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10:26.14kolandraifyou have free time: https://github.com/xylosper/bomi/issues/452#issuecomment-173604049
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11:28.04jmorgantiHi all,someone can tell me how to change the Plasma theme?, I managed to change the theme of programs, but I dont manage to change the color of the taskbar
11:28.18NanoSectorhey
11:28.28NanoSectorthere's a special Workspace Appearance panel in your system settings
11:29.01BlaXpiritjmorganti, desktop theme
11:29.27jmorgantiNanoSector,  BlaXpirit you both are genius,thank you very much,thank you
11:29.36NanoSectornp :)
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11:30.16jmorgantia last question,do you know to to make a little transparent the programs, like the xchat for example?
11:32.22BlaXpiritjmorganti, you can make a shortcut to quickly make any program transparent
11:32.28BlaXpiritor go to window menu in topleft
11:32.31BlaXpiritspecial window settings
11:32.56BlaXpiritto always apply different rules, which include transparency, to a particular kind of window   - jmorganti
11:33.34jmorgantitransparence in kde is called opacity?
11:33.40BlaXpiritjmorganti, uh  yes
11:33.47jmorgantiah,ok, thank you
11:33.54BlaXpiritjmorganti, transparency is the opposite of opacity
11:34.01jmorgantiyes, I see now
11:34.02jmorgantithanks
11:34.12NanoSector20% opacity means 80% transparency
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11:38.04jmorgantithis was the most effective IRC channel I saw, in 2 minutes the questions solved
11:41.53NanoSector:)
11:42.17NanoSectorother channels can be effective too, depends on if there's a lot of people around
11:43.23jmorgantiMaybe you are right,but according to my experience this was the most fast, also many times in other channels you get answered "but why you use X?, change ot Y"
11:43.58NanoSectoryou should use what you feel comfortable with
11:44.04jmorgantiof course
11:44.14jmorgantiI was using for years fluxbox
11:44.18jmorgantiI love KDE now
11:44.22NanoSector:)
11:44.31NanoSectorI hop between DEs a lot
11:44.47jmorgantiDes?
11:45.14NanoSectordesktop environments, e.g. GNOME and KDE
11:45.40jmorgantiah, ok
11:45.55jmorgantiKDE is in debian available just from Jessia
11:45.59jmorgantiJessie
11:46.10NanoSectorPlasma 5 you mean?
11:46.19jmorgantiyes
11:46.26NanoSectoryeah
11:46.29NanoSectorPlasma 5 isn't so old
11:46.42NanoSectorI use Arch Linux myself, it has had it for a while now
11:46.51NanoSectorbut it's mostly been unstable for a lot of people
11:46.58NanoSectoruntil 5.5 where things cleared up a lot
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11:47.09BlaXpirit5.4 was better than 5.5 for me
11:47.26NanoSectorI didn't notice a difference
11:47.34BlaXpiritit's good that latest ubuntu has 5.4
11:48.06BlaXpiritkubuntu remains a viable distro  for now
11:49.46NanoSectori only have panel crashes at times when e.g. my network changes
11:51.11BlaXpiritNanoSector, i have panel crashes all the time on all my virtualbox VMs
11:51.28NanoSector:(
11:51.43NanoSectorand I had tearing but that fixed with setting DRI3 for my intel graphics
11:51.44BlaXpirithard to determine the exact cause, can be whenever i move mouse overit
11:51.59NanoSectoryeah there's not really a single cause here either
11:52.10NanoSectormostly when my wifi drops or something
11:52.14NanoSectoror when editing widgets
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12:05.16BluesKajHi all
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12:24.58a-l-ei have questions relating to the inner workings of the kross scripting engine...
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12:25.07a-l-eanybody around who knows about it?
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12:28.27solvarrYesterday I found that after I ugpraded kde from 5.4.3 to 5.5.3, dolphin crashes almost everytime configure dolphin is clicked.
12:28.48BlaXpiritsolvarr, happens. not that it didn't happen in 5.4...
12:29.01solvarrIt did?
12:29.09BlaXpiritfor me it did
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12:29.53solvarrI downloaded opensuse iso with kde 5.4, installed it in a virtual machine and it didn't happen.
12:29.57solvarrThat's strange.
12:30.14solvarrI also downloaded manjaro with kde 5.5.1 and it also didn't happen.
12:30.19a-l-eis there a place where i can talk to people who know about kross?
12:30.32solvarrThey both start crashing after I upgraded them to 5.5.3.
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12:34.58OmikronHello Gentlements i need your help with problem. This is Kde related. Im using Manjaro XFCE Kernel 4.1.15-2 and i have a Nvidia Gtx 960 installed. When I turn my Montitor off and on again i get this error message
12:35.07Omikronhttp://dpaste.com/31DS4BB
12:35.49BlaXpirithow do you "get" it
12:36.03BlaXpiritand why do you have plasmashell if you say you're  runnign xfce
12:36.25Omikronsorry mistyped
12:36.34Omikronim actually using plasma 5 right now
12:37.55Omikroni dont know how i got this error message. On xfce my computer doenst even turn on my monitor back on again when turning it off
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13:24.37Omikronok i guess you cannot help me this problem. Arent there any developers in this channel=
13:24.39Omikron?
13:25.05a-l-eis also looking for kde developers...
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14:05.40silentz0rplasmashell hits up to 100% cpu every 1 or 2 seconds, making the system completely unresponsive for a brief moment. Any ideas?
14:09.22CovaHi all, I'm seeing a weird behaviour in kde printing (KDE5): when I try to print the test page on a postscriptmprinter (HP1300) it takes ages and the file sent to printer is 10 times bigger than the original .ps. Using test from hplip all works fine. Anyone with the same issue?
14:11.12BlaXpiritwhat is "kde printing"?
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14:25.18CovaBlaXpirit: I mean in printer setup
14:25.41Covaunder hardware
14:26.36CovaI think that this is due to the fact that the original file is postscript, that gets translated to pdf and then again in postscrpit, being the printer a PS one.
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14:27.51Covabasically, I'm referring to systemsettings5
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15:45.17NanoSectorIs there a possibility in KDE to suspend the screensaver/locker when certain applications are running? Right now the screensaver/locker kicks in in the middle of a game with a controller :(
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15:49.35NanoSectorokay opening specific application settings for the game causes it to go funky
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15:56.19rdieter_workNanoSector: yes, there's a screensaver inhibitor api apps can use
15:57.04BlaXpirit"can"
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15:57.43rdieter_workNanoSector: if the app doesn't use it natively, if you can get the WindowID, you can use:  xdg-screensaver suspend WindowID
15:57.44NanoSectorbut don't :)
15:57.54BlaXpiritthe real problem here is that desktop doesn't care that controller is being used
15:58.06NanoSectorokay but there's no settings for that?
15:58.16NanoSectorI'd prefer not to run a command manually every time when starting a game
15:59.10rdieter_workNanoSector: if the app doesn't do it automatically yourself, it requires you to actually *do* something for it, sorry
15:59.29rdieter_worksorry, I meant "automatically *itself*"
15:59.30NanoSectorcrap now i have to do something :(
15:59.37NanoSectorhaha
15:59.39NanoSectorthanks anyway
15:59.56NanoSectoralso I've been told by the Dolphin emulator developers that Dolphin tries to suspend screensavers by itself
16:00.18NanoSectorguess it doesn't try hard enough?
16:00.28rdieter_workapparently not
16:00.33rdieter_workor it's buggy
16:01.15rdieter_workNanoSector: are you using recent plasma5?
16:01.35rdieter_workthe battery/power applet should show all active screensaver/power inhibitors, if they exist
16:01.41NanoSectorI run Plasma 5.5 on Arch
16:01.46NanoSectorHmm fair point
16:02.05NanoSectorNo it is not listed
16:02.19rdieter_workthen it's not working
16:02.51rdieter_workfor example, for me, if I play a movie using vlc, now the battery applet lists:  VLC media player is currently suppressing power management: Playing some media
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16:03.06NanoSectorYeah I've seen it before
16:03.18NanoSectorBut Dolphin doesn't get listed
16:03.20rdieter_workthat's the api I mentioned, that apps can use
16:03.53rdieter_workso either dolphin isn't using it, or isn't using it properly
16:04.14BlaXpiritthe real problem here is that desktop doesn't care that controller is being used
16:04.23NanoSectorYeah
16:04.31NanoSectorDolphin cares, but desktop doesn't, I can imagine
16:04.39BlaXpiritnothing good comes to mind
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16:04.57NanoSectorrdieter_work: I'll have a chat with them, thanks
16:05.04BlaXpiritbest workaround:  get some app that translates controller presses to keyboard presses
16:05.14BlaXpiritand make them all press scroll lock  or something
16:05.30rdieter_workor just use the inhibitor api properly, that's why it exists
16:05.38BlaXpiritrdieter_work, sigh
16:06.08BlaXpiritfirst of all, this is NOT proper use of the inhibitor api
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16:06.24BlaXpiritif someone goes away and leaves their game, that doesn't mean the computer must not be suspended
16:06.27BlaXpiritthis is stupid
16:06.34rdieter_workBlaXpirit: sure it is, why shouldn't an active game inhibit screensaver?
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16:06.42BlaXpiriti just said
16:06.44NanoSectorbut what if the game has a long cutscene?
16:06.56rdieter_workBlaXpirit: I said active, you said "leaves their game", not the same
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16:07.25rdieter_workreporter claimed it already has support for this, maybe it's just a simple (fixable) bug
16:07.39NanoSectorThere's no way for the emulator to know if there's a long cutscene or just no activity from the user
16:07.47NanoSectorFor all it knows it could be emulating such cutscene
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16:09.11NanoSectorhttps://github.com/dolphin-emu/dolphin/blob/696d6eae099feba23c280017c5184785fc1e3076/Source/Core/DolphinWX/X11Utils.cpp#L48
16:09.16NanoSectorSeems it tries to use xdg-screensaver
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16:50.36smeadSo, For reasons discussed previously, I'm always right clicking my desktop and having to Add -> Default Panel.  Is there a way to customize my panel settings and 'Add -> My Panel' ?
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17:19.42MoHi There is ~/.kde4/Autostart/, but is there something to be run at logout?
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17:30.12dlamhey how do i enable emacs keybindings on the desktop?  like when im in google chrome and in the address bar,  i wanna press Ctrl+E to go the end of line, and like Ctrl+W  to delete the previous word etc.
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17:58.51Tatshis there no longer a place to customise the time format exactly?
17:59.03Tatshi'm in the US, but i always use YYYY-mm-dd HH:mm:ss
17:59.11Tatshwhether short form or long
17:59.34Tatshbest bet for me as far as i can tell is to use zh_TW for time settings even though this adds a part i don't want
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18:29.41thisischrysanyone know why a kcm module might be grayed out or how to get logging for them?
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18:35.44NanoSectorthisischrys: do you have anything entered in your search bar?
18:36.34thisischrysnope, not the main kcm screen, but one of the modules (grub 2 editor) I tried running it with kcmshell5 but it gives no useful output
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18:54.25psychofOn plasma 5.4.3, I don't have the option to add a calendar to the clock on the bottom right of the screen.  Is it a package I needed to install or a configuration I need to make. I installed akonadi, I thought I needed to install it but still no calendar.
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18:57.35thisischryspsychof:  if you right click it, do you see alternatives? if so, what is currently selected?
18:58.15psychofa digital clock
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19:00.42psychofI need to specify, I think there should be a list of holidays on the right of the regular calendar, that is what I would like to have displayed.
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19:06.47spiderkeysHi, I've got Ubuntu 14.04 with KDE 4.13.3 installed. After doing an apt-get update/upgrade the other day, my computer seems to be going into hibernate every 5 minutes or so, even if I'm moving the mouse. I have checked the Power settings in System Settings->Power Management, but there doesn't seem to be anything causing it there. Also checked /var/log/pm-suspend.log, which shows it happening, but doesn't say what triggered it. Any id
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21:02.18popnflosshow can i set kmix to apply the volume buttons to a different channel
21:02.25popnflossin global shortcuts it only has an option for the master channel
21:02.57popnflossand i want the volume buttons on my headset to change the volume for the headset device, not the onboard sound
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21:07.31jonascjHi all. On ubuntu 14.04 I have installed Okular (v. 0.19.3) which should support saving pdf annotations to the pdf-file itself.
21:07.59jonascjThat however requires libpoppler 0.20+ (maybe 0.22+), and I am unsure how to check / verify which version my okular is built against
21:10.30jonascjOkay, it appears to be built against the right version, I just needed "file -> save as" to save the ocmments, "file -> save copy" wasn't enough.
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21:11.46jonascjHmm, only the yellow highlight marks etc. are there, the comments which should be visible when clicking on a high-light is not
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21:15.26TiriliHey, today I bought 50 new fresh empty CD-ROMs, but when I put them into my dvd-burner, most of them are not even recognized as an empty medium.
21:15.40Tiriliby k3b
21:16.05TiriliI could finally burn one (with minor errors), but it cannot be read now.
21:21.31saptechTirili, cheap unknown brand?
21:21.57TiriliBrand name is "isy"
21:22.04Tirili50 for 12,99 Euros
21:22.30saptechI never heard of that brand. But I'm in the States
21:22.37TiriliMaybe they lay around in the store for some years?
21:22.54saptechthat could be, how old is the drive
21:23.10saptecha number of reason could cause not to work
21:24.25TiriliSeveral drives don't recognize them.
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21:24.48saptechhmmm, may be a bad batch
21:24.51TiriliI doubt it's the drive of my laptop, because it can work with other empty CDs.
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21:26.14TiriliI'll try and do a reclamation, because 80% of all blanks were not detected at all.
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21:39.42Tirilisaptech, thank you for your help though :)
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21:40.54saptechI just bought a bunch of HP DVD-R discs recently and so far no problems
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21:44.12jaggztI have to exit that window and re-printscreen several times before I can keep my desired window up front
21:44.43jaggzt(the capture DOES get the whole screen.. but I have it set so I can draw a rectangular region.. so I need the window to stay so I can drag)
21:45.02jaggztit might be that setting which causes it.. need to test that..  nevertheless, the problem still exists at least with that setting on
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