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| 03:17.12 | Zren | Whyyyy. :[ http://i.imgur.com/m976cDJ.png |
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| 05:55.31 | armin | hi, anyone an idea if i can set the foreground color of text in kwrite? am i just not able to find it? i've set solarized as the color scheme and i'm able to tweak e.g. the background color, but i can't find something for the foreground color. |
| 05:56.52 | armin | aaah nevermind, found it |
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| 07:44.00 | Avengence | I'm longtime KDE4 user testing out KDE5 in a VM and curious if there are any tricks to get things loking normal without major work. |
| 07:45.08 | Avengence | system tray: is there any icon-type preference? I don't want the monochrome icons |
| 07:46.50 | Avengence | Application Menu: how do I get back the classic app menu? I found the way to switch from app menu launcher but that is new style launcher (default in KDE4). I want the classic style (KDE3 default, alternate in KDE4) |
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| 07:48.52 | Avengence | workspace: how do I disable transparency? I switched the theme back to oxygen but everythign insists on being transparent. menus are totally unreadable unless all windowes are minimized. this is NOT what oxygen theme looked like in KDE4. |
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| 07:51.46 | Avengence | I guess the application menu is more like the classic menu than the application launcher, but how do I get rid of the huge icons on the left side and the stupid search box? without that crap (and the transparency) this app menu might be ok |
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| 08:03.50 | Avengence | how do I make the system clock show the date under the time instead of before it? I don't need a huge date and time eating up 20% of the lower panel |
| 08:04.44 | moritz1 | Greetings. I have kde 4.12.2 on debian jessie. Minimized windows appear sort of dimmed in the window list bar. How do you avoid the dimming? |
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| 08:15.02 | hendrix | moritz1: edit file after backupping: /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/packages/org.kde.plasma.tasks/contents/ui/Task.qml at line 219 or near change "enabled: !model.Minimized" to "enabled: true" |
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| 08:18.54 | moritz1 | hendrix: yay happy i didn't miss the configuration dialog option. will try that, thx!! |
| 08:19.57 | hendrix | that dimming is annoying |
| 08:21.16 | moritz1 | agreed. The bar is supposed to make it easy to find a window, but the dimming makes it harder again. |
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| 09:01.17 | moritz1 | hendrix: Also, in line 174, I changed "enabled: !(model.Minimized && !tasks.showOnlyMinimized)" to "enabled: true". Now my icons appear in their full beauty even if the window is minimized. It works, thanks again! |
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| 09:40.53 | lokeshsharma97_ | I want to contribute in plasma media center. Where should I start |
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| 14:04.20 | kiiwii | What's the default action for F keys? For example, when I Press F2 on a selected folder, it decrease the sound! While 'renaming' is exepted! |
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| 14:35.12 | Avengence | does the lack of answers mean it's impossible to alter any of those things, or just that nobody can be bothered to reply here? |
| 14:35.31 | BluesKaj | Avengence, usually thje former |
| 14:35.46 | Avengence | BluesKaj: I was afraid of that... |
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| 14:36.38 | BluesKaj | Avengence, it may not be impossible , it could be that those who know may be busy with other things atm. |
| 14:37.31 | BluesKaj | I had to reboot so I missed your issue |
| 14:37.57 | Avengence | its open source so nothing is impossible if I go hacking, but what is possible via normal configuration is a greater interst at the moment |
| 14:39.19 | BluesKaj | so what is it exactly? |
| 14:39.26 | Avengence | I had a series of questions about getting KDE5 to look and behave more like KDE4. it took a long time for KDE4 to mature to the point I could switch to it and shortly after the effort there dried up. I'd like some bug fixes, more for KE apps than the shell, but all new app work in on KF5 versions |
| 14:40.10 | Avengence | so, trying tofigure ourt how to make KDE5 usable. I'll repeat since you weren't around and it's been longer enough that may be rtue for others as well. |
| 14:40.38 | Avengence | system tray: is there any icon-type preference? I don't want the hollow monochrome icons |
| 14:40.46 | Avengence | Application Menu: how do I get back the classic app menu? I found the way to switch from app menu launcher but that is new style launcher (default in KDE4). I want the classic style (KDE3 default, alternate in KDE4) |
| 14:40.59 | Avengence | workspace: how do I disable transparency? I switched the theme back to oxygen but everythign insists on being transparent. menus are totally unreadable unless all windowes are minimized. this is NOT what oxygen theme looked like in KDE4. |
| 14:43.24 | akik | Avengence: for me, i find translucency in desktop effects. if you have it checked or not should control it |
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| 14:45.38 | Avengence | akik: that controls the availability of the translucency effect everywhere. I do not want to totally disable it, I just don,t wanth everything that opens from the panel to be translucent |
| 14:45.52 | BluesKaj | well , I'm using kde/plasma 5.5.4 , using breeze dark for the desktop theme (no rtransparency) |
| 14:46.19 | BluesKaj | no transparency |
| 14:47.05 | Avengence | I just switched to breeze dark and open the app menu. its translucent |
| 14:48.05 | Avengence | also, I note a bug here. when I switch the theme and apply, it definitely changes everything, but details tab still shows the previous theme selected. |
| 14:48.51 | akik | Avengence: did you check out the settings for translucency? there are sliders where you can set different things |
| 14:49.42 | Avengence | since everything that opens from the pabel is translucent regardless of theme, I considered therre may be a panel option but I don't see one. visibility settings are on "always visible" but I must disagree with that label, its only halfway visible |
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| 14:51.22 | Avengence | akik: if you are talking about the general translucensy settings in desktop effects, everything is set to full opaque except moving windows. that is the default. clearly the panel enteties do not obey those settings. |
| 14:51.51 | Avengence | are there any panel settings for transparency? |
| 14:53.09 | Avengence | oh hell, I can disable the transparency desktop effect entirely and everything that opens from the panel is STILL translucent |
| 14:54.40 | Avengence | I notice the breeze theme stacks the date and time as I want. why does switching theme change the clock? where are the settins for the clock to control it independent of theme? |
| 14:54.48 | rdieter_work | I don't think panel tranlency isn't a desktop effect |
| 14:55.10 | rdieter_work | sorry, double(wrong) negative there, hopefully you get the idea |
| 14:56.13 | Avengence | rdieter_work: i get that you are confirming what I observed, the panel is not using the desktop effects, it does its own thing |
| 14:56.29 | rdieter_work | Avengence: it's simply alpha channel in the svg theme |
| 14:57.07 | rdieter_work | (that said, it does only work if kwin opengl effects is enabled, iirc) |
| 14:57.29 | rdieter_work | kwin opengl compositing, that is |
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| 14:58.00 | rdieter_work | Avengence: or, switch to a different plasma/desktop theme that doesn't use translent panel |
| 14:58.12 | rdieter_work | (sigh, cannot spell today) |
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| 14:59.08 | Avengence | rdieter_work: no opengl, running with xrender in this vm |
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| 14:59.43 | rdieter_work | ok, I didn't think xrender supported alpha blending, guess I was wrong |
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| 15:00.06 | Avengence | all the themese I tried have transparency and if its part of the heme that's a regression in / sabotage of oxygen theme |
| 15:00.15 | swifty16 | is Userbase down please? |
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| 15:00.50 | rdieter_work | swifty16: is for me too :( |
| 15:00.57 | swifty16 | :( |
| 15:01.19 | swifty16 | I wanted to see if the Slack group is active |
| 15:01.28 | Avengence | rdieter_work: any idea where the theme files are that should be edited? |
| 15:02.02 | swifty16 | or if there is a Slack team |
| 15:02.50 | rdieter_work | Avengence: under /usr/share/plasma/desktoptheme on my box |
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| 15:05.58 | Avengence | now I just need to figure out what to do with these files |
| 15:06.07 | Avengence | ls |
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| 15:11.59 | Avengence | interesting, there's a subdir under oxygen theme called opaque and it has files of same names as those outside it |
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| 15:13.18 | Avengence | default set has folders for translucent and opaque and air theme does as well, as if there should be some preference for this |
| 15:14.09 | Avengence | oxygen them has only opaue, not translucent, and yet everything appears translucent. so either the folder name is a lie or there's a transparency effect applied to the panel regardlesso of the theme |
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| 15:14.30 | rdieter_work | maybe, or used only if alpha-channel isn't supported (like in non-compositing case) |
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| 15:30.10 | mark_otaris | Can I get/set the contents of the clipboard with DBus? |
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| 15:30.39 | mark_otaris | I'd like to set the clipboard contents from the command line (e.g. with qdbus), but xclip wouldn't work with Wayland and requires installing another program |
| 15:31.05 | mark_otaris | http://milianw.de/code-snippets/access-klipper-clipboard-on-cli-under-kde4 would do what I want... on KDE4. |
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| 15:32.20 | rdieter_work | mark_otaris: if you use klipper instead of the "Clipboar" plasma applet, probably |
| 15:32.32 | rdieter_work | s/Clipboar/Clipboard/ |
| 15:32.44 | mark_otaris | Oh yeah, I actually use the Clipboard applet |
| 15:32.53 | mark_otaris | So that wouldn't have worked anyway |
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| 15:36.01 | rdieter_work | mark_otaris: I mean, it's still possible to use klipper instead of "Clipboard", if you choose |
| 15:36.12 | rdieter_work | plasma5 still provides it (klipper) |
| 15:36.14 | mark_otaris | But I'd rather not |
| 15:36.17 | rdieter_work | ok |
| 15:36.29 | mark_otaris | However I couldn't find a DBus API for Clipboard |
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| 15:36.56 | mark_otaris | (doesn't really need to be dbus, I just need a way to set the clipboard contents that works on Wayland) |
| 15:37.04 | rdieter_work | <nod>, the plasma applet doesn't appear to support any sort of dbus interface |
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| 15:42.17 | Asem | hi, i am using korganizer and i use google calendar there , the email notifcation about events is sent through my work email which is the default , can i associate the smtp server that i want to use with teh calendar ? |
| 15:43.23 | beanbean | Iâm having an issue with the cursor icon transitions in plasma 5 (ie. changing from arrow to hand, text editing cursor, etc.). It seems to be hypersensitive and is particularly annoying when using Firefox due to the abundace of links, images, and text which cause it to âwiggleâ as it briefly changes back to the arrow icon when hovering over blank space. Has anyone else had this issue and is there any |
| 15:43.29 | beanbean | way to fix it? I tried ... |
| 15:43.32 | beanbean | ... some suggestions from a thread I found online, including disabling hardware acceleration in Firefox and installing/updating Java, but it appears to be a system wide issue since I find it happens in other applications as well... |
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| 15:45.54 | rdieter_work | beanbean: not sure what you're asking, that you *don't* want the cursor to change when hovering over stuff like text boxes, links, etc... ? |
| 15:47.46 | beanbean | Ah, no. The issue is that the cursor rapidly changes between the appropriate icon and the arrow icon (whenever it passes over blank space). |
| 15:48.18 | beanbean | That behavior makes sense, but it is super sensitive, as those some threshold setting is too low. |
| 15:48.53 | rdieter_work | I don't see any changes over blank space |
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| 15:49.11 | beanbean | This means that as I move across a set of links, for example, the cursor flickers between the hand and arrow cursor. |
| 15:50.29 | rdieter_work | ok, I'm not aware of anything that can done to change that (and I'm not sure I'd even want to, personally) |
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| 15:51.54 | beanbean | Sorry, I may not be describing it well. It is definietly not standard behavior. When using other desktop environments I do not have this issue. |
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| 15:54.31 | beanbean | It makes sense for the cursor to change, but for example, when moving across text in a paragraph vertically it causes the icon to rapidly change to the arrow icon as it passes over the white space between lines. |
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| 16:23.47 | BlaXpirit | arch-user, ok, you're doing something wrong then |
| 16:23.50 | cb400f | and if you insert other commands e.g. 'amarok' or whatever, it works? |
| 16:23.58 | BlaXpirit | not sure what 'Nod' is |
| 16:24.03 | BlaXpirit | not sure what 'Mod' is # ugh |
| 16:24.34 | arch-user | cb400f, Yes, I mapped the terminal to Alt + Ctrl + T and it works |
| 16:24.49 | BlaXpirit | arch-user, what about mapping terminal to Mod + E |
| 16:25.22 | arch-user | Okay.What is the preffered place to add my shortcuts ? Custom or Global? |
| 16:25.38 | BlaXpirit | arch-user, I wouldn't say "preferred" |
| 16:25.49 | BlaXpirit | arch-user, custom is the place to do it, global just isn't |
| 16:26.59 | arch-user | BlaXpirit, I am new to KDE. So when I open Custom Shortcuts window, there are 4 folders already listed. Dolphin isn't included in one of them. |
| 16:27.15 | BlaXpirit | arch-user, no, it isn't. it's just random predefined action. you need to add a new one |
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| 16:27.55 | arch-user | So I click on 'Edit' -> New . Now what is the difference between Global Shortcut and Window Action ? |
| 16:28.01 | BlaXpirit | whether you make your own folder or not, you're supposed to add New > Global Shortcut > Command/URL |
| 16:28.34 | BlaXpirit | arch-user, one is keyboard and the other one i've never seen |
| 16:28.44 | BlaXpirit | looks like it's automatic action when a window appears etc |
| 16:29.06 | arch-user | BlaXpirit, Okay, I did it. Now in the actions field, I have to just write dolphin right? |
| 16:29.12 | BlaXpirit | right |
| 16:29.52 | arch-user | BlaXpirit, And to set up the shortcut I have to switch to "Trigger" tab and click on Shortcut 'cogwheel' icon. |
| 16:30.14 | BlaXpirit | arch-user, I don't see any cogwheel |
| 16:30.33 | BlaXpirit | Shortcut: [[icon] None] |
| 16:30.41 | arch-user | Yes. |
| 16:30.47 | BlaXpirit | you must be using some differnt icon set |
| 16:30.59 | BlaXpirit | because it's definitely not a cogwheel nowadays |
| 16:31.32 | arch-user | Yes, different icon theme. Then I am asked to input my shortcut. I press windows(Meta) key and E. It registers it. Then Apply. |
| 16:31.42 | BlaXpirit | ok |
| 16:32.13 | arch-user | But it still not working. What addtional task do I need to do? |
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| 16:32.50 | arch-user | BlaXpirit, Do I need to add something in the Action tab? |
| 16:33.13 | BlaXpirit | arch-user, uh action tab is supposed to be just `dolphin` (no quotes) |
| 16:33.39 | BlaXpirit | make sure checkbox is checked in the list of actions |
| 16:33.48 | BlaXpirit | that covers everything |
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| 16:35.58 | arch-user | BlaXpirit, Still not working. But I opened the Dolphin properties. And in the Applications tab, The Command box has "dolphin %u" as the command input. Is this the problem? |
| 16:36.15 | BlaXpirit | arch-user, no, that's good |
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| 16:40.08 | arch-user | BlaXpirit, As it turns out, I tried reassigning it to Alt + Ctrl + H. Still doesn't work. Maybe I have some error in assinging keybinding |
| 16:40.27 | BlaXpirit | :( I don't know |
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| 16:42.57 | arch-user | BlaXpirit, I did it :) |
| 16:43.38 | arch-user | What a fool I am. The Action tab is where I have to set the command. When I created the dolphin command , that was just the name of the actual shortcut. |
| 16:43.51 | arch-user | BlaXpirit, Thank You for your time. |
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| 17:21.14 | shakar | Hi! Is there up to date documentation anywhere on making custom task switchers? I'd like to make one exactly like the large icon switcher, except have it use icons from the user's icon theme. |
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| 17:23.24 | leszek | shakar: whats wrong with using icons task ? It uses the specified icon theme |
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| 17:32.18 | shakar | leszek: I don't have an option with that name, searching online . . . |
| 17:32.58 | leszek | shakar: thats the default one that comes with plasma |
| 17:33.03 | shakar | leszek: can't find it, do you mean "Small Icons" ? |
| 17:33.06 | leszek | icon only task manager or so called |
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| 17:33.21 | shakar | Oh, I'm not talking about task managers |
| 17:33.35 | shakar | I'm talking about the switcher, generally triggered by alt-tab |
| 17:34.04 | leszek | ah alt+tab switcher |
| 17:34.16 | leszek | sorry my fault |
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| 18:14.07 | bowlofeggs | if my laptop brightness control buttons stopped working after upgrading from Fedora 23 to Fedora 24, what component should I try to debug? Would it be a kernel thing, or is that handled by KDE? |
| 18:15.05 | a17r | kernel, most likely |
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| 19:21.29 | demlak | hi |
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| 19:25.17 | demlak | and i can't figure out why... so i want to control them |
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| 20:24.31 | victorx | hola a todos ,alguien habla español en el canal? |
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| 20:26.53 | victorx | kde me ha dejado seleccionar el idioma para mi teclado con exito ,pero no funciona para mis passwd ,podrian ayudarme con eso? |
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| 20:36.54 | shakar | victorx: you mean at your display manager login? which display manager? sddm? |
| 20:39.02 | shakar | victorx: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SDDM#SDDM_loads_only_US_keyboard_layout |
| 20:41.02 | victorx | shakar: if that is indeed |
| 20:43.07 | victorx | shakar: I do not quite understand this, but I have to create a new file for it? |
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| 21:37.17 | e-anima | does kmail have an irc channel? |
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| 21:38.19 | tosky | e-anima: #kontact (for all the pim components) |
| 21:38.28 | e-anima | ok |
| 21:38.30 | e-anima | thx |
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| 21:51.50 | shakar | victorx: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Keyboard_configuration_in_Xorg_%28Espa%C3%B1ol%29#Utilizar_localectl |
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| 22:04.14 | e-anima | anyone here using kmail. tried to set up some accounts pop3 and imap. seems to be completely bugged. |
| 22:04.34 | e-anima | folders disappear, ghostmails. setup new pop account doesn tactually create a folder account |
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| 22:07.20 | tosky | pop accounts have no separate tree like IMAP ones, you configure them in the unified folders (but it has been a while since I used a pop account on kmail) |
| 22:08.00 | e-anima | you mean i must create the folders manually and map them? |
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| 22:10.18 | tosky | e-anima: if I remember correctly, yes; by default there are the ones in Local folders |
| 22:10.59 | e-anima | did that. they then disappear, then he says something about folder was deleted recreating |
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| 22:11.13 | e-anima | fatal error crash |
| 22:11.36 | e-anima | the ghost mail was also very ugly too. imap completely not usable |
| 22:12.55 | e-anima | no offense but kmail seems to be the moste bugged linux tool i tested so far :) |
| 22:14.03 | e-anima | maybe i twas a dumb idea to use the importer |
| 22:15.22 | tosky | ghost email, which IMAP server do you use? There is a known (but not trivial to fix) issue with a specific type of IMAP server |
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| 22:15.48 | e-anima | i have multiple providers. arcor, yahoo, gmx, hotmail, custom server |
| 22:16.23 | e-anima | i guess this is not my mailclient. i read in the forums about that bug, very old one. |
| 22:17.47 | e-anima | i guess i should stick with thunderbrid |
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| 22:24.31 | e-anima | hmm. i am gonna reset kmail and will not use imap. looked at my notices and they tell me "dont use imap it fucking sucks" :) |
| 22:24.45 | e-anima | now i remember why i switched all back from imap 3 years ago to pop3 |
| 22:26.00 | tosky | uhm, I use imap daily at work |
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| 22:26.38 | e-anima | yea maybe with one server you control. if you have multiple provides...well i got the ghosting bug with the first one |
| 22:27.04 | tosky | I don't control the server |
| 22:27.14 | e-anima | and i have a lot of accounst and mails |
| 22:27.44 | e-anima | i only ned them on one pc so pop3 is solid stable ad works i hope. testing that now |
| 22:28.21 | e-anima | now i need to find out how to reset kmail |
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| 22:47.31 | e-anima | tosky, ok i think i got it now. if oyu use the "the bat" importer everything goes to hell. damn proprietary shit mailbox formats. |
| 22:47.40 | tosky | oh, I see |
| 22:48.21 | e-anima | why must everybody creat new formats :) |
| 22:49.35 | e-anima | i will export the messages manually. that will be fun with all these folders. |
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| 22:53.27 | axc1298 | are there any qt/kde frontends to openvpn? |
| 22:56.37 | rdieter | axc1298: frontends as it being server or client? (plasma-nm supports openvpn as a client) |
| 22:57.50 | armin | hi, can i have icons on my desktop without having to add a folder view widget to it? |
| 22:57.54 | axc1298 | ok. do you use nm? i am on wicd because for some reason when i installed plasma-nm, i couldn't see my wifi network listed |
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| 22:58.12 | axc1298 | i think i read you need to disable /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:58.27 | tosky | axc1298: the default configuration (on Debian) should work |
| 22:58.38 | armin | wicd is pretty awesome. |
| 22:59.02 | tosky | axc1298: you can check from the command line client (nmcli) as well to see if it is a problem of the plasma applet or not |
| 22:59.06 | axc1298 | tosky: i use debian |
| 22:59.35 | e-anima | gn8 guys. kmail beat me. i lost. will fight again tomorrow :) |
| 22:59.42 | tosky | axc1298: stable, testing? In any case, the default setup should work (as interfaces not defined in /etc/network/interface are handled by nm) |
| 23:00.00 | axc1298 | stable |
| 23:00.53 | axc1298 | when i installed debian, it created an interfaces file for ethernet since i had it connected to ethernet. then i didn't have a utility to connect to another network or interface like wifi, so i installed the wicd-plasma one, which worked |
| 23:01.20 | axc1298 | *wicd-kde |
| 23:01.38 | tosky | but you said you tried to use plasma-nm, but you didn't see the wireless networks |
| 23:02.40 | axc1298 | yes, i was connected to ethernet at the time, and plasma-nm didn't show any networks listed, even the one i was currently connected to. and i was told that it's because ethernet is configured through the interfaces file. so i needed to disable that if i wanted plasma-nm to take over and handle networks |
| 23:02.53 | armin | just use wicd-curses |
| 23:03.17 | axc1298 | well i'm currently using wicd-kde and it works armin, so no needed to go all CLI lol |
| 23:03.26 | axc1298 | it's a widget |
| 23:03.35 | tosky | axc1298: no, you don't need to disable that; check the content of /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian iirc |
| 23:03.54 | armin | axc1298: you should still keep wicd-curses installed for such cases where your graphical environment isn't accessible. |
| 23:03.54 | tosky | I had that configuration working for a long while on debian systems |
| 23:04.04 | tosky | (note: also nm has cli tools) |
| 23:04.17 | armin | cli != ncurses. |
| 23:04.31 | tosky | yes, both |
| 23:04.34 | axc1298 | ok thanks |
| 23:04.42 | tosky | cli (nmcli) AND curses (nmtui) |
| 23:04.47 | armin | networkmanager doesn't have a curses based interface. |
| 23:04.49 | tosky | it has |
| 23:04.52 | armin | oh |
| 23:04.55 | armin | nmtui. |
| 23:04.58 | armin | *googles* |
| 23:05.11 | axc1298 | armin: ncurses is the version of wicd that runs in terminal right? |
| 23:05.31 | axc1298 | wicd-curses |
| 23:05.43 | armin | axc1298: interesting. |
| 23:06.07 | armin | axc1298: yes. curses is just a library to draw such beautiful curses based interfaces. |
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| 23:06.27 | armin | tosky: interesting. thank you. |
| 23:06.39 | armin | tosky: just came across this: https://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/files/2014/06/nmtui.png |
| 23:08.01 | axc1298 | i noticed that any DNS settings i make in wicd are ignored. i had to edit my resolv.conf to change DNS. |
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