IRC log for #kde on 20151031

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00:02.35utackHi. Is it a known bug that in plasma 5.4.2 in arch the scaling option does not work fully, even after reboot? Lots of stuff is still scaled at 1x, when it is set to 2x (window borders for example)
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00:49.16p00dlei cant seem to find the option to turn on double-click to open in dolphin. did it get removed?
00:50.48demmp00dle: systemsettings > input devices > mouse
00:51.11codextremistI was a GNOME happy user for more than 7 years, but I finally switched to KDE Plasma 5 (which is so damn nice). So far I like it a lot, however from time to time some apps are crashing. Im running the 5.4.2 version. What could be the main causes of such crashes? Anything I can do to reduce such problems (i.e disable 3D accelaration, etc?) What are the experience of other users?
00:51.34p00dledemm: thanks!
00:51.55codextremistor is KDE plasma 5 just not mature yet?
00:52.37p00dlecodextremist: plasma 5 != kde applications
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00:53.54p00dlei experienced some crashes here and there. especially in system-settings and kdepim stuff
00:54.31codextremistp00dle: that is true, but why apps are crashing so much? From my understanding, crashes were not "so usual" with kde 4
00:56.59p00dlecodextremist: move from Qt4 -> Qt5, parts of apps were rewritten to make them more modular
00:57.02codextremistp00dle: I experience many system-settings crashes here too . Another thing that is so frustrating is hot-plugging monitors. From time to time I experience black screens which goes away only upon system reboot
00:57.55p00dlei found that moving from catalyst back to the open-source radeon driver helped a lot
00:58.43codextremistin my case I'm running nvidia proprietary drivers
01:00.49p00dlebest thing to do is to report bugs
01:01.52p00dlemost of the crashes i get are very minor
01:02.18p00dleexcept akregator is completely borked on my system. corrupts its database every time it exists.
01:02.26p00dleexits*
01:02.42codextremistp00dle: sure! Just hope that these bugs won't piss me off to the point that I have to switch back to unity/gnome
01:02.53p00dlekdepim stuff in general looks like it could use some love
01:03.32codextremistp00dle: same here! korganizer is also crashing here and there
01:03.33p00dlecodextremist: what distro are you on? do you have kde applications 15.08?
01:04.45codextremistp00dle: I was planning to install it on Arch (my devel machine is running Arch with I3), but then I went the easy path with Kubuntu
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01:06.56p00dlep00dle: a lot of the problems people are having with plasma 5 are caused by kubuntu shipping outdated versions of kde stuff
01:07.19p00dlei'm running plasma 5 on arch and it's been great
01:07.34p00dleactually switched from i3 as well
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01:09.19tajjada_I am developing a Qt application, which does not display correctly in the KDE Breeze theme, and I believe it is Breeze's fault.
01:09.25tajjada_the Qt documentation says: "Unlike palette fiddling, style sheets offer guarantees: If you set the background color of a QPushButton to be red, you can be assured that the button will have a red background in all styles, on all platforms."
01:09.49codextremistp00dle: didn't know that, but I makes sense. With Arch you always get fresh stuff, which is quite important when you want to use the last software out there
01:09.50tajjada_I use a stylesheet to set the colour of a QPushButton as part of the functionality of my UI, but Breeze overrides the colour to its blue.
01:10.33tajjada_The usability of my UI depends on the colour of that button being what my code sets it to, but in the Breeze theme, it always looks blue.
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01:12.10tajjada_It works correctly in every other theme I tried.
01:13.14p00dlecodextremist: i always felt that the debian-stable package management model (i'm using a 2yo distro, so give me 2yo versions of all my apps) has no place on personal desktops/workstations
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01:14.01p00dleon servers/enterprise desktops it makes sense
01:14.43p00dlebut i like running bleeding edge stuff on my pc
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01:15.52codextremistp00dle: true, same here. I was just too lazy to setup everything on Arch (last time I had some headache with some drivers). I'll take a time to install Arch on my machine and try KDE Plasma on it
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02:36.17TarminquayHey.
02:36.52TarminquayI used to use GNOME but since I've switched to KDE I'm really loving my desktop more than ever before.
02:36.56TarminquayAny GNOME users in here?
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03:48.54robotdevil1yay plasma mobile ....finally something good for mobile
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03:52.43bodomhi there... my new plasma thinks my battery is 0% and complains about that. Is here a way to tell it i do not have a battery?
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04:54.05joel1nuxIs there any way in KDE to prevent it from sleeping/locking the screen when I have netflix or youtube full screen?
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05:00.48thiagothose applications should have inhibited the screen saver
05:01.06thiagoyou should contact your browser community and report a bug/suggestion
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05:51.12joel1nuxumm...
05:51.18joel1nuxit doesn't
05:51.34joel1nuxand there is nothing that seems to suggest it was supposed to
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08:22.38lordievaderGood morning
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09:00.45estanhm. it seems i can no longer install fonts (.ttf, .otf, ..) from the context menu in Dolphin (version 15.08.2). is this a feature that was lost in the move to KF 5?
09:01.32estan(i have to open the fonts KCM to do it)
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09:49.54BlaXpiritestan, i wouldnt be surprised
09:55.37estanBlaXpirit: yea. i found https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348811 just now and commented on it.
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11:17.54Tazmainhi all, could someone possibly just take a look at this bug and try to see if they get the same issue? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347563 its been open for months but noone has looked at it yet.
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11:51.56Schrostfutzis there support in plasma for scaling the UI and an onboard keyboard so that it can be used on convertibles properly?
11:52.41mkolendaHey guys, kde4 isn't setting my selected keyboard layout during startup.
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12:19.31JyZyXELif KDE 4 is full of all kinds of usability bugs that have been allegedly fixed in KDE 5, but will never be fixed in KDE 4, then what are people supposed to use to get a good stable KDE experience when KDE 5 is otherwise totally unstable?
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12:47.42rindolfJyZyXEL: don't know - I've switched to Xfce - at least temporarily.
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13:26.47cousin_luigiJyZyXEL: Unstable in what aspect?
13:26.59cousin_luigiJyZyXEL: And on what distro, if I may?
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13:31.24bodomHi there. I've migrated to the new KDE5 and lost some features. Is there any way to restore the ark's "compress into" right-click menu in dolphin?
13:32.06genstormbodom: that requires kf5-based libkonq which hasn't been released yet
13:32.46IoupekWhat distribution? On Archlinux it seems to work.
13:32.51bodomgenstorm: *sub* thank you for answer
13:34.03bodomAfter many years, i think time has come to say goodbye to kde :\
13:34.21cousin_luigi:O
13:34.27cousin_luigiIt's not like there is much else around.
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13:35.35genstormbodom: it does work well though
13:35.53geekhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321706 whats going on with kde? this annoying bug is still happening in plasma 5.4
13:36.04geekReported:2013-06-28 11:46
13:36.06bodomgenstorm: what works well?
13:36.34genstormbodom: libkonq built from git, frameworks branch
13:37.00geekI am trying to change the file type but after applu it unchange my conf
13:37.43bodomgenstorm: well, if it has not been released yet, there should be a reason
13:40.11geekthe issue is .local and .config have mimeapps.list, so the devs should set only one location to look for this file
13:40.41bodomsadly lately having a fancy interface has become more important than having a working interface. If it wasn't enough, breaking backward compatibility is now a must.
13:40.41IoupekNo one has problem with panel not working after waking from sleep? Archlinux + nvidia 355.11 here
13:41.18geekI am using same setup but I don't use waking from sleep
13:42.12geekIoupek, suspend?
13:42.17Ioupekyes
13:42.22geekI did here and the panel is stil working
13:42.43geekthat's a problem with your setup
13:43.03IoupekI try again
13:43.09geekIoupek, disable all widgets and change the themes for the default
13:43.13geekthen try again
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13:43.40Ioupekwell it not happen always
13:43.45geekaurora is like a virus, when you turn it on, all kde if filled with bugs
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14:30.04danhas anyone had problems with panels loading after upgraindg to a newer version of kubuntu? i've had this on both my desktop and a VM i use at work. plasma appears frozen for about a minute, sometimes the panel looks like a black bar. then things start and run normally
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14:39.02mkolendaMy kde during startup force us keyboard layout even if i have set different. Keyboard layout applet doesn't change to other layouts and if i set layout through systemsettings and apply and then click this layout applet it changes back to us layout.
14:39.19mkolendaDo you have any idea how to debug this?
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14:40.26mkolendaMy KDE is 4.14.3 i could add setxkbmap in xinitrc but it is finally getting back to us during startup
14:51.20mkolendawhy does keyboard layout applet doesn't change it? Is it possible to set it from console to get any error back?
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17:31.32geekwhy some people prefer kde over gnome?
17:31.54thiagowhy do some people prefer bmw over mercedes?
17:31.59genstormwhy some people prefer gnome over kde?
17:32.01thiagowhy do some people prefer green over blue?
17:32.49thiagoit's a choice. They're entitled to their opinion.
17:33.01cousin_luigigenstorm: kde is way more configurable. I used to like gnome2
17:33.30IoupekTry to change for example change height of the panel in gnome.
17:35.24genstormcousin_luigi: I am well aware of it, geek maybe isn't :p
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17:36.15geekthiago that comparison has nothing to do with software
17:36.22thiagogeek: indeed it doesn't
17:37.03cousin_luigigenstorm: sorry:)
17:37.15geekthiago green will always be green same for blue, kde is constantly changing also gnome, another comparison which doesn't fit with software
17:37.19cousin_luigigeek: You can't even have a bottom panel on gnome3
17:37.38geekcousin_luigi with extension I can
17:37.58cousin_luigigeek: Can you move the top panel to the bottom?
17:38.08cousin_luigiI mean with menus and all, without duplication?
17:38.22geekcousin_luigi yes
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17:38.31cousin_luigigeek: That must be new.
17:38.33cousin_luigiGot a screenshot?
17:38.58thiagogeek: the point was that it's a choice
17:39.42geekbut the factor choice of software changes when the software change
17:39.56geekcolor never changes so I can always prefer one over another
17:40.13thiagobmw and mercedes change
17:40.46geekdoing the compariison with kde3 and plasma4.5, completly different desktops
17:40.56geekyes
17:40.57genstormgeek: not at all
17:41.01geekso that'sthe point
17:41.47geekwe use the present to gather info about the desktop features to make a choice
17:43.08genstormgeek: technologies have changed, looks have changed, but plasma4/5 are still easily traced back to kde3
17:43.24geekgenstorm lots of new features
17:43.43geekbut unstable in comparison with kde3
17:44.01genstormgeek: kde3 was unstable at times
17:44.11geeknot as much as plasma 5.4
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17:44.16genstormactually, * software was unstable at times
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21:02.00horuxanhello all
21:02.04horuxanone help plis
21:02.16horuxanthe dolphin bug (close after open) is correct
21:02.19horuxansorry bad english
21:02.28horuxanbug resolved ?
21:02.50horuxanon yes, how to upgrade kde 5.4 in debian stable
21:02.53horuxanand remove kde 4
21:03.00horuxan??
21:08.15hassoon!!
21:08.31horuxan?
21:08.33horuxan;)
21:08.35horuxanplis
21:10.00hassoonnow.
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21:14.52raviorWhen you're trying to shutdown your machine, the grey bar should span on the whole width of your screen, right?
21:16.09hassoonwaht grey what grey bar
21:17.57horuxanhasson
21:18.09horuxanplease speak for my question ?
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21:36.49raviorhassoon: Sorry for the late reply. When you shutdown your computer, a gray bar that stretches the whole width of your monitor informing you in how many seconds remain until the cumputer closes. That bar should be the whole length of the screen?
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21:39.59raviorI mean, this is a minor bug right?
21:40.01raviorhttps://flic.kr/p/AujW3A
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21:42.07thiagodoesn't look like it was meant to be the whole width
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21:47.36raviorthiago: I always thought that it was meant to stretch the whole width.
21:48.10raviorI've seen that behavior only when there are 2 screens connected and the primary has a smaller resolution.
21:49.02raviorthat grey bar has the width of the primary display even if it's opened on a larger connected display
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21:53.01raviorAlso, as an unrelated topic, does someone knows what the file that contains the shutdown strings is named? "*.po". I searched for that string, but didn't appear to be in the KDE SVN.
21:53.19raviorthe strings for the sequence from the picture
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22:18.40genstormhmm what could be the reason for desktop layout being greyed out...
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22:24.45genstormah! now that's not obvious
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22:25.52genstormit only works after a folder view widget was added to the regular desktop
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