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00:06.53 | Markus_KMi | Fernandos: Trolling? |
00:07.21 | Fernandos | Markus_KMi: No! This was a serious question, I looked up on kde.org before I asked the question. |
00:07.45 | Markus_KMi | right⦠https://www.kde.org/announcements/ |
00:08.34 | Markus_KMi | "Latest Announcements" â directly on the front page |
00:08.55 | Fernandos | I checked that of course. There is no mention of final/beta/alpha/stable |
00:09.26 | Markus_KMi | https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.3.95.php says "Beta" |
00:09.43 | Fernandos | How can you blame the user, if the site is simply not obvious? Check https://www.kernel.org/ there you see asap what version is what |
00:10.39 | Markus_KMi | the site is obvious in this regard, you either didn't bother to scrol down a few lines or you are trolling⦠|
00:10.47 | Fernandos | Markus_KMi: well, Sho_ said the 5.4.1 is final. how can 5.3.95 be beta? |
00:11.12 | Markus_KMi | the page says so |
00:11.32 | Markus_KMi | 5.3.95 = "5.4 beta" |
00:11.46 | Markus_KMi | not that hard to understand |
00:13.18 | Markus_KMi | even this channel's topic is "KDE Plasma 5.4 and KDE Applications 15.08 are out" |
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00:13.46 | Sho_ | Fernandos: the .9x numbers are specially numbers for the alphas and betas of the next stable release |
00:14.05 | Fernandos | Markus_KMi: read my question, I asked if it's alpha/beta or stable.. meh |
00:14.19 | Markus_KMi | is latest release is stable. meh. |
00:14.25 | Fernandos | how can one know that when you're not involved into the project like you maybe |
00:14.43 | Sho_ | Yeah Markus_KMi I think you're being unnecessarily aggressive here |
00:14.44 | Markus_KMi | it does not say "beta" therefore it's not beta |
00:16.28 | Markus_KMi | kernel.org calls their beta versions "release candidate", btw. hardly better than kde.org |
00:16.44 | Fernandos | There is a new feature called "show overview page". What does that do? For me it just shows the desktop.. |
00:17.05 | Sho_ | I'm not familiar with that feature |
00:17.31 | Sho_ | Markus_KMi: Gentoo once changed the version of their package manager from 2.2_rc99 to 2.2-alpha1, exploiting that - sorts after _ |
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00:17.44 | Fernandos | Talking about the menu that opens when you click the little badge on the desktop |
00:18.35 | Sho_ | Fernandos: Do you mean "Show Dashboard"? That was in Plasma 4 too, it's basically a layer you can place widgets on that can be pulled over things |
00:19.09 | Sho_ | Although I think in Plasma 5 it might actually just show the Desktop layer and move the windows away ... hmm dunno |
00:19.11 | Sho_ | I don't use it |
00:20.21 | Fernandos | Sho_: Hah.. maybe that's what it is! I was used to know that as Dashboard, now it's probably also translated |
00:21.17 | Fernandos | I kinda get Activities altough I've never used it, but I don't understand howto use Dashboard. It just darkens everything except the widgets that are already on my desktop |
00:22.21 | Fernandos | activities are for people who want different sets of virtual desktops per 'activity' I think |
00:22.29 | Fernandos | and widgets^ |
00:22.52 | Sho_ | yeo |
00:22.57 | Sho_ | *yep |
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00:34.08 | Fernandos | Plasma 5 really looks professional btw. I'm just sad you can't have different sets of widgets per desktop anymore. I really enjoyed having a different folder per desktop |
00:34.22 | Fernandos | And wallpaper^ |
00:35.31 | Fernandos | That was what made the big difference between gnome and kde for me. Gnome always restricted you to one wallpaper |
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05:26.39 | guser1 | hi. How to change the icon size of panel-starters/launchers: as you see in that screenshot: or I want to get the libreoffice icon smaller, or the other icons bigger. : http://snag.gy/k2sdR.jpg How? |
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07:38.39 | lordievader | Good morning. |
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08:14.23 | Zaister | I have a weird phenomenon on my KDE desktop: the whole panel reacts very slowly, task switching takes seconds, and even the launcher behaves strange: the applications page shows "applications updated" and doesn't let me access any entrys. The alternative aluncher (cascaded menus) doen\t work either, the menus don't appear, and the whole thing flickers weirdly. Any idea what might be going on there? |
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08:20.43 | hussam | Zaister: hi. did you by any chance update to kservice 5.14.2 recently? |
08:20.50 | hussam | if so, update to 5.14.3 |
08:20.54 | Zaister | that is quite possible |
08:20.56 | Zaister | I will check |
08:21.38 | Zaister | It seems I have just updated to 5.14.3 |
08:21.59 | Zaister | so I guess I need to relogin |
08:22.04 | hussam | yes |
08:22.25 | Zaister | ok thanks,I"ll jut check that out |
08:25.36 | Zaister | very nice, it works again, thanks forpointing that out |
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09:15.39 | hallman | Hello.. I just switched to plasma 5, and I'm having issues replacing kwin. Before I would just set the KDEWM env var, but now I'm not sure where to do that. The system setting panel has an option, but it's greyed out for some reason. Any ideas? |
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09:20.14 | leszek | hallman: I think it isn't possible for now yet. Maybe you can force to replace the window manager but if it is greyed out it isn't supported yet I guess |
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09:21.00 | hallman | leszek: Any idea how I could try forcing it? |
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09:22.57 | leszek | hallman: only on runtime with killing kwin and starting another window manager. Or use a window manager that has a --replace parameter to replace the current window manager |
09:23.22 | hallman | leszek: Ah I see.. thanks! |
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09:25.56 | leszek | hallman: tried it with icewm that worked fine here. Though some icons in the taskbar changed their icon size. So it might be the reason why this feature isn't activated yet |
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09:38.20 | hallman | leszek: Changing to xmonad seems to have worked alright as well. Do you know where I can add this "xmonad --replace" to execute automatically at startup? |
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09:39.14 | leszek | You could create a script and add it to the autostart entries. Though I never tested this. |
09:42.16 | hallman | Oh jebus.. more problems cropping up.. is there any way I can just mess with the kde session's environment variables? Most importatly I want to edit PATH |
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09:55.19 | hallman | Equally important, I'd like to change LANG.. my konsole look all wonky :( |
09:56.46 | hallman | ~/.config/plasma-workspace/env! I searched there before, hm.. |
09:57.04 | leszek | I am not sure what problem you have with it. But of course you can set variables in the env directory and a simple shell script. The env directory is now located under ~/.config/plasma-workspace |
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10:00.14 | hallman | leszek: thanks, I think I got everything in order after all.. :) Plus some minor annoyances from plasma4 are gone, so that's nice. (Replaced with what new annoyances, I wonder..) |
10:01.58 | hallman | Konsole still isn't responding to mouse events past column 256, that one is kinda ridiculous :p |
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10:07.58 | leszek | hallman: what do you mean exactly ? It works here. So I can for example copy stuff from line 1 even after 400 new lines in the output of konsole |
10:08.47 | leszek | btw. which version of plasma 5 do you have installed ? |
10:09.05 | leszek | or which version of konsole ? |
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10:44.31 | prillian5 | does KDE need mysql by default? |
10:48.00 | hallman | leszek: sorry for delay, lunch time. The issue is with columns, not lines. Just hold down a key for a while to fill a line (on a wide screen), now try to select text on the far right of the konsole. |
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10:48.20 | eplightning | prillian5: akonadi does but it's only required if you use KDEPIM applications |
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10:48.32 | hallman | leszek: Plasma version 5.4.1 and konsole 15.08.1 |
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10:54.57 | lord_rob | Hi! I have a dual screen config. My main screen (left) is a Samsung LED which works correctly, my right screen is a iiyama CRT which I don't power on everytime. With KDE4 I had to go to systemsettings to enable it, set it to the correct position and give it the correct resolution/refresh rate. Here with plasma 5.4.1 the resolution/refresh rate of my right monitor cannot be changed, I'm stuck with an awful 1024*768@60Hz. How to fix that? |
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11:02.59 | lord_rob | http://imgur.com/ezTNU4f |
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11:04.47 | lord_rob | on refresh rate (taux de rafraichissement) I have only 60Hz |
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11:16.54 | duser8 | how to set password when using KRDC via a link? e.g. krdc 192.168.56.100 --password 123 ? |
11:18.32 | poboiko | duser8: try krdc username:password@192.168.56.100 |
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11:21.43 | duser8 | poboiko: perfekt.. thank you so much. do you also have a paramter for fullscreen? |
11:22.28 | poboiko | duser8: yep, from "krdc --help" it seems like --fullscreen is the option you need :) |
11:24.14 | duser8 | poboiko: --help... OMG... I just tried "man krdc"... what did not work of course... thank you very very much |
11:24.29 | poboiko | :D you're welcome |
11:26.23 | duser8 | ah.. --fullscreen only puts the krdc window to fullscreen, does not scale the client's screen... did not find a parameter with krdc --help-all |
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11:31.02 | poboiko | duser8: weird. I just tried this option and it switches client window to fullscreen right after connecting. It might be a bug then? |
11:31.26 | poboiko | because it should |
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11:32.33 | duser8 | ok. thanks |
11:32.47 | BluesKaj | 'Morning all |
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11:47.26 | galvao | Hi everyone. Using Fedora 22 here. I've updated a couple of hours ago (huge KDE update) and now my disk is in constant use and my system is slow as hell. sudo iotop -o doesn't show anything unusual and Akonadi is disabled. What is happening and how can I fix this? |
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11:50.08 | hallman | Anyone here using plasma 5 and a tiling wm? Having trouble defining some windows as floats, so they keep upsetting the layout of everything when I change volume for example. |
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11:52.57 | galvao | OK, I've found something interesting: the baloo_file_extractor is having huge variations on it's disk usage, going to as much as 99.x% |
11:53.09 | galvao | Someone please advise, I'm going crazy with this... |
11:53.18 | Markus_KMi | galvao: Usually it shouldn't happen but maybe the search index is rebuilding. Just let it sit for a while |
11:53.56 | galvao | Markus_KMi: Can you define "a while"? Minutes, hours? (Seriously asking) |
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11:55.11 | Markus_KMi | depends on disk usage. When my install was fresh and I had many gigs of data migrated, it took a few hours. I just had the pc running during night |
11:55.35 | galvao | Markus_KMi: But isn't this something related to Akonadi? I don't have Akonadi running. |
11:55.42 | Markus_KMi | no |
11:56.16 | Markus_KMi | file search has nothing to do with mail |
11:56.27 | galvao | Markus_KMi: ok, then, I'll just close everything and wait. Thanks for the advice. |
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12:28.29 | Tuju | I've been running kde for some days and now its filesystem hangs |
12:28.54 | Tuju | if i do ls in konsole, everything works, but dolphin or any file dialog doesn't open - or it might take 15min to open. |
12:29.09 | Tuju | apparently something is locking everything |
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12:31.07 | Tuju | i'd log out if there wouldn't be so many stuff unfinished. :-/ |
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12:50.12 | Tuju | Apparently, No doesn't mean No in KDE PIM. |
12:50.37 | Tuju | kmail -> File -> Quit and it closes window, but process stays in system. |
12:51.04 | Tuju | and then there are asswipes who say that you shouldn't use xkill with KDE. |
12:55.14 | Kendos-Kenlen | Hi, |
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12:55.53 | Kendos-Kenlen | How can I enable (or where can I find) logs for plasma ? I compiled plasma but after I login using sddm, plasma just crash (or close itself). |
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12:56.27 | Kendos-Kenlen | The loading bar appear, move a little bit, and after that, plasma close and I go back to sddm. |
12:56.35 | Kendos-Kenlen | I want to find why |
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12:59.10 | einar77_work | Tuju: should be fixed post 15.08 IIRC |
12:59.20 | einar77_work | (I don't see this with my dev version atm) |
12:59.33 | Tuju | ack, i'm just updating & rebooting |
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13:37.52 | hussam | Anyone here on kf5 dolphin? |
13:39.26 | Fuchs | yes |
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13:40.12 | Fuchs | (@hussam) |
13:40.23 | hussam | Are you getting this issue as well? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348902 Perhaps if someone else is seeing this issue, it may be easier to find why |
13:40.30 | hussam | thanks Fuchs |
13:40.56 | Fuchs | yes, reproducible on kubuntu, can test gentoo later on |
13:41.22 | hussam | Do you have bugzilla persmissons to set it to confirmed? |
13:41.30 | Fuchs | nope |
13:41.35 | hussam | Ok |
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13:42.22 | Tuju | plaaah, *every* time i log in to kde, dualhead displays are fcked up. |
13:42.47 | Tuju | every time only way to solve that is to swap cables. |
13:43.56 | Tuju | funny thing is that my panel is at left hand side, it never moves anywhere. but the edge that i can cross to the other side always swaps, meaning that xserver thinks that displays are other way around. |
13:44.22 | Tuju | that should be able to flip in settings, but it crashes once you press apply. |
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13:48.03 | Fuchs | Tuju: that is why I just deactivated kscreen in systemsettings5 and use my own script that uses xrandr whenever I dock my laptop on |
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13:49.27 | cybermails | Just checking again. Does anyone else have this problem? In KDE I cannot drag a Firefox tab onto the desktop to create its own new window. |
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13:56.46 | Tuju | Fuchs: have you found way to flip those displays somehow? |
13:57.10 | Tuju | Fuchs: my server log has https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1254790 same color error |
13:57.24 | Tuju | i cannot log into bz, it's crashed too |
13:57.36 | Fuchs | Tuju: you'd need to be a bit more specific about "flipping" |
13:58.05 | Fuchs | as in: change the left/right placement? If yes: you can specify tht with xrandr. If you mean actual screen flipping: that, too |
13:58.18 | Tuju | Fuchs: i've two displays and now i need to move mouse via wrong edge to get into other display. |
13:58.39 | Tuju | and it's always wrong when i log in. |
13:59.13 | Tuju | typically i solve it by swapping cables, but dragging that panel across displays is really difficult and takes too much time |
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14:00.22 | Tuju | this is exactly the reason why i don't want to reboot / logout. |
14:00.41 | Tuju | you can't work in next couple hours and you get pissed as a bonus. |
14:01.07 | Tuju | this time kde just screwed itself up, i'd guess because updates or something. |
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14:07.26 | cybermails | Why do I get this message, usually while playing video, "desktop effects were restarted due to graphics reset"? |
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14:11.13 | apik | hello? anyone? |
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14:11.40 | hateball | YES THIS IS DOG |
14:11.51 | apik | sorry for my grammar, not native, well grammar nazi not that bad |
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14:32.42 | Captain_Sifff | Hi All! I'm on sabayon linux and I have changed from kdm to sddm. Now I can't boot anymore to a graphical login manager. If I login as root via the commandline and then execute sddm then I can bring up e.g. fluxbox. My Xorg.log is here: https://pastebin.sabayon.org/pastie/17461 |
14:32.50 | Captain_Sifff | Any clues? It looks like something related to systemd. |
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14:44.22 | rdieter_work | Captain_Sifff: problems start here, [ 3.728] (EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied |
14:44.27 | rdieter_work | and, [ 5.922] (EE) intel(0): Failed to claim DRM device. |
14:44.42 | rdieter_work | Captain_Sifff: ask your distro, seems to be some odd permissions issue |
14:45.47 | rdieter_work | or video driver (possible opengl isn't working right too) |
14:46.34 | BoeroBoy | ah Captain_Sifff: what group(s) is your sddm user in? |
14:46.49 | BoeroBoy | think someone else on the sabayon forum had this problem. have you checked there? |
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14:48.43 | Captain_Sifff | "groups sddm" results in "sddm" |
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14:49.19 | Captain_Sifff | Googling for the issue hasn't yet led me to the sabayon forums. |
14:49.44 | BoeroBoy | Captain_Sifff: sabayon forums aren't always indexed or ranked so quickly. gimme a sec |
14:49.58 | Captain_Sifff | Thank You! |
14:50.10 | BoeroBoy | Captain_Sifff: https://forum.sabayon.org/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=32626 |
14:51.35 | BoeroBoy | usermod -a -G video sddm |
14:51.36 | Captain_Sifff | So adding sddm to the video group should help.... Let's see |
14:52.14 | Captain_Sifff | See you later! Will quickly reboot.... |
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15:01.24 | Captain_Sifff | Hi all, adding the sddm user to the video group didn't do the trick. Still the same issue. |
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15:15.37 | Storm-Engineer | Hi. I'm tearing my hair out... I'm unable to change file type associations, every time I do, it gets reverted. Anyone could help? |
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15:25.30 | rdieter_work | Storm-Engineer: a few more details? what distro and version of plasma? which mimetypes are you changing, and how exactly? |
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15:27.13 | Storm-Engineer | Arch, KDE 5. There is an entry at JPG fro Krita, which cannot be removed or reorganized. |
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15:29.33 | wget | Hi guys. I'm trying to make Ctrl+Space recognized in Vim but I cannot. After some time, I discovered this was Konsole which wasn't intercepting <Ctrl+Space>. To test that, I used Ctrl+V and typed <Ctrl+Space>. Do you have any idea to make <Ctrl+Space> recognized by Konsole? |
15:30.01 | hussam | Storm-Engineer, rdieter_work: I had that issue under arch too. I had to look for a mimeinfo.something in some hidden folder in my home dir and manually delete it. after than, I could change file handling again. |
15:31.05 | BoeroBoy | wget: sounds like a keyboard layout issue? |
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15:33.22 | huftis | Is there an easy way to figure out which files Baloo is currently indexing? (Or: âWhy is baloo_file thrashing my hard drive?â) |
15:34.46 | hussam | huftis: I went to system settings -> search and disabled every folder other than Documents and Pictures. it scans your whole home dir by default. |
15:36.15 | huftis | hussam: Yes, I know I can do that. But I actually *want* it to index my whole home directory. But sometimes (like just now) it seems to thrash by harddrive for a long time for no reason (i.e., there are no new files). |
15:37.00 | hussam | I think it reads entire files and indexes content. |
15:37.17 | hussam | which can be heavy |
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15:41.27 | strayPuppy | baloo should use something like rsync and only index them if there are new changes to the file. |
15:42.04 | wget | BoeroBoy: Nope. My layout is working flawlessly. |
15:42.18 | wget | Just Ctrl + Space isn't recognized inside Konsole. |
15:42.18 | BoeroBoy | hmm |
15:42.32 | hussam | you could do lsof -p `pidof baloo_file_extractor` |
15:42.40 | hussam | to find which file it is reading. |
15:42.59 | wget | Ctrl+V reports nothing. While if I press another keyboard sequences, something appears on the screen |
15:43.57 | strayPuppy | wget: type cat and inside cat see what ctrl-space prints |
15:45.29 | wget | strayPuppy: nothing with Ctrl+Space |
15:45.42 | wget | otherwise the riht characters are printed correctly. |
15:45.48 | strayPuppy | huh, that's weird, works for me. |
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15:47.25 | Captain_Sifff | Hi there I have changed to KDE5. How do I migrate the contents of the wallets? |
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15:49.51 | wget | strayPuppy: As my Arch Linux install is quite old, I'm gonna try with a fresh Debian KDE Live I have. But this is Plasma 4 which is running on it. |
15:49.57 | wget | strayPuppy: Gonna recheck whne I'm at home; |
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15:50.40 | strayPuppy | Im using Ubuntu LTS myself |
15:50.42 | Storm-Engineer | I regret going to KDE 5 a thousand times... everything is broken as fuck. I had no problems with KDE 4... why is 5 released when it's broken all over... |
15:51.14 | strayPuppy | Storm-Engineer: that's why I'm not going to try it. |
15:51.34 | strayPuppy | heard too much crap about it |
15:51.53 | Storm-Engineer | strayPuppy: But Arch is already forcing it, they are removing KDE 4 support any time by now, while 5 is still unusable |
15:52.08 | hussam | yes |
15:52.24 | wget | strayPuppy: Quite stable for me. Except the migratio,n from Plasma 4 was a nightmare. Now, with recent Plasma 5 applets I need to respecify my password for Wi-Fi networks. kio5 is broken on my side and kde agent refuses to start. |
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15:53.20 | eplightning | Storm-Engineer: since arch is 100% bleeding edge software how is dropping kde4 surprising |
15:53.38 | strayPuppy | well I guess that's not a nightmare, but only a bad dream. |
15:53.43 | Storm-Engineer | Systray icons broken, Plasma keeps crashing, several settings glitchy, Skype doesn'"t integrate into my theme, file associations screwed up... there are so many broken things I can't even list them |
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15:54.12 | hussam | kde4 was perfect. |
15:54.30 | eplightning | and I remember people bitching about kde4 saying how kde3 is perfect |
15:54.35 | Storm-Engineer | All teh things broken in 5 worked flawlessly in 4 |
15:54.54 | BoeroBoy | ^^ my experience too |
15:55.01 | BoeroBoy | and Analog Clock plasmoid taking 20% cpu |
15:55.05 | hussam | kde3 was great apart from a few bad kicker crashes in 3.4 |
15:55.07 | Storm-Engineer | i WOULD live teh new stuff in KDE 5, I really would... if it wasn't UNUSABLE |
15:55.09 | BoeroBoy | was'nt in 4. |
15:55.30 | Storm-Engineer | I spent the last 3 days just trying to make this shit usable, while my work is piling up... |
15:55.38 | hussam | I tried gnome for three months. very nice and polished visually. nautilus is good. but gnome-shell leaks a lot of memory (mostly cairo issues). |
15:55.39 | BoeroBoy | do appreciate the effort tho, devs. I know it's not easy and fairly thankless when things work great. |
15:55.43 | Storm-Engineer | Session restore broken too |
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15:56.06 | hussam | valgrind would always point to fontconfig and cairo... |
15:56.20 | Storm-Engineer | KDE 5 should be considered public bate, rather than stable... why the fuck are then people forcing the migration |
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15:56.29 | eplightning | nobody is forcing anyone? |
15:56.35 | Storm-Engineer | Arch does |
15:56.38 | BoeroBoy | ^^ just the distros |
15:56.40 | hussam | because Qt4 support stopped. |
15:56.42 | BoeroBoy | :-/ |
15:56.44 | eplightning | because it's Arch |
15:56.55 | eplightning | if you don't like bleeding edge debian is there for you |
15:57.00 | huftis | hussam: Thanks for the âlsofâ trick. |
15:57.13 | hussam | huftis: anytime. |
15:57.20 | Storm-Engineer | Never had an issue with Arch |
15:57.24 | BoeroBoy | I have a stable Fedora 20 kde spin that's perfectly happy with KDE4 too. may want to try that |
15:57.48 | Storm-Engineer | My issue is that KDE 5 is not nearly stable or finished, yet people already talk about dropping support for 4 |
15:57.57 | hussam | one good thing is that Qt6 won't be as major as Qt5 is. |
15:59.45 | BoeroBoy | https://xkcd.com/948/ |
15:59.54 | BoeroBoy | whoops wrong channel sorry |
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16:03.03 | Markus_KMi | Arch is broken half the time anyway. |
16:05.05 | Storm-Engineer | Arch was never broken for me |
16:05.20 | Storm-Engineer | My problem is KDE 5, not Arch |
16:07.01 | eplightning | works for me, also since 5.4 had one crash (and that's probably because KF5 update) + issue with kbuildsycoca5 which was fixed day later |
16:07.54 | Storm-Engineer | I never had a crash. |
16:08.11 | Storm-Engineer | Abd I'm using Arch for a few years by now |
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16:08.34 | Storm-Engineer | Anyway... |
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16:38.38 | Taoki | Hello. I have a plasma5 related question: Is there any way to adjust the update speed of the monitor widgets (CPU monitor, memory status, etc)? The KDE4 versions had that in the settings, but the Plasma5 variants don't seem to. The speed is apparently hardcoded to 2 seconds, which is too little for me. |
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16:52.59 | hussam | with baloosearch --type, what are the valid "types"? |
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17:05.23 | ken_fallon | Can someone point me to a how I can enable a screen reader (like orca) in KDE4/fedora21. I need to test some websites. |
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17:20.01 | ken_fallon | just discovered dnf install kdeaccessibility.noarch - let's see how we go |
17:21.05 | Storm-Engineer | Anybody knows of a good guide on how to revert to KDE 4? |
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17:22.51 | BlaXpirit | Storm-Engineer, this is the most distro-specific thing ever |
17:23.08 | hussam | Storm-Engineer: which distribution? |
17:24.43 | hussam | Storm-Engineer: should be rather easy though. http://download.kde.org/stable/4.14.3/src/ |
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17:30.18 | deper29 | when I go into my desktop settings to change my wallpaper, none of the thumbnails show up. Would anyone know why? |
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17:31.57 | hussam | deper29: plasma5? install kio-extras |
17:33.10 | Storm-Engineer | hussam: Arch |
17:33.24 | deper29 | hussam: plasma5, yeah. I'll give that a shot. Thanks! |
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17:33.59 | hussam | Storm-Engineer: should be easy then. checkout the svn tree and revert to a revision around 4.14.3 and package the things you want. |
17:35.18 | deper29 | hussam: you're a wonderful human being. did the trick :) |
17:35.27 | deper29 | what is in kio-extras? |
17:36.30 | hussam | deper29: it contains the kioslaves for thumbnails, trash, etc... |
17:36.55 | deper29 | ah, gotcha. this was bugging me a lot |
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17:38.04 | genstorm | hussam: so plasma-workspace actually depends on a kde-apps package? |
17:38.55 | hussam | I guess. when I had that problem, I was asked to installed kio-extras and it worked. |
17:41.21 | hussam | Storm-Engineer: you could go with gnome 3.18 which is around the corner till kf5 based apps mature. it works without crashes/bugs but you'll be running two instances of gnome-shell and they will eat 1GB or ram every 24 hours if you're on xorg. |
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17:46.41 | Storm-Engineer | hussam: I'm a KDE user, why the hell would I want to change to Gnome?! |
17:47.02 | Storm-Engineer | All I want is going bacvk to KDE 4 which worked EXACTLY as I wanted, without problems |
17:47.20 | BlaXpirit | Storm-Engineer, install kubuntu 14.04 :| |
17:47.27 | Storm-Engineer | WTF |
17:47.34 | Storm-Engineer | No |
17:47.44 | BlaXpirit | well then have fun |
17:47.48 | Storm-Engineer | Why are people telling me to change what is not broken |
17:48.10 | hussam | Well, if you're on arch, going back to kde4 is easy. |
17:48.17 | BlaXpirit | uhh no |
17:48.25 | BlaXpirit | if it is not broken, then i understand there is no problem? |
17:48.32 | Storm-Engineer | ... |
17:48.35 | Storm-Engineer | FFS |
17:48.46 | hussam | if you're not willing to compile from scratch, there are distributions which shipped kde4 |
17:48.58 | Storm-Engineer | I want to revert to KDE 4, NOT change to Gnome, NOTE change to *buntu |
17:49.12 | BlaXpirit | Storm-Engineer, so why are you not listening to hussam? |
17:49.15 | genstorm | does arch still provide kde4? |
17:49.19 | BlaXpirit | not really |
17:49.33 | Storm-Engineer | BlaXpirit: WTF again, not listening??? HUH |
17:49.36 | BlaXpirit | maybe just plasma |
17:49.42 | hussam | genstorm: not prepackaged. you have to revert the svn tree to 4.14.3 and rebuild. |
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17:49.52 | genstorm | hussam: and never update again? |
17:50.13 | BlaXpirit | <PROTECTED> |
17:50.17 | hussam | you can update everything else. just not KDE. |
17:50.26 | BlaXpirit | not with arch you can't xD |
17:50.27 | Storm-Engineer | Guys, I had KDE 4 until I installed a fresh system, and it wasn't hacked, there was no SVN messing around |
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17:50.48 | BlaXpirit | Storm-Engineer, goddammit, arch linux does not provide KDE 4, stop and listen |
17:50.54 | Storm-Engineer | ??? |
17:51.00 | Storm-Engineer | What are you talking about again? |
17:51.12 | BlaXpirit | arch linux is my favorite distro, but i am not using it because of this |
17:51.15 | hussam | again, it's very easy to compile it from source. |
17:51.19 | BlaXpirit | should've considered what hussam is saying |
17:51.25 | Sho_ | Can you guys maybe chill out and stop being dicks to each other tho |
17:51.52 | Storm-Engineer | I have no idea what BlaXpiritis trying to say |
17:52.59 | Storm-Engineer | I'm asking how to replace a flat tire on my car, and people tell me to replace my car or switch to train... |
17:53.21 | Storm-Engineer | never mind, forget it |
17:53.25 | BlaXpirit | bad analogy, try again |
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17:53.38 | BlaXpirit | #archlinux probably scolded that guy even worse |
17:53.54 | Sho_ | He didn't do anything that needed scolding |
17:53.56 | BlaXpirit | (at least i hope so) |
17:54.20 | Ingar | BlaXpirit: there's kdebase-workspace |
17:54.32 | BlaXpirit | [:49:36] <BlaXpirit> maybe just plasma |
17:54.43 | hussam | Sho_: it's kinda easy to do what he was asking for under archlinux. it's just svn -r something cd somewhere and type makepkg. |
17:54.43 | Ingar | the arch kde wiki is awfuly confusing |
17:55.06 | BlaXpirit | hussam, i would go for source downloads or something |
17:55.27 | hussam | yes |
17:55.46 | Sho_ | hussam: Sounds like something that's easy to do when you already know the concepts and steps involved :) |
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17:56.10 | hussam | fair enough. |
17:56.15 | BlaXpirit | ...and not throwing "WTF"s and "FFS"s left and right |
17:56.41 | Sho_ | He was provoked |
17:56.56 | BlaXpirit | no |
17:57.05 | BlaXpirit | he was given two working solutions |
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17:57.18 | Sho_ | "Install Gnome" or "install Kubuntu" aren't useful solutions to "How do I get KDE 4 on Arch" |
17:57.48 | BlaXpirit | he didn't even say arch at first, and that wasn't the problem statement |
17:58.22 | hussam | I can package kde 4.14.3 for him. |
17:58.38 | BlaXpirit | hussam, do u use arch linux? |
17:58.47 | Sho_ | BlaXpirit: Actually he did say Arch first but it was some time earlier |
17:59.00 | hussam | yes, since judd's days over a decade ago. |
17:59.37 | BlaXpirit | there probably even are already full instructions for compiling kde 4 |
17:59.41 | BlaXpirit | maybe even something on AUR |
17:59.58 | BlaXpirit | i really should reconsider this, cuz kubuntu 14.04 is making me really angry |
18:00.42 | BlaXpirit | (not more angry than kde 5 though) |
18:01.10 | genstorm | BlaXpirit: sorry, what's that kde 5 you are talking about? :p |
18:01.12 | Sho_ | is happy with his plasma 5 on fedora |
18:01.37 | Ingar | has cursed both KDE and arch |
18:01.37 | BlaXpirit | genstorm, it's like HTML 5, u know? everything after HTML 4 |
18:01.46 | Ingar | but 5.4.1 seems slightly more stable |
18:01.50 | shadowbane | also likes his plasma5 on arch. |
18:02.40 | hussam | Arch's stability depends on the Linux environment stability in general which improved in the last decade. |
18:02.44 | BlaXpirit | i had dolphin 15.08 crash like 15 times today |
18:02.54 | shadowbane | Also, arch packages plasma 4 still, not sure what the fuss is about, just install kdebase-workspace if you want plasma 4... |
18:03.00 | Sho_ | BlaXpirit: backtrace? |
18:03.01 | BlaXpirit | when bringing up context menu. still not sure what causes it. it was a surprise every time |
18:03.13 | BlaXpirit | Sho_, i aint got time to produce backtrace when i'm at work |
18:03.23 | BlaXpirit | it's arch linux anyway, so it would be problematic |
18:03.34 | Sho_ | ah yeah, that's why Arch is a shitty toy distro no one should use |
18:03.47 | BlaXpirit | xD |
18:03.52 | shadowbane | Wait, why is arch a toy distro nobody should use??? |
18:03.54 | hussam | Sho_: I can reproduce that crash but dolphin is making my whole desktop freeze when it crashes. |
18:03.59 | hussam | so I cannot type bt |
18:04.01 | BlaXpirit | shadowbane, because kde 5 is garbage |
18:04.13 | hussam | well the freeze only happens when I crash it from gdb. |
18:04.17 | Sho_ | shadowbane: It doesn't have debug symbol packages, so most Arch users are too lazy or not able to file crash bug reports with useful backtraces |
18:04.39 | Sho_ | But I blame the distro for not providing them, which makes it a cancer on the community |
18:04.40 | shadowbane | Sho_: So, like most distros it ships release versions? That is standard... |
18:04.42 | hussam | Sho_: I have rebuild dolphin, kactivies, etc.. with debug symbols. |
18:04.53 | Sho_ | shadowbane: Most binary distros ship debug symbol packages |
18:05.07 | Sho_ | hussam: Then you're one of the Arch users who are neither too lazy nor incapable -- thanks |
18:05.10 | shadowbane | None that I have seen... |
18:05.33 | Sho_ | shadowbane: I can't think of any general purpose binary distro other than Arch that doesn't have debug symbol packages |
18:05.53 | hussam | Sho_: I ran dolphin from gdb. I got it to crash but the desktop froze. I could not type bt. any suggestions? |
18:06.20 | genstorm | hussam: it's still that activities bug, isn't it? |
18:06.31 | eplightning | all it takes to get debug symbols is changing options in makepkg.conf, abs package you want debug symbols for and run makepkg |
18:06.32 | Ingar | hussam: start it from an ssh session ? |
18:06.35 | Sho_ | hussam: you could run dolphin in gdb from a tty maybe |
18:06.36 | eplightning | not that much work |
18:07.03 | hussam | Ingar: would I need a second PC for that? |
18:07.10 | Ingar | hussam: yes |
18:07.34 | hussam | Sho_: so set DISPLAY and run dolphin? |
18:07.46 | Sho_ | yeah |
18:07.55 | Ingar | might have to do an xhost +localhost |
18:08.04 | hussam | ok |
18:10.28 | BlaXpirit | hussam, desktop freezes, but can u go into a tty? |
18:10.40 | hussam | yes. |
18:10.42 | BlaXpirit | so no need for another computer |
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18:10.47 | BlaXpirit | ssh localhost or something |
18:10.58 | BlaXpirit | maybe i don't understand something |
18:11.10 | BlaXpirit | ssh localhost makes no sense anyway xD |
18:12.19 | Ingar | ssh localhost -> WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! |
18:12.21 | hussam | ok, I did export DISPLAY=:0 and ran gdb /usr/bin/dolphin then run. |
18:12.34 | hussam | then ctrl+alt+f1 and dolphin showed up. |
18:13.32 | hussam | It's not crashing this way |
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18:14.26 | genstorm | it doesn't always crash for me anyway, and if, there is no backtrace |
18:15.02 | hussam | genstorm: I have most of KDE compiled with Debug and !strip. will be doing Qt5 today. |
18:15.44 | genstorm | hussam: it does crash on hover over activities context menu, does it? |
18:15.55 | BlaXpirit | oooh that's also something i thought |
18:16.08 | BlaXpirit | but then i tried purposely hovering over it and nothing |
18:16.20 | genstorm | because that's what is definitely happening here, despite the fix |
18:16.33 | genstorm | that fix just made it not reproducible all the time |
18:16.38 | hussam | genstorm: not when ran this way. the initial kactivitivies but was fixed in 5.14 so this is another issue. |
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18:17.26 | hussam | Sho_: since you are here, would you mind taking a look at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348902 and possibly confirming it? |
18:17.45 | genstorm | hussam: as I said, the fix isn't complete |
18:18.05 | genstorm | unless you are describing a non-contextmenu related crash |
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18:19.44 | Sho_ | hussam: done |
18:19.52 | hussam | Sho_: thank you very much. |
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18:54.14 | shadowbane | Doing a yum search for dolphin right now there is nothing related to debugging (fedora machine at work.) I don't remember anything about debug packages from Ubuntu back in the day either, but it was back in 09 when I stopped using it, and half of my software came from PPAs anyway due to the awful release schedule... |
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18:58.53 | hussam | shadowbane: https://wiki.debian.org/DebugPackage should be package-dbg then with debian packaging. |
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18:59.18 | shadowbane | Never used debian. I enjoy software that was released within the last 5 years. :P |
18:59.39 | hussam | it probably applies to ubuntu as well. |
19:00.55 | shadowbane | possibly. I left ubuntu after there were a couple ubuntu specific "X is unusably slow" bugs that hit me back in 09. ( And after getting frustrated with how slow their release schedule was.) |
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19:01.45 | hussam | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/StackTraces |
19:02.33 | garrettkajmowicz | Is there any way to find out which release bug 339451 is fixed in? The Version Fixed In field is blank, and this fix was checked in almost a year ago. |
19:04.39 | hussam | it fixed in october so since plasma 5.1? |
19:04.42 | hussam | if* |
19:04.56 | shadowbane | hussam: so, does fedora not compile with optimization, or do they do -o2 -g and then strip the debug symbols? Either way it seems really strange... |
19:05.17 | hussam | shadowbane: no idea, I was only doing a google search. |
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19:07.58 | hussam | perhaps ask in #fedora for their cflags. |
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19:18.27 | garrettkajmowicz | hussam: Is there a way I can use the UI to follow the change through to the actual release? Or to see if it was back-ported into a dot release for 4.x? |
19:18.56 | hussam | garrettkajmowicz: it says this was the commit https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=plasma-desktop.git&a=commit&h=026d58ac3bb78c50fb8fa5210ea3c3b07ed0422c |
19:19.37 | garrettkajmowicz | hussam: Right. |
19:19.49 | hussam | https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git this is kde4' plasma |
19:19.57 | hussam | so do a search there. |
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19:21.10 | hussam | you can look at specific tags and search the commit log |
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19:22.24 | hussam | for example, 5.1.0 tag has it in the git log https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=plasma-desktop.git&a=search&h=b6293251198283b98ccb55a846283cfc8cd3a4a5&st=commit&s=Avoid+a+lot+of+syncs+to+FavoritesModel+in+kickoff |
19:24.20 | hussam | I found a new dolphin bug and got a trace this time :D |
19:24.34 | genstorm | hussam: \o/ |
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19:29.10 | hussam | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353003 weird one actually. only occurs once after a reboot. |
19:30.38 | BlaXpirit | hmm i just thought i would give compiling kde in a virtual machine a go |
19:30.49 | BlaXpirit | but then i remembered that compiling in a virtual machine is probably not a good idea |
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19:31.19 | hussam | Qt5 is lengthy. the rest not so much. kdepim takes a while as well. |
19:31.32 | BlaXpirit | qt4 :p |
19:32.12 | hussam | ah ok. Qt4 took a while as well especially the javascriptcore part. |
19:33.03 | hussam | you could do so in chroot. |
19:33.53 | genstorm | BlaXpirit: why not build in a chroot? |
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19:34.39 | genstorm | ..ah yes |
19:34.43 | BlaXpirit | building kde 4 on ubuntu where i have kde 4 doesnt seem like a good way to try whether kde 4 can run on arch linux |
19:35.11 | hussam | a chroot is isolated |
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19:35.32 | BlaXpirit | might as well use Nix then :o |
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19:38.05 | garrettkajmowicz | hussam: Thanks for the help. I guess I'll have to upgrade to get that fix. |
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19:41.43 | cxd13 | how can i launch an application that has a kwin rule to open in another workspace, and not have it appear in the current workspace's dock (it disappears after it's selected, but i still dont want it there at all) |
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20:05.56 | King_DuckZ | hello, I've had messed up menus for a while now, anybody knows what's causing this? I tried removing my .kde4 but it didn't do anything http://imgur.com/a/pJsOd |
20:06.14 | King_DuckZ | if I disable desktop effects I simply get black where you see transparency now |
20:06.35 | King_DuckZ | but it's still unreadable - I'm using updated stable gentoo |
20:07.52 | hussam | is that kwin? |
20:08.01 | Markus_KMi | King_DuckZ: I've never seen such a bug |
20:08.13 | King_DuckZ | :( |
20:08.22 | King_DuckZ | I'm using kwin I guess, yes |
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20:08.52 | shadowbane | I remember seeing that a couple years ago i think. Something about the rendering mode and bad graphics drivers I think... |
20:08.53 | hussam | what graphics card/driver? |
20:08.59 | tosky | and if you change the type of compositor (OpenGL <-> XRandr) ? |
20:09.14 | King_DuckZ | oh and the open source ati drivers, my graphic card: VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kabini [Radeon HD 8330] |
20:09.21 | shadowbane | Could also try bumping the opengl mode up/down. |
20:10.10 | King_DuckZ | eselect opengl list ---> [1] xorg-x11 * (it's the only option available) |
20:10.23 | King_DuckZ | shadowbane: what do you mean bump the mode up? |
20:10.55 | King_DuckZ | tosky: from desktop effects --> advanced, right? |
20:11.27 | King_DuckZ | tosky: no change, unless I have to restart x or something |
20:11.27 | shadowbane | kwin supports opengl 1.4, 2.0, and 3.1 in addition to xrender. Changing the opengl mode to a different one could help if it is a driver bug. |
20:11.38 | tosky | King_DuckZ: yep, that one |
20:11.53 | tosky | King_DuckZ: and Qt graphic system, what do you have? |
20:12.43 | King_DuckZ | how do I check that? |
20:12.45 | shadowbane | As soon as you hit apply you should se a flicker and it will ask you to confirm that the settings are good. If you got that there is no need to restart anything. |
20:12.52 | shadowbane | It is the box below compositing type. |
20:13.07 | shadowbane | literally 20px down. :) |
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20:13.37 | King_DuckZ | shadowbane: yes, it asked me that much, I tried a couple combination, it looks like the corruption pattern changes a bit, then reverts to what it was, no matter what I choose |
20:13.54 | King_DuckZ | ah sorry :p |
20:14.08 | King_DuckZ | I have opengl 2.0 - Native right now |
20:14.39 | King_DuckZ | changed it to opengl 2.0 - raster, same thing |
20:14.39 | shadowbane | I really wish I rembmered what caused this back when I saw it. I'm guessing you are running on an older install? (Or a system that likes old software, such as red hat?) |
20:14.52 | King_DuckZ | stable gentoo |
20:15.07 | shadowbane | For the raster/native thing you would have to restart the application. |
20:15.17 | shadowbane | What is stable gentoo?? |
20:15.18 | King_DuckZ | with unstable drivers iirc, let me check |
20:15.19 | genstorm | King_DuckZ: you might want to try unmask latest mesa |
20:15.29 | hussam | xrender backend helps? |
20:16.09 | King_DuckZ | shadowbane: ok let me retry, I didn't restart it |
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20:19.50 | King_DuckZ | I tried several combinations and checked in dolphin (open, check menu, close), I couldn't see any change in any case |
20:20.17 | King_DuckZ | also I tried XRender - Native, but it won't let me set XRender - Raster |
20:20.58 | King_DuckZ | mesa I have right now: media-libs/mesa-10.3.7-r1:0 |
20:21.40 | hussam | Can you update to 10.6.8? |
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20:22.02 | King_DuckZ | not sure if this is useful info http://pastebin.com/xUCPTneY |
20:22.17 | King_DuckZ | hussam: I can try |
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