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00:08.42calherDoes KDE Connect work with Kindle Fire?
00:12.17romanggcalher: Android only at the moment
00:12.39romangg(and all your other computers of course)
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00:18.51calherromangg: I heard that one needs at least one handset to use KDE connect, you can't use it between 2 desktops.
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00:54.02ZiberiusHello
00:54.22Ziberiusany idea why networkmanager doesn't save passwords?
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01:47.00mefistofeleshey, I've asked this a few times already but haven't found an answer... why is that in yakuake (qt5-version) I can't use a shortcut like ctrl+| ?
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03:58.32calhera/win 3
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04:18.57stonedHello I am using debian stable and kde on it, I use mostly KDE apps but Xmonad as my WM
04:19.16stonedI am trying to find out how to configure KDE sounds for various system events
04:19.30stonedThey are too loud, and also I want to modify the sounds
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04:20.48stonedIm in systemsettings
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04:46.04earthprinceHello! I'd like to tell kwin to give focus to a certain window whenever it appears. I've set the focus stealing prevention rule for that window to Force:None, but the window still doesn't get focus in the first place. Is there a way to do this with current kwin?
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06:41.53AnthonyMalczanekanyone know how to set ktorrent ports for peer connections?
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06:43.20AnthonyMalczaneki want to seed kubuntu ISO and my ISP drops TCP connections by adding RST flags to packets
06:44.01AnthonyMalczanekhowever, KTorrent seems to use random ports for the transfers (although it uses 6881 for tracker/data communication), and I can't find a setting to fix the port issue
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10:49.11Zaistersomething weird is going on withmy digital clock panel widget. it shows an analog clock icon that's always at 3 o'clock
10:49.41Zaisterand when I click on it I get "Error loading QML file: file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.digitalclock/contents/ui/main.qml:46:34: Type CalendarView unavailable"
10:50.49leszekZaister: a placeholder as the main.qml cannot load
10:50.56Zaisterhm
10:51.00Zaisterwhat may be causing this?
10:52.47leszekZaister: I think you are missing the qml calendarview stuff. Not sure where its packages. If I have to guess somewhere in KF5
10:53.04leszekSo if you have an older version of it that does not ship it it could explain the issue
10:53.33ZaisterI'm on gentoo, plasma 5.6.4, KF 5.22.0
10:54.15ZaisterI get all this stuff when I start plasmashell from the command line: https://paste.kde.org/poyde5x4u
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10:57.33leszeknothing relevant I can see here
10:57.41leszekdid you try readding the analog clock ?
10:57.45leszekor digital one ?
10:58.04Zaisteryes, the digital one
10:58.56Zaistersomething weird is going on with t he whole panel I think, maybe I'll try and recreate it from scratch
10:59.41Zaisterok default panel brings back the clock
10:59.42Zaisterweird
10:59.44leszekyeah ok. Hmm... somehow I think though you are missing qml files
10:59.52leszekoh ok. Very werid
10:59.57leszek*weird
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11:00.55Zaisterprobably something broken in the config stufff somewhere
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11:01.08Zaisteranyway thanks for helping
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11:03.14TomTomnot directly releated, any idea when kmail 5.2 will be available in kubuntu xenian backports? this khtml/mail issue is really annoying
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11:04.48abhishek__my startup from kde loading screen to working desktop is very slow.
11:05.03abhishek__how can I check which apps are slowing it down?
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11:53.16AciD`as soon as you get a disk full for your /home partition, all the quick links in dolphin disappear. Is there a way to get them back?
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12:03.08leszekAciD`: unfortunately not
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12:03.31AciD`leszek -> :(
12:03.37leszekat least not if you don't have a backup
12:03.52AciD`it seems odd that dolphin is that weak to error like that
12:04.07AciD`where are stored those place bookmark?
12:04.20leszekit basically contantly writes to that file or checks it. And if you change something it tries to write cannot and thats the story then
12:04.22AciD`perhaps there is an automatic backup
12:04.30leszeknope there isn't
12:04.55AciD`well, I don't want to rant, but that's a very bad way of managing those place
12:05.00leszekuser-places.xbel is the file stored in ~/.local/share
12:05.04AciD`which dev though it was ok to do that? :x
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12:05.17leszekAciD`: it wasn't me
12:05.50leszekluckily. Report it as bug if it isn't already reported. Though dolphin bookmark changed over the time. Though that bug was never adressed as it seems
12:06.28AciD`there is a user-places.xbel.bak file there too, but almost same timestamp, so no luck there
12:06.58AciD`so this is the file I should save?
12:07.23AciD`why isn't it in ~/.kde/share/apps/config/dolphin or somewhere else in the kde config dir?
12:07.30AciD`is it used by other apps perhaps?
12:07.34leszekyeah
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12:07.59leszekwait what
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12:08.53leszekyeah user-places.xbel is read by kde4libs and kf5 based applications
12:09.19leszekit isn't stored in ~/.kde anymore as plasma5 + kf5 apps now use the default standard xdg dirs like ~/.config and ~/.local/share
12:09.32AciD`this user-places also store the places that should be shown only is specific kde apps too?
12:09.53AciD`(ie. when you say that ~/torrent places should only shown in ktorrent)
12:10.00AciD`or is it stored somewhere else?
12:10.18leszekhmm... I did not know that this was possible. Not sure
12:10.24AciD`oh, did not know that. That's a big change
12:11.45AciD`on another matter
12:12.00AciD`my plasmashell process is always at 100% cpu
12:12.10AciD`is there a way to find out why?
12:12.14AciD`a log or something?
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12:12.50AciD`I always have to kquitapp plasmashell
12:12.55hateballAciD`:  ~/.xsession-errors
12:13.03AciD`and just restart it when I need to be able to change the volume :x
12:13.14leszekAciD`: very strange. Most of the time a problem maybe with one plasmoid/widget that you have running ?
12:13.33leszekdo you have any additional active ?
12:13.50AciD`well
12:13.52leszekCan you check if disabling one of it changes something. If yes then tell us which widget it is
12:13.55AciD`not much
12:14.30AciD`oh hey
12:14.32AciD`look at that
12:14.53AciD`I have 5.765.640 lines in my .xsession-error file.
12:14.55AciD`:|
12:14.59hateballxD
12:15.08leszekWOW
12:15.30leszekso something is spamming it
12:15.44AciD`I wonder if pastebin can take a 366Mio file ;)
12:16.09hateballnot so rare with buggy gpu drivers spamming it
12:16.35AciD`I use the open-source amd driver
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12:17.31AciD`I have quite a lot of this pattern : https://paste.kde.org/pco92voyv
12:18.01AciD`a pretty useful log, isn't? :)
12:18.29hateballgoogle gives https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360757
12:18.51AciD`also, do baloo really need to log stuff like "org.kde.baloo: "/home/acid/.viminfo.tmp" -> "/home/acid/.viminfo"" and "org.kde.baloo: Moved without data" ?
12:19.41AciD`ah yes hateball, I remember seeing this bug report before
12:20.04AciD`unfortunately, I don't have kiten on this computer
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12:20.18hateballwell it could be some other application displaying the same behavior
12:20.50hateballwhich makes it sound like it could be a plasma or qt bug
12:21.09AciD`it started with 16.04 iirc
12:21.16AciD`I mean, kubuntu 16.10
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12:21.40hateball16.10 is in development so bugs are to be expected
12:23.54AciD`my bad
12:24.03AciD`I _really_ meant kubuntu 16.04
12:24.04AciD`:x
12:24.25AciD`I got to go sleep
12:24.30AciD`gn
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12:25.47hateballAciD`: well, you could try the backports
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12:25.57hateballAciD`: as 16.04 stock is... not super
12:26.09AciD`are the backports stable?
12:26.24hateballmore so than base release I'd say
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12:26.38hateballI've upgraded all my machines anyhows
12:26.40AciD`hm
12:27.09AciD`with this? : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
12:27.39hateballAciD`: yea
12:28.21AciD`crosses his fingers to be able to suspend his computer again
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12:28.25AciD`:(
12:28.56hateballwell, suspend probably has more to do with your kernel
12:28.58AciD`I must say 15.10 and 16.04 has been very big disappointments
12:29.04hateballor what seems to be the issue with suspend?
12:29.40AciD`well, I hit the usual key combination and the computer goes to sleep (it's a desktop computer)
12:29.50AciD`then 2 seconds after, it wakes up
12:30.08AciD`then I cannot access my kde session for X minutes, I have a black screen
12:30.21AciD`I never tried to time how much is X
12:30.43AciD`but in the morning when I power back on the screen, I get the usual screenlocker greeter
12:30.50AciD`weird, and annoying
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12:32.12BluesKajHey folks
12:32.33AciD`ok, installed
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12:32.55AciD`lets reboot just to see if plasmashell is behaving this time :)
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12:35.34AciD`ok, the startup is _far_ more quicker :o
12:35.37AciD`it's even impressive
12:35.53AciD`nice
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12:44.30AciD`ok, 10% plasmashell now, which is still high, but far better
12:44.36AciD`I'll keep a close look at it
12:45.20AciD`thank you hateball
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12:57.53manjaro-kde5-hi, how can I hack the taskbar color  in plasma 5?
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13:01.23hateballAciD`: :)
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13:02.42manjaro-kde5-for example make the a red taskbar!
13:03.57hateballmanjaro-kde5-: edit your theme
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13:04.27manjaro-kde5-how?
13:04.27Azelphurrdieter_work: Hi, following up on my issue yesterday about krunner/plasma-desktop crashing, I actually get a crash notification in the bottom right. I'm not sure if that's handled by drkonqi? Interestingly it has a "Restart application" button, but it's greyed out.
13:06.23rdieter_workAzelphur: that is drkonqi I believe, depends, which app crashed?
13:06.34Azelphurkrunner
13:07.04rdieter_workok, then I'm pretty sure it is (drkonqi).  odd that restart isn't available though
13:07.41rdieter_work(maybe only certain crashes are recoverable), mind sharing the backtrace so we can see why it's crashing/
13:07.50rdieter_workor... ideally, you let drkonqi file a bug for you
13:08.39Azelphurfiling a bug now :)
13:08.56manjaro-kde5-how can I hack the taskbar color  in plasma 5?
13:09.26Azelphurrdieter_work: I hit the file a bug button, it didn't give me a link or anything, not sure if it filed or not?
13:10.41rdieter_workit should do more, like ask for bugs.kde.org username/password, checking for duplicates, etc...
13:10.46hateballmanjaro-kde5-: https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma4/Theme
13:10.54hateballerr, wrong, that's for plasma5
13:10.58hateball4. come on keyboard
13:11.07rdieter_workpossibly prompt to install -debuginfo pkgs for a better backtrace, ask you what you were doing when it crashed, etc..
13:11.39rdieter_workAzelphur: and when it's done filing a bug, then it'll give you a link to it
13:12.00Azelphurnope it did none of that, it just asked me a few questions about the bug and then closed
13:12.09rdieter_workso, I'd settle for your posting the contents of drkonqi's backtrace tab for perusal
13:12.12Azelphurshame, it had the backtrack too, I should have copy asted it
13:12.17Azelphurbacktrace*
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13:12.39AzelphurNext time krunner crashes I'll get it for you, it crashes fairly regularly although I haven't been able to figure out what causes the crash yet
13:12.47rdieter_workif you've used drkonqi before, it may have saved previous login credentials
13:13.01AzelphurI haven't used it before
13:13.13rdieter_workI don't recall your mentioning it, but what distro and kde/plasma version are you using?
13:14.04AzelphurArch Linux, 5.6.4
13:14.32rdieter_workand have you contacted your distro support channels? (if not, I'd recommend you do)
13:15.02rdieter_workthey can give you more specific help than here
13:15.50AzelphurI see, no I haven't, but then I'd doubt ArchLinux would be able to debug krunner crashing
13:17.44rdieter_workyou're seeing crashes all over, this likely goes beyond some (high-level) kde issue
13:18.12rdieter_workthey could possibly help you get a good backtrace for the crashes at least
13:18.35rdieter_workdoesn't remember if arch is one of those distros that makes doing that hard or not
13:18.42Azelphurplasma-desktop and krunner crash, not much else does, I do know how to get a proper backtrace and am reasonable happy with gdb usage
13:19.30Azelphurrunning krunner in gdb for now, next time it crashes I'll catch it for you :)
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13:19.39rdieter_workand for posterity, call it plasmashell if your using 5.x, plasma-desktop is the name of the plasma4 binary (so no one gets confused)
13:19.53Azelphurah, yes I keep doing that, force of habit :)
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13:56.03cottoncrownbrb
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18:09.27nowbootedhello, does anybody know how i can get dolphin to open txt files using vim in my terminal emulator?
18:09.51nowbootedon Gentoo testing, kde 5.6
18:11.08rattkingnowbooted: have you tried changing the file associations?
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18:13.01rattkingI have kde set to open .txt files in vim but using konsole
18:13.03nowbootedwow, just got it working using 'urxvt -e %f'. swore i tried it earlier... thanks!
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18:17.11nowbootedhow can i turn off transparency?
18:18.19rdieter_worknowbooted: can you be more specific?
18:18.21nowbootedfor the menu that pops up in the bottom left, and for the bottom bar
18:18.58nowbootedfor example, i want my bottom bar/panel to be fully opaque
18:19.58rdieter_worknowbooted: some options:  1 use a different plasma theme, 2 disabling desktop effects (compositing) will effectively disable alpha channel support too
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18:20.43rdieter_work(for 2, a less drastic step is to use xrender based effects instead of opengl)
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18:22.05nowbootedi see...
18:22.54nowbootedanother thing is when i snap a window to my top edge to maximize, it takes up the borders fine. but if i snap to the right edge (for right half resize), there is some padding on the right edge
18:23.02nowbootedi am wondering if this is a bug?
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18:24.31jsgrantHow much a problem would it be to try to keep my ~/.local/kde/share/configs directory in-sync between two computers?
18:24.36nowbootedactually, it seems to work fine for my kde apps, lowriter, and firefox. but uxvt is affected
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18:52.20AciD`unfortunately, switching to kubuntu backports still did not solve the plasmashell craziness : http://imgur.com/PnZf2Fb
18:52.35AciD`anybody got an idea how to debug/solve that?
18:53.40ZrenAciD`, Which applets are you using?
18:53.42Zrendefault?
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19:08.04AciD`Zren -> nop, I do have some other ones, but not much (if you can see) : http://imgur.com/MUmexuw
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19:09.10AciD`is there a way to see which widget could be responsible?
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20:17.07Calinouis there a way to make Plasma start up faster? (using Arch Linux)
20:17.16Calinouthe bottom panel takes 3-4 seconds to appear after logging in
20:17.30Calinou(i7-4720HQ, 8 GB DDR3, Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB, so the PC is not slow)
20:17.55CalinouPC is fully usable while the panel is not visible, though
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20:19.50axc1298the panel loads immediately for me. plasma 4 on a HDD. maybe some default arch KDE config causing the issue?
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20:26.29Fuchsmy guess would be one of the plasmoids in the panel taking too long
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20:53.02axc1298that makes sense
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