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| 17:51.18 | hassoon | i wonter there is a widget in kde that allows me to write some bash script, and echo its output on the plasma panel |
| 17:51.21 | hassoon | i woder * |
| 17:51.24 | hassoon | i wonder * |
| 17:52.25 | BlaXpirit | i mean i basically made one but it probably doesnt work because im pretty sure python support was just forgotten |
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| 18:06.32 | Mikaela | Hi, is KDE Plasma 5 considered as production ready? According to #antergos it has been said that it was said to be "beta until declared as production ready" and I cannot find any declaration (or whereever that quote was said) |
| 18:07.35 | BlaXpirit | Mikaela, it's very buggy alright, but developers are deep in denial |
| 18:08.01 | Mikaela | so not considered as production ready? |
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| 18:08.07 | BlaXpirit | still, many people are lucky enough to not run into bugs or regressions or ... forgotten features |
| 18:08.56 | BlaXpirit | Mikaela, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KDE-5-Is-It-Stable |
| 18:09.29 | Mikaela | thanks |
| 18:09.41 | hein | Mikaela: It's a stable release series, not a beta |
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| 18:12.16 | hein | Mikaela: Your experience in practice can vary based on external factors (e.g. most of the problems mentioned in the article that was just linked are bugs in a particular GPU driver) and there are some areas that are still genuinely a bit rough (e.g. multiscreen) |
| 18:12.36 | BlaXpirit | hein, blah blah blah |
| 18:12.47 | BlaXpirit | kde 4 works well, kde 5 ig a buggy mess on the same hardware |
| 18:12.48 | Mikaela | https://github.com/Antergos/Cnchi/issues/373 is the Antergos issue on the subject |
| 18:12.51 | BlaXpirit | DRIVERS FAULT |
| 18:13.13 | hein | BlaXpirit: Drivers are software, not hardware |
| 18:13.30 | BlaXpirit | with same drivers, whatever |
| 18:14.10 | hein | BlaXpirit: KDE 4 and Qt 4 use different driver APIs than Plasma 5 and Qt 5 |
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| 18:14.26 | hein | BlaXpirit: So they hit different sorts of driver issues |
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| 18:14.53 | BlaXpirit | Mikaela, does antergos provide full kde 4? |
| 18:15.03 | Mikaela | I think so |
| 18:15.11 | BlaXpirit | holy sh. gotta install it right NOW |
| 18:15.13 | hein | I'm just saying bugs need to be fixed where the bugs are |
| 18:15.29 | hein | Sometimes bugs are in Plasma, sometimes they are elsewhere |
| 18:16.02 | Mikaela | BlaXpirit: https://github.com/Antergos/Cnchi/blob/master/data/packages.xml#L360-L414 I have no experience with Antergos + KDE by myself though |
| 18:21.26 | rdieter | Mikaela: Facts are that the kde4 *desktop* (kde-workspace) is no longer supported by kde.org, while plasma5 *is* actively supported. Taking that in mind, what any distro chooses to ship is ultimately up to them. |
| 18:23.21 | rdieter | Mikaela: related fact: qt-project.org's support of Qt4 (which KDE4 depends on), is also end-of-life, with no new releases |
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| 18:24.48 | Mikaela | thanks, I will comment those to the issue tomorrow (on phone now and going to bed) unless someone else adds them there |
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| 18:29.34 | BlaXpirit | oh, Mikaela, it seems like antergos doesn't have full kde 4 |
| 18:29.52 | BlaXpirit | just plasma and non-ported applications |
| 18:30.00 | BlaXpirit | and here i was thinking it's not a copy of arch linux |
| 18:30.15 | genstorm | Gentoo has full KDE4 :p |
| 18:30.22 | genstorm | well, minus nepomuk, these days |
| 18:31.05 | BlaXpirit | it is time |
| 18:31.41 | cousin_luigi | Does anyone know about SDDM themes and customisation thereof? |
| 18:32.20 | BlaXpirit | cousin_luigi, sure, it's available in system settings. can search for "sddm" |
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| 18:32.33 | BlaXpirit | you might need to install it first. kcm sddm or something of that sort |
| 18:32.54 | cousin_luigi | BlaXpirit: Are you sure it allows you to customise themes? |
| 18:33.02 | cousin_luigi | It's the first time I hear about this. |
| 18:33.02 | BlaXpirit | oh customize themes |
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| 18:33.30 | BlaXpirit | lets you select themes. oh and possibly customize them by changing background |
| 18:33.50 | rdieter | cousin_luigi: it's basically all qml now. |
| 18:33.58 | rdieter | learn that, and you're good to go |
| 18:34.04 | cousin_luigi | BlaXpirit: Not enough. |
| 18:34.14 | cousin_luigi | rdieter: I know, but it also relies on plasma. |
| 18:34.21 | BlaXpirit | huh |
| 18:34.35 | BlaXpirit | i thought sddm was completely separate |
| 18:34.40 | cousin_luigi | And I wanted to have a rough idea of what I was getting into before learning two new technologies. |
| 18:34.42 | rdieter | cousin_luigi: not directly. some sddm themes may use qml components from plasma, sure, but it's not a requirement either |
| 18:34.51 | cousin_luigi | rdieter: I'm trying to modify breeze. |
| 18:35.06 | cousin_luigi | And I don't know enough about plasma to know if what I want is possible. |
| 18:35.10 | rdieter | breeze theme is integrated with plasma, so yeah, not surprising that it uses some common components |
| 18:35.34 | rdieter | (would be silly not to) |
| 18:36.41 | cousin_luigi | rdieter: Can you set custom colours for pushbuttons? Or do they always take it from the current colour scheme? |
| 18:37.18 | rdieter | I don't know, but like I said, sounds like you need to learn some qml basics first |
| 18:37.19 | cousin_luigi | To tell the truth, perhaps I should try this on bare metal. I've noticed theme discrepancies when running plasma5 in a VM. |
| 18:37.41 | rdieter | or start with a simpler sddm theme as a starting point |
| 18:38.00 | demm | cousin_luigi: you can set it however you want, look at some examples here https://github.com/sddm/sddm/tree/master/data/themes |
| 18:38.10 | cousin_luigi | rdieter: I don't think it wouldn't do much good. It's just colours and icons that I'm trying to change. |
| 18:38.20 | cousin_luigi | demm: Thanks, looking now |
| 18:38.36 | demm | cousin_luigi: and some components ready for you to use/add https://github.com/sddm/sddm/tree/master/components/2.0 |
| 18:39.15 | rdieter | you'll end up learning it either way, your choice how you do it |
| 18:39.50 | cousin_luigi | I guess I'll give it a try and report back:) |
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| 18:51.04 | Taoki | Hello. Can someone please help me quickly with an issue? I upgraded from KDE 4 to Framework 5. Most things seem to work, except one problem: When I type in my password in the screen locker to unlock the session, I'm always told "Unlocking failed". |
| 18:51.14 | Mikaela | BlaXpirit: it's Arch with installer and one additional repository |
| 18:51.31 | Taoki | Anyone else getting this, and know what it could be? I have to restart the machine if the screen locker activates for the time being, since I can no longer unlock. |
| 18:51.47 | BlaXpirit | Mikaela, yeah, that's how i perceived it. but you surprosed me |
| 18:51.55 | BlaXpirit | *i |
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| 19:24.55 | Taoki | Problem solved! The solution was: chmod +s /usr/lib64/libexec/kcheckpass |
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| 20:07.28 | germo07 | Hi people, one newbie question: why kde apps don't share the same look and feel of breeze theme? |
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| 20:20.49 | BlaXpirit | germo07, probably because some use qt 4 and some use qt 5 |
| 20:21.02 | BlaXpirit | germo07, what system do you use? |
| 20:21.45 | germo07 | at work, arch linux and i was long time i3wm user, but i got bored with it |
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| 20:22.11 | germo07 | so i tried Plasma 5.4, and i like it a lot, it's good for my workflow |
| 20:22.18 | genstorm | if configured right, qt4 applications actually have a breeze look |
| 20:22.56 | davispuh | yeah, there's breeze-kde4 package |
| 20:22.59 | germo07 | okay, tnx |
| 20:23.10 | genstorm | I'm sure Arch has a plasma-5 howto, if you followed that and it still doesn't work, somethings's not right |
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| 20:23.23 | genstorm | (over there) |
| 20:25.18 | germo07 | okay, but i think that kontact was ported to KF5/Qt5 |
| 20:25.43 | genstorm | germo07: depends what kontact you are running |
| 20:25.44 | germo07 | and kontact is the one app that i am really interested in |
| 20:25.54 | BlaXpirit | germo07, arch linux has kde 4 and kde 5 kdepim |
| 20:26.16 | BlaXpirit | make sure you got the right one |
| 20:26.27 | BlaXpirit | search packages for "kontact" and see which one is 4 and which one is 5 |
| 20:26.58 | germo07 | okay, thanks, i will check when back in the office |
| 20:27.52 | BlaXpirit | at this time i don't use any kde 4 applications |
| 20:28.03 | BlaXpirit | last one is yakuake, so i got yakuake-git |
| 20:28.28 | germo07 | i thought i installed only plasma 5 and kde 5 |
| 20:28.31 | germo07 | apps |
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| 20:54.52 | hein | BlaXpirit: I really need to make a Yakuake release .. |
| 20:55.14 | BlaXpirit | oh so it's that Hein |
| 20:55.27 | BlaXpirit | i remember that name :D |
| 20:57.16 | huftis | Konversation is ported to KF5/Qt5, right? |
| 20:57.28 | BlaXpirit | yes |
| 20:57.32 | hein | yeah |
| 20:57.45 | hein | in fact Konversation is likely the only kde app above 10k sloc free of the kde4support libs |
| 20:57.57 | huftis | So why does the scrollbars there look different from other KDE 5 applications? |
| 20:58.05 | huftis | The colours are all wrong. |
| 20:58.09 | genstorm | they don't do here |
| 20:58.19 | BlaXpirit | nothing wrong here |
| 20:58.27 | BlaXpirit | huftis, maybe u have some ancient distro |
| 20:58.28 | huftis | Hm. I use the Breeze dark theme and colour scheme. |
| 20:58.39 | huftis | BlaXpirit: No, I use Tumbleweed. |
| 20:58.53 | huftis | But the scroll bars are very light (and nearly invisible). |
| 20:59.17 | hein | no such problem here |
| 20:59.21 | huftis | Instead of being dark (like they are in âHelp | About Konversationâ, BTW). |
| 20:59.43 | hein | maybe you've enabled the option to use chat view colors everywhere |
| 20:59.52 | genstorm | huftis: breeze dark can be about problematic unless patched |
| 20:59.55 | huftis | hein: Aha! Iâll check. |
| 21:00.02 | genstorm | s/about/a bit/ |
| 21:00.52 | huftis | hein: OK, unchecking that fixed *one* of the panes (the user list one right, but not the chat window). |
| 21:03.02 | hein | huftis: I think unlike other styes Breeze does intentionally use document colors for scrollbar colors |
| 21:03.19 | hein | huftis: so for the chat view it's arguably by design (in Breeze) |
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| 21:04.46 | huftis | I see. |
| 21:05.04 | huftis | And now I understand why the problem occurred. |
| 21:05.42 | huftis | Changing the background colour for the message pane fixed the problem. |
| 21:07.08 | huftis | Though it doesnât seem to be possible to change the colour for *ordinary text* in the message pane (so now I have black on dark grey). |
| 21:07.42 | BlaXpirit | huftis, there is no ordinary text |
| 21:07.49 | BlaXpirit | u want channel message + query message |
| 21:07.50 | huftis | ? |
| 21:08.49 | huftis | Ah. Yes, that works. I though it didnât, as it didnât change the colours for earlier messages. |
| 21:08.59 | huftis | s/though/thought/ |
| 21:09.11 | BlaXpirit | right |
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| 22:12.54 | smev81 | Is kde4 offtopic here? |
| 22:14.03 | hein | No |
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| 22:18.39 | smev81 | Good to know. I miss my kde4 on archlinux and I wonder if it will be possible to install it there. I do not know how, yet. Perhaps compile it for myself and maybe subit to their AUR. Is this sane? Or do you foresee big problems arising from such a project? |
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| 22:20.43 | hein | smev81: I don't see any technical problems |
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| 22:27.07 | smev81 | Good to hear. I did not, either. But I never packaged big things like that, only smaller programs, so I have no expierience. Just wanted to have some feedback, before really getting started. |
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| 22:36.27 | smev81 | So i will have to compile 4.13.3. I will have to do them in a certain oder so that makedepends are fulfilled, i assume. |
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| 22:47.59 | smev81 | It probably is a lot easier to switch to gentoo, that to do that. haha |
| 22:48.23 | genstorm | smev81: I _was_ resisting the urge |
| 22:48.47 | genstorm | but yes, we have the build deps figured out for you :p |
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| 23:04.10 | redeyedman | smev81: I'm on gentoo |
| 23:04.46 | redeyedman | it is painful |
| 23:04.50 | redeyedman | :) |
| 23:06.12 | smev81 | redeyedman: Please don`t say that. I got my hopes up already ;) |
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| 23:07.10 | redeyedman | I joking |
| 23:07.49 | redeyedman | it's easy |
| 23:08.34 | smev81 | Then I am off to gentoo. SMEV81 AWWWAAAY! ;) |
| 23:08.58 | redeyedman | but takes a lot of time for hardware of 2010 |
| 23:09.55 | smev81 | Since kde is quite a complete and feature-rich set of apps compiling will take time, yeah |
| 23:10.10 | redeyedman | 6+ hours to build KDE+Qt |
| 23:10.35 | redeyedman | on dualcore e6500 2gb of ram |
| 23:10.37 | genstorm | is typing on low-voltage hardware from 2008 |
| 23:10.44 | redeyedman | oh |
| 23:11.12 | redeyedman | err, it's 4 gb |
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| 23:12.02 | smev81 | I think mine will take a couple of hours, too |
| 23:12.48 | genstorm | smev81: you can always pick _how_ feature rich |
| 23:14.38 | redeyedman | smev81: http://i.imgur.com/psHIuHp.png |
| 23:15.49 | smev81 | is 4.14 kde4? I thought it sort of ended with 4.13? |
| 23:15.58 | hein | no, 4.14 |
| 23:16.04 | genstorm | nope, 4.14, with a few bits stopped at 4.13 already |
| 23:16.43 | smev81 | oh |
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| 23:34.23 | Hwkiller | on plasma 5.4, the mpris media controller applet doesn't seem to be working. I'm using pithos to listen to pandora radio. The mpris applet starts, I get notifications when songs change (along with the option to skip the song), but when I click on the media applet, it says no media playing |
| 23:34.29 | Hwkiller | I have seen it work exactly once |
| 23:36.15 | Hwkiller | the pithos mpris interface appears to be working -- I can call the methods myself via qtdbus viewer |
| 23:38.04 | hein | It works well for me with Cantata |
| 23:39.08 | Hwkiller | it works fine in other applets that use the mpris standard |
| 23:39.09 | Hwkiller | e.g., gnome |
| 23:39.30 | Hwkiller | makes me think the kde applet is bugged somehow |
| 23:40.37 | hein | it could be either way around |
| 23:40.52 | hein | maybe pithos has bugs other mpris applets are more tolerant of |
| 23:41.01 | hein | maybe the applet is buggy |
| 23:41.38 | hein | I wrote the MPRIS support in Dragon and JuK and Konveration's MPRIS frontend and fixed a bug in the MPRIS spec, and what I found was that almost no player implements MPRIS correctly |
| 23:42.06 | hein | I'd say file a "Applet doesn't work with Pithos" bug report and hope someone investigates it |
| 23:42.18 | hein | Oooor if you can, investigate it yourself |
| 23:42.27 | Hwkiller | it's odd to me that it worked once; just this morning. I was shocked. |
| 23:42.35 | Hwkiller | I may be able to... pithos is in python |
| 23:42.41 | Hwkiller | that said, I don't know the mpris spec |
| 23:42.57 | hein | http://specifications.freedesktop.org/mpris-spec/latest/ it's not that complex |
| 23:43.26 | hein | although it has some things that make it pretty hard to implement correctly if you're not thinking along |
| 23:44.31 | Hwkiller | here it is -- https://github.com/pithos/pithos/blob/caaeb1fed7ae33732c62f844aa0a7050c390a180/pithos/plugins/_mpris.py i'll look over it |
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| 23:48.00 | Hwkiller | Hm, I don't actually see a problem |
| 23:51.17 | Hwkiller | Yep; seems like they actually followed it from what I can tell. |
| 23:51.21 | Hwkiller | i'll file a bug at some point |
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