey that runs xsel |
16:54.38 | BlaXpirit | jaggzt, |
16:55.05 | BlaXpirit | literally just `xsel` without any arguments pastes mouse selection |
16:55.37 | BlaXpirit | and it doesn't steal focus like the middle click would, which is also very nice |
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17:05.05 | vHanda_ | mitch0: Tuju: If you guys are having any specific problems with Baloo please file a bug report, I'll get back to you. Though I have heard many complaints about Dolphin + Baloo not working in Fedora. They probably did not package it correctly. |
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17:23.30 | jaggzt | BlaXpirit, neat |
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17:35.20 | hololeap | is there an equivilent to `kdesu` in kde 5? |
17:35.50 | hololeap | *equivalent |
17:37.03 | tosky | hololeap: uhm, doesn't "kdesu applicationname" work in krunner? |
17:37.29 | hololeap | tosky: no, i'm getting "bash: kdesu: command not found" |
17:37.43 | tosky | hololeap: from krunner or from bash? |
17:37.45 | hololeap | wait, in krunner? |
17:37.48 | tosky | yes |
17:38.37 | hololeap | i don't think so. i have the command typed in and i'm hitting enter, but nothing's popping up |
17:38.48 | hololeap | i'm trying to do `kdesu unetbootin` |
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17:39.01 | hololeap | `su unetbootin` works btw |
17:39.14 | hololeap | so maybe kdesu isn't necessary for it |
17:39.20 | tosky | uhm, I can't test with plasma 5 now |
17:39.39 | hololeap | i was just wondering if maybe it moved to a certain package |
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17:51.39 | SonikkuAmerica | Hey guys! I see the latest KDE SC supports single-point touch events (much thanks)... will it ever support multitouch? (i.e. is it a planned feature in KDE?) |
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19:15.42 | Markus_KMi | "19:51 <SonikkuAmerica> Hey guys! I see the latest KDE SC supports single-point touch events (much thanks)... will it ever support multitouch? (i.e. is it a planned feature in KDE?)" âConsidering that there is the Plasma Mobile project with paid developers working on it, I'm rather confident that there will be full multitouch support in a future release |
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19:18.27 | monty_hall | just switch to kde |
19:18.37 | monty_hall | the font's in my pidge (gtk) look small |
19:18.42 | monty_hall | how can I fix this? |
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19:19.35 | monty_hall | I can tell you I already like the fact kde doesn't stick to screen edges |
19:19.40 | monty_hall | ubuntu was driving me crazy |
19:19.55 | monty_hall | not cool on multi heads |
19:21.45 | Markus_KMi | well, the screen sticking thing is configurable here |
19:23.37 | Markus_KMi | as for GTK: Usually GTK applications should use the KDE settings... |
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19:26.01 | monty_hall | the fonts look all antialiased |
19:26.09 | monty_hall | in fact the fonts are generally crappy |
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19:26.21 | monty_hall | I thought there was a tweak that you can do |
19:26.29 | monty_hall | as it is, I can barely read my pidgin text |
19:26.39 | Markus_KMi | so all fonts don't look great, not just the GTK ones? |
19:26.40 | monty_hall | this wasn't an issure under ubuntu/unity |
19:26.57 | monty_hall | elicpse looks bad |
19:26.59 | monty_hall | pidgin looks bad |
19:27.05 | monty_hall | I presume they're all using gtk |
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19:27.14 | Markus_KMi | but Qt apps are OK? |
19:27.39 | monty_hall | yes, I'd say |
19:27.41 | madmanwithabox | I'm on plasma 5, and I noticed there isn't a "Folder View" Activitiy |
19:27.45 | madmanwithabox | how do I get that? |
19:27.48 | Markus_KMi | Those are my settings https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cx2e8JGW/13.png |
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19:28.45 | Markus_KMi | madmanwithabox: It's here. The Plasma Folder View widgets has to be installed for that. |
19:30.20 | madmanwithabox | not the folder widget, the seperate activity Markuus_KMi |
19:30.52 | Markus_KMi | madmanwithabox: I understand but the widget also provides the desktop type |
19:31.35 | madmanwithabox | <PROTECTED> |
19:31.45 | madmanwithabox | but still no folder view activity |
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19:32.12 | Markus_KMi | madmanwithabox: First option https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3yhoV27D/16.png |
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19:32.48 | madmanwithabox | Ohh, Thanks! |
19:33.31 | Markus_KMi | monty_hall: Do you have the kcm-gtk package (or similar name, this is the Fedora one) installed? |
19:33.44 | monty_hall | adjusted the fonts |
19:33.50 | Markus_KMi | execute kcmshell4 gtk |
19:33.50 | monty_hall | little large, but I'll tweak |
19:34.00 | monty_hall | I recall I've always had a problem w/ stock kde fonts |
19:34.34 | monty_hall | the dev's must have good eyesight because the fonts are always pretty darn tiny out of the box. |
19:34.36 | Markus_KMi | I always tweak fonts. no matter which OS :D |
19:35.08 | Markus_KMi | there is no one-size-fits-all solution. it depends on the screen ets |
19:35.13 | Markus_KMi | *etc |
19:35.49 | Markus_KMi | personally I'm a fan of Clear Sans for everything but monospace fonts. for monospace I use Source Code Pro |
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19:38.29 | Markus_KMi | As you can see in my screenshot size of 9 points everythere |
19:40.43 | madmanwithabox | Okay, I have another question, where is the workspace switcher? |
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19:53.40 | monty_hall | wierd behavior |
19:53.46 | monty_hall | hitting delete in eclipse no longer works |
19:53.52 | monty_hall | I have to restart |
19:53.54 | monty_hall | why is this happening |
19:54.28 | monty_hall | well. switching back to unity turn off sticky edges :P |
19:54.39 | monty_hall | it's a gtk world |
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19:54.56 | Markus_KMi | Eclipse is Java, not GTK |
19:54.58 | madmanwithabox | Why don't newly installed plasmoids show up in the add widgets menu? |
19:55.08 | madmanwithabox | am I doing something wrong? |
19:55.17 | madmanwithabox | When I use pacman to install widgets, they show up |
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19:55.33 | madmanwithabox | but not when I'm using the plasma app to install widgets |
19:55.46 | Markus_KMi | madmanwithabox: No idea. I only installed a single additional widget and it showed up ⦠|
19:56.41 | madmanwithabox | I also filed a bug report here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352366 |
19:56.47 | madmanwithabox | not too discriptive, i know |
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20:02.59 | Flory | hello |
20:02.59 | Flory | a friend and me are creating a new opensource pixel animator and editor called PixelCayman |
20:02.59 | Flory | in qt5 and c++, aimed to be more customizable, with more features and basically better animation layers/frames than existing ones |
20:02.59 | Flory | https://github.com/mbasaglia/PixelCayman |
20:02.59 | Flory | https://openhatch.org/projects/PixelCayman |
20:03.01 | Flory | join our channel is #PixelCayman here on freenode |
20:03.30 | Flory | we're in need of some help, so if you're interested, or just want to stay tunned join the channel :) |
20:04.00 | Flory | sry if it's off-topic |
20:04.00 | Flory | but kde-chat is almost empty ^^ |
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20:07.45 | Markus_KMi | Flory: We had worse posts here today ;) |
20:07.58 | Flory | lol |
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20:09.13 | Markus_KMi | Flory: I think the Calligra guys and gals may be a better target audience than the general kde chat |
20:10.02 | Flory | cool, thx Markus_KMi :3 |
20:12.50 | kde__pepo | Flory, shouldn't you use the scene graph instead of QGraphicsView? |
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20:23.25 | Flory | sry, was away |
20:23.25 | Flory | kde__pepo |
20:23.25 | Flory | we're not using qt quick |
20:23.25 | Flory | we're using qt widgets |
20:23.26 | Flory | anyways my friend is who's programming it ^^ |
20:23.27 | Flory | I'm doing more arty stuff :D |
20:23.28 | Flory | if you want, you could join the channel and ask him |
20:23.29 | Flory | or not :D I'll still can answer some things :3 |
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20:25.17 | Flory | ask him programming related things* |
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20:29.48 | Giraffe_ | is it possible to write plasmoids with JS? I found a few references/tutorials but they were removed/empty... |
20:29.59 | hololeap | in kde/plasma 5, is there a way to set up window rules so they can enable/disable certain desktop effects? |
20:30.39 | hololeap | i've noticed that the fade effect causes issues with yakuake, but i want to leave compositing enabled on it |
20:30.58 | BlaXpirit | Giraffe_, i think js is used in all plasmoids now |
20:31.36 | Markus_KMi | hololeap: What issues? |
20:31.38 | Giraffe_ | BlaXpirit: I checked out https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma5 but the tutorials just give me a 404-equivalent |
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20:32.21 | BlaXpirit | Giraffe_, blue links all work |
20:32.46 | Giraffe_ | sorry, javascript*-related links on the entire site |
20:32.52 | Giraffe_ | or theyre outdated |
20:33.18 | Giraffe_ | found one! |
20:33.19 | hololeap | Markus_KMi: the focus acts really funky, like when it appears it doesn't have focus unless the mouse is off of where the window appears. the only way to get focus back is to click on another window and then click back on the yakuake screen |
20:33.23 | Markus_KMi | Giraffe_: https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma2/QML2/API |
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20:33.56 | hololeap | Markus_KMi: i tried every combination of focus stealing prevention options, but nothing worked. oddly turning off compositing with alt+shift+f12 made it work correctly |
20:34.25 | hololeap | Markus_KMi: also it doesn't slide down with compositing on, it fades in. i have a feeling its the fade effect that's messing it up |
20:34.31 | Markus_KMi | weird. it's working fine here⦠|
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20:35.02 | Markus_KMi | it slides in and fades at the same time. focus is correct |
20:35.54 | Markus_KMi | using some kf4-based "2.9.9+" version here |
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20:37.37 | hololeap | Markus_KMi: i'm running from the live builds on gentoo, so that might be why |
20:40.54 | hololeap | actually it's the sliding popups effect |
20:41.10 | hololeap | that seems to be causing the issue. if i turn that off then it works correctly |
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21:21.01 | w00t2 | hello, is there any known issue with KMail "Run selected filter(s) on" function? |
21:21.28 | w00t2 | from what I see, this setting is not saved and filter is executed against all folders |
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22:12.14 | madmanwithabox | Hi guys |
22:12.29 | madmanwithabox | What happened to the workspace switcher widget? |
22:12.36 | madmanwithabox | in plasma 5 |
22:12.39 | madmanwithabox | it's not there |
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22:31.46 | redeyedman | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352405 |
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22:52.07 | tosky | redeyedman: KDE Workspaces 4.11 won't have new releases |
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22:53.57 | redeyedman | then that report is useless |
22:54.59 | redeyedman | at least I disabled blur now |
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