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00:14.48CrustY_Hi everyone
00:14.51CrustY_I use kde 4
00:15.12CrustY_since last update I has some strange problem and kde hangs after login screen
00:15.25CrustY_there's nothing special in .xsession-errors
00:15.37CrustY_and in Xorg.0.log (not sure about this one)
00:15.48CrustY_tried to remove cache/config
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00:20.58Pegasus_RPGHello. I'm having a problem mounting a device with a special character in its path in Dolphin. The path is /media/Music&Video  it's listed in /etc/fstab as /media/Music\046Video and Dolphin is trying to mount that literally, i.e.  Command-line `mount "/media/Music\\046Video"'
00:21.03Pegasus_RPGWhich fails of course
00:21.23Pegasus_RPGHow can I correct what it's trying to use?
00:22.04Pegasus_RPGStrangely, I have "System & Data" as another mount point and that's fine
00:23.22Pegasus_RPGOh nevermind, renaming it in /etc/fstab (with a & instead of \046) seems to have fixed it.
00:24.32Pegasus_RPGSorry for the noise
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00:59.43jaggzthe left?
00:59.49jaggztoh
00:59.54jaggzthe got his answer.. heh
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02:25.45ciscis there a way on Plasma 5 to rearrange the order of running applications in the task manager on the panel?
02:25.53ciscdragging & dropping
02:31.48ciscnvm, manual sorting in settings
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06:05.18KWhat4how do i rest kwallet5 ?
06:05.32KWhat4network manager wont accept my password
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06:06.53bshahKWhat4: you can remove files, from ~/.local/share/kwalletd or move them somewhere else
06:07.24KWhat4bshah: i think its the other kdewallet
06:07.38bshahhmm?
06:08.04bshahkwallet5 stores wallets in that directory
06:08.15KWhat4maybe i got it confused let me see
06:09.49KWhat4that seems to have done it, thanks bshah
06:10.03bshahno problem :)
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06:16.56IITi have multihead setup, is it possible to open a specific application in specific window ?
06:16.56SemiNushi all
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06:17.39SemiNusI have a problem with KDE 5.9.0  -  the ALT+F2  dialoque does not let me configure it the way I would want to.
06:18.00SemiNusI disabled everything but the command line and the calculator
06:18.12SemiNusnow I want a dropdown appear with the latest commands I executed
06:18.20SemiNusunfortunately, I only get programs suggested
06:18.28SemiNusmany of them have never been used by me
06:18.39SemiNusbut for example,  I often entered a command like:
06:18.42SemiNuskdesu kwrite /etc/hosts
06:19.01SemiNuswhen I type "kd" I would want the ALT+F2 dialoque suggest "kdesu kwrite /etc/hosts"
06:19.12SemiNushow can I achieve that, please?
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14:11.54JyZyXELhow can i bind a shortcut to Super + scroll wheel?
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14:12.47hateballNot possible afaik
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14:14.04JyZyXELgreat.
14:14.30JyZyXELbecause Xorg?
14:17.04hateballNope, I do think it is possible under gnome and others
14:17.13hateballThere's some bug, somewhere, on kde bugzilla
14:17.22JyZyXELso it is possible?
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14:18.44hateballPretty sure I used super+scroll to zoom in/out when I was running gnome/compiz almost 10 years ago
14:19.14JyZyXELthat could mean it in fact is possible
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14:22.23hateballI cant find it, but I remember it was due to how the super key was hardcoded in kde/plasma or something
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14:23.56JyZyXELso might be that its impossible in kde
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14:24.18JyZyXELhow about Ctrl+Alt+ Scroll?
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14:51.54JyZyXELhateball: it turned out to be possible with xbindkeys
14:52.10JyZyXEL"m:0x50 + c:133 + b:4" and "m:0x50 + c:133 + b:5"
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14:52.27JyZyXELfor Super_L + Scrollwheel Up/Scrollwheel Down
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14:53.12larsemildoes plasma 5 still nog have hidpi support?
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14:56.42hateballJyZyXEL: does that break anything else?
14:57.23JyZyXELSuper+Tab still works at least
14:57.31rdieterlarsemil: hidpi is supported (from the start)
14:57.49JyZyXELwork with KSuperkey as well
14:57.50larsemilrdieter: it does not scale at all for me. everything looks soooo tiny
15:02.10rdieterlarsemil: ok, check your ~/.config/startupconfig, does it contain kdeglobals_kscreen_scalefactor=2 ?  If not, set that and restart your session
15:03.34rdieterlarsemil: hrm, that or startupconfigkeys , I'm not sure how that's supposed to get set, but if it's at 1, then it's not scaling, that much I do know
15:03.51larsemilrdieter: i changed to 2.. will see what happens now...
15:05.50larsemilrdieter: it changes it to 1 every time i start the desktop
15:06.00larsemilrdieter: if i change, it changes it back
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15:06.55rdieterk, I think kstartupconfig populates it, now need to figure out how that works :-/
15:07.04rdietererr, kstartupconfig5
15:07.32rdieterit's related to kscreen somehow too I think
15:08.12rdieterlarsemil: ah, found it, systemsettings->display&monitor->display configuration->advanced
15:08.30rdieterlarsemil: under advanced settings, there's a "scale display" slider
15:10.04larsemilrdieter: does not help...
15:10.23larsemilrdieter: or actually it does for some things
15:10.27larsemilnot for menu..
15:12.04rdieterlarsemil: looks like it doesn't take effect immediately, may need session restart (and even then, older legacy apps obviously won't be scaled)
15:12.20rdieterbut plasma elements should be, as well as anything Qt5 based
15:12.28larsemili did logout, and back in again
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15:48.03portonWeird, now a bookmark in Kate is restored after close/reopen of a file. Is it non-repeatable bug in Kate or bug in my brain? I am confused
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16:01.36unormalKDE I LOVE YOU. THANKS EVERYBODY!
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16:22.29unormalAciD`: Mark all the messages and mark them as read?
16:23.03AciD`unormal > what do you mean by 'mark all the messages' ?
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16:23.39unormalAciD`: Ctrl+A in a folder selects all messages and then you can mark all of them at once.
16:23.50AciD`that's the point
16:24.23AciD`it only work for that current directory. When you have 1500+ dir, I really don't want to do that manually 1500 times
16:24.48AciD`specially since kmail is pretty slow and showing each 1000+ mails in each dir take some times :(
16:25.23unormalAciD`: Ah, I see. You might want to ask in #kontact then.
16:25.45AciD`thanks for the help
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17:00.10Khaoticplasma is so fucked up on 15.10
17:00.25leszekwhy ? Works fine here
17:01.06cb400fis pretty happy with it too, considering how young it still is
17:01.21Khaotici have issues when bringing my laptop back from sleep, and when i use dual monitors
17:06.10rdieterKhaotic: in fairness, neither of those are strictly "plasma" issues
17:06.30rdieterthe former, is kernel/drivers, the latter, Qt5
17:06.44Khaoticoh
17:07.10Khaotichow is the dual desktop thing a qt5 thing?
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17:08.03leszekKhaotic: its a known Qt5 bug. Qt5 is used by KDE Plasma as the toolkit
17:08.22Khaoticoh ok
17:08.32Khaoticyou have an idea when they will release a patch for it/
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17:08.57leszekKhaotic: see this blog entry about Multiscreen issues: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/10/some-thoughts-on-the-quality-of-plasma-5/
17:09.19Khaoticthanks
17:10.53rdieterKhaotic: http://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-42985  mostly (among others)
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17:14.39Khaoticah
17:14.56Khaoticbrb
17:15.13Khaoticwill there be an ubuntu release patch that you know of rdieter?
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17:17.03rdieterKhaotic: the bug isn't fixed yet, but when it is, that would be a possibility, yes
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17:17.10Khaoticok cool
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17:17.24Khaoticthanks
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17:21.16usermiteinemprobHi, I'm using KDE 4.12.2 on Debian Jessie and since Chromium was updated, the application launcher for Chromium doesn't work anymore. When I click on it, it opens this "Open with..." window instead of Chromium. Also, when I hover over the icon, it is not saying "Chromium-Webbrowser" anymore as it did when it still worked but just "chromium" now. I created the application launcher by opening Chromium over the application menu and k
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17:21.46usermiteinemprobDoes anyone know how I can fix this? It is a rather minor problem but really annoying...
17:22.04Khaoticanyone having issues with systray icons now showing up?
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17:22.46rdieterKhaotic: plasma5 doesn't support apps that use legacy xembed systray icons
17:23.00rdieterKhaotic: (that will be fixed in 5.5 with a wonderful hack to support them again though)
17:23.21Khaoticoh yeah. when will that be released?
17:23.30Khaoticbut i meant like my device notifier and stuff
17:23.39rdieterhttp://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/  has some background
17:23.53Khaoticwho is martin graesslin?
17:23.58Khaoticive seen that link
17:24.15Khaotici was speaking about the actual icons like volume and stuff.
17:24.25rdieterdec 12 release date, according to https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5
17:24.47rdieterKhaotic: martin is a primary kwin developer
17:25.11Khaoticoh
17:26.04rdieterKhaotic: maybe? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352055
17:26.36Khaoticim not seeing a dec 12 release
17:27.51Khaoticso question. do i need kmix installed if audio volume is also installed
17:29.20redeyedmanHi
17:29.29rdieterKhaotic: you want to use only 1 of kmix or plasma-pa, but not both.  so pick one, disable or uninstall the other
17:30.15redeyedmanhow can I easily move track in the Amarok playlist?
17:30.19rdieter(when both run, they interfere with media shortcuts, ie, volume up/down, or mute keys may not work right)
17:30.25Khaotici think i tried that but volume wouldnt work for me
17:30.32Khaoticim not having issues with them both being installed
17:30.41redeyedmanI have 2/8
17:30.51redeyedman2.8
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17:46.51SemiNushi
17:47.21SemiNusI have a problem concerning KDE 5.9.0
17:47.49SemiNusIn the past,  I could configure that the ALT+F2 dialogue windows drops down a list of commands I typed in the past
17:47.57SemiNusnow, in the new version,  I cannot find this option any more
17:48.26SemiNusfor example, let's say I typed "kwrite /home/user/foo.txt"  into my ALT+F2 dialoque in the past
17:48.41rdieterSemiNus: that feature is back in a recent release
17:48.41SemiNusthen the old version of KDE would have showed this command to me when I typed "kwr..."
17:48.42rdieterchecks
17:49.10rdieterSemiNus: I think that's a new plasma-5.4.x feature
17:49.10SemiNusheh, it seems as if I would always be on some kind of wrong version of something
17:49.34SemiNusrdieter, new? it was already there in the past!
17:49.43SemiNusit was there in KDE 3
17:49.48SemiNusand then in a worse way in KDE 4
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17:49.59SemiNusI try to figure out how to upgrade
17:50.07rdieterSemiNus: https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.4.0.php
17:50.13SemiNusyesterday I upgraded to Ubuntu vivid
17:50.17rdieternew feature to plasma5
17:50.33rdieter"KRunner now remembers your previous searches and automatically completes from the history as you type."
17:50.36SemiNusnow I am wondering
17:50.45SemiNusI think I am using 5.9.0
17:50.52SemiNusso the feature should be present on my system?
17:50.54rdieterthat's kde frameworks version
17:51.18rdieterSemiNus: what does kinfocenter say ?
17:51.19SemiNusdo you have any suggestion what to do on Ubuntu Vivid or shall I google ?
17:51.35rdieterSemiNus: ask your distro (#kubuntu probably)
17:51.51SemiNusKDE Plasma Version 5.2.2
17:52.47SemiNusthank you rdieter
17:52.51SemiNuserm, one more thing please
17:53.14SemiNusthere is a panel containing the taskbar
17:53.35SemiNusthe thing at the bottom with the minimized windows in it
17:53.48SemiNusI describe how to reproduce the problem
17:53.55SemiNusset the rows to 2 rows in the settings
17:54.01SemiNusselect [x] force row settings
17:54.19SemiNusthen open a window (e.g. kwrite) and type 1 into it
17:54.27SemiNusopen another kwrite (or any other window) and type 2
17:54.36SemiNusthen open another window and type 3
17:54.45SemiNusthen click on the 2nd window in the taskbar
17:54.53SemiNusyou will get the 3rd window (where you typed 3)
17:54.59SemiNus3 and 2 changed places
17:55.05SemiNussame goes for 5 and 4
17:55.06SemiNusand so on
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17:55.23rdieterinteresting, I don't recall ever seeing or hearing anything like that before
17:55.27rdietertries that now
17:55.38rdieterSemiNus: it only happens with > 1 row ?
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17:55.42SemiNushttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215231
17:55.47SemiNusthere is a bug
17:56.02SemiNusand it was said to be resolved ... and not resolved ... and resolved...
17:56.03rdieterthat's an old/closed kde4 bug
17:56.13SemiNusyep,  but the bug is still present
17:56.56rdieterSemiNus: my plasma-5.4.x doesn't have a  "force rows" option
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17:57.16rdieterI only have a "Always arrange tasks in columns of as many rows"
17:57.40rdieter(which turns out doesn't seem to actually give me > 1 row)
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17:58.23SemiNusrdieter, why are the KDE guys always changing things to the worse?!
17:58.34SemiNusrdieter, usually functionality should become better
17:58.42SemiNusbut there is stuff that already worked perfectly in the past
17:58.47SemiNusand now it does not work any more
17:58.56rdieter"always... for the worse", i think if you're going to start saying silly stuff like that, we won't have much of a conversation
17:58.58SemiNusinstead of solving it,  they remove the force-row-setting option?!
17:59.42SemiNusrdieter, sorry I did not want to be offensive,  but it's really hard when you have a work flow,  and the next version changes everything
18:01.30rdieterthere you go again... "changes everything".
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20:29.32OrochimarufanIs it not possible to set a specific proxy in KGet?
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20:43.30ShalokShalomwhats the difference between kdestart and startx please ?
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20:44.59Vonorstartx starts an X server with whatever apps you defined in your xinitrc (might be a terminal or an entire desktop manager)
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20:45.35ShalokShalomah, ok, thanks :)
20:46.08Vonorno problem
20:47.55Vonorcould anyone give me a quick start in kde connect? i installed the package on opensuse leap via the kde:extra repo, the only binary i can spot is kdeconnect-cli though and it doesn't list my phone (android app is installed). the phone is connected via tethering (That's also how i'm online on the pc right now)
20:48.25Vonorpc <-> phone is a different network than phpne <-> wifi router though
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20:53.26ShalokShalomVonor: the app is also installed on your phone ? :)
20:53.34ShalokShalomah, ok
20:53.37ShalokShalomi read now :P
20:53.38ShalokShalomsory
20:53.40ShalokShalomsorry
20:54.18Vonoryes
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20:55.34Vonoraccourding to some ubuntu help page i should just install the package on both devices and start the app on the phone and it should find my pc...but shouldn't i start something on the pc too, first? anyway, neither the phone now kdeconnect-cli find the other device
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20:59.59ShalokShalommaybe reboot ? (work here without one, just guessing)
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21:36.02daumhey guys i'm on kde 4 (kubuntu 14.04) and it kde itself seems to be acting really weird: http://i.imgur.com/nucOzmQ.png windows/menus aren't filling in properly
21:36.55daumany ideas what may be occurring?  It seems to affect things like konsole, the start menu, etc.
21:37.23ShalokShalomdo that change, when you hover over with the cursor ?
21:37.45ShalokShalomappear the correct graphics then ?
21:38.24rattkingdaum: I had the same issue with a intel graphics system  try changing Qt graphics system to Native
21:38.44daumrattking, how do i do that?
21:39.09rattkingsystem settings / Desktop effects / Advanced
21:39.20daumShalokShalom, sorta...like highlighting in console never gets it to a black background, its always missing
21:39.32ShalokShalomand if that wont work, change one line above to xrender or another OpenGL
21:39.50daumok will do
21:40.29sdfgHow do I view the sessions that plasma stores?  Because I've turned off all the autostarts, I've logged out with nothing open, and still every time the same apps open up when I don't want them too >:-(
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21:41.56daumrattking, can't actuall see waht is there: http://i.imgur.com/KkdJ4hA.png is what happens when i navigate to it
21:42.29rattkingyou will have to restart X and do it before it starts corrupting :(
21:42.37rattkingor thats what I did
21:42.45ShalokShalomfrom the very beginning ?
21:42.49ShalokShalomor after a update ?
21:43.16rattkingI found it odd that I just started getting that error on Debian Jessie.. I had no issues before
21:44.52ShalokShalomoh wow, many kdenlive updates in 15.08.3 :D
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21:47.40daumrattking, is there an easy way to prevent kde from restoring my previous session on login?  just so it doesn't start up a ton of programs before i can get to the system settings?
21:47.52ShalokShalomdaum: yes, also in system settings
21:47.56daumhaha
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21:48.13kubast2Hey ,how to stop klipper from saving selection into clipboard?
21:48.42kubast2Configure - Klipper > General > Selection and Clipboard > Ignore Selection doesn't work
21:49.12daumwhat's weird though are the windows it "restored" from the previous session actually work fine
21:50.00kubast2wait I have klipper clipboard
21:50.04kubast2and plasma clipboard
21:50.11kubast2well that explains a bit
21:50.36kubast2and they both have seperate settings to each other
21:51.21kubast2I guess problem solved lol
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21:59.55VonorShalokShalom, got it working. i needed the package kdeconnect-kde5 from kde:unstable:extra
22:00.05ShalokShalomah, fine ^^
22:00.11ShalokShalomyeah.. split packages..
22:00.39ShalokShalomi already talk today a bit about it
22:00.51ShalokShalomand the headache, which gives that to users ^^
22:01.03genstormI like to confuse users
22:01.45ShalokShalom^^
22:02.02ShalokShalomyeah, devs like you seem to dominate the whole FOSS world
22:02.10ShalokShalomthe whole FOSS world... ?
22:02.19ShalokShalomno, there is a little village... :D
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22:04.10genstormShalokShalom: from time to time, the tree of devs needs to be fed with fresh blood
22:04.17Vonorasterix wasn't foss...the recipe for the magic drink was closed source :P
22:04.30ShalokShalomhahaaha :D
22:04.34ShalokShalom@both ^^
22:04.42ShalokShalomepic :)
22:05.41ShalokShalomah, autostart is available now in krunner ^^
22:07.30BitwiseHello, how can I disable window tabbing for a specific application?
22:08.06BitwiseI don't see anything in "Special Application Settings" to disable tabbing.
22:09.13ShalokShalomsystem settings > windows behaviour ?
22:10.15ShalokShalomnope, just for activitis and workspaces
22:10.22demmShalokShalom: systemsettings > startup and shutdown
22:10.39BitwiseShalokShalom, I only want to disable it for specific applications.
22:10.58ShalokShalomdemm: please ?
22:11.16ShalokShalomi already found autostart, if you mean that, thanks :)
22:11.25demmok
22:11.26ShalokShalomalt + f2 find it now
22:11.31ShalokShalomthanks :)
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22:14.28demmBitwise: tried right click on the application top window border > more actions > special application settings?
22:15.37ShalokShalomhe writes: I don't see anything in "Special Application Settings" to disable tabbing.
22:15.40ShalokShalom:)
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22:17.05Bitwisedemm, Yes that's what I was saying I did. I think I found it though. I think I found it as "Autogroup with identical" or "Autogroup in foreground"
22:17.30BitwiseForcing those to "No" seems to work.
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22:18.44ShalokShalomah, fine :)
22:18.56ShalokShalomwhile autogroup means something different, iirc
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22:22.44sdfgWhat would cause a specific application to use different settings from anything else?  VirtualBox is using a different colour scheme from the one I've selected o.o
22:23.03sdfgOh, wait, qt4?
22:23.36sdfgBut it's using the breeze widget theme, hmm.
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22:42.54wallie_Hello everyone
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23:14.53HarroldHi. I have a slight problem with Kde-5.4 and Plasma 5. It starts with a black screen and I can open a terminal with alt+f2. When I start plasmashell manually, I get the shell back, but as soon as I press the "kde" button in the bottom left, plasmashell crashes with the message https://paste.kde.org/pscmjtsut
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23:16.50HarroldIs anyone available to hel me troubleshooting maybe?
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23:25.29ShalokShalomHarrold: you can ask here #kwin and here #plasma as well :)
23:25.29LapJupy'all could make my life lots easier if you had LinNeighborhood available for kde :-) http://www.mozillaquest.org/Linux03/Mandrake_9-1_Linux_Networking_LinNeighborhood_Story01.html#Introduction  it looks abandoned.http://pkgs.repoforge.org/linneighborhood/
23:26.19LapJupthere is a screenshot towards the bottom of that mozillaquest article
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23:27.38LapJuphttp://www.tucows.com/preview/26672/LinNeighborhood
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23:30.14toskyLapJup: smb4k
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