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00:43.40jcjordyn120how many of you work for redhat?
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01:41.28krzxrdieter_work: it was a kde question as i was asking how to start kde i was just specifying that i was using centos
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05:20.56ryderegMuch like Theodore Kaufman, Louis Nizer, and Henry Morgenthau (all jews), Earnest Hooton (another jew) wanted to see the German people destroyed, but he sought to do it with mass non-White male immigration. Ursula Haverbeck, who is now a political prisoner for exposing Holocaust lies, lays out the genocidal plans against the German people in her last public address.
05:22.22rydereghttp://www.renegadetribune.com/ursula-haverbeck-hooton-plan-migrant-crisis/
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06:04.02twbIs this an appropriate place to ask stupid questions about KDE4?
06:05.13twbI run an airgapped prison where inmates use XFCE desktops, with some KDE Edu apps thrown in.  I want to remove drkonqi because, while harmless, the ops staff get nervous when the see a dialog offering to send messages outside the prison.
06:06.14twbI want to deliberately crash a KDE app, to see what happens after I rm drkonqi.  Is there an easy way to induce a crash?
06:19.02aniketh_I wanted to start devoloping  and contributing for KDE. Now my system runs in ubuntu 16.04. Which Distro of KDE should I use to start contributing ?
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06:35.57pickfireLeatherface: http://surf.suckless.org/
06:36.11pickfireIt uses webkit2
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07:02.50TomTomgood morning. any idea why kmail does not index the content of mails? i can only find the subject. using kmail 5.1.3. the indexer "seems" to be running : /usr/bin/akonadi_baloo_indexer --identifier akonadi_baloo_indexer
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07:05.58ahjolinna‎ XDC2016 - Livestream - Day 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PflCyiULO4
07:06.00ahjolinnaif someone is intrested^
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07:21.50twbTomTom: is the email stored locally, over over IMAP?
07:22.00twbTomTom: if IMAP, which IMAP server (e.g. dovecot, zimbra, gmail)
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07:30.09trooper900http://bbs.dailystormer.com/uploads/default/original/3X/5/2/52b3e68c71caec1f569ae52007f92e9402e0e06d.jpeg
07:31.07trooper900Representing Radio Stormer, www.dailystormer.com
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07:51.55TomTomtwb: of course locally stored in maildir
07:52.29twbTomTom: that's the only question I know to ask :-)
07:52.55TomTomsolutions count!
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08:08.30einar77_workTomTom: do folder properties report the number of messages indexed?
08:09.28TomTomeinar77_work: no. a random folder shows "indexing active, nothing indexed"
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08:10.08twbwe're talking about full-text search, right?
08:10.36twblucene / xapian style
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08:10.50einar77_workxapian to be precise
08:10.53einar77_workthat's what it uses
08:13.05TomTomeinar77_work: i've found quite a lot of ppl who have similar issues. some with old nepomuk backend but others seem to be quite new. some suggetions are remove the indexer and re-add it in akonadi
08:13.36einar77_workTomTom: newer KMail versions from APplications 16.08 will be able to force a reindex from the UI
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08:15.43TomTomwhen does kubuntu deliver these? i am still in need for kmail 5.2.x because inline images are not shown due to a bug in prior versions.
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08:34.35pierre^hi,
08:34.39pierre^can you print your email with the latest version of kmail?
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08:35.24pierre^in application 16.08
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08:40.16twbis /usr/bin/knotify4 a notification client, or server?
08:40.47twbI'm already running xfce4-notifyd as the server, but for some reason khangman is all like "oh I'll just start up the whole KDE environment"
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08:41.14twbhttp://sprunge.us/IQEa
08:41.41shtrbis there a way I can setup click and select on a touchpad ?
08:42.38shtrbI was able to do tap and drag for the window but I need something like when you click on the left mouse button and drag to select
08:45.14leszekshtrb: not sure what you mean. There is a systemsetting for input devices including touchpads. Thats the only thing you can configure graphically. Depending on your touchpad and driver in use you can use synclient on the terminal to configure the hell out of it
08:46.18shtrbI know I can configure the hall out it , my problem is choosing the right level in hell to use
08:46.44shtrbwhen you use a mouse and click on the left button and move the mouse to select an area
08:47.21shtrblike select files in dolphin
08:47.28shtrb*many files
08:49.18shtrboh I think I find I need to do double tap and move the finger
08:49.21leszekshtrb: with a touchpad only ? (a.k.a. clickpad) Thats impossible I fear. Those touchpads are not meant for such usage
08:49.31shtrbyes
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08:49.49shtrbI had the two / three finger scroll for example
08:50.16shtrband I was able to find 85% feature I just wish to have an option do it with two fingers for example
08:50.22leszekthere is only a way to detect touch and select to drag something. And I think there should be a slider for it
08:51.02leszekshtrb: clickpads in general are shit in my opinion. Its a hell for normal usage
08:51.28shtrbI was using my laptop for almost 10 years for general use
08:51.30leszekI explicetly bought old thinkpads to avoid those clickpads in newer thinkpads
08:51.48shtrbmy left button on the touchpad died :-(
08:52.16shtrband I don't see how to change middle button to behave like left button
08:52.19leszekgranted the newer model clickpads are better then the first generation though still ergonomically physical buttons still are the best and it makes no sense to save a few cents to not include them
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08:52.57aniketh_hey. I am running on ubuntu 16.04. I want to move to KDE neon 5.7 for contributing to KDE. I want to just upgrade or change my OS to neon KDE without loss of any data or the packages I have installed . Is there any way ? Can anyone help ?
08:53.07leszekshtrb: don't try it even. It does not work. Make two finger touch middle mouse click and 3 right click that works best I guess
08:53.27hateballaniketh_: there is #kde-neon
08:53.47leszekshtrb: the detection for clickpad middle click in the middle of the touchpad never ever worked reliable
08:54.30shtrb10x I guess
08:55.20aniketh_hateball: tried that. As the topic my issue is related to any OS i thought anyone could help ;)
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09:15.34twbre my last, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=94528 says "just delete knotify4"
09:16.02twb"PS: The problem with chmod -x on knotify is that you lose all kde app notifications."
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09:23.22henkie-Hi, how can I start kde/plasma (5.7.5) only on the first monitor? I want to run 'icewm' on my second one, but it says there is already a window-manager running
09:23.43hateballspawn them on different x sessions
09:24.00hateballsounds like a terrible headache tho
09:26.01henkie-hmm, there isn't any other way?  the new kde/plasma doesn't seem to like my setup, the second monitor isn't used properly  :(    I wish I could revert the upgrade from kde4
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09:33.44leszekhenkie-: there is no way to run two window managers in parallel
09:34.13leszekhenkie-: which version of Qt do you have ? Multimonitor support should work with Qt 5.7 properly
09:34.37leszekQt 5.6.1 not so good and everything below that it is basically broken
09:36.06henkie-I have qt 5.6.1, but I have a exotic setup, so I am used to having it not work properly, my second screen is on :0.1 (instead of a larger desktop). But I used to be able to just start icewm on the second screen as a work-around.
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09:39.33henkie-But I will give it another shot when QT 5.7.0 is available for me, thank you for that information
09:40.13leszekyou are used to be able to start icewm on the second screen ? How ? I mean yeah replacing kwin on the other thats possible but how otherwise ?
09:41.04henkie-DISPLAY=:0.1 icewm                 normally does the trick
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09:47.39leszekthats a different xserver then it is running on
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11:54.22Arthur_Dhi, I upgraded a little while ago from Kubuntu 14.04 to 16.04 (which has Plasma 5.5.5), and after the upgrade my media wheel for turning volume up/down does no longer affect alsamixer volume. I would like some help to fix this, thanks
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12:15.21BluesKajHiyas all
12:15.43hateballArthur_D: rightclick the volume applet and make sure the channel you want to change is set as primary
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12:28.35Arthur_Dhateball: oh, I forgot to mention I'm using JACK as my primary sound server, with PulseAudio and ALSA as plugins
12:30.40Arthur_Dso I don't really get any fine-grained control in the usual sound settings
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12:41.46BluesKajArthur_D, complex audio requirements?
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12:51.54Arthur_DBluesKaj: kinda yeah, also generally I find using JACK to be good enough for desktop use as well
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13:34.28MayzieHow can I clear Kontact's config, so that when I start it up I'll get the First Start screen again?
13:34.43MayzieI tried deleting stuff from ~/.config, and ~/.kontact, but it won't reappear
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13:49.36ywecur[m]What's the keyboard shortcut to move a program to a different workspace?
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14:14.42rdieterMayzie: what version of kontact are you using?
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14:15.47rdieterMayzie: though, as far as I know, there is no "first start" screen for kontact
14:16.26rdieterthere are are first start screens for some of the individual apps that kontact aggregates, like kmail
14:17.01Mayzie16.08
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14:17.08MayzieYeah there is. It was for setting up an account.
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14:38.34MayzieIn KMail, how can I make it so the message list is displayed on the left, and the email contents is displayed on the right, like Outlook?
14:39.27FuchsMayzie: in the kmail settings, third from top (look and feel or something I guess, it is not English here)
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14:39.43MayzieYeah I'm in "Appearance", and the "Layout" tab
14:39.45MayzieThere's nothing
14:39.47FuchsMayzie: you can choose the long folder list on top and to display the preview below the message list at the bottom
14:39.49Fuchsthere is
14:39.51Fuchsat the bottom
14:40.04MayzieOhh
14:40.06MayzieOkay
14:40.06Fuchsthe last radio button, choose the middle entry
14:40.18MayzieGot it, thanks :-)
14:40.22Fuchsyou're welcome :)
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14:42.15krzxwhen kde desktop loads i get endless automatic bug reporting tool error notifications
14:42.20krzxand there is no taskbar
14:42.23krzx???
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15:48.43Hi-AngelWhere is the previous session stored?
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15:49.33Hi-AngelI've a problem that KDE for some reason starts every time FCITX even though I exiting it every time I'm shutting down the system
15:49.44Hi-AngelSo I guess it have to be removed manually from the session file
15:50.25brendano1rI'm not sure exactly where it is stored.  But I can say double check your autostart directory too, if you haven't already
15:50.54rattkingI am not 100% sure on that but a quick look around suggests ~/.config/session
15:51.27rattkingat least on kubuntu
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15:52.49Hi-AngelNo, didn't seem so. I mean, there're files, but I see nor firefox neither pidgin there, though they're starting
15:53.09rattkinghow about kwin?
15:53.31Hi-AngelThere is a file with "kwin" prefix
15:53.39brendano1rAlso check the Autostart screen in the System Settings "kcmshell4 autostart"
15:53.55Hi-AngelAh, indeed, I see pidgin in the file with "kwin" prefix!
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15:54.17Hi-AngelThank you, that seems it
15:54.58rattkingI seem to remember a setting in the GUI where you can tell it not to use the old session.. but I dont remember where that was
15:55.02Hi-AngelNo, autostart is empty
15:55.15Hi-AngelYeah, I know that settings
15:55.18Hi-Angel*setting
15:55.36Hi-AngelBut I'm fine with the old session, I just want to remove one app from there
15:55.37brendano1rrattking: Session Management
15:55.57amsharmais there a graphical interface to editing the right click context menu in dolphin?
15:56.03amsharmasomething like this: http://www.giuspen.com/nautilus-pyextensions/
15:56.12amsharma(it is for nautilus)
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16:00.20the_gamermy plasma freezes every fourth or fifth time i change my tty and back. what can that be? never had this with nvidia but the new nvidia driver kills a lot more so i switched to nouveau. this has to be doable with nouveau, too, right?
16:00.25brendano1ramsharma: Service menus are what you probably want.  They are simply defined as .desktop files.  one second
16:00.42brendano1ramsharma: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/build-linux-productivity-machine-kde-service-menus/ is one such tutorial
16:01.39amsharmabrendan_orr: this will work on plasma 5 too, right? i'm on kubuntu 16.04
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16:02.33brendan_orrI think.
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16:02.59brendan_orr~/.local/share/kservices5/ServiceMenus
16:03.32brendan_orr...according to that link.  Still using kde 4.x here
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16:17.09brendan_orrI guess the_gamer tried switching to a virtual term and had to restart.  I noticed this issue too with mine.  kwin causes the whole shebang to start thrashing.  As soon as I can connect an external serial I'll check it out.  Anybody else have this problem too (especially on a nvidia card)?
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16:42.14victorhckaracele: ping
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16:42.37aracelehi victorhck
16:42.50victorhckhello!!
16:42.59victorhckChinese it's now online!
16:43.00victorhck:)
16:43.19victorhckI was playing a bit with the code to enlarge the pics
16:43.33victorhckCan you please check this "preview": https://cloud.openmailbox.org/index.php/s/FCbhPGb6cdMQPvu
16:43.51victorhckit's a small gif file with a preview...
16:44.15victorhckwhen you click on pic this enlarge in a new window
16:44.27victorhcka new click close this popup window
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16:47.53aracelevictorhck: wow! :O
16:48.16araceleawesome!
16:48.26victorhckno, no...
16:49.03victorhck:P
16:49.25aracelewill you send a patch? :)
16:50.01victorhckhow can I do that??
16:50.16victorhckIt's necessary to resize the pics
16:50.25victorhckfor thumnail
16:50.36victorhck* thumbnails
16:50.52victorhckI have clone the repo
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16:51.22victorhckI can make some changes and use my gitlab repo
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16:53.55araceleyou can do that through the phabricator: https://phabricator.kde.org/
16:54.57victorhckmmmm I never used that before....
16:55.08araceleand then I can review and accept the patch and then do the "git push".
16:57.10araceleor you can do the way you want :)
16:57.17victorhckhehehe
16:57.45victorhckthe best way for you, the better...
16:57.45aracelethe way that is most convenient for you :)
16:57.50victorhckhehehe
16:58.09victorhckboth thinking the same!
16:58.12victorhck:)
16:59.40araceleyou choose! :)
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17:18.44victorhckit's not necessary to resize all the pictures!!
17:18.47victorhckgreat!!
17:18.49victorhck:)
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17:41.21kriskoHi there, I have one issue with current version of kde 4.14.24 (on archlinux). I use 2 monitors - laptop and full HD monitor. I have one pannel placed on full hd monitor, but after restart the pannel always switches to laptop display. any advice?
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17:42.08genstorm4.14.24? that can only be kdelibs4, which is irrelevant for current Plasma-5
17:42.34genstormkrisko: known issue which Plasma-5.8 is supposed to solve
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17:45.42kriskook thanks (:
17:46.14genstormkrisko: you can check if arch provides the 5.8 beta already
17:46.21genstormit's in pretty good shape overall
17:47.21genstormand you having a multiscreen setup would be a valuable tester to get as many fixes into the release as possible
17:47.52kriskonope, there isn't 5.8 in testing yet
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17:52.25kriskooh, sorry I was wrong, there is 5.7.95 in kde-testing repo
17:52.33genstormthat's it
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17:52.59kriskoI'll give a try (:
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18:10.23genstormkrisko: I haven't had a single crash in 2,5 weeks building directly from git
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18:15.45kriskojust tested it on virtualbox, looks cool and usable...
18:16.11kriskolets try it on my laptop... o_O
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18:29.47kriskosooo, sddm login manager is great fits both screens. @ first login my screens switched completely - panel and wallpaper. I've changed them back. after next reboot just pannel has switched. I've tried to lock widgets and after last reboot it's ok. but I've have to do couple of reboots to be sure...
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18:38.38kriskoafter couple more reboots, still looks fine (:
18:39.12genstormwell, that's good news
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19:55.20Melkor333Has the comic strip widget already been ported to kde5/kf5?
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20:48.20sfranzenMelkor333: yes it has
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20:51.56Melkor333sfranzen: thanks! I've just filed a bug because plasma crashes when I try to add it.. Seems to be something general, 2 other guys had the same issue: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=369172
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21:53.01feshi guys. i have managed to change most text colors to #000000 but the text in the menu are still grey. Do you know what option under System Settings -> Color -> Colors I should change?
21:53.16fesi have plasma 5.6.5
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23:08.14CharlesBAX“He who is not angry when there is just cause for anger is immoral. Why? Because anger looks to the good of justice. And if you can live amid injustice without anger, you are immoral as well as unjust.” – St. Thomas Aquinas
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23:43.17aeryndunhamI just noticed that I have two Konsole windows open, and in the icons-only taskbar I now have a giant green plus sign over the Konsole icon - is there a way to disable this?
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