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00:34.17justJanneWhat should I do if this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348270 still occurs?
00:35.29justJanneit’s quite annoying now that firefox switched to gtk3
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00:53.05Markus_KMiupdate gtk3
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01:04.10justJanneis latest.
01:04.21justJanneAnd I’m running arch, so "latest" seriously means "latest"
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01:07.30justJanneMarkus_KMi: any other suggestions? I can try to compile the latest gtk from git sources, but I don't think that'll help much
01:10.18Markus_KMiFedora ships GTK3-based Firefox since version 22. They shipped a fix as regular Update
01:10.32Markus_KMiprobably the same as that commiz
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01:11.04justJanneI updated to Firefox-42-nightly, which uses Gtk3.
01:11.08justJanneAnd has that issue.
01:14.20Sho_I don't have this problem on Fedora 22 btw
01:14.23Sho_with Firefox nightly
01:15.01justJanneMarkus_KMi mentioned that Fedora ships patched binaries, so they might have included a patch that's not in upstream gtk yet
01:15.11justJanneI'm compiling gtk from source in the meantime
01:16.01Markus_KMijustJanne: Are you using X11 with the libinput-based driver?
01:16.27justJanneMarkus_KMi: seems like it, why?
01:17.15Markus_KMii remember now that it helped to revert to the regular x11 input driver
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01:19.16justJanneso, I checked, I am not using xf86-input-libinput. Well, I’ll try it with it then. Maybe that helps?
01:19.33justJannerandomly toggling all possible configurations means I at least know what doesn't work
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01:31.14justJanneMarkus_KMi: works now. Switched to xf86-input-libinput and recompiled gtk3 from git-HEAD sources
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03:49.49SJrWhat version of Qt does KDE Plasma 5.4 use?
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04:14.18thiagoSJr: how did you install Plasma 5.4?
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05:08.48sujeetHi, I'm running plasma 5.4.1. what controls the lock screen? Is it within the Breeze "Look and Feel" theme? I would like to change the timezone it uses on the clock it displays.
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08:01.35vtqHi, I recently upgraded. What happened to Konsole? I can't reorder or detach tabs anymore
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08:23.30hateballvtq: what did you even upgrade
08:23.38hateballperhaps you upgraded RAM in your machine
08:23.43hateballor the firefox web browser
08:23.45hateballwho can know
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08:39.15vtqhateball: fedora
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08:42.15vtqhateball: at any rate, the ability to reorder tabs seems to have got lost at some point, and that seems like a weird un-KDE-ish thing
08:42.19icwiener_vtq: What version do you use now? In 15.08.0 I can still drag&drop tabs.
08:43.25icwiener_vtq: Detaching also works here.
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08:45.38vtqicwiener_: 15.04.0, frameworks 5.12.0. Hmm, guess it may be a good idea to try to build the latest source then
08:46.17genstormI'm late to the discussion, what application lacks drag and drop?
08:46.22vtqkonsole
08:46.47genstormthen if it works for icwiener_ that is because it is a patched version
08:47.09vtqalright, I'll get on compiling then
08:47.12genstormthis was fixed in 15.08.1
08:48.20vtqgood to know, this is driving me nuts
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08:53.25icwiener_genstorm: Thanks for the info. Then the Debian version 15.08.0 is patched.
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09:21.57zaccanastahello guys: is there a way to save yakuake sessions?
09:22.11zaccanastai found yakuake-sessions, it's a python script, other options?
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09:39.13Kendos-KenlenFuchs: I don't know how, but my problem of yesterday (the crash of plasma) is solved. Everything goes well now!
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10:21.09transylvaniahello, I have a small problem with kde5 on debian sid/experimental: the task bar disappeared and I don't have any contextual menu on right click to add the panel again.
10:21.56transylvaniamaybe a part of plasma is crahed but which one ?
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10:25.40kichawahi folks
10:25.40leszektransylvania: no contextmenu at all on right click ?
10:25.44kichawaany problem with icon in tray (plasma5)?
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10:25.47kichawawhen i turn off and turn on in extra elements its appear again
10:26.21leszekkichawa: yeah I had that with the plasma-volume-control widget. Its a known bug
10:26.37transylvanialeszek: not at all
10:27.25leszektransylvania: seems like plasmashell crashed. Can you press ALT+F2 to bring up krunner ? If yes execute plasmashell and it should restore the desktop including the panel (if you did not removed it)
10:28.47transylvanialeszek: krunner works
10:29.12leszekand if you enter plasmashell into it and hit enter ? Does it bring up the desktop again ?
10:29.19transylvaniaplasmashell as a command does nothing and I have /usr/bin/plasmashell --shut-up
10:29.25transylvaniain my ps
10:29.44transylvaniaI have a konsole opened
10:29.50leszekcan you enter then kquitapp plasmashell to try closing it in krunner
10:29.58leszekor konsole
10:30.16leszekif it does not work kill all instances of it and try again launching it
10:30.17transylvaniadone
10:30.33transylvaniaok get it back
10:30.59transylvaniathanls
10:31.05transylvaniathanks
10:31.14leszek:)
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10:36.56kichawaleszek: in my case i think it's problem with plasma-pa
10:37.24leszekplasma-pa = plasma-volume-control ?
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10:39.14kichawaperhaps
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10:43.15T3RM1NU5https://web.archive.org/web/19990830194941/http://www.ecu.edu.au/projects/y2k/
10:43.23T3RM1NU5oh my wrong chan
10:43.29T3RM1NU5:|
10:43.51T3RM1NU5still worth a laugh although off topic
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10:59.25zaccanastahello guys: is there a way to save yakuake sessions?
10:59.26zaccanastai found yakuake-sessions, it's a python script, other options?
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11:04.39derDudeanyone have problems launching krunner in plasma? I just upgraded and either krunner doesn't show after launch or it crashes with segmentation fault...
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11:08.11peterix... is dolphin now hardcoded to use a white background?
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11:09.05peterixit even has an active and inactive colors...
11:09.13peterixone white and one light grey
11:09.31peterixexcept I use a dark color scheme
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11:11.04peterixthis transition between kde 4 and 5 is painful.
11:11.41poboikoderDude: show us the backtrace :)
11:13.15hendrixpeterix: no, dolphin's colors are not hardcoded.
11:13.35peterixit does not use the theme colors for background
11:14.45peterixhttp://i.imgur.com/z1jsHnG.png
11:14.59hendrixpeterix: KDE4 -programs colors worked for me when I made symlink  ~/.kde4/share/config/kdeglobals to point ~/.config/kdeglobals
11:15.13peterix...
11:15.15peterixok
11:15.17hendrixbefore that they didn't work
11:15.47peterixI would be a lot happier if kde 4 wasn't falling apart like this
11:16.12peterixthanks, I'll try this workaround :)
11:16.33hendrixpeterix: that's if you use plasma 5.
11:16.38peterixI don't
11:16.42peterixit crashes X
11:16.59T3RM1NU5Hey anyone else having this issue on Plasma5 when I change folder view settings plasmashell tends to hang and peg the CPU for a bit.  After a minute or so it goes back to normal
11:17.55peterixI am tempted to just build KDE from a year ago and use it for the foreseeable future, until plasma 5 stabilizes
11:18.23peterixmight start an arch repo for this.
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11:21.47peterix~/.config/kdeglobals -> ~/.kde4/share/config/kdeglobals helps
11:22.09peterixpretty much the reverse
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11:24.53peterixall my applications seem to use the builtin Qt style now
11:24.59peterixshrugs
11:26.04derDudeas to my krunner problem, removing krunnerrc from ~/.kde4/share/config/ (forcing to to use default config) fixed the problem of krunner staying invisible
11:26.09peterix... why do the themes depend on plasma?
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11:26.37peterixwhy don't they depend just on Qt?
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11:27.31peterixI basically lost the oxygen theme, it's no longer available >_<
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11:29.37einar77_workpeterix: 4.x or KF5 based desktop?
11:29.43peterix4
11:29.47einar77_workpeterix: try removing ~/.config/Trolltech.conf
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11:30.31peterixno, it is impossible to install without removing kdebase-workspace. I absolutely do not want plasma 5 on a work machine
11:30.42peterixmaybe in a year or two
11:30.45peterixwhen it is usable
11:30.55peterixok...
11:31.43peterixinteresting file
11:34.03peterixhalf of the problem is probably how it's packaged
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11:39.38BluesKajHowdy all
11:41.59peterixalright. thanks. it's better now :)
11:42.10peterixhopefully it won't eat my settings :)
11:44.31peterix... it could
11:44.39peterixI mean, symlinking two files together
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13:46.21PinholeWhen I scroll up with the mouse in konsole, the lines above are blank.  Is there a way to fix that without restarting konsole?
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13:48.36PinholeAh, found it.  you need to disable scrollback and then re-enable it.  Strange.
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14:05.10SJrThere is a bug in QT 5.4 that is pretty fatal for me and only fixed in QT 5.5. Is there a KDE that is built against this version. The bug is: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343674
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14:09.09rdieter_workSJr: ask your distro?  (or switch to a distro that uses 5.5)
14:14.10SJrActually is there a way to disable auto-updates of display configurations to X?
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14:21.59rdieter_workSJr: what do you mean by "auto-updates of display configurations" exactly?  (regardless, I'm guessing the answer is no)
14:22.41rdieter_workperhaps you're talking about xrandr events?
14:22.42SJrIn older versions of KDE  (or maybe X) if you unplugged a monitor etc, it would just leave the display configuration (e.g., monitor layouts alone). Now it seems to change them.
14:23.03FuchsSJr: that would be kscreen
14:23.11FuchsSJr: that can be disabled in systemsettings5, under the services
14:23.31SJrBasically the problem right now is unless I leave my monitors on 24/7 as soon as my main monitor goes into power savings it crashes KDE.
14:24.23rdieter_workdisabling kscreen service may help, but also means you may not be able to use it to configure screen settings anymore either.
14:30.44SJrHmmmmm
14:30.48SJrI think we have a winner :)
14:30.54SJrI was just able to turn off my monitor without KDE crashing
14:31.40SJrLol something crashed when I turned it back on but not the session :(
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15:04.21cybermailswhat is the difference between special window settings and special application settings?
15:05.18Fuchswhat it matches, one tries to match a specific window  (e.g. only the contact list or chat window), the other tries to match all of an application
15:05.41PinholeHow do I make konsole scroll with the mouse wheel instead of just cycling through by bash history?  It's like it is just pressing up or something.
15:06.40cybermailsFuchs: so the first one matches a sub window within an application? like say 'Library' window of 'Firefox'?
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16:16.43Ingaraaan today kscreen forgot my monitor config again
16:19.21MoonUnit`saw this today, fingers crossed it hasn't hit me. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=202717  KDE screen rotation broken
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16:28.45rdieter_workgarrettkajmowicz: afaik, no, it's all in the same database
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16:48.25garrettkajmowiczrdieter_work: So, if I have a slow home directory (NFS mounted over WAN), I have to choose either mobile/persistant data, or high performance, right?
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16:49.40rdieter_workgarrettkajmowicz: or do what I do in that case, set XDG_DATA_HOME env var to some local (non nfs) dir
16:50.07rdieter_workso something else is used instead of default ~/.local/share
16:50.28garrettkajmowiczrdieter_work: Right. And that means that my personal annotations are no longer mobile and persistant across machines, right?
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17:04.40quupHi, just did dnf update on fedora 22, and I got plasma 5.4 but '/usr/bin/plasmashell --shut-up' is using 130% cpu and X is using 60% CPU, ALl I have open is this konsole window
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17:04.50quupany way to find out what it's doing?
17:05.09genstormquup: any monitor widget in place?
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17:05.33quupgenstorm: not that I know
17:05.44genstormquup: what version of kservice did you install?
17:06.38quup5.13
17:06.55quuphm, I enable/disabled a virtual network card (virbr0) and now CPU went back to normal
17:07.12genstorminteresting
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17:17.46rdieter_workgarrettkajmowicz: right
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17:27.54garrettkajmowiczSadly, I think I need to write a "why Linux/GNU/OSS" isn't ready for the Enterprise post one of these days...
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17:29.02cb400fcuz the enterprise distros tend to push gnome? >:-)
17:30.24cb400f... to the extent the push desktop linux at all :-/
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17:55.44rackwyrmHi, I
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17:58.24rackwyrmI'm using the latest versions of the kde5, and my issue started after updating to the latest frameworks. Everytime I reboot and log on, I cannot open a single application. Sometimes I would get the message that kdeinit couldn't open the program. I need to logout, switch to a VT, log in to delete the .Xauthority file from my user, restart sddm, log back in, and then everything works.
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18:28.29DracwyrmDoes anyone know what color setting is used for window borders?
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18:42.11fpshi, is there a way to get stuff like the kde power managemend daemon, kmixer, etc, basically everything besides kwin and panels to run in a different WM?
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18:48.32rdieter_workfps: kinda... after login run your own window manager: foo_win --replace
18:48.52rdieter_work(that said, the experience won't be nearly as good imo)
18:50.35rdieter_workfps: to make the change permanent, set env var:    KDEWM=foo_win  (obviously use something other than foo_win there)
18:52.08fpsrdieter_work: yeah, that used to work ok, previously, and for some time there was also a way of using .desktop files
18:52.22fpsbut lately with xmonad and kde5 things don't quite work anymore in this way
18:52.29rdieter_workplasma5 systemsettings doesn't seem to have any UI for it anymore
18:52.49rdieter_workbut startkde script (still) uses KDEWM var
18:52.49fpsrdieter_work: the systemsettings way failed hard here, too :) when i tried..
18:53.10rdieter_workthat's why I suggested testing with foo --replace first
18:53.18rdieter_workto make sure it works as expected
18:53.27fpsusually everything goes to crap then :)
18:53.39fpsthat's why i asked whether there's a different way to start the interesting components :)
18:54.09rdieter_workno, means your alternate window manager is missing things that plasma5 expects... apparently (or works differently enough to cause problems)
18:54.35fpsok, thanks though
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18:55.29chars6hey, i was just in #gnome asking about a feature
18:55.54chars6it exists on mac, not sure about windows, and i've had no luck finding a way to do it in kde
18:56.14chars6anwyay, on mac, when you click a text box and start typing the mouse cursor will be hidden
18:56.42chars6in kde on the other hand, you click, start typing, notice the cursor is above the text, and then have to move it manually
18:56.55chars6is there anyway to auto hide it like mac and gnome do?
18:57.22chars6it's my number 1 biggest gripe with kde
18:57.48rdieter_workchars6: your gripe is the appearance of a '|' after what you're typing ?
18:58.10rdieter_workmust be doing pretty good if that's #1 :)
18:58.27Kelsari guess he means the mouse cursor
18:58.28chars6rdieter_work: having a mouse cursor above text while i'm typing in a text box
18:58.38rdieter_workah *mouse* cursor
18:59.16chars6say you click in a search box. it's only yea long, and as you type the text goes below the cursor
18:59.57chars6you know what i mean?
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19:01.35rdieter_workinteresting, this forum thread implies the opposite, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=177072
19:01.54rdieter_work"I really like how qt apps will hide the cursor while typing...  however, GTK apps don't seem to do this."
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19:02.07rdieter_workbut it doesn't seem to actually do that for me
19:02.25chars6rdieter_work: i've been looking for a way to do this on and off for months
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19:02.43Kelsarit does for me in kde, but only if the mouse cursor is above the field you are typing in (palsma5)
19:02.44rdieter_workah, context matters I guess
19:02.46chars6gonna see if that xbanish program is in my repos
19:02.57rdieter_workfor example, in systemsettings5's search box, my mouse cursor *does* disappear while typing
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19:03.08Kelsarand only for qt apps ;)
19:03.08chars6nope, not there
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19:03.25rdieter_workALT-f2 krunner, cursor stays though
19:03.38Kelsarrdieter_work: here too
19:03.42rdieter_workKelsar: which apps are you testing?
19:03.47chars6Kelsar: hey, you're right. it's doing it right now in my irc client... never noticed that before
19:03.52Kelsarrdieter_work: dolphin
19:04.12rdieter_workkonversation does it right too
19:04.16chars6allright, in that case. most importantly i want this woking in firefox
19:04.27rdieter_workfirefox isn't a qt or kde app
19:04.36chars6which is i have no idea which toolkit
19:04.39rdieter_workyou'd have to bug mozilla.org to implement it I guess
19:04.42chars6yea
19:05.00chars6rdieter_work: really? i doub't i'd get a response from mozilla
19:05.32rdieter_workchars6: better luck that way, than hoping kde.org could possibly do anything about it
19:05.38chars6i don't even know which toolkit firefox uses?
19:05.50Kelsarchars6: they have their own
19:05.54chars6oh
19:05.55rdieter_workxulrunner
19:05.59rdieter_workiirc
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19:08.09rdieter_worklooks like chrome doesn't hide my cursor either, not for the address bar or text fields at least
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19:08.56chars6do you guys not find this incredibly annoying?
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19:09.05Kelsarchars6: didn't even notice till now
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19:09.27chars6Kelsar: i don't notice every time, but when i do i can't stand it
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19:30.30fpsi wonder how hard it would be to port xmonad's tiling mode over to kwin..
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19:46.37svuorelafps: I think you can do something with kwin scripting. I don't know how it ended up, but there was some kind of tiling back in the day in kwin, but grew unmaintained and removed.
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19:47.46AlmAckhi, with "user manager" under system settings is possible to change user icon on both kde an sddm (sddm faces)?
19:48.21AlmAckor an other question, there is a way to automatically apply the user image to sddm? (create a sddm face.image file)
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20:08.48tneohello, how can I disable the clipboard plasmoid in plasma5 ?
20:09.09FuchsRight click, open the settings,
20:09.32Fuchsin the second vertical tab  (entries  or something like that) you can hide it, if that is sufficient for you
20:09.54Fuchsor in the first one you can disable it, just untick the checkbox
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20:11.57tneoFuchs, in plasma5 I don't have tab and no option to disable it instantly...
20:12.24Fuchstneo: in the general systemtray settings, not those of klipper
20:12.37Fuchsyou can right click the arrow at the right end of the systray
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20:13.21tneoaha, sorry!
20:13.26tneoThansk
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20:14.13Fuchsno worries, you're welcome
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20:14.49fpsi guess i could also live with autohiding panels [check], decorationless windows [no check], and some hotkeys to maximize, snap left half and snap right half [no check] windows
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20:16.28fpsdecorationless windows only when windows are maximized or snapped left or rightr
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20:16.40fpswould that be possible?
20:19.30fpsi guess so
20:19.36fpsmight look into it more tomorrow
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20:26.15fpsreading up on kwin scripting
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20:27.14fpshttps://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/KWin/Scripting
20:27.38fpsinteresting. in the browser you could just extend the client object with an additional property instead of maintaining an array
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20:27.46fpsis the same true for JS in kwin scripting?
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20:29.39ccoloradoI have a problem with my plasma-desktop. It seems to stall preiodically guestimating 30 seconds every 5 minutes. UI becomes unresponsive, despite not doing anything to load the system. I have seen some similar documented workarouds but they are for intel graphic cards not ati ones. Any ideas ?
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20:30.55fpsccolorado: does it persist if you disable compositing?
20:31.35ccoloradofps:  haven't tried. Where can I disable it ?
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20:37.02fpsccolorado: shift-alt-f12
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20:38.18ccoloradooh right. im going to try that thanks
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20:50.12ccoloradofps: removed ~/.kde seems to be stable now :)
20:50.42ccoloradocomposite seems to stall  but it is minimal
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21:04.04fpsccolorado: great
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21:20.25Narfingerhiho, so what is the deal with ktp vs kopete? is kopete deprecated and telepathy the new hotness?
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21:21.26genstormNarfinger: both are developed
21:21.48genstormdifference being, ktp has a kf5-based release, kopete only a porting branch
21:22.02Narfingerso will kopete have a kf5 base in the future?
21:22.17genstormif porting continues
21:22.32Narfingerso why then two different things?
21:22.45Fuchsbecause they have different directions and use cases
21:22.58FuchsI could never use ktp because it, as an example, does not provide per-account status
21:23.07Fuchs(ignoring for now that KF5 ktp is completely broken here)
21:23.27Fuchsusers can choose either, I'd say kopete is more for advanced / power users, while most standard users should be happy with what ktp provides
21:23.33Narfingerso kopete for power users and ktp for normal users?
21:23.40Narfingerok that is what i wanted to know, thanks :)
21:25.40ccoloradoI think I may have called victory way too ealy. freezing continues.;
21:28.03ccoloradowow that baloo_file_extractor is pegging my Hard drive
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21:28.27genstormccolorado: ah, for you as well? ;)
21:29.06ccoloradoI remember nepomuk following the exact same behaivour
21:30.03ccoloradoI honestly think I have spend sooo much time troubleshooting kde indexing solutions to get any benefit from the indexing itself
21:30.17Fuchsgood thing there is a checkbox to turn it off ;p
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21:30.49ccoloradoFuchs: the hard part is understanding what is going on
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21:32.10ccoloradoThat is if is the indexing what is freezing my desktop
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21:33.36FuchsI somewhat doubt it. I'd have a look at ~/.xsession-errors, dmesg and the likes. If you suspect indexing, disable it and see if the problem persists.
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21:34.31genstormFuchs: doesn't help if krunner still crashes with baloo in backtrace ;)
21:34.55Fuchsthat is an entirely different thing  (haven't had that one yet, though)
21:35.18genstormyeah
21:35.21FuchsI have plenty of other things that bother me :p
21:35.34Fuchsgenstorm: speaking of which, you don't happen to use the proprietary nvidia driver, do you
21:35.54genstormnope, I'm in the comfortable position of not having to deal with nvidia
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21:36.06ccoloradoI use it on my other pc. What about it ?
21:36.13ccoloradoFuchs: ^
21:36.15FuchsI would call the alternatives a lot worse, but bleh, in this case you can't help me trying to reproduce something. Ignore :p
21:36.37Fuchsccolorado: there seems to be a bug in nvidia-tls which causes a konsole hang and 100% CPU usage on close
21:37.15Fuchsbasically https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344119 / http://osdir.com/ml/konsole-devel/2015-02/msg00076.html     and I'd wonder if there are set ups or distributions where that doesn't occur
21:38.07ccoloradoI see, can't say I have had that happend to me
21:39.01Fuchsinteresting
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21:41.35ccoloradoThings seem a lot less unstable after diabling the baloo thing.  I hope that was it
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21:43.35ccoloradoOn kde 4 I used to be able to add some buttons to windows ( keep above all, and to all virtual desktops). I can't find where to to add them. Are they still available or is the right click menu the only option ?
21:44.19ccoloradoI couldn't find it on the window behaivour settings
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21:45.48FuchsThey are still available,
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21:45.53Fuchsin the window decoration settings
21:46.06Fuchsthat is in the application appearance thingie
21:46.19Fuchsat the bottom you can drag and drop buttons around
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21:47.29ccoloradoFuchs: oh thanks :D
21:47.35ccoloradoI see them
21:47.39Fuchsyou're welcome
21:48.20Fuchsand: nighty night. If you happen to not be able to reproduce the konsole thingie  (close a couple of them, having multiple tabs might help) I'd be interested in what distribution that is, and what version of the nvidia driver. Feel free to drop in query, I have a bouncer, I'll read backlog. Thanks.
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