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00:06.53Markus_KMiFernandos: Trolling?
00:07.21FernandosMarkus_KMi: No! This was a serious question, I looked up on kde.org before I asked the question.
00:07.45Markus_KMiright… https://www.kde.org/announcements/
00:08.34Markus_KMi"Latest Announcements" – directly on the front page
00:08.55FernandosI checked that of course. There is no mention of final/beta/alpha/stable
00:09.26Markus_KMihttps://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.3.95.php says "Beta"
00:09.43FernandosHow can you blame the user, if the site is simply not obvious? Check https://www.kernel.org/ there you see asap what version is what
00:10.39Markus_KMithe site is obvious in this regard, you either didn't bother to scrol down a few lines or you are trolling…
00:10.47FernandosMarkus_KMi: well, Sho_ said the 5.4.1 is final. how can 5.3.95 be beta?
00:11.12Markus_KMithe page says so
00:11.32Markus_KMi5.3.95 = "5.4 beta"
00:11.46Markus_KMinot that hard to understand
00:13.18Markus_KMieven this channel's topic is "KDE Plasma 5.4 and KDE Applications 15.08 are out"
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00:13.46Sho_Fernandos: the .9x numbers are specially numbers for the alphas and betas of the next stable release
00:14.05FernandosMarkus_KMi: read my question, I asked if it's alpha/beta or stable.. meh
00:14.19Markus_KMiis latest release is stable. meh.
00:14.25Fernandoshow can one know that when you're not involved into the project like you maybe
00:14.43Sho_Yeah Markus_KMi I think you're being unnecessarily aggressive here
00:14.44Markus_KMiit does not say "beta" therefore it's not beta
00:16.28Markus_KMikernel.org calls their beta versions "release candidate", btw. hardly better than kde.org
00:16.44FernandosThere is a new feature called "show overview page". What does that do? For me it just shows the desktop..
00:17.05Sho_I'm not familiar with that feature
00:17.31Sho_Markus_KMi: Gentoo once changed the version of their package manager from 2.2_rc99 to 2.2-alpha1, exploiting that - sorts after _
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00:17.44FernandosTalking about the menu that opens when you click the little badge on the desktop
00:18.35Sho_Fernandos: Do you mean "Show Dashboard"? That was in Plasma 4 too, it's basically a layer you can place widgets on that can be pulled over things
00:19.09Sho_Although I think in Plasma 5 it might actually just show the Desktop layer and move the windows away ... hmm dunno
00:19.11Sho_I don't use it
00:20.21FernandosSho_: Hah.. maybe that's what it is! I was used to know that as Dashboard, now it's probably also translated
00:21.17FernandosI kinda get Activities altough I've never used it, but I don't understand howto use Dashboard. It just darkens everything except the widgets that are already on my desktop
00:22.21Fernandosactivities are for people who want different sets of virtual desktops per 'activity' I think
00:22.29Fernandosand widgets^
00:22.52Sho_yeo
00:22.57Sho_*yep
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00:34.08FernandosPlasma 5 really looks professional btw. I'm just sad you can't have different sets of widgets per desktop anymore. I really enjoyed having a different folder per desktop
00:34.22FernandosAnd wallpaper^
00:35.31FernandosThat was what made the big difference between gnome and kde for me. Gnome always restricted you to one wallpaper
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05:26.39guser1hi. How to change the icon size of panel-starters/launchers: as you see in that screenshot: or I want to get the libreoffice icon smaller, or the other icons bigger. : http://snag.gy/k2sdR.jpg      How?
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07:38.39lordievaderGood morning.
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08:14.23ZaisterI have a weird phenomenon on my KDE desktop: the whole panel reacts very slowly, task switching takes seconds, and even the launcher behaves strange: the applications page shows "applications updated" and doesn't let me access any entrys. The alternative aluncher (cascaded menus) doen\t work either, the menus don't appear, and the whole thing flickers weirdly. Any idea what might be going on there?
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08:20.43hussamZaister: hi. did you by any chance update to kservice 5.14.2 recently?
08:20.50hussamif so, update to 5.14.3
08:20.54Zaisterthat is quite possible
08:20.56ZaisterI will check
08:21.38ZaisterIt seems I have just updated to 5.14.3
08:21.59Zaisterso I guess I need to relogin
08:22.04hussamyes
08:22.25Zaisterok thanks,I"ll jut check that out
08:25.36Zaistervery nice, it works again, thanks forpointing that out
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09:15.39hallmanHello.. I just switched to plasma 5, and I'm having issues replacing kwin. Before I would just set the KDEWM env var, but now I'm not sure where to do that. The system setting panel has an option, but it's greyed out for some reason. Any ideas?
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09:20.14leszekhallman: I think it isn't possible for now yet. Maybe you can force to replace the window manager but if it is greyed out it isn't supported yet I guess
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09:21.00hallmanleszek: Any idea how I could try forcing it?
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09:22.57leszekhallman: only on runtime with killing kwin and starting another window manager. Or use a window manager that has a --replace parameter to replace the current window manager
09:23.22hallmanleszek: Ah I see.. thanks!
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09:25.56leszekhallman: tried it with icewm that worked fine here. Though some icons in the taskbar changed their icon size. So it might be the reason why this feature isn't activated yet
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09:38.20hallmanleszek: Changing to xmonad seems to have worked alright as well. Do you know where I can add this "xmonad --replace" to execute automatically at startup?
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09:39.14leszekYou could create a script and add it to the autostart entries. Though I never tested this.
09:42.16hallmanOh jebus.. more problems cropping up.. is there any way I can just mess with the kde session's environment variables? Most importatly I want to edit PATH
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09:55.19hallmanEqually important, I'd like to change LANG.. my konsole look all wonky :(
09:56.46hallman~/.config/plasma-workspace/env! I searched there before, hm..
09:57.04leszekI am not sure what problem you have with it. But of course you can set variables in the env directory and a simple shell script. The env directory is now located under ~/.config/plasma-workspace
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10:00.14hallmanleszek: thanks, I think I got everything in order after all.. :) Plus some minor annoyances from plasma4 are gone, so that's nice. (Replaced with what new annoyances, I wonder..)
10:01.58hallmanKonsole still isn't responding to mouse events past column 256, that one is kinda ridiculous :p
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10:07.58leszekhallman: what do you mean exactly ? It works here. So I can for example copy stuff from line 1 even after 400 new lines in the output of konsole
10:08.47leszekbtw. which version of plasma 5 do you have installed ?
10:09.05leszekor which version of konsole ?
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10:44.31prillian5does KDE need mysql by default?
10:48.00hallmanleszek: sorry for delay, lunch time. The issue is with columns, not lines. Just hold down a key for a while to fill a line (on a wide screen), now try to select text on the far right of the konsole.
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10:48.20eplightningprillian5: akonadi does but it's only required if you use KDEPIM applications
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10:48.32hallmanleszek: Plasma version 5.4.1 and konsole 15.08.1
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10:54.57lord_robHi! I have a dual screen config. My main screen (left) is a Samsung LED which works correctly, my right screen is a iiyama CRT which I don't power on everytime. With KDE4 I had to go to systemsettings to enable it, set it to the correct position and give it the correct resolution/refresh rate. Here with plasma 5.4.1 the resolution/refresh rate of my right monitor cannot be changed, I'm stuck with an awful 1024*768@60Hz. How to fix that?
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11:02.59lord_robhttp://imgur.com/ezTNU4f
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11:04.47lord_robon refresh rate (taux de rafraichissement) I have only 60Hz
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11:16.54duser8how to set password when using KRDC via a link? e.g.  krdc 192.168.56.100 --password 123   ?
11:18.32poboikoduser8: try krdc username:password@192.168.56.100
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11:21.43duser8poboiko: perfekt.. thank you so much. do you also have a paramter for fullscreen?
11:22.28poboikoduser8: yep, from "krdc --help" it seems like --fullscreen is the option you need :)
11:24.14duser8poboiko: --help... OMG... I just tried "man krdc"... what did not work of course... thank you very very much
11:24.29poboiko:D you're welcome
11:26.23duser8ah.. --fullscreen only puts the krdc window to fullscreen, does not scale the client's screen... did not find a parameter with krdc --help-all
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11:31.02poboikoduser8: weird. I just tried this option and it switches client window to fullscreen right after connecting. It might be a bug then?
11:31.26poboikobecause it should
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11:32.33duser8ok. thanks
11:32.47BluesKaj'Morning all
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11:47.26galvaoHi everyone. Using Fedora 22 here. I've updated a couple of hours ago (huge KDE update) and now my disk is in constant use and my system is slow as hell. sudo iotop -o doesn't show anything unusual and Akonadi is disabled. What is happening and how can I fix this?
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11:50.08hallmanAnyone here using plasma 5 and a tiling wm? Having trouble defining some windows as floats, so they keep upsetting the layout of everything when I change volume for example.
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11:52.57galvaoOK, I've found something interesting: the baloo_file_extractor is having huge variations on it's disk usage, going to as much as 99.x%
11:53.09galvaoSomeone please advise, I'm going crazy with this...
11:53.18Markus_KMigalvao: Usually it shouldn't happen but maybe the search index is rebuilding. Just let it sit for a while
11:53.56galvaoMarkus_KMi: Can you define "a while"? Minutes, hours? (Seriously asking)
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11:55.11Markus_KMidepends on disk usage. When my install was fresh and I had many gigs of data migrated, it took a few hours. I just had the pc running during night
11:55.35galvaoMarkus_KMi: But isn't this something related to Akonadi? I don't have Akonadi running.
11:55.42Markus_KMino
11:56.16Markus_KMifile search has nothing to do with mail
11:56.27galvaoMarkus_KMi: ok, then, I'll just close everything and wait. Thanks for the advice.
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12:28.29TujuI've been running kde for some days and now its filesystem hangs
12:28.54Tujuif i do ls in konsole, everything works, but dolphin or any file dialog doesn't open - or it might take 15min to open.
12:29.09Tujuapparently something is locking everything
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12:31.07Tujui'd log out if there wouldn't be so many stuff unfinished. :-/
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12:50.12TujuApparently, No doesn't mean No in KDE PIM.
12:50.37Tujukmail -> File -> Quit    and it closes window, but process stays in system.
12:51.04Tujuand then there are asswipes who say that you shouldn't use xkill with KDE.
12:55.14Kendos-KenlenHi,
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12:55.53Kendos-KenlenHow can I enable (or where can I find) logs for plasma ? I compiled plasma but after I login using sddm, plasma just crash (or close itself).
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12:56.27Kendos-KenlenThe loading bar appear, move a little bit, and after that, plasma close and I go back to sddm.
12:56.35Kendos-KenlenI want to find why
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12:59.10einar77_workTuju: should be fixed post 15.08 IIRC
12:59.20einar77_work(I don't see this with my dev version atm)
12:59.33Tujuack, i'm just updating & rebooting
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13:37.52hussamAnyone here on kf5 dolphin?
13:39.26Fuchsyes
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13:40.12Fuchs(@hussam)
13:40.23hussamAre you getting this issue as well? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348902 Perhaps if someone else is seeing this issue, it may be easier to find why
13:40.30hussamthanks Fuchs
13:40.56Fuchsyes, reproducible on kubuntu, can test gentoo later on
13:41.22hussamDo you have bugzilla persmissons to set it to confirmed?
13:41.30Fuchsnope
13:41.35hussamOk
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13:42.22Tujuplaaah, *every* time i log in to kde, dualhead displays are fcked up.
13:42.47Tujuevery time only way to solve that is to swap cables.
13:43.56Tujufunny thing is that my panel is at left hand side, it never moves anywhere. but the edge that i can cross to the other side always swaps, meaning that xserver thinks that displays are other way around.
13:44.22Tujuthat should be able to flip in settings, but it crashes once you press apply.
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13:48.03FuchsTuju: that is why I just deactivated kscreen in systemsettings5 and use my own script that uses xrandr whenever I dock my laptop on
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13:49.27cybermailsJust checking again. Does anyone else have this problem? In KDE I cannot drag a Firefox tab  onto the desktop to create its own new window.
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13:56.46TujuFuchs: have you found way to flip those displays somehow?
13:57.10TujuFuchs: my server log has https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1254790 same color error
13:57.24Tujui cannot log into bz, it's crashed too
13:57.36FuchsTuju: you'd need to be a bit more specific about "flipping"
13:58.05Fuchsas in: change the left/right placement? If yes: you can specify tht with xrandr. If you mean actual screen flipping: that, too
13:58.18TujuFuchs: i've two displays and now i need to move mouse via wrong edge to get into other display.
13:58.39Tujuand it's always wrong when i log in.
13:59.13Tujutypically i solve it by swapping cables, but dragging that panel across displays is really difficult and takes too much time
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14:00.22Tujuthis is exactly the reason why i don't want to reboot / logout.
14:00.41Tujuyou can't work in next couple hours and you get pissed as a bonus.
14:01.07Tujuthis time kde just screwed itself up, i'd guess because updates or something.
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14:07.26cybermailsWhy do I get this message, usually while playing video, "desktop effects were restarted due to graphics reset"?
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14:11.13apikhello? anyone?
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14:32.42Captain_SifffHi All! I'm on sabayon linux and I have changed from kdm to sddm. Now I can't boot anymore to a graphical login manager. If I login as root via the commandline and then execute sddm then I can bring up e.g. fluxbox. My Xorg.log is here: https://pastebin.sabayon.org/pastie/17461
14:32.50Captain_SifffAny clues? It looks like something related to systemd.
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14:44.22rdieter_workCaptain_Sifff: problems start here, [     3.728] (EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied
14:44.27rdieter_workand, [     5.922] (EE) intel(0): Failed to claim DRM device.
14:44.42rdieter_workCaptain_Sifff: ask your distro, seems to be some odd permissions issue
14:45.47rdieter_workor video driver (possible opengl isn't working right too)
14:46.34BoeroBoyah Captain_Sifff: what group(s) is your sddm user in?
14:46.49BoeroBoythink someone else on the sabayon forum had this problem. have you checked there?
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14:48.43Captain_Sifff"groups sddm" results in "sddm"
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14:49.19Captain_SifffGoogling for the issue hasn't yet led me to the sabayon forums.
14:49.44BoeroBoyCaptain_Sifff: sabayon forums aren't always indexed or ranked so quickly. gimme a sec
14:49.58Captain_SifffThank You!
14:50.10BoeroBoyCaptain_Sifff: https://forum.sabayon.org/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=32626
14:51.35BoeroBoyusermod -a -G video sddm
14:51.36Captain_SifffSo adding sddm to the video group should help.... Let's see
14:52.14Captain_SifffSee you later! Will quickly reboot....
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15:01.24Captain_SifffHi all, adding the sddm user to the video group didn't do the trick. Still the same issue.
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15:15.37Storm-EngineerHi. I'm tearing my hair out... I'm unable to change file type associations, every time I do, it gets reverted. Anyone could help?
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15:25.30rdieter_workStorm-Engineer: a few more details?  what distro and version of plasma?  which mimetypes are you changing, and how exactly?
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15:27.13Storm-EngineerArch, KDE 5. There is an entry at JPG fro Krita, which cannot be removed or reorganized.
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15:29.33wgetHi guys. I'm trying to make Ctrl+Space recognized in Vim but I cannot. After some time, I discovered this was Konsole which wasn't intercepting <Ctrl+Space>. To test that, I used Ctrl+V and typed <Ctrl+Space>. Do you have any idea to make <Ctrl+Space> recognized by Konsole?
15:30.01hussamStorm-Engineer, rdieter_work: I had that issue under arch too. I had to look for a mimeinfo.something in some hidden folder in my home dir and manually delete it. after than, I could change file handling again.
15:31.05BoeroBoywget: sounds like a keyboard layout issue?
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15:33.22huftisIs there an easy way to figure out which files Baloo is currently indexing? (Or: ‘Why is baloo_file thrashing my hard drive?’)
15:34.46hussamhuftis: I went to system settings -> search and disabled every folder other than Documents and Pictures. it scans your whole home dir by default.
15:36.15huftishussam: Yes, I know I can do that. But I actually *want* it to index my whole home directory. But sometimes (like just now) it seems to thrash by harddrive for a long time for no reason (i.e., there are no new files).
15:37.00hussamI think it reads entire files and indexes content.
15:37.17hussamwhich can be heavy
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15:41.27strayPuppybaloo should use something like rsync and only index them if there are new changes to the file.
15:42.04wgetBoeroBoy: Nope. My layout is working flawlessly.
15:42.18wgetJust Ctrl + Space isn't recognized inside Konsole.
15:42.18BoeroBoyhmm
15:42.32hussamyou could do lsof -p `pidof baloo_file_extractor`
15:42.40hussamto find which file it is reading.
15:42.59wgetCtrl+V reports nothing. While if I press another keyboard sequences, something appears on the screen
15:43.57strayPuppywget: type cat and inside cat see what ctrl-space prints
15:45.29wgetstrayPuppy: nothing with Ctrl+Space
15:45.42wgetotherwise the riht characters are printed correctly.
15:45.48strayPuppyhuh, that's weird, works for me.
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15:47.25Captain_SifffHi there I have changed to KDE5. How do I migrate the contents of the wallets?
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15:49.51wgetstrayPuppy: As my Arch Linux install is quite old, I'm gonna try with a fresh Debian KDE Live I have. But this is Plasma 4 which is running on it.
15:49.57wgetstrayPuppy: Gonna recheck whne I'm at home;
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15:50.40strayPuppyIm using Ubuntu LTS myself
15:50.42Storm-EngineerI regret going to KDE 5 a thousand times... everything is broken as fuck. I had no problems with KDE 4... why is 5 released when it's broken all over...
15:51.14strayPuppyStorm-Engineer: that's why I'm not going to try it.
15:51.34strayPuppyheard too much crap about it
15:51.53Storm-EngineerstrayPuppy: But Arch is already forcing it, they are removing KDE 4 support any time by now, while 5 is still unusable
15:52.08hussamyes
15:52.24wgetstrayPuppy: Quite stable for me. Except the migratio,n from Plasma 4 was a nightmare. Now, with recent Plasma 5 applets I need to respecify my password for Wi-Fi networks. kio5 is broken on my side and kde agent refuses to start.
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15:53.20eplightningStorm-Engineer: since arch is 100% bleeding edge software how is dropping kde4 surprising
15:53.38strayPuppywell I guess that's not a nightmare, but only a bad dream.
15:53.43Storm-EngineerSystray icons broken, Plasma keeps crashing, several settings glitchy, Skype doesn'"t integrate into my theme, file associations screwed up... there are so many broken things I can't even list them
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15:54.12hussamkde4 was perfect.
15:54.30eplightningand I remember people bitching about kde4 saying how kde3 is perfect
15:54.35Storm-EngineerAll teh things broken in 5 worked flawlessly in 4
15:54.54BoeroBoy^^ my experience too
15:55.01BoeroBoyand Analog Clock plasmoid taking 20% cpu
15:55.05hussamkde3 was great apart from a few bad kicker crashes in 3.4
15:55.07Storm-Engineeri WOULD live teh new stuff in KDE 5, I really would... if it wasn't UNUSABLE
15:55.09BoeroBoywas'nt in 4.
15:55.30Storm-EngineerI spent the last 3 days just trying to make this shit usable, while my work is piling up...
15:55.38hussamI tried gnome for three months. very nice and polished visually. nautilus is good. but gnome-shell leaks a lot of memory (mostly cairo issues).
15:55.39BoeroBoydo appreciate the effort tho, devs.  I know it's not easy and fairly thankless when things work great.
15:55.43Storm-EngineerSession restore broken too
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15:56.06hussamvalgrind would always point to fontconfig and cairo...
15:56.20Storm-EngineerKDE 5 should be considered public bate, rather than stable... why the fuck are then people forcing the migration
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15:56.29eplightningnobody is forcing anyone?
15:56.35Storm-EngineerArch does
15:56.38BoeroBoy^^  just the distros
15:56.40hussambecause Qt4 support stopped.
15:56.42BoeroBoy:-/
15:56.44eplightningbecause it's Arch
15:56.55eplightningif you don't like bleeding edge debian is there for you
15:57.00huftishussam: Thanks for the ‘lsof’ trick.
15:57.13hussamhuftis: anytime.
15:57.20Storm-EngineerNever had an issue with Arch
15:57.24BoeroBoyI have a stable Fedora 20 kde spin that's perfectly happy with KDE4 too.  may want to try that
15:57.48Storm-EngineerMy issue is that KDE 5 is not nearly stable or finished, yet people already talk about dropping support for 4
15:57.57hussamone good thing is that Qt6 won't be as major as Qt5 is.
15:59.45BoeroBoyhttps://xkcd.com/948/
15:59.54BoeroBoywhoops wrong channel sorry
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16:03.03Markus_KMiArch is broken half the time anyway.
16:05.05Storm-EngineerArch was never broken for me
16:05.20Storm-EngineerMy problem is KDE 5, not Arch
16:07.01eplightningworks for me, also since 5.4 had one crash (and that's probably because KF5 update) + issue with kbuildsycoca5 which was fixed day later
16:07.54Storm-EngineerI never had a crash.
16:08.11Storm-EngineerAbd I'm using Arch for a few years by now
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16:08.34Storm-EngineerAnyway...
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16:38.38TaokiHello. I have a plasma5 related question: Is there any way to adjust the update speed of the monitor widgets (CPU monitor, memory status, etc)? The KDE4 versions had that in the settings, but the Plasma5 variants don't seem to. The speed is apparently hardcoded to 2 seconds, which is too little for me.
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16:52.59hussamwith baloosearch --type, what are the valid "types"?
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17:05.23ken_fallonCan someone point me to a how I can enable a screen reader (like orca) in KDE4/fedora21. I need to test some websites.
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17:20.01ken_fallonjust discovered dnf install kdeaccessibility.noarch - let's see how we go
17:21.05Storm-EngineerAnybody knows of a good guide on how to revert to KDE 4?
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17:22.51BlaXpiritStorm-Engineer, this is the most distro-specific thing ever
17:23.08hussamStorm-Engineer: which distribution?
17:24.43hussamStorm-Engineer: should be rather easy though. http://download.kde.org/stable/4.14.3/src/
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17:30.18deper29when I go into my desktop settings to change my wallpaper, none of the thumbnails show up. Would anyone know why?
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17:31.57hussamdeper29: plasma5? install kio-extras
17:33.10Storm-Engineerhussam: Arch
17:33.24deper29hussam: plasma5, yeah. I'll give that a shot. Thanks!
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17:33.59hussamStorm-Engineer: should be easy then. checkout the svn tree and revert to a revision around 4.14.3 and package the things you want.
17:35.18deper29hussam: you're a wonderful human being. did the trick :)
17:35.27deper29what is in kio-extras?
17:36.30hussamdeper29: it contains the kioslaves for thumbnails, trash, etc...
17:36.55deper29ah, gotcha. this was bugging me a lot
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17:38.04genstormhussam: so plasma-workspace actually depends on a kde-apps package?
17:38.55hussamI guess. when I had that problem, I was asked to installed kio-extras and it worked.
17:41.21hussamStorm-Engineer: you could go with gnome 3.18 which is around the corner till kf5 based apps mature. it works without crashes/bugs but you'll be running two instances of gnome-shell and they will eat 1GB or ram every 24 hours if you're on xorg.
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17:46.41Storm-Engineerhussam: I'm a KDE user, why the hell would I want to change to Gnome?!
17:47.02Storm-EngineerAll I want is going bacvk to KDE 4 which worked EXACTLY as I wanted, without problems
17:47.20BlaXpiritStorm-Engineer, install kubuntu 14.04  :|
17:47.27Storm-EngineerWTF
17:47.34Storm-EngineerNo
17:47.44BlaXpiritwell then have fun
17:47.48Storm-EngineerWhy are people telling me to change what is not broken
17:48.10hussamWell, if you're on arch, going back to kde4 is easy.
17:48.17BlaXpirituhh no
17:48.25BlaXpiritif it is not broken, then i understand there is no problem?
17:48.32Storm-Engineer...
17:48.35Storm-EngineerFFS
17:48.46hussamif you're not willing to compile from scratch, there are distributions which shipped kde4
17:48.58Storm-EngineerI want to revert to KDE 4, NOT change to Gnome, NOTE change to *buntu
17:49.12BlaXpiritStorm-Engineer, so why are you not listening to hussam?
17:49.15genstormdoes arch still provide kde4?
17:49.19BlaXpiritnot really
17:49.33Storm-EngineerBlaXpirit: WTF again, not listening??? HUH
17:49.36BlaXpiritmaybe just plasma
17:49.42hussamgenstorm: not prepackaged. you have to revert the svn tree to 4.14.3 and rebuild.
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17:49.52genstormhussam: and never update again?
17:50.13BlaXpirit<PROTECTED>
17:50.17hussamyou can update everything else. just not KDE.
17:50.26BlaXpiritnot with arch you can't xD
17:50.27Storm-EngineerGuys, I had KDE 4 until I installed a fresh system, and it wasn't hacked, there was no SVN messing around
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17:50.48BlaXpiritStorm-Engineer, goddammit,  arch linux does not provide KDE 4, stop and listen
17:50.54Storm-Engineer???
17:51.00Storm-EngineerWhat are you talking about again?
17:51.12BlaXpiritarch linux is my favorite distro, but i am not using it because of this
17:51.15hussamagain, it's very easy to compile it from source.
17:51.19BlaXpiritshould've considered what hussam is saying
17:51.25Sho_Can you guys maybe chill out and stop being dicks to each other tho
17:51.52Storm-EngineerI have no idea what BlaXpiritis trying to say
17:52.59Storm-EngineerI'm asking how to replace a flat tire on my car, and people tell me to replace my car or switch to train...
17:53.21Storm-Engineernever mind, forget it
17:53.25BlaXpiritbad analogy, try again
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17:53.38BlaXpirit#archlinux probably scolded that guy even worse
17:53.54Sho_He didn't do anything that needed scolding
17:53.56BlaXpirit(at least i hope so)
17:54.20IngarBlaXpirit: there's kdebase-workspace
17:54.32BlaXpirit[:49:36] <BlaXpirit> maybe just plasma
17:54.43hussamSho_: it's kinda easy to do what he was asking for under archlinux. it's just svn -r something cd somewhere and type makepkg.
17:54.43Ingarthe arch kde wiki is awfuly confusing
17:55.06BlaXpirithussam, i would go for source downloads or something
17:55.27hussamyes
17:55.46Sho_hussam: Sounds like something that's easy to do when you already know the concepts and steps involved :)
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17:56.10hussamfair enough.
17:56.15BlaXpirit...and not throwing "WTF"s and "FFS"s left and right
17:56.41Sho_He was provoked
17:56.56BlaXpiritno
17:57.05BlaXpirithe was given two working solutions
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17:57.18Sho_"Install Gnome" or "install Kubuntu" aren't useful solutions to "How do I get KDE 4 on Arch"
17:57.48BlaXpirithe didn't even say arch at first,  and that wasn't the problem statement
17:58.22hussamI can package kde 4.14.3 for him.
17:58.38BlaXpirithussam, do u use arch linux?
17:58.47Sho_BlaXpirit: Actually he did say Arch first but it was some time earlier
17:59.00hussamyes, since judd's days over a decade ago.
17:59.37BlaXpiritthere probably even are already full instructions for compiling kde 4
17:59.41BlaXpiritmaybe even something on AUR
17:59.58BlaXpiriti really should reconsider this, cuz  kubuntu 14.04 is making me really angry
18:00.42BlaXpirit(not more angry than kde 5 though)
18:01.10genstormBlaXpirit: sorry, what's that kde 5 you are talking about? :p
18:01.12Sho_is happy with his plasma 5 on fedora
18:01.37Ingarhas cursed both KDE and arch
18:01.37BlaXpiritgenstorm, it's like HTML 5, u know? everything after HTML 4
18:01.46Ingarbut 5.4.1 seems slightly more stable
18:01.50shadowbanealso likes his plasma5 on arch.
18:02.40hussamArch's stability depends on the Linux environment stability in general which improved in the last decade.
18:02.44BlaXpiriti had dolphin 15.08 crash like 15 times today
18:02.54shadowbaneAlso, arch packages plasma 4 still, not sure what the fuss is about, just install kdebase-workspace if you want plasma 4...
18:03.00Sho_BlaXpirit: backtrace?
18:03.01BlaXpiritwhen bringing up context menu.  still not sure what causes it. it was a surprise every time
18:03.13BlaXpiritSho_, i aint got time to produce backtrace when i'm at work
18:03.23BlaXpiritit's arch linux anyway, so it would be problematic
18:03.34Sho_ah yeah, that's why Arch is a shitty toy distro no one should use
18:03.47BlaXpiritxD
18:03.52shadowbaneWait, why is arch a toy distro nobody should use???
18:03.54hussamSho_: I can reproduce that crash but dolphin is making my whole desktop freeze when it crashes.
18:03.59hussamso I cannot type bt
18:04.01BlaXpiritshadowbane, because kde 5 is garbage
18:04.13hussamwell the freeze only happens when I crash it from gdb.
18:04.17Sho_shadowbane: It doesn't have debug symbol packages, so most Arch users are too lazy or not able to file crash bug reports with useful backtraces
18:04.39Sho_But I blame the distro for not providing them, which makes it a cancer on the community
18:04.40shadowbaneSho_: So, like most distros it ships release versions?  That is standard...
18:04.42hussamSho_: I have rebuild dolphin, kactivies, etc.. with debug symbols.
18:04.53Sho_shadowbane: Most binary distros ship debug symbol packages
18:05.07Sho_hussam: Then you're one of the Arch users who are neither too lazy nor incapable -- thanks
18:05.10shadowbaneNone that I have seen...
18:05.33Sho_shadowbane: I can't think of any general purpose binary distro other than Arch that doesn't have debug symbol packages
18:05.53hussamSho_: I ran dolphin from gdb. I got it to crash but the desktop froze. I could not type bt. any suggestions?
18:06.20genstormhussam: it's still that activities bug, isn't it?
18:06.31eplightningall it takes to get debug symbols is changing options in makepkg.conf, abs package you want debug symbols for and run makepkg
18:06.32Ingarhussam: start it from an ssh session ?
18:06.35Sho_hussam: you could run dolphin in gdb from a tty maybe
18:06.36eplightningnot that much work
18:07.03hussamIngar: would I need a second PC for that?
18:07.10Ingarhussam: yes
18:07.34hussamSho_: so set DISPLAY and run dolphin?
18:07.46Sho_yeah
18:07.55Ingarmight have to do an xhost +localhost
18:08.04hussamok
18:10.28BlaXpirithussam, desktop freezes, but can u go into a tty?
18:10.40hussamyes.
18:10.42BlaXpiritso no need for another computer
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18:10.47BlaXpiritssh localhost  or something
18:10.58BlaXpiritmaybe i don't understand something
18:11.10BlaXpiritssh localhost makes no sense anyway xD
18:12.19Ingarssh localhost -> WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!
18:12.21hussamok, I did export DISPLAY=:0 and ran gdb /usr/bin/dolphin then run.
18:12.34hussamthen ctrl+alt+f1 and dolphin showed up.
18:13.32hussamIt's not crashing this way
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18:14.26genstormit doesn't always crash for me anyway, and if, there is no backtrace
18:15.02hussamgenstorm: I have most of KDE compiled with Debug and !strip. will be doing Qt5 today.
18:15.44genstormhussam: it does crash on hover over activities context menu, does it?
18:15.55BlaXpiritoooh that's also something i thought
18:16.08BlaXpiritbut then i tried purposely hovering over it and nothing
18:16.20genstormbecause that's what is definitely happening here, despite the fix
18:16.33genstormthat fix just made it not reproducible all the time
18:16.38hussamgenstorm: not when ran this way. the initial kactivitivies but was fixed in 5.14 so this is another issue.
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18:17.26hussamSho_: since you are here, would you mind taking a look at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348902 and possibly confirming it?
18:17.45genstormhussam: as I said, the fix isn't complete
18:18.05genstormunless you are describing a non-contextmenu related crash
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18:19.44Sho_hussam: done
18:19.52hussamSho_: thank you very much.
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18:54.14shadowbaneDoing a yum search for dolphin right now there is nothing related to debugging (fedora machine at work.)  I don't remember anything about debug packages from Ubuntu back in the day either, but it was back in 09 when I stopped using it, and half of my software came from PPAs anyway due to the awful release schedule...
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18:58.53hussamshadowbane: https://wiki.debian.org/DebugPackage should be package-dbg then with debian packaging.
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18:59.18shadowbaneNever used debian.  I enjoy software that was released within the last 5 years. :P
18:59.39hussamit probably applies to ubuntu as well.
19:00.55shadowbanepossibly.  I left ubuntu after there were a couple ubuntu specific "X is unusably slow" bugs that hit me back in 09.  ( And after getting frustrated with how slow their release schedule was.)
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19:01.45hussamhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/StackTraces
19:02.33garrettkajmowiczIs there any way to find out which release bug 339451 is fixed in? The Version Fixed In field is blank, and this fix was checked in almost a year ago.
19:04.39hussamit fixed in october so since plasma 5.1?
19:04.42hussamif*
19:04.56shadowbanehussam: so, does fedora not compile with optimization, or do they do -o2 -g and then strip the debug symbols?  Either way it seems really strange...
19:05.17hussamshadowbane: no idea, I was only doing a google search.
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19:07.58hussamperhaps ask in #fedora for their cflags.
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19:18.27garrettkajmowiczhussam: Is there a way I can use the UI to follow the change through to the actual release? Or to see if it was back-ported into a dot release for 4.x?
19:18.56hussamgarrettkajmowicz: it says this was the commit https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=plasma-desktop.git&a=commit&h=026d58ac3bb78c50fb8fa5210ea3c3b07ed0422c
19:19.37garrettkajmowiczhussam: Right.
19:19.49hussamhttps://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git this is kde4' plasma
19:19.57hussamso do a search there.
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19:21.10hussamyou can look at specific tags and search the commit log
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19:22.24hussamfor example, 5.1.0 tag has it in the git log https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=plasma-desktop.git&a=search&h=b6293251198283b98ccb55a846283cfc8cd3a4a5&st=commit&s=Avoid+a+lot+of+syncs+to+FavoritesModel+in+kickoff
19:24.20hussamI found a new dolphin bug and got a trace this time :D
19:24.34genstormhussam: \o/
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19:29.10hussamhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353003 weird one actually. only occurs once after a reboot.
19:30.38BlaXpirithmm i just thought i would give compiling kde in a virtual machine a go
19:30.49BlaXpiritbut then i remembered that compiling in a virtual machine is probably not a good idea
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19:31.19hussamQt5 is lengthy. the rest not so much. kdepim takes a while as well.
19:31.32BlaXpiritqt4 :p
19:32.12hussamah ok. Qt4 took a while as well especially the javascriptcore part.
19:33.03hussamyou could do so in chroot.
19:33.53genstormBlaXpirit: why not build in a chroot?
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19:34.39genstorm..ah yes
19:34.43BlaXpiritbuilding kde 4 on ubuntu where i have kde 4  doesnt seem like a good way to try whether kde 4 can run on arch linux
19:35.11hussama chroot is isolated
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19:35.32BlaXpiritmight as well use Nix then  :o
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19:38.05garrettkajmowiczhussam: Thanks for the help. I guess I'll have to upgrade to get that fix.
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20:05.56King_DuckZhello, I've had messed up menus for a while now, anybody knows what's causing this? I tried removing my .kde4 but it didn't do anything http://imgur.com/a/pJsOd
20:06.14King_DuckZif I disable desktop effects I simply get black where you see transparency now
20:06.35King_DuckZbut it's still unreadable - I'm using updated stable gentoo
20:07.52hussamis that kwin?
20:08.01Markus_KMiKing_DuckZ: I've never seen such a bug
20:08.13King_DuckZ:(
20:08.22King_DuckZI'm using kwin I guess, yes
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20:08.52shadowbaneI remember seeing that a couple years ago i think.  Something about the rendering mode and bad graphics drivers I think...
20:08.53hussamwhat graphics card/driver?
20:08.59toskyand if you change the type of compositor (OpenGL <-> XRandr) ?
20:09.14King_DuckZoh and the open source ati drivers, my graphic card: VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kabini [Radeon HD 8330]
20:09.21shadowbaneCould also try bumping the opengl mode up/down.
20:10.10King_DuckZeselect opengl list ---> [1]   xorg-x11 *  (it's the only option available)
20:10.23King_DuckZshadowbane: what do you mean bump the mode up?
20:10.55King_DuckZtosky: from desktop effects --> advanced, right?
20:11.27King_DuckZtosky: no change, unless I have to restart x or something
20:11.27shadowbanekwin supports opengl 1.4, 2.0, and 3.1 in addition to xrender.  Changing the opengl mode to a different one could help if it is a driver bug.
20:11.38toskyKing_DuckZ: yep, that one
20:11.53toskyKing_DuckZ: and Qt graphic system, what do you have?
20:12.43King_DuckZhow do I check that?
20:12.45shadowbaneAs soon as you hit apply you should se a flicker and it will ask you to confirm that the settings are good.  If you got that there is no need to restart anything.
20:12.52shadowbaneIt is the box below compositing type.
20:13.07shadowbaneliterally 20px down. :)
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20:13.37King_DuckZshadowbane: yes, it asked me that much, I tried a couple combination, it looks like the corruption pattern changes a bit, then reverts to what it was, no matter what I choose
20:13.54King_DuckZah sorry :p
20:14.08King_DuckZI have opengl 2.0 - Native right now
20:14.39King_DuckZchanged it to opengl 2.0 - raster, same thing
20:14.39shadowbaneI really wish I rembmered what caused this back when I saw it.   I'm guessing you are running on an older install?  (Or a system that likes old software, such as red hat?)
20:14.52King_DuckZstable gentoo
20:15.07shadowbaneFor the raster/native thing you would have to restart the application.
20:15.17shadowbaneWhat is stable gentoo??
20:15.18King_DuckZwith unstable drivers iirc, let me check
20:15.19genstormKing_DuckZ: you might want to try unmask latest mesa
20:15.29hussamxrender backend helps?
20:16.09King_DuckZshadowbane: ok let me retry, I didn't restart it
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20:19.50King_DuckZI tried several combinations and checked in dolphin (open, check menu, close), I couldn't see any change in any case
20:20.17King_DuckZalso I tried XRender - Native, but it won't let me set XRender - Raster
20:20.58King_DuckZmesa I have right now: media-libs/mesa-10.3.7-r1:0
20:21.40hussamCan you update to 10.6.8?
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20:22.02King_DuckZnot sure if this is useful info http://pastebin.com/xUCPTneY
20:22.17King_DuckZhussam: I can try
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