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| 00:44.14 | valorie | jkoreth: why do you ask? |
| 00:44.31 | valorie | are you having trouble, and have you filed a bug report? |
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| 01:13.11 | mark4_ | is there any way that the desktop cube can be activated on both mouse buttons or something? instead of ctrl f11? |
| 01:13.21 | mark4_ | thats srsly ghey |
| 01:20.25 | jsamyth | mark4_: it is pretty silly, I agree. In the wrench settings you can set it to any key combo, but I don't see a way to set it to any mouse action. |
| 01:21.26 | mark4_ | ugh |
| 01:21.32 | mark4_ | thats ubberly stupid really |
| 01:22.00 | mark4_ | compiz fusion is about a million times better thought out and implemented |
| 01:22.20 | mark4_ | the entire thing is about ease of use which this ubberly fails on |
| 01:22.42 | mark4_ | i guess in this case its a none issue |
| 01:22.56 | mark4_ | i doubt the person im building this for will even remember how to press control f11 lol |
| 01:23.15 | mark4_ | is there any way to make the taskbar TWO lines? |
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| 01:23.26 | mark4_ | i can see how to make it bigger but thats still only one line |
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| 01:24.08 | jsamyth | There is a screen edges control in that same location,(in settings) but I can't get it to trigger Cube either, even tho it offers that option. |
| 01:24.55 | mark4_ | i sould be able to hit control alt mouse click and rotate th4e cube like in compiz |
| 01:25.09 | mark4_ | just control and alt with one hand and mouse with the other |
| 01:25.25 | mark4_ | not contortions to hit control alt f11 with one hand or (worse!) remove hand from mouse |
| 01:25.59 | jsamyth | Task bar: unlock widgets, right click task bar, Select Icons only task management |
| 01:26.50 | mark4_ | dont see none of that lol |
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| 01:27.22 | jsamyth | Thats ok, I can't seem to make it work anyway... |
| 01:27.46 | mark4_ | more UI stupidness from the kde devs :/ |
| 01:27.47 | mark4_ | lol |
| 01:27.54 | mark4_ | im extatic this isnt for me lol |
| 01:28.01 | mark4_ | it would drive me insane |
| 01:28.41 | mark4_ | oh. for konsole |
| 01:28.43 | jsamyth | I suspect there is some secret to getting this all to work. I'm on Manjaro(arch), and most of it works but not all. |
| 01:29.03 | mark4_ | when i type emrge foo bar bam i want to se that entire thing in the tab or title bar of the terminal |
| 01:29.06 | mark4_ | all i see is "emerge" |
| 01:29.19 | mark4_ | i dont see the emeriging n of m i usually see in a decent terminal |
| 01:29.54 | mark4_ | manjaro is arch? |
| 01:31.12 | jsamyth | Yup. Arch done right. ;-) (Manjaro specializes in getting all the various DEs working on Arch - so you don't have to struggle). |
| 01:31.49 | mark4_ | yea. i use gentoo, if it were not for the fact that a significant portion of the packages i absolutely require are in AUR i would use arch instead |
| 01:31.58 | mark4_ | i wont pull in ANYTHING from aur at all |
| 01:32.01 | mark4_ | not now, not ever |
| 01:32.20 | mark4_ | and nobody else should ever do so either |
| 01:32.22 | jsamyth | I've been acoiding AUR as well. |
| 01:32.45 | mark4_ | aur is a huge security flaw. "come rape my system any time" |
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| 01:33.33 | mark4_ | the fact that alot of the packages i use on a daily basis are in aur and that packages can be demoted to aur means... arch is black listed |
| 01:34.23 | mark4_ | on MY systems both kde and gnome are blacklisted, with kde i have no issues installing it for someone else who would have difficulties otehrwise |
| 01:34.30 | mark4_ | gnome stays blacklisted lol |
| 01:34.31 | mark4_ | 2 and 3 |
| 01:34.45 | jsamyth | I haven't run into any missing stuff in Manjaro yet. |
| 01:34.59 | jsamyth | (My needs are simple). |
| 01:35.04 | mark4_ | for a while joe (the editor) was demoted to aur |
| 01:35.09 | mark4_ | lost its dev |
| 01:36.13 | jsamyth | Some things are so simple they don't need full time devs, just someone to compile it and package it. |
| 01:36.51 | mark4_ | and any package that is in AUR can have exploit code added to it. |
| 01:36.55 | mark4_ | and NOBODY would notice |
| 01:37.02 | mark4_ | at least not immediately |
| 01:38.34 | jsamyth | Aren't commits to AUR monitered by somebody? |
| 01:38.56 | mark4_ | my understanding is that it is community managed outright |
| 01:39.39 | mark4_ | yes, i can create an overlay in gentoo and put all kinds of nasty exploits in it |
| 01:40.22 | mark4_ | but... you would have to specifically install that package from my overlay and there are HUNDREDS of gentoo devs and they all pay close attn to overlays :) |
| 01:40.38 | mark4_ | arch has way less of a developer base |
| 01:40.45 | mark4_ | they dont have the resources gentoo has |
| 01:41.15 | mark4_ | tho they are growing for sure |
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| 02:00.18 | mark4_ | so i have desktop cube enabled but after a couple of seconds it starts to flicker between the cube and the flat desktop repeatedly as i rotate the cube |
| 02:00.49 | mark4_ | looks REALLY REALLY bad |
| 02:01.30 | mark4_ | in fact EVERYTHING that uses compositing flickers badly now |
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| 02:04.42 | jsamyth | What compositor are you using? |
| 02:05.20 | mark4_ | how do i tell |
| 02:05.23 | mark4_ | i forget where that is |
| 02:05.46 | mark4_ | its set to opengl 2 |
| 02:05.49 | mark4_ | changing to 3 |
| 02:05.58 | mark4_ | see if that fixes it |
| 02:06.12 | mark4_ | seems to for now |
| 02:06.44 | mark4_ | however i cannot find a dark theme that works properly for desktop effects settings |
| 02:07.02 | mark4_ | its always eithyer dark text on dark background and utterly unreadable |
| 02:07.16 | mark4_ | or its light text on light background and utterly unreadable |
| 02:07.34 | mark4_ | every other settings page throughout the entire systems settings displays just fine |
| 02:07.42 | mark4_ | desktop effects is stupid |
| 02:08.30 | mark4_ | using oxygen all round and that page is readable |
| 02:08.37 | mark4_ | use ANY OTHER theme and its unreadable |
| 02:08.57 | jsamyth | Humm, I got the cube working well with compositor 3.1, and setting to Very slow. Set to instant, it doesnt show any effect. |
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| 02:10.24 | mark4_ | nope im getting the cube crapping out on me again |
| 02:10.31 | mark4_ | setting to 3.1 didnt help in the end |
| 02:10.54 | mark4_ | any animation flickers between the next frame of the animation and the unanimated desktop |
| 02:11.05 | jsamyth | It takes drop down menues a week to paint with setting of very slow on animation speed. |
| 02:11.18 | mark4_ | so i get the cube. the descktop, the cube a bit fur4ther away. the desktop. the cube a bit further away, the desktop. |
| 02:11.28 | mark4_ | flickering like that looking REALLY REALLY REALLY^ bad |
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| 02:12.07 | jsamyth | Might be a hardware compatibility issue. I know not all hardware does compositing well. |
| 02:12.15 | mark4_ | radeon |
| 02:12.24 | mark4_ | using r800 driver |
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| 02:14.08 | jsamyth | I'm running Manjaro in a VM, and its running on something something mumble, nvidia, two years old. |
| 02:14.36 | mark4_ | u can get the desktop cube in a vm? |
| 02:14.49 | jsamyth | My other machine is Opensuse, and it is radeon r400 I believe with community drivers. |
| 02:15.26 | jsamyth | Vmware is frickin awesome. Beats pants off of all the free virtual environments. |
| 02:15.37 | jsamyth | Costs money. |
| 02:16.13 | jsamyth | Oh, I hear my dinner calling me. Gotta go. Later. |
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| 05:24.04 | mark4_ | launched plasma media center |
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| 05:24.08 | mark4_ | no way to get lout of it |
| 05:24.13 | mark4_ | how do i KILL thtat pos |
| 05:24.33 | mark4_ | its a sidebar on the left and thers NO "go away and stay there" button |
| 05:27.14 | mark4_ | nevermind i found it |
| 05:27.19 | mark4_ | now im purging it from my system |
| 05:27.26 | mark4_ | NO FUCKING WAY that pile of shit stays on here |
| 05:27.33 | mark4_ | it takes over your entire fucking desktopp |
| 05:29.47 | mark4_ | emerge -C plasma-mediacenter |
| 05:29.48 | mark4_ | GONE |
| 05:30.37 | mark4_ | The symbol 'HAVE_TYPE_INT8_T' was not defined. |
| 05:30.43 | mark4_ | get that error when emerging libreoffice |
| 05:31.00 | mark4_ | bah wrong chan |
| 05:31.05 | josef64 | mark4_: ... |
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| 05:32.18 | mark4_ | it just annoys me when an application takes over my ENTIRE desktop, has no "Get out of here" button and i have to engineer a way to KILL it |
| 05:32.39 | mark4_ | anyone who writes interfaces like that needs to be castrated |
| 05:32.40 | mark4_ | slowly |
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| 05:32.49 | mark4_ | with a blunt fork |
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| 06:02.15 | mark4_ | ok NOW i have a problem with my panel |
| 06:02.28 | mark4_ | the things that used to be all the way to the right are now jammed up against the items to the left |
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| 06:02.54 | mark4_ | i tried to add a spacer and when i do that they all move ALL the way over to the other side and cover up the unlocked widget widget |
| 06:02.56 | mark4_ | wtf |
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| 06:04.01 | mark4_ | lol this GUI is seriously buggy. remove the spacer and now everything is back to normal |
| 06:04.17 | mark4_ | i honestly cannot see why ANYONE would ever use KDE or GNOME |
| 06:04.41 | mark4_ | the only reason im even putting this on this laptop is because its for someone who knows only windows... BADLY |
| 06:05.21 | amstan | i've used it for 7 years now |
| 06:07.12 | mark4_ | all i see is slow, running backwards while up to your neck in mud slow |
| 06:07.25 | mark4_ | bloatware that falls over constantly or does majorly stupid things |
| 06:07.29 | mark4_ | constantly |
| 06:07.47 | amstan | i actually run it on a 1.8GHz rk3288 ARM cpu as well, not slow there either |
| 06:08.22 | mark4_ | this is a 1.8 ghz 2 core amd laptop with 4g of ram |
| 06:08.36 | amstan | idk what to say then |
| 06:08.42 | mark4_ | im putting it together for someone who would never survive linux |
| 06:09.42 | amstan | why are you giving them a linux computer then? |
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| 06:10.38 | mark4_ | because they dont have the money for windows. their ex BF locked them out of administrator on this laptop when it had windows 8 on it |
| 06:10.46 | mark4_ | and it had viruses out the wazoo |
| 06:10.51 | amstan | http://www.walmart.com/ip/Hisense-Chromebook-11.6-Quad-Core-Processor/44389793 |
| 06:11.07 | mark4_ | this will do for her |
| 06:11.18 | amstan | disclaimer: i have worked on it |
| 06:11.19 | mark4_ | ill take all the "it just works (tm)" that comes with kde |
| 06:11.23 | mark4_ | including all the falling over |
| 06:11.38 | amstan | i don't think kde ever said it just works |
| 06:11.43 | amstan | but it works how i need it |
| 06:12.10 | amstan | customize all the things! without editing files |
| 06:12.12 | mark4_ | i mean the plug in thunmb drive and it mounts for you |
| 06:12.19 | mark4_ | no cat /proc/partitions |
| 06:12.26 | mark4_ | mount /dev/sdb5 /mnt/foobar |
| 06:12.34 | mark4_ | she would be lost |
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| 06:30.32 | mark4_ | FREEEKIng awesome |
| 06:30.36 | mark4_ | had a konsole open. |
| 06:30.41 | mark4_ | it was emerging something |
| 06:30.46 | mark4_ | took hours to get there |
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| 06:31.02 | mark4_ | hit the minimize button that points down like a v |
| 06:31.10 | mark4_ | it minimized into nothing |
| 06:31.13 | mark4_ | its gone |
| 06:31.15 | amstan | well there's your problem |
| 06:31.20 | mark4_ | no taskbar item |
| 06:31.31 | mark4_ | NO "hey im doing something are you sure you want to close me" |
| 06:31.32 | amstan | oh.. you can probably alt+f2 it |
| 06:31.43 | amstan | you can call up konsole instances that way |
| 06:31.54 | mark4_ | no that just brings up a run command prompt |
| 06:32.02 | amstan | sounds to me like you messed up your plasma configs, you should probably start from scratch with it |
| 06:32.05 | mark4_ | i have konsole in a launcher |
| 06:32.11 | mark4_ | allows me to LAUNCH konsole |
| 06:32.18 | amstan | yes, then type konsole in alt+f2, you should see the instances of already open konsoles |
| 06:32.22 | mark4_ | not get the one i already launched that just up and fucking disappeared on me |
| 06:32.40 | mark4_ | PNEW |
| 06:32.43 | amstan | those instances will be labeled with "windows" |
| 06:32.50 | mark4_ | again. awesome interface |
| 06:33.01 | mark4_ | this entire interface is a gordian knot |
| 06:33.02 | amstan | sounds to be like you messed up your plasma configs |
| 06:33.29 | amstan | yelling about it in here won't really help |
| 06:33.29 | mark4_ | no the alt f2 thing worked |
| 06:33.46 | amstan | i know it did |
| 06:33.50 | amstan | now go fix your plasmarc |
| 06:33.56 | mark4_ | its just a stupid secret thing you need to know to get back to applications that just go POOF when you expect them to just minimize |
| 06:34.06 | amstan | it's not |
| 06:34.14 | amstan | it's something you do when you mess up your plasma configs |
| 06:34.19 | mark4_ | obviously it is |
| 06:34.19 | amstan | i personally never needed to do that |
| 06:34.28 | amstan | not sure how you got in this state |
| 06:34.40 | amstan | but a couple of things you already ranted about are because of tat |
| 06:34.42 | amstan | that* |
| 06:34.57 | amstan | until you fix it, it'll still happen |
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| 07:57.48 | lordievader | Good morning. |
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| 08:35.12 | AndrzejL | How much ram should the plasmashell --shut-up process take roughly? |
| 08:35.23 | AndrzejL | It takes 207 megs here |
| 08:35.31 | AndrzejL | should that be lower? |
| 08:35.47 | hateball | Seems ok |
| 08:35.51 | AndrzejL | ok |
| 08:35.54 | hateball | Be happy you're not affected by https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344879 |
| 08:36.10 | hateball | Unless you realize you after, after a few minutes ;D |
| 08:36.43 | AndrzejL | nah it was up and running for a while now |
| 08:36.49 | AndrzejL | and it keeps saying 207 |
| 08:36.53 | hateball | lucky |
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| 08:37.59 | AndrzejL | ok |
| 08:38.03 | AndrzejL | thanks |
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| 09:09.30 | stheory | I have a gsoc idea for kde. What advantages are there by putting it on the community wiki page? |
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| 09:11.42 | tespr | how about google summer of wiki? where people write the wiki... |
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| 09:24.34 | pereira_alex | hi |
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| 09:24.50 | pereira_alex | anyone actually uses kdetalk xmpp servers ? |
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| 09:36.41 | konradb | hello, how do I fix ksnapshot? When I press screenshot it tries to open http://ksnapshot in browser. thats all :o |
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| 09:39.29 | valorie | stheory: instead, discuss your idea with the team you want to work with |
| 09:40.02 | valorie | mentors are the ones who list possible project ideas, not students |
| 09:40.09 | stheory | valorie, I did and they suggested I make a community wiki page |
| 09:40.10 | stheory | : ) |
| 09:40.25 | stheory | The current project idea is here: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/126622/ |
| 09:40.27 | valorie | you can make an unofficial page, for sure |
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| 09:40.51 | valorie | to gather information from your team |
| 09:41.33 | valorie | certainly reviewboard is the wrong place for this |
| 09:41.54 | stheory | Oh! |
| 09:42.05 | valorie | stheory: can we take this to #kde-soc ? |
| 09:42.19 | stheory | sure |
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| 11:10.12 | cerkauskas | hello. im using plasma. I created user though kuser, but it doesn't appear in login screen. i use sddm. is there a cache or i have to manually set users? |
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| 11:13.21 | leszek | cerkauskas: did you restart sddm ? |
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| 11:18.03 | leszek | cerkauskas: still no user ? Hmm... can you check the user id ? Sddm on some distros tends to not show uids below 1000 |
| 11:18.21 | leszek | thats a thing you can configure though |
| 11:19.21 | cerkauskas | oh |
| 11:19.40 | cerkauskas | i will changeuid |
| 11:19.54 | BlaXpirit | cerkauskas, yeah exactly, that user should be over 1000 |
| 11:19.59 | BlaXpirit | check what you see grep -P ':1\d\d\d:' /etc/passwd |
| 11:20.11 | BlaXpirit | sddm only shows these users |
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| 12:15.27 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
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| 12:41.52 | smead | Hey all, whenever I have a monitor plugged / unplugged my panel acts unpredictably. Sometimes it stays on the laptop, sometimes moves to the external monitor and sometimes (when unplugging) it stays on the 'external' screen |
| 12:42.16 | smead | I can always right click -> Add default panel. But, then I end up with 2, or 3 or... n panels |
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| 13:38.33 | GuiToris | Hi, I try to use KDE Telepathy, but not everything works fine. XMPP chat working well, but audio call is not. I cannot be called. Does anyone know what's going on here? I have installed telepathy-farstream telepathy-gabble, and I still cannot initate a voice call. The button is gray, and the other side couldn't call me either. He uses Jitsi |
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| 13:43.11 | mystica555 | why does the plasma notification box randomly appear on the opposite side of the screen from where it usually is |
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| 13:45.20 | mystica555 | and for that matter, why is its position no longer draggable by the user, |
| 13:45.36 | mystica555 | this bloody random popping up right-corner and then sometimes left-corner for no apparent reason is maddening |
| 13:46.21 | mystica555 | it used to be, i could tell my notification box to go somewhere. now you've removed that ability, and added into the mix a random number generator of 'right or left ,when the config is set to right' |
| 13:46.44 | mystica555 | why the hell do things have to change so damned much to remove features that i rely upon |
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| 13:51.50 | BluesKaj | !ubottu |
| 13:52.09 | BluesKaj | !bot |
| 13:52.32 | BluesKaj | !info |
| 13:52.54 | BluesKaj | !kde |
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| 13:53.29 | BluesKaj | this chat needs an info bot |
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| 14:04.27 | hassoon | BluesKaj: go create us one |
| 14:06.02 | BluesKaj | hassoon, I'll leave that to the "experts" like you :-) |
| 14:06.38 | hassoon | BluesKaj: that's silly, you can learn whatever you want whenever you want, and then beome an expert of what you were learning |
| 14:06.47 | hassoon | *then become * |
| 14:06.56 | NanoSector | shameless self promotion: https://github.com/WildPHP/module-factoids |
| 14:08.14 | BluesKaj | hassoon, nope , my brain is becoming filled up because I'm old |
| 14:08.50 | hassoon | BluesKaj: don't remind me of becoming old, since i'm still young :/ |
| 14:09.21 | hateball | It's over before you know it |
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| 14:10.07 | BluesKaj | you have to face the time passing reality sooner or later |
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| 14:31.06 | wodim | NanoSector: a php bot is probably the most awful idea I've ever heard of. Congratulations |
| 14:31.14 | NanoSector | thank you |
| 14:31.18 | NanoSector | i'm not the first |
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| 14:31.44 | NanoSector | and i actually have it running on freenode, it does what it has to do |
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| 16:26.33 | smead | BlaXpirit: I'm glad to hear that actually |
| 16:26.45 | smead | Anybody else have a problem with the default panel going wacky with multi-monitor ? |
| 16:26.49 | smead | Is there a fix? |
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| 16:31.56 | circ-user-VZqn7 | smead: My default panel goes whacky as does my default workspace. |
| 16:32.44 | smead | circ-user-VZqn7: makes me feel better that I'm not alone |
| 16:33.13 | BlaXpirit | smead, people come here with such problems all the time but i don't remember anyone going away with a solution |
| 16:33.45 | BlaXpirit | i dont deal with constantly unplugging monitors |
| 16:34.22 | smead | Gotch |
| 16:35.34 | smead | *a |
| 16:36.09 | circ-user-VZqn7 | smead: Yeah, handling hotplugging monitors is a bit of a pain in Linux. |
| 16:36.33 | BlaXpirit | just plasma 5 |
| 16:37.02 | circ-user-VZqn7 | BlaXpirit: Which DE has done a good job with it? |
| 16:37.30 | smead | The default gnome with FC23 and Ubuntu 14, 15 does well |
| 16:37.47 | smead | Gnome just makes me hate my life |
| 16:38.06 | circ-user-VZqn7 | smead: External displays are either mirrored or extended though. Last time I checked, they didn't have workspace support. |
| 16:38.31 | lordievader | With plasma5.5 it has become much better for me. Before 5.5 it was horrible. |
| 16:40.00 | smead | lordievader: Agreed, it's better, personally, my only remaining issue is the default panel getting left in virtualspace. I can right click -> add default and I get one back. |
| 16:40.14 | smead | So, at this point, it's become more of an inconvenience than anything else |
| 16:42.07 | rattking | I was having issues when plugging in a monitor where the DE (plasma-shell?) would freeze for 30 + sec when it decided what to do with the second screen. |
| 16:42.39 | lordievader | rattking: With garbage all over the screen? |
| 16:43.09 | rattking | no. both screens would go black with only a mouse pointer |
| 16:43.32 | circ-user-VZqn7 | Is there any work on hooking up MPV to the Phonon framework? |
| 16:44.51 | lordievader | Hmm, here it would display garbage at those times. |
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| 16:47.54 | BlaXpirit | lordievader, sure, probably depends on driverrs |
| 16:48.07 | lordievader | Yeah, my thoughts exactly. |
| 16:48.40 | BlaXpirit | one driver dev thought that not clearing the display would be cheaper, other dev thought it's basically free anyway |
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| 17:07.59 | zoidberg___ | hey how do I set a theme that I downloaded as a tar.gz file |
| 17:08.13 | zoidberg___ | for kde plasma 5 |
| 17:11.55 | striker | zoidberg___: my guess would be to extract the theme into /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/ |
| 17:13.49 | BlaXpirit | ಠ_ಠ|
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| 19:41.09 | rindolf | wryfi_: BOO! |
| 19:41.24 | wryfi_ | ;) |
| 19:41.29 | rindolf | wryfi_: :-) |
| 19:41.32 | rindolf | wryfi_: sup? |
| 19:42.07 | wryfi_ | nothin' really, was just scrolling up and noticing the crickets |
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| 20:38.47 | AciD` | hi |
| 20:41.35 | AciD` | I cannot launch kgpg anymore since yesterday evening. I get the following error message (loosely translated) : "Impossible to start GnuPG. First correct the gnupg error before starting KGpg" and "gpg: /home/acid/.gnupg/gpg.conf:219: argument not expected" and "gpg: /home/acid/.gnupg/gpg.conf:220: invalid option" |
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| 20:42.33 | AciD` | line 219 is : "debug-level baisc", and line 220 is "log-file socket:///home/acid/.gnupg/log-socket" |
| 20:42.44 | AciD` | s/baisc/basic/ |
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| 20:53.02 | Aristide | Hello |
| 20:53.11 | Aristide | Someone know how remove this blue line under title bar ? :x http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/747781Screenshot20160119215228.png |
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