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| 00:15.07 | dd0 | is drag and drop not working between qt apps is a widespread bug? |
| 00:15.35 | dd0 | i experience it on my old arch linux install and on debian testing right now |
| 00:16.18 | dd0 | for example, can drag from dolphin into gtk file chooser but not the kde one |
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| 00:48.27 | neubie | Hi |
| 00:49.04 | dd0 | hi |
| 00:50.41 | neubie | What's the best way to learn socket programming in C++ (Qt) |
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| 00:57.47 | armin | hi. does konsole feature an inner window border for terminal windows? |
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| 01:35.03 | oneforall2 | ugh when I'm dd one drive and open partition manager to do another drive it hangs on the scan,, any way to get it to skip it? |
| 01:35.23 | oneforall2 | see fdisk -l is just as bad and no doubt that's what is being used |
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| 01:40.49 | oneforall2 | partitionmanager /dev/sdc didn't help unless I'm doing it wrong there |
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| 01:50.08 | AciD` | in kde5, how do you get back that feature where dolphin showed you the un/modified files in a git directory (by coloring their filename green)? |
| 01:50.43 | hagabaka | kmail or the imap agent quits working whenever I get disconnected, and I have to run "akonadictl restart" to get it back. Am I the only one having the problem? |
| 01:51.17 | armin | AciD`: did you check if a "dolphin-plugins" packages ia available from your distribution? |
| 01:52.02 | AciD` | armin -> thanks, just found it |
| 01:52.09 | armin | ;) |
| 01:52.23 | AciD` | let's see if that works (not like that kde-services package unfortunately) |
| 01:52.42 | armin | what operating system do you use? |
| 01:53.28 | AciD` | yay, this one worked |
| 01:53.30 | AciD` | Kubuntu |
| 01:54.18 | AciD` | I checked the most rated plugins for dolphin |
| 01:54.21 | armin | AciD`: you know you can just add git branch/status to your shell prompts, too? |
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| 01:54.51 | AciD` | the kde-services one redirects to sourceforge where you can download that file : /home/acid/taf/crediz.fr/design/Maquettes/ |
| 01:54.54 | AciD` | whoops |
| 01:55.01 | AciD` | kde-services-2.1-2.fc23.noarch.rpm |
| 01:55.03 | AciD` | that file |
| 01:55.04 | AciD` | :) |
| 01:55.15 | AciD` | I aliened it to a .deb, installed it |
| 01:55.30 | AciD` | nothing in the dolphin right click menu nor plugins window :( |
| 01:56.18 | AciD` | https://sourceforge.net/projects/kde-services/files/ |
| 01:56.20 | AciD` | this one |
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| 01:57.50 | hagabaka | if there's no kubuntu package for something like "kde-services", it's probably because the software is outdated or it's under a different name |
| 01:57.58 | armin | AciD`: courageous. |
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| 01:58.02 | AciD` | it does install quite a lot of files (http://paste.ubuntu.com/15331962/), but nothing shows up |
| 01:58.38 | AciD` | hagabaka -> the last update to the source code is from 2016-02-04, and the readme says it works with 5.x |
| 01:58.46 | armin | so what would you expect to "show up"? |
| 01:58.54 | AciD` | armin -> about downloading from sourceforge? yeah |
| 01:59.07 | AciD` | but I miss all those functionnalities dolphin had in kde4 |
| 01:59.24 | AciD` | I don't even get a 'extract here' from the context menu... |
| 01:59.29 | AciD` | (for instance) |
| 02:00.22 | AciD` | armin -> well, a whole lot of stuff. For instance when right clicking on a picture, I'd like to be able to resize it on the fly (like with kde4), etc. |
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| 02:04.09 | AciD` | do you need to do something for kde to find those new services in /usr/share/kservices5/ServiceMenus? |
| 02:04.13 | hagabaka | do you have ark installed? |
| 02:04.24 | hagabaka | that should be what provides "extract here" |
| 02:06.40 | armin | AciD`: hm, no idea. |
| 02:06.59 | armin | AciD`: as for the extract here, you can enable an option in dolphin that will let you browse archives just like folders. |
| 02:07.55 | AciD` | oh, and you can't change the application language now in kde5 |
| 02:07.59 | AciD` | damn it |
| 02:08.08 | AciD` | sorry for the untranslated screenshot then.. |
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| 02:12.42 | AciD` | hagabaka -> I do have ark installed, and my dolphin plugins view in kinda scarce : http://imgur.com/a/Jpacj |
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| 02:17.46 | AciD` | the ark package did 'install' the service in the right folder it seems : http://paste.ubuntu.com/15332048/ |
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| 02:18.11 | AciD` | but somehow, kde is not taking those numerous services into account. Any idea why? |
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| 02:47.25 | armin | @s |
| 02:47.32 | armin | mh |
| 02:47.39 | armin | keyboard shortcut missing |
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| 02:56.33 | DarinMiller | armin: what keyboard shortcut is missing? |
| 02:57.39 | armin | DarinMiller: uhm, i tried to use meta-return but didn't have that configured in kde already, so 2 times those 2 characters were sent here to the channel. |
| 02:57.56 | armin | @s |
| 02:58.02 | armin | like that one |
| 02:58.04 | DarinMiller | LOL |
| 02:58.39 | armin | i just mapped it to fullscreen so that won't happen again |
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| 08:24.07 | ALVAN | hi .. i have a strange problem with kde 4.14.3 |
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| 08:24.58 | ALVAN | but after i close it reset to default |
| 08:26.55 | ALVAN | so even if i choose the usb sound card as default card .. kmixer does not save it after apply and ok |
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| 09:10.07 | Diddi | Hi! I've installed kde on my debian system and after a few days uptime I now have ~800 "polkit-agent-helper-1 <user> cookie<number>" processes running. I'm guessing this isn't normal :) I've no idea what is using polkit and why I have so many processes of it running, any pointers? |
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| 09:11.59 | mkyral | rdieter: hi, so it seems i am trapped in between qt-5.5 bugs and qt-5.6-rc bugs, making plasmashell unusable with both for different reasons, no materr if plasmashell is 5.5 or 5.6 |
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| 09:35.28 | misc-- | hello, is it possible to have separate activities per monitor? |
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| 10:38.11 | sveta | hi, plasma desktop hangs after i log in and it shows a few shiny icons and the pointer... i just installed debian kde live iso.. how do i know which startup service hangs please? it's debian jessie. |
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| 10:47.10 | sveta | found paste.debian.net/413547 |
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| 11:13.15 | sveta | disabling compositing in kwin seemed to have fixed it ; laters |
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| 17:53.49 | crystalraven_ | does it work to build krusader file manager from source in KDE 5 since it seems to be for KDE 4 and qt 4? |
| 17:54.27 | elvisangelaccio | crystalraven_: if you have qt4 and kdelibs4 installed, then yes |
| 17:55.12 | crystalraven_ | im gonna look for it in Kubuntu 15.10 x64 then and hope its there |
| 17:57.21 | crystalraven_ | its the libqt4-core package that is qt4 right? |
| 17:59.09 | crystalraven_ | anyways ill try thanks for the help |
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| 18:37.16 | mark4_ | in kde plasma how do i stop windows being maximised because i dragged them to the top of the display? |
| 18:37.46 | mark4_ | srsly annoying. this microsoft'ish "Feature" should be disabled by default |
| 18:38.49 | cb400f | mark4_: systemsettings -> desktop behaviour -> screen edges |
| 18:38.55 | cb400f | uncheck ze checkbox |
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| 18:39.30 | cb400f | at least on plasma5 ... don't remember if the screen edges module was located elsewhere in kde4 systemsettings |
| 18:39.45 | cb400f | but basically the same... just search for screen edges |
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| 18:41.07 | Rish | how should i read .bin file in linux using c when there is just the file name and not the extension |
| 18:41.43 | mark4_ | ty |
| 18:41.56 | mark4_ | im using plasma 5 should have stated that |
| 18:41.57 | mark4_ | ty |
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| 18:42.50 | mark4_ | now back to fighting libreoffies utterly moronic bullet numbering 1. 1.1... 1. 2.1 2.2 and no way to fix any of it :/ |
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| 18:52.49 | ccolorado | Hi I want to have my google apps, new mail notifications/monitor on my system tray. But I don't want to have a full client running like kmail or thunderbird . Is there something available for this use case ? All I can find is this "Gmail Feed" but doens't show up on my available widgets once it's installed. |
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| 19:05.55 | rdieter_work | ccolorado: chrome should google-apps in your system tray already (if that app supports it). google hangouts does (has a 'show system tray icon' option), for example |
| 19:08.45 | rdieter_work | dunno about mail notifications, kmail(akonadi) should support that even when kmail isn't running (but I'm not privy to the details, I personally prefer to make sure akonadi stops when kmail does) |
| 19:14.21 | ccolorado | Thanks, althought that is not really what I am looking for. I have reasons to why I don't want a client, but I feel its irrelevant for me to explain why I don't want one. |
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| 19:52.31 | quup | Hi, how do I restart they system tray (the part usually in the far right of the panel) it has frozen and I don't want to logout |
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| 19:54.33 | hendrix | quup: you can restart plasma with: killall plasmashell && kstart plasmashell |
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| 19:55.47 | quup | hendrix: that fixed it, thanks! |
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| 20:18.40 | lineinthesand | Can somebody tell me the name of the ksnapshot successor â I just cannot seem to remember it. |
| 20:18.50 | genstorm | spectacle |
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| 20:19.39 | lineinthesand | genstorm, thanks! |
| 20:19.47 | genstorm | yw |
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| 21:58.13 | KtoTo | hi everybody. is there a plasma5 replacement for "places" widget from KDE4? |
| 22:00.19 | KtoTo | it was a widget listing folders added to "places", allowing to quickly open a dir which is bookmarked to "places" |
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| 22:03.28 | mike-zal | KtoTo: yes, there is such widget. |
| 22:03.43 | KtoTo | which one? |
| 22:04.16 | KtoTo | I haven't found it neither in distro neither via widget search :( |
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| 22:05.35 | mike-zal | it's called folder view, at least it how it sounds in my language. |
| 22:06.00 | mike-zal | by default it shows content of a desktop but can be set to any folder, also home. |
| 22:06.20 | KtoTo | yep, but there's no way to make it show bookmarked places |
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| 22:06.33 | KtoTo | there's no kio protocol like places:// |
| 22:06.33 | mike-zal | I have it default system widgets, almost at the end of the list.. |
| 22:06.52 | KtoTo | yep, I do have folderview too |
| 22:07.37 | KtoTo | it's just not the same widget :( |
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| 22:07.42 | mike-zal | I guess you have to create bookmarks in home or in documents and then set this widget for this location |
| 22:08.41 | KtoTo | although, yes, I can make a folder with a bunch of symlinks to my places or maybe write a kioslave for listing places (at least, there's a fonts:/ protocol, why not making a places:/ one :p) |
| 22:10.53 | mike-zal | I never worked on kde4 (I hated it) so I had no problems with differences in plasma5 |
| 22:11.36 | mike-zal | but I get that if someone got used to certain things, it bothers a lot when new, improved version doesn't have them and it feels like worse, older, regressed version because of that |
| 22:11.54 | genstorm | mike-zal: you keep saying you hated kde4 |
| 22:12.01 | genstorm | I don't feel the big difference |
| 22:12.02 | KtoTo | yeah, it's always harder to switch when you'd already get used to some stuff :( |
| 22:12.40 | mike-zal | well, when I was trying kde4 lot of things bothered me: 1. no program launcher after hitting super/meta key |
| 22:12.57 | genstorm | mike-zal: needs an extra application in Plasma-5 as well |
| 22:13.12 | mike-zal | 2. no ctrl+alt+t for terminal (I know it can be set but for a newbie...) |
| 22:13.17 | KtoTo | mike-zal, genstorm has a point. switching from kde3 to kde4 was much more painful indeed :) |
| 22:14.32 | mike-zal | 3. settings were highly confusing. in other DEs I just looked around and set what I wanted in about 15-20 min. in kde4, I spend a whole day fighting with things, searching web and not finding solutions to easiest things I could do so easily and quicly in other DEs |
| 22:14.46 | KtoTo | and as for winkey, I don't use it alone. I made a bunch of shortcuts involving it |
| 22:15.24 | mike-zal | 4. the default look of kde4 was so REPELLING, like I was using windows 98 again... and for a newbie who can't set basic things, this was a barrier not to overcome |
| 22:15.30 | KtoTo | oh, by the way, is there any information on whether window tabbing in kwin will ever come back? |
| 22:15.45 | genstorm | mike-zal: you can hardly remember win98 then... |
| 22:16.00 | KtoTo | win98 was not so bad... visually :P |
| 22:16.09 | genstorm | but I've heard people say the same about breeze, so... |
| 22:16.11 | mike-zal | but when I tired kde5... 1. it was less confusing, sure I had issues finding some things but was able to cope with settings quicker and easier |
| 22:16.52 | mike-zal | 2. loved the new look so much that it gave me the kick to stay and learn it properly. older version was just a torment so I had no strenght to stay to know it better. |
| 22:18.09 | mike-zal | from my perspective, although some things are missing, kde5 is: better and modern looking from the start, easier for new beginners (more logical, although there are still lacks in that area) and very important: less resources hungry then kde4 |
| 22:18.31 | KtoTo | idk, maybe plasma5 is really more friendly to beginner. A couple of my friends switched to Gnome not loving KDE4 setup too. Although, I believe it's quite easy to configure. |
| 22:18.37 | mike-zal | genstorm: I remeber win98 very well. that was my first system... |
| 22:19.13 | mike-zal | win95 was also around but 98 was more common back then. xp was not about to show in few years... |
| 22:19.19 | genstorm | if I fire it up in a VM right now, I won't see any resemblance to KDE4 but oh well... |
| 22:19.25 | mike-zal | was about to show in few years* |
| 22:20.01 | KtoTo | i don't know if it will stay "less resource-hungry" after akonadi will be back |
| 22:20.26 | mike-zal | now, after months of using kde, I know how set certain things and change its look. I know it can be done in kde4, but the initial feel was so bad I could't stay with it. |
| 22:20.57 | genstorm | mike-zal: the thing about defaults is, you can never please everyone |
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| 22:21.37 | mike-zal | I'm using linux not a full year, maybe 9 months now? so I never knew kde3. |
| 22:22.10 | genstorm | oh, fresh blood! ;) |
| 22:23.01 | KtoTo | well, some people still say it was better than 4 :) |
| 22:23.35 | genstorm | mike-zal: what distro have you been trying kde4 with? |
| 22:24.05 | KtoTo | at least, it was _definitely_ less resource-hungry |
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| 22:24.34 | mike-zal | I know. there are little DEs that look good by default. kde with breeze is acceptable. it's not perfect but easy on eyes, althought bit too bright. deepin is the best looking DE after install. gnome is a horrible but can be made very beautiful, xfce... mega disaster, untill you switch to compton, kwin or compiz. however I hate whisker menu... so it always bothers me. |
| 22:25.17 | mike-zal | genstorm: I tried kubuntu at first then mint kde. the same feeling - run as far as possible from kde |
| 22:27.02 | mike-zal | I remeber trying out later kubuntu with kde5 and liked its look but somehow my computer didn't digest it well, or the plasma 5 was too buggy back then, it wasn't functional for me then. but then months later when I switched to manjaro kde - completely diffetent situation. not only look was good but also working very well. |
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| 22:29.13 | mike-zal | I tried many DEs now so I know that vanilla DE look can be deceiving and there is much that can be changed. however I go back to kde5, no better DE so far for me. kde5 feels like home :) |
| 22:29.36 | genstorm | glad you like Plasma 5 |
| 22:30.31 | mike-zal | was trying quite recently gnome for 2-3 weeks but missed kde so I installed it and since then I'm logging only to it... |
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| 22:31.52 | mike-zal | also I like some kde apps like kruader or kde connect and they work the best in kde, although kde connect was quite fine in gnome too (with some more effort thou) |
| 22:32.07 | e-anima | ha just found out kde can restore my session. love it! |
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| 22:32.36 | mike-zal | other DEs can do that too with right settings. |
| 22:32.56 | e-anima | ye but i dint know :) |
| 22:33.11 | tosky | mike-zal: each applications from the KDE community (especially not part of Plasma) should work in every desktop environment (and other operating systems) |
| 22:33.20 | tosky | I mean, work flawlessy |
| 22:33.23 | mike-zal | well, I'm using kde5 since months and I still learn new things about it |
| 22:33.57 | e-anima | after i found out that open gl crashes it because of nouveau i am now satisfied. installed nvidia proprietarys. |
| 22:34.07 | KtoTo | even once tried kwin with gnome |
| 22:34.56 | mike-zal | tosky: I had issue with krusader in gnome. there was no progress bar when copying files. looked very long on google for solution and nothing. |
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| 22:35.49 | mike-zal | kde connect doesn't show in legacy icons but it works well and shows status messages so it was not a big deal. but some kde apps are not fully functional outside kde. |
| 22:36.02 | tosky | ... outside plasma |
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| 22:36.48 | tosky | if they don't work, it's not a design decision, it's some small problem |
| 22:37.02 | tosky | sometime also of the other environment |
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| 22:38.19 | mike-zal | well, from what I saw, mostly kde apps (some of them at least) causes such issues. also in kde there is a constant problem with dropbox icon. so kde has its flaws. |
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| 22:38.52 | mike-zal | but it's because it's so different from other DEs. |
| 22:39.12 | genstorm | mike-zal: I've heard that's a dropbox problem |
| 22:39.30 | j_koreth | genstorm its kind of both |
| 22:39.41 | mike-zal | but why there is no doropbox-kde? there is firefox-kde |
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| 22:40.12 | j_koreth | mike-zal probably because dropbox is propeitary |
| 22:40.18 | KtoTo | firefox-kde ?! |
| 22:40.21 | mike-zal | yeah, I red lot about it and the fault is in both sides. |
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| 22:40.33 | genstorm | KtoTo: kde integration for firefox - done by opensuse |
| 22:40.57 | KtoTo | heh, I thought it was a build of FF with Qt UI |
| 22:41.07 | KtoTo | I once heard of such an experiment |
| 22:41.10 | genstorm | that has also existed at some point |
| 22:41.23 | genstorm | I had it working, actually |
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| 22:41.45 | mike-zal | yes. in manjaro kde, default browser is firefox-kde. a bit better integrated ff. however my experience says it's more problematic... it should have better mime management, tied to kde, but result is: there are mime problems. usual ff works better imo.... |
| 22:43.16 | mike-zal | for example: in ff-kde if you open a torrent file, you can't choose a default program, remebering settings is grayed out. only magnets work correctly. |
| 22:43.53 | mike-zal | that is probably because of some system settings but I couldn't change them somehow. |
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| 22:47.09 | tosky | mike-zal: the dropbox icon issue is really two different kind of problems; the current one is a dropbox bug, for what I heard around |
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| 22:50.15 | mike-zal | tosky: yes. I was adviced to install earlier version. didn't have time to do it. |
| 22:50.51 | mike-zal | maybe I'll check now if there is some older version available in aur |
| 22:52.24 | mike-zal | there is dropbox-experimental, the newest one... |
| 22:52.50 | genstorm | Arch-based distros don't really keep old stuff around ;) |
| 22:52.51 | mike-zal | dropbox-gtk2.. |
| 22:53.22 | genstorm | or so I've heard |
| 22:54.01 | mike-zal | sometimes they do. spotify-stable is an old package but it's available. maybe because this is the one recommended one, although lot newer versions are available, but newer ones have different dependencies that leads to some issues with steam and other apps... |
| 22:54.36 | mike-zal | but yeah, it's quite often that not supported things gone missing very quickly. |
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| 22:55.38 | mike-zal | hm... there is kfilebox-qt5-git |
| 22:55.53 | mike-zal | KDE Dropbox client with own daemon (Qt5 branch) |
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| 22:56.16 | mike-zal | maybe that's the one I should use? will be experimenting ;p |
| 22:56.25 | mike-zal | but not today. it's too late. |
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| 22:56.50 | mike-zal | love aur. it's addictive ;P |
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| 22:58.58 | KtoTo | seeking for patches is more exciting sometimes :) |
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| 22:59.28 | KtoTo | ...or writing'em yourself |
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| 23:45.27 | mike-zal | KtoTo: I have no skills to write any patch. |
| 23:45.35 | mike-zal | see you tomorrow. |
| 23:45.48 | KtoTo | do widzenia ;) |
| 23:47.18 | mike-zal | dobranoc :) |
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