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00:12.40mayhewIs there any way to change the font size of the clock font in the bottom right corner of Plasma 5?
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02:47.57AndrzejLanyone here knows how to stop panel from jumping from desktop primary to secondary on each reboot?
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03:02.07uid1I have a ~/.kde and a ~/.kde4   -- can anyone explain which is for what?  I've never run KDE 3 and only accidentally a few QT5 apps.
03:02.54uid1I'm getting odd results between Kubuntu 14.04 and Manjaro with KDE 4.14 on it; not sure which folder I should remove (or which is currently being used).
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03:10.02thiagouid1: what do you have in ~/.kde?
03:10.10thiagocheck the file dates
03:10.38thiagothe official place to store application files in KDE was ~/.kde for all versions, including KDE 4
03:10.49thiagoKF5-based applications store in ~/.local and ~/.config
03:11.04thiago~/.kde4 is a change that some distros make, so you have to ask your distro, not us
03:11.04aptthiago: okay
03:11.57uid1thiago: I have stuff from 2009 until today.  Most recent is a socket symlink.
03:12.20uid1I have a ~/.local and ~/.config too.   Jeez.
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03:13.08uid1Would the distro "guilty" of using ~/.kde4 be Kubuntu ?
03:15.08uid1And ~/.local has things from today too.
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03:21.25uid1Another question.  Manjaro with KDE 4.14.5 has Remote Control in SystemSettings -> Input Devices.  Works perfectly with lirc + VLC.   Kubuntu 14.04 doesn't (4.13 I believe).   Neither does Kubuntu 16.04.
03:21.47uid1How would one get that feature back - Remote Control in Input Devices ?   Thanks...
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06:51.03zoldyckHi, I upgraded to KDE Apps 16.04 yesterday. Announcement says:
06:51.04zoldyckThe new features include a redesign of the KAddressbook contact editor, a new default KMail Header theme, improvements to the Settings Exporter and a fix of Favicon support in Akregator. The KMail composer interface has been cleaned up along with the introduction of a new Default KMail Header Theme with the Grantlee theme used for the 'About' page in KMail as well as Kontact and Akregator.
06:51.15zoldyck[09:46:42] <zoldyck> but message headers disappeared in my KMail
06:51.16zoldyck[09:46:58] <zoldyck> menu item View -> Headers does not show the next menu level
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06:51.18zoldyck[09:47:10] <zoldyck> the app "KMail Header Theme Editor" does not show any themes and crashes on exit
06:51.19zoldyck[09:47:24] <zoldyck> not a pleasant upgrade :)
06:51.21zoldyck[09:49:07] <zoldyck> oh, and KMail crashes when I try to open a message with double click
06:51.22zoldyck[09:49:14] <zoldyck> it's a disaster :)
06:51.24zoldyck[09:49:59] <zoldyck> log_messageviewer: trying to writeMsgHeader() without a header style set!
06:51.25zoldyck[09:49:59] <zoldyck> *** KMail got signal 11 (Exiting)
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06:52.41uid1zoldyck: Seems like KDE updates have been well and truly f#cked of late, at least in my experience.
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06:53.34zoldyckI don't know, maybe it's a packaging error
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06:53.58Sho_we've gotten really, really positive feedback about Plasma 5.6, but I'm not really sure what's going on with PIM
06:55.42zoldyckwhere are those theme files?
06:56.32zoldycktheme editor expects to open a theme directory
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07:01.40zoldyckhmm, the theme editor already crashed in 15.12.3
07:01.48zoldyckI checked on another PC
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07:01.55zoldyckdifferent distro :)
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08:00.52geodb27People : hi !
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08:03.53geodb27There are few things that are confusing with plasma 5 and the new version of all kde (I've been using kde for years now), and I would like to fill some bug reports, but I wold like to be sure about what I would ask for. May I entertain you about what I find wrong ?
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08:10.05geodb27Well, there doesn't seem to be much people over here. I'll see later. For now, and as a sum-up : multiscreen don't work as expected (main screen change on logout/login, wallpapers are set randomly while they are set correctly, screen positions are not kep).
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08:23.27flurickgeodb27: agree, also my laptops screen brightness buttons crashes both kde and gnome so not sure if those screen issues comes from some other basic packages or what
08:24.06flurick(works fine in openbox)
08:24.30geodb27Hi fulrick ! Indeed, that's why I talk about it over here. I wouldn't like to fill in a bug report for the wrong package.
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08:25.58flurickit would just get closed and the next person would find out it was known... hopefully
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08:32.03kfunkgeodb27: google your problem(s) and check if there already existing bug reports
08:32.07kfunklikely there are
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08:47.46e-animayou guys know any kde tool taht is a simple stopwatch that plays an alarm after finsihing?
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09:03.49kfunke-anima: kteatime
09:04.24kfunke-anima: there's also a plasma widget, called 'timer' I think
09:04.42e-animathe widget is not useful. it plays no soudn after finishing
09:04.58kfunke-anima: you can run a command after finishing
09:05.15e-animaok thank you
09:05.20e-animasounds good
09:07.49kfunke-anima: aplay /usr/share/alarmclock/ring.wav
09:07.52kfunkfor a useful command :)
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09:08.17kfunkcould be easier to select a sound, I agree, that's not solved nicely...
09:08.44e-animai need to find myself some nice soudnfiles pack.
09:08.58e-animai dont have the folder you posted :D
09:09.25kfunke-anima: there should be lots of stuff in e.g. oxygen-sounds package
09:09.35e-animaah ok nice
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09:10.51kfunkplay /usr/share/sounds/Oxygen-Im-Phone-Ring.ogg
09:11.18kfunke-anima: anyway: it's easier to configure in kteatime
09:11.30e-animai take a look at it thank you
09:11.31kfunkand it already has sound notifications by default
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09:11.43kfunkuses kteatime heavily for pizza-ready notifications
09:11.47kfunkis such a nerd
09:11.55e-animarofl. thats what i need it for too
09:12.02e-animaotherwise i get fried black brickets :D
09:12.06kfunk+1
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09:42.18alvinWhat's the difference between xclock/xterm/firefox and kwrite/dolphin regarding X11Forwarding over SSH? xclock and so on works, but plasma 5 programs do not. No errors. They are just not there when launched.
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10:05.24e-animakfunk, teatime seems nice. but who ever coded that could have allowed poeple to set a time that is mor that 59 min , 59 seconds :D
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10:06.19kfunke-anima: arguably, there's no tea that'll steep that long ;)
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10:06.31e-animaif i put my big chicken in the oven!
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10:13.20kfunke-anima: E_NOTSUPPORTED
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10:21.46teprrrkteatime allows longer time periods, no?
10:22.00teprrrI'm using it all the time when doing laundry, making food etc. which may took longer than 60min.. :P
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10:46.01e-animakfunk, ? context?
10:46.31e-animateprrr, i got my version from the RCh repositorys. maybe thats an older version
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10:55.51teprrre-anima: that can very well be. kteatime 1.3.0 says --version here
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11:07.09Justicehas anyone noticed in kf5 that rightclicks on contextmenu automaticly clicks if you rightclick and drag your mouse a bit?
11:08.08Justiceie rightclick on desktop and drag mouse diagonally to the right.
11:08.24Justicetriggers krunner without clicking again for me
11:09.15rdieterJustice: that's odd, but not reproducible here for me
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11:09.43Justicei wonder if it is related to polling rate
11:09.58Justicelemme check
11:12.23Justicenope
11:13.00JusticeI can trigger it constantly no matter what.
11:13.18Justicetry this, rightklick and move mouse right while doing so
11:13.40rdieterJustice: I did multiple times already, I just see the context menu appear
11:15.37Justicehm
11:18.11Justicerdieter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK-2atEzmsA&feature=youtu.be
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11:30.25BluesKajHowdy all
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11:39.41SzykCechJustice: That can be hardware isssue. If you have bad button in the mouse then button pressing may be lost when you move mouse...
11:40.23SzykCechSo it result as spurious click...
11:40.32SzykCechIs your mouse new?
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11:49.51JusticeSzykCech: its not hardware issue and no
11:50.07JusticeSzykCech: if you hold down rightclick and release after a while you have the same thing but intended
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11:59.53computer123Hi ! I would like to contribute to Kde. Can someone help me get started?
12:01.16rdietercomputer123: here's some pointers, https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved
12:01.51computer123Thanks !
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12:19.01ShalokShalom_is there any weather widget, which works now?
12:23.16Fuchstwo
12:23.48FuchsThere is the Weather Widget, which I prefer (takes data from some norwegian weather site, but it looks and acts great) and there is the official one, with Plasma 5.6
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12:37.37geodb27People : hi ! Does plasma save the multiscreen configuration used somewhere ? I've found that it was in krandrrc in past kde4 version, but can't find it anymore as for kde5.
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12:40.24hateballgeodb27: kscreen
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12:46.51geodb27thanks for your answer hateball. Is there any reason why there are many files in .config/share/kscreen with "strange" names (a hash I'd guess) ?
12:47.05hateballgeodb27: there's a file for each screen you've connected
12:47.31geodb27This can't be : I only have three screens and there are 4 files Oo ?
12:47.32hateballgeodb27: they are plaintext files, you can read them
12:49.11geodb27when I diff the last one with the other ones, I can't see any noticeable difference. My question would then be : why is not the last one read at system startup ?
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12:50.17ShalokShalomFuchs: yeah, once i click on it, does it look fine
12:50.46ShalokShalomthanks :)
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12:56.26hateballgeodb27: whenever I have issues with monitor settings I just kill the GUI and remove the config files and start again to let it recreate them
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13:02.17yann-kaeligwhere is the laptop low battery managing in kde settings ?
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13:08.17ashkahi, I cannot use anything "hot new stuff" related, e.g. fetching new themes from the internet, says "download from http://download.kde.org/ocs/providers.xml failed". Is this because my KDE4 setup is too old ? running 4.8.4 on debian oldstable
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13:17.29bes_internalin new kde (some beetween 4 and 15) konversation open http jpg links to image viewer not to browser. Where I will change it?
13:18.09yann-kaeliglol
13:18.15yann-kaeligthat kde a total mess
13:19.51yann-kaelighow is it possible that sound is the default battery alert instead of visual alert
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13:25.41Tujunice, some bloody "improvement" has hosed all my knotes
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13:26.21Tujuyann-kaelig: indeed, it's a fucking mess and getting worse day by day
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13:26.56Tujuyann-kaelig: i'm not sure where laptop battery management is but sure hell i have it running on my desktop.
13:28.25yann-kaeligTuju: hi. I really thought that  during all this time I will see something better, then I give a chance to reinstall kde/plasma5 on my laptop, but I think I made an really wrong choice.
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13:30.15yann-kaeligsometime I think they are developping kde from terminal and never use it
13:30.31yann-kaeligtty*
13:35.04rdieterbes_internal: systemsettings -> applications -> default applications -> webbrowser
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13:35.42yann-kaeliglol
13:35.45rdieterbes_internal: in particular, select a browser, not "in an applications based on the contents of the URL"
13:36.11Tujuyann-kaelig: that has crosesd my mind too (not using it)
13:36.49Tujuthat applies to some usability issues especially.
13:37.30Tujuwhich is something that causes pain and you could live with it, but losing data is something that causes loss of work hours and plain money.
13:37.48rdieteryann-kaelig: maybe your distro changed it?  my default notication for battery items is *both* sound and show message in popup
13:38.00Tujui've spent countless hours with PIM shit and it just gets worse release by release
13:38.37yann-kaeligrdieter: I don't think so, I'm installating kde from source. I suppose that the default option, not sure
13:38.55rdieteryann-kaelig: I can't explain the difference then
13:39.52rdieterfor *me* systemsettings -> notifications -> event source: power management, battery-low/battery-critical has both 'play a sound' and 'show message in popup' checked
13:40.23rdieterand I'm certain it's not customized from upstream defaults here either
13:41.05rdieterso, it's probably worth debugging some, before assuming where and who to blame
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13:43.18yann-kaeligrdieter: I am making a general statement, kde development is made day by day. It's really look like there is no designer, no plan, no ground. One day they  do one think, another they do another and the third they removed the first think with another great idea ...
13:43.46rdieterbut really, ranting based on false assumptions, is... well, silly
13:43.57bes_internalrdieter: it was the first thing I did - http://internal.by/i/screen_20160422-164229.png - and I changed and reapply this value. Konversation stil open urls depend of content
13:44.17rdieterbes_internal: restart konversation after making the change
13:44.39rdieter(I think sometimes currently running apps don't notice)
13:44.45bes_internalrdieter: hmm, one sec
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13:46.03bes_internalrdieter: nope
13:46.26rdieteryann-kaelig: I'd encourage you to peruse the kde community code of conduct
13:46.37rdieteryann-kaelig: in particular the "be respectful" section
13:46.55bes_internalrdieter: I think the new kernel is already acting on kde5, but the control is not already in the system
13:46.56yann-kaeligit's llok like they build ing a home wihtout plan and architect help. Ho! We forgot to make a hole for the window here, ok let's do it. Ho! the wall is unstable now, ok we will hang beams here, lol
13:48.06rdieterbes_internal: :(  strange it works for me, sounds like a bug ... somewhere
13:48.55rdietersorry, link, https://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/
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13:49.58yann-kaeligrdieter: I'm not respectful when i'm giving my opinion ? thank you for your openness, they are a lot of others DE i can use. I made I mistake with kde, I can switch on other one right now.
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13:50.46rdieteryann-kaelig: you're at least implying incompetance and lack of planning
13:51.00rdieterlack of design
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13:51.20yann-kaeligyes, because this is how it's look like.
13:51.53rdieteryann-kaelig: and the CoC suggests you "assume that people mean well", clearly you didn't bother reading it (yet)
13:51.54yann-kaeligthis is the tru but you don't want to hear it. You prefer to be sure you are exceptional guys
13:52.31rdieteryann-kaelig: so yeah, if you're going to base criticism based on false assumptions, then it's not welcome
13:53.10rdieterit's possible to criticize, but still be respectful and constructive
13:53.16rdieterthat's what I'm suggesting
13:53.19rdieter(strongly)
13:53.24yann-kaeligno problem. Thx for you work. I will never install again kde, and never propose it to my circle. You win
13:53.29yann-kaeliggood bye
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15:22.38ShalokShalomhi there
15:23.30ShalokShalomi am a bit blind, yeah, and the search bar in systemsettings wont help me as well.. where can i disable the password check, when the system wakes up from hibernation in plasma5?
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15:25.49ShalokShalomah, got it
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15:56.12ENOSPCHello, is davmail still the only way to use kontact calendar with MS office 365, or is there any better way?
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16:04.13uid1Manjaro with KDE 4.14.5 has Remote Control in SystemSettings -> Input Devices.  Works perfectly with lirc + VLC.   Kubuntu 14.04 doesn't (4.13 I believe).   Neither does Kubuntu 16.04.     Anyone know how one would go about getting "Remote Control" in SystemSettings -> Input Devices?
16:08.06uid1Preferably in 4.13 as I'm not ready to switch to KF5
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16:25.17Ingarhi, I'm having the issue where plasma doesnt remember multi-monitor layout. I have to reconfigure it after every restart. I had this before and got it fixed, but I can't remember the fix
16:26.08uid1Ingar: I had similar issue in the past, I think nvidia-settings  solved it (worth a try if running Nvidia card)
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16:26.27Ingaralready did that, I wrote an X.org with the correct definitions
16:26.30martian67hello, i am having issues with spellchecking in kde apps
16:26.33Ingarsddm respects them
16:26.48martian67i am getting an error in the console "No language dictionaries for the language: "en-CA""
16:27.02martian67aspell english and hunspell english dictionaries are all installed
16:27.15martian67spell checking works fine in gtk/gnome apps
16:27.32martian67can anyone hit me with a clue-by-four
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16:39.44Ingaruid1: forced it again through nvidia-settings (to make sure), alas it didn't work
16:40.29Ingarsettings
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17:16.23mayhewInstalled Kubuntu 16.04 yesterday. Noticing today that MySQL is using 837M of RAM. Any idea why it'd be using so much? It's not using any CPU.
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17:18.28rdietermayhew: how are you measuring memory usage?
17:20.10rdieterksysguard is good in that regard
17:20.10mayhewrdieter: it's in the RES column in htop and in the Memory column of KSysGuard
17:20.17rdieterok
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17:48.29ali_akczahi, after upgrade to 16.04 kde apps, have problem with kmail, dont see header in message... from, to etc
17:48.40ali_akczain menu option view -> header dont see any options
17:48.48ali_akczaif double-clicking message from list kmail crash
17:51.01genstormali_akcza: missing kdepim-addons?
17:52.17ali_akczagenstorm: mhmm, dont have installed :/
17:52.26ali_akczaok now install on arch, thanks
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17:54.44ali_akczagenstorm: thanks, now works :)
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17:55.33genstormdouble-click crash would seem to be a bug that was solved
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18:00.33genstormali_akcza: but only in 16.04.1
18:01.29ali_akczagenstorm: kdepim-addons resolve doble-click too
18:01.39ali_akczainstall kdepim-addons
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21:11.11keithzgAnyone ever get kde connect to work via specifying a hostname? Never seems to actually do anything for me, I add it to the custom device list but they never show up on the available devices listing.
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22:18.29M3mphiZIm running plasma on gentoo, i would like to enable the GUI on boot, how do i do that?
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22:29.56rdieterM3mphiZ: ask your distro
22:30.04rdieter(that's not a kde question)
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22:35.25BaumMitAugenGood evening.
22:35.37BaumMitAugenI am actually no sure whether this is a KDE or distro question, so I hope this fits:
22:35.51BaumMitAugenI cannot select anything but "Analog Output" in the system settings on my soundcard, thus my
22:35.54BaumMitAugen<PROTECTED>
22:36.26FuchsBaumMitAugen: can you open up alsamixer in a console and see if the headphones can be controlled separately?
22:36.48Fuchsor whether there is a setting  (you might have to switch from pulse to the actual sound card, F6 can do that)
22:37.13BaumMitAugenSec, gotta find out the commands
22:37.38FuchsAlt+F2, konsole, alsamixer, F6
22:38.17BaumMitAugenAlright, got it. (Alsamixer was not installed.)
22:38.30BaumMitAugenThe "Analog" volume of the soundcard is at 100%
22:39.12Fuchsyes, do you have other things to control, though?
22:39.26FuchsLike "Headphone" or the likes
22:39.29Fuchsyou might also have switches
22:40.14FuchsBaumMitAugen: otherwise you can do an    amixer -c 0    on a konsole and place the result in a pastebin for me  (not in here)
22:40.33Fuchs(which silly distribution does _not_ install alsamixer, by the way? I need to avoid that one)
22:41.01BaumMitAugenarch
22:41.37Fuchsah, that one I avoid anyway
22:42.06BaumMitAugenhttp://pastebin.com/kqFWyYsJ
22:42.31BaumMitAugenThat's amixer -c 2 > kwrite btw, but that's the number of the soundcard in alsamixer
22:43.21BaumMitAugenOh, something happened when playing with the contols.
22:43.57FuchsYou could try increasing the front left and right volumes
22:44.07Fuchsthey are quite low, and only rear seems active
22:44.25BaumMitAugenOk, thanks for you help so far, "Master Front" does it
22:44.37Fuchsif that works, I suggest submitting a bug to pulseaudio with as much hardware information as you can, so they can ensure that using their volume slider controls the right channels
22:44.58Fuchsbecause pulse is what most things, including KDE, use these days. You could disable it, I highly discourage it
22:45.17BaumMitAugenYes, I did install pulse.
22:45.30BaumMitAugenWith phonon and vlc backend if that helps.
22:45.51FuchsYeah, poke them about it, chances are that the pulse master does manipulate the wrong controls on your specific sound card
22:46.02Fuchsnot a KDE issue, so not much KDE can do, but pulse people should be able to fix it
22:46.23Fuchsin the meantime you can set accepatable values in alsamixer, technically kmix could also do it, but it's a bit of a pain if you usually use pulse
22:46.25BaumMitAugenAlright, gonna ask/write them.
22:46.37Fuchsamix can be used btw to control volume, so you can bind keys to it
22:46.52Fuchs*amixer
22:47.12Fuchsalso: hilarious nickname
22:47.20BaumMitAugenThanks. :)
22:47.26Fuchsyou're ewlcome
22:47.28Fuchs*welcome, even
22:48.56BaumMitAugenOk, gonna write to pulse guys and figure this amixer business out.
22:49.10BaumMitAugenThank you very much for your help!
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22:52.52Fuchsyou're welcome :)
22:52.59Fuchsamixer is simple,
22:53.59Fuchsyou just need to call it with the same -c parameter as above, sset on the sID of whatever control you wanted (Front, or whatever it was) and then you can set a new value
22:54.05Fuchsit also allows delta, let me check how
22:54.12BaumMitAugenYeah, amixer -c 2 -q sset Master 1%+ does have quite extreme effects though. 0.o
22:54.35Fuchsno %
22:54.48Fuchsit's integers, I think
22:54.55Fuchsalso wasn't it "Master Front"?
22:55.09BaumMitAugenAh, nice
22:55.23BaumMitAugenMaster apparently works too.
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22:55.40Fuchsgood
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22:59.29BaumMitAugenNext step: Figuring out how to tell google that I don't want to start a terminal via shortcut, but execute a command. XD
23:02.00FuchsKDE can do that out of the box
23:02.13Fuchsgo to systemsettings, keyboard shortcut, create one which executes a command, just put the amixer command there
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23:10.31oneforall2kwrite amarok from terminal doesn't have the -v for verbose and I'd like more output so I can figure out why they aren't loading
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23:12.03BaumMitAugenWell, lowering the volume works, but raising it seems to cap at the GUI boundary.
23:12.56BaumMitAugenUnless really executed in the terminal, then it works. -.-
23:20.20BaumMitAugenEh. close enough for now.
23:20.28BaumMitAugenThanks again, Fuchs.
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